You mentioned the "era of hating Sonic's friends" I remember that well. A big thing with Sonic 4 was that it was *just* Sonic & Eggman. I always wondered why there was such a huge backlash to the supporting Sonic cast. I'm glad people have come back around to them!
Yeah, I think it started with "Sonic Heroes" but I honestly loved all the characters and different personalities they had in it. Plus it brought back the Chaotic, and I'm a sucker for bringing back obscure characters. (You can imagine how Happy I was when Fang came back, though shame like Mighty and Ray he's not allowed in the "modern" canon...)
@@TheDoughboy1917 that era to me is also synonymous with the “self-hating” Sonic fan. This was around the post 06 era where the games were really struggling. Chris Chan’s discovery along with a greater visibility to the weirder sides to the fandom contributed heavily to the negative discourse surrounding Sonic at this time. This is also the era of the infamous IGN clip “Sonic was never good”. The fans that were left were basically having to shill the classic games exclusively to outsiders and try to make it sound as if Adventure and Heroes ruined the franchise with the additions to the cast. Never mind that Mario had been adding characters for years and they have less personality than Sonic’s extended cast. It was a hard time being an open Sonic fan from 2006-2010 without being called a furry automatically as a slur along with other things I won’t mention here.
It's weird, cause Mario also has "Stupid Friends", Every franchise of all mediums has side characters or "Stupid Friends". Never really understood why Sonic gets criticized for something so basic, Like in most cases, having some side characters is to be expected. Cause if you don't, then the world just kinda feels very Empty.
You hit the nail on the head in the first 30 seconds! What defines Big's personality isn't stupidity, it's _simplicity._ He isn't a brave hero standing up against evil, an anti-hero who is indifferent to the world, or anything in-between. He's just a big fuzzy guy who wants to spend his day going on a pleasant and peaceful fishing trip with his tiny best buddy. He has a sweet but simple goal in life, and that's why he's one of my top favorites! :^D
@@CountDVB Ian thinks Mighty and Bark are stronger than Knuckles? I could see them being at least as strong but he's been stated several times to be as strong as Sonic is fast, and Sonic is the fastest thing alive so like
@@Mysticgamer Which is definitely weird in Archie's case considering the Mobians are supposed to have 3 toed paws yet big is still shown with blobfeet, maybe he's just really furry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Archie and prime in my opinion are definitely the best versions of big he’s actually treated like a character and not just meme and his personality is kept intact He’s also just adorable in prime
Archie Big is basically someone who’s rather insightful, eccentric and calm that happens to be a powerhouse whom is only matched by Knuckles and Mighty. Shame he never fought Scourge or even Doctor Fintivus because there’s potential between him versus either a manipulative sociopath with a bad attitude or a cold-hearted genocidal scientist who makes schemes upon schemes.
This is Big. Big is nice, protects his friends, and likes the simple things in life. Be like Big. (I haven’t even read the Archie run and he is already my favorite character).
Big was one of those characters that was hated just because the fandom told you to hate him but he’s always been an awesome, kind hearted cat who just wants to vibe.
Bro I would love for him to eat a bit, that friend.They both like or them trying to start sharing and just get plenty of fucking implant.It's cool floor
Oh he'd be *the* person that pulls Surge and Kit out of their funk. Simple he may be, but Big is just the breath of fresh air the two need. No manipulative scum like Clutch and Mimic, no sermons of right and wrong from people like Sonic, just give Surge and Kit someone that would treat them like normal people. Big's constant traveling to fish would probably be an enjoyable experience.
Honestly, given how Ian's personal opinion is that Big is the strongest Mobian in raw power (beating out even Mighty and Bark), he might be strong enough to actually fight the TItan Metal Sonic.
I really like Big’s Big Adventure in IDW comics, where he’s just a himbo that really cares about his friend Froggy, and wants to make sure that Froggy is safe. It’s so horrifying and sad watching Big getting infected while cuddling Zombot Froggy. All this in a SIDE-COMIC.
Well I think they should do is since big likes to fish, that he should be an allegory for Sonic to learn patience, although Sonic is a Great hero he likes to jump into situations without thinking or waiting, so having Sonic hanging out with big Moore would teach him to just SLOW DOWN.... Also because Big likes to sit down and see the sights, I imagine although maybe not book smart I do think he would be WISE, in making moral decisions. Something that a lot of Sonic characters could learn.
The wisest chad who knows how to take things simple with a truly enviable position who just wants to chill with his frog friend and help out if his strength is needed.
That assessment of Big as being like Totoro is actually perfect! And personally, the way I've always seen it is that he's kind of the "Sloth" to Cream's "Chunk". (that ref being for all of my fellow 80s kids) And that he's sort of an adopted member of Cream's family. =)
i feel like the possible funniest implication of big's answers from the post-super genesis wave is that it's entirely possible that by some miracle he _does_ remember, but just does not care in the slightest about the universal reboot because there's no immediate problem for him to deal with
Can we all just appreciate how well drawn Ron Lim's art is in the Archie Sonic Super Special? (Starts at 2:58, ends at 4:13) It actually looks good here!
In some ways, as one of my favourite characters from Sonic, I guess it's kind of a good thing Big was so heavily memed on in hindsight considering where we are now. It managed to keep him relevant to a degree that SEGA or Sonic Team thought he was good enough to return for spin-offs like Sonic Rumble and even the mainline entries as seen with Frontiers. Heck he even was heavily rumoured to appear in the second Sonic Movie as a cameo in a cut scene that was similar to bar one in the final movie. And seeing the later Archie issues start to treat like a character and less of a joke was really sweet. Hopefully IDW will eventually do the same for him. I think Big's "biggest" role in IDW so far was during the Zombot saga if I'm not mistaken which is certainly a while ago now. And even then that was just a small side story.
Oh my god, a video thats just perfect at capturing one of my favorite characters, thank you Everyone always hates on Big and call him stupid or something, it makes being a fan of him hard cause you got people hating on him for being so simple, or hating on him for being on amy and creams team and assume hes creepy or someshit. Big has always been a character close to me, and I think it's cause I can see similar autistic traits that I have, in Big. They'd probably never confirm anything, but having be so oblivious to tone and straight forward with his goals and wants hits close to home for me. I love Big the Cat, and I hope he keeps getting used more
The Wolf Pack and the Felidae would still be fighting, and Sally wouldn't be alive if Big didn't go in the fortress. This is why I like the Archie Sonic comics, they will sometimes focus on other characters, not just Sonic.
Big arguably has the best theme from adventure, such a bob to mellow out to, but how can you not love this big lug. Good hearted, strong, and simple to a fault. In a way, he’s kinda like Kirby.
i love big as a "civilian hero" and i think idw could include that without even having him be in focus, just put him in the background while sonic and the gang are fighting whatever eldritch horror or big death robot eggmans got this time you see big shielding some kids from the rubble, and in the aftermath while the main gang are doing exposition you see him trudging along doing clean up, hes not a fighter but he still saves people
I guess. Sonic characters are all just Dragon Ball characters. Tails is Krillin, Knuckles is Piccolo, Shadow is Vegeta, Silver is Trunks and there's probably more that I don't know about since I've never really watched Dragonball.
@@windscar15 I guess, I'm not familiar with Dragonball. I probably misspelled all the names. Isn't Trunks Vegeta's son btw? Imo that would confirm Shadow to be Silver's ancestor.
No, because Big gets shit done even if things aren't dire but Yajirobe only contributes if things are really bad. They are also very similar in that they are very simple people. Yajirobe likes to eat and be lazy and Big likes to fish
Even though he probably was (literally and figuratively) thrown to the Wolves to be an expendable by whoever leads the Cat Country, I’ll consider my personal alternative that Big was sent in because he was one of the best diplomatic negotiators of Cat Country I mean his direct way of speaking implicates the staunch finality of whatever he demands or an immediate answer to whatever he asks, he’ll stand ten toes down on whatever orders he’s given against all parties, not to mention as an experienced fisherman(cat) he’s probably got an ocean’s worth of patience to deal with whomever he’s talking back and forth with as he explains and counteroffers the other party’s demands... and now looking at my list of reaching, I probably gaslit myself into legitimately thinking Big might actually a decent diplomatic negotiator
I need to read Archie (I just keep pushing it off alot lol) but this why everyone should love big. He just a chill guy who loves fishing and loves helping his friends. What else can you ask for.
Rosy is Not Only The Rascal in Sonic Archie But Rosy Also Happens To Be The Queen Of Corona Just Like In The Song Called Me And Julio Down By The Schoolyard
People don’t like Big because he came before all the other characters people don’t like. He’s the original target of unlike-atude. Fuck those people. The games had almost zero explicit plot before Adventure. It and its character driven story/plot did more to expand the world of Sonic than the so-called classic games. Also his fishing mini games rule. Totally unexpected but cool addition to an awesome game. Just gotta learn how to play 'em properly
You mentioned the "era of hating Sonic's friends" I remember that well. A big thing with Sonic 4 was that it was *just* Sonic & Eggman. I always wondered why there was such a huge backlash to the supporting Sonic cast. I'm glad people have come back around to them!
Yeah, I think it started with "Sonic Heroes" but I honestly loved all the characters and different personalities they had in it. Plus it brought back the Chaotic, and I'm a sucker for bringing back obscure characters. (You can imagine how Happy I was when Fang came back, though shame like Mighty and Ray he's not allowed in the "modern" canon...)
People who hates Sonic friends aren't real Sonic fans.
@@TheDoughboy1917 that era to me is also synonymous with the “self-hating” Sonic fan. This was around the post 06 era where the games were really struggling. Chris Chan’s discovery along with a greater visibility to the weirder sides to the fandom contributed heavily to the negative discourse surrounding Sonic at this time. This is also the era of the infamous IGN clip “Sonic was never good”. The fans that were left were basically having to shill the classic games exclusively to outsiders and try to make it sound as if Adventure and Heroes ruined the franchise with the additions to the cast.
Never mind that Mario had been adding characters for years and they have less personality than Sonic’s extended cast. It was a hard time being an open Sonic fan from 2006-2010 without being called a furry automatically as a slur along with other things I won’t mention here.
It's weird, cause Mario also has "Stupid Friends", Every franchise of all mediums has side characters or "Stupid Friends".
Never really understood why Sonic gets criticized for something so basic, Like in most cases, having some side characters is to be expected.
Cause if you don't, then the world just kinda feels very Empty.
@@Fatih_M177 it was just another instance of “oh, but when I do it it’s a problem!”
You hit the nail on the head in the first 30 seconds! What defines Big's personality isn't stupidity, it's _simplicity._ He isn't a brave hero standing up against evil, an anti-hero who is indifferent to the world, or anything in-between. He's just a big fuzzy guy who wants to spend his day going on a pleasant and peaceful fishing trip with his tiny best buddy. He has a sweet but simple goal in life, and that's why he's one of my top favorites! :^D
He's got life figured out.
big in archie:
*he will fuck your shit up if he feels like it despite his dopey appearance*
like at 6:59
Pretty much. He's even more or less canonicaly the most physical powerful character, beating out Mighty and Bark the Polar Bear.
@@CountDVB id say second only to Knuckles
@@barozukos7791 I’m going by what Ian Flynn noted about Mighty
@@CountDVB Ian thinks Mighty and Bark are stronger than Knuckles? I could see them being at least as strong but he's been stated several times to be as strong as Sonic is fast, and Sonic is the fastest thing alive so like
@@barozukos7791 I think the info was from the
Sonic the Hedgehog: The Complete Sonic Comic Encyclopedia
Fun fact: He isn't wearing socks in sandals, those are his actual feet.
Yeah, sonic characters don't have toes for some unfathomable reason.
@@Mysticgamer
Which is definitely weird in Archie's case considering the Mobians are supposed to have 3 toed paws yet big is still shown with blobfeet, maybe he's just really furry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@allstardawn6062 I know, but the weird no toes really only applies to the video game characters. Like the white gloves and 5 fingers.
@@allstardawn6062he is built different
10:48
"its not nice to attack my friends!"
"Hyup!"
*blows up silver sonic*
*doesnt explain*
Savage
I do think silver gets blown up by some cannon thingy, but just chucking the mech up is already quite savage
Archie and prime in my opinion are definitely the best versions of big he’s actually treated like a character and not just meme and his personality is kept intact
He’s also just adorable in prime
Archie Big is basically someone who’s rather insightful, eccentric and calm that happens to be a powerhouse whom is only matched by Knuckles and Mighty. Shame he never fought Scourge or even Doctor Fintivus because there’s potential between him versus either a manipulative sociopath with a bad attitude or a cold-hearted genocidal scientist who makes schemes upon schemes.
This is Big. Big is nice, protects his friends, and likes the simple things in life. Be like Big. (I haven’t even read the Archie run and he is already my favorite character).
Big’s a great guy. I love him. I do love the fandom joke about him being a god because of his habit appearing out of nowhere, and his great strength.
Would that make Froggy his divine messenger/guide?
@@2bdaqueen268maybe
@@2bdaqueen268It’s his friend.
Lol
"But when the world needed him most..."
Big was one of those characters that was hated just because the fandom told you to hate him but he’s always been an awesome, kind hearted cat who just wants to vibe.
Right!? He's just a chill cat.
Hopefully Big will get some time to shine in IDW soon enough
Honestly, the one interaction I NEED to see is Big with Surge & Kit
yes just yes
Bro I would love for him to eat a bit, that friend.They both like or them trying to start sharing and just get plenty of fucking implant.It's cool floor
Oh he'd be *the* person that pulls Surge and Kit out of their funk. Simple he may be, but Big is just the breath of fresh air the two need. No manipulative scum like Clutch and Mimic, no sermons of right and wrong from people like Sonic, just give Surge and Kit someone that would treat them like normal people. Big's constant traveling to fish would probably be an enjoyable experience.
@@richardquinata76 actually yeah totally!
Honestly, given how Ian's personal opinion is that Big is the strongest Mobian in raw power (beating out even Mighty and Bark), he might be strong enough to actually fight the TItan Metal Sonic.
Oh most likely.
I really like Big’s Big Adventure in IDW comics, where he’s just a himbo that really cares about his friend Froggy, and wants to make sure that Froggy is safe. It’s so horrifying and sad watching Big getting infected while cuddling Zombot Froggy.
All this in a SIDE-COMIC.
Big the cat solves a multi species war
Well I think they should do is since big likes to fish, that he should be an allegory for Sonic to learn patience, although Sonic is a Great hero he likes to jump into situations without thinking or waiting, so having Sonic hanging out with big Moore would teach him to just SLOW DOWN.... Also because Big likes to sit down and see the sights, I imagine although maybe not book smart I do think he would be WISE, in making moral decisions. Something that a lot of Sonic characters could learn.
The wisest chad who knows how to take things simple with a truly enviable position who just wants to chill with his frog friend and help out if his strength is needed.
Big is such a chill dude. I can't believe how so many people were gaslighted by the internet into hating him.
That assessment of Big as being like Totoro is actually perfect! And personally, the way I've always seen it is that he's kind of the "Sloth" to Cream's "Chunk". (that ref being for all of my fellow 80s kids) And that he's sort of an adopted member of Cream's family. =)
Ah yes, Big the Cat.
Glad to see somebody else adknowlaging the best character in the entire series, and especially the Archie comics.
Big the cat is by far one of my favorite sonic characters and the Archie comics really handled my boy
About damn time people give big the love he deserves 😤
Archie big is the type of character to get a short film like the other side characters that becomes loved by many
I love how it's all but outright stated that Big is an absolute unit of muscle that just wants to relax and fish
i feel like the possible funniest implication of big's answers from the post-super genesis wave is that it's entirely possible that by some miracle he _does_ remember, but just does not care in the slightest about the universal reboot because there's no immediate problem for him to deal with
10:47 "this time stopping it with his bare hands."
Objection! He's wearing gloves!
:v
I love this BIG cat, and is so....... "Cute"?, that i imagine he sooooo fluffy (like a big pillow)
8:56 bottom left corner, that guy kinda looks like Super Mario
I was about to comment that
Can we all just appreciate how well drawn Ron Lim's art is in the Archie Sonic Super Special? (Starts at 2:58, ends at 4:13) It actually looks good here!
Big is such an adorable goofball and I love him. He deserves better.
"It's not nice to attack my friends!"
*HUP!*
*BOOM!*
I love that part. Also we get more of that in Sonic Heroes. ~
In some ways, as one of my favourite characters from Sonic, I guess it's kind of a good thing Big was so heavily memed on in hindsight considering where we are now. It managed to keep him relevant to a degree that SEGA or Sonic Team thought he was good enough to return for spin-offs like Sonic Rumble and even the mainline entries as seen with Frontiers. Heck he even was heavily rumoured to appear in the second Sonic Movie as a cameo in a cut scene that was similar to bar one in the final movie.
And seeing the later Archie issues start to treat like a character and less of a joke was really sweet. Hopefully IDW will eventually do the same for him. I think Big's "biggest" role in IDW so far was during the Zombot saga if I'm not mistaken which is certainly a while ago now. And even then that was just a small side story.
Oh my god, a video thats just perfect at capturing one of my favorite characters, thank you
Everyone always hates on Big and call him stupid or something, it makes being a fan of him hard cause you got people hating on him for being so simple, or hating on him for being on amy and creams team and assume hes creepy or someshit.
Big has always been a character close to me, and I think it's cause I can see similar autistic traits that I have, in Big.
They'd probably never confirm anything, but having be so oblivious to tone and straight forward with his goals and wants hits close to home for me.
I love Big the Cat, and I hope he keeps getting used more
The Wolf Pack and the Felidae would still be fighting, and Sally wouldn't be alive if Big didn't go in the fortress. This is why I like the Archie Sonic comics, they will sometimes focus on other characters, not just Sonic.
Big arguably has the best theme from adventure, such a bob to mellow out to, but how can you not love this big lug. Good hearted, strong, and simple to a fault. In a way, he’s kinda like Kirby.
Pause there’s a Big Squish otw? I need
i love big as a "civilian hero" and i think idw could include that without even having him be in focus, just put him in the background while sonic and the gang are fighting whatever eldritch horror or big death robot eggmans got this time you see big shielding some kids from the rubble, and in the aftermath while the main gang are doing exposition you see him trudging along doing clean up, hes not a fighter but he still saves people
As someone who readed archie i can confirm big is sigma
Would you argue that Big is the Yajirobe of Sonic?
I guess. Sonic characters are all just Dragon Ball characters. Tails is Krillin, Knuckles is Piccolo, Shadow is Vegeta, Silver is Trunks and there's probably more that I don't know about since I've never really watched Dragonball.
@@shroomer8294 by that logic, wouldn’t Amy be Bulma? Espio Tien? Vector Yamcha? (Only not lame like Yamcha)? And Charmy Choutzu?
@@windscar15 I guess, I'm not familiar with Dragonball. I probably misspelled all the names. Isn't Trunks Vegeta's son btw? Imo that would confirm Shadow to be Silver's ancestor.
No, because Big gets shit done even if things aren't dire but Yajirobe only contributes if things are really bad. They are also very similar in that they are very simple people. Yajirobe likes to eat and be lazy and Big likes to fish
No because Big actually helps Sonic and friends but doesn't run away like Yajirobe
THE PEAK1! 1! 1! 1! 1! 1! 1! 1!
Even though he probably was (literally and figuratively) thrown to the Wolves to be an expendable by whoever leads the Cat Country, I’ll consider my personal alternative that Big was sent in because he was one of the best diplomatic negotiators of Cat Country
I mean his direct way of speaking implicates the staunch finality of whatever he demands or an immediate answer to whatever he asks, he’ll stand ten toes down on whatever orders he’s given against all parties, not to mention as an experienced fisherman(cat) he’s probably got an ocean’s worth of patience to deal with whomever he’s talking back and forth with as he explains and counteroffers the other party’s demands... and now looking at my list of reaching, I probably gaslit myself into legitimately thinking Big might actually a decent diplomatic negotiator
Strongest Shadow fan.
Vs.
Weakest Big the cat enjoyer.
I love when you do voiceovers of the comic. You've definitely got me excited to get to big in my readthrough.
I need to read Archie (I just keep pushing it off alot lol) but this why everyone should love big. He just a chill guy who loves fishing and loves helping his friends. What else can you ask for.
Makes me want to look back and read many of Bigs moments in the comic. This was a nice video!!
"I don't think Ken cared much for big" So he is automatically a good character.
It's gonna be a windy and sunny day with this one
Big is a friend I want to have for life
So I guess the best way to sum up Big the Cat is, "Big abides."
"Well done video, dude-seriously, well done😁👏
Every version of big is the best
Rosy is Not Only The Rascal in Sonic Archie But Rosy Also Happens To Be The Queen Of Corona Just Like In The Song Called Me And Julio Down By The Schoolyard
Big is a kind hearted character
I love these longer content videos, I hope they stick around
Big the cat is the Patrick Star of the Sonic universe they may be slow but they got hands.
He bit like Patrick from the early season of Spongebob, dumb yet a good friend who strong
Edit: Same with Ed from Ed, Edd, N, Eddy
10:52 I like their smiles.
He just wants to fish man
Japan would go crazy with a new fishing game with tons of cameo
Think about Big verse Noctis.
I love your Big voice!!!
My names Big and I'm big!
I just see him as Sonic’s version of buu.
BIG MAN.
Big the cat is big the friend :)
I wish the genesis wave never happened
I love him he’s the BEST
Yeah the Archie Comics did to Bigs what the Clone Wars tv series did to Jar Jar
BIG IS PEAK‼️🗣🗣🗣🗣
8:48 METAL SONIC KAI!!!!
Big is very strong. 😀👍🐱
I want a Big plushy
11:58 CHIP!!!!!
Big stays winning
Wait are you the guy who did a collab with wiki zilla
People don’t like Big because he came before all the other characters people don’t like. He’s the original target of unlike-atude. Fuck those people. The games had almost zero explicit plot before Adventure. It and its character driven story/plot did more to expand the world of Sonic than the so-called classic games. Also his fishing mini games rule. Totally unexpected but cool addition to an awesome game. Just gotta learn how to play 'em properly
0:45 WHAT WHEN WAS THAT ANNOUNCED I NEED IT NOWadguyauygauysguygadsuygasdyugaYYGAYDAUD
I LOVE YOU 🖤🧡
hey
um aktually silver sonic is a MECHA sonic
In Archie he’s called silver sonic
@@Haze-wb5ot i know, i was correcting the notion that he was a metal
🐱🐱🐱🐱
I am a bold Big the Cat hater, so I'll need some Convincing 😤
Big is stronger than knuckles, convince me otherwise.