Breaking News: Ford Will Sell You a 700-HP V8 F-150 for Around $60,000, But There Is a Catch!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- ( www.allTFL.com ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our TFLstudios content, from news to videos and our podcasts! There's been a huge amount of talk surrounding the brand-new Ford F-150 Raptor R with its 5.2-liter supercharged V8, but that's no longer the only option in town. In fact, you can get a 700-horsepower super truck for far less than the Raptor R's $110,000-ish asking price...but there's a catch. Andre and Roman cover the details!
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My wife has a 2020 F-150 4X4 super crew with the 5.5' box. Before We picked it up new from Lebanon Ford in Ohio they put Roush blower on it. It currently has 64k miles on it. I recently had it tuned at Palm Beach and "corrected" HP at the wheels is 605. Rural driving. Not city, but not highway She gets about 19 MPG.
We have done nothing but change the oil every 5k and a new set of plugs at 55k.
No problems at all! Love it
Then it gets to the dealership & there's a 25k market adjustment tacked on . . .
At least 30k.
Plus $999 donuts and hotdogs fund fee
I needs a 700 hp truck for my plumbing business. Any master toilet mechanic does.
@@waterheaterservices it's the only logical option for a company truck, don't let anyone tell you otherwise
Pick the right dealership and you won’t get completely hosed
Ford and Roush have been doing this with Mustang GT's for several years, the supercharger kit installed cost about $8500 with no suspension modifications. Some are rated at 800 horsepower.
In fact they have been doing this for years with the 5.0 at the dealerships. My buddy has one bay specially assigned to supercharging 5.0s and occasionally he has to use 2 bays based on the demand he has. There’s a wait list there.
There are some that have close to 1000hp on stock block!!! With a removable belt( so you dont always have to get 3mpg)
@@toddhewett1027 - hahaha. True. If you don’t want abysmal mileage, just go with the “mild” 625 hp or so. More than you can ever use legally on the streets and still driveable.
This one cost 12k 😅
must have ben many years ago,
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8299.99
don't think you can get it installed for 200 dollars
so the price is inline if you take the wheels into the equation
As for lowering kits, this was a common practice for us with our “Sport Trucks” for a lower center of gravity and enhanced handling. Drop kits were generally dropping the rear an additional 2” over (or is that under?) the front drop.
For my 99 Chevy Suburban, I added a 4/6 drop with spindles and rear leaf flip kit, but I was eye level with Civic drivers and went back and swapped the kit to a 3/5 drop and that made a world of difference. The drop is NOT for off-roading types like Andre. 😊
Then you'll have the competitive advantage.....😂
Amazing that you have to explain the drop is not for offroad to people on a truck channel.
The squashed suspension look with frames laying in the dirt was hilarious 😅
I bet the lowering kit just makes it level, which may help handling with 700hp
Bingo.
Exactly. Roman should also know this, but here we are.
So you're saying it's not a lowering kit, it's a drop level kit.
@@Prestiged_peck rear lowering kit = drop level kit.
Yup, my 21f-150 came with 3.75" of rake from the factory.
The lightning people actually want! Way cool!
I have ten lightning pros and they are incredible
Exactly
I have a Livernois tune on my Powerboost. Made the truck drive way better and the transmission no longer does the annoying gear skipping. I would highly recommend if anyone is itching for more power.
A regular cab build like you just had on your course would be bad ass with this
I don’t need the wheels or lowering kit for the rears, painted bumper or graphics. They should just offer the engine parts.
I was about to say, I'm getting lightning vibes from this. I had a 01 SVT lightning and this feels like a worthy replacement. Nice!!
FINALLY
It's is the lightning. But fird already gave the lightning name to its electric truck so this truck got a new label. Kind of like the fr500 mustang
@@micahrobinson530 That's how I feel too, it's literally a modern day lightning. I was disappointed they named that new electric one with it's namesake. I feel like they could have gave it a little bit different name and saved Lightning for a more traditional blown V8 like this ya know?
Ditto.
It's likely the Ford Performance kit which is Whipple based. But you probably have to stay on the base Whipple tune to avoid any warranty issues
Oh yeah, You already know they'll find any little excuse they can to avoid the warranty if you modify it in the slightest. I love my Fords but their service department or a bunch of crooks. I would not modify this thing once I received it. I think it's a great idea but man I see problems amiss in the future.
*void* I meant. Damn auto correct
Yeah, the Shelby with 775 is tuned like that too. High hp yeah but if they made it rev out more it’s be much faster
@@TheMeanmarine13 declining to cover something you have pushed beyond the standards it was designed for IS NOT IN ANY WAY scammy or nefarious
@@mattbrew11 sure it's not. That doesn't mean they'll do the right thing or honor it. With sales in decline they are pushing these service techs to repair every little thing premature. I recently had one tell me my CV boot had a hole on it just to discover it didn't. 🤷♂️ Took it somewhere else to another Ford dealership and they said Hey while we got it here for a factory recall we need to replace your bulbs on your taillight. I said I usually do that myself but sure why not. When I got it back they broke one of the clips and didn't tell me. That is nefarious.
No Andrey, not everyone lives in Colorado. Not everyone has any desire at all to drive in the dirt. Some of us like our trucks sporty, not lifted. Ford should have saved the Lightning name for this. Roman, dealers in Vegas (and other shops) are at $200/hr now. It's probably about 12 hours of labor (I'm a former dealer Master Tech). Dealer's are going to sell these on the lot for their cost plus a $20k ADM. BTW, if you have any skill and basic tools, you can buy a Whipplecharger from Whipple for much less.
Don’t lift it. There’s already the Raptor R for off-road. This is the SVT Lightning from the past. Hell yeah.
Raptor R is 5.2, the engine was modified to handle 700 HP, you can find several blown up 5.0 with the whipple SC
My 5.0 roush blew up , and ford made me pay for a new motor
@@dontbetowel sorry to hear that, I have a SC Tundra (which also blow some pistons 😵), nevertheless, I love but it's time to move on, I was planning to get the F150 with the V8 and install the wipple SC, but after seeing that it's not reliable, no warranty (in my country), and will cause me a headache to install the SC, tune in, check the trans.. Etc. I'm looking at the TRX, it is more expensive ofc but you get 700 HP from factory, the engine is capable to handle that power and more, warranty for 5 years, off-road ready, beast lookong, amazing interior, and I test drove it also and I must say it's a monster. Now I'm just torn between getting the 2023 or 2024 model.
@@m.romaithi6217 midnight performance took a stock 2020 on 3 kit 20 psi boost ran 8's in 1/4 on the street not strip. Had midnight 10r80 lower kit and fuel system upgrade
@jamie rousseau
What year, mileage and factory/original tuned left alone?
2012 , 13000 kms , and factory 515 hp
Now they should’ve called this the real lightning ⚡️. 😊😊
The $60k will be the dealer markup.
Dear ford. Do this with the 7.3 on the super dutys.
Awesome! Can't beat it. Factory warranty as well. Testament to the inherent strength of these stock engines. 👍🏻💯
Beechmount Ford Performance in Cincinnati Ohio has been doing this for years with a Factory Ford warranty.
Also, Long McArthur Ford in Salina, Kansas has many custom styles.
I would argue this is actually worth $60k, unlike the base XLT the dealership sells for about the same price.
Now how about giving us a factory tune for the 3.5 under warranty.
Yup!! They need to team up with somebody like 5Star or HP.
Any 5 Star Ford dealer will
How about going with a company that offers a warranty like 5*
And for the 2.7L also
@@Pilot545Asking: 5 Star over Livernois? Livernois is literally in Ford's back yard and I believe they have the scoop on tuning Fords so they stay together. I may be wrong...
You go to a Ford dealer and buy the truck you want. After signing all your documentation you take it to the service department. Then you pay them the $12-$15,000 to install it. This is how you get around dealer markup.
Ford Performance has had these kits for a while, this just seems to be the updated kits for 21+ MY trucks that had some changes to the ECU or something.
You've been able to do this with the gt mustang for awhile. Roush or whipple superchargers. Going to be a lot of fast f150's on the road now.
My local dealer in Arizona, San Tan Ford has basically this exact same setup for sale at their lot. Price is 68k
Ok GM, now it’s your turn! You’ve locked me out of tuning the engine with Global B, at least give me a factory option.
The reason they’re offering a lowering kit for the rear is to improve cornering. There’s even other offerings to lower the front also. This will supposedly not only improve cornering, but also improve 1/4 mile times because it will improve traction and reduce wind drag
I love slammed trucks with high power. I've always wanted a slammed Raptor looking truck. I saw one in a Home Depot once, it looked sick!
Lowering it so it has more of a car/suv ride height for when you're taking those turns at 110mph
I can’t get my new truck warranted by the dealership. The thought of getting them To do this install seams far fetched. Your right they will only do it for themselves for crazy resale. I’d say screw the “ phony warranty” and install myself for way less.
Amen!
They should've just built a reg. Cab supercharged lightning. They have all the parts on the shelves to build it.
What the lighting should’ve been.
Love the transition from no don’t know the gas mileage to but boy it makes a nice whistle lol 😂
You could previously do this with Roush which used a TVS 2.6L for 650 hp 610ftlb. The 5.0 handles boost ok if not pushed too high, but as always, you put that engine at risk when you add boost when not specifically designed for it. If I recall is was about $10k for the kit and installation.
The Coyote was designed for supercharging from the initial development. The V of the engine was left empty for easy supercharger installation. The block has reinforced webbing and it has 6 bolt main caps to handle the stress.
Dude the 5.0 gen 3 in particular, can do 1000hp easy on the stock bottom end.
There's about 500 different ones on YT right now
@@Seasniffer69 I know they can handle boost, but I wouldn't go above the 12 psi most these kits provide. Its 1 thing to put 20,000 miles on the car and another thing to put 100,000 miles on a 5.0 with boost levels into the high teens low 20s.
@@TheNotimprezed psi is only relevant to what's supplying the pressure.
5psi through a straw inlet/outlet ain't the same as 5psi thru a 4 inch inlet.
@TheNotimprezed 2.6 with 650 hp doesn't sound like a reliable high mile engine either 🤔
12500 for the kit plus install so add another 2500 probably with tuning still not bad especially with a 3/36 warranty
B.S. a 2023 F150 xl 2wd (lowest trim) no options with the smallest 2.7l V6 crew cab cost $57,000 + tax/fees. The 3.5l V6 upgrade is $3,500. The 5.0l V8 is a $4,300 upgrage. A super charger kit costs $6,000 + install + tune. So the out the door price for a crew cab 2wd barebones (cloth seats, 3.5in screen, not even floor mats!) trim with that engine setup is $74,000.
At a $12,500 price tag it sounds like Ford is front loading the feature to cover potential warranty costs and pay for their high dealer labor rates. And severely de-tuning the kit as well. You can buy the latest 3.0L Whipple kit for these vehicles for $9300, install it anywhere on your ‘21 and newer F150 and tune it properly with help from Whipple to get an easy 685 ft/lbs of torque and 775 hp. If you value the warranty that much you are paying for it. Oh ya, lowering kits are not that hard either if you want that.
+10,000 valve covers backordered for my '17 F-150. No ETA on parts and Ford is completely silent about it. Probably going to trade the truck in for a Tundra now.
You can get an 8’ box truck supercharged too. You just can’t get the kit with the wheels or graphics, you can still get the Whipple installed with the warranty. The reason is because the graphics aren’t long enough for an 8’ box
Andrey, there’s a large market lowering their 4x4 trucks. You don’t always lift them. There’s a nice custom trend to a fully lowered 4x4 pickup, especially with Auto 4wd. It’s like a lowered AWD sports truck. Like the prior F150 lightning, before it was an E Vehicle.
The 30K difference between the Raptor and the Raptor R. It’s less than what anyone who tries to replicate those differences.
It will be 12 hours or so Roman. We did our own Supercharger from Roush on a F150 Raptor 6.2 in about 11 hours total work, just 2 of us over a weekend. We only got 625 hp out of that motor.
My buddy has never engaged in the “shenanigans” with his Ford dealership. There are other dealers out there that did the same. Shop around!
Watch if you race it at all he won’t be covered under warranty. It’s all for show my 5.0 Ford normal and the driveshaft broke at 20,000 miles luckily under warranty I can only imagine with the supercharger you gonna break that truck faster. Lol good luck and lemon law my truck and got a new one.
The markups are going to be legendary, stealerships are salivating already! 😂
There was a Ford dealer in the Midwest or Indiana area that was putting Ford Performance Whipple kits on new trucks without all the extra stickers and trim at a good value. With the 3/36 warranty.
Roman isn’t being a pessimist, but instead a realist. Andre is very optimistic. Best to have high hopes, and low expectations. Great video and insight guys, as always.
Awesome only problem I have a 19 😢..If I can get a low mile 21-22 for a good price I would totally do this
Highly recommend the Roush F150 due to the fact they beef up the Brakes to be able to stop the extra power, and it's lifted with full Warranty thru Ford. With exhaust and tune 👨🏻👍🏻🏁 in California the 2023 Roush F150 is $141,000
I just picked up a super charged 2022 Roush F-159 rated at 775hp. I still get around 15 mpgs in daily driving. So far I love it. Tons of power, and not as awkward to park as a Raptor.
@Preston Congratulations on the Super Charged F150 Roush, and yes when I took my 2022 Roush Mustang they were try to sell me the Roush F150 in White to match the color of my White Roush Mustang. At a $4,000 discount from their Dealership Markups Price.
👦👍🏎🏁🚩 in Los Angeles California
@Preston You have more Horsepower, and it's lighter than the Raptor R, and the T-Rex once again it is the most awesome daily truck. Congratulations 👦👍🏎🏁🚩🌲⛰️🏞🧗
@@preston6618775 hp? Wow, must of gotten lucky with that. Every super charged Roush f-150 I’ve seen was rated at 705 Hp. The Shelby Super Snake F-150’s are rated at 775HP. So very impressive you managed to find a Roush that also hits the 775 mark.
What would you rather have? 700hp that breaks-down in a year, or 200hp that runs forever? (Both get sh!tty gas mileage.) I'm keeping my old truck.
i’d much rather have a truck that can do donuts, drift and do a sub 4 second 0-60 but that’s just me I guess 🤷🏻♂️
are you driving an old straight 6 ford ?
So Ford is gonna sell street legal race trucks now, awesome.
They did that for a long time.... With lightning and raptors. Only difference this is a kit dealer install.
Roush SVTs been around for decades
I'm digging this
Please buy the Ford version of stubby and supercharge it!
Not sure why you can't get it with the 8 ft bed. Supercrew short bed is same wheelbase as reg cab long bed. Would love to see a base model work truck spittin' out 700 hp's.
I would want the short bed reg cab so it was more like the original Lightning.
I hope that warranty covers the transmission as well. I can see them failing big time!
Trans is good for 1000hp
It should be just fine
it will be fine. We've been doing this for years in Texas with the whipple kit
Standard trans on a Roush 600 hp F-150
Lol 10 speed handles that power just fine.
I would love to see the Godzilla with twin turbos 😎
Seems like an ideal fit for a king ranch or platinum (4x4) for towing an airstream, rv, Polaris toys. I saw a TRX a few weeks ago with a landscaping trailing hitched up and I sweat all the driver could see was clouds.
Superchargers are not ideal for towing.
Its laughable that you would even type that out
@@mattbrew11 why not
@@br0th3rb82 because they cut another 30% + range. Forgetting the other consequences I need not mention because they should be readily apparent, can you tell more about which vehicles that are designed to tow come with a supercharger?
@@mattbrew11 Range? Who cares about range when I added an exit America 40 gallon auxiliary tank you my lx570 when I popped the Magnusson (trd) SC. Who cares, LC aren’t meant for towing anyway. If I wanted to tow, I’d bought a diesel truck.
@@aynsleyjeansonne you just contradicted yourself lmao
A ref cab 8 ft bed is the same wheelbase as a screwcab short bed so same driveshaft.
I’m guessing it’s because that model is already extremely traction limited due to weight distribution. It would be an absolute gong show super charged.
And for that reason, I want an SC RCAB 8’ bed bad!
Likely the long 2-piece driveshaft of the 8ft bed trucks will have a torque limitation with this modification.
Pretty sure this has been out already for a while now without the stickers, tires, and lowering garbage....oh and its way cheaper at $9500. Can also be had with the propower option.
A dealer in Florida has been doing them with warranty for a while. I think it was a bit less but just the Ford sourced Whipple and install kit. Also think it was 2.8l but was getting bigger hp. I have a Coyote in my Jeep and thought about the Whipple. Too much HP for a 2door jeep though.
Yes, was around before, and was more recently found on parts lists, they're are now just packaging them up now, as official Ford parts.
My Dad just bought the FP700 w/ a custom exhaust! Holy crap is it fast!
Would love to do this to a 5.0 tremor and skip the rims/lowering kit
Hell yeah
I used to hate ford. But i really like the f-150s. My job rented one for us to use and i raced a mustang in it, them 10 speeds are fast as hell too
My dealership in Cincinnati Ohio (Beechmont Ford) has been doing this for years. If you for go the warranty they will build you a 800 hp F-150.
Don’t forget the a new set of tires when looking at the price. Tires sold separately.
Already have one. $50,500 out the door, runs 11.79 and gets 17.4 mpg around town and super crew cab. Thank god before bulls**t markups. Beechmont Ford Cincinnati
I recently traded my 2021 Expy for a 2023 STX 4 dr., 2 wheel drive, Coyote just for this reason! Not much frills but looking forward to some thrills!!
The fuel economy is more than likely why they only offer as a dealer add on, since the truck is initially sold w/o it, it does not ding the manufacturer on the CAFE standards.
This is pretty cool of Ford to offer this, thanks for sharing guys!!!!😊
Breaking news. Ford will sell you a fairly basic f150 XL for 60K in Canada. Truck pricing is absurd.
My 18 150 puts 761 to the rear. They are VERY common on the street race scene lots of short bed conventional cabs in the 10’s….that’s why you lower them.
Factory installed and dealer installed aren’t the same.
That being said the coyote is the most robust mass produced V8. It will EASILY handle the power. The 10 speeds seem to do ok with 700 wheel in the mustang community. Any more and they get iffy. That F150 will likely make mid to high 500’s as far as power at the wheel. Trans should be fine unless you drive WOT from every stop light.
Yes indeed, the Coyote loves boost! With the proper fuel system, running E85 and a good tune, I’ve seen a few supercharged Mustangs running dyno-verified 950 hp to the wheels.
I want one for my 7.3 Godzilla F-350 😊
I have a 2020, lead foot grey with a bel tech 2/4 lowering kit, 22x9.5 bronze Vossens, Bora exhaust, 3 years later Ford caught on
Be new data seeing if trans, axles, & transfer cases hold up. Just don't beat the piss out of them but we all know some still will.
Let's see this build on the channel!!!
I think you should get one and do this, I think lowering it has to do with the handling because of the power it will have so I'll be waiting to see your finished truck
Epic. About time they did something more street racing oriented. Not everyone wants a jacked up off-road truck. That's the reason I havn't gone for a Raptor or TRX.
Ugh. Those are just a nightmare for us in the service department. They don't tell the buyers that non Roush dealers can't work on them. Roush certified dealers are few and far between.
What does this have to do w/ ‘Roush’?
@@HerrPoopschitz
They mentioned Roush. It's the same for Whipple and all the high performance add-ons that FMC is partnered with. So, for example, you have to go to a Roush certified Ford dealer for warranty repairs related to the high performance equipment.
I have a rocky ridge I supercharged added on when I bought it better than a raptor R in my opinion. Mine is lifted and supercharged under warranty.
I have a supercharged Tundra. I thought it was oil when Toyota did it. I think it's cool when Ford does it. I wish Toyota had a TRD tune for these twin-turbo engines.
the sleeper f150 is an option for 46K or the FP700 for 52K with wheels and suspension lowered no secret
My question is why haven’t any of the Big Three et al, hooked up with the turbo master himself: Gale Banks? Not that there’s anything wrong with supercharging.
If you listen to Gale's podcast's, he talks about why he hasn't done anything with the OEMs.
Sweet. Way to go ford.
Ford had this option in the black widow trunks. No price savings In 2020 eco boost lariat 63000 the same black widow with supercharger 83000 from the same dealer.
I don’t wanna live in this world anymore
Who else would like to see TFL take a Roush F-150 up the Ike gauntlet???
FORD NEEDS TO PUT A FACTORY INSTALLED SUPERCHARGER IN THE 7.3L F350 and I’d buy it TOMORROW
They make 100k 700hp trucks, and 90k electric trucks that go 80 miles.
But they don’t make a fuel efficient work truck, that normal people can afford without a second mortgage.
I bet it come with a Bud Light Holder too.
Do it on a single cab 4wd stx
People have been doing this on ford f150 two door short beds for a few years already... Do you think ford is trying to keep the gasoline engines alive? Or are they trying to kill them quicker by slapping a 3 liter blower on it? The 4wd trucks with a 3.0 Whipple have been destroying transfer cases, transmissions etc. I wonder about all of this. The 2wd truck may be better for longevity, as wheelspin can remedy breaking transfer cases but these trucks are quick with this setup Kudos to ford for getting with the times. This kit should've been called the Lightining Kit... I believe the people at ford didn't want to call the all electric the lightning but some dufus over there just had to have his way with the new electric truck. I also wonder what the next iteration of Raptor will be since these companies HAVE to go electric within the next 10 or so years...
Super Charged shorty overland build!
The 8ft bed would spin the tires 24/7
regular cab option oh yeah!
Does it come in rainbow colours? Asking for my friend Dylan from the mountain with the broken back who loves a lowered rear end.
Yea, not into the whole rainbow Ford. They literally proved they want to be a ģhèý company.
keep crying about fake corporate pride no one is listening
Always on your mind. Wonder why…
I wonder what the history on your computer browser shows.
😂
Saw a base 2door at a dealer with this kit asking 90k in socal
I Love It! Really out of left field.
Lowering the truck will make the wheels fit in the wheel well better.
How about if I supply a new truck and the kit? You do a series of install videos and tests before handing it over to me
I have a 2022 f150 with the whipple supercharger and stock muffler and it is a sleeper
About Fing time. Thank you ford
It’s hard to believe any of this when Msrp on a 5.0 f150 xlt is 65k on every sticker I look at when I’m in the ford lots where they store all their trucks. Would be nice to have a 60k truck with 700 hp, but it’s not realistic today