This advice is fine for senior execs and salespeople. Tell a mid-level project manager that they should skip their kid's birthday to push paper for a few more hours on a Friday. That strategic alignment breaks down at some point and it turns into a game of moving goalposts and token rewards. For almost all of us, keeping plans with our family is the best way to ensure stability and long-term success for the family.
I think you slightly misunderstood this strategy. It doesn't apply to unimportant/non-urgent tasks like pushing papers. It's meant for when a critical task for team success is needed to be performed by a specific person. If I'm that mid-level project manager and I'm needed to use my specific expertise to solve an urgent problem on a friday night, I'm missing my kid's birthday and they'll understand why. I'll celebrate with them tomorrow
To your point, the strategy can totally be misused by a bad leader, who manipulates their workers to keep them working late on random busywork the boss doesn't want to do themselves. But like Jocko mentioned, that will just burn your leadership capital until your people get fed up
my first ever boss was exactly that kind of caring boss (well two bosses - twin brothers - both ex-military helicopter pilots) and we moved mountains for them - after that - two things happened - 1 - I never worked for anyone ever again. 2 - I treated all of employees and subordinates the same way and they always came through when the shit got tough
My Partner is an awesome manager, She treats everyone really well and when she needs help everyone helps her. She just empowers everyone. Super positive and very respectful of everyone. It's quite amazing how people will help you if they feel valued and treated as a friend not an employee.
The problem is you’re asking someone to severely inconvenience themselves and bail on their families. And for a lot of people the company will not reciprocate that back to you. This is why for most there would be no incentive to massively inconvenience yourself and majorly accommodate the company’s need. There’s no reciprocity.
Years ago I started for a company, and for the first 2 years, I did everything they asked of me. I went everywhere they asked, when and how long they asked. After 2 years I got a 1% raise, and then was asked to fill a position 2 steps above mine. They would not pay me more or promote me. This is a Fortune 500 company, and the largest in this country for their respective industry. This is how people are treated today when they give unselfishly without first asking what’s in it for them. You are 100% correct.
@libbymicheal: may i suggest stop working for someone elses mercedes and start as selfemployed? If you present yourself as a jar of paint, dong be suprised when someone shoves a brush up your behind
people don't want to come in early they don't want to stay late because there is no reward... if there was a reward or compensation for their effort, yes
@@RickyWillis-rh5xp yup! Plus, you're hiding workload and keeping people from getting hired to do needed work. Do the job you're paid for to the best of your ability, no more, no less.
My father was always overworking. He was sacrificing his time for us, for our school fees, our private tutors. I know now, that this was a difficult decision to make. However, when I was still a kid, I only cared about seeing him. These matters are always difficult, an area of infinite gray. There is no right and wrong here, only pros and cons to each side.
9:42 I've done that, with bands I've tried to form and put together, I've tried to do that with people I wanted or needed help to put bands together, I did my best to show how we would all benefit, and make sure our success rewards us etc, but that always Pissed people off for some reason.
Solid, good insights not only for high end executives and employers but also for mid to low range workers, this mentality of putting the work in to build up a company is something that is really needed and something I have as a base of my behavior at work. Give and take, if you help the company grow, you grow. If you are willing to learn in the process, if you are only in it for the hourly cent you will not go far. Thank you Jocko and everyone at Echelon Front for the video and advice.
Thank you so much Jocko. I was granted an incredible opportunity this summer to lead a huge team, who had had extremely poor leadership the past 2 years+. Your talks were crucial for me to realize concepts and ideas that I believed in, but still struggled to fully identify, and execute. The team was hugely successful this year, they have asked me back for next season even before this season was fully completed. The confidence boost to know that I wasn't crazy all this time, for believing what I believe, has been utterly invaluable. Thank you again.
Yeah, Stephen Covey had similar advice. I'm glad to see the information becoming more. Comes down to fundamental ideas on free trade. The question is not "What do I need"? "Rather, the question should be what do others need, that I can offer". JFK was before his time.
Completely true. Problem is people don’t care about the corporation because they can go work for anybody they want. And big corporations like stores and fast food don’t care about people because they can hire any 14 year old to come work for them. Funny story I used to work at a fast food and they took away benefits thinking that the punishment would get people to start acting better. What happened. People quit to go to better opportunities. I guess I can see it from the other perspective as well though.
Perhaps but I don't think any success can compensate for failure in the home. I'd put some guys on call for stuff like that and hopefully they are qualified . If Dave Burke does that too many times he'll be the guy that always gets called and then his family is disappointed in Dad. They probably don't need the extra money more than family time. Lots of guys get divorced working too much. America is only as strong as the family unit which is why we are what we are today. Great insights though. Thanks
I think part of it is also making sure people are comfortable accepting the moments of largesse as well. It’s easy to say “go home early”, but often there will be that bit in the back of folks’ minds that thinks “do they really mean that? Or do they actually expect the other thing?”, so there’s a bit of standard setting needed that way too. Give an example: I work construction. We’re headed into wet season, so if it’s raining (so site’s shutdown) it’s not unusual for the PM to walk out of his office around 1530, bag on shoulder, look around and “what are you all still doing here? It’s wet, unless you’ve got something pressing to do f*ck off”, then walk out the door. Now, I’ve know the bloke for awhile, and I’m pretty sure he goes back to his room and keeps working, but it’s set the standard and makes everyone, particularly the younger ones, comfortable to follow suit.
Hm, "how can we get employees to feel more ownership in the company?" How about, GIVE THEM some EQUITY position in the company? This was done at WestJet, employees got stock, back when WestJet was awesome. Employees were noticeably jazzed about providing service. Apparently they don't do that anymore, and now they're another ho-hum outfit. A variation of this was the kanai constant improvement philosophy used at Toyota for many years, where everyone down to the janitor was empowered to make suggestions about how to improve things. And that empowerment wasn't even about money but about recognition. What you have instead in almost all organizations is narcissists in the uppermost positions and brown-nosing yes-man in the middle positions, with the people of talent and integrity mostly sidelined and disgruntled and dreaming of weekends and retirement. Apparently the military is the exact exemplar of that kind of toxic "leadership" culture, just sayin.
I am a salaried engineer in aerospace (all engineers are salaried), been in the career for a while. Our pay rate is worth a certain amount per hour. If we are asked to work overtime, that extra time is logged and paid at our straight time rate. Even with this, not all of us are willing to work extra hours. It's just not worth it unless the work is interesting and compelling. Having said all that, if I have a friendship with, or like (as a person, not romantically we're 90% guys), the person managing the project, I'm much more likely to agree to work extra hours. Project managers don't have too many sticks or carrots, so it really really comes down to relationships and bonds of friendship and care. But if we didn't get paid the hours, you can bet a lot less overtime would get worked.
Tell me the incentives and I can tell you the results. If people are lacking commitment, the boss should take ownerhsip and realize maybe there's no incentive for people to do so.
I disagree with this. I work for Caterpillar in a manufacturing environment. Previously I was an assembler and now I’m a section manager. My mindset before being promoted was “why should I have to work overtime when I put out over 15hrs of work per 10hr shift meanwhile Joe blow next to me can only complete 4hrs of work in 10hrs.” Clearly I was not the problem, so why should I be forced to use my time off to compensate for everybody else’s inadequacies?
@ well I didn’t say that to my superiors for one, I just used my time off. And the reason I got the promotion was simply because, and not to sound pompous but there’s no other way to put it, I’m clearly better than everybody else. My presence makes everybody around me better. My technicians also respect that value their personal time. I won’t go too deep on this but the respect and understanding has increased both production and moral. We work to live, we don’t live to work. Which is why we pay a fair wage and only work 4 days a week. Now I gatekeep my section, any new employees are on a 3 month probationary period.
"Clearly im better" Sir, by mindfull thinking in a value structure. Often times the "worse" workers bring something else to the team. Thinking your better often times leads to closed ears and biased viewpoints. Bin there.. Done that.
That's funny but most likely not true. I don't know Jocko's backstory but chances are he was raised well by a manly man who did well by his family and raised Jocko to become the man he is.
I do love your spirit tho jocko I’m just asking cus I don’t know.. Is Any of this driving you crazy Do you experience delirium’s delusions?? Do you ever have problems with restlessness and does it ever become overwhelming and overburdening. Are you a mad scientist That believes you HAVE TO BE THIS GUY now or people are going to find out Your lonely sad and depressed?? What would that do to your brand Letting go letting up, would that mean or make you less of a man What is your true purpose?? What is it that your attention to accomplish?? Ava is it because you deep down feel unfulfilled unsatisfied and insecure??
The comment section amazes me. I might be off here but it seems to me that almost everybody is an employee instead of selfemployed. Its like you are willingly stepping into a mine and then demanding daylight. Good at your job? 'Boss' not rewarding you? Start your own business. Stop working for his AMG. Ive met these so called boys pretending to be managers. That carry the title but not the job subscription that comes with it. This whole 25-40yr old generation is full of talkers. No accountabillity. There was a time that a managed understood that they support the team instead of the team complimenting his position. Learn from them; they are merely play acting at leadership. They will soon depend on you. Learn from that and start outhiring yourself instead of pleading for pay or raises. Stay true to your self. Dont infect your brain with words like 'boss'. They dont own you, dogs have bosses. You have an employer. If you present yourself as a jar of paint, dont be suprised if someone comes along and shoves a brush up yours.
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This advice is fine for senior execs and salespeople. Tell a mid-level project manager that they should skip their kid's birthday to push paper for a few more hours on a Friday. That strategic alignment breaks down at some point and it turns into a game of moving goalposts and token rewards. For almost all of us, keeping plans with our family is the best way to ensure stability and long-term success for the family.
I think you slightly misunderstood this strategy. It doesn't apply to unimportant/non-urgent tasks like pushing papers. It's meant for when a critical task for team success is needed to be performed by a specific person.
If I'm that mid-level project manager and I'm needed to use my specific expertise to solve an urgent problem on a friday night, I'm missing my kid's birthday and they'll understand why. I'll celebrate with them tomorrow
To your point, the strategy can totally be misused by a bad leader, who manipulates their workers to keep them working late on random busywork the boss doesn't want to do themselves. But like Jocko mentioned, that will just burn your leadership capital until your people get fed up
I don't think you listened/watched it through. At 11:59 he flips the question back on the leader and pretty much sums up your last sentence.
@@ExtraRice365totally agree…if you over do it you will torch leadership capital
Good sign you are under poor leadership who have not trained you well to understand good leadership.
my first ever boss was exactly that kind of caring boss (well two bosses - twin brothers - both ex-military helicopter pilots) and we moved mountains for them - after that - two things happened - 1 - I never worked for anyone ever again. 2 - I treated all of employees and subordinates the same way and they always came through when the shit got tough
My Partner is an awesome manager, She treats everyone really well and when she needs help everyone helps her. She just empowers everyone. Super positive and very respectful of everyone. It's quite amazing how people will help you if they feel valued and treated as a friend not an employee.
The problem is you’re asking someone to severely inconvenience themselves and bail on their families. And for a lot of people the company will not reciprocate that back to you. This is why for most there would be no incentive to massively inconvenience yourself and majorly accommodate the company’s need. There’s no reciprocity.
Years ago I started for a company, and for the first 2 years, I did everything they asked of me. I went everywhere they asked, when and how long they asked. After 2 years I got a 1% raise, and then was asked to fill a position 2 steps above mine. They would not pay me more or promote me. This is a Fortune 500 company, and the largest in this country for their respective industry. This is how people are treated today when they give unselfishly without first asking what’s in it for them. You are 100% correct.
Sounds like the military.
@libbymicheal: may i suggest stop working for someone elses mercedes and start as selfemployed?
If you present yourself as a jar of paint, dong be suprised when someone shoves a brush up your behind
people don't want to come in early they don't want to stay late because there is no reward... if there was a reward or compensation for their effort, yes
There is no reward, matter of fact, everybody hates on you because you’re going above and beyond. If your in a union shop, good luck
@@RickyWillis-rh5xp yup! Plus, you're hiding workload and keeping people from getting hired to do needed work. Do the job you're paid for to the best of your ability, no more, no less.
My father was always overworking. He was sacrificing his time for us, for our school fees, our private tutors. I know now, that this was a difficult decision to make. However, when I was still a kid, I only cared about seeing him. These matters are always difficult, an area of infinite gray. There is no right and wrong here, only pros and cons to each side.
Gets asked typical corpo question.
Immediately answers with "take care of your people, dummy!"
Beautiful
9:42 I've done that, with bands I've tried to form and put together, I've tried to do that with people I wanted or needed help to put bands together, I did my best to show how we would all benefit, and make sure our success rewards us etc, but that always Pissed people off for some reason.
You need to care about people and pay them well so they will do extra mile.
this and then have high standards.
Solid, good insights not only for high end executives and employers but also for mid to low range workers, this mentality of putting the work in to build up a company is something that is really needed and something I have as a base of my behavior at work. Give and take, if you help the company grow, you grow. If you are willing to learn in the process, if you are only in it for the hourly cent you will not go far.
Thank you Jocko and everyone at Echelon Front for the video and advice.
Thank you so much Jocko. I was granted an incredible opportunity this summer to lead a huge team, who had had extremely poor leadership the past 2 years+. Your talks were crucial for me to realize concepts and ideas that I believed in, but still struggled to fully identify, and execute. The team was hugely successful this year, they have asked me back for next season even before this season was fully completed. The confidence boost to know that I wasn't crazy all this time, for believing what I believe, has been utterly invaluable. Thank you again.
Yeah, Stephen Covey had similar advice. I'm glad to see the information becoming more. Comes down to fundamental ideas on free trade. The question is not "What do I need"? "Rather, the question should be what do others need, that I can offer". JFK was before his time.
On this 9/11, thank you for your extraordinary bravery, dedication and service. Thank you always! ❤
Completely true. Problem is people don’t care about the corporation because they can go work for anybody they want. And big corporations like stores and fast food don’t care about people because they can hire any 14 year old to come work for them. Funny story I used to work at a fast food and they took away benefits thinking that the punishment would get people to start acting better. What happened. People quit to go to better opportunities. I guess I can see it from the other perspective as well though.
Perhaps but I don't think any success can compensate for failure in the home. I'd put some guys on call for stuff like that and hopefully they are qualified . If Dave Burke does that too many times he'll be the guy that always gets called and then his family is disappointed in Dad. They probably don't need the extra money more than family time. Lots of guys get divorced working too much. America is only as strong as the family unit which is why we are what we are today. Great insights though. Thanks
I think part of it is also making sure people are comfortable accepting the moments of largesse as well. It’s easy to say “go home early”, but often there will be that bit in the back of folks’ minds that thinks “do they really mean that? Or do they actually expect the other thing?”, so there’s a bit of standard setting needed that way too.
Give an example: I work construction. We’re headed into wet season, so if it’s raining (so site’s shutdown) it’s not unusual for the PM to walk out of his office around 1530, bag on shoulder, look around and “what are you all still doing here? It’s wet, unless you’ve got something pressing to do f*ck off”, then walk out the door. Now, I’ve know the bloke for awhile, and I’m pretty sure he goes back to his room and keeps working, but it’s set the standard and makes everyone, particularly the younger ones, comfortable to follow suit.
After listening to this I'm going to do less at my job and work more on becoming Financially sovereign. Get after it! Thanks jocko
And the greatest benefit is Virtue, for it makes us hospitable to God, who is Happiness.
Is that your own, or from a movie or someone else?
100% Right on target.
Hm, "how can we get employees to feel more ownership in the company?" How about, GIVE THEM some EQUITY position in the company? This was done at WestJet, employees got stock, back when WestJet was awesome. Employees were noticeably jazzed about providing service. Apparently they don't do that anymore, and now they're another ho-hum outfit.
A variation of this was the kanai constant improvement philosophy used at Toyota for many years, where everyone down to the janitor was empowered to make suggestions about how to improve things. And that empowerment wasn't even about money but about recognition.
What you have instead in almost all organizations is narcissists in the uppermost positions and brown-nosing yes-man in the middle positions, with the people of talent and integrity mostly sidelined and disgruntled and dreaming of weekends and retirement. Apparently the military is the exact exemplar of that kind of toxic "leadership" culture, just sayin.
Couldn't agree more.
I am a salaried engineer in aerospace (all engineers are salaried), been in the career for a while. Our pay rate is worth a certain amount per hour.
If we are asked to work overtime, that extra time is logged and paid at our straight time rate. Even with this, not all of us are willing to work extra hours. It's just not worth it unless the work is interesting and compelling.
Having said all that, if I have a friendship with, or like (as a person, not romantically we're 90% guys), the person managing the project, I'm much more likely to agree to work extra hours. Project managers don't have too many sticks or carrots, so it really really comes down to relationships and bonds of friendship and care.
But if we didn't get paid the hours, you can bet a lot less overtime would get worked.
Free time over making my boss richer. That’s way more important
Tell me the incentives and I can tell you the results. If people are lacking commitment, the boss should take ownerhsip and realize maybe there's no incentive for people to do so.
where’s the hoodie from?
Easy, just 2 words: profit sharing
I disagree with this. I work for Caterpillar in a manufacturing environment. Previously I was an assembler and now I’m a section manager. My mindset before being promoted was “why should I have to work overtime when I put out over 15hrs of work per 10hr shift meanwhile Joe blow next to me can only complete 4hrs of work in 10hrs.” Clearly I was not the problem, so why should I be forced to use my time off to compensate for everybody else’s inadequacies?
Interesting mindset. I'm surprised you actually got the promotion you mentioned.
@ well I didn’t say that to my superiors for one, I just used my time off. And the reason I got the promotion was simply because, and not to sound pompous but there’s no other way to put it, I’m clearly better than everybody else. My presence makes everybody around me better. My technicians also respect that value their personal time. I won’t go too deep on this but the respect and understanding has increased both production and moral. We work to live, we don’t live to work. Which is why we pay a fair wage and only work 4 days a week. Now I gatekeep my section, any new employees are on a 3 month probationary period.
"Clearly im better"
Sir, by mindfull thinking in a value structure. Often times the "worse" workers bring something else to the team.
Thinking your better often times leads to closed ears and biased viewpoints.
Bin there.. Done that.
Yo its Jynxzi’s dad!!
When Jocko left for the Navy, he told his father "now you can be the man of the family"
That's funny but most likely not true. I don't know Jocko's backstory but chances are he was raised well by a manly man who did well by his family and raised Jocko to become the man he is.
@losfromla1480 😂 I'm kind of agree with you tho.
We need more people like Jocko
Edit: He inspires me to try to be half the man he is, no simp😂🫡
Truth
Hppeuphp how does
good to go work outside of The Military?
Not hating just trying to do some good. Shouldn't it be Principle?
I do love your spirit tho jocko
I’m just asking cus I don’t know.. Is Any of this driving you crazy
Do you experience delirium’s delusions?? Do you ever have problems with restlessness and does it ever become overwhelming and overburdening.
Are you a mad scientist
That believes you HAVE TO BE THIS GUY now or people are going to find out
Your lonely sad and depressed??
What would that do to your brand
Letting go letting up, would that mean or make you less of a man
What is your true purpose?? What is it that your attention to accomplish??
Ava is it because you deep down feel unfulfilled unsatisfied and insecure??
Is Jocko wearing camo? All I see is his head
"Take care of your people" said no CEO ever. Just ask Boeing employees or any Jack Welch disciple.
Apply that first question to law enforcement... Give us morale and motivation when the organization is lacking edit: and requesting quotas....
The comment section amazes me. I might be off here but it seems to me that almost everybody is an employee instead of selfemployed.
Its like you are willingly stepping into a mine and then demanding daylight.
Good at your job? 'Boss' not rewarding you? Start your own business. Stop working for his AMG.
Ive met these so called boys pretending to be managers. That carry the title but not the job subscription that comes with it. This whole 25-40yr old generation is full of talkers. No accountabillity.
There was a time that a managed understood that they support the team instead of the team complimenting his position. Learn from them; they are merely play acting at leadership. They will soon depend on you. Learn from that and start outhiring yourself instead of pleading for pay or raises.
Stay true to your self. Dont infect your brain with words like 'boss'. They dont own you, dogs have bosses. You have an employer.
If you present yourself as a jar of paint, dont be suprised if someone comes along and shoves a brush up yours.
Pay your people more if you want them to work more.
Wow. You guys need pop shields/filters on your mics. The breath pops and plosives are crazy distracting.
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You want people to work overtime pay them proper money
Give me your sweet love then Jocko
Weird
How to induce stockholm syndrome
They're showing ownership from 9-5. It's not their fault above management wants more when they won't do it themselves.
You should have titled this "how to get loyal employees to work for free". Shame on both of you.
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