My New Hummer EV Broke Down Yet Again....And at the Absolute Worst Possible Time!

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  • @Freedom17762
    @Freedom17762 Год назад +1917

    It warms my heart that my pos 1996 geo tracker is more off-road capable than that $125,000 dollar liability.

    • @ThorGPA
      @ThorGPA Год назад +48

      Same for my 21,500$ (in 2003 money) S10 Zr2 is more capable then that lol

    • @movingforward36
      @movingforward36 Год назад +58

      This comment made me laugh hard cause how true it is.

    • @scrappy7571
      @scrappy7571 Год назад +145

      And in 10 yrs the Tracker will still be running, the Hummer will need a $60,000 battery.

    • @jerrypowers7671
      @jerrypowers7671 Год назад +23

      So could my old Dodge Ram 50 4wd aka Mitsubishi pick up without breaking a sweat.

    • @trikelyfe6090
      @trikelyfe6090 Год назад +35

      and has a smaller carbon footprint.... in fact yours has been carbon nuetral for years now

  • @hallkbrdz
    @hallkbrdz Год назад +755

    So the 4WD works great - as long as you don't take it off road. Brilliant.

    • @warmaster88
      @warmaster88 Год назад +38

      It works until you pull it out of the dealership 💀

    • @lonetrader1
      @lonetrader1 Год назад +15

      Also snow and rain is a no go

    • @nielsdebakker3283
      @nielsdebakker3283 Год назад +23

      Works excellent at mall parking lots.

    • @Antonyg2100
      @Antonyg2100 Год назад +4

      and all for the low low price of 110k HAHAHAHAH

    • @lukeworden3654
      @lukeworden3654 Год назад +1

      😄

  • @retro440
    @retro440 Год назад +151

    Personally, I find watching EVs fail pretty doggone entertaining!

    • @mrfishsticks266
      @mrfishsticks266 Год назад +5

      You're not the only one lol

    • @kenbob1071
      @kenbob1071 Год назад +9

      Like ICEs never fail...lol. GM's ICE Hummers were ranked highest on the low reliability list. This one is just living up to it's reputation.

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 Год назад

      OH WELL THEN THIS BIASED AND DECEIVING CHANNEL IS JUST FOR YOU. 🤡

    • @mplslawnguy3389
      @mplslawnguy3389 Год назад

      @@kenbob1071 Derp

    • @THExKINGxKINGx
      @THExKINGxKINGx Год назад +5

      Hey if I couldn’t afford one I’d have to resort doing that to cope too!

  • @kevinhamer2230
    @kevinhamer2230 Год назад +971

    I'm guessing the engineers didn't actually think anyone paying that much for a Hummer would take it off pavement.

    • @ubeuonly
      @ubeuonly Год назад +34

      Maybe about 3% just like a Raptor

    • @ricqik
      @ricqik Год назад +63

      @@ubeuonly 3%, must be counting those who jumped the curb turn at the grocery store.

    • @conorfoley7585
      @conorfoley7585 Год назад +20

      @@ubeuonly i had a raptor for 8 years. Mine was the only one i ever saw with mud and scratches on it, blew my mind

    • @explorenaked
      @explorenaked Год назад +39

      Well as we always see on the commercials for every vehicle: "Professional driver on closed course. Do not attempt." In the case of the Hummer, they actually mean it.

    • @chadsteele1
      @chadsteele1 Год назад +14

      @@conorfoley7585 why would it blow your mind, most are mall crawlers.

  • @CEvans789
    @CEvans789 Год назад +834

    They need to add one of those little holes that you can stick the end of a paperclip in to reset it after it takes a dump.

    • @bartwaggoner2000
      @bartwaggoner2000 Год назад +10

      Ha ha!

    • @Spamfordayz
      @Spamfordayz Год назад +25

      It's a big pile of dump

    • @marcbee1234
      @marcbee1234 Год назад +20

      ...or an easy style battery disconnect inside the cab for simplicity to re-boot!

    • @SunnynPhilly
      @SunnynPhilly Год назад +37

      If all else fails try Ctrl+Alt+Del

    • @jasonbarnett1256
      @jasonbarnett1256 Год назад +10

      Ha! Hold down the power and volume button at the same time? Blow on the cartridge??

  • @maxjamieson3341
    @maxjamieson3341 Год назад +277

    Every episode of this ev hummer makes me feel better about not owning one 😂

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 Год назад +7

      Well that’s Roman’s entire purpose. It’s called bad press. He’s clearly a GM troll - makes me wonder why they’d send him anything for review purposes. He’s a biased Tesla/Ford fanboy.

    • @bakedbean6605
      @bakedbean6605 Год назад

      @@mybro727 Roman hated Ford for the longest after they disinvited his channel from events for "leaking" early pictures of the Bronco

    • @colonelpanic7865
      @colonelpanic7865 11 месяцев назад

      @@mybro727 Didn't he like the Sierra AT4?

    • @anibalbabilonia1867
      @anibalbabilonia1867 9 месяцев назад

      Amén 🙏 brother!👋🤣👍

  • @vanmore5124
    @vanmore5124 Год назад +5

    The weight of that sliding on a bend or snow is terrifying. Will cause so much harm in a collision I'm amazed they are legal.

  • @pyroretired
    @pyroretired Год назад +47

    You sir, are a brave soul...walking down hill from a large vehicle that no-one knows what to expect from when it malfunctions...I am glad that thing didn't spontaneously decide to come down the hill after you on its own or something!

    • @anthropicandroid4494
      @anthropicandroid4494 Год назад +1

      My thoughts exactly! Shades of Christine...

    • @benDaku13
      @benDaku13 Год назад

      @@anthropicandroid4494 christine? Ootl

    • @anthropicandroid4494
      @anthropicandroid4494 Год назад +3

      @@benDaku13 Early John Carpenter flick: a young lad falls in love with an old, murderous Plymouth Fury--"Christine"--who falls in love with him; hi-jinks ensue.

    • @benDaku13
      @benDaku13 Год назад

      @@anthropicandroid4494 thanks!

    • @gregrowe1168
      @gregrowe1168 Год назад

      Maximum Overdrive, AC/DC’s Who Made Who randomly starts playing.

  • @xavierhulbert5849
    @xavierhulbert5849 Год назад +507

    This is the best “worst advertisement” for the Hummer that GM could ask for. Hopefully they learn to actually test their products before releasing them.

    • @bmw328igearhead
      @bmw328igearhead Год назад +23

      Engineers too busy licking the thermal exhaust ports of the owners...
      How hard is it to put 100-150kw battery, 50liter tank, 200kw engine driven generator, single 4-600kw motor into one vehicle with a traditional 4wd system?? Would make converting most trucks nice and easy

    • @Omar13t
      @Omar13t Год назад +1

      @@bmw328igearhead shit software

    • @bmw328igearhead
      @bmw328igearhead Год назад +1

      @@Omar13t made by......?

    • @josevega2399
      @josevega2399 Год назад +19

      They were just so proud of the 4 wheel steering to care about anything else.

    • @krane15
      @krane15 Год назад +13

      Keep in mind there are no other off-road EVs Especially not one of this level. In any event, no manufactures can test for everything under every condition. They'd never release a car if they did that. Cars become more reliable due to experience. This one, is brand new.

  • @philcarbone3996
    @philcarbone3996 Год назад +600

    GM's motto is Failure is not an option, it comes standard on all our vehicles.

    • @mschmitt661
      @mschmitt661 Год назад +35

      My 7 month old 2021 Trail Boss 5.8L died a similar death in a Walmart parking lot. Once I got it back from the dealer, I sold it immediately and went back to a Tundra. Never again.

    • @crtmojo2705
      @crtmojo2705 Год назад +2

      😅

    • @wesleygarrison6248
      @wesleygarrison6248 Год назад +5

      GM has made lots of capable and reliable vehicles. Electric cars are the problem.

    • @drewx420
      @drewx420 Год назад +10

      @@wesleygarrison6248 ive seen 100s of 2010-2020 GM trucks lose their trans in under 100,000 miles.. They might be capable of towing a trailer but they are far from reliable. Friends dealing with his 2018 with 40,000 miles having massive electric issues with his. Be honest i have no faith in new yota trucks either after seeing 2 lose their transmission on a light trail.. I'll stick with my 1990 yota pickup.. solid axle.. turbo diesel. 380,000 hard miles and it'll be good for another 300k miles or till the world ends

    • @angelgjr1999
      @angelgjr1999 Год назад +21

      Garbage Motors

  • @onlyme972
    @onlyme972 9 месяцев назад +4

    If a rock damages the battery its Big Banga Boom.

    • @oldarkie3880
      @oldarkie3880 2 месяца назад

      I would not park that thing in my garage, It could burn my whole house down.

  • @patriley9449
    @patriley9449 Год назад +28

    Thanks for the honest tests. You have shown us exactly what problems you encountered with no sugar coating.

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 Год назад

      I have a bridge I can sell you in Mexico, and you may qualify for the “gullible American” discount. 🙄

  • @matadorprime6555
    @matadorprime6555 Год назад +397

    Roman: "brakes are working, suspension is working."
    Hummer: "I'm done working, bye!"

    • @alanj7306
      @alanj7306 Год назад +5

      Haha 😂 that’s great!!

    • @groosbro1
      @groosbro1 Год назад +3

      🤣

    • @rkalla
      @rkalla Год назад +3

      LOL!

    • @jjj4888
      @jjj4888 Год назад +6

      The accelerator got offended that he didn't mention it and left

    • @healer81
      @healer81 Год назад +2

      Nice

  • @Iam88rene
    @Iam88rene Год назад +420

    The dealer is going to blame you for not having factory tires on 😂

    • @AFellowDoktuh
      @AFellowDoktuh Год назад +42

      GM: "Yeah, you guys put bigger tires on it, your warranty is now voided"

    • @Blue_Flame_Raptor
      @Blue_Flame_Raptor Год назад +56

      Gm be like: "yeah it looks like you were driving your vehicle which caused it to break, so it's not going to be covered"

    • @waynesbutler7834
      @waynesbutler7834 Год назад +6

      They possibly could although they have to prove the tire size increase caused the issue but i work for GM here in Canada and we typically would not see this as an issue . Your warranty isnt void if you tow a trailer nor increasing the tire size but not all dealerships are created equal or the district service managers that say what is warranty and what is not . Lift kits are an issue though and a harder mountain to climb , excuse the pun , when fighting for warranty . The higher the lift the bigger the denial , here in Canada a customer bought a brand new truck with a Rough Country 6 inch lift installed from a dealer then rolled the truck killing him , family is suing GM , the dealer and Rough Country . Not sure what the outcome was but dealers , if they want GM backing , have stopped installing lift kits on new trucks ..

    • @AFellowDoktuh
      @AFellowDoktuh Год назад +4

      @@waynesbutler7834 yeah, I was more so joking cause EVs are essentially giant PCs on wheels, and if you modify a PC in any way it voids the warranty lol

    • @waynesbutler7834
      @waynesbutler7834 Год назад

      @@AFellowDoktuh Dont mean to bother but you are exactly right . Cars are giant PCs and they can be hacked and are as the cases of cars disappearing from peoples drive ways increase . And we are at the tip of the iceberg with everything going electric in 2024 , whole other level of security has to be addressed during the design , manufacture and now software programs

  • @f00fightrs
    @f00fightrs Год назад +7

    There’s another serious issue: while the guy was examining the hummer from underneath, the suspension starting lowering by itself! Imagine working underneath the hummer without a proper lift 😬 (start the video from the 2 minute mark to see what I’m talking about)

    • @Lianpe98
      @Lianpe98 Год назад +1

      to be fair, you probably should never work under any vehicle without a lift un less everything's off

  • @detour_ahead5618
    @detour_ahead5618 Год назад +4

    Wow, TECHNOLOGY is really amazing. I'll keep it old school for now. Thanks for the video and insight and happier trails.

  • @ohtizzle
    @ohtizzle Год назад +216

    GMC watching this like “Moab?😳 When we said off road, we meant off the road, in the malls parking lot!” 😂

    • @brandonjernigan
      @brandonjernigan Год назад +1

      They did test these in Moab. One broke a tie rod even lol

    • @missulu
      @missulu Год назад +1

      Dude, you are brutal!lol!

    • @jakeeasterwood3204
      @jakeeasterwood3204 Год назад +1

      @@missuluAt least he said parking lot is what they consider “off-road”. He could have said one’s own driveway.😅

    • @mojo4376
      @mojo4376 Год назад +1

      That thing would even have trouble with a Mall Run.

    • @brandonjernigan
      @brandonjernigan Год назад +1

      @@mojo4376 I’ve taken mine off-road a few times and no issues 🤷🏼‍♂️ check my RUclips shorts

  • @misryluvsco8169
    @misryluvsco8169 Год назад +111

    $186.500, 😢 1,000 horsepower, can’t power it up a hill. Great job, GM!

    • @konichiwa3744
      @konichiwa3744 Год назад +8

      He was going down hill

    • @pearcey1113
      @pearcey1113 Год назад +5

      Facts

    • @tetchuma
      @tetchuma 11 месяцев назад +4

      Why did we bail them out again???
      Weren’t they supposed to bring back the El Camino?
      A Monte Carlo that WASN’T front wheel drive?
      A Cadillac that didn’t have an algebraic or alphanumeric name?
      Reminder: GM killed their EV-1 program, sold ALL of their battery technology to Texaco… (who then shelved it) and used the sale of that tech to invest in Hummer H2 production. The 7-9mpg douche-mobile.

  • @xthegrim
    @xthegrim Год назад +3

    Pretty common for a slow burn failure to cause this. System sees something out of parameters in a certain scenario, clears itself after enough time, rinse and repeat. Sometimes it's nothing, sometimes it's a deterioration that will leave you stranded with enough time. I'd still talk to the dealer and have them pull the logs using a time stamp from when it happened.

  • @keithremelts36
    @keithremelts36 Год назад +4

    My experience with GM and their engineers are that they really don't care. My supercruise quit working 5 months ago and despite having dash cam footage of the car attempting to swerve me off the road, into other cars, or into concrete walls on the highway GM shrugged it off. Sent out an engineer that had never worked on a supercruise system and I'm here now with a car that seemingly can't be fixed. I would love to see follow up with your experience with these issues you're having with this thing.

  • @sunchaser999
    @sunchaser999 Год назад +221

    This vehicle sure takes the fun out of off-roading.

    • @The_Opinion_of_Matt
      @The_Opinion_of_Matt Год назад +9

      It does add a bunch of unwanted excitement though! Perfect for instagrammers looking for clicks.

  • @VnazT
    @VnazT Год назад +349

    Makes that defender you had look real reliable

  • @UNSCSpartan043
    @UNSCSpartan043 Год назад +3

    Gotta love the BFG mud terrains but sadly they are wasted on what is essentially a PoS. Another older style I ran with nearly the same tread design except for the side wall wrap around was a Goodyear workhorse if I remember right. Wonder if they still make those or a similar version?

  • @dcdanger6151
    @dcdanger6151 Год назад

    I am considering the H2 SUV but man they need to get these vehicles sorted out. Your issues are not minor inconveniences I could accept in any vehicle. Thank you for sharing the good, bad and very bad of this vehicle.

  • @Goatfan05
    @Goatfan05 Год назад +314

    Matt’s off road recovery would have been sweet.

    • @backwoodstherapy
      @backwoodstherapy Год назад +28

      Would have been, but Matt is 6 hours away in Hurricane, Utah. But I think Trail Mater is based in Moab...

    • @krashnpa
      @krashnpa Год назад

      @@upscaleshack lol, you mad bro? Maybe it just would have been cool to have MORR in the video if the Hummer hadn't figured its shit out...or maybe they would have slapped a real drivetrain in this pig so so this bullshit would not happen to Roman again?

    • @MrNicholg
      @MrNicholg Год назад +15

      Rory at Moab Motorsports with the Trail 'Mater off-road wrecker would be better.

    • @hines862009
      @hines862009 Год назад +4

      @@upscaleshack what's up sis!

    • @sycamorevalleyshops2841
      @sycamorevalleyshops2841 Год назад +4

      @@MrNicholgI want to see Rory’s opinion on the hummer…

  • @venom5809
    @venom5809 Год назад +60

    If this has this many issues when it's new imagine when it is 5 plus years old. Yikes. 😬

  • @phildavis9671
    @phildavis9671 Год назад +2

    Were you able to reset tire size in the hummer? How was the ride height governed and did the tires mess up the sensors.

  • @richardelliott8352
    @richardelliott8352 Год назад +5

    As I watched, I wondered why the owners manual was not discussed about what to do when the ride shut down, and what it said about operating the vehicle in a way to avoid shut down.

    • @oldarkie3880
      @oldarkie3880 2 месяца назад

      You probably can't fix it without internet wi fi.

  • @littlestinker9716
    @littlestinker9716 Год назад +131

    When you thought it couldn't get worse than the Defender, along comes GM saying hold my beer.

    • @ColeSpolaric
      @ColeSpolaric Год назад +7

      Nah, they had 2 unfixable defenders 😂

    • @seanredhead8233
      @seanredhead8233 Год назад +2

      Lol thats a gd point.🤓👍

    • @larryhelstrom1881
      @larryhelstrom1881 Год назад +2

      Defender says: "It can't get WORSE!" Gov't Motors, aka GM, says: "We accept that challenge!".

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 Год назад +2

      Meanwhile, Ford couldn’t even align a headlight properly on the Lightning. 😂

    • @Unknownscientists
      @Unknownscientists 10 месяцев назад

      Safe to say that all these new “ off road and utility vehicles “ made after 2013 have become fruit cakes.

  • @EffDinero8
    @EffDinero8 Год назад +259

    That legendary GM quality strikes again...

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 Год назад +3

      I want to see a Dodge Ram or Wrangler fixing all by themselves after encountering some error messages on dash..

    • @Tapout121
      @Tapout121 Год назад +13

      @@poplaurentiu4148 Thats just it, you wouldn't see an error message because it wouldn't crap out like the GM.

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 Год назад +3

      @@Tapout121 Because since they do not have full electric versions only ICE & mild-hybrids in best cases so, they don't feature over-the air software up-dates like BEV's ?

    • @mylesgray3470
      @mylesgray3470 Год назад +11

      GM is famous for having poor quality electronics. This is a bigger issue when the vehicle drive system is electronic.

    • @VikingDudee
      @VikingDudee Год назад +4

      I'd take my 90s GM truck over most vehicles out there, I drive a 99 GMC Suburban, not too of a bad truck, but its went threw a transfer case, rear end makes noise, has a collapsed lifter, it suffers from piston slap on cold starts, sounds like a rod wants to let go for about 5 min when its below freezing, nearly 400k miles on it so whatever. Hell I had to change a starter out on a 2018 silverado last week, it was just plain jane starter, not the start stop starter, and it was $300, Had the plesure of changing out a fuel pump on a 2020 Ram 2500 with 50k miles on it, things like that just shouldn't happen with new shit.

  • @cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849
    @cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 Год назад +2

    since it breaks so often its at least nice of it to email you. A+

  • @michaeltharp2276
    @michaeltharp2276 Год назад +2

    I think you should take it back to the dealer before resetting the battery. Resetting the battery may clear the logs of what is going wrong making the technicians job of diagnosing the problem much harder. They need to see the error codes before they are cleared. Just a thought.

  • @Stringy1313
    @Stringy1313 Год назад +164

    The Hummer EV was just a toy for Marketing PR, it was never intended to be a vehicle used as a vehicle… Case in Point, Crab Walk…
    I do appreciate the transparency of your experience and would love to hear GM’s response and if any other owners have experienced this what appears to be “normal” use…

    • @CptAngelKGaming
      @CptAngelKGaming Год назад +4

      wow you're so smart you figured it all out. Or not..

    • @TruckerMike089
      @TruckerMike089 Год назад +17

      No they marketed it as a serious off road contender. It's idiotic at best and an absolute failure at worst

    • @tomash812
      @tomash812 Год назад +9

      I'm sure that the Hummer EVs sole purpose was to draw attention away from the embarrassment of their amazing Blazer bring back.

    • @MickeyMishra
      @MickeyMishra Год назад +1

      @@tomash812 Wait. They have a New Blazer? Never heard of it! Heck I don't even see them on the road around here.

    • @bonustimeslots
      @bonustimeslots Год назад +2

      @@MickeyMishra Yep, and it's built in Mexico. Woohoo! Go Gm

  • @2011blueman
    @2011blueman Год назад +88

    The Hummer was intended to be a mall crawler. I'm surprised you haven't gotten a "take me back to the mall" warning on dash.

    • @mflb94
      @mflb94 Год назад +1

      who goes to malls in 2023?

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss Год назад +4

      It's too unreliable for a mall crawler bro. It died on them just like this in the middle of a Normal road 😂I think most of them will end up in museums. They'll remove the batteries for recycling and leave the husk shell as a museum lawn ornament

  • @rob0079
    @rob0079 Год назад +2

    Buying an electric GM vehicle is basically like that scene in the dark knight, when the Joker burns a mountain of cash just because he can.

  • @zachfiorella9757
    @zachfiorella9757 Год назад +75

    At the end of the day I don't trust it not to leave anyone stranded. Even if people had the money for it and most don't, it looks more like a gadget then a tool. A tool works, a gadget breaks.

    • @krane15
      @krane15 Год назад

      They both break. Think more carefully next time.

  • @sdfggtfhhyy
    @sdfggtfhhyy Год назад +104

    Congrats for buying the heaviest brick in the world 👍

  • @Inpreesme
    @Inpreesme 3 месяца назад +1

    I am replacing my vehicle this year. I narrowed my choices down to a 2024 C8 Corvette or this hummer pick up truck. Thank you for creating these videos. You have made the decision of no brainer, they can keep their hummer

    • @oldarkie3880
      @oldarkie3880 2 месяца назад

      Two totally different vehicles I don't understand??

  • @andrewmaw3345
    @andrewmaw3345 Год назад

    Just a side note to think of. Techs remotely could of sent a patch/restart when they get alerted. Like me with Computers I manage 400 machines. I know of an issue before the end user does. I can send updates/patches and reboots etc. This probably why you got the email in town where they had a connection with the truck.
    Just my five cents...thanks for the video.

  • @r0guestorm964
    @r0guestorm964 Год назад +75

    “This is OnStar support. Have you tried turning your Hummer off and on again?” The software must based on Windows, lol

    • @callumkingunderwood
      @callumkingunderwood Год назад +7

      This feels more like a Mac to me. Works until you actually try to be a power user at which point you see the massive quality drop in their OS since catalina

    • @tedecker3792
      @tedecker3792 Год назад

      This is onstar support, have you tried a Land Cruiser?

    • @jimmywilson4809
      @jimmywilson4809 Год назад

      Winblows. United Gates of America!

    • @ZepG
      @ZepG Год назад +2

      @R0gue Storm
      I've been a CADD tech for 23 years and a pc gamer since Windows 3.1, Windows has been very reliable. The last BSOD I've ever had was in the early 2000's. My daughters grew up on Macs and they break constantly, that is why almost every tech company in the world uses Windows based pc's!

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 Год назад +1

      @@ZepG About 70% of PC users in the world are running Windows OS. In fact, I've never been to a hospital, manufacturing company, or grocery store that had Apple products for PCs. Every one is using a Windows PC.

  • @husky2423
    @husky2423 Год назад +291

    Sounds like the hummer ev is way too complicated and heavy to actually be used off road. Such a shame tbh it had so much potential.

    • @pistonburner6448
      @pistonburner6448 Год назад +28

      It's a shame because it's so ugly and childish that it's too embarrassing to drive within civilisation.
      I guess they should all just be painted green and be dumped in the ocean now, instead of later.

    • @Pilot545
      @Pilot545 Год назад +22

      @@pistonburner6448 This is a failure, imo. Bet it gets discontinued after a couple more years.

    • @xavierhulbert5849
      @xavierhulbert5849 Год назад +12

      Though this is a failure, keep in mind that this is the first commercially available off-road EV. It could (and should) have been done better, but it’s rare to get something right on the first try. Hopefully in 5 years other companies learn from these flaws.

    • @ubeuonly
      @ubeuonly Год назад +18

      Nobody saw that coming? 9,000 lb? General Motors?

    • @SasukeUchiha-zu6dw
      @SasukeUchiha-zu6dw Год назад +5

      I think it's going to take a battery tech breakthrough so we can have these EVs meet the bar already set by ICE.

  • @vincentqiao5930
    @vincentqiao5930 Год назад +1

    "Extract 9000lbs Hummer" is gonna be the name of the game

  • @BeeInnovative
    @BeeInnovative Год назад +1

    I would look at the ride height sensors if your off-road and you flex too much, the sensor will think it’s out of range!f Failed, and then it goes into limp home mode. I would tested it by unhooking the sensor from the suspension and move it all the way up all the way down and see if that’s the exact same problem.

  • @srick77373
    @srick77373 Год назад +239

    Nice to know that GM is doing great research and development.

    • @marcochavanne
      @marcochavanne Год назад +6

      Its an Alpha product. Just like gasoline cars didn't peak with the Ford Model A.

    • @srick77373
      @srick77373 Год назад +6

      @Marco Chavanne granted that it's the first one released but to call it an alpha makes it sound like a test vehicle. GM wouldn't sell test vehicles without a load of disclaimers set up by their legal department. And they certainly wouldn't sell it for $125k.

    • @robertstewart1262
      @robertstewart1262 Год назад +8

      The r&d is being done by the customer.

    • @daniels2761
      @daniels2761 Год назад +6

      @@marcochavanne that is a ridiculous statement, considering that EVs have been around as long as ICE vehicles have, and EVs are the standard in some industries. GM just sucks lol

    • @marcochavanne
      @marcochavanne Год назад +3

      @@daniels2761 Its a bit disingenuous to imply EVs have had the same R&D and resources over the past century. I am a die hard Toyota/Honda guy and was a mechanic for 8 years. GM doesn't suck. Some parts on their cars do just like any other company.

  • @Valley_view
    @Valley_view Год назад +116

    Sadly...I think the question most of us had wasn't IF it would break down, but rather where and How it would. Excellent video though! 👍🏼

  • @wakeboarder9180
    @wakeboarder9180 Год назад +5

    I have to say that after watching all of your videos on this vehicle....I'd have far more confidence in my 1987 Jeep Wrangler than this $100k+ monstrosity. If GM thinks this is their future then they're nuts. At least they had the brains to recently begin development of a new V8 engine family....and to that, they deserve credit.

    • @Lianpe98
      @Lianpe98 Год назад

      I mean, it wasn't the powertrain's fault, what failed were the same electronics that would fail with a V8

    • @softwarephil1709
      @softwarephil1709 2 месяца назад

      Same for my 2018 Subaru Forester XT.

    • @oldarkie3880
      @oldarkie3880 2 месяца назад

      @@Lianpe98 wrong

  • @gregbuser4690
    @gregbuser4690 Год назад +64

    Gives new meaning to “part time four wheel drive.”

  • @daking8374
    @daking8374 Год назад +70

    GM can’t even get the electronics on their gasoline powered vehicles right, I can only IMAGINE the issues that their fully electric vehicles have.

    • @FinneasJedidiah
      @FinneasJedidiah Год назад +1

      They've been making full EVs continuously for 10 years, and they made the best PHEVs from 2011-2018. If they had lots of problems you'd have heard about it years ago.

    • @alwenke212
      @alwenke212 Год назад +11

      @@FinneasJedidiah ,,,, you mean like Volt/Bolt cars spontaneously bursting into flame!!!

    • @FinneasJedidiah
      @FinneasJedidiah Год назад +1

      @@alwenke212 fires are not- and have never been- a problem with Volts, and the battery issues with Bolts were caused by an error in batter production. Which GM is not in charge of. And they are close to having every potentially faulty system replaced.

    • @daking8374
      @daking8374 Год назад +8

      @@FinneasJedidiah regardless of who made the batteries, at the end of the day, we’re buying a GM product. It’s up to them to up their QC and catch issues like this before we spend our hard earned money with them. Reasons don’t matter…Results do.

    • @daniels2761
      @daniels2761 Год назад +1

      @@FinneasJedidiah not entirely true, GM uses pouch batteries, which expand/swell quite a bit. Yes, the pouch batteries had a defect, but that defect wouldn't have happened in a cell. Cells would be much better, but GM doesn't want to pay for them.

  • @davidmilhouscarter8198
    @davidmilhouscarter8198 Год назад

    2:37 Can the factory air compressor be replaced with an aftermarket one? Like ARB?

  • @chrisb9475
    @chrisb9475 Год назад

    Great Video Thank Goodness It All Worked Very Capable Vehicle Even In 2 wheel drive Need To Take That Into Account 🇺🇸

  • @JohnJones-ty6fj
    @JohnJones-ty6fj Год назад +159

    Hummer EV: works every time 25% of the time. Another fine example of a bailout buggy.

    • @tylerboss
      @tylerboss Год назад +1

      Yet there are still so many that ignore that

    • @krane15
      @krane15 Год назад +1

      I have a better idea, tell them what they did wrong and how they can make it better.

    • @JohnJones-ty6fj
      @JohnJones-ty6fj Год назад +6

      @@krane15 they stopped listening. The bailout robbed them of their accountability to the market. This is what you get.

    • @krane15
      @krane15 Год назад

      @@JohnJones-ty6fj As much as you might pain you, you still need to go through the motions. Otherwise, you can't make a valid complaint or say the company didn't listen. Making a suggestion is not that hard. In fact, many companies send out surveys in search of opinions. I always fill mine out.
      In fact, I got a survey just last week from my gym. They wanted to know what was the most important thing the members expect from a gym. I told them cleanliness -- which is where my gym falls short. Followed by well-maintained machines. Where they do a much better job.

    • @JohnJones-ty6fj
      @JohnJones-ty6fj Год назад +9

      @@krane15 you don’t have to worry about me. I’ll never buy another anything from government motors. They shouldn’t exist. I’m smart enough to treat them as such.

  • @20tea
    @20tea Год назад +55

    So next time your 4wd goes out try:
    Up up down down left right left right Brake Accelerator and then Start. Should unlock everything!

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper Год назад +2

      I don't know why I haven't tried this on my Bronco yet just to see if it does anything

    • @alwenke212
      @alwenke212 Год назад

      @@Skinflaps_Meatslapper that doesn't work on a broken engine caused by a snapped exhaust valve.

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper Год назад +8

      @@alwenke212 Tried it yesterday and you're wrong. I now have unlimited valves.

    • @rv8pilot1
      @rv8pilot1 Год назад +2

      How about Control-Alt-Delete......

    • @Skinflaps_Meatslapper
      @Skinflaps_Meatslapper Год назад

      @@rv8pilot1 I tried that with my RV-8 once and ended up with a nosewheel. 0/10 would not recommend

  • @FinflazodeTurroai
    @FinflazodeTurroai Год назад

    Got an extremely old, but well maintained, Jeep Commando. Now that is what I call a GOOD CAR.

  • @marcochavanne
    @marcochavanne Год назад

    Wonder if its something simple like a wheel speed sensor. That can disable tracking control systems on every modern 4x4. Guess they need to work on failsafes and how to handle situations like this in their software since the analog driveline is being phased out.

  • @anthropicandroid4494
    @anthropicandroid4494 Год назад +167

    Kudos to TFL for another unblinking, honest review. Some other channels I could mention wouldn't have uploaded this.

    • @Blue-moon12
      @Blue-moon12 Год назад +4

      Mention..mention!

    • @henkstols9326
      @henkstols9326 Год назад +3

      I suspect they buy their vehicles and dont get any freebies like the general press, I remember the Land Rover issue and that actually must have increased their viewers because of their honesty.

    • @jesuslozano5468
      @jesuslozano5468 Год назад

      Actually who wouldn’t post this is a fanboy owner, that person wouldn’t embarrassed him self

    • @jesuslozano5468
      @jesuslozano5468 Год назад +1

      It’s a very ugly truck, I saw it in person and is uglier, It hurt my eyes to see it, I walked away from it real quick

    • @originaldelta
      @originaldelta Год назад +2

      Doug would never post this..and the 2 Canadian guys throttle house

  • @doublej9717
    @doublej9717 Год назад +208

    Not really surprising given that GM has been known for relatively reliable powertrains and sketchy electrical systems

    • @seymorefact4333
      @seymorefact4333 Год назад +6

      Relatively...lmao

    • @ConnorGibbsAK
      @ConnorGibbsAK Год назад +10

      I think GM’s Vortec and Duramax engines prior to its buyout were superior to the engines of Ford and Dodge, with exception to the transmissions of the GM trucks and maybe the Cummins depending on the year. However after it’s buyout, GM’s engines just lost their reliability imo. Even the 5.3 started suffering from severe oil sludging and it’s cylinder deactivation would fail catastrophically. Now, the engine I trust most out of them all is the Cummins but then I don’t trust anything else about those Rams! They really did push me into the Toyota iForce V8s and I LOVE mine! Still miss my old 05’ Suburban with the 5.3 that had no issues ever and I sold it at almost 200k miles because of rust to my mechanic.

    • @cbrooks1992
      @cbrooks1992 Год назад +7

      That sounds like most US domestics

    • @AndieBlack13
      @AndieBlack13 Год назад +5

      @@cbrooks1992 Not the old rigs of the past...my 75 F150 2WD manual with 360 & granny gear never once left me stranded...everything was simple & easy to deal with, I blew thru terrain these guys here would never even attempt.

    • @rickeycooley9139
      @rickeycooley9139 Год назад

      👍👍👍👍👍

  • @samtheman2144
    @samtheman2144 Год назад

    I just did this trail in my 2006 liberty diesel with a new wrangler 2 door and 3 Rivian R1Ts. None of us had any issues.

  • @1257wizard
    @1257wizard 2 месяца назад

    Poor Roman I do believe his dream of everyone blissfuly enjoying his EV green dream is slowly fading, long live the V8!

  • @decarloswilliams6099
    @decarloswilliams6099 Год назад +91

    Roman my friend, you are a patient fellow. This rig has been plagued with little gremlins from the gate and yet you always manage to keep a cool head . I personally would have gone completely batshit crazy especially considering the price point of this “off-roader “. You have my respect sir! 👍

    • @krane15
      @krane15 Год назад

      Did you expect it to work perfectly the fist time our? What all new, all type vehicle does that?

    • @JPatterson-dm5nd
      @JPatterson-dm5nd Год назад +17

      115k for headaches and not trustworthy, no thank you

    • @traitoR142
      @traitoR142 Год назад +4

      You think they don't edit out certain moments of frustration ?

    • @davidthompson7817
      @davidthompson7817 Год назад +3

      @@traitoR142 exactly. I want to see the part of the video where he’s kicking his new tires: “damn 37’s!”.

    • @gornoman
      @gornoman Год назад +2

      That's the problem these days, everyone wants to go batshit crazy when stuff doesn't work right. How about you just take it in and let them fix it. Leave the batshit behind. It serves no purpose. Give it a try.....

  • @AmericanWorker1127
    @AmericanWorker1127 Год назад +49

    Wow that hummer air suspension lowering itself is a HUGE safety risk and liability

    • @ShimaS-0079
      @ShimaS-0079 Год назад +2

      I'm trying to figure out why it would do tht

    • @jinksomiabodyart3189
      @jinksomiabodyart3189 Год назад +2

      If it is not moving it might do that so it is easy to mount, dismount.

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 Год назад +1

      Oh sure yes, tell us more about the great safety hazards of a self leveling air suspension system and all of the other vehicles that have them…you people are trying way too hard. 😂

  • @TheMamonti1
    @TheMamonti1 3 месяца назад

    you should have bought the aux interior battery knife switch option!
    no need to get out of the hummer every 100 miles to reboot the system.
    well worth the 10,000.00 option price tag!!!

  • @mikafiltenborg7572
    @mikafiltenborg7572 Год назад +1

    You did it Mary Barra! GM = the 🌍 EV-leader!! 😊👍

  • @ExaltedDuck
    @ExaltedDuck Год назад +6

    They forgot the three most important buttons: Ctrl, Alt, and Delete.

  • @jackiejorpjomp
    @jackiejorpjomp Год назад +30

    Came here to laugh. So far so good.

  • @RobG001
    @RobG001 Год назад +1

    Can you imagine the cost for repairing that thing when it is out of warranty? Screw that!

  • @seedub8560
    @seedub8560 Год назад +1

    pro tip for the kids at home:
    If your electric (or any) vehicle is having issues, prolly shouldn't stand directly in front of it while its pointing downhill.

  • @whistlinlipo
    @whistlinlipo Год назад +64

    The chime of the hummers faults will haunt my dreams

    • @joecies
      @joecies Год назад +1

      Bong...Warrior is about to die.

    • @hellkitty1014
      @hellkitty1014 Год назад +5

      BMW-esque in their misery.😂

  • @stonepa
    @stonepa Год назад +19

    Sadly - my exact experience with every GM I have ever purchase new.

  • @henkstols9326
    @henkstols9326 Год назад

    At 21:53 what was the red light flashing on the dash? Left bottom corner just as the hill climb started.

  • @joecruz4846
    @joecruz4846 Год назад +1

    I am absolutely convinced , electric , IS NOT , the way. All hype. Over complicated. Charging anxiety. Thanks to your videos and the communities.

  • @batmanlives6456
    @batmanlives6456 Год назад +16

    Note to GM …
    Fit a big reset switch to disconnect the 12 v supply every 10 minutes in the centre of the dash !!!

  • @oldmanhare
    @oldmanhare Год назад +57

    Under the truck, there is a little RESET button. When you locate it, use a paper clip to press it for 5 seconds to restart it. Works every time!

    • @bartwaggoner2000
      @bartwaggoner2000 Год назад +7

      Ha ha - you might be right, imagine trying to find it!

    • @230k19
      @230k19 Год назад +2

      @@bartwaggoner2000 especially considering there are 200 of those little holes underneath that thing

    • @rodrigoroaduterte9415
      @rodrigoroaduterte9415 Год назад

      It is even more refreshing to imagine numerous black slaves running in Africa with baskets of cobalt ore on their heads. This is what necessary to build EVERY EV battery on this planet.
      Later you may pretend like saving the planet with the help of exploiting the slave workforce. Nice!

    • @peterward9755
      @peterward9755 Год назад

      I would take it back on get my money back

  • @KashifKhan-cs3nx
    @KashifKhan-cs3nx Год назад

    so the big question is .. can you trust this truck ? or would you just like for it to fix itself from time to time , like our office IT people make us reboot every time there is a problem ?

  • @tahcogunworks
    @tahcogunworks Год назад +1

    I've been on that exact trail in my bone stock 1987 Ford Bronco with stock tires.
    It was actually boring.
    What an absolute joke we are becoming. Everything automated and cameras everywhere.
    This will not end well for EVs.

  • @triple6forty2
    @triple6forty2 Год назад +20

    I think not only the AWD gave up, actually the whole driving system. ABS, ESP and everything. Thats why you were sliding down and spinning tires like crazy.

  • @Jimmyxsx
    @Jimmyxsx Год назад +101

    I would love to see the Rivian, Lightning and Hummer EV go off road and see which one does better.

    • @glenmurra3856
      @glenmurra3856 Год назад +21

      Yeah that would be interesting because all three of them wouldn't do worth a damn they're all pieces of crap that would leave you stranded out in the middle of nowhere and you'd have to walk home

    • @KB-bh9hp
      @KB-bh9hp Год назад +9

      My guess is the lightning would be the best. Unless the Rivian had that tank turn feature they advertised. Not sure if that made it to production or not.

    • @LarryRichelli
      @LarryRichelli Год назад +23

      @@KB-bh9hp The Rivian does way better than the Lightening off road. It has air suspension and you can raise it up a bit but until they get lift kits, none of them are good off road.

    • @wolfgangpreier9160
      @wolfgangpreier9160 Год назад +2

      And Lordstown!

    • @wolfgangpreier9160
      @wolfgangpreier9160 Год назад +7

      @@KB-bh9hp The tank turn is just as important as the fart on demand in a Tesla. Fun for kids.

  • @jonathanwilliams4817
    @jonathanwilliams4817 Год назад

    Hello I love all your videos! I just got a new gmc and it broke down in the middle of the highway. it was like when your hummer broke down and it wouldn’t go into neutral

  • @user-xl1vm3fx7u
    @user-xl1vm3fx7u Год назад +2

    Wow…. Somehow this makes the H3 look like a off road beast

  • @RobbieHerrera
    @RobbieHerrera Год назад +59

    Nice video as always. Looks like Andrei’s old H2 is a lot more dependable than that.

  • @SE7ENinc1
    @SE7ENinc1 Год назад +26

    I can feel the anxiety of 9000 pounds being stuck..

  • @dustinwarren395
    @dustinwarren395 Год назад

    hoover vaccum company: "we make the best electric motor powered thing that sucks"
    gm and ford: "hold our beers"

  • @JoeFpoc
    @JoeFpoc Год назад

    I wish they would do a side by side comparison when they take these fancy new trucks offroad. Have a pos 85 jeep follow with similar sized tires and see which one does better

  • @briany990
    @briany990 Год назад +74

    This is why I will always trust a mechanical system over an electronic system

    • @mrprogamerman693
      @mrprogamerman693 Год назад +2

      Well said brother

    • @Lianpe98
      @Lianpe98 Год назад

      **coughs** blown headgaskets **coughs** craked intake manifolds **coughs** oil pan leak **coughs** radiator leak **coughs** overheating **coughs** broken differential

    • @briany990
      @briany990 Год назад

      @@Lianpe98 Everything you listed is easily diagnosable and repairable at the point of failure, and usually with cheap universal parts. Not only that, you can fix all of those issues in your garage with a set of second-hand tools and an afternoon.
      Good luck trying to replace a broken subsystem on an electric component, it won’t happen. You’ll end up replacing the entire main system because you can’t even tell where the fault is coming from. Hello empty wallet and months of delay from electronic component shortages.
      Everything breaks, what makes something reliable is how easy it is to repair it.

    • @Lianpe98
      @Lianpe98 Год назад

      @@briany990 There are plenty of "simple" failures in combustion cars that due to poor design are extremely hard or time consuming to fix and therefore expensive, like the oil gaskets in a northstar Cadillac or a modern BMW, there are also Audis that require dissasembling the entire front end, recent GM turbocharged 4 cylinders that are anything but easy to fix, the AWD system on any BMW or the infamous Ford 5.4 3 valve that is so expensive to repair when it fails that it's cheaper to simply replace the whole engine.
      My point is that it isn't the technology, it's the design and the quality. Mechanical components can be and often are extremely unreliable, complicated and expensive to fix.

  • @johngrodski4158
    @johngrodski4158 Год назад +13

    Roman held it together better than I would. If I spent the money for that thing, I would have gone ballistic

    • @droolguy
      @droolguy Год назад

      I would be willing to bet he did... before, during, and after... it just wasn't edited in.

  • @alexanderziomek9086
    @alexanderziomek9086 Год назад +2

    When I watch this it makes me grateful for my 2014 Subaru Outback.

    • @softwarephil1709
      @softwarephil1709 2 месяца назад

      I have a 2018 Forester XT that’s never needed service.

  • @Sinister_Scotty
    @Sinister_Scotty Год назад +1

    imagine getting out wheeled by a lifted CR-V with a amazon roof rack.

  • @anthonyalexander7246
    @anthonyalexander7246 Год назад +77

    I bet the CEO made over 50 million dollars for failure. The american way.

    • @davec.3198
      @davec.3198 Год назад +10

      Government Motors way.

    • @pistonburner6448
      @pistonburner6448 Год назад

      Serve the Chinese, serve yourself, screw everyone else...and don't think about how that will come back to bite your children in the ass. And land you in hell.

    • @hardtech1
      @hardtech1 Год назад +1

      Is it failure if it sells out?

    • @WW-wf8tu
      @WW-wf8tu Год назад +4

      @@davec.3198 Garbage Motors Way.

    • @mnolanco5599
      @mnolanco5599 Год назад +2

      @@hardtech1 yes it is still a failure if they sell out and none of them work

  • @JustSomeGuy641
    @JustSomeGuy641 Год назад +57

    LIKE A ROCK!!! Only twice as heavy as one with all them batterys...

    • @terryrogers8650
      @terryrogers8650 Год назад +12

      Like a Rock......It's always sittin still.. .............. Like a Rock.............Got to push it up the hill ............. like a rock! 🪨🪨🪨🪨

    • @RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS
      @RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS Год назад +1

      How about stuck on a Rock🤣

    • @JustSomeGuy641
      @JustSomeGuy641 Год назад +5

      @Usual Suspect Exterminator yep...only gayer

    • @donhappel9566
      @donhappel9566 Год назад +3

      @Usual Suspect Exterminator sure....yeah...no connection whatsoever....

    • @Digikidthevoiceofreason
      @Digikidthevoiceofreason Год назад

      Batteries *

  • @stealinghubcaps
    @stealinghubcaps Год назад +1

    love your vids! I get a giggle knowing my old $1000 1985 GMC K10 is as capable and has much less problems as your $125K fart barge!

  • @mopar_dude9227
    @mopar_dude9227 Год назад

    One of the doctors I work with bought one and has had a ton of trouble with both the air ride and 4 wheel drive system. One of the radiologist bought a Ram TRX about 2 month before and the doctor said his Hummer would destroy it. He hasn’t even been able to take it off road yet, but the TRX smoked it in an on road drag race. The Hummer is nothing but a waste of money unless the only thing you plan to do is drive to the mall or Walmart.

  • @bash6519
    @bash6519 Год назад +41

    I’d be more surprised if it had no issues. That truck went from development to release waaay too fast to inspire any confidence. They wanted to be first to market and the customers are paying the price.

    • @Neekogo
      @Neekogo Год назад

      At $100k

    • @davidthompson7817
      @davidthompson7817 Год назад

      @@usualsuspectexterminator8617And after seeing this who would want to risk their hard earned money on that!

  • @technologicallychallengedt8549

    Wow Roman from all the summary experiences you have had all negative you should not recommend none of GM's Hummer, is Rivian making a superior Off Road worthy pickup truck than GM's Hummer? It surely seems that way! Would love to see a Rivian pickup truck go through the same tough course! Thanks for your Excellent and honest reviews being up front telling the truth!!

  • @everydayliving1975
    @everydayliving1975 Год назад +1

    How long do you think this thing is going to last in years
    before it is going to have to be scraped?

  • @terryrogers8650
    @terryrogers8650 Год назад +10

    Like a Rock......It's always sittin still.. .............. Like a Rock.............Got to push it up the hill ............. like a rock! 🪨🪨🪨🪨

  • @dorothypeper1578
    @dorothypeper1578 Год назад +23

    A lot of the time the rear recovery rings that hang down will save you from scratching your hitch receiver or your bumper. It's a lot easier and cheaper to replace the recovery rings than it is to replace the hitch or re-paint a bumper.

    • @elblancochingon8138
      @elblancochingon8138 Год назад

      If you're worried about scratching recovery shackles you shouldn't be off road!

  • @dherrendoerfer
    @dherrendoerfer Год назад

    Is the added tingle an advertised feature ?

  • @tscotom
    @tscotom Год назад

    looks like your tyre pressure is a bit high. Watching Matt's Off-Road Recovery Channel, he says, he usually goes through most obstacles, whether sand, rocks, ledges etc., WITH ONLY 9 lbs. PSI of pressure. Your ride height/clearance will be less but grip is much better in all terrains.
    😃

    • @oldarkie3880
      @oldarkie3880 2 месяца назад

      Tire pressure has to be high. It weighs 9000 pounds.

  • @olanrewajuin2008
    @olanrewajuin2008 Год назад

    At least your hummer does one thing well, it beeps very nicely with different tones! 😉

  • @dalefrolander3583
    @dalefrolander3583 Год назад +34

    Love the videos, they keep reminding me why I bought the super reliable old school 4runner.

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss Год назад +1

      My 2007 accord v6 is the best vehicle I've ever owned and I don't know why I'd sell it if I can't even get another v6 that isn't more complex without paying 35 grand before sales tax at Toyota. I paid 3k for mine in pandemic and that was clearly undervalued. I think it's worth 9,999 but people think I'm crazy for saying it. They say it's worth 5k now but I think thats too low. A new corolla after an option or two and sales tax costs like 25k and it's a 1.8L 4 cylinder. My old accord seems more reliable, v6. So bigger smoother engine straining less to go faster all for a 5x less cost? Seems to me like my car is half undervalued. I can't believe I paid 3k. I would pay 10k for the same car in this market. Worth it. Best car ever. Probably going on another road trip soon haha! Honda doesn't make a v6 anymore. Only 2L turbo. Wears out quicker too I bet. Thats why my old car goes up in value and new cars go down. Honda should go back to the good old days

  • @alqindfx4835
    @alqindfx4835 8 месяцев назад

    Such a cool vehicle unfortunately RUclipsrs keep sleeping on it. I wish we get to see more videos showcasing its offroad capabilities. Yeah the software is a bit buggy but it shouldve been fixed by now right?