Mj messed up so many peoples careers got ppl thinking the 90s was weak lol Edit: yall Bron fans gotta stop trying to to put down MJ just to boost Lebron..very weak arguments in the comment section Extra edit: please come up with something better than Jordan’s competition was weak..the only thing weak is that argument
It’s true, Lebron only faced “champions” because they were able to beat him. MJ denied Drexler, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Miller, etc, so they look worse in retrospect. If Lebron didn’t lose to Dirk, Dirk wouldn’t be a champion. Etc…
@@justinr5989 Actually they were put into place to create more scoring and offense because fans didn’t want to see low scoring games. It had zero to do with anything Jordanesque and everything to do with making the game more exciting to more casual fans. Come on man. They created the rules to make players look more like Mike. Haha really. It’s shit like this that makes being an MJ fan hard sometimes. Haha wow. LOVED MJ growing up. Saw him 9 times in his prime including when he scored 20k @ the old Spectrum in Philly.
Word like they don't know about the starks and Oakley trap leading to a facial over my favorite player of all time Ewing or the ridiculous hang time going left and coming back with a reverse on the nets 😂😂😂
The 'Go Left' Conversation is such a silly convo... GO LOOK AT THE TAPE - Layed up with his left, went left, dunked with his left, shot A free throw with his left.... -- The footage is out there, disproving anyone that says Jordan couldn't go left.... oh yeah, he could pass with his left as well. 1. ruclips.net/video/I0Ki-hXm_lE/видео.html 2. ruclips.net/video/pr2G8Vg5dfM/видео.html 3. ruclips.net/video/rIFKOXHHZq0/видео.html 4. ruclips.net/video/iykYXfNmXZs/видео.html 5. ruclips.net/video/IErL0fs8GxU/видео.html 6. ruclips.net/video/-qCCm0V4hvw/видео.html There's more but I won't go any further Let us please stop with this SILLY MF'N Conversation for Good
Kenny doesn't get enough credit for his knowledge of basketball. He's was telling 100% facts. This generation started the disrespect. The older era never crapped on this generation or the era before them.
The only time I really don't like Kenny is when he's talking to Shaq and Charles like he was on their talent level. Kenny was a great player but he was not an NBA star and those two guys were among the greatest at their position of all time at the NBA level. It stems from his individual and success pre NBA.
Kenny's a hater who tries to boost himself up with the guys he holds court with now. No one respects kenny and his self-serving attitude. He needs to go
Prime Lebron couldn't handle old Kobe. Kobe used to bake his ass in their matchups, and yet folks thing Lebron is better than Jordan? Pfffft. Not. A . Chance.
Obviously lebron is just playing for stats. And how is he going to play defense? Floppers usually get defensive awards. Lol. And hes too big and heavy to flop
I dunno about him being forth fiddle and basketball knowledge going unnoticed. He was always the most detailed descriptive analyst on Inside the NBA. He even had his own segment every game using the green screen to break down play, just him. Out of the 4 hosts, I would say he was the most detailed and knowledgeable.
it's different when you have less than 30 seconds to offer a soundbyte following an entertaining personality like Chuck. when given the entire floor, he can go into his entire knowledge "bag" in depth...
@@jimmybrooks2000every player who’s been in the league was that guy lol. 99% of them are the star until they get to college or the league. He won an award and had accomplishments before the league so as a hooper he was that guy. He ain’t just a dude on the street preaching “if I didn’t get hurt” 😂😂
@@dacoda0211 That's not my point. My point is him saying "I can go to the champions party and 2 time champion party" so on and so forth. Yea he's a champion but we know why he's a champion. Like I said he was better than a lot of people think but he wasn't that guy in the NBA the way he made it sound
Neck and neck with Steph in every facet of shooting. Only difference is Steph is lacks conscience about pulling from 40 if he wanted. Literally the only difference. No one on that Cavs team I feared more than him when I was a Knicks fan. Had we not blown '92 vs. CHI, I ain't so certain we beat Cavs.
what set MJ apart is his big hands and 48"vert.. everything else can be copied but those god given gifts cannot be copied and if there was a player with both of those things it becomes hindrance to them.. kawhi with his big hands can do MJ esque things but the dude didnt have the athleticism and health MJ had
@@legenddaryl537I would have to disagree about that Kawhi statement. Even as big as his hands are he is still not palming the ball and doing the things that MJ did while palming the ball. MJ made an art form out of palming the ball that can't be duplicated at all. The same way MJ's game was artistry, his basketball palming was the same. Another level..
@@legenddaryl537I think people really miss how having luck in the genetic lottery really helps driven athletes. You're right, work ethic can actually be copied. And genetics can't. But what typically happens is that the work ethic isn't copied, while the genetics can't be.
If I had one game, it’s MJ. If I had a random game in February against any team, it’s MJ-he will actually show up and play. And for a playoff series, obviously it’s MJ. And longevity doesn’t mean crap if your last eight years have been touchless and flopping and sitting out and traveling all over the place…
yup longevity only matters if you are winning.. anyone can play through their 40's moreso today because of the lack of effort and all the rest the stars get.. MJ proved he still can play @40 averaging 20ppg thats with years of retirement.. lebron being a play-in team just proves he needs to retire
Kenny explaining the limitations put on his era by the rules, namely hand checking, goes right over this generation and Ant's head. They never saw perimeter guys operating back to basket.
The NBA is in such a rush to anoint the next face of the league that it's devaluing the game and the reputation of the players who actually shed blood, sweat, and tears, and worked regular jobs to feed their families while they pursued their dreams. They weren't compensated enough for the hard work and entertainment they provided as they built the NBA into the multi-billion dollar corporation it is today. When the Old School players retired, they left the game in a much better place than when they came into the league. The current NBA salaries are a testament to the foundation that was laid by Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul Jabar, George Mikan, Nate "Tiny" Archibald, Bob Cousy, Jerry West, Dr. J, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael "MJ" Jordan, and a plethora of great basketball players too many to mention. Unfortunately many youth of this generation are ungrateful or clueless to the wonderful sacrifice and the great players that persevered through hard times and played the game when there was no money in it because they LOVED the game of basketball. Yes they were garbage collectors, doctors, and mailmen, who paved the way, heck one basketball player from the New York Knicks retired and became a U. S. Senator for the state of New Jersey and also ran for the United States of America as a member of the Democratic Party losing the nomination to Vice President Al Gore. Senator Bill Bradley aka "Dollar Bill" was no scrub. He's a 2x NBA Champion with the NY Knicks, played twelve years in the league, averaged 12.4 ppg totaling 9217 points, 3.2 rpg totaling 2354 rebounds, 3.4 apg totaling 2533, won an Olympic Gold Medal in 1964, was the Most Outstanding Player in the 1965 NCAA tournament even though his team came in third place. Dollar Bill graduated from Princeton University and attended Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. He served his country in the US. in the Air Force branch of the military. He won numerous awards in his basketball journey, too many to number but here's a few: Mr. Basketball USA 1961, UPI College Player Of The Year 1965, AP College Player Of The Year 1965, 2x Sporting News Player Of The Year 1964, and 1965. Went across the sea and conquered Europe as a BUSF British University Champion 1966, and ABBA English National Champion 1966. His list of accomplishments goes on and on. Let me see Ant-Man, JJ Reddick, or any of this generation of NBA players put their resume against his resume. It wouldn't even be close. They could never compare themselves to him first of all they would have to graduate from college twice before they lace up their sneakers in the league. Ant-Man, JJ Reddick, and Gilbert Arenas better put some respect on the Old School NBA players' names and stop talking crazy. I salute the great Senator Dollar Bill Bradley (who represented my beloved NY Knicks team so well) and the rest of the pioneers of the NBA. P.S. Did I tell you that Dollar Bill is a member of the Basketball Hall Of Fame? 🎤 drop! As Kendrick Perkins would say, "Carry On!" 😂😂😂😂😂
Back to the basket, 30 feet from the rim. Not even posting up, just getting to the top of the circle trying to set up the offense, looking over your shoulder.
One of my dad’s cousins got to coach Dennis Rodman when he was in college at Southeastern Oklahoma State University… he said he had never seen an athlete before, and had never coached one since, like Dennis. He could score like crazy in college, but what set him apart was that he could and would* out-work absolutely *everybody* in the gym, outside the gym, or anywhere else. He had a motor that never stopped. He’d run* to do things that he didn’t even need to run to or run for, just because he was “bored” or thought he could push himself more. He said they didn’t have enough weights in the weight room for the other guys to lift while Dennis was in there lifting, and there wasn’t anybody they played against who he couldn’t move… even in 83-86 when he looked skinny as a rail. He might have been a “specialist” in rebounding, but what he was able to do on both ends of the floor man-handling the other teams’ most physically dominant players was also a speciality… just think about it: if a team had a rim protector like Mutombo or Shaq or David Robinson or Patrick Ewing, you just throw Dennis down there on him on offense* and let him screen that guy and maul him and wrestle him and wear him down all game, and when Isaiah Thomas or Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan attacks the rim, Dennis pins that guy to give the attacker that extra half-step or full step advantage. Rodman could have scored more in the NBA if their teams would have needed him to… that just wasn’t what helped his teams the most.
Those who say Jordan couldnt go left automatically go to the bottom of people who really know basketball. Jordan has been killing and going left since I was watching him at UNC and got in the league. All the reporters tried saying Jordan doesnt play defense, he would never win a championship being a scoring leader, he can only dunk and has no jumpshot and that he couldnt go left. MJ was super nicw with his left hand and using the left side of court as well. Anyone who says Jordan couldnt go left obviously has never watched a single game of MJs career and their validity of a subject matter expert is debunked since they are just spewing misnomers about Jordan.
@@RodneyPillows Thing is, it's easy to find clips of a players' worst nights and just put them together then claim that's how it was for an entire career. Anyone who grew up watching Jordan knows, the guy was a SAVAGE with his left.
Remember, lebron didn’t make the playoffs until they eliminated hand checking. To playaz: you can call me a casual, but the fact is hand checking was banned in 2004.
@@leonardjackson6210 yeah but nobody expected Jordan to win a championship when Scottie was a rookie, people really trying to say Lebron should’ve won a championship with Larry Hughes as his second option lol.
The NBA has become a Globetrotter/And1 league for a while now. I have been calling the NBA the Globetrotter league for at least the past 5 years or so.
If I was Kenny the first thing I would have said was, "The biggest reason I have two rings isn't because I played with Hakeem, it's because Jordan left to go play baseball."
@@mj23goat3Hakeem and his Rockets where the Bulls nemesis. They have a losing record against them in the regular season, every year they won the chips. I am aware that there is a difference between the regular season and the finals, but it's not that far off. To say that he loses his credibility is.
Imagine trying to guard Hakeem, Shaq, Bird, The Doctor, or MJ with NO hand checking? Hell, they couldn't be guarded WITH hand-checking! And no, Lebron would not be a better defender back then. Defending takes EFFORT, and Lebron gets way too much credit for his occasional block from behind, and is far too inconsistent with his effort be a good defender even today, much less in the 80's or 90's.
Anybody would be a star in the NBA now. Let's say, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, Jason Terry, Darius Miles, Corey Magettee, Ricky Davis, Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green, Michael Beastly and my man Nate Robinson.
MJ had alot of people... even coaches mind-f'd. Pip was equally credible on defense and he had the advantage of being physically longer with much longer arms. Pip was a defensive nightmare and could guard 1-5. MJ was not physically equipped to guard 1-5. The key to those rings was Pip. MJ could ball out of control, score 63 points... and all of that... but still get swept. If I was coaching against the Bulls I woulda let MJ get 80 points... and watch him lose, just like those earlier teams did when MJ had a 1-9 playoff record.
@@kaydub7079 lol you talking like when pippen came, they started winning. You realize they still lost for the next 4 years with pippen right? Pippen came in averaging 7pts a game. Pippen was on the bench when Mike hit that game winner in Cleveland. Pippen was on the bench in 91 finals fouled out when Mike hit that clutch shot over divac and sent them to it then went on to score most of Chicago's points while holding magic to zero assist and zero buckets in ot. Pippen was out half the season in 98 with back issues and rodman was coming off the bench in the finals while pippen had a bad back when Mike carried them to their 6th ring. Every player needs help. But to act like pippen is just as good as Michael is just insane. Pippen played his part and did it well. Look up their averages in the playoffs and finals and you tell me who was more important. Pippen lead in more blocks and rebounds while Michael lead in everything else literally while carrying almost 2/3 of the offense.
@@TheRealMindCrimehe truly did. He let the game come to him and he scored so much more easily. Actually he did everything more easily as he got older. He did not have to expend anywhere near the type of energy he did his first three or four years. And I know, yes, a lot of that was due to Scottie's development.
And _that's_ when longevity becomes impressive. Not because you're still physically able and athletic (not that he wasn't both, but it wasn't nearly as extreme) due to spending millions of dollars on your body and having access to modern medical tech... but because you can truly adapt your game to fit changing circumstances, and do it so well that you become even _more_ dominant. That was Michael Jordan. Larry Bird, too.
I say this since MJ only played 15 seasons take away the 6 rings and match up with LeBron in 15 and compare if LeBron isn't out matching him in 15, the discussion is over. Keep holding on to longevity so what, Kareem played 20. So now LeBron going to play 21-22 seasons so he could earn that stat meaninglessly. LeBron is a great player he's just not the GOAT and theres nothing wrong with that.
Correction MJ actually played 13 1/2 years, 18 games his second year and 17 games in his first comeback 35 games not even half a season. He is fifth in all time scoring in only 1072 games. Every one above him is over 1300 games and played 20 years. He is second in scoring 5987 in playoff games with 179 while James over 8100 points in 287 games. Numbers don’t lie!
@@ajsavage9585 MJ didn't care about 3 pointers, and he played in a era where the 3 pt shooter was just a specialist not a all around player, and despite that he was average at it without focus.
@@ajsavage9585 You said all that like I said, Whatever number of years you put up, in those number of years, starting from both rookies does he beat out MJ period? Forget about the championship, I'll say no more.
@yeelahowah7476 I'm a day one on Jrue... He puts in the work. He's fundamentally strong on both sides of the ball. Curry to me is more a 2 on the court.
It feels so good seing the older players snap back. I hate hearing people my age say that older players were bums. Also I feel like more players should spend more time in college. There's a reason why so many one and done players struggled so much
its the start of the decline when they started letting HS players play in the NBA.. KOBE as great as he is even in HS needed time to mature in the NBA.. most of these players needed time to improve even lebron wasnt a complete player.. Lebron doesnt have post moves + cant shoot middies thats because he played with HS players who he can bulldoze everytime.. yes his athleticism translated in the NBA but boy his flaws stands out..
@@legenddaryl537dude I disagree both Kobe and Lebron were special and were league ready. That doesn’t speak for everyone else tho. The overall talent today is watered down aside from shooting which is next level today. This is why we can’t have hs kids anymore.
@@shootthejay7002 7ppg was nba ready for you? even kobe's 2nd year he still wasnt nba ready.. yeah bron was different but he had all the freedom in the world because their team was never expected to win anything but because of that lebrons game never developed until he hunted for rings..
For sure. I like that he got up and demonstrated it. He's dead on about it. Things were much tougher when we had to have our backs to the basket at all times
As big of a deal as it was, it was a rough transition for referees, and you can see it in the film. Very little changed for a good 2 or 3 years after the rule was added. For me the bigger impact was when Adam Silver became comissionner, but these former players are afraid to say it. There is a bigger difference between David Stern's NBA and Adam Silver's NBA than the difference between 2000-05 NBA and 2006-10 NBA.
And I’ll add to that by saying no players outside of Lebron and Melos numbers went up after the new rule - HOWEVER, they were also 2nd year players. And if you have watched ball long enough, you know that top draft picks always take a jump in their 2nd year. If the league just started scoring in troves I'd take Kenny's argument, but real ball handlers learned how to deal with handchecks ages ago thanks to Rod and Penny. The off-arm is key, as is pacing. The real issue is guys are allowed to carry, push off, take several steps, and the defense cant do anything about it without being called for a tech. The only defense you can play is offball where the ref isnt really looking
Hand checking was always against the rules. They just never enforced it until the corporate sponsors told Stern to open it up if they were going to invest in the league.
Kenny mic dropped! I literally tried to google 3 times when the term 2-way player was created and applied. You didn't play both sides of the floor, you didn't play period, even in the playgrounds.
Recently one guy commented that Lebron 10 finals. I said ok Jerry West 10 finals. His response BUT JERRY DIDNT WIN 4. I responded Lebron didn’t win 5 like Magic didn’t win 6 like MJ. Suddenly with Jerry West the winning ratio matters but not if person has more rings than Lebron lol
I love this, 1982 was my graduating class. Dwanye "Pearl" Washington, Mark Jackson & Kenny Smith were all in my graduation class, all three were High School All-Americans. I was blessed to receive All-City Honorable Mention in 1981, blew out my knee in the beginning of my 1982 senior campaign. I was cut in the last round from Riverside Church, Gauchos, and even some CYO & PAL teams as a 14, 15, and even 16 year old (late bloomer) and under teams growing up in NYC. Much respect for the game of basketball and how challenging it was with all the talented ball players coming out of NYC alone. Shout out to all the greats that never made it to college or the pros !!!
kobe was a "roamer" on D. He even admitted it in the " Kobe Doin Work" documentary. Saying quote " I'm like a free safety on defense. Much like Jordan, however I think Jordan and Kobe's tendencies on D had more to do with mirroring Phil's Defensive Philosophy for both players individually. Just my take. With that being said both were exceptional on-ball defenders don't get it twisted. But I believe Jordan to be the more quick-footed disciplined defender. MJ was definitely more fundamentally sound on D.
I thought of that exact match-up while Kenny was talking. Joe D takes a break and the Microwave comes on and blasts threes from range. Vinny Johnson would be a star now, back then he was a role player.
🫡 It's all laughable now because once IamtheGOAT retires all stats and accomplishments become both Historical and Comparable. He knows it won't even be close and likely he doesn't even finish 2nd behind Jordan. Not to mention that the NBA Commish has fully admitted after last year's AllStar Game that he designed the League to be Defenseless which means LBJ should have way more scoring titles, rebounds and MVPs. How did Joker get those MVP awards over him if he's a walking GOAT 😅
Defensive 3 won’t matter when everyone in a 5 out. The biggest change in rules they haven’t addressed was illegal defense. This forced one on one matchup with no strong side help. No zoning up in 90’s. Once the early 2000’a hit and zone was allowed then it became the hardest defensive era in basketball. 2012’ish they changed rules to make it more exciting and now we have the broken product today of 140 pt games
And don't forget, Dr J used to play at parks as a professional. Of COURSE we was doing tricks in the 70's! hehe...but yeah, nothing's changed. These kids need to go look at the And1 players. Rafer "Skip 2my Lou" Alston went from that TO the NBA.
If today's players are better than players from the 80s and 90s then why does Lebron James and Steph Curry pay $50k for footwork lessons with Hakeem Olajuwon? When I recently heard of that I went, "Kids today have no idea what skill is."
Exactly! How come the self-proclaimed goat can’t learn by just observing all of those Hakeem’s footworks. Jordan learned by just watching on the sidelines from his idols. Maybe it’s true that Lebron got stuck always on the first pages of the books that he’s reading.
I've Been saying this. It's because the media is pushing his legacy and his dumbass face everywhere, even when we don't want it. Kobe will be ranked higher when all is said and done......by anyone who knows even the smallest amount about basketball.
What the NBA did through its rule changes was make the game substantially easier today. If you take away hand checking and contact, stop enforcing traveling and carrying rules, implement a 3 second rule that removes the rim protectors from the paint, enforce "freedom of movement" rules, all to artificially prop up scoring, the result is a less difficult game and a dillution of skill. That is why older players are getting attacked as "plumbers" (lol) because there is a defensiveness about the quality of the contemporary game.
well if they really want to know who was the better player the NBA can always bring back those rules.. hand checking, traveling and we will truly see that average players now would be average or below before
This is the NBA's fault, by changing the game so much defensively, they have cheated this generation of true competition and robbed you all of your place in the pantheon of NBA GOATs.
It’s not about competition anymore, it’s about entertainment, we old guys were entertained by competition, these new folks never seen or participated in real grimy competition, they are all friends and are even friends with their coaches🤣which is weird to me.
It always drives me nuts when anyone says lefraud has such a high iq, like what… flopping? Charging shoulder or elbow out almost tackling to get his constant lame layups with a free throw he’s bound to miss and he will still complain about the call as always? Complaining about every single call, even when it doesn’t involve him or his team negatively? Standing around on defense? Cheating the game in just about every way possible is his high iq.
His basketball IQ is so high good players, play better when they're not on his team. The statement about LeBron I hate is, "He makes other players better." Like he's Magic Johnson or something. Joker has a better impact on the game offensively than LeBron has ever had. And he's a younger player. We have to stop this.
Great video by you and mark jack/kenny jet. Broke it down well. But u basically called out everything he said before he even said it. Goat stuff lol keep posting bro.
Thats what I think which is really messed up when they was supposed 2 be such good friends supposedly. If he was as great as he says he is he would've nvr said that and differed 2 Kobe or whoever was killing it at da time. But no big dumb lefossil said that 1 right there made me the goat lol please lol maybe the lazyiest all time always leaving his team 4 on 5
@@rikogreen7596idk about millions lol. Lebron is only popular in America because of all the media he paid to talk about him. He is relatively small outside America compared to MJ and Kobe. That’s also why nba viewership is falling drastically, because today’s basketball and face of the league isn’t it.
This was a good conversation. I really liked Mark’s comment at the end. We have a lot of people that have messed up priorities. We have people that are more worried about protecting animals than they are human beings.
Great commentary, you didn't get in the way of the conversation between the two New York City basketball legends Kenny "The Jet" Smith, the always steady floor general Mark "Action" Jackson, and his son/co-host Blue. I was born and raised in Harlem, New York City and heard all of the noise that Mark and Kenny was making in the city due to their basketball prowess. They both represented the city very well in their basketball careers and made the city proud. Salute to Kenny and Mark. 👏
As a native New Yorker, growing up in the 80s and 90s, who has so much respect for Kenny the Jet and Mark Jack, no lies was told in this video. Also, at 40 years old, give me 3 months of intense conditioning and I drop 25 pounds, I would bust any guard in the Powder Puff league ass todayz including Stef Curry, straight up. Real talk. At 40. I play against people who made it to the NBA before they made it. And one more than, if he would have taken defense as serious as his offense, Melo Anthony would be the second most complete player of all time. He was an offensive monster. I am the same age as them and played against some of the players they played against.
Bro I believe you..I went to a game at 40 and I was like heck no..put me in the game and I'll break the internet..I kept telling girl..this guy's are avg..I would destroy them..I know I would...
@@Shigami-lb6oc FACTS ALL DAY BRO! These guys in the league today are trash. Bro, we could start a 40 year old team, in shape of course, and bust their ass any day of the week.
Oh my gosh??? Imagine Michael Jeffrey Jordan being able to dribble face up with the hand check not allowed in todays game?!?! Are they freaking kidding me!?!? 84-98 MJ would've definitely averaged 40+ a night!!! Hell, even Larry Bird with no hand check??? Larry would have 30 at the half on any of these kids, all from long range too, just to prove a point... 💯
If you are a lazy defender now, you would be a lazy defender in the past. Lebron or any of today's superstars would not automatically be better players. Just because you're a grown man in 2024 does not mean you could beat your pops at the same age in 1993 or your grandfather in 1963 🤣
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Man, I love your stuff. Definitely subscribing now. You are correct. The RULES is allowing all this trash. I just don’t believe the players today could cut it, technically or mentally.
I really think a lot of people, similar to this guy asking the questions, don’t have the same definition as most of us for the “GREATEST OF ALL TIME”. I think what they’re thinking is greatest career of all time maybe? Which at that point it just comes down to maybe what you value more, or put more weight on. Like championships (which should be top), stats, longevity, and so on. Where as in contrast my definition has always just been who is the best ever at that sport? And did they play long enough, did we get to see enough of them, to hands down put them as the GOaT? Before Jordan had even won a single title I would have already said he was the greatest basketball player that ever lived….and to me (and most of us I think) that’s the GOAT.
I haven't played basketball for 25 years, for physical reasons. I can do anything with a basketball. For these young, fragile, basketballers of today to say someone from back in the day can't play today is the dumbest thing ever said. These guys have talent. Talent is not skill. There's a reason only Luka and Kyrie can create their own offense. There's a reason, when defense is allowed, only a few guys can create their own shot. They are not playing basketball today. They are playing pick up basketball. If you don't know what that is... you don't know basketball.
Yeah, I never liked the idea that when we put the old school players in today's era and just ignore all the advancements athletes have as if they wouldn't benefit. Again most of us Jordan guys do not ignore Jordan's losses...his wins just over shadow the losses.
exactly. even just as humans because of the advancements in medical science we typical survive to much older age than we used to. That doesn't mean that the 1900's humans had no skills in survival lol
This is simple. If you went from a tough environment to an easy one, you will succeed. If you go from an easy environment to a hard one, well I can't say the same.
This was awesome, could listen to this convo all day... Its funny, Id love to know how many of lebrons games these fans who proclaim him to be the goat have actually watched... Higher or lower than 50% of them... I'd put my house on the line it's lower than even 25% of his games, coz let's face it, Lebron was box office must watch TV for maybe the first 3 years of his career, an most of that was down to mere curiosity of seeing a highschooler play the game as well as he did. Mj on the other hand, 30 years later, and I'm still Watching all the games I missed on RUclips 😂
Just think about how the Olympic team struggled physically against Joker's team. Every game was like that physically back then. A team full of all-stars struggled against that, and those weren't even NBA players.
Payton, Jason Kid, Stockton, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Vince Carter, Latrell Sprewell, Dana Barros, Terry Porter, John Starks, Eddie Jones, Vin Baker, Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Glen Rice, Chris Webber, Chris Mullin, Mark Price, Mookie Blaylock, Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Alonzo Mourning, Mitch Richmond, Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler, Mutombo, Joe Dumars, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Shaq Attack, Pippen, Olajuwon, Barkley, Rodman, Karl Malone, David Robinson! Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!????????
Kenny and Mark has weight in their words. They’ve seen the eras, played in the eras, and seen the changes. They been around the game and know how it changed. They aren’t hating but a fair assessment is being made.
ok ok, lets get real here. i totally agree with what Kenny is saying that the older players had more diverse talent where today they have specialists. Honestly though in today's game Kenny himself would be a superstar because of his 3 point accuracy. That dependency on that shot would make decent shooters from role players to stars in this era.
Yea, just being able to hand check wouldnt make u a better defender. You still have to fight through screens, you gotta pickup full court. When i was a kid, point guards picked up full court. Thats why 7footers like giannis can bring the ball up. Back in the day he would have some lil pesky point guard picking him up full court, giving him pressure and trying to get steals. Now? He can walk the ball up and people are like "wow look at how skilled he is".
Lebron is the GOaT of one thing and that’s undisputed… he has the most power in terms of controlling teams and his destiny compared to any other player that has played in the NBA… and that’s including Jordan. People forget that the Bulls were broken up by Jerry Krause the GM. Lebron has to control the team (or he leaves like in Miami)…
THE LEAGUE HELPED THAT BUM OUT CUSS THEY KNEW IF IT STAYED THE SAME WIT THE 1ST 8 TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THAT BUM WOULDN'T MAKE IT SO THEY CAME UP WIT THE PLAY IN TOURNAMENT WHICH AINT FAIR TO THE 7TH AND 8TH SEED CUSS THEY CAN FINISH IN THEM SLOTS AND STILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ITS SUPER STUPID AND UNFAIR PERIOD
I can't respect a league where 20 out of 30 teams are in the postseason. Less urgency in the regular season, star players disappointing fans by taking way too many games off. It's the opposite of what baseball used to be....4 teams in the postseason.
@@jammiebooker6489and you see how all this is coming towards the tail end of lebron career ? It’s crazy people are blind to this…just to say “lebron made the playoffs at 39 40 Mike couldn’t” they always have excuses for lebron it’s so crazy
@@Judahdabutcher9 I feel you. The fact is one is secure in his legacy and the other isn't. And all the gimmicks (in season tournament banners, Olympics MVP, etc) won't change that.
Why is Lebron always brought up in these conversations?. He would be an average player in the 90s. Maybe. Longevity is only a small part of what makes someone the GOAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FUNDAMENTALS AND NOT TRAVEL EVERYTIME YOU HAVE THE BALL!!!!!
The problem with Lebron is his behavior, lack of responsibility and even fundamentals. His unacceptable antics would send him on bench or worse kicked out of that old school NBA.
When Kenny says it makes you better he is referring to statistically. Which means modern TOV should have gone down but these modern guys are sloppy passers.
Mj messed up so many peoples careers got ppl thinking the 90s was weak lol
Edit: yall Bron fans gotta stop trying to to put down MJ just to boost Lebron..very weak arguments in the comment section
Extra edit: please come up with something better than Jordan’s competition was weak..the only thing weak is that argument
It’s true, Lebron only faced “champions” because they were able to beat him. MJ denied Drexler, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Miller, etc, so they look worse in retrospect. If Lebron didn’t lose to Dirk, Dirk wouldn’t be a champion. Etc…
@@justinr5989lol!! He’ll yeah. I’ve never seen it from this point of view
Facts
@@justinr5989 and now those players are considered weak and they say Dirks 2011 Mavs was a powerhouse..gimme a break
@@justinr5989LeBron hooked up to win his first championships
And the rule changes were just designed to elicit more Jordanesque highlights, letting today’s players *appear* to be capable of what MJ did.
Exactly! They were blindsided when Mike retired and knew the league would take a hit.
They even named mr Poole, Jordan..
EXACTLY
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@@justinr5989 Actually they were put into place to create more scoring and offense because fans didn’t want to see low scoring games. It had zero to do with anything Jordanesque and everything to do with making the game more exciting to more casual fans. Come on man. They created the rules to make players look more like Mike. Haha really. It’s shit like this that makes being an MJ fan hard sometimes. Haha wow. LOVED MJ growing up. Saw him 9 times in his prime including when he scored 20k @ the old Spectrum in Philly.
Them looking at each other after the can Jordan go left question and laughing was hilarious and priceless. 😂😂😂 💯
it really was!!! That's was so unexpected of a question for me too while reacting.
Word like they don't know about the starks and Oakley trap leading to a facial over my favorite player of all time Ewing or the ridiculous hang time going left and coming back with a reverse on the nets 😂😂😂
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Deez kids are crazy
The 'Go Left' Conversation is such a silly convo... GO LOOK AT THE TAPE - Layed up with his left, went left, dunked with his left, shot A free throw with his left.... -- The footage is out there, disproving anyone that says Jordan couldn't go left.... oh yeah, he could pass with his left as well.
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There's more but I won't go any further
Let us please stop with this SILLY MF'N Conversation for Good
Ron Harper would be a max player today in his prime
he was so good pre injury!
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Utah jazz would have at least forced a game 7 if it weren't for Harper's defense. He was so good in every aspect and never gave up on a play.
Even Bryant Reeves would be a Max player today. They pay so much money to role players nowadays in the current NBA.
Besides his stuttering he would be a max player and star on a team today. Respect Ronnie
Kenny doesn't get enough credit for his knowledge of basketball. He's was telling 100% facts. This generation started the disrespect. The older era never crapped on this generation or the era before them.
yeah I kinda like this side of Kenny. Podcast Kenny would definitely be something I'd watch
My man said and so was the globetrotters 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The only time I really don't like Kenny is when he's talking to Shaq and Charles like he was on their talent level. Kenny was a great player but he was not an NBA star and those two guys were among the greatest at their position of all time at the NBA level. It stems from his individual and success pre NBA.
Kenny's a hater who tries to boost himself up with the guys he holds court with now. No one respects kenny and his self-serving attitude. He needs to go
That's a lie. That's all they do is hate. They mad these players now are getting paid out the ass.
I disagree. Forget defense, even on offense, Lebron is nowhere near MJ.
Prime Lebron couldn't handle old Kobe. Kobe used to bake his ass in their matchups, and yet folks thing Lebron is better than Jordan? Pfffft. Not. A . Chance.
@@UtoobzzCouldn't even shut down JJ barea and Jason Terry 😂 and these bronsexuals think LBJ can guard 1-5
Obviously lebron is just playing for stats. And how is he going to play defense? Floppers usually get defensive awards. Lol. And hes too big and heavy to flop
Kenny has been playing fourth fiddle to others so long, it kinda goes unnoticed how sharp of a mind he has and how much he knows ball
He's better than a lot of people know but him calling himself "that guy" was a reach lmao
I dunno about him being forth fiddle and basketball knowledge going unnoticed. He was always the most detailed descriptive analyst on Inside the NBA. He even had his own segment every game using the green screen to break down play, just him. Out of the 4 hosts, I would say he was the most detailed and knowledgeable.
it's different when you have less than 30 seconds to offer a soundbyte following an entertaining personality like Chuck. when given the entire floor, he can go into his entire knowledge "bag" in depth...
@@jimmybrooks2000every player who’s been in the league was that guy lol. 99% of them are the star until they get to college or the league. He won an award and had accomplishments before the league so as a hooper he was that guy. He ain’t just a dude on the street preaching “if I didn’t get hurt” 😂😂
@@dacoda0211 That's not my point. My point is him saying "I can go to the champions party and 2 time champion party" so on and so forth. Yea he's a champion but we know why he's a champion. Like I said he was better than a lot of people think but he wasn't that guy in the NBA the way he made it sound
Mark Price would give these dudes the blues if he played with todays rules 😊
Dude Price was so good!
Glad someone mentioned Mark Price.
Neck and neck with Steph in every facet of shooting. Only difference is Steph is lacks conscience about pulling from 40 if he wanted. Literally the only difference. No one on that Cavs team I feared more than him when I was a Knicks fan. Had we not blown '92 vs. CHI, I ain't so certain we beat Cavs.
What actually sets MJ apart are his actual skills. He has so many skills.
And what set LeBron apart is his IQ
what set MJ apart is his big hands and 48"vert.. everything else can be copied but those god given gifts cannot be copied and if there was a player with both of those things it becomes hindrance to them.. kawhi with his big hands can do MJ esque things but the dude didnt have the athleticism and health MJ had
@@legenddaryl537I would have to disagree about that Kawhi statement. Even as big as his hands are he is still not palming the ball and doing the things that MJ did while palming the ball. MJ made an art form out of palming the ball that can't be duplicated at all. The same way MJ's game was artistry, his basketball palming was the same. Another level..
He couldn’t go left
@@legenddaryl537I think people really miss how having luck in the genetic lottery really helps driven athletes. You're right, work ethic can actually be copied. And genetics can't. But what typically happens is that the work ethic isn't copied, while the genetics can't be.
Lebron fans be moving the goalposts so much 😂😂😂😂
If I had one game, it’s MJ. If I had a random game in February against any team, it’s MJ-he will actually show up and play. And for a playoff series, obviously it’s MJ.
And longevity doesn’t mean crap if your last eight years have been touchless and flopping and sitting out and traveling all over the place…
An on roids
And only playing one side of the ball while the rebounds just fall to where you stand since you’re not defending either the paint or the corner.
yup longevity only matters if you are winning.. anyone can play through their 40's moreso today because of the lack of effort and all the rest the stars get.. MJ proved he still can play @40 averaging 20ppg thats with years of retirement.. lebron being a play-in team just proves he needs to retire
@@J23LA24 Spot on
and 60 games a year.
As a complete basketball player, even penny hardaway was more complete than lebron, how is he 1 or 2
Simple.. hes not
@@nathanmckenzie904 indeed
Even Grant Hill...how is Lebum one or two?
@@nathanmckenzie904not even close 🤷🏽♂️
he's not
Kenny explaining the limitations put on his era by the rules, namely hand checking, goes right over this generation and Ant's head. They never saw perimeter guys operating back to basket.
And then there are guys that goes illegal defense.
I'll trade the illegal defense for the clothesline as they get in the paint and not get a flagrant.
John Stockton would avg 30 pts and 20 assist in today's game, Jordan would probably a good 45 and shoot 65% from the field.
The NBA is in such a rush to anoint the next face of the league that it's devaluing the game and the reputation of the players who actually shed blood, sweat, and tears, and worked regular jobs to feed their families while they pursued their dreams. They weren't compensated enough for the hard work and entertainment they provided as they built the NBA into the multi-billion dollar corporation it is today. When the Old School players retired, they left the game in a much better place than when they came into the league. The current NBA salaries are a testament to the foundation that was laid by Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul Jabar, George Mikan, Nate "Tiny" Archibald, Bob Cousy, Jerry West, Dr. J, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael "MJ" Jordan, and a plethora of great basketball players too many to mention. Unfortunately many youth of this generation are ungrateful or clueless to the wonderful sacrifice and the great players that persevered through hard times and played the game when there was no money in it because they LOVED the game of basketball. Yes they were garbage collectors, doctors, and mailmen, who paved the way, heck one basketball player from the New York Knicks retired and became a U. S. Senator for the state of New Jersey and also ran for the United States of America as a member of the Democratic Party losing the nomination to Vice President Al Gore. Senator Bill Bradley aka "Dollar Bill" was no scrub. He's a 2x NBA Champion with the NY Knicks, played twelve years in the league, averaged 12.4 ppg totaling 9217 points, 3.2 rpg totaling 2354 rebounds, 3.4 apg totaling 2533, won an Olympic Gold Medal in 1964, was the Most Outstanding Player in the 1965 NCAA tournament even though his team came in third place. Dollar Bill graduated from Princeton University and attended Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. He served his country in the US. in the Air Force branch of the military. He won numerous awards in his basketball journey, too many to number but here's a few: Mr. Basketball USA 1961, UPI College Player Of The Year 1965, AP College Player Of The Year 1965, 2x Sporting News Player Of The Year 1964, and 1965. Went across the sea and conquered Europe as a BUSF British University Champion 1966, and ABBA English National Champion 1966. His list of accomplishments goes on and on. Let me see Ant-Man, JJ Reddick, or any of this generation of NBA players put their resume against his resume. It wouldn't even be close. They could never compare themselves to him first of all they would have to graduate from college twice before they lace up their sneakers in the league. Ant-Man, JJ Reddick, and Gilbert Arenas better put some respect on the Old School NBA players' names and stop talking crazy. I salute the great Senator Dollar Bill Bradley (who represented my beloved NY Knicks team so well) and the rest of the pioneers of the NBA. P.S. Did I tell you that Dollar Bill is a member of the Basketball Hall Of Fame? 🎤 drop! As Kendrick Perkins would say, "Carry On!" 😂😂😂😂😂
I think Anthony Edwards is a phenomenal physical talent but there is nothing about that dude that makes me think he is intelligent.
Back to the basket, 30 feet from the rim. Not even posting up, just getting to the top of the circle trying to set up the offense, looking over your shoulder.
Great vid. Kenny Smith had me in stitches 😂
There is only one true "specialist" player I can think of in NBA history, and that's Dennis Rodman.
One of my dad’s cousins got to coach Dennis Rodman when he was in college at Southeastern Oklahoma State University… he said he had never seen an athlete before, and had never coached one since, like Dennis. He could score like crazy in college, but what set him apart was that he could and would* out-work absolutely *everybody* in the gym, outside the gym, or anywhere else.
He had a motor that never stopped.
He’d run* to do things that he didn’t even need to run to or run for, just because he was “bored” or thought he could push himself more.
He said they didn’t have enough weights in the weight room for the other guys to lift while Dennis was in there lifting, and there wasn’t anybody they played against who he couldn’t move… even in 83-86 when he looked skinny as a rail.
He might have been a “specialist” in rebounding, but what he was able to do on both ends of the floor man-handling the other teams’ most physically dominant players was also a speciality… just think about it: if a team had a rim protector like Mutombo or Shaq or David Robinson or Patrick Ewing, you just throw Dennis down there on him on offense* and let him screen that guy and maul him and wrestle him and wear him down all game, and when Isaiah Thomas or Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan attacks the rim, Dennis pins that guy to give the attacker that extra half-step or full step advantage.
Rodman could have scored more in the NBA if their teams would have needed him to… that just wasn’t what helped his teams the most.
Those who say Jordan couldnt go left automatically go to the bottom of people who really know basketball. Jordan has been killing and going left since I was watching him at UNC and got in the league. All the reporters tried saying Jordan doesnt play defense, he would never win a championship being a scoring leader, he can only dunk and has no jumpshot and that he couldnt go left. MJ was super nicw with his left hand and using the left side of court as well. Anyone who says Jordan couldnt go left obviously has never watched a single game of MJs career and their validity of a subject matter expert is debunked since they are just spewing misnomers about Jordan.
They have a video said "MJs handles was wack. He couldn't go left" goggle it. Now he cleaning it up because Mark Jackson woulda shut that B.S. down
@@RodneyPillows Thing is, it's easy to find clips of a players' worst nights and just put them together then claim that's how it was for an entire career.
Anyone who grew up watching Jordan knows, the guy was a SAVAGE with his left.
Different podcast Kenny said Jordan didn’t have great handle in college. Over the summer Jordan comes back with great handles.
Scouting report for MJ. Good Luck lol. There was no weakness listed, just good luck
It's a damn shame he couldn't go left but was dominate!
Remember, lebron didn’t make the playoffs until they eliminated hand checking. To playaz: you can call me a casual, but the fact is hand checking was banned in 2004.
And when Larry Hughes got there
@@potenteon2028Larry Hughes was trash 💀
He couldnt get FG% over 50 until the league implemented gather steps to make Lebron’s crab dribble legal.
@@jaydot4956 So was Scottie Pippen his 1st couple years... don't stop Bron fans sayin MJ was 1-9.
@@leonardjackson6210 yeah but nobody expected Jordan to win a championship when Scottie was a rookie, people really trying to say Lebron should’ve won a championship with Larry Hughes as his second option lol.
The NBA has become a Globetrotter/And1 league for a while now. I have been calling the NBA the Globetrotter league for at least the past 5 years or so.
Too many low basketball IQ specialists, yet they swear today's players are better. HOW?
I think the NBA isso close to become NBE, exactly like what happened to WWF😂😂😂
If I was Kenny the first thing I would have said was, "The biggest reason I have two rings isn't because I played with Hakeem, it's because Jordan left to go play baseball."
Kenny don't believe that he already said they would've beat Chicago
@@otisyoungblood And that's where Kenny shoots away a bunch of his credibility.
Yup. And Screaming for Vengeance kicks ass, like almost everything else Priest ever did.
@@mj23goat3Hakeem and his Rockets where the Bulls nemesis. They have a losing record against them in the regular season, every year they won the chips. I am aware that there is a difference between the regular season and the finals, but it's not that far off. To say that he loses his credibility is.
They use to dominate the Bulls when they played. Who would have stopped Hakeem? Let that sink in.
Imagine trying to guard Hakeem, Shaq, Bird, The Doctor, or MJ with NO hand checking? Hell, they couldn't be guarded WITH hand-checking!
And no, Lebron would not be a better defender back then. Defending takes EFFORT, and Lebron gets way too much credit for his occasional block from behind, and is far too inconsistent with his effort be a good defender even today, much less in the 80's or 90's.
Mike used to wipe away the hand check like he was trying to break a dudes wrist. He was a killer.
Toni Kukoc would kill today
Yeah he would!
Yep!!!
Anybody would be a star in the NBA now. Let's say, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, Jason Terry, Darius Miles, Corey Magettee, Ricky Davis, Gerald Wallace, Jeff Green, Michael Beastly and my man Nate Robinson.
Would torch in todays NBA
Nonsense
Smith played point in the NBA you can't be stupid and play that position they also called him the Jet nuff said
Notice Kenny said his nba coach Rudy T would avoid Michael's side defensively and not Scottie's.
MJ was a beast on defense. Anyone who watched it knows it
MJ had alot of people... even coaches mind-f'd. Pip was equally credible on defense and he had the advantage of being physically longer with much longer arms. Pip was a defensive nightmare and could guard 1-5. MJ was not physically equipped to guard 1-5. The key to those rings was Pip. MJ could ball out of control, score 63 points... and all of that... but still get swept. If I was coaching against the Bulls I woulda let MJ get 80 points... and watch him lose, just like those earlier teams did when MJ had a 1-9 playoff record.
@@kaydub7079 lol you talking like when pippen came, they started winning. You realize they still lost for the next 4 years with pippen right? Pippen came in averaging 7pts a game. Pippen was on the bench when Mike hit that game winner in Cleveland. Pippen was on the bench in 91 finals fouled out when Mike hit that clutch shot over divac and sent them to it then went on to score most of Chicago's points while holding magic to zero assist and zero buckets in ot. Pippen was out half the season in 98 with back issues and rodman was coming off the bench in the finals while pippen had a bad back when Mike carried them to their 6th ring.
Every player needs help. But to act like pippen is just as good as Michael is just insane. Pippen played his part and did it well. Look up their averages in the playoffs and finals and you tell me who was more important. Pippen lead in more blocks and rebounds while Michael lead in everything else literally while carrying almost 2/3 of the offense.
But these clowns today will tell you with a straight face that Pip was the better defender!
@@mikelowrey__ lol too late! Somebody already jumped on this thread and tried to make that point. Lol smh
Tom Chambers in today's era would destroy the league, no cap!!
Especially in his prime.😎
That would be fun to watch! Chambers was really good for the Suns
Tom Chambers was my guy.
They made rules to make it tougher for these guys to play and they still got it done.
They softened the rules to make it easier for players to score.
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No one talks about this about mike. But as he age his shoot selection gets a lot better and better to the point that it is crazy to watch.
100% he played so much smarter when he got older
@@TheRealMindCrimehe truly did. He let the game come to him and he scored so much more easily. Actually he did everything more easily as he got older. He did not have to expend anywhere near the type of energy he did his first three or four years.
And I know, yes, a lot of that was due to Scottie's development.
And _that's_ when longevity becomes impressive. Not because you're still physically able and athletic (not that he wasn't both, but it wasn't nearly as extreme) due to spending millions of dollars on your body and having access to modern medical tech... but because you can truly adapt your game to fit changing circumstances, and do it so well that you become even _more_ dominant.
That was Michael Jordan.
Larry Bird, too.
Wow, so longevity is the new standard, how times have changed 😅
I say this since MJ only played 15 seasons take away the 6 rings and match up with LeBron in 15 and compare if LeBron isn't out matching him in 15, the discussion is over. Keep holding on to longevity so what, Kareem played 20. So now LeBron going to play 21-22 seasons so he could earn that stat meaninglessly. LeBron is a great player he's just not the GOAT and theres nothing wrong with that.
Period.
Correction MJ actually played 13 1/2 years, 18 games his second year and 17 games in his first comeback 35 games not even half a season. He is fifth in all time scoring in only 1072 games. Every one above him is over 1300 games and played 20 years. He is second in scoring 5987 in playoff games with 179 while James over 8100 points in 287 games. Numbers don’t lie!
Another stat to look at is 3 pointers LBJ 6926 3pa made 2410 for 34.8% MJ 1778 3pa made 581 for 32.7%. Both average For NBA
@@ajsavage9585 MJ didn't care about 3 pointers, and he played in a era where the 3 pt shooter was just a specialist not a all around player, and despite that he was average at it without focus.
@@ajsavage9585 You said all that like I said, Whatever number of years you put up, in those number of years, starting from both rookies does he beat out MJ period? Forget about the championship, I'll say no more.
Yes! Been waiting for you to get to this one.
Kenny nails it! Thanks for reacting to this one.
I'm glad i found it! Thank you!
I adore that! I’ve always loved the Jet, and I appreciate his matter of fact demeanor here.
Seriously. The jet was cooking on this one!
Kenny and Mark were great on here talking with Mark Jr I watched whole 2 part interview great points they made about today's NBA
This man really just voiced over the pod like he was in the conversation and got 53k views. Respect to you my guy 👍🏾
Thank you!!! I didn't expect this big of a reception to this.
Jrue Holiday is perfect example of an 90s and 90s guard. Jrue Holiday is a dawg! He hunts on defense.
yup I agree. His two way play was a requirment to be a starter in the 80s and 90s
and he proves he is a winning player.. hes brand of basketball tho not a 1st option is still more valued than bullshit 3pt specialist
@yeelahowah7476 I'm a day one on Jrue... He puts in the work. He's fundamentally strong on both sides of the ball. Curry to me is more a 2 on the court.
@legenddaryl537 not everybody is 1st option... Jrue can play with any team and any style. He's an all around basketball player.
New Joe dumars
Glenn Rice would be top 10 in today's game
Oh man he was a killer from deep!
It feels so good seing the older players snap back. I hate hearing people my age say that older players were bums.
Also I feel like more players should spend more time in college. There's a reason why so many one and done players struggled so much
I agree on both here. The lack of college experience is definitely detrimental to the current nba
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its the start of the decline when they started letting HS players play in the NBA.. KOBE as great as he is even in HS needed time to mature in the NBA.. most of these players needed time to improve even lebron wasnt a complete player.. Lebron doesnt have post moves + cant shoot middies thats because he played with HS players who he can bulldoze everytime.. yes his athleticism translated in the NBA but boy his flaws stands out..
@@legenddaryl537dude I disagree both Kobe and Lebron were special and were league ready. That doesn’t speak for everyone else tho. The overall talent today is watered down aside from shooting which is next level today. This is why we can’t have hs kids anymore.
@@shootthejay7002 7ppg was nba ready for you? even kobe's 2nd year he still wasnt nba ready.. yeah bron was different but he had all the freedom in the world because their team was never expected to win anything but because of that lebrons game never developed until he hunted for rings..
Kenny speaking the truth 💯💯
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People don’t understand how impactful to the game it was when they removed hand checking. Kenny is making some important points here.
For sure. I like that he got up and demonstrated it. He's dead on about it. Things were much tougher when we had to have our backs to the basket at all times
As big of a deal as it was, it was a rough transition for referees, and you can see it in the film. Very little changed for a good 2 or 3 years after the rule was added. For me the bigger impact was when Adam Silver became comissionner, but these former players are afraid to say it. There is a bigger difference between David Stern's NBA and Adam Silver's NBA than the difference between 2000-05 NBA and 2006-10 NBA.
And I’ll add to that by saying no players outside of Lebron and Melos numbers went up after the new rule - HOWEVER, they were also 2nd year players. And if you have watched ball long enough, you know that top draft picks always take a jump in their 2nd year. If the league just started scoring in troves I'd take Kenny's argument, but real ball handlers learned how to deal with handchecks ages ago thanks to Rod and Penny. The off-arm is key, as is pacing. The real issue is guys are allowed to carry, push off, take several steps, and the defense cant do anything about it without being called for a tech. The only defense you can play is offball where the ref isnt really looking
Lebron goat with hand checking. Hed win dpoy 7 times in his prime
Hand checking was always against the rules. They just never enforced it until the corporate sponsors told Stern to open it up if they were going to invest in the league.
Kenny mic dropped! I literally tried to google 3 times when the term 2-way player was created and applied. You didn't play both sides of the floor, you didn't play period, even in the playgrounds.
Kukoc and Rodman were both ridiculed for being more focused on one end than the other. But Kukoc played much better defense than Harden
Recently one guy commented that Lebron 10 finals. I said ok Jerry West 10 finals. His response BUT JERRY DIDNT WIN 4. I responded Lebron didn’t win 5 like Magic didn’t win 6 like MJ. Suddenly with Jerry West the winning ratio matters but not if person has more rings than Lebron lol
Lol wow. According to that logic then Bill Russell and Jerry West are the Goats. Silly humans 😆
I love this, 1982 was my graduating class.
Dwanye "Pearl" Washington, Mark Jackson & Kenny Smith were all in my graduation class, all three were High School All-Americans.
I was blessed to receive All-City Honorable Mention in 1981, blew out my knee in the beginning of my 1982 senior campaign.
I was cut in the last round from Riverside Church, Gauchos, and even some CYO & PAL teams as a 14, 15, and even 16 year old (late bloomer) and under teams growing up in NYC.
Much respect for the game of basketball and how challenging it was with all the talented ball players coming out of NYC alone.
Shout out to all the greats that never made it to college or the pros !!!
Jordan on defense was like Troy Palamalu was on the field. Just all over the place and always knew instinctively what you were running.
More like Ed Reed.
Go Ravens!
Yup he can see and feel what they were going to run, and last second intercept that pass for a fastbreak dunk. Mj still underrated.
kobe was a "roamer" on D. He even admitted it in the " Kobe Doin Work" documentary. Saying quote " I'm like a free safety on defense. Much like Jordan, however I think Jordan and Kobe's tendencies on D had more to do with mirroring Phil's Defensive Philosophy for both players individually. Just my take. With that being said both were exceptional on-ball defenders don't get it twisted. But I believe Jordan to be the more quick-footed disciplined defender. MJ was definitely more fundamentally sound on D.
Can you imagine Dumars on Steph with the hand check rules?
He would of cooked that curry
Or Alvin Robertson.
Can you imagine Bruce Bowen on Stephen Curry 1 v 1 I'm sure Curry would have so much trouble scoring on him.
Gary Payton on Curry
I thought of that exact match-up while Kenny was talking. Joe D takes a break and the Microwave comes on and blasts threes from range. Vinny Johnson would be a star now, back then he was a role player.
🫡 It's all laughable now because once IamtheGOAT retires all stats and accomplishments become both Historical and Comparable. He knows it won't even be close and likely he doesn't even finish 2nd behind Jordan. Not to mention that the NBA Commish has fully admitted after last year's AllStar Game that he designed the League to be Defenseless which means LBJ should have way more scoring titles, rebounds and MVPs. How did Joker get those MVP awards over him if he's a walking GOAT 😅
Exactly. In 2010 people said kobe was better than MJ. Nobody is saying it now
yup, most athletes legacies don't trancend time. Jordan has though
Bring back handchecking and remove defensive 3 seconds. It’s the way basketball should be played in my opinion.
this.. let the new era taste this shit before running their mouths about who is the best.. NBA could implement this anytime they want
Defensive 3 won’t matter when everyone in a 5 out. The biggest change in rules they haven’t addressed was illegal defense. This forced one on one matchup with no strong side help. No zoning up in 90’s. Once the early 2000’a hit and zone was allowed then it became the hardest defensive era in basketball. 2012’ish they changed rules to make it more exciting and now we have the broken product today of 140 pt games
Yesssssssss..
3 seconds always existed. Just bring hand checking back so dudes have to work for shots and the post play matters
Only thing you forgot.......and call travel again.
And don't forget, Dr J used to play at parks as a professional. Of COURSE we was doing tricks in the 70's! hehe...but yeah, nothing's changed. These kids need to go look at the And1 players. Rafer "Skip 2my Lou" Alston went from that TO the NBA.
absolutely!
That end comment from Mark Jackson gave me chills i felt that for people.
Absolutely. Mark is a real one
The Jet spitting facts
yeah he was on fire on this one
If today's players are better than players from the 80s and 90s then why does Lebron James and Steph Curry pay $50k for footwork lessons with Hakeem Olajuwon? When I recently heard of that I went, "Kids today have no idea what skill is."
Exactly! How come the self-proclaimed goat can’t learn by just observing all of those Hakeem’s footworks. Jordan learned by just watching on the sidelines from his idols. Maybe it’s true that Lebron got stuck always on the first pages of the books that he’s reading.
Great reaction. I said this before and I say it again it's all about who we saw live growing up. MJ, Kobe, and bron 35 and up we know about MJ career
thank you!
Tom Brady knows even tho he's won more Joe Montana is the real Goat 4-0 wit no INTs
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5 years after Le🤡 retires nobody will consider him top 10 alltime player
I've Been saying this. It's because the media is pushing his legacy and his dumbass face everywhere, even when we don't want it.
Kobe will be ranked higher when all is said and done......by anyone who knows even the smallest amount about basketball.
Greatest spectacle in NBA history, and that's not necessarily a positive thing.
You are right about that and LeDiva knows it
😂😂😂😂😂 plot twist
He’s juicing PEDs he’s definitely not top 10’
What the NBA did through its rule changes was make the game substantially easier today. If you take away hand checking and contact, stop enforcing traveling and carrying rules, implement a 3 second rule that removes the rim protectors from the paint, enforce "freedom of movement" rules, all to artificially prop up scoring, the result is a less difficult game and a dillution of skill. That is why older players are getting attacked as "plumbers" (lol) because there is a defensiveness about the quality of the contemporary game.
well if they really want to know who was the better player the NBA can always bring back those rules.. hand checking, traveling and we will truly see that average players now would be average or below before
And thats 1 of the reasons why world basketball is coming closer in beating USA in basketball.
This is the NBA's fault, by changing the game so much defensively, they have cheated this generation of true competition and robbed you all of your place in the pantheon of NBA GOATs.
This isn’t just an NBA problem this is all sports across the board. Its sad. Look at football smh
It’s not about competition anymore, it’s about entertainment, we old guys were entertained by competition, these new folks never seen or participated in real grimy competition, they are all friends and are even friends with their coaches🤣which is weird to me.
Kenny's legit I remember a few years ago he embarrassed the dude who had or have the Guinness world record in 3's made at a certain time 😂 🤣 .
It always drives me nuts when anyone says lefraud has such a high iq, like what… flopping? Charging shoulder or elbow out almost tackling to get his constant lame layups with a free throw he’s bound to miss and he will still complain about the call as always? Complaining about every single call, even when it doesn’t involve him or his team negatively? Standing around on defense? Cheating the game in just about every way possible is his high iq.
His basketball IQ is so high good players, play better when they're not on his team. The statement about LeBron I hate is, "He makes other players better." Like he's Magic Johnson or something. Joker has a better impact on the game offensively than LeBron has ever had. And he's a younger player. We have to stop this.
Great video by you and mark jack/kenny jet. Broke it down well. But u basically called out everything he said before he even said it. Goat stuff lol keep posting bro.
thank you so much eric!!
The dragon has been unleashed! Good morning everyone, have an awesome day 🌎
Good morning!
Lebron knows he’s nowhere close to competing with MJ. Lebron’s goal was always to supplant Kobe in the goat conversation.
Thats what I think which is really messed up when they was supposed 2 be such good friends supposedly. If he was as great as he says he is he would've nvr said that and differed 2 Kobe or whoever was killing it at da time. But no big dumb lefossil said that 1 right there made me the goat lol please lol maybe the lazyiest all time always leaving his team 4 on 5
Leflop isn’t even top 3 greatest Laker of all time.
He’s not top 15 NBA greatest player
And he couldn't even do that
Hate Bron all you want, but he's still the GOAT for millions and winning more and more people over daily. Saying he doesn't come close is crazy.
@@rikogreen7596idk about millions lol. Lebron is only popular in America because of all the media he paid to talk about him. He is relatively small outside America compared to MJ and Kobe. That’s also why nba viewership is falling drastically, because today’s basketball and face of the league isn’t it.
This was a good conversation. I really liked Mark’s comment at the end. We have a lot of people that have messed up priorities. We have people that are more worried about protecting animals than they are human beings.
Great commentary, you didn't get in the way of the conversation between the two New York City basketball legends Kenny "The Jet" Smith, the always steady floor general Mark "Action" Jackson, and his son/co-host Blue. I was born and raised in Harlem, New York City and heard all of the noise that Mark and Kenny was making in the city due to their basketball prowess. They both represented the city very well in their basketball careers and made the city proud. Salute to Kenny and Mark. 👏
Thank you so much! I got about 20 comments in here telling me to shut up and stop talking so this is really refreshing to see. Thank you!
As a native New Yorker, growing up in the 80s and 90s, who has so much respect for Kenny the Jet and Mark Jack, no lies was told in this video. Also, at 40 years old, give me 3 months of intense conditioning and I drop 25 pounds, I would bust any guard in the Powder Puff league ass todayz including Stef Curry, straight up. Real talk. At 40. I play against people who made it to the NBA before they made it. And one more than, if he would have taken defense as serious as his offense, Melo Anthony would be the second most complete player of all time. He was an offensive monster. I am the same age as them and played against some of the players they played against.
Bro I believe you..I went to a game at 40 and I was like heck no..put me in the game and I'll break the internet..I kept telling girl..this guy's are avg..I would destroy them..I know I would...
@@Shigami-lb6oc FACTS ALL DAY BRO! These guys in the league today are trash. Bro, we could start a 40 year old team, in shape of course, and bust their ass any day of the week.
Oh my gosh??? Imagine Michael Jeffrey Jordan being able to dribble face up with the hand check not allowed in todays game?!?! Are they freaking kidding me!?!? 84-98 MJ would've definitely averaged 40+ a night!!! Hell, even Larry Bird with no hand check??? Larry would have 30 at the half on any of these kids, all from long range too, just to prove a point... 💯
If you are a lazy defender now, you would be a lazy defender in the past. Lebron or any of today's superstars would not automatically be better players. Just because you're a grown man in 2024 does not mean you could beat your pops at the same age in 1993 or your grandfather in 1963 🤣
My friend I am Greek who lives and works in Germany. Honestly you are doing a tremendous work with your channel. It is amazing. I am enjoying every minute. Keep up the work. You will flourish in subscribers. I truly believe it.
Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words!
Man, I love your stuff. Definitely subscribing now. You are correct. The RULES is allowing all this trash. I just don’t believe the players today could cut it, technically or mentally.
I really think a lot of people, similar to this guy asking the questions, don’t have the same definition as most of us for the “GREATEST OF ALL TIME”. I think what they’re thinking is greatest career of all time maybe? Which at that point it just comes down to maybe what you value more, or put more weight on. Like championships (which should be top), stats, longevity, and so on.
Where as in contrast my definition has always just been who is the best ever at that sport? And did they play long enough, did we get to see enough of them, to hands down put them as the GOaT? Before Jordan had even won a single title I would have already said he was the greatest basketball player that ever lived….and to me (and most of us I think) that’s the GOAT.
I haven't played basketball for 25 years, for physical reasons. I can do anything with a basketball. For these young, fragile, basketballers of today to say someone from back in the day can't play today is the dumbest thing ever said. These guys have talent. Talent is not skill. There's a reason only Luka and Kyrie can create their own offense. There's a reason, when defense is allowed, only a few guys can create their own shot. They are not playing basketball today. They are playing pick up basketball. If you don't know what that is... you don't know basketball.
100% That's why i still enjoy watching Kyrie. He can get a shot off anytime he wants too even though he's the shortest dude on the court
Kenny is a true one 🔥
yeah he is. I wasn't sure before but now I know.
Kenny Smith speaks worthy of my time listening to. A genius mind!
Nice shoutout to Nick Van Exel! Damn right he’d be a max player today. He was basically the prototype for the combo guards today
Yeah, I never liked the idea that when we put the old school players in today's era and just ignore all the advancements athletes have as if they wouldn't benefit. Again most of us Jordan guys do not ignore Jordan's losses...his wins just over shadow the losses.
You give Mike a solid starting 4 in his early days he comes out beating bird n Isiah simple as that it’s just that Chicago was horrible
exactly. even just as humans because of the advancements in medical science we typical survive to much older age than we used to. That doesn't mean that the 1900's humans had no skills in survival lol
Mentally the modern players are small… just seems like they wilt under pressure.
ANT would be a M.FINLEY in the 00s...or J.Stackhouse in the late 90s...
Very similar!
Guys played with injuries that would sideline players today toughness was a must in the 90's
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Thank God for Kenny I love his breakdowns
Yeah when he starts cooking without interruption its pretty cool to watch
i literally have difficulty believing how slow gen z is
Brain rot exists. Trying to train gen z apprentices is the biggest challenge in being an electrician, no doubt.
I'd say if Lebron is top 10 he's #10. MJ is the best that ever was. I think Larry Bird is the best small forward ever
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@TheRealMindCrime or you think bron 10 😂 I'm unsubing for that nonsense this why yall word mean nothing 10 all time is crazy
This is simple. If you went from a tough environment to an easy one, you will succeed. If you go from an easy environment to a hard one, well I can't say the same.
exactly!
This was awesome, could listen to this convo all day... Its funny, Id love to know how many of lebrons games these fans who proclaim him to be the goat have actually watched... Higher or lower than 50% of them... I'd put my house on the line it's lower than even 25% of his games, coz let's face it, Lebron was box office must watch TV for maybe the first 3 years of his career, an most of that was down to mere curiosity of seeing a highschooler play the game as well as he did. Mj on the other hand, 30 years later, and I'm still Watching all the games I missed on RUclips 😂
Kenny Smith by himself in the second half broke the Orlando Magic, to go to OT and kill them in the OT 🙏🙏
Just think about how the Olympic team struggled physically against Joker's team. Every game was like that physically back then. A team full of all-stars struggled against that, and those weren't even NBA players.
exactly
Payton, Jason Kid, Stockton, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Vince Carter, Latrell Sprewell, Dana Barros, Terry Porter, John Starks, Eddie Jones, Vin Baker, Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman, Glen Rice, Chris Webber, Chris Mullin, Mark Price, Mookie Blaylock, Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Alonzo Mourning, Mitch Richmond, Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler, Mutombo, Joe Dumars, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Shaq Attack, Pippen, Olajuwon, Barkley, Rodman, Karl Malone, David Robinson! Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!????????
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Kenny and Mark has weight in their words. They’ve seen the eras, played in the eras, and seen the changes. They been around the game and know how it changed. They aren’t hating but a fair assessment is being made.
yup, they both played with and against these dudes. They know
Kenny Smith was a kick ass player. I love his take on all this
For sure. The Jet is a 2 time champ and he keeps it very real here
I agree with all the basketball thoughts from Kenny and Mark in this podcast.
Me too
ok ok, lets get real here. i totally agree with what Kenny is saying that the older players had more diverse talent where today they have specialists. Honestly though in today's game Kenny himself would be a superstar because of his 3 point accuracy. That dependency on that shot would make decent shooters from role players to stars in this era.
Yeah its true. Kenny was a monster from the 3 point line
This disrespecting of elders thing is becoming common in all sports. It seems to be a generational thing. It's not just in basketball.
Yea, just being able to hand check wouldnt make u a better defender. You still have to fight through screens, you gotta pickup full court. When i was a kid, point guards picked up full court. Thats why 7footers like giannis can bring the ball up. Back in the day he would have some lil pesky point guard picking him up full court, giving him pressure and trying to get steals. Now? He can walk the ball up and people are like "wow look at how skilled he is".
I'm glad you mentioned KD. Much respect
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Hold up Mark Jackson rocking the British Walkers!🔥🔥🔥
LeBalco he’s a specialist in flopping 😂😂😂😂😂
Lebron is the GOaT of one thing and that’s undisputed… he has the most power in terms of controlling teams and his destiny compared to any other player that has played in the NBA… and that’s including Jordan. People forget that the Bulls were broken up by Jerry Krause the GM. Lebron has to control the team (or he leaves like in Miami)…
THE LEAGUE HELPED THAT BUM OUT CUSS THEY KNEW IF IT STAYED THE SAME WIT THE 1ST 8 TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THAT BUM WOULDN'T MAKE IT SO THEY CAME UP WIT THE PLAY IN TOURNAMENT WHICH AINT FAIR TO THE 7TH AND 8TH SEED CUSS THEY CAN FINISH IN THEM SLOTS AND STILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS ITS SUPER STUPID AND UNFAIR PERIOD
I can't respect a league where 20 out of 30 teams are in the postseason. Less urgency in the regular season, star players disappointing fans by taking way too many games off. It's the opposite of what baseball used to be....4 teams in the postseason.
@@jammiebooker6489and you see how all this is coming towards the tail end of lebron career ? It’s crazy people are blind to this…just to say “lebron made the playoffs at 39 40 Mike couldn’t” they always have excuses for lebron it’s so crazy
@@Judahdabutcher9 I feel you. The fact is one is secure in his legacy and the other isn't. And all the gimmicks (in season tournament banners, Olympics MVP, etc) won't change that.
what a great vid. you did a good job of letting them talk and you had insightful commentary. bravo.
Thank you so much!!
@@TheRealMindCrime no doubt my man! keep up the good work 🗣️🫡
will do. Thanks for the encouragement
Kenny Smith was a really good player. Great three point shooter. 2 time nba champion with the 🚀.
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It's was OJ MAYO that Mark Jackson is talking about thought he was better than Jordan until they 1v1 and shut that down asap lol
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@TheRealMindCrime after there 1v1 OJ Mayo had to apologize bcuz he was another they were trying to say he was gonna be the next MJ lol
Why is Lebron always brought up in these conversations?. He would be an average player in the 90s. Maybe. Longevity is only a small part of what makes someone the GOAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FUNDAMENTALS AND NOT TRAVEL EVERYTIME YOU HAVE THE BALL!!!!!
Lebron can’t even be trusted to hit game winning free throws with the game on the line and these clowns are calling him the goat.
The problem with Lebron is his behavior, lack of responsibility and even fundamentals. His unacceptable antics would send him on bench or worse kicked out of that old school NBA.
Only LeBron’s fans believe MJ couldn’t go left. 😂😂😂
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This is good. Kenny is on 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah he was cookin here!
Perfect analogies, especially that Steve Kerr analysis
Thabk you!
When Kenny says it makes you better he is referring to statistically. Which means modern TOV should have gone down but these modern guys are sloppy passers.