Recently picked up an Alienware AW2725DF QD-OLED and I am blown away. The colors in HDR are amazing, and the motion clarity of 360hz OLED for gaming is wild.
@@Neucher I've seen a lot of complaints about people experiencing unusual eyestrain with this particular model. A concerning amount of them. Never noticed anything like that in the past three years I've been researching the OLED TV and monitor market.
I have just gotten the AOC Agon AG276QZD and I gotta say that I'm glad I didn't sell my old monitor. The brightness drops when having a large white surface are incredibly distracting. So my old Asos ROG Swift PG279Q does the main bit of work on the desktop. And then I use the OLED specifically for games and media consumption and keeps a black background on it and have the taskbar automatically hide to avoid burn-in of any desktop elements. I have my computer next to a large window. So to me a matte WOLED was definitely the right choice. And I don't see myself ever getting a glossy monitor.
I love the way you guys are not cracking jokes when you're talking about tech you respect the viewer enough to know that most are coming here to solve a problem and the last thing they wanna do is waste their time listening to someone being funny and egotistical god bless yall.. respecting a viewer is a lost artform these days.
I think you guys need to go into further testing with your input lags, as Rtings found the MSI 271QRX to have bad input lag at lower refresh rates. You shouldn’t just post the max refresh rate result as most people won’t even be able to sustain 360 most times.
I nearly got tripped up by amazons black friday sale with a monitor labeled as "QD OLED" which I now understand is actually woled. People like you that make such thorough and informative content make the internet a better place.
Yep, this is what people don't understand. The brightness of the actual RGB subpixels is WAY HIGHER on QD-OLED where WOLED's brightness mostly comes from the white subpixel (washing out colors as well). Rtings and among other sites have ACTUAL RGB (and WRGB) brightness numbers listed and QD-OLED crushes WOLED in RGB brightness. This is a problem on WOLED TVs as well and actually an even bigger one, since VERY HIGH white brightness drowns RGB brightness even more (OLED TVs gets brighter than OLED monitors).
I am considering buying that monitor, how does it perform with dark mode applications? Any dirty screen effect like 15:30? Would you recommend over QD-oled?
Built a new pc and wanted to upgrade my monitor from a 1440p 165hz IPS monitor. After doing some research, I ordered an AW2725DF. The better text quality and higher refresh rate sold it for me (more future proof). I'm looking forward to trying it out. Cheers for the information mate.
I can't believe you made this without mentioning the updated LG model at all (27GS95QE). A lot of it wouldn't change but the new model gets significantly brighter
Kind of surprised as well why last year's LG model is being used as a reference vs the newer 27GS95QE model that has already been out there and reviewed by RTings. I have both types of OLED monitor and the biggest difference is with text rendering and screen coating. Brightness isn't that much perceivably different and HDR is pretty close as well re WOLED vs QDOLED imho
I had the LG 27GS95QE for 3 days and did NOT like the colors in HDR. My QD OLED AW3423DW is miles better in colors in both SDR and HDR. I ended up returning the 27GS
@@xxchanhonamxx depends on how powerful a system you have. If you got a top end GPU and CPU go for the 360hz that's what I wanted actually but if not and your system can't do those kind of frames then 240hz could be good enough. However even if you can't push the higher frames you do get somewhat faster response times with 360hz vs 240hz so that might be worth it
That text clarity/ subpixel comparison was great information! And it confirmed the guess I had with the 4k WOLED vs QDOLED video. I vastly prefer the text rendering on the WOLED monitors, compared to the QDOLED. The pink and green artifacts look so much worse to my eyes as the softer, shadow-y edges of the WOLED. But yeah I do in fact really, REALLY hate chromatic abberation effects in games as well :D
The LG WOLED flagship level Monitors are coming out with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity. If text clarity has improved as much as they indicate, I will be buying a new 1440p, 480Hz WOLED Monitor when they come out later this year, for work and gaming.
You can actually avoid that by forcing greyscale based text rendering (which will still be perceptibly softer than subpixel text rendering, but will not bear any noticeable colour fringing).
Your biggest positive for Qd Oled was color and 360hz but color is less accurate, color fringing, and poor white. Also the ASUS PG27AQDP is a 1440p 480hz W-Oled monitor (not to be confused with the dual resolution ones with 4k 240hz and 1080p 480hz).
woled have been around long enough that windows should have a setting to improve text clarity for them and/or the monitors should have a driver to do that. This should be a non-issue by now.
This is not a Windows issue. MacOS doesn't even bother to have subpixel rendering. Some Linux distros that has this feature have the same issues as Windows. The OS cannot detect what the subpixel layout is. It's just not possible. In my opinion, we should not have OS code dedicated to specific hardware. Maybe a driver or something published by the screen manufacturer... But then again if you have multiple screens... It's not an easy problem to solve. That's why it isn't solved. Time has nothing to do with it.
@@BurakBagdatli Subpixel layout could be determined from Edid info and a lookup table. Windows has no trouble telling me the make and model of my monitors. So just like it looks for drivers on new hardware, it could look for the subpixel layout and set the proper render algo.
@@BurakBagdatli The info is provided by the display info. Windows just doesn't use it. Subpixel layout is part of the edid info most modern monitors provide. If more info is needed it could done by looking up the make/model of the monitor (like how windows looks up most new devices it doesn't recognize).
My AW 21:9 OLED is light years ahead of my older 100Hz IPS. I know I could have waited for this gen of OLED panels but I got it for $750 with free shipping from Dell so hey I have no complaints lol. and I am thinking of putting the older one above the new one for Music mixing but I don't know if I want to deal with that lol. I love the videos you do and I have learned a lot.🤘🤘🤘
Picked up a QD-OLED after I saw all of the hype around it. I gotta say it's 1000% worth it. Watching HDR content in the dark and I was literally squinting because it was so bright and vibrant.
OLED monitors and HDR tech in general is great and I like my LG27GR95QE, but it's also important to note that HDR is often poorly implemented in games. Sometimes there is no native HDR implementation at all. On many occasions you just have to hope that the HDR presentation in an SDR container is good enough for the game. Although modding can help, like with the Starfield neutral LUTs nexus mod combined with Special K HDR injection, which looks fantastic. I guess Nvidia's RTX HDR is also a step forward for as well, but I personally haven't tested it (Radeon user).
rtx hdr is amazing, it is better than many hdr native in games. still in beta so i do not recommend anyone get into it yet. hopefully amd does the same thing soon.
Would love to see a comparison of 1440p vs 4K OLED next, as that generally isn't covered, but it would be interesting to see what the added PPI and resolution brings, both in productivity and gaming.
I had a 27gs95qe and a 271qrx and qd oled at 1440p is just drastically superior. Games with small detail like building and stuff in warzone at range look like they are at a lower resolution on the woled due to the coating blurring them and the blue/green haloing woled has around yellow/orange/beige things on screen. HDR doesn't even have a noticeable difference vs SDR hardly on the WOLEDs. Highlights pop a ton more on the qdoled in hdr.
If you’d manage I’d love to watch videos about oled/hdr in hdr on RUclips. I know RUclips’s tone mapping to SDR isn’t the greatest but for those who have good HDR-capable screens, it would mean the world. Also great video 👍
7:42. Odd how he says qd oled gets 50 nits brighter in these scenes when the 27gr95qe is sitting 50 nits brighter than the brightest qd oled on his own chart.
As an owner of a 1440 WOLED I say go to QD-OLED. Not because of the bs clarity claims, the semi matte is just fine next to my C1 but the reason I am moving is screen uniformity..WOLED depending on your luck have anywhere from bad to horrible uniformity that shows in near dark scenarios. Helldivers 2 shows a lot of vertical banding during darker scenes with smoke. QD-OLED doesn't have this issue nearly as bad. I am just torn on sticking to 16:9 or waiting for third gen QD-OLED ultrawides rumoured for later this year.
Colors on QD-OLED are amazing, makes HDR really pop. WOLED looks washed out in terms of colors when you have seen QD-OLED. LG needs to find a way to improve color volume. It is very obvious that colors are vastly better on QD-OLED. Have both WOLED and QD-OLED myself.
It's a shame there aren't glossy woled panels for comparison because it's not really apples to apples. Qd-oled raised blacks is inherent to the panel design, whereas matte grain on the lg isn't anything to do with the panel, just a choice by lg to apple the coating source. Some people are obviously just more sensitive to the grainy image, although if you look at up-close sub pixel, you can see how mushy the matte coating makes it look.
@@veilmontTV in dark room sure. monitor near a window nah. Owned both and im liking the matte woled more. Sure colors were better on the qd oled but you have to pick your poison :D
To be honest I'm a bit shocked that people on this channel are defending QD Oled. okay for me chromatic aberration is terrible, that's my problem, but when your monitor shows PHYOLETIC instead of gray (and black btw). are you people ok? the only plus of qd is the glossy coating, matte ones should die out.
Hello, you’re the first person I’ve seen mention this. Can you go into a bit more detail into how QD-OLED does not show gray and black? I can’t find much on it online. Thanks!
People looking to buy an OLED gaming monitor should be planning on using it in a dark room. Your complaint is silly. Are you also gonna complain about a Lamborghini car not being offroad capable? If you game in a bight room then just don't buy a QD-OLED panel. For the rest of us let us enjoy the far superior color brightness/volume in our dark rooms. It makes no sense to even buy OLED monitors or TV's if you plan on puttin them in a bright room. Get a good LED and be done with it.
I think it's worth noting that the purplish hue of the QD-OLEDs is significantly more visible on camera than in person. In turn, the 'on camera' side-by-side comparison is misleading
Tim, let me suggest something when reviewing monitors. Color gamut testing is good, no doubt. But can we please have the spectrum of emitted light when looking at a white screen (white color or My Computer opened)? While the emitted light from the sun is rich in all colors of the spectrum, most monitors have low red, yellow and green while a huuuuge spike in blue color. This messes with the eyes and brain and should be thoroughly investigated in my humble opinion. Think you can onboard a light spectrometer for this? Or you may have a more clever idea... I leave this up to you. Regards!
When referencing colour space it's also important to include numbers showing how in general scenarios the colour brightness is much closer between panel types. QD-OLED excels with small highlights, but the differences are much less once you head into scenes with bright elements above that 10% window threshold. I may have missed it, but it's also important to note the burn-in risks of QD-OLED, which is what the white sub-pixel in WOLED tech helps mitigate as you don't have to ramp all of the sub-pixels to their max to make bright white elements. I think very few people are going to be unhappy with either option, as they're both miles ahead of LCD tech in most scenarios (and most people wouldn't even complain about IPS panels despite the low contrast).
in SDR the qd oled brightness is MUCH better. To get my ideal brightness I need around 60% on WOLED, vs 20% on QD. This has been roughly the same across all the monitors ive tested so far (27gs95qe, 32gs95ue, aw3225qf, aw2725df, xg27dng)
I would rather have to keep making sure my rooms have blackout curtains and ensure I have as much light snuffed out as possible to get a great picture than dealing with the smeary mess of the mate finish. Get a 1440p panel with that on it makes it look like 1080p imo
I prefer the WOLED technology over QD-OLED, simply because it starts from a pure white light, unlike the QD-OLEDs which emit blue light and convert it to other wavelengths. I can't stand blue light and monitors with a blue tint so if any light would bleed between the pixels, I'd 100% prefer it to be white and not blue.
If you buy OLED for daytime viewing you are stupid to begin with. OLED needs dim or turned off light to sh1t on LCD and QD-OLED stomps WOLED with ease in a scenario like that. Also you only see it when viewing from an angle which you won't when actually using it. LG WOLED has black crush meaning massive loss of detail in dark scenes, QD-OLED dont. Sony uses QD-OLED for flagship OLED TV lineup for a reason, and WOLED for mid-end.
I wish you'd go into anti-burn-in features. A lot of monitors have very obnoxious ones that they won't let you turn off. Also, you should really show input lag at other refresh rates.
Can you discuss possible eye strain issues? I got the alienware 27 QD-OLED and couldn't take more than 20 minutes. I have a Dell XPS laptop with OLED, an OLED LG TV, and an OLED phone and never had a problem. I'm going to try WOLED next, waiting for the 480hz WOLED panels.
@@Racerchicken21 How long did you attempt using them ? When I first switched from TN to IPS (Current) I had eye strain for a couple of days but it went away and never came back. My next monitor will most likely be the 480HZ WOLED Panels, I know they supposedly have improved the text readability but the eye fatigue might be from something else ?
@@Racerchicken21 Damn, that sucks! I’m sensitive to PWM flicker (had to return a Samsung QN90B years ago for this reason), but thankfully I’ve had no eye strain issues with my Sony A90J (WOLED) or Alienware 3423DWF (QD-OLED) screens. OLEDs do flicker though, as they have regular, but small, brightness dips. Perhaps with enough time you’d be able to get used to it?
480 Hz using 1080p on a 2160p panel which looks blurry and bad, the rumoured 480 Hz WOLED 27 inch is not released yet and why does LG cap 1440p at 240 Hz now if 480 Hz is possible? Lets see. QD-OLED can do 480 Hz as well or even higher eventually. However the 32 inch 4K monitor with dual mode (1080p at 480 Hz) looks MUDDY. I have seen it. Looks even worse than native 1080p on 32 inch which looks horrible actually.
@@Dr.WhetFartsFilthy casual who likes keeping their nose 10 inch away from their 45'' screen. But keep playing beta tester until we receive high PPI OLEDs
What people don't talk about is that even though qdoled has more colors a lot of the time they're inaccurate because the original content wasn't meant to have those colors which is why a lot of things look over saturated, also woled has better natural lighting effects in games/videos because of the of the white sub pixel qd OLED is better at neons because of the oversaturation.
Except for some HDR instances and Text (which can be "fixed" or at least made none annyoing) I do prefer WOLED as well. Coming from a 1080p 27" Display.. the Text is still WAY sharper even compared to my 2nd 24" 1080p I find the 1440p 26.5" WOLED to be clearer Stock. And after "fixing" the fringing a bit with MacType.. Im happy. And HDR is still fine just "not as good" as new QD ones. I went with the 27GS95QX. :)
The blue light in a QD display would wear out faster than the other two subpixels because it's the one driving the light. But in a WOLED The driving light is the white OLED and the three primary colors are used relatively evenly. Has there been any research on color degradation over time on qd?
There appeared to be a noticeable magenta cast on the MSI panel during the low light testing. Granted, it's a RUclips video, but I keep my monitor pretty well calibrated and there didn't appear to be a color cast of the other monitor in the same image.
We already had that and it is called Cathode Ray Tube technology, CRT for short. No, I am not joking - on CRTs there was zero difference between image moving and being static.
Is Dell Alienware AW2725DF also glossy coating? Actually I prefer matte coating since my windows is behind me and sunlight will comes in directly and create reflection even for my IPS screen. Not sure whether the market will be selling lower refresh rate QD-OLED display like 144Hz/165Hz, so that the price could be lower down a bit. For those users who plays more single player games rather than esports games....
I also have a window behind me. The anti-reflective ("glossy") coating on the AW3423DW does show a clear reflection but it's so much darker and also out of focus than on the matte coating on my S2721DGF that I can still read text perfectly fine. The matte LCD on the other hand is completely unusable unless I turn the brightness way up because all I see is a giant bright blob.
@@cl4ster17 Thanks for your reply🙏🙏. I see, so the anti-reflection is actually referring to the glossy coating👌 The reason I am asking is because I have noticed that when sunlight enters my room directly, I sometimes have difficulty seeing certain parts on my matte IPS display😅 But of course the brightness is low. The worse was the glossy display with my old laptop. If there is any light or sunlight, I only can see reflection and my eyes were really suffer, as well as it is hard for me to see the content from the display. That's why I prefer matter coating.😄 But it seems it is difference when it comes to OLED display...
@@HardyDimension Glossy displays generally have an anti-reflective coating that just tries to reduce the reflected light as much as possible, some better than others (i.e. Galaxy S24 Ultra vs. other phones). Matte displays are anti-glare. They typically work by dispersing the light over a larger area.
@@HardyDimension There's just too many variables to give a definitve answer. I would honestly just try out the AW2725DF and see how you like the glossy coating. Otherwise return it and get a matte one. In my situation, glossy OLED is better. Yes, contrast suffers during day time but text remains readable.
TBH, I think Mini-LED is the future. Sure the blacks are amazing, I still have a Panasonice ZT-60 Plasma in my home. But OLED's are not bright enough and there is no way I'm using one for PC. The risk of burn in to too great. We will see.
I have the LG 39gs95qe and the hdr actually blows qd oled out of the water. Im now currently experimenting with hdr on msi mag341cqp and it looks good but white highlights arent there since qd only pushes color vibrancy and highlights is what makes the image pop out of the screen in my experience whic lg woled does a way better job. Maybe its the screen size idk but its way better.
WOLED has much worse near-black performance though. Especially LG after getting their gaming WOLED (48GQ900) I would say they have no idea what word 'image quality' even means. Just throws more black crush and other nonsense until image looks good for shops and call it a day. Also don't get me started on ABL...
@@e8root I retract my statement. I now have tried the aw3423dw and the hdr is out of this world better! Somehow the first QD OLED to ever hit the market is looking better than the other ones I've tested!
10:02 On WOLED panel this G from Google looks way better than on QD OLED. 11:22 Even white is not "white" but have this pink/green tint on QD OLED. Where WOLED is normal white.
For me, QD-OLED is a no go, simply because they don't have any matte screen options. It's kind of crazy that they wouldn't at least offer a matte option, considering the various use cases of monitors. The lower prices also tells me that there's other long term issues they're hiding, and it's kind of obvious what that is: QD-OLED burns in much quicker than WOLED, this was already well known even before the newer generations. The fact that the prices on WOLED hasn't changed, shows they know that QD-OLED will fizzle out as more people experience issues with it in the coming year.
Brightness drop and greying out under light is absolutely no for me on QD-OLED. And text on WOLED looks better in my opinion. I think I will go with WOLED panel.
I wonder if/when windows is gonna give us a patch to fix these issues, where you can select the type of screen. So that windows compensates for it, maybe using cleartype?
4K LG WOLED have dual mode 4K 240Hz and 1080p 480Hz. So there is a proof that WOLED can be faster up to 480Hz. Maybe LG show 1080p/1440p 480Hz panel in the future.
This review is only good for a few months. The new LG WOLED is supposed to come out this year with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity, and at 1440p, 480 Hz, and 1300 nits brightness. The new WOLED will beat the QD-OLED in every category that is important, to me. I do appreciate the thorough explanations and analysis, but I will be waiting on the new WOLED panels.
I feel like the matt finish is subjective and you make it sound like it’s something bad out of the box. While you also seem to act like the purple tint on QD oled is not a big deal while it is by definition purpose defeating for an OLED. Sorry but in my opinion your take is totally unjustified at this matter.
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Tim is really enjoying the qd v woled shinanigans.
so do a lot of us lol :)
It's the new console wars, but OLED wars. Bring on competition though.
it makes money, like the whole amd v nvidia videos on HU
Like discussing difference of two eggs that look alike :)
Recently picked up an Alienware AW2725DF QD-OLED and I am blown away. The colors in HDR are amazing, and the motion clarity of 360hz OLED for gaming is wild.
Any eyestrain?
@@juanblanco7898 Not that I have noticed. HDR is brighter than I was expecting, it looks amazing but took some getting used to in a dark room.
@@juanblanco7898why
@@Neucher I've seen a lot of complaints about people experiencing unusual eyestrain with this particular model. A concerning amount of them. Never noticed anything like that in the past three years I've been researching the OLED TV and monitor market.
@@NeucherIt uses PWM
I have just gotten the AOC Agon AG276QZD and I gotta say that I'm glad I didn't sell my old monitor. The brightness drops when having a large white surface are incredibly distracting. So my old Asos ROG Swift PG279Q does the main bit of work on the desktop. And then I use the OLED specifically for games and media consumption and keeps a black background on it and have the taskbar automatically hide to avoid burn-in of any desktop elements. I have my computer next to a large window. So to me a matte WOLED was definitely the right choice. And I don't see myself ever getting a glossy monitor.
Exactly.
Have you updated the firmware of the AG276QZD?
I love the way you guys are not cracking jokes when you're talking about tech
you respect the viewer enough to know that most are coming here to solve a problem
and the last thing they wanna do is waste their time listening to someone being funny and egotistical
god bless yall.. respecting a viewer is a lost artform these days.
Yep.
*cough* the display guy *cough*
@@thepadster123that youtuber is so unprofessional I think only kids follow him
Modern equivalent of put the fries in the bag bro lmao but you’re so right, crazy how rare this is nowadays to be praised
the way your hoodie strings fall over your logo reminds me of the Black Ops 4 symbol and I am physically incapable of seeing otherwise
Same here!
true
@@Chillax1984 yeah it's mostly in the shape of the bo4 symbol tho so that's why i see that
I had to do a double take to see if I was seeing the blops 4 logo as well haha
I think you guys need to go into further testing with your input lags, as Rtings found the MSI 271QRX to have bad input lag at lower refresh rates. You shouldn’t just post the max refresh rate result as most people won’t even be able to sustain 360 most times.
thank god I got the Alienware
Is this only an issue if you dont display the monitor at 360hz or if u dont hit 360+ fps in games?
World class videos, seriously. Keep it up, and thank you.
I nearly got tripped up by amazons black friday sale with a monitor labeled as "QD OLED" which I now understand is actually woled. People like you that make such thorough and informative content make the internet a better place.
QD-OLEDs color volume and color brightness is class leading and visible even on a 1000 nits display, like the monitor panels are.
Yep, this is what people don't understand. The brightness of the actual RGB subpixels is WAY HIGHER on QD-OLED where WOLED's brightness mostly comes from the white subpixel (washing out colors as well). Rtings and among other sites have ACTUAL RGB (and WRGB) brightness numbers listed and QD-OLED crushes WOLED in RGB brightness. This is a problem on WOLED TVs as well and actually an even bigger one, since VERY HIGH white brightness drowns RGB brightness even more (OLED TVs gets brighter than OLED monitors).
I'll take it over the purple hue QD-OLED's deliver when not placed in a dark basement.
@@Jeroenneman overblown issue. It looks bad on camera but not as bad in real conditions
@Jeroenneman stop being so dramatic. It's not issue at all.
@@Jeroenneman you scared of the dark?
I have a aw2725df and it beats my C2. It has a lot more colour vibrancy and it's not far off of the G3, it looks amazing.
Thanks for the clear description of the differences between WOLED and QD OLED. Very informative.
just got my LG WOLED the other day. it's awesome!
I am considering buying that monitor, how does it perform with dark mode applications? Any dirty screen effect like 15:30? Would you recommend over QD-oled?
@@captgeoff0713I bought it today don’t buy it all lg panels are trash take the qd Oled
Just got mine too,,, returning it and getting a QDOLED
Built a new pc and wanted to upgrade my monitor from a 1440p 165hz IPS monitor. After doing some research, I ordered an AW2725DF. The better text quality and higher refresh rate sold it for me (more future proof). I'm looking forward to trying it out. Cheers for the information mate.
is the difference big between it? I have a great LCD IPS 165hz 1440p monitor, but I don't know if OLED would make a significant difference.
bought the OLED and tested it for 2 months. the difference? DAY AND NIGHT.
I can't believe you made this without mentioning the updated LG model at all (27GS95QE). A lot of it wouldn't change but the new model gets significantly brighter
Yeah. With the higher brightness, you can see more clearly how much worse it is than QD-OLED.
Kind of surprised as well why last year's LG model is being used as a reference vs the newer 27GS95QE model that has already been out there and reviewed by RTings. I have both types of OLED monitor and the biggest difference is with text rendering and screen coating. Brightness isn't that much perceivably different and HDR is pretty close as well re WOLED vs QDOLED imho
Would you buy 240hz over 360hz for the same price though?
I had the LG 27GS95QE for 3 days and did NOT like the colors in HDR. My QD OLED AW3423DW is miles better in colors in both SDR and HDR.
I ended up returning the 27GS
@@xxchanhonamxx depends on how powerful a system you have. If you got a top end GPU and CPU go for the 360hz that's what I wanted actually but if not and your system can't do those kind of frames then 240hz could be good enough. However even if you can't push the higher frames you do get somewhat faster response times with 360hz vs 240hz so that might be worth it
thanks very much for enlighten my mind and my choices.
keep showing the best Oled panel technology cause you the best one
That text clarity/ subpixel comparison was great information! And it confirmed the guess I had with the 4k WOLED vs QDOLED video. I vastly prefer the text rendering on the WOLED monitors, compared to the QDOLED. The pink and green artifacts look so much worse to my eyes as the softer, shadow-y edges of the WOLED.
But yeah I do in fact really, REALLY hate chromatic abberation effects in games as well :D
The LG WOLED flagship level Monitors are coming out with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity. If text clarity has improved as much as they indicate, I will be buying a new 1440p, 480Hz WOLED Monitor when they come out later this year, for work and gaming.
You can actually avoid that by forcing greyscale based text rendering (which will still be perceptibly softer than subpixel text rendering, but will not bear any noticeable colour fringing).
@@MLWJ1993 bullshit :D None of it works prior to gen 3 WOLED Panels...
Your biggest positive for Qd Oled was color and 360hz but color is less accurate, color fringing, and poor white. Also the ASUS PG27AQDP is a 1440p 480hz W-Oled monitor (not to be confused with the dual resolution ones with 4k 240hz and 1080p 480hz).
woled have been around long enough that windows should have a setting to improve text clarity for them and/or the monitors should have a driver to do that. This should be a non-issue by now.
This is not a Windows issue. MacOS doesn't even bother to have subpixel rendering. Some Linux distros that has this feature have the same issues as Windows.
The OS cannot detect what the subpixel layout is. It's just not possible. In my opinion, we should not have OS code dedicated to specific hardware. Maybe a driver or something published by the screen manufacturer... But then again if you have multiple screens... It's not an easy problem to solve. That's why it isn't solved. Time has nothing to do with it.
@@BurakBagdatli Subpixel layout could be determined from Edid info and a lookup table. Windows has no trouble telling me the make and model of my monitors. So just like it looks for drivers on new hardware, it could look for the subpixel layout and set the proper render algo.
@@BurakBagdatli The info is provided by the display info. Windows just doesn't use it. Subpixel layout is part of the edid info most modern monitors provide. If more info is needed it could done by looking up the make/model of the monitor (like how windows looks up most new devices it doesn't recognize).
My AW 21:9 OLED is light years ahead of my older 100Hz IPS. I know I could have waited for this gen of OLED panels but I got it for $750 with free shipping from Dell so hey I have no complaints lol. and I am thinking of putting the older one above the new one for Music mixing but I don't know if I want to deal with that lol. I love the videos you do and I have learned a lot.🤘🤘🤘
Picked up a QD-OLED after I saw all of the hype around it. I gotta say it's 1000% worth it. Watching HDR content in the dark and I was literally squinting because it was so bright and vibrant.
OLED monitors and HDR tech in general is great and I like my LG27GR95QE, but it's also important to note that HDR is often poorly implemented in games. Sometimes there is no native HDR implementation at all.
On many occasions you just have to hope that the HDR presentation in an SDR container is good enough for the game. Although modding can help, like with the Starfield neutral LUTs nexus mod combined with Special K HDR injection, which looks fantastic. I guess Nvidia's RTX HDR is also a step forward for as well, but I personally haven't tested it (Radeon user).
rtx hdr is amazing, it is better than many hdr native in games. still in beta so i do not recommend anyone get into it yet.
hopefully amd does the same thing soon.
Excellent video. All I need now is a 4K 40"-42" QD-OLED.
Tim have you concidered making a video explaining with examples various diaplay artifacts and why they happen, and same with settings in games
Would love to see a comparison of 1440p vs 4K OLED next, as that generally isn't covered, but it would be interesting to see what the added PPI and resolution brings, both in productivity and gaming.
I had a 27gs95qe and a 271qrx and qd oled at 1440p is just drastically superior. Games with small detail like building and stuff in warzone at range look like they are at a lower resolution on the woled due to the coating blurring them and the blue/green haloing woled has around yellow/orange/beige things on screen. HDR doesn't even have a noticeable difference vs SDR hardly on the WOLEDs. Highlights pop a ton more on the qdoled in hdr.
Thanks for this comprehensive comparo. Very helpful.
Will you review the LG-27GS95QE?
Holy... why haven't I already subscribed to this channel when I am subscribed to Hardware Unboxed.
If you’d manage I’d love to watch videos about oled/hdr in hdr on RUclips. I know RUclips’s tone mapping to SDR isn’t the greatest but for those who have good HDR-capable screens, it would mean the world. Also great video 👍
7:42. Odd how he says qd oled gets 50 nits brighter in these scenes when the 27gr95qe is sitting 50 nits brighter than the brightest qd oled on his own chart.
As an owner of a 1440 WOLED I say go to QD-OLED. Not because of the bs clarity claims, the semi matte is just fine next to my C1 but the reason I am moving is screen uniformity..WOLED depending on your luck have anywhere from bad to horrible uniformity that shows in near dark scenarios. Helldivers 2 shows a lot of vertical banding during darker scenes with smoke.
QD-OLED doesn't have this issue nearly as bad.
I am just torn on sticking to 16:9 or waiting for third gen QD-OLED ultrawides rumoured for later this year.
How about energy consumption?
Colors on QD-OLED are amazing, makes HDR really pop. WOLED looks washed out in terms of colors when you have seen QD-OLED. LG needs to find a way to improve color volume. It is very obvious that colors are vastly better on QD-OLED. Have both WOLED and QD-OLED myself.
Meanwhile: Black and White 😮
yeah until you turn on the lights in your room
LG g3 and G4 have a color booster that looks closer to QD OLED in colors.
Comparing the g4 to other qd OLEDs it holds up well in color.
I think your problem mostly comes from the screen coating.
@@leonrono
Now to wait for any to become available!
Now that Asus has released its PG27AQDP with 480Hz it would be interesting to see how these technologies stack up against each other
It's a shame there aren't glossy woled panels for comparison because it's not really apples to apples.
Qd-oled raised blacks is inherent to the panel design, whereas matte grain on the lg isn't anything to do with the panel, just a choice by lg to apple the coating source.
Some people are obviously just more sensitive to the grainy image, although if you look at up-close sub pixel, you can see how mushy the matte coating makes it look.
Gotta compare 4K monitors for that.
Qd-oled has perfectly fine blacks. I own the aw3225qf and it's not an issue
@@veilmontTV in dark room sure. monitor near a window nah. Owned both and im liking the matte woled more. Sure colors were better on the qd oled but you have to pick your poison :D
Unless you use your QD-OLED in a fram in the middle of daylight at 12:30pm the coating is never an issue or raised blacks
@@gardenia1738 good to know..
The issue sounds a bit overblown as in the tv space it was mentioned and no one really cared too much about it
To be honest I'm a bit shocked that people on this channel are defending QD Oled.
okay for me chromatic aberration is terrible, that's my problem, but when your monitor shows PHYOLETIC instead of gray (and black btw). are you people ok?
the only plus of qd is the glossy coating, matte ones should die out.
fuсkng agree
yup
Hello, you’re the first person I’ve seen mention this. Can you go into a bit more detail into how QD-OLED does not show gray and black? I can’t find much on it online. Thanks!
People looking to buy an OLED gaming monitor should be planning on using it in a dark room. Your complaint is silly. Are you also gonna complain about a Lamborghini car not being offroad capable? If you game in a bight room then just don't buy a QD-OLED panel. For the rest of us let us enjoy the far superior color brightness/volume in our dark rooms.
It makes no sense to even buy OLED monitors or TV's if you plan on puttin them in a bright room. Get a good LED and be done with it.
Nope, matte coating is better.
Superb video thanks for sharing
The dirty screen effect is noticeable on QD-OLED as well
Dirty screen is caused by bad matte coating and Qd Oled is not matte.
@@20puskinas1992LG tvs also have it lol
@@20puskinas1992 "Dirty screen is caused by bad matte coating"
No, it's not.
@@20puskinas1992 lol no it's not OLED TV's have the same issue and those are glossy besides the s95d by Samsung,
5% grey is the worst and it's worse than woled
I think it's worth noting that the purplish hue of the QD-OLEDs is significantly more visible on camera than in person. In turn, the 'on camera' side-by-side comparison is misleading
Tim, let me suggest something when reviewing monitors. Color gamut testing is good, no doubt. But can we please have the spectrum of emitted light when looking at a white screen (white color or My Computer opened)?
While the emitted light from the sun is rich in all colors of the spectrum, most monitors have low red, yellow and green while a huuuuge spike in blue color. This messes with the eyes and brain and should be thoroughly investigated in my humble opinion.
Think you can onboard a light spectrometer for this? Or you may have a more clever idea...
I leave this up to you.
Regards!
When referencing colour space it's also important to include numbers showing how in general scenarios the colour brightness is much closer between panel types. QD-OLED excels with small highlights, but the differences are much less once you head into scenes with bright elements above that 10% window threshold. I may have missed it, but it's also important to note the burn-in risks of QD-OLED, which is what the white sub-pixel in WOLED tech helps mitigate as you don't have to ramp all of the sub-pixels to their max to make bright white elements.
I think very few people are going to be unhappy with either option, as they're both miles ahead of LCD tech in most scenarios (and most people wouldn't even complain about IPS panels despite the low contrast).
We need glossy WOLED!!!!
Great video, Thanks Tim!
in SDR the qd oled brightness is MUCH better. To get my ideal brightness I need around 60% on WOLED, vs 20% on QD. This has been roughly the same across all the monitors ive tested so far (27gs95qe, 32gs95ue, aw3225qf, aw2725df, xg27dng)
You really need to update your charts regarding the Corsair 27QHD240.
I would rather have to keep making sure my rooms have blackout curtains and ensure I have as much light snuffed out as possible to get a great picture than dealing with the smeary mess of the mate finish. Get a 1440p panel with that on it makes it look like 1080p imo
I prefer the WOLED technology over QD-OLED, simply because it starts from a pure white light, unlike the QD-OLEDs which emit blue light and convert it to other wavelengths. I can't stand blue light and monitors with a blue tint so if any light would bleed between the pixels, I'd 100% prefer it to be white and not blue.
I really hate mirroring. That's why I would like to have a QD-Oled with a matte coating.
1:34 That ugly purple haze that qdoled has in its blacks immediately caused me to lean to oled.
Yep, the infamous QD magenta tint is there in every side-by-side comparison. Every. Single. Time.
I'll never be able to unsee that, but thank you for pointing that out
This is what makes it pretty much unuseable for me in the daytime. It looks horrible.
If you buy OLED for daytime viewing you are stupid to begin with. OLED needs dim or turned off light to sh1t on LCD and QD-OLED stomps WOLED with ease in a scenario like that. Also you only see it when viewing from an angle which you won't when actually using it. LG WOLED has black crush meaning massive loss of detail in dark scenes, QD-OLED dont. Sony uses QD-OLED for flagship OLED TV lineup for a reason, and WOLED for mid-end.
I wish you'd go into anti-burn-in features. A lot of monitors have very obnoxious ones that they won't let you turn off. Also, you should really show input lag at other refresh rates.
Can you discuss possible eye strain issues? I got the alienware 27 QD-OLED and couldn't take more than 20 minutes. I have a Dell XPS laptop with OLED, an OLED LG TV, and an OLED phone and never had a problem. I'm going to try WOLED next, waiting for the 480hz WOLED panels.
any updates?
@@KEY-pt1oc I tried QD and Woled and both made my eyes hurt so bad. Went to a traditional asus 360hz 1440p ips and was fine.
@@Racerchicken21 How long did you attempt using them ?
When I first switched from TN to IPS (Current) I had eye strain for a couple of days but it went away and never came back. My next monitor will most likely be the 480HZ WOLED Panels, I know they supposedly have improved the text readability but the eye fatigue might be from something else ?
@@obviouslee1949Tried a few hours for 2-3 days
@@Racerchicken21 Damn, that sucks! I’m sensitive to PWM flicker (had to return a Samsung QN90B years ago for this reason), but thankfully I’ve had no eye strain issues with my Sony A90J (WOLED) or Alienware 3423DWF (QD-OLED) screens. OLEDs do flicker though, as they have regular, but small, brightness dips. Perhaps with enough time you’d be able to get used to it?
LG have newest 2024 WOLED 1400p panel in 27GS95QE-B. It's brighter than GR version in SDR and HDR.
Don't confuse the people. Panel is same, just matte finish has been improved.
Great, I’m picking up a protector tv today!!!
Woled for that 480hz thats coming in the near future..
It's already here. Tim reviewed it.
480 Hz using 1080p on a 2160p panel which looks blurry and bad, the rumoured 480 Hz WOLED 27 inch is not released yet and why does LG cap 1440p at 240 Hz now if 480 Hz is possible? Lets see. QD-OLED can do 480 Hz as well or even higher eventually. However the 32 inch 4K monitor with dual mode (1080p at 480 Hz) looks MUDDY. I have seen it. Looks even worse than native 1080p on 32 inch which looks horrible actually.
There's also a 27 inch 480hz 1440p panel
Edit = 1080p--->1440p
@@muhammadamin8691don't you mean 1440p
@@Neucher thanks for correcting
Are there any 27" 4K OLED panels coming? I've noticed they're all 32".
Nope, won't sell since its mostly pointless and you need massive scaling in programs. Sweet spot for 4K/UHD is 32 inch
@@Dr.WhetFarts Mostly pointless? If I wanted a TV, I'd buy something bigger than 32", sir.
@@Dr.WhetFartsYou must be blind if you dont notice the difference between 4k and 1440p on a 27 inch monitor
@@michalsvihla1403and yeah we will get 27 inch panels from LG in the future
@@Dr.WhetFartsFilthy casual who likes keeping their nose 10 inch away from their 45'' screen. But keep playing beta tester until we receive high PPI OLEDs
Incredible video!!!
Man I love my Alienware 34DW but damn I am getting the itch for 240hz Rog PG34” OLED might be calling my name. 🤤
Thank you. Thank you, thank you.
What people don't talk about is that even though qdoled has more colors a lot of the time they're inaccurate because the original content wasn't meant to have those colors which is why a lot of things look over saturated, also woled has better natural lighting effects in games/videos because of the of the white sub pixel qd OLED is better at neons because of the oversaturation.
Except for some HDR instances and Text (which can be "fixed" or at least made none annyoing) I do prefer WOLED as well.
Coming from a 1080p 27" Display.. the Text is still WAY sharper even compared to my 2nd 24" 1080p I find the 1440p 26.5" WOLED to be clearer Stock.
And after "fixing" the fringing a bit with MacType.. Im happy. And HDR is still fine just "not as good" as new QD ones.
I went with the 27GS95QX. :)
The blue light in a QD display would wear out faster than the other two subpixels because it's the one driving the light. But in a WOLED The driving light is the white OLED and the three primary colors are used relatively evenly. Has there been any research on color degradation over time on qd?
Didn't RTINGS say that QD OLED has a much faster burn in than WOLED? I was just wondering from your testing, which one has a faster burn in ?
the QD magenta is too much of a deal breaker for me as i play throughout the day
Here's one for ya. QOLED Matte vs WOLED glossy. :)
Tim would you say that the qd oled have more blue light than the woled which can lead to more eyes strain ?
You have a great smile! Brightens the day :)
Great video Tim!
the pg27aqdp have a scene light issue
There appeared to be a noticeable magenta cast on the MSI panel during the low light testing. Granted, it's a RUclips video, but I keep my monitor pretty well calibrated and there didn't appear to be a color cast of the other monitor in the same image.
that's the coating and can't be calibrated lol
The lg 27gr95qe is amazing and easy to get used
I would honestly suggest 27GS95QE now, will depend on the price too of course. (Owner of 27GR95QE)
@@Simon_Denmark kinda depends on which panel type you’ll want, if I’m not wrong the gs95qe is ips
@@lazyturfbattler 27GS95QE is refreshed version of 27GR95QE. It's OLED not IPS.
@@Simon_Denmark oh, didn't know about that. ty
it's oled. the basically cranked up the brightness in SDR a bit, at least on my test sample
The reference Hz at 3:48 is CLEARLY better then 360hz. Id get that
We already had that and it is called Cathode Ray Tube technology, CRT for short. No, I am not joking - on CRTs there was zero difference between image moving and being static.
I'm waiting for the native 1440p 32inch OLED displays.
Is Dell Alienware AW2725DF also glossy coating? Actually I prefer matte coating since my windows is behind me and sunlight will comes in directly and create reflection even for my IPS screen.
Not sure whether the market will be selling lower refresh rate QD-OLED display like 144Hz/165Hz, so that the price could be lower down a bit.
For those users who plays more single player games rather than esports games....
I also have a window behind me. The anti-reflective ("glossy") coating on the AW3423DW does show a clear reflection but it's so much darker and also out of focus than on the matte coating on my S2721DGF that I can still read text perfectly fine. The matte LCD on the other hand is completely unusable unless I turn the brightness way up because all I see is a giant bright blob.
@@cl4ster17 Thanks for your reply🙏🙏.
I see, so the anti-reflection is actually referring to the glossy coating👌
The reason I am asking is because I have noticed that when sunlight enters my room directly, I sometimes have difficulty seeing certain parts on my matte IPS display😅 But of course the brightness is low.
The worse was the glossy display with my old laptop. If there is any light or sunlight, I only can see reflection and my eyes were really suffer, as well as it is hard for me to see the content from the display. That's why I prefer matter coating.😄 But it seems it is difference when it comes to OLED display...
@@HardyDimension
Glossy displays generally have an anti-reflective coating that just tries to reduce the reflected light as much as possible, some better than others (i.e. Galaxy S24 Ultra vs. other phones).
Matte displays are anti-glare. They typically work by dispersing the light over a larger area.
@@cl4ster17 Ok, meaning we don't need to worry about whether it is glossy or matte when comes to OLED, right? If not really particular on that...
@@HardyDimension
There's just too many variables to give a definitve answer.
I would honestly just try out the AW2725DF and see how you like the glossy coating.
Otherwise return it and get a matte one.
In my situation, glossy OLED is better. Yes, contrast suffers during day time but text remains readable.
TBH, I think Mini-LED is the future. Sure the blacks are amazing, I still have a Panasonice ZT-60 Plasma in my home. But OLED's are not bright enough and there is no way I'm using one for PC. The risk of burn in to too great. We will see.
I have the LG 39gs95qe and the hdr actually blows qd oled out of the water. Im now currently experimenting with hdr on msi mag341cqp and it looks good but white highlights arent there since qd only pushes color vibrancy and highlights is what makes the image pop out of the screen in my experience whic lg woled does a way better job. Maybe its the screen size idk but its way better.
WOLED has much worse near-black performance though. Especially LG after getting their gaming WOLED (48GQ900) I would say they have no idea what word 'image quality' even means. Just throws more black crush and other nonsense until image looks good for shops and call it a day. Also don't get me started on ABL...
@@e8root I retract my statement. I now have tried the aw3423dw and the hdr is out of this world better! Somehow the first QD OLED to ever hit the market is looking better than the other ones I've tested!
10:02 On WOLED panel this G from Google looks way better than on QD OLED.
11:22 Even white is not "white" but have this pink/green tint on QD OLED. Where WOLED is normal white.
We need more competition in the OLED space. Right now it’s LG, Samsung and that’s about it.
Meanwhile EKWB 💀💀💀
@@RadialSeeker113 And what exactly does EKWB have to do with OLED panels?
MSI? 😊
WHICH ONE performs better in dark scenes in gaming, steve????
Qd oled
@@cobra14812w-oled have better blacks
For me, QD-OLED is a no go, simply because they don't have any matte screen options. It's kind of crazy that they wouldn't at least offer a matte option, considering the various use cases of monitors. The lower prices also tells me that there's other long term issues they're hiding, and it's kind of obvious what that is: QD-OLED burns in much quicker than WOLED, this was already well known even before the newer generations. The fact that the prices on WOLED hasn't changed, shows they know that QD-OLED will fizzle out as more people experience issues with it in the coming year.
Samsung Odyssey Oled G8 will offer QdOled with Matte coating.
Brightness drop and greying out under light is absolutely no for me on QD-OLED. And text on WOLED looks better in my opinion. I think I will go with WOLED panel.
Impulse bought x27u as it was very cheap - €700, was unusable for work, amazing for gaming though. Back to 4k IPS 😔
I wonder if/when windows is gonna give us a patch to fix these issues, where you can select the type of screen.
So that windows compensates for it, maybe using cleartype?
It sucks that it's pretty impossible to get qd oleds in my country, only woleds
W-OLED subpixel layout is my biggest concern
This is exactly what I am thinking about.
For me woled all day long , I really dislike the red tint on the qd oleds.
4K LG WOLED have dual mode 4K 240Hz and 1080p 480Hz. So there is a proof that WOLED can be faster up to 480Hz. Maybe LG show 1080p/1440p 480Hz panel in the future.
Please review the monitor: Dell G3223Q 32" 4K UHD (3840x2160) Monitor Gaming, 144Hz, Fast IPS. Compared to the price, it is very amazing.
I'll always pick glossy finish ever since learning about it. It is such a game changer for me that I cannot go back to matte.
bro i cant stand using my oled tablet in the day because all i will see is my face reflection and the background
glossy is only usable in the dark
Good Glossy AR coatings ftw
@@jkeez959 A true gamer won't have any sunlight 😂
I wonder when moth-eye glass will become mainstream.
That glass barely has any reflection.
@@michalsvihla1403he said "tablet". None of the true gamers would play on a tablet 😅
Tim, do you think that problems, such as text clarity (mainly) and burn-in, would get better/fixed the more these panels mature over the years? Thanks
Where's the shortcut to the Legend perk in Kingdom's Legions?
I don't understand why brightness is an issue... My old business class IPS is more than enough to make me blind.
QD OLED looks grey for me. It becomes LCD with better colors with faster response time. I think WOLED are very good.
This review is only good for a few months. The new LG WOLED is supposed to come out this year with a rearranged RGWB pixel layout that is supposed to greatly improve text clarity, and at 1440p, 480 Hz, and 1300 nits brightness. The new WOLED will beat the QD-OLED in every category that is important, to me. I do appreciate the thorough explanations and analysis, but I will be waiting on the new WOLED panels.
Aren't those already out?
1440p 480 hz?? omgg lets go thats what i have been trying to manifest
@@livedreamsg Not yet.
@@user-me2gy5km6qwhen’s it coming?
Matte finish tho 🫠👎
I feel like the matt finish is subjective and you make it sound like it’s something bad out of the box.
While you also seem to act like the purple tint on QD oled is not a big deal while it is by definition purpose defeating for an OLED.
Sorry but in my opinion your take is totally unjustified at this matter.
How are you able to keep making videos that specifically target me?!
Got my aw2725df for $700 Brand new👍🏻👍🏻
can you do firmware update 1.06 for corsair 27 oled ?
Would a matte screen protector solve qd oled’s purple color problem?
so both WOLED and QD OLED outperform traditional oled because of the same color emitter? No uneven wear?