After almost 30 years in the hobby, I might very well have a bigger selection of paints than anyone else, and it probably didn't cost me much more than 100 bucks. I did use Citadel paints back in the 90's, when I first got into the hobby and didn't know any better, but have long since given them up for cheaper and better alternatives. Just like you, I like mixing my own paints, either from thickening inks, or by thinning down professional soft body acrylics. With all the attention these new Citadel contrast paints have been given, my old frustration with the GW price point have returned. The way they take advantage of hobbyists in general, and beginners in particular, is appalling. I have even been thinking about making a video similar to yours, explaining how easy they are to make. The main point I would wish to get across though is not how easy it is to make contrast paints or washes specifically, but rather how silly it is buying large selections of paint of any kind. In theory, you only need three good primary colors (plus black and white), and you can mix whatever you want from them. When working with real pigments though, it's hard to find ones with perfect mixing properties, so I normally use 6 primaries in practice. But once you've learnt how to mix paint properly, that is truly all you need. No color in the world will require you to mix more than two of those primaries to get the right hue, and then you break it with black and white to find your desired shade, tone or tint. This is how traditional painters have done it for centuries. They find the handful of pigments that best suit their taste, and then mix whatever else they need. And if you ever doubt the validity of this approach, remember that pretty much every single color image you have ever seen in print media (including GW box art, magazines and posters) have all been made using only cyan, magenta, yellow and black inks. Together with the white of the paper it's printed on, those 4 inks can recreate every colour you see. So save yourself a lot of money. Buy a small selection of professional acrylics that are high in pigment, and complement them with some acrylic media and a couple of mixing agents. I would say that the most enjoyable part of any painting session is to sit down and premix the colors you plan on using for your figures. Just store the finished paints and washes in plastic dropper bottles (which you can buy in bulk from Amazon) and they will keep forever. You even get to name them yourself, which is a surprising amount of fun :-)
Andreas, this is an awesome post! I'm really trying to learn as much as I can about the different pigments. The color wheel is beautiful & fascinating- but apparently flawed? (well, mixing doesn't always go the way we think it should). Also it's so interesting to me that the primaries that printers use are NOT the primaries we get taught about in school! What are your favorite primaries? Do you have 6 go-to favorite artist pigments? I do plan to make a series of videos just on pigments someday, so I'd love to pick your brain if you have any good starting points on learning this stuff. So far I've been consulting this website www.artiscreation.com/ and trying to use my chemistry knowledge to get a handle on things.
I've always wondered why model painters dont mix their own colors. although a different medium, when i paint with gouache i only use cyan magenta and yellow with white (i sometimes use tube black, but you can just mix cmy to black as well) to get just about every color possible. CMY are the true primaries for subtractive mediums, so no reason it shouldnt work with acrylics.
I can see where mixing your own paints have definite advantages. But isn't it hard to keep your mix consistent? That's something you don't have to worry about with store bought modelling paints.
I'm the type to see it from both perspectives, myself. I "get it", about why and why not to buy individual colors, but the pricing model is what puzzles me. As to the argument about needing only a few select colors, the big issue is that the quantity is still going to be equal, so it's just more convenient to buy it pre-mixed. The catch to that, however, is those price tags. I use everything from Apple Barrel to Citadel (sans a few brands I've yet to acquire, such as Warcolours and Scale75), including inks from Daler-Rowney, Amsterdam and Liquitex. Of course, I, too, come from the artist background, not just a mini painter's background, so like yourself, I see it all from that perspective. It really is amazing how far one can stretch a buck and still maintain quality. The hobby-elitist crowd like to try stifling those who make such claims, but I've compared my own work to that of others, and even using AB gives me more than satisfactory results, every time, and I'm probably one of the most artistically-picky people you'll ever meet. Anal-retentive doesn't even cover it, haha. Anyway, great comment, and I'm very glad that we've a place to have such useful and in-depth discussions w/out quarrel.
Goobertown is like.... the Bob Ross of mini war game painting. Also, fun fact: That Liquitex brand of products you've used so often was one of, if not THE first company to take the recent invention of acrylic paints and market them specifically to artists. They've been doing it since at least the 1950s.
@@GoobertownHobbies I use Liquitex Gesso to prime my minis now, since I live in the Chicagoland area and it gets humid in the summer and freezing in the winter, so sprays are out of the question
Yep and they are easily found in most craft sotres like Micheal's and Hobby Lobby. Liquitex is an old go to and has been reliable and steady over the years where others come and go Liqutex remains loyal and accessible.
I tried this last night, being able to mix any color I want in 15 seconds was amazing. 9 drops medium, 12 drops ink, 2 drops flow, and 2 drops water. Worked perfectly.
Hello, i succeeded to make my contrast using your ratio and scale 75 inks. Thanks! Failed to achieve a good result using vallejo or warcolours using this ratio... any thoughts? Do you know if it's possible to use a paint other than inks? For example, citadel bases or layers? Thank you!
@@flaviuscosta My take from it was that inks are a colored chemical, where paints are solids suspending in a solution. I think that is why they work better. I've been hunting around, and Hobby Lobby has the largest selection of inks by far. Most other stores sell 8-10 colors. HL sells at least 30 colors including most primary colors.
I'm really grateful for this video. I want to get into hobby painting, but the prices have me floored. I'm actually here while searching for alternatives to just plopping down a ton of cash to get launched. This was encouraging.
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 A medium amount of cash helps, but you're right to do a bit of research before you jump in! This hobby is great, do it!!!!! :-)
"I`m not done experimenting and I´m not done learning. I`ve only just begun" is a wonderful finish. It`s a cool slogan for your channel and the hobby in general
Lord in heaven. So glad I found this, was about to go spend a small fortune on the contrast paints tomorrow, but I'm way more interested in tinkering. Great video! Thanks man!
Goobertown Hobbies isn't the place for rants, but Midwinter Minis is, haha. Awesome video matey, I knew you'd nail the Contrast blend, you chemical genius.
I'm go glad I found this video! I'm still quite new to the hobby and expensive paints is one of the reasons I haven't gotten into it as much as I'd like. Knowing there are other options and I CAN experiment with paints really reawakened my excitement!
"I'm also someone who spends most of my time in a good mood". That totally shows! Thanks for the DIY tips, and for your ever-present focus on relaxing and having fun with creating and exploring. :) It is easy to make that a stressful experience.
I just had a pretty bad day at work and came back to this video to check up on the receipt. And I have to say, you really calmed me down. Your videos are genuinely nice and easing. A quality thats underrated I guess. So thanks for making this. You substantially improved my mood today.
i enjoy contrast paints ... i also enjoy my airbrush and working up layers and glazes ... i have all the supplies on hand that you mention in the video so i will have to give it a try .. in the end i do it for the enjoyment of the hobby .. and if i can save a few bucks here and there then even better ... more money saved from buying paints i like = more money i can spend for more minis from my LGS
Oh hey Freddy! That's a great attitude to have! Partially I do these experiments to save a bit of money, but partially to just have some fun and learn something new. Thanks for supporting your local store! :-)
I think this is the third time I’ve watched this video since getting involved in miniature painting several months ago. Watching it today, I think I understand the issue I recently had with an Army Painter Speed Paint, I’m not applying it thick enough for the desired effect. For the record, I have been using mostly Craftsmart paint on my miniatures and gotten some pretty solid results, it can definitely be done if you thin your paints. Thanks for the video!
I enjoyed this video a lot! I'm looking at ways to get my six year old son (almost 7!) into miniature painting, and found that contrast paints looked like a really good way. Seeing that we can experiment with making our own paint is really cool! Thanks for showing us how to do this!
I cannot commend you enough for this video. You did and said so many proactive and positive things, this is exactly the kind of spirit I aspire to take into all of my projects and folks like you set a shining example to communities, especially competitive communities. If you are the type of hobbyist who like to get behind the scenes, under the layers, make/mix your own materials, this approach is for you. If you are the type of hobbyist who enjoys more using the fastest/tightest products/tools, that is perfectly fine too. The Miniac also made an excellent alt-video to the overwhelmingly positive response of contrast paints in which he actually had a friend who was brand new to the hobby paint with them in addition to himself who had been painting for years, then compared the two perspectives.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked this approach. Like I said in the video, I wanted to do a video on this technique ever since I bought those inks back in january, and it was just coincidence that GW claimed to invent the technique in the meantime :-) I saw Scott's video and thought it was REALLY well done. GW did their best to encourage good reviews for this release, flying people to warhammer world in the UK, giving reviewers free cases of paint, etc. I was really glad to see Scott take that free paint and then give a completely honest review!
As someone who is new and getting into painting minis for the first time, I appreciate the knowledge that you've shared! citadel paints are expensive and I love looking for budget solutions so i can spend more money on terrain or more minis lol. Thank you for sharing!!
Luv your video. I use different primers, White, light gray, medium gray, light tan and medium tan. You gave me a great idea, I have a box full of shields that I will never use with some basic textures molded on them. I plan on building me a board, base coating shields in each of the base coats, mount them and apply all my washes, inks and contrasts and home made washes and contrasts. I know citadel posted a picture of bases using their primers and contrast paint but when you repurposed your old models you inspired me so I am in the process of making mine. Again thanks for the great video's..
You're like the offspring of Bob Ross and Mr Rodgers of the miniature world. Seriously thank you for sharing this and thank you for sharing the way you do.
I like how this is laced out like a scientific essay. Intro:say what you are gonna talk about Main part: make your point Conclusion: summarize your point into something that is easy to remember
love your videos, im rusty from not having painted in over a year ( someone in the hobby that I knew gave me ptsd. SA and more...) but I'm ready to take my hobby back, thank you for being a big inspiration for me and many others
I have painted 40+ models to completion using contrast paints this year so far. They are expensive but, for me, my gray wall of shame has really started to shrink. I do have these inks and plan to use your recipe to make some homemade contrast paints.
I make my own washes for terrain. Pre-mixed washes from almost any company are just too expensive for it. I use the Liquitex Carbon Black and Burnt Umber inks (for black and brown washes) along with a 50/50 ish mix of liquitex matt medium and water. Then a bit of fabric effects for the flow. Black Magic Craft's youtube channel gave me the encouragement to mix it myself. Took some trial and error to get the mix how I like it.
That's what I like to hear!! That sounds like a good mix to me. I love the way Jeremy approaches the hobby. On the GW channel for one of their terrain boards, Duncan said with a straight face "you'll need 3 or 4 pots of nuln oil for this" :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies WTF?? .. lol some people .. I love the fact that a lot of channels - yours and BMC included, are demystifying what goes into creating your own paints and washes etc .. And Terrain Tutor, Vince Venturella, Marco Frisoni, and Sorastro are providing a bunch of free information to help everyone make better decisions re their hobbying. Thank you, sir .. although I've long thought about making my own paints .. you've given me the impetus to start some of my own experiments with acrylics .. and Macro has me wanting to start throwing oils over the acrylics.. Although I think he crashed the Kimera website - as ever since he did a tutorial about making all your own colors from their pure pigment range - they've been out of stock - lol. Awesome stuff.
Following I mean as a compliment: Did some party uppers tonight and later on started watching your videos - there's nothing that brings me down so gently and easy, sending up to hard day's sleep. Thank you so much for that. Also, I'm new to the hobby and find your content very helpful and needed. Keep up good work :)
I think the recent price hikes are difficult to justify. The price of contrast is crazy high especially after watching this video. I'll be doing my own experimenting soon with paints. Just to learn more in general. Great video, thanks!
Oh hi Ben! Yeah... I'll pay high prices for sisters of battle, they planted those seeds long ago, but wow is that contrast paint expensive. Have fun with your experiments! :-)
I think over the past two years ive watched this video 10 times love all your videos . Always lots of good info like to watch them as my day winding down.
Thank you for doing this video. I found out about Les's wash recipe a few years ago and I have a handful of FW inks. I really like learning how paints work and now I have another tool in my toolbox. One thing I like to experiment with is mix just a few drops of the inks to see what color I get and then dabbing some on a model to see if it looks like what I want. I can then easily wash it off with water.
You're welcome! A day of experimentation is totally worth it to put another tool in the toolbox :-) I have a feeling that we'll find a lot more great uses for those inks!
I have had great success with contrast paints on my models that I needed to get done quickly for a tournament. I have loved GtH and the information that I have learned. I look forward to gaining more experience with hobbying and being able to be in a position where I'm not trying to rush to get something done for my next game. I enjoy the craft/art side of the hobby. Thank you for having a platform free and educational channel that supports the hobby.
Oh hey Jared! I'm glad you're liking this style of painting and liking the channel. I really enjoy doing these experiments, but I understand that it's a bit of luxury to be able to find a free afternoon to play around like this :-) As I find the the time to do these experiments I'll definitely share the results! BTW, this is the first time I've seen the "GtH" abbreviation- I really like it! :-)
Hi Brent, just popped in to say THANK YOU!!!!! for this video. Just came back to 40K after a hiatus between late 7th and now 9th and had something of a shock whilst out looking for paint seeing how GW has split their range into Air, Base,Contrast, Layer and Technical from the top of my head. Then you come along and show how to make paints and such which best of all turns my colours out actually like how I want them to and best of all, I don't have to go out for a new jar every box or so. (Which perhaps might be a unintended side effect but you're helping me reduce waste and for me that's a big bonus) Once again thank you and keep up the awesome!
Hi Goobertown, i just wanted to say i stumbled across your channel randomly on this video and was expecting there to be a bunch of negativity like the rest of the internet. I LOVE LOVE LOVE your positivity and open and honest discussion. Even though you have a problem with the gw paints, (my exact same problem) you very respectfully stated it and didnt fly off the handle. I want to commend you for your bravery and role modelling in this video. I have now set myself the task of going back through and watching all your vids and i think im not gonna be disappointed. You seem to have a similar attitude to the hobby as i do and am stoked to see an experimental hobbyist who thinks outside the box and brings positivity and reason to this community in a much needed dose. I may have a new favourite youtube channel. Haha
This really makes my day- thank you!!! Yeah I figured the rant niche of the internet is pretty full, and building a positive community is way more worthwhile :-) I'm glad that you like this experimental stuff! There's a lot of wayyy better painters out there than me, but I'm learning, and I think that documenting the learning process can be really interesting. Anyway, nice to meet you! I'm really glad that you found your way here! :-)
I truly appreciate all your videos, your attitude even about something you feel negative about is amazingly calm and you always find something positive to say. You are one of the few channels i actually subscribe to and look forward to watching. Thank you for your great content.
I find that the more heavily pigmented Contrast paints are really something special, they do a great one coat job. If they are leading to less grey plastic, then they are working. Totally with you on the pricing, but GW is always overpriced. Looking forward to the competition offering cheaper alternative. Looking at you Army Painter....
I really do like that ork flesh that I picked up, I'm definitely going to find some excuses to use that now that I have it! There's just no way I can justify buying to whole range to find a handful that I really like though :-) Yeah I've got a good feeling about an army painter release also!
I hope that the other brands don't go crazy and mimic this style of painting. It's just going to lead to a sea of awful, splotchy, coffee stained armies as far as the eye can see.
@@alcovitch Still better than Hordes of Grey Minis i'd say ^^ i am pretty new to painting minis myself and seeing all the pro painter videos around intimidated me a little ... and with the contrast paints i got a decent looking army in a relatively short amount of time .. still goona go and experimet with the "classical technique" sooner or later
Thank you. I’ve been painting figs since the 80s and every time I asked someone about contrast paints they described them like they were magical. But their description sounded just like a wash. But they would swear up and down that they weren’t. Your in depth explanation is exactly the information I wanted.
Man, you have got to be one of the most thought-provoking and freeing hobbyists making content on youtube. Your style reminds me a little bit of Bob Ross. I've been in a bit of a painting rut. I've been focused on results and it's honestly been stressing me out, but you've reminded me to breathe and enjoy myself again. Thank you.
Stephen Lopez it’s not a great look for GW to raise prices while they are delivering fantastic profits and financial results. Jeez give the customers are break on the price increases for a year or two!
Thank you so much. I just recently started this hobby. I’ve been on the fence about miniature painting for quite some time but your message really inspired me to keep trying and focus more on honing my paint skills rather than cranking out a finished but rushed model.
I had been planning to buy a dark blue GW Contrast paint tomorrow, but was totally freaked out by the price tag. I got it into my head to have a look-see on you tube to see if someone had come up with a decent recipe. Yours is the first and only video I watched. I gave it a go, as being a Hobby artist, I already had the supplies. WOW. Thank you.
Yeah... I've got a bunch of smaller/ medium sized model companies that I'm going to try to feature in future episodes. There are lots of other entry points into the hobby of mini painting!
Yup, tbh tho, I think the price hikes are specifically designed to put pps off buying the old style marines and switch to Primaris instead, but all it's gonna do is put older players like me off for good
Their paint is too expensive, they just raised the prices of older models, and a lot of the Forgeworld models just saw another price increase which is the second one in less than a year. Games Workshop is not concerned with the entry level of the hobby just how much money they can make in the moment.
@@masterabaddon6992 I'm still okay with the price of regular pots of citadel it is what it is but the price hike on 40K models will keep me playing Warhammer underworlds and kill team, and even then I've been looking at alternative models.
I was wondering how to mix paints from pigment for about a week now. This video is a superb first step and came out at a pretty convenient time. Your videos are wonderful. The effort you put into them always shines through.
Thanks Scott! Yeah this is something that I had wanted to learn about, and it's a decent place to get started in figuring this all out- I'm glad it's useful :-) Sometime soon I need to just add those pigment powders to medium and see what happens. I bet with a bit of sonication we can get that to work!
I actually began painting miniatures with 50 cent wal-mart craft paint. At that time I wasn't sure if mini-painting was going to be a hobby I would get into, so I didn't want to drop a ton of cash on good paints and then regret the purchase if I didn't like doing it. Let's just say that I ended up really loving the craft and did upgrade to nice paints, but the craft paint was serviceable. It has a wide range of colors, including some AWESOME colored metallics, and do a decent job at painting. They are INSANELY difficult to thin, however, because their pigmentation is a little on the lower end of the quality scale. So while it isn't the ideal way to paint minis, it is a good way to do it on a budget.
Nothing at all wrong with making the best of what you have! I do want to try thinning down those craft paints and either using them as washes or try shooting them through my airbrush. Sure, they're not ideal, but you can get so many colors for so cheap, and it's a fun challenge! :-)
great video again!! I purchased 9 of the contrast paints and medium on release day, did some tests and made a couple of my own neon mixes. streamlined the painting process, made magnetic handles and put coins under each model to increase efficiency of moving from 1 model to the next, simple basing. In 3 weeks I've finished 75+ models and got another 40 ready to go this week. got to say I'm loving the contrast system overall.
I was going to pick up some contrast paints to try out this weekend. What timing on this video! Love your point of view and thank you for making this. New subscriber here!
It's good watching this video again. Every time I find myself tempted to buy a Citadel shade or contrast paint, I rewatch these videos and remember why I haven't bought them. I can make my own.
There is an upside of the high priced contrast paints - it encourages me to look up videos like this and become really educated about my new craft and hobby. My mom has been an artist for years so it is great to have a way to connect but in my own area of interest. Thanks a bunch for the in depth info on paints and how they work so I can mix my own. I just was at the art store last week picking up clay for her and had to take a look around the ink section and wondered if I should get matte or gloss medium, now I know a lot more than that, thanks!
I could go on for an hour and tell you my story about this video and how it related to me. But here`s the RD version. I didn`t click with your style until this video. I must have seen 20 of your other painting presentations but today when you said you were experimenting and discovering for yourself, you really won me over. New found respect sir. I`m almost 60 and after years of being away from the hobby, I`m just getting back in. Suffice to say I am very excited as I thought I was the only one who didn`t think spending a small fortune on paints was a good idea. I`ve purchased GW & Valejo, but the dollar store craft paints when blended, mixed or diluted work just as well. And, I make my own colours. Thanks for the inspiration and keep it up. I`ll be searching for old miniatures to practice on.
I tried out the contrast paints and while not for me (I much prefer a dark a gritty paintjob over a black undercoat) they do what they are meant too do, but I agree their pricing is just insane.
Hey man I respect that you've not gone on a rant. I like that your attitude toward "getting it painted quick" is to slow down and have fun. I've not watched this to see how to mimic the paint as I own pretty much owm the full collection. I'm a FLGS and I've had mixed reviews from people but for the most part its been positive. I'm happy and I think rather than attack GW we should all focus on having fun life is too short.
Hey, nice to meet you! Great profile picture, I'll have to check out some of your videos! Absolutely agree, life is way too short to be ranting all the time :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies thanks so much met him at Warhammer world and did the dreaded "Can I have a picture" felt really corny but glad I did. I've watched a few of your videos and I like your style. Keep up the good work
I did a similar experiment for Contrast paint and arrived at the same conclusion, they are a thicker wash. Similar to their Shades , you can make your own, you just need to adjust the ratios of your Acrylic Ink : Matt Medium : FlowAid add in some PaintExtender / Retarder. I believe some of the Contrast paint have little to no FlowAid as they seems to just stick to the mini when i painted them( Ultramarine blue / Dark Angels green/ FleshTearer Red )
Cool! Yeah that stickiness of contrast paint when you lift the brush off of the model is really interesting, I couldn't figure out if it was something IN the paint or something NOT in the paint. I'm going to keep working on my recipe- thanks for the insight!
I know this an older video. But you're absolutely right about being turned off. As a returning 'newbie' to mini painting I am appalled at the hobby costs. That's how i found your video. So thank you.
I don’t do miniatures I build mostly 1/25 scale model trucks . But I found your videos very helpful. I am currently building a old autocar dump truck from the 70s which I want to build and weather so it looks used and rusty. I used your wash method on the engine. Then added grime and oil stains. I’m super happy with it so far!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
I actually went out and bought a couple of the Liquitex inks after seeing your video, and will be testing them against some comparable GW contrast paints and washes. I've always painted using washes to tint metallic paints, so I'm curious to see how they all look over Leadbelcher and Mithril Silver.
That will be awesome. I love putting washes over metallics! I'm still really happy with those ink purchases, I'm getting a lot of really good use out of them :-)
I know I'm late to the comment party, but I wanted to say a couple of things! First, I do own a few contrast paints, even at their high price point. The reason being - they airbrush very well. They don't perform their intended function through an airbrush, but you don't have to thin them at all. Straight out of the pot and into the brush. Very easy. As for my favorite homemade contrast substitute, I'll defer to midwinter minis for their recipe. 1:1 acrylic matte medium:water with just a couple of drops of dish soap. Boom. Mix a couple of drops of that into your paint and it flows beautifully. Thanks for the cool video. Happy painting and God bless.
Didn't know the channel but I'm already in love! Awesome video! You've got yourself a brand new subscriber! 😊 By the way, you've got such a cute cat! ❤
Oh hey Luli! Welcome aboard, I'm glad that you found your way here :-) Yeah snuffles is pretty cute. Gordon the orange one wanders into some videos too!!!
Another lovely video. You do a good job with these tutorials. I have very limited hobby time these days, but when things quiet down I’ll return to this video and do some experimenting with paint options. I’ll second/third/fourth the comments I read that were glad you stayed positive when discussing this topic; we have enough things that can make us angry in the world today that we don’t need to find extras in our hobbies!
Thanks Ronald! I'm glad that you appreciate my take on this stuff. I totally understand the struggle to find hobby time- getting a free afternoon to dabble is NOT always trivial! Something to look forward to though :-)
Great video dude! My only question is that the focus seemed to be on ink based versions of the wash. I was really keen to see the thinned paint versions against the other two to see how they held up. Did I miss this?!
The half dozen contrast paint i picked up varied in results. The darker colors seemed okay , but the lighter colors seemed to just be a water down wash. I tried using different base colors and varnished with satin gloss and matt and they just didn't deliver what i have seen from GW promos. At this price point these paints are just disappointing.
Honestly, some of the darker colours are fantastic, (flesh tearer for example) by most of the lighter ones are beyond rubbish, especially for the cost per pot. I'd give the range 7/10 at best
I totally agree with this. Of the six pots I bought, that ork flesh green is amazing, the guilliman flesh brown is pretty bad, the rest are decent but not worth the money (to me at least).
Wow great video! I’m glad I came across the opinion of someone who maybe didn’t receive promo bottles from GW. No disrespect towards bigger youtubers who did, but this certainly got my imagination going more. I remember seeing pearlescent inks at the craft store and wonder how they would look. One thing that bothers me about the contrast marketing is that they want it to be a catch all when it is very clearly not. The face of their brand is the primaris ultramarine, but their example model painted with contrast shows its drawbacks more than its usefulness.
Oh hey Heath! Glad this was useful! :-) Yeah GW went pretty hard on their outreach to some big painters/ streamers/ youtubers. That one video where they flew people out to warhammer world to try contrast paint was pretty cringey, even though I love a lot of the folks in that video. I can't blame anyone involved though, the GW marketing hype worked didn't it? :-) I just bought those pearlescent inks recently... I'm going to have to give them a try soon!
I bought some GW Contrast paints and I was also a bit shocked at the price. Then I thought that the traditional GW method of painting is a base, shade, highlight, and finally an edge highlight. So one bottle of Contrast is suppose to replace 4 bottles of paint for the traditional GW method. One bottle of Contrast costs $7.80 whereas to buy 4 bottles of GW paint costs $21.45. So if you look at it from that perspective, you are saving money. I can see there use and how they really help speed the painting process along. Especially if you were getting ready for a tournament and had a limited amount of time. For speed painting, I still prefer the block paint the colors and dip the whole miniature. You can make a whole bunch of dip with some artist ink, Future Floor Polish, and a little flow aid.
Hehe, that's a good rationalization! I have rationalizations for most of my GW purchases, but I haven't internalized a good one for contrast paints yet :-) I love that floor polish trick too!! I use Pledge Floor Care :-)
Thank you for sharing the DIY vs pre-packaged product and not devolving into a soapbox rant. Also, this was the first time I'd see the use of angle brackets for mass mini airbrushing. Clever.
I got into painting models when I was very young. 12 or so. I dropped out for many years because I couldn't afford the ridiculous prices for models from GW. At the time, they were the main source for this hobby for me. Fast forward till now. I have much more disposable income and got back into the hobby. I still avoid buying GW models because they are even more outrageously priced than before. I tend to paint a lot of board game miniature heavy games to supply myself with models without breaking the bank. GW's doubling or tripling of their prices, along with refusing to provide sales of any kind (go in a GW during the holidays and see if anything is on sale..) is a really big deterrent into the hobby for new people. GW makes amazing models but are horrible at everything else business wise.
Yeah... The recent price hike of 10 cadians for 35 dollars reminds me of when 20 of the same sculpt cost $20... And yet I'm going to buy some sisters of battle because they planted some awesome IP seeds 20 years ago :-)
Another great video! I remember painting a bunch of ww2 Russian infantry using washes over white years ago! The whole vibe of your channel is excellent! Keep up the great job & please be safe during these crazy times
I like the options you give in this video. I have been painting, well trying to since the 80s, and I have found that some folks make it look super easy and when I try, well modern art can look better....but I keep at it and have gotten some great paint jobs and some that are well no so great, but I am having fun and that is what matters.
I came to this conclusion at games expo (NEC Birmingham) in June, looking at the use of contrast colour on the GW stand. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis
I'm trying Windsor Newton Matt medium with Rowney inks (managed to get these on sale at £3.50 each & bought 30 of them after my flesh experiments worked) . It all seems to work, as do the intensity range from Scale 75
I'm very lucky. I recently gotten into miniature painting. And due to the current situation going on in the world I was able to get over 100 citadel paints including washes contrast paints tech dry glaze and others for less than 3 dollars a pot. Also got a army painter set for 10 bucks. My local shop was liquidating his paints and minis due to having to move his shop and didn't want them to go to waste. I got a great start up to my new hobby for very affordable prices. And it was my birthday recently so some were also presents from friends and gf. I must say I really enjoy the new community I've stepped into and finding these very talented people and learning along the way. I must say I have a new addiction and I love it. I love learning more and more about this hobby
I love the positivity in your videos. Very relaxing. You've got that Bob Ross feel going on. "I'm just going to put this happy little bugbear right over here." Lol
I think it's great you show people they can work things out for themselves.
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Man, I really get relaxed with your videos. I'm kind of new to minis and didn't expect to found a channel with this uplifting vibe. Thanks for the videos!
I bought the contrast and tbh I like them they're cool I can't tell you how much I love just messing around with colors on models and stuff like just painting
Your videos are fantastic! I'm impressed by your mindset regarding experimenting and not being afraid to fail. That's a rare trait and appreciate you helping perfectionists, like myself, not to see a screwup as a reflection of who we are as people.
"This hobby is amazing, and I want more people to discover it." Great video. I like your posi attitude and sense of painting adventure. Tabletop wargaming and modeling is a hobby for life. Thanks for sharing.
Superb video. I’ve recently started experimenting with “Slapchop” and this video will compliment this technique perfectly. Thank you for demonstrating how to make my own washes and in any color I want. Thank you! Thank you!
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After almost 30 years in the hobby, I might very well have a bigger selection of paints than anyone else, and it probably didn't cost me much more than 100 bucks.
I did use Citadel paints back in the 90's, when I first got into the hobby and didn't know any better, but have long since given them up for cheaper and better alternatives. Just like you, I like mixing my own paints, either from thickening inks, or by thinning down professional soft body acrylics.
With all the attention these new Citadel contrast paints have been given, my old frustration with the GW price point have returned. The way they take advantage of hobbyists in general, and beginners in particular, is appalling. I have even been thinking about making a video similar to yours, explaining how easy they are to make.
The main point I would wish to get across though is not how easy it is to make contrast paints or washes specifically, but rather how silly it is buying large selections of paint of any kind. In theory, you only need three good primary colors (plus black and white), and you can mix whatever you want from them.
When working with real pigments though, it's hard to find ones with perfect mixing properties, so I normally use 6 primaries in practice. But once you've learnt how to mix paint properly, that is truly all you need. No color in the world will require you to mix more than two of those primaries to get the right hue, and then you break it with black and white to find your desired shade, tone or tint.
This is how traditional painters have done it for centuries. They find the handful of pigments that best suit their taste, and then mix whatever else they need. And if you ever doubt the validity of this approach, remember that pretty much every single color image you have ever seen in print media (including GW box art, magazines and posters) have all been made using only cyan, magenta, yellow and black inks. Together with the white of the paper it's printed on, those 4 inks can recreate every colour you see.
So save yourself a lot of money. Buy a small selection of professional acrylics that are high in pigment, and complement them with some acrylic media and a couple of mixing agents. I would say that the most enjoyable part of any painting session is to sit down and premix the colors you plan on using for your figures. Just store the finished paints and washes in plastic dropper bottles (which you can buy in bulk from Amazon) and they will keep forever. You even get to name them yourself, which is a surprising amount of fun :-)
Andreas, this is an awesome post! I'm really trying to learn as much as I can about the different pigments. The color wheel is beautiful & fascinating- but apparently flawed? (well, mixing doesn't always go the way we think it should). Also it's so interesting to me that the primaries that printers use are NOT the primaries we get taught about in school! What are your favorite primaries? Do you have 6 go-to favorite artist pigments?
I do plan to make a series of videos just on pigments someday, so I'd love to pick your brain if you have any good starting points on learning this stuff. So far I've been consulting this website www.artiscreation.com/ and trying to use my chemistry knowledge to get a handle on things.
What are the professional brands you recommend out of curiosity?
I've always wondered why model painters dont mix their own colors. although a different medium, when i paint with gouache i only use cyan magenta and yellow with white (i sometimes use tube black, but you can just mix cmy to black as well) to get just about every color possible. CMY are the true primaries for subtractive mediums, so no reason it shouldnt work with acrylics.
I can see where mixing your own paints have definite advantages. But isn't it hard to keep your mix consistent? That's something you don't have to worry about with store bought modelling paints.
I'm the type to see it from both perspectives, myself. I "get it", about why and why not to buy individual colors, but the pricing model is what puzzles me. As to the argument about needing only a few select colors, the big issue is that the quantity is still going to be equal, so it's just more convenient to buy it pre-mixed. The catch to that, however, is those price tags. I use everything from Apple Barrel to Citadel (sans a few brands I've yet to acquire, such as Warcolours and Scale75), including inks from Daler-Rowney, Amsterdam and Liquitex. Of course, I, too, come from the artist background, not just a mini painter's background, so like yourself, I see it all from that perspective. It really is amazing how far one can stretch a buck and still maintain quality. The hobby-elitist crowd like to try stifling those who make such claims, but I've compared my own work to that of others, and even using AB gives me more than satisfactory results, every time, and I'm probably one of the most artistically-picky people you'll ever meet. Anal-retentive doesn't even cover it, haha. Anyway, great comment, and I'm very glad that we've a place to have such useful and in-depth discussions w/out quarrel.
"Goobertown Hobbies just isn't the place for rants." I love that. That's why I keep watching your videos. :)
Goobertown is like.... the Bob Ross of mini war game painting.
Also, fun fact: That Liquitex brand of products you've used so often was one of, if not THE first company to take the recent invention of acrylic paints and market them specifically to artists. They've been doing it since at least the 1950s.
:-) I'm liking these liquitex products, It seems like a good brand to do some serious exploring with.
same exact thought
@@GoobertownHobbies I use Liquitex Gesso to prime my minis now, since I live in the Chicagoland area and it gets humid in the summer and freezing in the winter, so sprays are out of the question
lol, I just wrote the same comment before scolling down and seeing this one. Agree 100%
Yep and they are easily found in most craft sotres like Micheal's and Hobby Lobby. Liquitex is an old go to and has been reliable and steady over the years where others come and go Liqutex remains loyal and accessible.
"There's no substitute for experience" 👏👏👏
you guys are great teachers to help build upon skills.
I love that you comment on other peoples shit.
Shut up Jeremy
I tried this last night, being able to mix any color I want in 15 seconds was amazing. 9 drops medium, 12 drops ink, 2 drops flow, and 2 drops water. Worked perfectly.
Cool! Thanks for sharing an exact ratio, I'm glad that you found something that works well for you! :-)
Hello, i succeeded to make my contrast using your ratio and scale 75 inks. Thanks!
Failed to achieve a good result using vallejo or warcolours using this ratio... any thoughts?
Do you know if it's possible to use a paint other than inks? For example, citadel bases or layers?
Thank you!
@@flaviuscosta My take from it was that inks are a colored chemical, where paints are solids suspending in a solution. I think that is why they work better. I've been hunting around, and Hobby Lobby has the largest selection of inks by far. Most other stores sell 8-10 colors. HL sells at least 30 colors including most primary colors.
I'll try this out this weekend...thanks
I find this formula works for very light shades but the darker colours must use a LOT more ink to achieve their colours.
these work amazingly with black prime and a few layers of heavy drybrush gray and white
After 30yrs of painting, now after a decade break, I come across, Inks and Contrasts which were not around before. All new to me
welcome back to the hobby!! It's fun to see all the "new" tools that folks are using these days :-)
Happy Goobertown Tuesday! Have a great day everyone :-)
Have a great day too!
I'm really grateful for this video. I want to get into hobby painting, but the prices have me floored. I'm actually here while searching for alternatives to just plopping down a ton of cash to get launched. This was encouraging.
Thanks for making this video. I was just thinking about making my own wash the other day.
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 A medium amount of cash helps, but you're right to do a bit of research before you jump in! This hobby is great, do it!!!!! :-)
@@patrickfurtado4261 Do it!!! :-)
Came to hear the voice of an angel, stayed for the content!
You're always welcome in Goobertown, Emil! :-)
Omg ! Yes!!! This comment exactly his voice is angelic
Haha so true, master painter from sweden. We go to your videos for your good looks, then we stay for the content!
Your cat channel has way too much hobby content. There isn’t enough cat videos on the internet
Yeah... that lazy orange one didn't even show up in this video! I'm gonna have to have a little chat with that fat cat.
What are you talking about? don't you know the cat is the one doing all the camera work and editing! ;D
"I`m not done experimenting and I´m not done learning. I`ve only just begun" is a wonderful finish. It`s a cool slogan for your channel and the hobby in general
Hoho! I'm glad you liked that bit, I was super happy when that one popped into my head. A good line to close on :-)
As a scientist, I always love and appreciate your explanations of molecules, pigments, etc. I may have to give this a go! Thanks for sharing!
Same. I'm a chemist and was really drawn to Goobertowns style and delivery before I knew he was a fellow chemist. Really speaks to my niche.
Lord in heaven. So glad I found this, was about to go spend a small fortune on the contrast paints tomorrow, but I'm way more interested in tinkering. Great video! Thanks man!
Hahaha, Have fun tinkering Joshua! :-)
Some years later, I finally bought a bunch of liquitex inks and some medium, and I'm ready to try these techniques. They look fun!
Goobertown Hobbies isn't the place for rants, but Midwinter Minis is, haha. Awesome video matey, I knew you'd nail the Contrast blend, you chemical genius.
Your video wasn't ranty! It was methodical and very well explained :-)
I agree on the price part. I do want to try the paints out but, watching how easy making them myself, is really an eye opener.
Perfect! Because sometimes you gotta get your rant on! (fyi this is a great site too for painters!)
I loved Penny's (sp?) sound logic on the absurd pricing in the guess the color and model by name vid. lol
So good to see all my fav hobby channels all in one comment section =D
I'm go glad I found this video! I'm still quite new to the hobby and expensive paints is one of the reasons I haven't gotten into it as much as I'd like. Knowing there are other options and I CAN experiment with paints really reawakened my excitement!
"I'm also someone who spends most of my time in a good mood". That totally shows! Thanks for the DIY tips, and for your ever-present focus on relaxing and having fun with creating and exploring. :) It is easy to make that a stressful experience.
I just had a pretty bad day at work and came back to this video to check up on the receipt. And I have to say, you really calmed me down. Your videos are genuinely nice and easing. A quality thats underrated I guess. So thanks for making this. You substantially improved my mood today.
i enjoy contrast paints ... i also enjoy my airbrush and working up layers and glazes ... i have all the supplies on hand that you mention in the video so i will have to give it a try .. in the end i do it for the enjoyment of the hobby .. and if i can save a few bucks here and there then even better ... more money saved from buying paints i like = more money i can spend for more minis from my LGS
Oh hey Freddy! That's a great attitude to have! Partially I do these experiments to save a bit of money, but partially to just have some fun and learn something new. Thanks for supporting your local store! :-)
Hey Brent, your videos, painting philosophy and general outlook are everything that is great about the hobby!
I think this is the third time I’ve watched this video since getting involved in miniature painting several months ago. Watching it today, I think I understand the issue I recently had with an Army Painter Speed Paint, I’m not applying it thick enough for the desired effect.
For the record, I have been using mostly Craftsmart paint on my miniatures and gotten some pretty solid results, it can definitely be done if you thin your paints. Thanks for the video!
I enjoyed this video a lot! I'm looking at ways to get my six year old son (almost 7!) into miniature painting, and found that contrast paints looked like a really good way. Seeing that we can experiment with making our own paint is really cool! Thanks for showing us how to do this!
You're legit the Bob Ross of mini painting and I love your channel so much for that
I cannot commend you enough for this video. You did and said so many proactive and positive things, this is exactly the kind of spirit I aspire to take into all of my projects and folks like you set a shining example to communities, especially competitive communities.
If you are the type of hobbyist who like to get behind the scenes, under the layers, make/mix your own materials, this approach is for you. If you are the type of hobbyist who enjoys more using the fastest/tightest products/tools, that is perfectly fine too.
The Miniac also made an excellent alt-video to the overwhelmingly positive response of contrast paints in which he actually had a friend who was brand new to the hobby paint with them in addition to himself who had been painting for years, then compared the two perspectives.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked this approach. Like I said in the video, I wanted to do a video on this technique ever since I bought those inks back in january, and it was just coincidence that GW claimed to invent the technique in the meantime :-)
I saw Scott's video and thought it was REALLY well done. GW did their best to encourage good reviews for this release, flying people to warhammer world in the UK, giving reviewers free cases of paint, etc. I was really glad to see Scott take that free paint and then give a completely honest review!
As someone who is new and getting into painting minis for the first time, I appreciate the knowledge that you've shared! citadel paints are expensive and I love looking for budget solutions so i can spend more money on terrain or more minis lol. Thank you for sharing!!
Another great video, Brent. Your content has a certain 'Bob Ross' quality that is quite pleasant.
Thank you- that is truly the highest compliment :-)
I totally agree! I was gonna say the same.
exactly what i got too, haha. Invoking the Ross, man! :)
Luv your video. I use different primers, White, light gray, medium gray, light tan and medium tan. You gave me a great idea, I have a box full of shields that I will never use with some basic textures molded on them. I plan on building me a board, base coating shields in each of the base coats, mount them and apply all my washes, inks and contrasts and home made washes and contrasts. I know citadel posted a picture of bases using their primers and contrast paint but when you repurposed your old models you inspired me so I am in the process of making mine. Again thanks for the great video's..
There you go! Shields would be perfect for running tests like this! That's a nice little Sunday right there :-)
You're like the offspring of Bob Ross and Mr Rodgers of the miniature world. Seriously thank you for sharing this and thank you for sharing the way you do.
I like how this is laced out like a scientific essay.
Intro:say what you are gonna talk about
Main part: make your point
Conclusion: summarize your point into something that is easy to remember
love your videos, im rusty from not having painted in over a year ( someone in the hobby that I knew gave me ptsd. SA and more...) but I'm ready to take my hobby back, thank you for being a big inspiration for me and many others
I have painted 40+ models to completion using contrast paints this year so far. They are expensive but, for me, my gray wall of shame has really started to shrink. I do have these inks and plan to use your recipe to make some homemade contrast paints.
Oh I LIKE this.
It looks like my afternoon is booked.
I make my own washes for terrain. Pre-mixed washes from almost any company are just too expensive for it. I use the Liquitex Carbon Black and Burnt Umber inks (for black and brown washes) along with a 50/50 ish mix of liquitex matt medium and water. Then a bit of fabric effects for the flow. Black Magic Craft's youtube channel gave me the encouragement to mix it myself. Took some trial and error to get the mix how I like it.
That's what I like to hear!! That sounds like a good mix to me. I love the way Jeremy approaches the hobby.
On the GW channel for one of their terrain boards, Duncan said with a straight face "you'll need 3 or 4 pots of nuln oil for this" :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies WTF?? .. lol some people ..
I love the fact that a lot of channels - yours and BMC included, are demystifying what goes into creating your own paints and washes etc ..
And Terrain Tutor, Vince Venturella, Marco Frisoni, and Sorastro are providing a bunch of free information to help everyone make better decisions re their hobbying.
Thank you, sir .. although I've long thought about making my own paints .. you've given me the impetus to start some of my own experiments with acrylics .. and Macro has me wanting to start throwing oils over the acrylics.. Although I think he crashed the Kimera website - as ever since he did a tutorial about making all your own colors from their pure pigment range - they've been out of stock - lol.
Awesome stuff.
Following I mean as a compliment: Did some party uppers tonight and later on started watching your videos - there's nothing that brings me down so gently and easy, sending up to hard day's sleep. Thank you so much for that. Also, I'm new to the hobby and find your content very helpful and needed. Keep up good work :)
I think the recent price hikes are difficult to justify. The price of contrast is crazy high especially after watching this video. I'll be doing my own experimenting soon with paints. Just to learn more in general. Great video, thanks!
Oh hi Ben! Yeah... I'll pay high prices for sisters of battle, they planted those seeds long ago, but wow is that contrast paint expensive. Have fun with your experiments! :-)
I think over the past two years ive watched this video 10 times love all your videos . Always lots of good info like to watch them as my day winding down.
Thank you for doing this video. I found out about Les's wash recipe a few years ago and I have a handful of FW inks. I really like learning how paints work and now I have another tool in my toolbox. One thing I like to experiment with is mix just a few drops of the inks to see what color I get and then dabbing some on a model to see if it looks like what I want. I can then easily wash it off with water.
You're welcome! A day of experimentation is totally worth it to put another tool in the toolbox :-) I have a feeling that we'll find a lot more great uses for those inks!
I have had great success with contrast paints on my models that I needed to get done quickly for a tournament. I have loved GtH and the information that I have learned. I look forward to gaining more experience with hobbying and being able to be in a position where I'm not trying to rush to get something done for my next game. I enjoy the craft/art side of the hobby. Thank you for having a platform free and educational channel that supports the hobby.
Oh hey Jared! I'm glad you're liking this style of painting and liking the channel. I really enjoy doing these experiments, but I understand that it's a bit of luxury to be able to find a free afternoon to play around like this :-) As I find the the time to do these experiments I'll definitely share the results! BTW, this is the first time I've seen the "GtH" abbreviation- I really like it! :-)
I swear my fellow Brent, you are the Bob Ross of mini painting
Lol thanks Brent!
@@GoobertownHobbies I am so sorry in advance that I am probably gonna do this every time xD
Hi Brent, just popped in to say THANK YOU!!!!! for this video.
Just came back to 40K after a hiatus between late 7th and now 9th and had something of a shock whilst out looking for paint seeing how GW has split their range into Air, Base,Contrast, Layer and Technical from the top of my head.
Then you come along and show how to make paints and such which best of all turns my colours out actually like how I want them to and best of all, I don't have to go out for a new jar every box or so.
(Which perhaps might be a unintended side effect but you're helping me reduce waste and for me that's a big bonus)
Once again thank you and keep up the awesome!
Hi Goobertown, i just wanted to say i stumbled across your channel randomly on this video and was expecting there to be a bunch of negativity like the rest of the internet. I LOVE LOVE LOVE your positivity and open and honest discussion. Even though you have a problem with the gw paints, (my exact same problem) you very respectfully stated it and didnt fly off the handle. I want to commend you for your bravery and role modelling in this video.
I have now set myself the task of going back through and watching all your vids and i think im not gonna be disappointed. You seem to have a similar attitude to the hobby as i do and am stoked to see an experimental hobbyist who thinks outside the box and brings positivity and reason to this community in a much needed dose.
I may have a new favourite youtube channel. Haha
This really makes my day- thank you!!! Yeah I figured the rant niche of the internet is pretty full, and building a positive community is way more worthwhile :-) I'm glad that you like this experimental stuff! There's a lot of wayyy better painters out there than me, but I'm learning, and I think that documenting the learning process can be really interesting. Anyway, nice to meet you! I'm really glad that you found your way here! :-)
I truly appreciate all your videos, your attitude even about something you feel negative about is amazingly calm and you always find something positive to say. You are one of the few channels i actually subscribe to and look forward to watching. Thank you for your great content.
I find that the more heavily pigmented Contrast paints are really something special, they do a great one coat job. If they are leading to less grey plastic, then they are working. Totally with you on the pricing, but GW is always overpriced. Looking forward to the competition offering cheaper alternative. Looking at you Army Painter....
I really do like that ork flesh that I picked up, I'm definitely going to find some excuses to use that now that I have it! There's just no way I can justify buying to whole range to find a handful that I really like though :-) Yeah I've got a good feeling about an army painter release also!
Vallejo has been pretty consistently mirroring GW paints, so hopefully they will do that with these!
@@GoobertownHobbies If you want a good review for the whole range check this one out ruclips.net/video/HiRS4tmXe0M/видео.html
I hope that the other brands don't go crazy and mimic this style of painting. It's just going to lead to a sea of awful, splotchy, coffee stained armies as far as the eye can see.
@@alcovitch Still better than Hordes of Grey Minis i'd say ^^ i am pretty new to painting minis myself and seeing all the pro painter videos around intimidated me a little ... and with the contrast paints i got a decent looking army in a relatively short amount of time .. still goona go and experimet with the "classical technique" sooner or later
Thank you. I’ve been painting figs since the 80s and every time I asked someone about contrast paints they described them like they were magical. But their description sounded just like a wash. But they would swear up and down that they weren’t. Your in depth explanation is exactly the information I wanted.
GW: "Can we just drone strike this guy?!"
Lol whoops I've made a huge mistake! :-)
"No! That would prove him right!"
@@GoobertownHobbies Yeah, GW thugs are coming for you. Hide your copyrights.
"He can't do that! Shoot him, or something!"
They'll have to get past the cats.
Man, you have got to be one of the most thought-provoking and freeing hobbyists making content on youtube. Your style reminds me a little bit of Bob Ross. I've been in a bit of a painting rut. I've been focused on results and it's honestly been stressing me out, but you've reminded me to breathe and enjoy myself again. Thank you.
They're also bumping the price of their minis.
Again.
Thanks for the video! Good to see there's an easy custom solution to contrast paints!
Thanks for wathching! And yeah... I remember when 20 cadians were 20 dollars...
Stephen Lopez it’s not a great look for GW to raise prices while they are delivering fantastic profits and financial results. Jeez give the customers are break on the price increases for a year or two!
Thank you so much. I just recently started this hobby. I’ve been on the fence about miniature painting for quite some time but your message really inspired me to keep trying and focus more on honing my paint skills rather than cranking out a finished but rushed model.
This is my first video of yours. You are the modeller’s Bob Ross. Subscribed for more laid-back good vibes 😊
ditto!
Hey I'm so glad that you found the channel! Welcome aboard friend :-)
I had been planning to buy a dark blue GW Contrast paint tomorrow, but was totally freaked out by the price tag. I got it into my head to have a look-see on you tube to see if someone had come up with a decent recipe. Yours is the first and only video I watched. I gave it a go, as being a Hobby artist, I already had the supplies. WOW. Thank you.
I think the price of contrast paints and the recent price hike on older models will all add up to discouraging new players.
Yeah... I've got a bunch of smaller/ medium sized model companies that I'm going to try to feature in future episodes. There are lots of other entry points into the hobby of mini painting!
Yup, tbh tho, I think the price hikes are specifically designed to put pps off buying the old style marines and switch to Primaris instead, but all it's gonna do is put older players like me off for good
@@Coproquim I would agree with you on the primaris thing if it didn't affect every army in 40K right now. Every faction had something go up in price
Their paint is too expensive, they just raised the prices of older models, and a lot of the Forgeworld models just saw another price increase which is the second one in less than a year. Games Workshop is not concerned with the entry level of the hobby just how much money they can make in the moment.
@@masterabaddon6992 I'm still okay with the price of regular pots of citadel it is what it is but the price hike on 40K models will keep me playing Warhammer underworlds and kill team, and even then I've been looking at alternative models.
Great message about practice and enjoying the hobby.
Thanks Russel! I hope this philosophy resonates with people :-)
Could you do a video on dirt/grime washes? Also mud stains/splatters/lumps, oil stains, burns and rust?
That's a very good idea, I'll add it to the list. I've got some ork stuff on the horizon, that might be a good excuse.... :-)
I would also love to see a rust experiment.
@@thornback82 Cool, it's been added to my list! :-)
Yes please
I was wondering how to mix paints from pigment for about a week now. This video is a superb first step and came out at a pretty convenient time. Your videos are wonderful. The effort you put into them always shines through.
Thanks Scott! Yeah this is something that I had wanted to learn about, and it's a decent place to get started in figuring this all out- I'm glad it's useful :-) Sometime soon I need to just add those pigment powders to medium and see what happens. I bet with a bit of sonication we can get that to work!
I actually began painting miniatures with 50 cent wal-mart craft paint. At that time I wasn't sure if mini-painting was going to be a hobby I would get into, so I didn't want to drop a ton of cash on good paints and then regret the purchase if I didn't like doing it. Let's just say that I ended up really loving the craft and did upgrade to nice paints, but the craft paint was serviceable. It has a wide range of colors, including some AWESOME colored metallics, and do a decent job at painting. They are INSANELY difficult to thin, however, because their pigmentation is a little on the lower end of the quality scale. So while it isn't the ideal way to paint minis, it is a good way to do it on a budget.
Nothing at all wrong with making the best of what you have! I do want to try thinning down those craft paints and either using them as washes or try shooting them through my airbrush. Sure, they're not ideal, but you can get so many colors for so cheap, and it's a fun challenge! :-)
great video again!! I purchased 9 of the contrast paints and medium on release day, did some tests and made a couple of my own neon mixes. streamlined the painting process, made magnetic handles and put coins under each model to increase efficiency of moving from 1 model to the next, simple basing.
In 3 weeks I've finished 75+ models and got another 40 ready to go this week. got to say I'm loving the contrast system overall.
Sounds like a quantity over quality thing to be honest.
Whoa! I like the system :-) What kind of models are you painting??
Purely a quantity thing. Had a big box of Tyranids under the bed for around 10years 250+ models loads of them metal plus a few new eBay bargains
I was going to pick up some contrast paints to try out this weekend. What timing on this video! Love your point of view and thank you for making this. New subscriber here!
Welcome aboard Julio! I'm glad you found your way here :-)
It's good watching this video again. Every time I find myself tempted to buy a Citadel shade or contrast paint, I rewatch these videos and remember why I haven't bought them. I can make my own.
There is an upside of the high priced contrast paints - it encourages me to look up videos like this and become really educated about my new craft and hobby. My mom has been an artist for years so it is great to have a way to connect but in my own area of interest. Thanks a bunch for the in depth info on paints and how they work so I can mix my own. I just was at the art store last week picking up clay for her and had to take a look around the ink section and wondered if I should get matte or gloss medium, now I know a lot more than that, thanks!
I could go on for an hour and tell you my story about this video and how it related to me. But here`s the RD version. I didn`t click with your style until this video. I must have seen 20 of your other painting presentations but today when you said you were experimenting and discovering for yourself, you really won me over. New found respect sir. I`m almost 60 and after years of being away from the hobby, I`m just getting back in. Suffice to say I am very excited as I thought I was the only one who didn`t think spending a small fortune on paints was a good idea. I`ve purchased GW & Valejo, but the dollar store craft paints when blended, mixed or diluted work just as well. And, I make my own colours. Thanks for the inspiration and keep it up. I`ll be searching for old miniatures to practice on.
I tried out the contrast paints and while not for me (I much prefer a dark a gritty paintjob over a black undercoat) they do what they are meant too do, but I agree their pricing is just insane.
Absolutely!
Hey man I respect that you've not gone on a rant. I like that your attitude toward "getting it painted quick" is to slow down and have fun. I've not watched this to see how to mimic the paint as I own pretty much owm the full collection. I'm a FLGS and I've had mixed reviews from people but for the most part its been positive. I'm happy and I think rather than attack GW we should all focus on having fun life is too short.
Hey, nice to meet you! Great profile picture, I'll have to check out some of your videos! Absolutely agree, life is way too short to be ranting all the time :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies thanks so much met him at Warhammer world and did the dreaded "Can I have a picture" felt really corny but glad I did. I've watched a few of your videos and I like your style. Keep up the good work
I did a similar experiment for Contrast paint and arrived at the same conclusion, they are a thicker wash. Similar to their Shades , you can make your own, you just need to adjust the ratios of your Acrylic Ink : Matt Medium : FlowAid add in some PaintExtender / Retarder. I believe some of the Contrast paint have little to no FlowAid as they seems to just stick to the mini when i painted them( Ultramarine blue / Dark Angels green/ FleshTearer Red )
Cool! Yeah that stickiness of contrast paint when you lift the brush off of the model is really interesting, I couldn't figure out if it was something IN the paint or something NOT in the paint. I'm going to keep working on my recipe- thanks for the insight!
I know this an older video. But you're absolutely right about being turned off. As a returning 'newbie' to mini painting I am appalled at the hobby costs. That's how i found your video.
So thank you.
Fantastic video! it was very helpful
Glad to hear it!! :-)
I don’t do miniatures I build mostly 1/25 scale model trucks . But I found your videos very helpful. I am currently building a old autocar dump truck from the 70s which I want to build and weather so it looks used and rusty. I used your wash method on the engine. Then added grime and oil stains. I’m super happy with it so far!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
I actually went out and bought a couple of the Liquitex inks after seeing your video, and will be testing them against some comparable GW contrast paints and washes. I've always painted using washes to tint metallic paints, so I'm curious to see how they all look over Leadbelcher and Mithril Silver.
That will be awesome. I love putting washes over metallics! I'm still really happy with those ink purchases, I'm getting a lot of really good use out of them :-)
Don't limit yourself to leadbelcher and silver. Warm tones can look great over gold and similar colors as well.
@@LordMagiru I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip! :-)
I don't even bother with GW sprays, the Poundland gold and silver are nearly as good, and you can buy 14 cans for the price of one
And I assume there are dollar store equivalents in the USA
I know I'm late to the comment party, but I wanted to say a couple of things!
First, I do own a few contrast paints, even at their high price point. The reason being - they airbrush very well. They don't perform their intended function through an airbrush, but you don't have to thin them at all. Straight out of the pot and into the brush. Very easy.
As for my favorite homemade contrast substitute, I'll defer to midwinter minis for their recipe. 1:1 acrylic matte medium:water with just a couple of drops of dish soap. Boom. Mix a couple of drops of that into your paint and it flows beautifully.
Thanks for the cool video. Happy painting and God bless.
Didn't know the channel but I'm already in love! Awesome video! You've got yourself a brand new subscriber! 😊 By the way, you've got such a cute cat! ❤
Oh hey Luli! Welcome aboard, I'm glad that you found your way here :-) Yeah snuffles is pretty cute. Gordon the orange one wanders into some videos too!!!
Another lovely video. You do a good job with these tutorials. I have very limited hobby time these days, but when things quiet down I’ll return to this video and do some experimenting with paint options.
I’ll second/third/fourth the comments I read that were glad you stayed positive when discussing this topic; we have enough things that can make us angry in the world today that we don’t need to find extras in our hobbies!
Thanks Ronald! I'm glad that you appreciate my take on this stuff. I totally understand the struggle to find hobby time- getting a free afternoon to dabble is NOT always trivial! Something to look forward to though :-)
Great video dude! My only question is that the focus seemed to be on ink based versions of the wash. I was really keen to see the thinned paint versions against the other two to see how they held up. Did I miss this?!
Your chill delivery, positive attitude, and experimental nature remind me a lot of Uncle Atom of Table Top Minions. Awesome channel!
Hey thanks! The world needs more Uncle Atoms :-)
The half dozen contrast paint i picked up varied in results. The darker colors seemed okay , but the lighter colors seemed to just be a water down wash. I tried using different base colors and varnished with satin gloss and matt and they just didn't deliver what i have seen from GW promos. At this price point these paints are just disappointing.
Totally. In the 6 that I bought, I really like one (green), one is pretty bad (guilliman flesh), and the rest are OK but nowhere near $8
@@GoobertownHobbies Man everywhere i go on youtube people are saying Guilliman Flesh is amazing. It looks awful as a one coat skin tone frankly.
I love your approach to the subject and overall positive attitude that you are maintaining. Keep it up and thank you.
I seriously think you need to do some mini painting videos in a style ala bob ross. You're videos are all zen like, man XD
Hehehe, maybe I'll give that a shot as a bit of a joke. I'm glad you're liking the videos, hopefully folks like zen mini painting :-)
You are the Bob Ross of mini painting, and I love it.
Hehehehe, I'm just trying to spread the Joy of Painting :-)
Honestly, some of the darker colours are fantastic, (flesh tearer for example) by most of the lighter ones are beyond rubbish, especially for the cost per pot. I'd give the range 7/10 at best
I totally agree with this. Of the six pots I bought, that ork flesh green is amazing, the guilliman flesh brown is pretty bad, the rest are decent but not worth the money (to me at least).
Wow great video! I’m glad I came across the opinion of someone who maybe didn’t receive promo bottles from GW. No disrespect towards bigger youtubers who did, but this certainly got my imagination going more. I remember seeing pearlescent inks at the craft store and wonder how they would look.
One thing that bothers me about the contrast marketing is that they want it to be a catch all when it is very clearly not. The face of their brand is the primaris ultramarine, but their example model painted with contrast shows its drawbacks more than its usefulness.
Oh hey Heath! Glad this was useful! :-) Yeah GW went pretty hard on their outreach to some big painters/ streamers/ youtubers. That one video where they flew people out to warhammer world to try contrast paint was pretty cringey, even though I love a lot of the folks in that video. I can't blame anyone involved though, the GW marketing hype worked didn't it? :-)
I just bought those pearlescent inks recently... I'm going to have to give them a try soon!
I am not going to try Gw contrast paints. The cost is too high and I own so much much paint and washes already, plus the price is just too high.
3 very solid reasons :-)
Don't forget that they are also very expensive.
And too high.
@@egodreas They cost alot of money as well.
The Bob Ross of miniature painting. Such a comfy and wholesome video.
Ah yes, my favorite compliment :-) I'm really glad you liked the video, thanks for watching!
You should make your own version of contrast paint and sell them for half the price of gw
Call them Goobertrast Paints
Hehehe, I smell a lawsuit!! :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies imagine how much money gw make on this paint from something that's so easy to cook up yourself when you know the recipe
At the very least poke Secret Weapon and see if they're willing to tweak their wash recipes
@@GoobertownHobbies Only if you use "contrast" in the title, just call them heavy washes and you're good to go
I made a black wash about a week ago, but used watered down modge podge instead of acrylic medium. It still works, and I'm proud of it.
I bought some GW Contrast paints and I was also a bit shocked at the price. Then I thought that the traditional GW method of painting is a base, shade, highlight, and finally an edge highlight. So one bottle of Contrast is suppose to replace 4 bottles of paint for the traditional GW method. One bottle of Contrast costs $7.80 whereas to buy 4 bottles of GW paint costs $21.45. So if you look at it from that perspective, you are saving money. I can see there use and how they really help speed the painting process along. Especially if you were getting ready for a tournament and had a limited amount of time. For speed painting, I still prefer the block paint the colors and dip the whole miniature. You can make a whole bunch of dip with some artist ink, Future Floor Polish, and a little flow aid.
Hehe, that's a good rationalization! I have rationalizations for most of my GW purchases, but I haven't internalized a good one for contrast paints yet :-) I love that floor polish trick too!! I use Pledge Floor Care :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies considering you go through a bottle of contrast 4x as fast because you can't use thin coats.
Thank you for sharing the DIY vs pre-packaged product and not devolving into a soapbox rant. Also, this was the first time I'd see the use of angle brackets for mass mini airbrushing. Clever.
I got into painting models when I was very young. 12 or so. I dropped out for many years because I couldn't afford the ridiculous prices for models from GW. At the time, they were the main source for this hobby for me.
Fast forward till now. I have much more disposable income and got back into the hobby. I still avoid buying GW models because they are even more outrageously priced than before. I tend to paint a lot of board game miniature heavy games to supply myself with models without breaking the bank.
GW's doubling or tripling of their prices, along with refusing to provide sales of any kind (go in a GW during the holidays and see if anything is on sale..) is a really big deterrent into the hobby for new people.
GW makes amazing models but are horrible at everything else business wise.
Yeah... The recent price hike of 10 cadians for 35 dollars reminds me of when 20 of the same sculpt cost $20... And yet I'm going to buy some sisters of battle because they planted some awesome IP seeds 20 years ago :-)
I love how chill and informative these videos are. You're the Bob Ross of the hobby. 🎨 😊
Hehehe Thanks! WAIT- There's a palette emoji? I gotta learn how to use those!!! :-)
Another great video! I remember painting a bunch of ww2 Russian infantry using washes over white years ago! The whole vibe of your channel is excellent! Keep up the great job & please be safe during these crazy times
I like the options you give in this video. I have been painting, well trying to since the 80s, and I have found that some folks make it look super easy and when I try, well modern art can look better....but I keep at it and have gotten some great paint jobs and some that are well no so great, but I am having fun and that is what matters.
Having fun is what matters! Hopefully you've been having fun painting since the 80s :-)
@@GoobertownHobbies I have
Thank man! I took your advice and mixed my own washes. Created the depth I need for my space marines.
I came to this conclusion at games expo (NEC Birmingham) in June, looking at the use of contrast colour on the GW stand. Thanks for confirming my hypothesis
Oh hi Steve- I'm glad that we could figure this out! :-)
I'm trying Windsor Newton Matt medium with Rowney inks (managed to get these on sale at £3.50 each & bought 30 of them after my flesh experiments worked) . It all seems to work, as do the intensity range from Scale 75
I'm very lucky. I recently gotten into miniature painting. And due to the current situation going on in the world I was able to get over 100 citadel paints including washes contrast paints tech dry glaze and others for less than 3 dollars a pot. Also got a army painter set for 10 bucks. My local shop was liquidating his paints and minis due to having to move his shop and didn't want them to go to waste. I got a great start up to my new hobby for very affordable prices. And it was my birthday recently so some were also presents from friends and gf. I must say I really enjoy the new community I've stepped into and finding these very talented people and learning along the way. I must say I have a new addiction and I love it. I love learning more and more about this hobby
I love the positivity in your videos. Very relaxing. You've got that Bob Ross feel going on. "I'm just going to put this happy little bugbear right over here." Lol
I think it's great you show people they can work things out for themselves.
Man, I really get relaxed with your videos. I'm kind of new to minis and didn't expect to found a channel with this uplifting vibe. Thanks for the videos!
I bought the contrast and tbh I like them they're cool I can't tell you how much I love just messing around with colors on models and stuff like just painting
They are pretty fun! For me the danger with any new paint line is that I keep buying them to try out all the different colors :-)
I have a dozen different type of acrylic mediums and haven't had the guts to dive into experimentation. This video has convinced me to give it a go.
Have fun my friend! Let us know if you come up with anything awesome! :-)
Your videos are fantastic! I'm impressed by your mindset regarding experimenting and not being afraid to fail. That's a rare trait and appreciate you helping perfectionists, like myself, not to see a screwup as a reflection of who we are as people.
"This hobby is amazing, and I want more people to discover it."
Great video. I like your posi attitude and sense of painting adventure. Tabletop wargaming and modeling is a hobby for life. Thanks for sharing.
Superb video. I’ve recently started experimenting with “Slapchop” and this video will compliment this technique perfectly. Thank you for demonstrating how to make my own washes and in any color I want. Thank you! Thank you!
Your honesty is very refreshing and much appreciated!
Hehe, I try!