COLOUR THEORY for Painting MINIATURES makes no sense, right?

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @izaiahwoodfy8967
    @izaiahwoodfy8967 Месяц назад +24

    I commented on your priming video saying that I'd watched it numerous times. I'd been meaning to come back to you and ask that you make EXACTLY THIS VIDEO, because as much as I wanted to follow the "multi-color airbrush" priming technique, I didn't have the confidence to pick priming colors that would boost my final product.
    I haven't had the chance yet to watch this one, but THANK YOU for making it. Your visuals are always incredibly clear and easy to follow, and if what I learned about color theory from your priming and ink mixing videos is anything to go off of, this video is going to be absolutely invaluable.
    Keep it up mate. You are very much appreciated!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +2

      Yes I remember your comment mate. Welcome back! I hope this one helps in the same way.

  • @davidhotson1594
    @davidhotson1594 17 дней назад +3

    As somebody in there 40’s starting the hobby alongside my young son this channel has blown my mind. It’s a very scary world to join at this age when you have less artistic skill than a potato. These breakdown some of those barriers and while it will take years to master the skills to paint having some of this knowledge feels like having no a cheat sheet !! Thanks

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  16 дней назад

      Watch Toy Story 3 with your kid. You’ll realise the “potato” has some pretty great artistic skill when replacing his entire body with a tortilla to solve a creative problem!
      Don’t underestimate potatoes!! 😜👍🏼

  • @jimmonroe5193
    @jimmonroe5193 Месяц назад +15

    60/30/10/10 made me snort as a math teacher, but makes complete sense in this context

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +5

      Yes! I’m a qualified engineer so I know how you feel but I often find an explanation needs to be broken in order to be memorable and stick. Especially with kids as you’ll know all to well. 🤣👍🏼

    • @SigurdBraathen
      @SigurdBraathen Месяц назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023 : What kind of engineer?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Mechanical

  • @dseeley440
    @dseeley440 6 дней назад +1

    I found your channel yesterday and I have been locked into binge watching all your videos, your explanation of color theory has allowed terms and ideas I have been hearing for over a year now to finally make sense but also has opened my eyes to a lot possibilities with my painting. I have already ordered the necessary kit to start my own making my own colors and contrast paints with your inks

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  6 дней назад

      Wow! Thank you amazingly for watching my stuff. And I glad it made a difference.

  • @desnou
    @desnou 7 дней назад +2

    Speaking as a professional designer. What is the most commonly misunderstood about colour theory, and sadly also present in this video, is that the most popular colour harmonies except for monochrome and analogous are merely recepies for grey. We then call them "balanced" and proceed to... break that balance by sticking to another absurds like 60-30-10(-10) rule. This is because we actually don't want our art to be balanced if we want to express anything with it. The message is in the imbalance. Miniatures enthusiast commonly understand this principle when it comes to the sculpt - a balanced sculpt feels static, unbalanced feels dynamic, and those two suit different situations. There are also different degrees of imbalance - e.g. a slight dynamism of a shooting Space Marine vs acrobatic dynamism of a vaulting Harlequin. Your Dreadnought balancing on a toe will look silly, close combat assasin just standing with a pistol will look boring .The other way around the dreadnought will look imposing and assassin agile. The same concept applies to colour palettes. Sticking to the same Harlequin example - 60-30-10 rule applied to a troupe of cosmic clowns treating warzones as their stage for literal plays feels completely innapropriate, especially when applied per model to the army as a whole. Lastly, a simple food for thought: according to colour theory, a carrot is hideous abomination of the rules, as is a forest landscape picture. And yet, neither is usually perceived as ugly.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  7 дней назад

      I can’t disagree with many of your points. As an exec creative director and 33 year veteran designer in the entertainment industry (movie and game marketing) your points are totally valid. But this is the problem. Average Joe, non designer, doesn’t want to delve deeply into colour theory like we have. They want a simple formula for making an army look like an army.
      Personally I think olive drab army fatigues for our military suck but get why it’s done. One for camo and two for recognising who’s on your side. Sure they could go a different way like a carrot but the practicalities of colour often outway the choices.
      When it comes to painting armies there’s no message in the imbalance. There’s just a hideous multi colour incoherent mass of minis that do t look like they belong together.
      I’m all for art as a long standing designer. I applaud it. But I’m also a big fan of simple lessons that all can follow to get models on the table. 👍🏼

  • @dagoelius
    @dagoelius Месяц назад +10

    The biggest problem I had with RGB colour wheels is the lack of black, brown hues which are everywhere in real world. Using James Gurney's gamut masking on a Real Colour Wheel is the best tool you will ever need.

  • @stoinercraft6389
    @stoinercraft6389 Месяц назад +8

    Theory (θεωρία ‎[theōría]) means seeing, looking, examining, viewing and considering
    combine that with color, you get to "see color, consider color, view color"
    lovely video as always!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +2

      I always saw it as a “supposition” or an “idea justification” in modern parlance rather than your very accurate Ancient Greek definition.
      Either way. Still rarely helps paint the voidscarred…🤣🤣🤣👍🏼

    • @stoinercraft6389
      @stoinercraft6389 Месяц назад +1

      ​ @thestateofplay2023 I totally agree with what you said in the video!
      it's just that while trying to learn music theory, i also learned the meaning behind the word "theory", so when you asked "why is it called that anyway?" i just wanted to type the rough definition of it 😅

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Appreciated!!

  • @koz1138
    @koz1138 25 дней назад +2

    Oh man once I saw the blue/orange movie poster thing I could never see anything else. The ubiquity of it is STAGGERING.
    I've got visual processing deficits that make things like implementing color theory almost impossible for me; videos like this are super helpful. When it comes to creating color schemes I also picked up the Color Cube after seeing Ninjon recommend it. I'm all for getting lost in the weeds now and then but there's something to be said for flipping through a bunch of cards and then just saying "this one" and knowing what you have won't be ugly.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  24 дня назад

      I agree. I’d just be careful of buying all the things creators recommend. I love Jon but a lot of the bigger guys now seem to be hocking products twice per video. And even a colour cube doesn’t tell you what ratio to use those colours. So it can still end up looking garish. 🤣🤣

    • @koz1138
      @koz1138 14 дней назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023 I'm American. Garish is our stock in trade.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  14 дней назад +1

      Well you have all the same colours in your flag as the U.K. but you guys managed to make yours look cool. 👍🏼😄

  • @Stuartino
    @Stuartino Месяц назад +5

    My favourite channel, best production, best graphics great presentation. Well done. Please give up your day job and weekly!!! I know it’s not that easy!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +2

      Until YT increases my views into the millions I need to stick with my job. And I make game trailers and movie posters so it’s great fun anyway. 😜👍🏼
      Sadly Warhammer hobby vids don’t get anywhere near those views. I honesty don’t know how my peer creators can pay staff, to be honest.
      I’ll do it for fun. Less pressure. More enjoyable. 👍🏼😄

  • @MrSJPowell
    @MrSJPowell Месяц назад +10

    This is a phenomenal color theory primer, and is going straight into my Mini Painting Advice playlist. I do love your rounded complementary colors, as it fits pretty well with what I've been using.
    Here's a fun bit of color theory that's stuck with me for years: did you know that in the fashion industry, red is considered a neutral color? It isn't a neutral color in that it doesn't draw the eye, however it will work in any other color scheme as an accent color.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +3

      I did not know that about red. And I spent 3 Uni years living with fashion design students. It’s a good shout for clothing although I’m sure a raging bull would argue if you waved red cloth at him. 🤣🤣

  • @tuvaaq
    @tuvaaq Месяц назад +46

    You should make a physical of your colour wheel and take my money, the square money not the rounded stuff!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +6

      🤣 🤣🤣 I’ll be putting digital files on my Patreon tomorrow

    • @tuvaaq
      @tuvaaq Месяц назад

      @@thestateofplay2023 would be an interesting project for a CMYK lithophane 3d print, Bambu Labs would prob send you all the stuff for free if you can pull it off...

    • @Banterbear
      @Banterbear Месяц назад +1

      You can just Google one and print it off?

    • @tuvaaq
      @tuvaaq Месяц назад +1

      @@Banterbear I could buy one for £2 and take a scalpel blade to it. Apologies if it was lost on you but it was more of an abstract like for the video than an actual commercial promissary statement. Bants of a sort, you understand Banter right?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      You can.

  • @Durer1471
    @Durer1471 26 дней назад +1

    Excellent video. Easily the best I’ve seen breaking down colour theory. Love your simple approach. Absolutely something I will put into practice!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  25 дней назад

      Oh man thanks for that compliment. Always feels better knowing people watch and take something away with them.

  • @haydnc
    @haydnc Месяц назад +7

    I'm a designer too. Colour theory is something you learn once in college and then intuit for the rest of your professional career. "Learning colour theory" has become a shibboleth for non-designers who think there's some arcane skill out there that only "real" designers are privy to. They're better off just moving paint around and seeing what looks nice to them. I mean, we're just painting toy soldiers for fun, and for many in the hobby it's the only time in their lives where they'll get a paintbrush out and be creative. So screw rules and theories and "proper" ways of doing things. But if someone absolutely HAD to watch a colour theory video, they should watch this one. Bravo, sir.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      🤣🤣I was waiting for you to tear me a new one but you didn’t, so thanks for that!

  • @shadowstep420
    @shadowstep420 28 дней назад +1

    Dude this is amazing thank you it really helped alot. Ive been popping in and out watching your videos but definitely worth the sub. Cant wait to see more from you my man.

  • @Ryuondo
    @Ryuondo Месяц назад +2

    I actually really like your guides. They work REALLY well when picking the colors to highlight and shade with. You take the dominant, get your base hue for the accents and then use the analogous colors to shade and highlight. Works really well outside of the yellows. It's actually how I de ided on my Sisters of Battle cloth colors. Dark purple shadows, magenta base hue, pale pink for the extreme highlights. It looks hella dope on the mini.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Excellent! That’s what I was hoping my weird advice would help with.

  • @Desmond_Craine
    @Desmond_Craine Месяц назад +1

    I just love how you teach others. You have knack for it and are good teacher.
    Thank you for your video and others. I learnt a lot from them. I even did a little colour mixing laboratory in my house.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      It’s a slippery slope. First a mixing table. Then a full cupboard. Then an entire room. Soon….you’ll need to move house. 🤣🤣
      Thanks for the compliment!

  • @Klutzsmith
    @Klutzsmith 20 дней назад +1

    Best video I've ever seen to even mention colour theory.
    Could never understand why everyone was so obsessed with such a rigid system.
    Thank you. 👃

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  20 дней назад +1

      I know what you mean. Creativity is more fun when we break things!! 👍🏼😜

  • @allenfinkenaur5001
    @allenfinkenaur5001 Месяц назад +1

    As a relatively new painter, I decided to get the Fanatic Paint set after watching your video about them, and now the whole triad system there makes so much sense. The best practical painting video I've seen!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      I’m glad I could help and you liked the fanatic paints.

  • @iOfSauron
    @iOfSauron Месяц назад +1

    This has been such helpful advice for me as I am often stuck with colour selection, but this has just been a light bulb moment for me. Thank you.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Oh cool. I’m always happy when something i say genuinely helps someone out.

  • @Goblin-Berzerker
    @Goblin-Berzerker 26 дней назад +1

    Great information. I do like the rounded quad theory. Never really sat down to get an understanding of color theory, saturation, value, etc. until recently. Thank you for the information.

  • @the9nazgul_razul
    @the9nazgul_razul Месяц назад +3

    This was an amazing video. Thank you so much for breaking this down in such a simple to understand manner

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      You're very welcome! Now on to teaching my 4 year old how to tell time on a ticky tock clock - as she calls it. 😭

  • @Ironwally
    @Ironwally Месяц назад +1

    great video! Thanks man. This got me back to beeing really excited about painting my models again!😊
    I hope your channels keeps on growing and growing!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Oh man. Glad to hear you say that. That was the point of my channel, to get people excited about the hobby again!

  • @smokydokey3814
    @smokydokey3814 Месяц назад +1

    this has helped me so much compared to probably a hundred other videos i've watched trying to figure out what i want to paint my army. thank you so much for taking the time to make this

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      If it gets more of your models on the table…I’m happy! 👍🏼

  • @McVilla1N
    @McVilla1N Месяц назад +1

    THIS IS THE VIDEO I'VE BEEN WAITING ON!!! Lol going back to art school with this one😂😂😂! I'm a tattoo artist for over 20+ years who enjoys this hobby in his free time and well I say that to say even I still learn things every single day. The day you stop learning is the day you stop getting better.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Half I could help out. But as a tattoo artist I’m not sure you need it…

  • @RespiraparatuVida
    @RespiraparatuVida Месяц назад +1

    As always, making the best and most sensible videos about our hobby. Superclass video! Thanks Will

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      That’s me. Sensible. 🤣 I was aiming for informative but I’ll accept that. 👍🏼😜

    • @RespiraparatuVida
      @RespiraparatuVida Месяц назад +1

      @thestateofplay2023 Hahahahaha! 🤣🤣 I mean reasonable!! 😜

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      I’ll take that too. 😜

  • @garyjenson1326
    @garyjenson1326 Месяц назад +2

    Yay video! I hope your vacation was restful Will.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Sadly not. Not a vacation. Just a lot of work trying to market and advertise the games industry out of the hole it dug for itself. I can’t believe how many time I now have to say, “but who is your target audience?”…🤣

    • @garyjenson1326
      @garyjenson1326 Месяц назад +1

      @thestateofplay2023 well I just subscribed. So maybe with my help, and 5k others, you can leave it all behind and laugh while they sink.😆

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Oh I’ll laugh anyway. 🤣

  • @JG.112
    @JG.112 26 дней назад +1

    Great video. Super helpful, and confidence building.

  • @hodelngasu3103
    @hodelngasu3103 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for the video. I came across your channel from your Priming video, and it really inspired me for my next few projects making my Salamanders and Dark Kraken (Successor Chapter) Armies.

  • @Sheep.L-qy1xm
    @Sheep.L-qy1xm Месяц назад +1

    Great video as always Wil, insightful, helpful and a lot easier to understand then just a round wheel full of different colours. Love the idea of various colours instead of pinpoints, as this allows a much wider choice of colours rather than (oh i have to use this colour as this is shown on the wheel) also allows for variation. i think my biggest gripe with armies is people take the box art as gospel, instead of a starting point.( its your army paint it how you want)... sorry soapbox moment over... again great video, love watching your stuff and learning stuff too.😁

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      I agree with you. Box art is often cool, sometimes even the best harmony but we do t all buy the same colour car. So our squads and armies should also be unique to us. 🤣🤣

  • @mikelaaper9100
    @mikelaaper9100 25 дней назад +1

    Great video. I never got colour theory. My wife can look at colours and feel cold or warm. I just see the colour.
    I liked the explanation of black white and browns and how the can substitute for a colour. I have never seen that explanation before

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  24 дня назад

      You’re lucky. My wife looks at colours, asks me what I think, I tell her and ultimately blames me when she doesn’t like it.

  • @unexistz
    @unexistz Месяц назад +1

    Best video on the subject I've ever watched. Thanks a ton!

  • @brendenconolly7161
    @brendenconolly7161 8 дней назад +1

    Fantastic video Will! So much good insight. And the Hugh Hefner joke 😅

  • @MiszAgrippa
    @MiszAgrippa Месяц назад +1

    And for reals, great video as always man. I don't paint much nowadays but it's always a treat to listen about your thoughts and experience. Especially because of your previous work, I don't feel like watching another video, where someone discovered a theory on wikipedia and dogmatically tries to adhere to it.
    Well, and you're quite funny.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      I appreciate that! You should paint something though. Even as a stress reliever! 🤣

    • @MiszAgrippa
      @MiszAgrippa Месяц назад +1

      I'm easily impressionable, so I guess I'll give your method a try once my new edition of Talisman arrives with gray figures!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Awesome! Enjoy!

  • @brianv769
    @brianv769 26 дней назад +1

    This is a great video, and as someone who has watched more than a few color theory videos (both miniature and art presenters) in able to improve and continue to learn…this is the best one. As you said, we are trying to paint piles of shame. 😂

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  26 дней назад

      🤣🤣 yes exactly painting piles of shame should be fun and not a lengthy lesson in artistic colour interpretation. 😜

  • @DreamPetrucci51
    @DreamPetrucci51 2 дня назад +1

    Really nice video, just what I needed at the moment. Thank you !

  • @philgee486
    @philgee486 Месяц назад +1

    Practical Colourism?
    I do so enjoy these chats Will, even though I never get a word in edgewise
    You have such interesting, well presented takes on hobby matters, it's no hardship at all to listen.
    Really good vid Will, it's given me some better insights,.
    Seems I've always underused desaturation to set aside colours without losing the shape om on the colour wheel - Which just leads to "sod the colour wheel" and just pick!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Ok. Fine. Next time I’ll let you speak. But put your hand up first. And yeah, even I sometimes go “oh bollocks, this colour”. 😜

  • @seanmalloy7249
    @seanmalloy7249 Месяц назад +5

    There is a book, "Color Problems" by Emily Noyes Vanderpoel, that goes into color theory, how light interacts with colored objects, color combinations and how they work together, and other information about the use of color, and has quite a few 10x10 grids breaking out the proportions of color from real-world examples whose layout confused me until I realized that colors that did not touch in the grid did not touch in the original, so they showed both the colors in proportion and the separation of colors in the original pattern.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Thanks I’ll look that up. Love a new book for my shelves.

    • @seanmalloy7249
      @seanmalloy7249 Месяц назад +2

      @@thestateofplay2023 Because it's centered more around physical coloring, it matches much better to painting miniatures than the RGB illumination-based color wheel. The section on what colored light does to colors gives me ideas for more subtle OSL effects, too.

  • @sebastiang.5032
    @sebastiang.5032 Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant video, edit work is amazing, too!

  • @kasparbaktat964
    @kasparbaktat964 Месяц назад +1

    Really insightful! Thank you for creating it!

  • @KimHarderFog
    @KimHarderFog Месяц назад +1

    Great video - been wondering where you've been.

  • @JeffsDioramas
    @JeffsDioramas Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for another brilliant video. I have learnt more about colour from your videos than I ever did from my art teachers.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      That’s because art teachers weren’t good enough to be maths teachers so we’re constantly hating their jobs. 🤣🤣 Glad you liked it! 👍🏼

  • @cylondorado4582
    @cylondorado4582 29 дней назад +1

    I was just thinking of a scheme for my Eldar and I was worried I didn’t know enough about color theory. But this made me feel better about just trying something.
    So far the idea is to be kind of like Space Wood Elves, so dark green and brown as the main colors and a little purple (which kind of fits that 60/30/10 idea). And I also thought it was interesting that on different things I imagine I’d swap which one is dominant. I started on the Guardians as mostly brown with green helmets/shoulders/knee pads/whatever, and purple helmet eyes, gems, etc. But when I move on to the tank, I think that would look better mostly green.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  29 дней назад +1

      I think you’ve got it. Not sure you need any help mate. 👍🏼😄

    • @mikelaaper9100
      @mikelaaper9100 25 дней назад +1

      You are correct. Tbe vehicles will look better green as there’s dominate colour vs brown. This is what my did with his Eldar tanks.

  • @DarkCastleMiniatures
    @DarkCastleMiniatures Месяц назад +2

    Yes! Always love a new video ❤

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      🤣 if I had a million people like you….👍🏼😜

    • @DarkCastleMiniatures
      @DarkCastleMiniatures Месяц назад +1

      @thestateofplay2023 it's my pleasure to watch, I always take something away with me !

  • @TapCat
    @TapCat Месяц назад +1

    Most of the miniatures I paint are from board games where there is reference art on something like a player board and I'm painting to match that as closely as possible so the figure will be easy to recognize during the game. When I don't have a reference, then I'm likely to start with a color that seems fitting for the subject and then use a book that was recommended in an earlier video to help pick out a color palette and that has worked well for me. But I don't really care about percentages because at the end of the day, I'm trying to make the mini look like it could exist in real life and I'm not going to paint a bunch of random things the same color just to hit that number. In fact, even if I'm using neutrals I don't paint belt, gun stock, shoes, pouches, and hair all the same color... they can all be varying shades of brown and looks a lot better to my eye.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah board game models are cool and help a lot with the guides.
      And neutrals don’t all have to be the same colour. You can use a 100 browns and tint both the black and white into a million hues. 👍🏼

  • @jameshoepfner3555
    @jameshoepfner3555 Месяц назад +1

    Finally! A color theory video I can understand. Thank you.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah I tried doing it in Klingon but no one understood

  • @j1g2w3
    @j1g2w3 Месяц назад +1

    Great explanation and amazing production, thanks! I often think that colour theoy is one of those things where you have to know the rules to be able to break them.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Ah! But it’s a “theory” so there’s no rules. 😜

  • @karlsansom9781
    @karlsansom9781 Месяц назад +17

    As someone also with a background in design I've been banging on about colour theory holding people back for ages. You sir, have made this point exquisitely.

  • @HealingBlight
    @HealingBlight Месяц назад +4

    "Red makes you feel hot, blue makes you feel cold, no, temperature makes you feel hot or old" is a bit of mixing the two different meanings of one word. Temperature makes you feel hot or cold in a tactile sense of the word. Colours might make *feel* something in a psychological/emotional sense of the word despite the objective reality being the same. A dark painted room *feels* smaller than a lightly painted room, despite the room being the same dimensions.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      No, that’s exactly what I was trying to get across. As a designer for over 30 years I don’t believe colour changes my perception of a tactile sense. A red room is the same temp as a blue one. A small dark room is the same size as a small light room. Feelings are subjective. Which was the point I was trying to convey with some humour. Perhaps I did it badly.

    • @krioni86sa
      @krioni86sa 28 дней назад

      @@thestateofplay2023 lol

  • @Grithertime
    @Grithertime Месяц назад +1

    This, like your priming video is super useful. Thanks for doing the work for me. I will sit and enjoy my latte.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Send your minis over. I’ll paint them. I mean, it’ll probably be sometime in 2050 just after I finished my own so hopefully you aren’t in a hurry. 🤣

  • @fernandozavaletabustos205
    @fernandozavaletabustos205 Месяц назад +2

    As a guy who studied some design asssignatures, I appreciate this video a lot.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Thanks for saying. You’ll know from your studies that so many people get trapped with rules and theories when the fun is in the artistic experimentation.

  • @Stonky356
    @Stonky356 Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant explanation, really helped me and amusing too. Thanks

  • @ironxYT
    @ironxYT Месяц назад +1

    what's the song playing at 2:55?? i must know!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      It’s a background track from my Epidemic Sound subscription . Called Polygon. By Ben Elson. Great track!

  • @ariellouit8523
    @ariellouit8523 Месяц назад +1

    Haven't seen the video yet, I already love it!😍

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      🤣🤣 I hope it lives up to it!

    • @ariellouit8523
      @ariellouit8523 Месяц назад +1

      @thestateofplay2023 It did! I notice some experimentation with new video effects, angles , etc... it would seem as you are like painting miniatures. Doing it with love and the thrive to get better. The content : yeah we needed an engineer to throw some sens into the color "theory". Keep up to it! Please!

  • @aztecjaguar6571
    @aztecjaguar6571 Месяц назад +2

    Excellent video - thank you.

  • @BouvToTheMax
    @BouvToTheMax Месяц назад +14

    The graphics in this video are top notch! Along with the information being shared makes this a very enjoyable and educational video!! ❤

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks mate. Took longer to make this video as I upgraded my edit software and had to… well, learn how to use it. 🤣🤣🤣

    • @BouvToTheMax
      @BouvToTheMax Месяц назад +1

      @ all the color wheel graphics and the animations make the casual viewer who doesn’t have this background very understandable. God I wish this content existed back in 2002 when I was starting out in 3rd ed 40k…

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      3 years before RUclips sadly. You’d have needed a bricks and mortar library back then…😜

  • @henriksorensen82
    @henriksorensen82 Месяц назад +1

    👏👏👏👏 Very good video! You have videographed my thoughts here!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      That’s because I’m secretly reading your mind from afar. 🤣🤣

    • @henriksorensen82
      @henriksorensen82 Месяц назад +1

      @thestateofplay2023 Nice 😎

  • @DJRockford83
    @DJRockford83 Месяц назад +1

    I usually use the rule of 3. A dark colour (black, brown, grey etc), a light colour (white, bone etc) and a saturated colour. Obviously a spot colour for eye lenses or plasma guns but it usually works

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      But doesn’t that mean you have no bright saturated colours? Which if you’re going grimdark would make sense.

  • @JS-ie1xo
    @JS-ie1xo Месяц назад +1

    Great video, so many bits to like, but I’m fully on board with 60:30:10:10 rule 😅

  • @Rytxyd
    @Rytxyd Месяц назад +1

    Great video. Everyone choosing a paint scheme should watch it. Thanks!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      I hope they do. Even if they’re not choosing a scheme too. 🤣

  • @ThorekIronbrow
    @ThorekIronbrow Месяц назад +1

    Just the video I wanted. I've been doing down the colour theory and single pigment rby/cmyk rabbithole this week.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah it is a rabbit hole isn’t it. RYB/ CMY. Not much significant difference when choosing colours really. Go with your preferred option

  • @Dracobyte
    @Dracobyte Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for another great video and going further on the 60 /30 / 10 color scheme rule.

  • @piratewhoisquiet
    @piratewhoisquiet Месяц назад +1

    Heck yeah I've been waiting for this DESPERATELY

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Well next time be the “pirate who is loud” and scream me a message. 🤣🤣😜

  • @spacedock873
    @spacedock873 Месяц назад +1

    Hi Will. It's strange but only yesterday I thought that we hadn't had a video from you for a while. Thank you so much for the best "colour theory" explanation video I have ever seen 👍👏. As someone with a very technical background (physics and computers) I never took art classes beyond early secondary school and all I know about this subject has come from RUclips videos. However, following "the rules" never sat very well with me as I felt that they were too restrictive. Thank you for releasing me from the shackles and validating me going "off piste" a bit! This has been the most interesting and informative video I have ever seen on the subject and I will save it to refer back to. It is also nice to see "colour" spelled correctly in the background 😉. Just one more thing, it may be a new toy, but you don't need the second camera angle - the cuts are distracting and come across as a gimmick. Your excellent and amusing delivery to the front camera is all I feel is needed 👍👏

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Thanks for that! Yeah the new camera is actually for stabilised gimble shots in the future but I thought I’d have a play. Right now I neither disagree or agree as I’m still wondering what to do with it - but aren’t so keen on the angle.

  • @komsomoletz828
    @komsomoletz828 Месяц назад +1

    This was AMAZING, thank you!!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Anytime! Well I say that but really I mean, “when I can do it”. 🤣🤣😜

  • @Mangus89
    @Mangus89 Месяц назад +1

    This video is so great. I just bought colore wheel and its greate but past 2 year i’ve been painting my tzeentch army. And to be honest my colours came out in rounded triangles colours scheme. Some models have different colour tints depending on unit, one models use purple other magenta and the look coherent together

  • @matthewcook5017
    @matthewcook5017 Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic explanation. Seriously.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Thank you dear sir. I guess You’re serious. 🤣👍🏼

  • @And-c7n
    @And-c7n Месяц назад +2

    60% Super. 30% Shardled, 10% rewatched and the balance is inspiration. Simple.

  • @virrcraft
    @virrcraft Месяц назад +3

    aaaa! new video and new camera angle!
    Well, finally, I learn something about color theory..

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      An unflattering camera angle but hey, we move with the times!!

    • @virrcraft
      @virrcraft Месяц назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023 I don't know about successful or not - it attracts attention! very cool! well, about transitions... the one with glitches makes me shudder every time and check my internet connection... not in a good way haha ​​(no offense, just describing my feelings)

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      I didn’t put any glitches. It must be your internet connection….
      🤣🤣

    • @virrcraft
      @virrcraft Месяц назад

      @@thestateofplay2023 oh sht…

  • @JS-ie1xo
    @JS-ie1xo Месяц назад +1

    Great video, so many bits to like, but I’m fully on board with 60:30:10:10 rule 😅 you are truly a modern day Von gerter. Guerter? Gurtur?

  • @Coverfire92
    @Coverfire92 Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant viewing. Great video.

  • @LatteEsportsLeague
    @LatteEsportsLeague 26 дней назад +1

    What program do you use to create the color mock-ups of the figures? I want to test out a few color options for a project I’m on

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  26 дней назад +1

      Photoshop

    • @LatteEsportsLeague
      @LatteEsportsLeague 26 дней назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023do you just select the area thst you want to modify and fill it with a new color or like use an effect overlay? Would be cool to see a video of you doing this

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  26 дней назад +1

      It’s effectively a paintbrush over the area and tidied up with an adjustment overlay. 👍🏼

  • @keggers5483
    @keggers5483 Месяц назад +1

    If you do the 60/30/10 on the mini itself, how would you handle the base? Use a neutral that leans towards one of the non-primaries?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      That’s a very good question. It would probably lean more toward the colour of the accent. Although I always preferred my ground to look like, well, ground. So my bases look like the ground in the game I’m playing. Necromunda has rusty floor for example.

  • @jadewing20xd76
    @jadewing20xd76 Месяц назад +1

    bravo, good sir bravo. this is a great and funny video. oh, and I learned some stuff too, I guess, which is a nice bonus👍

  • @pat0652
    @pat0652 Месяц назад +2

    Will is so damn professional.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      I’m sure I could find a few old bosses that might disagree. 🤣🤣😜

  • @SergeantVau1
    @SergeantVau1 Месяц назад +1

    Too many people are married to painting rules. That's the nicest way a can put it. It stifles creativity.

  • @howardcoates6985
    @howardcoates6985 Месяц назад +1

    fun video, helpful insights... Thank you.

  • @amitacharya8167
    @amitacharya8167 27 дней назад +1

    It should be the 60-30-10-10 rule ... Why the extra 10, you ask? ... Well, that's your margin of error ... LOL ... Great video as always

  • @forevermorbid8949
    @forevermorbid8949 28 дней назад +1

    I've spent all week trying to make Panzer Grey RAL 7201 for my flames of war minis and have stripped a panzer 2 down 5 times trying to get the right grey. Museums have different greys. The best video i've found on the topic pretty much showed most off the shelf paint greys aren't close. But most my trials just look black from 2 ft away. Any advice?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  28 дней назад

      You want my honest answer? Grab some Vallejo or Ak panzer Grey paint.
      I’m good at mixing but even I give up when looking for a very specific military shade. 👍🏼

    • @forevermorbid8949
      @forevermorbid8949 28 дней назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023 Hahaha, thats the one I had started with. Funny to go full circle. I just started the hobby so will be checking out your other videos for more tips. Thanks for the reply.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  27 дней назад +1

      Sorry I couldn’t be more help. Some colours will always be easier purchased

  • @MepzWorld
    @MepzWorld Месяц назад +1

    I painted my space marines quartered turquoise and puce. Didn't realise I was using colour theory, just thought they looked cool 😅

  • @ribofen
    @ribofen Месяц назад +1

    Excellent video!

  • @McVilla1N
    @McVilla1N Месяц назад +1

    Oh I'm stealing that hugh Heffner line😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @ZeehcTunococ
    @ZeehcTunococ 17 дней назад +1

    This is so intuitive. Are you going to make your version of the colour wheel? 😜🙏🏻

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  17 дней назад

      I’ve put the files on my Patreon for anyone who wants them. 👍🏼 Shilling a bunch of products I’ll leave to other creators 😜🙏

  • @digadigado
    @digadigado Месяц назад +1

    lots of the space marines feel like Monocromatic with accent, not really enough secondary color to count as a compliment. I kinda like that idea with them being game pieces or units and feels clearer as game pieces that way as opposed to the macro shots of a 2in mini

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      You’re right. More need secondary colours on shoulders really. But as a real military the “uniform” should probably be entirely one camouflage colour, really. 😜🤣

  • @HacksawsHobbyBunker
    @HacksawsHobbyBunker Месяц назад +1

    Colour me shocked. Also, very useful info, so cheers!

  • @athollmcnicoll1028
    @athollmcnicoll1028 Месяц назад +1

    Painting mini's is up to the individuals that bought the mini's and see them in a different light. Afterall who states that every world will have what we know as day and night in the colours we reflect on?
    Surely worlds can have different hues so therefore mini's taking on different shading concepts. See what I mean, everyone has his or her own concept to general rules of adaptation.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Very good point. Earth light might not be the same as Necromunda light. 👍🏼

  • @basstedson
    @basstedson Месяц назад +1

    I thought this was how you were meant to use it. Some of that may have came from me just choosing a paint that sort of matched rather than bothering to mix or go out and buy a new one.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      It is. Sort of. Many are adamant that you should change the colours exactly specified in the harmony but hey it’s supposed to be fun.

  • @amitacharya8167
    @amitacharya8167 27 дней назад +1

    3:14 But we do want a video on colour harmony ... A musical video

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  27 дней назад +1

      With singing and dancing and a full on Baz Luhrmann routine? Folie a Grimdeux

  • @SigurdBraathen
    @SigurdBraathen Месяц назад +1

    Our eyes have 3 types of cones, which detect different wavelengths. Thus, there are 3 primary colours for light.
    For paints, which reflect or absorb white light, there are 8 primary colours. (2^3)
    Thus any "colour wheel" is limited, like a 3D object can't be fully depicted on a 2D plane. The colour cube, though. Why don't we call it that?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Correct. But try teaching a child or a new painter how to pick a colour scheme for a Cave Troll using a 3D colour cube when they don’t already have the knowledge required to even understand the problem.

  • @BaeBunni
    @BaeBunni Месяц назад +1

    Atleast thinking of color theory this way with curved points rather than sharp ones, it helps avoid color paralysis. It's to easy especially with a wargame hobby to just "forget it I'll try to copy the box art" because they did the mental work for you and thinking of color theory as less rigid than school art class usually taught it makes it easier to create your own schemes for your army.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      Exactly. Totally. 100% and many other affirmations I can’t think of yet. 😜

  • @Allan_Lugia
    @Allan_Lugia Месяц назад +1

    I mean some of us do use this when we airbrush.. a dark green, lighter green, even lighter green.. so we are playing, just maybe not noticing it.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Exactly. Some people however are not using it and also not noticing. 🤣🤣

  • @peterlageri4177
    @peterlageri4177 Месяц назад +1

    "Colors that clash". Could that be a theme for a video? On what NOT to do?

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Dunno about that one. Might be too subjective when I say “don’t do this” and 1000 people shout at me because they did exactly that. 🤣

    • @peterlageri4177
      @peterlageri4177 Месяц назад

      @@thestateofplay2023 Well ok. You got a point there. But then perhaps a few examples of when things clash rather than a comprensive papal bull. 😆

  • @midshipman8654
    @midshipman8654 Месяц назад +1

    so in short, you see theories as useful aproximations. starting points that you dont have to strictly follow, but helps you to find a general direction with leeway instead of being bogged down by infinite choices.
    “rules are meant to be broken, but they are a good starting-point anyways”

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      Essentially yes. If that’s what you took away then I’m happy! 😄

  • @Obbies
    @Obbies Месяц назад +1

    Excellent!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      I read that in Bill and Teds voices for some reason….

    • @Obbies
      @Obbies Месяц назад +1

      @ insert joyful Bill and Ted’s air guitar here.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @alexcochrane5639
    @alexcochrane5639 Месяц назад +1

    And now I know why my nids look so bad. Time to review that color scheme!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      🤣🤣 when people say nids, I can’t help giggle like a toddler thinking of human anatomy. It’s like I’ve been kicked in the nids….
      But seriously it may only be one single colour that throws you.

  • @odinulveson9101
    @odinulveson9101 20 дней назад +1

    Color wheel is a great tool! Im adamantly for fact not theory that Blue, Yellow, Red being primary colors, Orange, Purple, Green are secondary colors and so on. Yes I know theory is open for intrepetation and hypothesis puts alot into falsehood and such. For pigments RYB is a fact. For printers Cyan, Yellow, Magenta is a fact for getting best printed pictures. For digital stuff and how our eyes precieve light, Red Green Blue is a fact. Using light based RGB as a theory for natutal pigment mixing is just worse than BYR. Same with BYR being worse primaries to use in printing than CYM. Just my take. I love colors and the eye candy it brings to our perception on all things in and out of our planet!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  20 дней назад

      I agree. The main reason I use CMY is you can make light blue. You can’t with RYB without adding white.

  • @Copratra
    @Copratra Месяц назад +2

    I have seen - and tried to accept - several color theory videos and tried to implement the ideas to my painting. None of them has made as much sense as this one. This means that I'll be slapping the color Iike the most on a mini and then decide which general colour from the blobs mentioned I'd use for the next one.
    Thank you, Sir, for a liberating deliberation on the subject.

  • @MiszAgrippa
    @MiszAgrippa Месяц назад +1

    Our boy is big time youtuber now, with two cameras. We're only few steps away from hiring editors, own brand of energy bars etc. Finishing up with some hookers scandals and the story will be whole. Everything before our own eyes and so suddenly!

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      All those things sound great. Even a scandal! But sadly RUclips ads barely pay my electricity bill. And the new camera is actually just an old camera on a NEW tripod gimbal.

  • @SkallagrimGrimkjells
    @SkallagrimGrimkjells Месяц назад +1

    This is an awesome video. Especially if we read between the lines and look at the message as a whole, and not the exact wording.
    As for the exact wording... you spend a lot of time bashing "Theory", but Im not sure that theory is what your looking for. Im thinking you dont like of Methods of the Theory, or that your under the mistaken impression that Color Theory is a hard science and that its interventions are prescribed.
    A theory is a mental construct. A Theory does 4 things. DEPI. It Describes a condition or set of condition. It Explains why that condition exists. It Predicts a likely outcome of that condition and finally it prescribes a means of Intervention. (In the soft sciences, theories inform intervention but dont prescibe them, hence the soft science appelation).
    The framework for actualizing the theory is a Model.
    So if we say that Color Theory describes the proportional relationship between colors and the perceived beauty thereof. Then it is the Model of that theory that says hey lets put them in a wheel or lay them out ins spectrums or some other approach to organizing the color/proportions. Then its the Method that says triangle or quad, etc. Then the physical or in this case digital tool to show how your rounded quad method work is an Instrument.
    I fully appreciate that the Theory/Model/Method/Instrument distiction is entirely academic pedantry in a video about painting plastic army mans, but youre sorta spending a lot of time in this video saying "Transportation as a concept doesnt exist, look at my new Train design"

    • @SkallagrimGrimkjells
      @SkallagrimGrimkjells Месяц назад

      FFS, that came off waaay more pretentious than I meant it.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад +1

      And here was me thinking I was saying, “when you paint plastic monsters, you’re free to do as you please. There are no rules”. 🤣🤣 …but that would’ve been a really short video.

    • @SkallagrimGrimkjells
      @SkallagrimGrimkjells Месяц назад +1

      @@thestateofplay2023 lol. Yeah, Im kinda just sitting here realizing that Im the "well actually..." asshole in this.. sorry.
      But hey, comments are good for the algorithmn.. so theres that, I guess.

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  Месяц назад

      I love all comments as I like talking to people so write away. Plus I work in advertising so over 30 years I’ve heard it all. And I’m Gen x so nothing upsets or phases us. 😜
      Don’t knock yourself. I knew what you were trying to say. 😄

  • @7nineofspades5
    @7nineofspades5 Месяц назад +1

    Sanguinius and Fulgrim are the princesses

  • @bencastor9207
    @bencastor9207 24 дня назад +1

    Finally someone else who doesn't believe in colour theory, through trial and error I've found that colours only match with specific shades otherwise it looks garrish, colour theory is okay for giving you a general idea of where to look but it doesn't really help with explaining what shade of orange looks nice with what shade of purple (I've yet to find any that look good together, it's a gross pairing, I personally match purples with lime/seafoam greens)

    • @thestateofplay2023
      @thestateofplay2023  24 дня назад

      Yeah I don’t think orange and purple go together either. Certainly not in a 50/50