Corrections/Additions: 1. Male lions actually will hunt with the females sometimes when bringing down larger game. 2. Ceratosaurus likely wasn't semi-aquatic, instead being a generalist predator that hunted in wetland and forested environments. 3. Apparently the 55 mya thing was a typo. 4. "Lori" has been officially named and described as Hesperornithoides miessleri.
Not quite, the largest confirmed specimen of Allosaurus fragilis is 9.7 m long, while a length of 35 feet/10.5 m would be more consistent with the lower size estimates for Saurophaganax/Allosaurus maximus.
Minor addition, as this was obviously published after the episode aired, but the "Lori" troodontid mentioned in the video from 17:53 to 18:14 has finally been given a proper name. It is now known as Hesperornithoides miessleri, meaning "Miessler's western bird form."
This episode always rubbed me the wrong way. It feels like the writers had some personal vendetta against Ceratosaurus like it slept with their wives or something. The result is just Ceratosaurus torture porn.
yeah while granted I believe an Allosaurus could clap a ceratosaurs any day, given what we know about them they probably would never need to come into direct competition with each other and would likely only be forced into it in desperate times
Actually Ceratosaurus’s lineage gets the last laugh. Allosaurus’s lineage ended when the Charcharodontosaurs went extinct around 90 Million years ago While Ceratosaurus’s lineage ended when every dinosaur went extinct 66 Million Years ago with the Abelisaurs
Considering this is History Channel, I’m surprised they don’t have any aliens showing up shooting lasers out of their spaceships just to add some explosions
Poor deinonychus. He invents time travel, only to almost get eaten and then not having his invention being acknowledged by being called a reused model.
I have my doubts that Ceratosaurus was "aquatic" or "amphibious" as nothing about its anatomy seems adapted for that way of life, unlike with spinosaurs or certain taxa of piscivorous raptors. I think it would be more likely that Ceratosaurus was like a dinosaur equivalent to a tiger and jaguar, a flexible predator living in wet and wooded environment and having a certain fondness for water, doing some hunting there and perhaps also bathing for fun, but still primarily being a terrestrial predator.
This might be a stretch, but perhaps the whole "Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus lasted for 20 million years respectively" thing could be down to wastebasket taxonomy, as those two were some of the oldest theropod genera named and therefore suffered from this. I know that Allosaurus has been used to label many theropod fossils, including Early-Mid Cretaceous ones, such as a Berriasian French theropod, teeth belonging to a Aptian-Albian carnosaur from Maryland (now attributed to Acrocanthosaurus), Early Cretaceous Siberian teeth and a metatarsal (now considered an indeterminate theropod), Tanzania's contemporary "Allosaurus tendagurensis" shin bone (likely belonging to Veterupristisaurus) and of course, the Aptian Cape Paterson "Allosaurus robustus" astragalus from Victoria (now considered a megaraptoran). Hell, I even found out about supposed late Cenomanina "Allosaurus" fossils from Japan. It's weird for a 2008 series to use such dated taxonomy, but given how they went all the way with the broad stroke classification on Albertosaurus (living from Alaska to Texas), I wouldn't put it past them. This would give their spiel about how Allosaurus became the "most lethal predator on Earth" a whole new meaning
13:37 I mean the closest thing to "Scent marking theropods" is the possibility of them having femoral pores like lizards do that would releases pheromones to attract mates and also used it to mark territories that way and lizards do physically mark their turf by rubbing their femoral glands against whatever they walk across, which is somewhat similar to how Carnivorans leave scent marks. And this may not relate to marking territories, but Reptiles like Snakes, Musk Turtles and Crocodiles are capable of secreting musk to ward off attackers, it is a possibility theropods may have done something similar to that And also it using Uric Acid, but someone already mentioned that
I would like to also state that goerge's favorite dinosaur is Allosaurus so not only was bias being part of it but allosaurus is treated like a freaking god.
I think the Ceratosaurus that was depicted in When Dinosaurs Roamed America is the best one presented in any documentary. It had bulk, as opposed to the, as you said, anorexic depiction in Jurassic Fight Club, and was established as a legitimate threat to the herbivores of its day, such as Stegosaurus and Dryosaurus, rather than being a punching bag for Allosaurus.
@@JurassicReptile True, but I think you could excuse that by it taking place during a drought, so the Allosaurus would probably be hunting it due to not having many other options at that time.
The funniest thing about this episodes is that they keep talking about how dumb ceratosaurus was, but dumber animals were worse with intimidation lol, like hippos can Intimidate rhinos because rhinos are less intelligent lol…
17:55 erm, little misconception there, male lions will hunt qith the females sometimes, usually to bring down larger game. This doesn't mean that statement is completely wrong, just too exaggerated to be right.
I feel I should point out they compare this ceratosaurus to jaguars in that they don't own it all and can't hunt much When jaguars are arguably the most versatile of any big cat
I swear, the people who ran this show were like "MHM, A CERATOSAURUS, WE COULD USE THAT FOR THE FIGHT. WAIT, ITS NOT AWESOME BRO LIKE ALLOSAURUS, SO HOW ABOUT WE JUST TREAT IT LIKE OUR WHIPPING BOY AND MURDER IT 3 MORE TIMES!!!" That's probably what they were like. And like you said, he could have just drove them out of his territory. Also, ceratosaurus ain't no where near dumb, they just portrayed it to be dumb.
I'm pretty sure they just put the Ceratosaurus fish thing to make it seem less cool than Allosaurus, instead of putting it there to make it seem cooler.
This show always did that really annoying thing where it would characterize the dinosaurs with human or to some degree mammalian thought processes which I always thought was weird. Like the dinosaurs taking things personality or going against their fight or flight to settle a score, or that every simple encounter was a fight to the death, which pretty much goes against general animal behavior. Animals usually just size each other up, kill immediately, flee or get injured in the process of the short physical contact. The only animals that do the stuff they describe, is really just humans and Chimpanzees. But they do like to present the carnivores as crazy serial killers rather than animals.
Many, many animals stay completely still while hunting. Crocodiles, snakes, big cats, etc. If ceratosaurus was really made to hunt this way, then there would be no reason to believe the theropod would suck at its own hunting method compared to modern animals.
They probably didnt think about that but maybe just maybe they thought that Saurophaganax was an Allosaurus. That would be called Allosaurus Maximus. But you already talked about that, so.....
in Jurassic fight club the allosauruses are shown to be invasive species to ceratosaurus while in reality allosaurus are not invasive species to saratosaurus
Yes!! An Upload! And Me Hate The Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus Model! And Geez.. I Just Noticed a T Rex Skull (I Think.. Because The Shape) in The Bottom Right. I Love Ceratosaurus.. and They Ruined it!
I can sympathize with you. I like Ceratosaurus and they ruined it in the most horrible way possible. When Dinosaurs Roamed America did a better job depicting Ceratosaurus than this pathetic joke!
That doesn't indicate that Therepods could do it as well unless they live similar life or Evolutionary purposes like the carb. To state that you need to provide evidence, which I didn't find.
Some reptiles have femoral pores, wich are glands located near the cloaca usually used by males to attract mates and mark territory, however these are more commonly seen in lizards and snakes and I could not find any information on any archosaurs possessing them. I would not completly rule the possibility of some dinosaurs possessing such or analog glants out though, since many nonavian theropods seem to have relayed heavily on smell, wich would somewhat favor a communication based on smell and pheromones, however this is speculative and should be marked as such.
I'm not defending this show when I say this, but given how long large theropod dinosaurs lasted and how diverse they were, I find it hard to believe that there's no possibility that at least one species lived in monogamous pairs.
Considering some species of birds and at least one species of lizard do practice monogamy I agree it is very possible some non avian dinosaurs may have also have been monogamous
Just curious but you state at 22:24 that 3-5% of modern day mammals mate for life but don't you think a better comparison would be modern birds? I mean a few species of raptors (primarily eagles) mate for life. Not agreeing with the ceratosaurus torture porn show but do you think it's too outlandish to be considered possible? Just wondering if there was any hints at monogamous dinosaurs.
If Saurophaganax is its own genus which I doubt, not only would we find more remains, but more physical differences between it and Allosaurus rather than just size. It could also be signs of sexual dimorphism. You don’t just take something and just upscale it then call it something different.
Size is not the only difference between the two, and Saurophaganax might even turn out to be a basal carcharodontosaur. The reason we haven't found more remains could simply be because the animal itself was incredibly rare or just didn't fossilize well. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Pretty much every recent analysis focused on allosauroids places the two as separate genera, so that's where I stand for now.
That’s a good point. So Saurophaganax MIGHT be its own genus, or a large Allosaurus, we just need more remains. I guess it’s like Spinosaurus and Sigilmassasaurus. We just need more remains of them.
@@yoboibeerus1387 actually (if we use ceratosaurus dentisulcatus) ceratosaurus would have been 2.2m tall and 8m long. So it would have been around the same as allosaurus
So, if tyrannosaurus had feathers, would it have dark coloured feathers to ambush hunt or would it be dull colours for the female and bright colours for the male
I found a paper deducing the max bite force of Allosaurus is over 8,700 newtons www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3391458/ Roughly 1,961 PSI, over half as strong as the bite of a saltwater crocodile.
27:12 i must agree with you. At least, the slasher movie villians are the same species ( wich is Homo sapiens of course ) and kills other humans. So i don't understand why History channel treats allosaurus like Jason woorhes among ceratosaurus, when they could just do that in Bloodiest battle with other allosaurus
Thailand have jurassic rock formation too! This rock formation is name phu kradung formation List of prehistoric animal in formation 1.prehistoric crocodile 2.sinraptor 3.ornithopod 4.mamenchisaurid 5.stegosaur 6.pterosaur 7.freshwater fish 8.turtle 9.temnispondyl For sypnosis that rock formation have fish reptile and amphibian Wow! This rock formation is found a lot
Oh the fight is personal alright, for the Ceratosaurus! (Or at least that would make more sense unless the allo/saurophagnax had a bad memory of getting scratched in the snout)
Ryan Pendzik I’m assuming you’re talking about the fossil discovery, in which case I couldn’t find anything about Ceratosaurus bones with bite marks or anything like that (The show itself admits that most of not all Ceratosaurus fossils are relatively clean when it comes to bite marks than say, Allosaurus).
If you were to count Epanterias as a separate animal, then yes, but most people believe it to be either the same animal as Saurophanax/Allosaurus maximus or an unusually large specimen of Allosaurus fragilis.
Ryan Pendzik That’s exactly what I said in this video. Saurophaganax and Allosaurus are very closely related (Being the only two genera in the family Allosauridae), but current consensus is that they are indeed separate genera.
@@PaleoNerd1905 You made a couple of mistakes in this video (the only one i have seen). Claiming yourself a nerd its not congruent with your inaccuracy. I dont know if all of you use the same damn casual source (wikipedia) but I have seen a couple of videos saying the same wrong data. The size of Allosaurus fragilis is not 8,5m, its not serious to say "average size" (what a coincidence the same term tha wikipedia use), if we use that with all species then the average size of Tyrannosaurus rex would be 11m, and the average Mapusaurus roseae 9m. There are dozens of Allosaurus fragilis specimens above 8,5m. UUVP 3694 is a 8,8 m long subadult with 13 years, with a life span of 30 years and the fact that dinosaurs doesnt stop growing in their entire life, makes the 8,5m measurement nonsense. Here you have some individuals above 9m: AMNH 257 (9m), UUVP 3607 (~9,1m), AMNH 666 (~9,2m), BYU COLL. (9,3m), BYU 571/671 (~9,4m), AMNH 290 (9,5m), AMNH 680 (9,75m), UUVP 294 (~9,9m), Exter quarry specimen (9,9m), NMMNH P-26083 (10,65m)(or 35 ft, the same in the tv show, and this specimen is definitely A.fragilis and not S.maximus), and finally AMNH 5767 (~12,1m)(probably A.fragilis but not S.maximus because it lacks paraespinal laminae). Saurophaganax maximus is 10,8 m long, there are 2 specimens in OMNH, one about 10,3m and the biggest one 10,8m (48cm humerus, 1,13m femora "2114"), and it is only found in the Brushy Basin Member of Oklahoma. Some researchers think that this taxon is a basal carcharodontosaurid instead an allosaurid. So regarding the size, A. fragilis would reach the subadult stage at an age of 12-13 years with around 8,5m (sexual maturity at 13-14 years), in the upcoming 4 years they would grow faster till reach adulthood with 16-17 years and around +10,5m long, and 11m long with 21 years (skeletal maturity). Its important to point out sexual dimorphism and individual variation in the size, probably female A.fragilis (and other species) were about 10% smaller than males, so an adult female (16-22 years) would measure 9,5-10,5m. Im gonna paste here a previous message, And last, the data that we have suggest that ecological segregation between Morrison carnivores was weak. In fact Ceratosaurus is found with Allosaurus in 77% of the localities from which Ceratosaurus is known, and in the only sites at which it occurs without Allosaurus, it is the only vertebrate specimen found in the quarry. So there wasnt any segregation between these two genera, they hunted in the same niche. The same occurs with Torvosaurus (63% found with Allosaurus), in fact Ceratosaurus and Torvosaurus have never been found together without Allosaurus. At all sites where, Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus are found together Allosaurus out-numbers Ceratosaurus by an average of 7,5-1. All data suggest geographic and enviromental overlap of Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus but that Ceratosaurus was simply rarer. Theres no area or paleoenviroment in which Ceratosaurus was more abundant. You should change or update your sources.
@@bloodeagle2028 I'll admit I did make some mistakes with the sizing of Allosaurus and calling the one in the show Saurophaganax (if I made this video again I would have stuck with calling it Allosaurus). However, average size is very much a thing, so I have no idea what you're talking about there. If a majority of specimens are around a certain size, then that is the average size of the animal. That still means there can be individuals slightly smaller and slightly bigger due to individual variation and sexual dimorphism (like you said). Everything I've found about Saurophaganax suggests that it is very closely related to Allosaurus, either being a fellow allosaurid or a species of Allosaurus, so I don't know where you got the basal carcharodontosaur thing from. It's funny how you criticize my use of sources yet don't list any of your own. Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Torvosaurus would have had to fill separate niches, or else Allosaurus would be the only predator in the Morrison by outcompeting the others. Not only that, but they all differ in size as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Ceratosaurus for instance to hunt the same large prey as Allosaurus. The largest Allosaurus and Saurophaganax hunted the largest prey, like sauropods and stegosaurs, the slightly smaller Torvosaurus hunted iguanodonts, and the even smaller Ceratosaurus hunted small ornithischians and possibly fish. Them being found in the same areas doesn't mean they all occupied the same niche, that's stupid. That's like saying lions and cheetahs occupied the same niche. Finally, you yourself have admitted that this is the only video of mine that you have seen, and this is a somewhat old video. I have improved much since then, so you judging me based on mistakes I made almost a year ago is stupid and immature, especially when you insult me by claiming i can't be a nerd because I made some mistakes. Also keep in mind that I'm only 18 right now and I'm just starting college, so my access to certain sources is limited. I suggest that you watch my more recent videos, and if you still have an issue with them, you express it in a way that doesn't make you look like a condescending asshole. Constructive criticism is fine, but this isn't constructive. Nowhere have you suggested ways for me to improve nor have you encouraged me to do better. Instead you have the audacity to suggest that I am unworthy of liking dinosaurs just because I made some errors. Please correct me if I am wrong, but last I checked being incorrect about something doesn't mean you're not worthy of liking it. If you are unable to criticize my work properly, then just stop watching my videos, because my intended audience is for people who want to learn, not people like you who put others down because you don't think they're good enough.
@@PaleoNerd1905 I was that rude because as I say I have been seeing a couple of videos (this one of you and 2 or 3 more from others) with the same errors, and all of them pretend to point out the mistakes of certain tv shows (im not defending them), but if you are doing so, at least you should be very well documented (its ironic correct others with errors). The average size is a thing when we have a good data about ontogeny. In the case of A.fragilis despite there are many individuals around 8,5m, there are dozens above that, 5 near or more than 10m, 10 individuals more than 9m, at least 8 betwen 8,5m and 9m, so there isnt a majority around 8,5m (no more since the obtained data in the last decade). Plus if we add the fact that a 13 years old individual is already 8,8m (and still to come the years where they grow in incredibly fast) and that the individuals around 7m are morphologicaly different, way more gracile than +8m individuals (8,5m individuals are more similar in shape to 10m ones than 7m ones), that makes sense if they are juveniles entering to subadult stage (MOR 693 is 7,2m with 10 years). For example, there are more 8-9m specimens of Mapusaurus roseae than 11-12m ones, but anyone says that 8,5m is the average size of M.roseae. Another example is Gorgosaurus libratus, and Albertosaurus sarcophagus, there are many adult individuals with 17 years measuring 7m or less (6,6m), the older ones (21-24 years) are around 8m, 8,6m the biggest ones (only one individual for each taxon reach that size), and you will see in the web the 8,5-9m like the average, although theres no one above 8,6m. In a good source 8m, or 8,5m but not 7m as average, despite the majority are around there. The basal carcharodontosaurid hypothesys comes from Andrea Cau, he states "Based on Chure works, I consider Saurophaganax distinct from (for exaple in dorsal vertebral morphology) and not closely related to Allosaurus: their shared features are mainly primitive allosauroid features, and in several ways S.maximus reminds me to carcharodontosaurs. The recent discovery of carcharodontosaur from the Upper Jurassic of Tanzania shows that primitive carcharodontosaurs lived in the Jurassic, and Saurophaganax would be one of them." Paleontology and Geology of the Upper Jurassic Morrison formation, Bulletin 36, there you can read all the "niche" issue, I didnt suggest there wasnt any difference (if looks like that, my bad, im sorry) Im going to paste the last phrase of the study "Large Morrison theropods appear to have been living in the same areas and enviroments, hunting the same general types of prey dinosaurs, yet possibly atacking/feeding/specilizing slightly diferently." For sure the difference in morphology in forelimbs, hindlimbs, tooth, skull and neck implies some different hunting behavior. Ceratosaurus both nasicornis (5,5m) and dentisulcatus (6,4m maybe fully grown nasicornis) with proportionaly very big teeth, small arms, overall robust, looks adapted to pursue dryosaurs and kind and kill them with few bites; Torvosaurus tanneri (8m in average, 2 individuals near 9,2m) with very large heads, small arms, small hindlibs and bulky, may specialize in stegosaurs and primitive ankylosaurs; Allosaurus fragilis (9,5 to 11m) looks more generalistic and better adapted to feed sauropods and stegosaurs, recently has been demostrated a way stronger bite force (900 to 1200kg) than previously thought (K.T. Bates and P.L Falkingham). But theres no evidence that Ceratosaurus lived in more watered enviroments. We can see lions, leopards and hyenas hunt mainly the same preys but ones are more common than others. I dont doubt you are doing better, my suggest to improve, forget wikipedia and kind, casual sites on the net, use books of reputated paleontologist like Gregory Paul, Keneth Carpenter..., Princeton sells a couple of good books, read blogs of paleontologist, Mark Witton, Andrea Cau, Mortimer... with the books on your hands search references to studies, you can find many on the net but are hard to find, and finally you can talk with the paleontologist their self, Im not going to put any personal email for obvious reasons but you can find them in each university sites, this is the best way to learn, talk. Im fine with my life thanks. PS: you have to understand, there are a lot of people, too many teens, in the net with no formation and very bad documented appearing to be "experts" (im not refering to you) stating lies and wrong facts that spread like a virus and all random/casuals repeat like bots. Best regards, and happy new year.
The cerato from the first one could also have just been a less dominant male or a male displaying female colouration, like some male reptiles and birds do.
Why does the Jurassic Fight Club Allosaurus make the Walking with Dinosaurs and Jurassic Park franchise make there Allosaurus look accurate, although the size is the same as Saurophaganax but it could be explained away that the Allosaurus has Saurophaganax DNA, similar to the Jurassic Park Sinoceratops where it has Pachyrhinosaurus DNA
In fact it has one rockformation that age of early cretaeceous in thailand that megaraptoran live but is not the top predator! The top predator of this formation is carcharodontausaurian I know because i m thai
Your brief analysis of Episode 7 was interesting, but I'm not sure you understood the point of that episode. What I got from that episode was that though these predators were the "biggest killers in Nature", the episode was sending the message that the "true" biggest killer was Nature herself.
20:17 The narrator funnily enough, keeps saying how dumb Ceratosaurus is. I doubt dinosaurs can roar, even if so, why didn't the Ceratosaurus just turn tail and run away when it realizes it ain't worth the risk of injury and then run off? Any sane predator would know that dealing with another predator that's three times stronger or bigger than you would know, it isn't worth it and retreat. Animals have self preservation, and somehow the show makes a bullshit excuse in making its dinosaurs fight to the death. And I poked fun at the narrator's claim about how dumb Ceratosaurus is when the animal clearly isn't that dumb.
The narrator literally says that the Ceratosaurs wander into the Saurophaganax’s territory and he kills them. What you said is even stupider than what happens in the actual episode. Trust me, I watched the episode.
@@jelanitate20 George literally says the "Allosaurus" left scent marks, which wouldn't have been acknowledged if the Allo was the one invaded the ceratos' territory. Again, I've watched the episode, so I know what I'm talking about.
Crocodilians don't roar, they hiss or bellow. There's a difference. Also, in what way are dinosaurs "hybrids"? Dinosaurs are reptiles, and birds are dinosaurs, so non-avian dinosaurs likely vocalized similarly to birds. Crocodiles are the closest living relatives to non-avian dinosaurs behind birds, so using croc sounds would work as well.
Corrections/Additions:
1. Male lions actually will hunt with the females sometimes when bringing down larger game.
2. Ceratosaurus likely wasn't semi-aquatic, instead being a generalist predator that hunted in wetland and forested environments.
3. Apparently the 55 mya thing was a typo.
4. "Lori" has been officially named and described as Hesperornithoides miessleri.
Not quite, the largest confirmed specimen of Allosaurus fragilis is 9.7 m long, while a length of 35 feet/10.5 m would be more consistent with the lower size estimates for Saurophaganax/Allosaurus maximus.
Minor addition, as this was obviously published after the episode aired, but the "Lori" troodontid mentioned in the video from 17:53 to 18:14 has finally been given a proper name. It is now known as Hesperornithoides miessleri, meaning "Miessler's western bird form."
He mentioned that in the description of this video.
@@batspidey7611 I did not see that. Thanks for letting me know.
No problem.
This episode always rubbed me the wrong way. It feels like the writers had some personal vendetta against Ceratosaurus like it slept with their wives or something. The result is just Ceratosaurus torture porn.
The people who made this are clearly Ceratosaurus haters. They get off seeing Allosaurus murder it in the most horrific way possible.
I’ve heard Allosaurus is George’s favourite dinosaur.
Wouldn’t have been surprised if they had Saurophaganax cuck the male Ceratosaurs with their level of hatred, just to put the ASS in Jurassic.
They hate it so much i think they hated it because... It is less awesome bro
yeah while granted I believe an Allosaurus could clap a ceratosaurs any day, given what we know about them they probably would never need to come into direct competition with each other and would likely only be forced into it in desperate times
Actually Ceratosaurus’s lineage gets the last laugh.
Allosaurus’s lineage ended when the Charcharodontosaurs went extinct around 90 Million years ago
While Ceratosaurus’s lineage ended when every dinosaur went extinct 66 Million Years ago with the Abelisaurs
Its called carcharodontosaur not charcharodontosaur
Ceratosaurus: "Heh... take that... bitch..." *Dies*
Considering this is History Channel, I’m surprised they don’t have any aliens showing up shooting lasers out of their spaceships just to add some explosions
JFC was released two years before Ancient Aliens.
I’m glad that didn’t happen.
About that....they reused Dinosaur Planet footage for an alien invasion scene
In what documentary?
Ariel Nunez there was an episode of Ancient Aliens
JFC: Allosaurus outcompeted Ceratosaurus to extinction
Also JFC: Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus probably didn't meet much...
Bruh what?
Inconsistent writing for you
Yup.
And they said that ceratosaurus is the hated enime of Allosaurus
The disrespect to Ceratosaurus on this show though...
It’s really unfortunate.
Do they hate Ceratosaurus?
I think these two episodes are confirmation they hate Ceratosaurus.
Ceratosaurus needs more love
WesleyO05 I agree Ceratosarus is far more interesting than allosaurus imo
Poor deinonychus. He invents time travel, only to almost get eaten and then not having his invention being acknowledged by being called a reused model.
I don’t know why but you calling the “Allosaurus” a pervert made me laugh
I have my doubts that Ceratosaurus was "aquatic" or "amphibious" as nothing about its anatomy seems adapted for that way of life, unlike with spinosaurs or certain taxa of piscivorous raptors. I think it would be more likely that Ceratosaurus was like a dinosaur equivalent to a tiger and jaguar, a flexible predator living in wet and wooded environment and having a certain fondness for water, doing some hunting there and perhaps also bathing for fun, but still primarily being a terrestrial predator.
Yeah, that does make more sense
Even then I think newer studies for Spinosaurus and Baryonyx show that they were probably generalists
@@suchomimustenerensis spinosaurus was more of a mainly aquatic predator for what I know
Ceratosaurus: *Exists*
Allosaurus, and the creators of JFC: *And I took that personally*
24:22
The faces of theropods are very sensitive to touch, resulting in more pain being inflicted by the Ceratosaurus scratching the Allosaurus.
Still, the Allo might just backed off to find somewhere to heal
24:16 Allosaurus: *And I took that personally*
This might be a stretch, but perhaps the whole "Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus lasted for 20 million years respectively" thing could be down to wastebasket taxonomy, as those two were some of the oldest theropod genera named and therefore suffered from this. I know that Allosaurus has been used to label many theropod fossils, including Early-Mid Cretaceous ones, such as a Berriasian French theropod, teeth belonging to a Aptian-Albian carnosaur from Maryland (now attributed to Acrocanthosaurus), Early Cretaceous Siberian teeth and a metatarsal (now considered an indeterminate theropod), Tanzania's contemporary "Allosaurus tendagurensis" shin bone (likely belonging to Veterupristisaurus) and of course, the Aptian Cape Paterson "Allosaurus robustus" astragalus from Victoria (now considered a megaraptoran). Hell, I even found out about supposed late Cenomanina "Allosaurus" fossils from Japan. It's weird for a 2008 series to use such dated taxonomy, but given how they went all the way with the broad stroke classification on Albertosaurus (living from Alaska to Texas), I wouldn't put it past them. This would give their spiel about how Allosaurus became the "most lethal predator on Earth" a whole new meaning
13:37 I mean the closest thing to "Scent marking theropods" is the possibility of them having femoral pores like lizards do that would releases pheromones to attract mates and also used it to mark territories that way and lizards do physically mark their turf by rubbing their femoral glands against whatever they walk across, which is somewhat similar to how Carnivorans leave scent marks.
And this may not relate to marking territories, but Reptiles like Snakes, Musk Turtles and Crocodiles are capable of secreting musk to ward off attackers, it is a possibility theropods may have done something similar to that
And also it using Uric Acid, but someone already mentioned that
I would like to also state that goerge's favorite dinosaur is Allosaurus so not only was bias being part of it but allosaurus is treated like a freaking god.
I think the Ceratosaurus that was depicted in When Dinosaurs Roamed America is the best one presented in any documentary. It had bulk, as opposed to the, as you said, anorexic depiction in Jurassic Fight Club, and was established as a legitimate threat to the herbivores of its day, such as Stegosaurus and Dryosaurus, rather than being a punching bag for Allosaurus.
Although that show also had the problem of having it being killed by an oversized Allosaurus
@@JurassicReptile True, but I think you could excuse that by it taking place during a drought, so the Allosaurus would probably be hunting it due to not having many other options at that time.
Channel name should be changed to 'angry paleo nerd' 😂
That’s a fantastic name!
Paleo nerd takes on history channel awesome bro
🤣🤣🤣
The Gordon Ramsey of the bad Dinosaurs Documentaries
"🎵 He's the angriest Paleontologist you ever heard, He's the Angry Paleo Nerd!🎵"
The funniest thing about this episodes is that they keep talking about how dumb ceratosaurus was, but dumber animals were worse with intimidation lol, like hippos can Intimidate rhinos because rhinos are less intelligent lol…
I cracked up at that and the show is inconsistent with portraying Ceratosaurus's intelligence lol.
17:55 erm, little misconception there, male lions will hunt qith the females sometimes, usually to bring down larger game. This doesn't mean that statement is completely wrong, just too exaggerated to be right.
I feel I should point out they compare this ceratosaurus to jaguars in that they don't own it all and can't hunt much
When jaguars are arguably the most versatile of any big cat
Not to mention Jaguars specialize in hunting
*Crocodiles* lol
@@clobertina8176 well yacare caimans or spectacled caiman to be more specific
@@sannicfann3338 true
I wonder if the reused Deinonychus model is an Oversized Ornitholestes.
I swear, the people who ran this show were like "MHM, A CERATOSAURUS, WE COULD USE THAT FOR THE FIGHT. WAIT, ITS NOT AWESOME BRO LIKE ALLOSAURUS, SO HOW ABOUT WE JUST TREAT IT LIKE OUR WHIPPING BOY AND MURDER IT 3 MORE TIMES!!!" That's probably what they were like. And like you said, he could have just drove them out of his territory. Also, ceratosaurus ain't no where near dumb, they just portrayed it to be dumb.
Its like they have a hate boner for Ceratosaurus. It's weird and ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure they just put the Ceratosaurus fish thing to make it seem less cool than Allosaurus, instead of putting it there to make it seem cooler.
What did Cerasorus do to the makers of this show?
They probably hate Ceratosaurus so much they wanted it to die a horrible death.
Ariel Nunez Yes but what did it do that made them hate it. Did it eat their pet or something?
I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine. 🤷♂️
Ariel Nunez 👌
*Ceratosaurus
despite claiming that allosaurus is smarter, ceratosaurus has been shown to be smarter. funny
This show always did that really annoying thing where it would characterize the dinosaurs with human or to some degree mammalian thought processes which I always thought was weird. Like the dinosaurs taking things personality or going against their fight or flight to settle a score, or that every simple encounter was a fight to the death, which pretty much goes against general animal behavior. Animals usually just size each other up, kill immediately, flee or get injured in the process of the short physical contact. The only animals that do the stuff they describe, is really just humans and Chimpanzees. But they do like to present the carnivores as crazy serial killers rather than animals.
Exactly.
Another video by the one and only derived compsognathid! Amazing video, perfect presentation, and the continued focus on JFC is nice tbh
17:04 it would be kind of hard to stay completely still so I’m pretty sure that completely motionless thing was just an exaggeration
Many, many animals stay completely still while hunting. Crocodiles, snakes, big cats, etc. If ceratosaurus was really made to hunt this way, then there would be no reason to believe the theropod would suck at its own hunting method compared to modern animals.
When I was a kid I thought that the male ceratosaurs had a scar on its eye
1:48
That has got to be the most redundant name I have ever heard.
Ain't complaining.
They probably didnt think about that but maybe just maybe they thought that Saurophaganax was an Allosaurus. That would be called Allosaurus Maximus. But you already talked about that, so.....
As someone who has a soft-spot for non-teteneurans, this episode is one long 'Look how they massacred my boi'.
Yes I was craving another one of these
im going with Megaraptorans in austraila for the late cretacous.
Aye, jp3 maybe got ceratosaurus right. It was along the water by the boat and it didn’t attack the humans because as stated it maybe preyed upon fish.
Jurassic world camp cretaceous says hi
in Jurassic fight club the allosauruses are shown to be invasive species to ceratosaurus while in reality allosaurus are not invasive species to saratosaurus
Nice to see you here, Floy.
I think Ceratosaurus and modern lions are also a poor comparison because mammals hunt way differently from reptiles.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers hate Ceratosaurus.
They definitely do. This and Bloodiest Battle are evidence of their hatred of Ceratosaurus.
Yes!! An Upload! And Me Hate The Ceratosaurus and Allosaurus Model! And Geez.. I Just Noticed a T Rex Skull (I Think.. Because The Shape) in The Bottom Right. I Love Ceratosaurus.. and They Ruined it!
I can sympathize with you. I like Ceratosaurus and they ruined it in the most horrible way possible. When Dinosaurs Roamed America did a better job depicting Ceratosaurus than this pathetic joke!
Now I have to wait nearly 2 am for these analyses?
21:32
Pistol shrimp can crack glass with their snaps.
I guess that’s why they’re called pistol shrimp
That doesn't indicate that Therepods could do it as well unless they live similar life or Evolutionary purposes like the carb. To state that you need to provide evidence, which I didn't find.
I'm just saying that there are other animals which can create very loud sounds as well.
@@syhomxiong2142 yeah, but they live underwater, so that probably explains how they can make such loud noises.
Some reptiles have femoral pores, wich are glands located near the cloaca usually used by males to attract mates and mark territory, however these are more commonly seen in lizards and snakes and I could not find any information on any archosaurs possessing them. I would not completly rule the possibility of some dinosaurs possessing such or analog glants out though, since many nonavian theropods seem to have relayed heavily on smell, wich would somewhat favor a communication based on smell and pheromones, however this is speculative and should be marked as such.
Me, an Allosaurus fan, in a comment section full of Ceratosaurus fans: _"Oh shit.. I'm in trouble.."_
I'm not defending this show when I say this, but given how long large theropod dinosaurs lasted and how diverse they were, I find it hard to believe that there's no possibility that at least one species lived in monogamous pairs.
Considering some species of birds and at least one species of lizard do practice monogamy I agree it is very possible some non avian dinosaurs may have also have been monogamous
Just curious but you state at 22:24 that 3-5% of modern day mammals mate for life but don't you think a better comparison would be modern birds? I mean a few species of raptors (primarily eagles) mate for life. Not agreeing with the ceratosaurus torture porn show but do you think it's too outlandish to be considered possible? Just wondering if there was any hints at monogamous dinosaurs.
Its not very plausible and they could just say that it is a speculation. Tough I do think it has a slight chance of truth.
I think it is a reference to prededer
If Saurophaganax is its own genus which I doubt, not only would we find more remains, but more physical differences between it and Allosaurus rather than just size. It could also be signs of sexual dimorphism. You don’t just take something and just upscale it then call it something different.
Size is not the only difference between the two, and Saurophaganax might even turn out to be a basal carcharodontosaur. The reason we haven't found more remains could simply be because the animal itself was incredibly rare or just didn't fossilize well. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Pretty much every recent analysis focused on allosauroids places the two as separate genera, so that's where I stand for now.
That’s a good point. So Saurophaganax MIGHT be its own genus, or a large Allosaurus, we just need more remains. I guess it’s like Spinosaurus and Sigilmassasaurus. We just need more remains of them.
Poor ceratosaurus
They no having a good end in this documentarys
Wanna point out that there is a Tyrannosaur skull in the still picture of the "Allosaurus" vs Ceratosaurus and no one talks about it!
I love both, I do like saurophaganax more than allosaurus.......ceratosaurus should just be excluded rather than bullied :(
I still think an allosaurus won't risk an injury against 2 around a ton ceratosaurus.
I'm pretty sure one Allosaurus can scare away two Ceratosaurus
@@yoboibeerus1387 actually (if we use ceratosaurus dentisulcatus) ceratosaurus would have been 2.2m tall and 8m long. So it would have been around the same as allosaurus
@@yoboibeerus1387 ok
@@yoboibeerus1387 those sizes are still close enough that they would be on close ground
So, if tyrannosaurus had feathers, would it have dark coloured feathers to ambush hunt or would it be dull colours for the female and bright colours for the male
Well yes
Oh! Stegosaur and rhamphorhyncoidae also found in
Same rock formation with thailand sinraptor
At least they didn't show or say that Allosaurus used a slashing axe bite.
I found a paper deducing the max bite force of Allosaurus is over 8,700 newtons www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3391458/
Roughly 1,961 PSI, over half as strong as the bite of a saltwater crocodile.
I found a paper says its bite force was 4000 N, but yours is more recent so it is more accurate.
When I was like 12 this was my favorite show. I cringe watching these clips now. It's like Godzilla but science ish.
27:12 i must agree with you. At least, the slasher movie villians are the same species ( wich is Homo sapiens of course ) and kills other humans. So i don't understand why History channel treats allosaurus like Jason woorhes among ceratosaurus, when they could just do that in Bloodiest battle with other allosaurus
18:32 - it could also be Ornitholestes. Although Ornitholestes wasn't a Dromaeosaurid (It was a basal Maniraptoromorph), it did have a sickle claw.
My only guess is he was in a bad mood
Allosaurus left Dinosaur George for a Ceratosaurus
Thailand have jurassic rock formation too! This rock formation is name phu kradung formation
List of prehistoric animal in formation
1.prehistoric crocodile
2.sinraptor
3.ornithopod
4.mamenchisaurid
5.stegosaur
6.pterosaur
7.freshwater fish
8.turtle
9.temnispondyl
For sypnosis that rock formation have fish reptile and amphibian
Wow! This rock formation is found a lot
NICE MAN, its a bit more clear now
Oh the fight is personal alright, for the Ceratosaurus! (Or at least that would make more sense unless the allo/saurophagnax had a bad memory of getting scratched in the snout)
Maybe the ceratosaurs had a scar from another ceratosaurs or another Predator
Ryan Pendzik I’m assuming you’re talking about the fossil discovery, in which case I couldn’t find anything about Ceratosaurus bones with bite marks or anything like that (The show itself admits that most of not all Ceratosaurus fossils are relatively clean when it comes to bite marks than say, Allosaurus).
I’m talking about the male from jfc
55 is actually a typo of 65 mya
isn't ceratosaurus 5th largest behind?
- Saurophaganx
- Epanterias
- Torvosaurus
- Allosaurus
If you were to count Epanterias as a separate animal, then yes, but most people believe it to be either the same animal as Saurophanax/Allosaurus maximus or an unusually large specimen of Allosaurus fragilis.
Dood what about the eoraptors
I like
How no one noticed the te Rex skull on the floor at 4:55
Saurphanax sorry if I spell it wrong and allosaurus Completely different animals but they’re in the same family
Ryan Pendzik That’s exactly what I said in this video. Saurophaganax and Allosaurus are very closely related (Being the only two genera in the family Allosauridae), but current consensus is that they are indeed separate genera.
Sorry about that at the time and didn’t see the whole video
@@PaleoNerd1905 You made a couple of mistakes in this video (the only one i have seen). Claiming yourself a nerd its not congruent with your inaccuracy. I dont know if all of you use the same damn casual source (wikipedia) but I have seen a couple of videos saying the same wrong data.
The size of Allosaurus fragilis is not 8,5m, its not serious to say "average size" (what a coincidence the same term tha wikipedia use), if we use that with all species then the average size of Tyrannosaurus rex would be 11m, and the average Mapusaurus roseae 9m.
There are dozens of Allosaurus fragilis specimens above 8,5m. UUVP 3694 is a 8,8 m long subadult with 13 years, with a life span of 30 years and the fact that dinosaurs doesnt stop growing in their entire life, makes the 8,5m measurement nonsense.
Here you have some individuals above 9m: AMNH 257 (9m), UUVP 3607 (~9,1m), AMNH 666 (~9,2m), BYU COLL. (9,3m), BYU 571/671 (~9,4m), AMNH 290 (9,5m), AMNH 680 (9,75m), UUVP 294 (~9,9m), Exter quarry specimen (9,9m), NMMNH P-26083 (10,65m)(or 35 ft, the same in the tv show, and this specimen is definitely A.fragilis and not S.maximus), and finally AMNH 5767 (~12,1m)(probably A.fragilis but not S.maximus because it lacks paraespinal laminae).
Saurophaganax maximus is 10,8 m long, there are 2 specimens in OMNH, one about 10,3m and the biggest one 10,8m (48cm humerus, 1,13m femora "2114"), and it is only found in the Brushy Basin Member of Oklahoma. Some researchers think that this taxon is a basal carcharodontosaurid instead an allosaurid.
So regarding the size, A. fragilis would reach the subadult stage at an age of 12-13 years with around 8,5m (sexual maturity at 13-14 years), in the upcoming 4 years they would grow faster till reach adulthood with 16-17 years and around +10,5m long, and 11m long with 21 years (skeletal maturity). Its important to point out sexual dimorphism and individual variation in the size, probably female A.fragilis (and other species) were about 10% smaller than males, so an adult female (16-22 years) would measure 9,5-10,5m.
Im gonna paste here a previous message,
And last, the data that we have suggest that ecological segregation between Morrison carnivores was weak. In fact Ceratosaurus is found with Allosaurus in 77% of the localities from which Ceratosaurus is known, and in the only sites at which it occurs without Allosaurus, it is the only vertebrate specimen found in the quarry. So there wasnt any segregation between these two genera, they hunted in the same niche. The same occurs with Torvosaurus (63% found with Allosaurus), in fact Ceratosaurus and Torvosaurus have never been found together without Allosaurus. At all sites where, Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus are found together Allosaurus out-numbers Ceratosaurus by an average of 7,5-1. All data suggest geographic and enviromental overlap of Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus but that Ceratosaurus was simply rarer. Theres no area or paleoenviroment in which Ceratosaurus was more abundant.
You should change or update your sources.
@@bloodeagle2028 I'll admit I did make some mistakes with the sizing of Allosaurus and calling the one in the show Saurophaganax (if I made this video again I would have stuck with calling it Allosaurus). However, average size is very much a thing, so I have no idea what you're talking about there. If a majority of specimens are around a certain size, then that is the average size of the animal. That still means there can be individuals slightly smaller and slightly bigger due to individual variation and sexual dimorphism (like you said). Everything I've found about Saurophaganax suggests that it is very closely related to Allosaurus, either being a fellow allosaurid or a species of Allosaurus, so I don't know where you got the basal carcharodontosaur thing from. It's funny how you criticize my use of sources yet don't list any of your own.
Allosaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Torvosaurus would have had to fill separate niches, or else Allosaurus would be the only predator in the Morrison by outcompeting the others. Not only that, but they all differ in size as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Ceratosaurus for instance to hunt the same large prey as Allosaurus. The largest Allosaurus and Saurophaganax hunted the largest prey, like sauropods and stegosaurs, the slightly smaller Torvosaurus hunted iguanodonts, and the even smaller Ceratosaurus hunted small ornithischians and possibly fish. Them being found in the same areas doesn't mean they all occupied the same niche, that's stupid. That's like saying lions and cheetahs occupied the same niche.
Finally, you yourself have admitted that this is the only video of mine that you have seen, and this is a somewhat old video. I have improved much since then, so you judging me based on mistakes I made almost a year ago is stupid and immature, especially when you insult me by claiming i can't be a nerd because I made some mistakes. Also keep in mind that I'm only 18 right now and I'm just starting college, so my access to certain sources is limited. I suggest that you watch my more recent videos, and if you still have an issue with them, you express it in a way that doesn't make you look like a condescending asshole. Constructive criticism is fine, but this isn't constructive. Nowhere have you suggested ways for me to improve nor have you encouraged me to do better. Instead you have the audacity to suggest that I am unworthy of liking dinosaurs just because I made some errors. Please correct me if I am wrong, but last I checked being incorrect about something doesn't mean you're not worthy of liking it. If you are unable to criticize my work properly, then just stop watching my videos, because my intended audience is for people who want to learn, not people like you who put others down because you don't think they're good enough.
@@PaleoNerd1905 I was that rude because as I say I have been seeing a couple of videos (this one of you and 2 or 3 more from others) with the same errors, and all of them pretend to point out the mistakes of certain tv shows (im not defending them), but if you are doing so, at least you should be very well documented (its ironic correct others with errors).
The average size is a thing when we have a good data about ontogeny. In the case of A.fragilis despite there are many individuals around 8,5m, there are dozens above that, 5 near or more than 10m, 10 individuals more than 9m, at least 8 betwen 8,5m and 9m, so there isnt a majority around 8,5m (no more since the obtained data in the last decade). Plus if we add the fact that a 13 years old individual is already 8,8m (and still to come the years where they grow in incredibly fast) and that the individuals around 7m are morphologicaly different, way more gracile than +8m individuals (8,5m individuals are more similar in shape to 10m ones than 7m ones), that makes sense if they are juveniles entering to subadult stage (MOR 693 is 7,2m with 10 years).
For example, there are more 8-9m specimens of Mapusaurus roseae than 11-12m ones, but anyone says that 8,5m is the average size of M.roseae. Another example is Gorgosaurus libratus, and Albertosaurus sarcophagus, there are many adult individuals with 17 years measuring 7m or less (6,6m), the older ones (21-24 years) are around 8m, 8,6m the biggest ones (only one individual for each taxon reach that size), and you will see in the web the 8,5-9m like the average, although theres no one above 8,6m. In a good source 8m, or 8,5m but not 7m as average, despite the majority are around there.
The basal carcharodontosaurid hypothesys comes from Andrea Cau, he states "Based on Chure works, I consider Saurophaganax distinct from (for exaple in dorsal vertebral morphology) and not closely related to Allosaurus: their shared features are mainly primitive allosauroid features, and in several ways S.maximus reminds me to carcharodontosaurs. The recent discovery of carcharodontosaur from the Upper Jurassic of Tanzania shows that primitive carcharodontosaurs lived in the Jurassic, and Saurophaganax would be one of them."
Paleontology and Geology of the Upper Jurassic Morrison formation, Bulletin 36, there you can read all the "niche" issue, I didnt suggest there wasnt any difference (if looks like that, my bad, im sorry) Im going to paste the last phrase of the study "Large Morrison theropods appear to have been living in the same areas and enviroments, hunting the same general types of prey dinosaurs, yet possibly atacking/feeding/specilizing slightly diferently." For sure the difference in morphology in forelimbs, hindlimbs, tooth, skull and neck implies some different hunting behavior. Ceratosaurus both nasicornis (5,5m) and dentisulcatus (6,4m maybe fully grown nasicornis) with proportionaly very big teeth, small arms, overall robust, looks adapted to pursue dryosaurs and kind and kill them with few bites; Torvosaurus tanneri (8m in average, 2 individuals near 9,2m) with very large heads, small arms, small hindlibs and bulky, may specialize in stegosaurs and primitive ankylosaurs; Allosaurus fragilis (9,5 to 11m) looks more generalistic and better adapted to feed sauropods and stegosaurs, recently has been demostrated a way stronger bite force (900 to 1200kg) than previously thought (K.T. Bates and P.L Falkingham). But theres no evidence that Ceratosaurus lived in more watered enviroments. We can see lions, leopards and hyenas hunt mainly the same preys but ones are more common than others.
I dont doubt you are doing better, my suggest to improve, forget wikipedia and kind, casual sites on the net, use books of reputated paleontologist like Gregory Paul, Keneth Carpenter..., Princeton sells a couple of good books, read blogs of paleontologist, Mark Witton, Andrea Cau, Mortimer... with the books on your hands search references to studies, you can find many on the net but are hard to find, and finally you can talk with the paleontologist their self, Im not going to put any personal email for obvious reasons but you can find them in each university sites, this is the best way to learn, talk.
Im fine with my life thanks.
PS: you have to understand, there are a lot of people, too many teens, in the net with no formation and very bad documented appearing to be "experts" (im not refering to you) stating lies and wrong facts that spread like a virus and all random/casuals repeat like bots.
Best regards, and happy new year.
I hate this episode, nothing worse than watching your two favorite dinosaurs rip each other to shreds while the narrators rip them metaphorically.
The cerato from the first one could also have just been a less dominant male or a male displaying female colouration, like some male reptiles and birds do.
I think the scent marking theropods might have come from Jurassic Park 3 with the T. Rex pee.
Fun fact: now jurassic theropod species that found in thailand it has only one
:Sinraptor
I think they ment during the age of giant dinosaurs
Why does the Jurassic Fight Club Allosaurus make the Walking with Dinosaurs and Jurassic Park franchise make there Allosaurus look accurate, although the size is the same as Saurophaganax but it could be explained away that the Allosaurus has Saurophaganax DNA, similar to the Jurassic Park Sinoceratops where it has Pachyrhinosaurus DNA
18:21 How much is big stokesosaurus?
4 meters long and 1.3 meters height.
@@yoboibeerus1387 thankss
@@Sauron_Ghoul You're welcome!
21:10 that said Dinosaurs don't roar
For me allosaurus is my favorite dinosaur
Who made this artwork at 6:43?
ZombieSaurian, but unfortunately he's not on DeviantArt anymore.
In fact
it has one rockformation that age of early cretaeceous in thailand that megaraptoran live but is not the top predator! The top predator of this formation is carcharodontausaurian
I know because i m thai
Yeah i study english in from boy and now i m teeage
Is every predator an ambush hunter
Yes.
Technically yes every predator can ambush
Is the small theropod Lori considered invalid
It got described in 2019, as the troodontid Hesperornithoides miessleri.
We want Justice for Ceratosaurus
what color was ceratosaurus?
Thailand stegosaur is pretty big about little larger than human
Or that Ceratasorus had some cromitic disorder causing the female like color
I've never heard of that happening before. Are there any instances of that occurring in modern animals?
Paleo Nerd I cannot think of any, but that doesn’t mean that their aren’t any
Paleo Nerd although the closest I can think of is the mutton that causes white tigers and lions
@@davidtierney7941 It's okay, I was just curious.
I think maybe 1% of theropods mated for life I don’t know what species
Small nitpick, you spelled carcharodontosaurids wrong, but spelled carcharocles correctly in an earlier analysis
Your brief analysis of Episode 7 was interesting, but I'm not sure you understood the point of that episode. What I got from that episode was that though these predators were the "biggest killers in Nature", the episode was sending the message that the "true" biggest killer was Nature herself.
I know that. Not sure why you think I didn’t understand that.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Sorry about that. I may have skipped through that section a little.
13:37 what about uric acid?
The show specifically says scent marks, which is different. I do agree that uric acid would have been a better explanation.
Mhmmm
20:17 The narrator funnily enough, keeps saying how dumb Ceratosaurus is. I doubt dinosaurs can roar, even if so, why didn't the Ceratosaurus just turn tail and run away when it realizes it ain't worth the risk of injury and then run off? Any sane predator would know that dealing with another predator that's three times stronger or bigger than you would know, it isn't worth it and retreat. Animals have self preservation, and somehow the show makes a bullshit excuse in making its dinosaurs fight to the death. And I poked fun at the narrator's claim about how dumb Ceratosaurus is when the animal clearly isn't that dumb.
Actually you got it mixed up the ceratosaurs where in their own hunting ground and the "allosaur" huntend them down.
The narrator literally says that the Ceratosaurs wander into the Saurophaganax’s territory and he kills them. What you said is even stupider than what happens in the actual episode. Trust me, I watched the episode.
I think that was just miscommunication.
@@jelanitate20 George literally says the "Allosaurus" left scent marks, which wouldn't have been acknowledged if the Allo was the one invaded the ceratos' territory. Again, I've watched the episode, so I know what I'm talking about.
I m so glad that american youtuber interest on thailand dinosaur if you have a question of thailand prehistoric animal just ask me paleo nerd
21:32 Not even Pistol Shrimp?
Okay, I forgot about that. To be fair, a small shrimp really isn't a good analog to a giant dinosaur.
Oh really?!?!
@@PaleoNerd1905 Don't forget some whales. Blue whale calls and sperm whale clicks have been measured at 188 and 230 dB respectively.
The allosaurus literally bullies the poor ceratosaurus through out this episode not cool
(BRAGING)
24:18
Wait wait wait, we don't know if they could roar
Roaring is exclusive to mammals, so non-avian dinosaurs likely made sounds closer to those of modern birds and crocodilians.
@@PaleoNerd1905 yeah, but Dinosaurs are sort of a hybrid. Besides, Crocs actually roar. So why not?
Crocodilians don't roar, they hiss or bellow. There's a difference. Also, in what way are dinosaurs "hybrids"? Dinosaurs are reptiles, and birds are dinosaurs, so non-avian dinosaurs likely vocalized similarly to birds. Crocodiles are the closest living relatives to non-avian dinosaurs behind birds, so using croc sounds would work as well.
@@powerbalancevathelastkitsu2504 Dinosaurs are not hybrids.
@@powerbalancevathelastkitsu2504 also, Crocs can't roar. And besides, what THE FUCK did you find a video where a crocodile roars like this: 24:12
Ok
95% of this video;
Black screen
Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that happened, but that was not intentional.