I also noticed that early in the fight, the Camarasaurus bodyslams one of the Allosaurus and the latter hits the ground hard but then gets up as if nothing happened. Then the Camarasaurus stikes one of them with his tail and that crushes the Allosaurus' bones and kills it instantly? Guess the first Allosaurus had bones made of adamantium while its partner only had regualr bones XD
“Desperate need for a sandwich“ Allosaurus at the Dino-Restaurant: I’ll take one Camarasaurus burger and Stegosaurus ribs with Ceratosaurus blood, please.
Additions/Corrections/Clarifications: 1. Macronarians are perfectly capable of rearing up as it turns out, so just forget what I said in this video about it being impossible. 2. I incorrectly stated that Camarasaurus lentus weighed 30-40 tons, when the show's estimate of 20 tons is actually more reasonable for this species. 3. The Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry is very likely not a predator trap, as a recent paper has suggested that the massive die out was the result of a severe drought. 4. Recent studies have suggested that sauropods may have possessed keratinized lips rather than soft fleshy lips which they are traditionally depicted with.
The Saurophaganax (still a great name) come in a trio to a watering hole while SOMEHOW they just don't see the two dinosaurs that got stuck in the mud MINUTES ago. They have forward facing eyes (as seen in the clip where they are approaching the watering hole, specifically when one Saurophaganax looks at the camera) yet they do not see not one, but TWO Stegosaurus stuck in the mud. Perhaps the dinosaurs just talked to the writers about what to do in the fight, and the writers advised them to NOT go by their natural instincts, but to instead read a 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 page book about the logic of the show, just to make it "cooler" and therefore make the ABSOLUTE FREAKING IDIOTS.
Any sane predatory animal would go for the neck or head and end the fight then and there. Bloodiest Battle proceeds to make the Allosaurus into a stupid clown.
I think the real issue concerning oversizing Allosaurus in documentaries isn't the controversy regarding whether Saurophaganax maximus is a species of Allosaurus, it's the fact that Allosaurus fragilis is way more common in the Morrison Formation (outnumbering maximus 9 to 1). Documentaries choosing the use the bigger and more spectacular Allosaurus maximus as the champion of the genus is both misleading to the audience (painting the giant allosaur as a more prominent figure in the Morrison ecosystem than it really was) and a huge disservice to Allosaurus fragilis (given its rich and extensive fossil record). This is especially bad if the documentary specifically centers on a discovery that involves fragilis but not maximus, like Big Al or the Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry.
To be fair, the 12 metre-long Allosaurus meme isn't really based on Saurophaganax/Allosaurus maximus at all, but it's an outdated paleomeme that originated from Jim Madsen's (1976) monograph on Allosaurus fragilis, specifically and the 12 metre-long estimate got repeated a lot in older books following it and documentaries (JFC included): digitallibrary.utah.gov/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=39079
This episode pissed me off the most, for the 'awesomebro' nature you mentioned. The allosaurus were so idiotic, I just can't even. Considering the fact I love allosaurus and ceratosaurus, this episode was one of two in the series that I had the most interest in watching, only to be disappointed. Your video did a great job putting my thoughts into words, right down to how wrongfully poor cerato was treated in this series. I look forward to your other videos, especially the other episode concerning our favorite Jurassic bois.
I've also noticed a scaling inconsistency in this. The Allosaurus is described as being nearly double the length of the Ceratosaurus, yet when we see them on the screen together, the former only looks a little over a third larger than the latter (kinda like the real-life A.fragilis). Same thing with megalodon and the oversized 40-foot Brygmophyseter. Despite Meg having 10 extra feet of length, when they fight it's quite clear in most of the shots that the whales and the shark are the exact same size.
Not to mention in Raptor’s last stand, the utahraptor is said to be 6 feet tall while gastonia is put at 3 feet tall but in the show you can see the creatures being the same height
The show says the Allosaurus’s momentum drives it underneath the Camarasaurus. That’s probably why it didn’t stop. Not to mention the inertia of a three to four ton animal would not be able to stop instantly. The Allosaurus also did not expect the Camarasaurus to do rear up, meaning the Allosaurus was taken by surprise.
Going through the series; good job and overall format. Applaud you for slogging through it to make these reviews. I'd contend that if they wanted to fill an hour of space in an interesting yet more accurate and less "awesomebro" manner, they could've depicted the idea of the site as a long-term seasonal pond that dried out and left the local animals to die of thirst and disease. The _Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong_ series (which I assume you're familiar with) did a nice explainer for this hypothesis, which was recently bolstered by a new paper a couple years ago: ruclips.net/video/j6E-mGjgk8g/видео.html There's a lot of good stuff about paleoecology and general ecological cascades that could've been explored in this episode -- and there'd have been room for some fighting scenes if they really wanted that too -- but no, everyone just meets up at one time and mindlessly brawls.
I agree with this so much it somehow makes me hate this show more. You also assume correctly that I am familiar with YDAW, and I’m a huge fan of that series.
This is even more ridiculous than a tyrannosaur completely yeeting itself seemingly a hundred feet off the ground I completely massacring an Edmontosaurus herd.
Fun fact: Brontosaurus initially had Camarasaurus and Apatosaurus fossils to finish the skeleton. If I’m not mistaken, Brontosaurus is now a valid taxon. Please correct me if I’m wrong. People often take bones from other dinosaurs and build a skeleton from that. Ask Spinosaurus for proof.
Modern African carnivores, namely lions and hyenas will waste energy to kill each other and other contemporary predators, with lions rarely eating the competitors they kill. Hyenas, however, are a little less discriminating
Ironically that is largely a product of intelligence as they understand killing off potential competition can be beneficial long term. Chimpanzees take this to extremes with examples like the Gombe Chimpanzee War. Dinosaurs would have more reptile-like intelligence and likely wouldn't have considered it worthwhile at the moment.
@@LiterallyWho1917 still doesn’t explain why they don’t eat the kills, especially when hyenas are quite intelligent themselves, having better social and problem solving abilities than lions. It would have sense if they cache the meal though but in that heat
@@victory8928 Could be a number of reasons. There could be family nearby who would be a threat if you stuck around, they might not have a lot of meat on them so not worth the effort etc. Also, predator's livers have high vitamin A concentrations which can be lethal like when some early arctic explorers ate a polar bear and eventually succumbed to vitamin A overdose, Chubbyemu did a vid on the topic.
Your comment on Stegosaurus not needing any introduction really couldn't be more accurate. And it's not just T-Rex it's standing alongside. For me, there's a "fearsome foursome" of the most popular Dinosaurs of all time: T-Rex, Triceratops, Stegosaurus, and Allosaurus.
@tyrannus249 I would have cut that plot all together and made something more realistic like "the allosaurus retreat when they see the camarasaurus". Ngl the jurassic fight club dinosaurs are either starving or suicidal.
@@chadgorosaurus4898 I would've rewrote it as the Ceratosaurus just feasting on the dead juvenile Stegosaurus, only to get stuck, then the Allosaurus show up, also get stuck and die while another pair of Ceratosaurus watch from a distance and just avoid the fight altogether. Pisses me off the show treated the Ceratosaurus as a punching bag.
Maybe, just maybe the _Stegosaurus_ in the documental is based in _Armatus_ This is because Sophie was not found yet and _Armatus_ was the type species.
14:50 it’s genuinely amazing and hilarious how terrible the editing is on this show is. Since the story is entirely fictional making up a gender for your characters is literally the easiest thing to do and they couldn’t even get that right
Just FYI, Stegosaurus armatus is dubious due to the fragmentary nature of the holotype, and S. ungulatus is probably synonymous with S. stenops (Raven and Maidment (2017), A New Phylogeny of Stegosauria (Dinosauria, Ornithischia)). Another addendum is that Allosaurus fragilis probably could grow larger than 9 metres long, or at the very least, 8.5-9 metres long doesn't appear to be the maximum size of the species as Bybee et al. (2006) found that none of the A. fragilis sampled, even the largest definitive A. fragilis specimen AMNH 680 which was about 9+ metres long, had external fundamental system/EFS (save for a large, isolated fragmentary fibula), the hallmark of full skeletal maturity in dinosaurs, and thus are still growing at the time of their deaths (Bybee et al. (2006) Sizing the Jurassic theropod dinosaur Allosaurus: assessing growth strategy and evolution of ontogenetic scaling of limbs. ). onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmor.10406 Also, if Mickey Mortimer is correct, the large Peterson Quarry allosaurid (NMMNH P-26083) is more likely to be Allosaurus than Saurophaganax (theropoddatabase.com/Carnosauria.htm ): "NMMNH P-26083 (Williamson and Chure, 1996) is a large specimen from the Tithonian Brushy Basin Member of the Morrison Formation in New Mexico. Williamson and Chure merely referred it to Allosauridae, not a particular genus. It is assigned to Allosaurus instead of Saurophaganax because the femoral shaft is straight in anterior view, the tibial facet for the astragalar ascending process is well marked and the medial malleolus of the tibia is poorly expanded. P-26083's large size invites comparison to Epanterias, but no preserved elements are shared with the holotype. The strongly curved cnemial crest, twisted tibial shaft, and flattened medial surface of the medial tibial condyle are supposedly unique characters. However, twisted tibial shafts are almost universal among theropods and A. fragilis exemplar USNM 4734 also has a concave medial edge of its medial condyle. As the tibia is not figured in proximal view, the cnemial crest's curvature cannot be evaluated." Still, the 11.5-12 metres long length JFC gave is probably stretching it (pun intended), and the 10+ metre long specimens of A. fragilis would probably be quite rare in the Morrison as well like Saurophaganax; as they are likely just rare individuals who either managed to reach old age, lucked out in the nutrients and/or genetics department, or both. Although I just found out that Madsen's (1976, 1993) monograph of Allosaurus did say "The size range of allosaurs in the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry, based on diagnostic material such as femora, indicates a maximum No. 40, and minimum No. 10. This material. loosely interpreted and assuming fully erect, bipedal posture, indicates an adult 12 meters in length, standing 4.5 meters tall, and a juvenile 3 meters in length, standing one meter tall." Link: digitallibrary.utah.gov/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=39079 Does anyone know what happened to the 12 metre-long estimate Madsen gave to this Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry Allosaurus? Some help on this would be appreciated. Great videos on dissecting the show anyway! :D
@@PaleoNerd1905 Correcting myself as I did a typo above: even the largest definitive A. fragilis specimen AMNH 680 which was about 9+ metres long, had NO external fundamental system/EFS (save for a large, isolated fragmentary fibula), the hallmark of full skeletal maturity in dinosaurs, and thus are still growing at the time of their deaths
Addendum: Apparently there's one large A. fragilis tibia (MHNG GEPI V2567b) from the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry that was found with EFS, meaning this one was a full adult when it died: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart.2021.641060/full Based on the length of the tibia, it's within the size range of the 8 m-long DINO 2560 (which has a tibia length of 745 mm), which I've heard from Rebecca-Hunt Foster that it is also an adult. Given Allosaurus growth rates are variable between individuals according to this recent paper, this might explain the size variation between adults.
Jobaria's exact classification is uncertain, as some studies have shown it to be a basal marconarian while others place it as being more basal. All we know is that it is somewhere within Eusauropoda, perhaps being more basal than Macronaria. The study definitely is valid, but Jobaria's placement in Macronaria is not entirely certain. Even so, Camarasaurus was much larger and much heavier, so it's possible that Jobaria could rear up, but Camarasaurus could not.
Great video,I made a video about JFC and mentioned you so that my audience can come here and examine accuracies and inaccuracies better than my video,thanks for making this series
I'd say the Stegosaurus and Camarasaurus were animals that had died by complete accident, and the Allosaurus were in fact Saurophaganax, and the Ceratosaurus were predators that ate smaller game, and didn't compete with Allos and Saurophaganax, who probably chased Ceratos off from their kills, and both of them probably hunted similar game, such as Camptosaurus or Camarasaurus calves, with Allos taking mid tier game, maybe hunting smaller Ceratos that were sick or badly injured, and Sauros probably did the same but with Allos added to their list. As for the Camarasaurus, they were C Lentus, I never actually knew they had their own species, and all of these guys were found in a big predator trap.
That’s another thing too is that in the series they make the animals way too big and then they’re fossilized counterparts this isn’t a Jurassic Park or anything like for example ceratosaurs 13 feet tall which is ridiculous
How is this documentary so bad at being accurate? I mean, inaccuracy is annoying in dinosaur movies but it usually doesn’t necessarily ruin them, but a documentary’s purpose is literally to be as accurate as possible.
I was seeing your videos all day, very educational. I love dinosaurs since I was 3 years old, now I have 25. I saw this TV show when i was a kid, i know that it's very inaccurate but i still enjoy it very much. I'm curious, you are just a fan of dinosaurs or you have some estudies about it? And were you get all this information? I had troubles to find good sites in the internet to read about dinosaurs
18:34 I mean- i understand your comment (the neck is basically the universal weak point of all animals) but looking at those plates, could you blame the cerato for biting on the abdomen instead? Because for me at least, biting on those plates on the stego's neck would be like biting vertically on a hard af dorito
18:46 Of course Ceratosaurus didn't bite the juvenile Stegosaurus neck, he can't just bite through those plates, it would be like trying to eat a Dorito vertically
Now I'm starting to think that both the camarasaurus and allosaurus it crushed are idiots since the camarasaur could just move its hands away from the mud when they got freed
I just enjoyed JFC for the fun of it. Dinosaurs fighting has always been such a fun thing to watch. I was a kid at the time too so I loved it. Accuracy wise, well I can tell by your video you already know and do not like it lmao.
Lions and hyenas hate eachother and will take any opportunity, where (and i cannot stress this enough) there is little risk to themselves to kill the other. I can see a similar thing happening with morrison therapods. Morrison, like modern Africa wasn't a battle zone of waring dinos, but it wasn't a peaceful place where therapods lived side by side in harmony. Ceratosaurus unique amoung morrison therapods had a more flexible tail(for what its worth) (perhaps it lived in more forested environments where it could use its anatomy to stay out of the way of larger therapods )We find allos in large numbers, perhaps forming loose groups qnd gangs, which seems like a legitimate strategy to not end up on the bigger torvosaurus or saurophaginax's dinner plate.
I pretty sure the juvenile stegosaurus wouldn’t be enough to feed the three so that probably why the saurophgenax I spelled that horrible went to attack a adult
22:34 Alright not gonna lie, when I first heard him say the Allosaurus made a wise decision to abandon the dino carcasses and attack the Camarasaurus I was like "Yeah wise decision my ass". I said that last word with my mouth closed because I keep forgetting if I am or am not allowed to say it, but last time I checked I was allowed to say it. I'm not sure how anyone else could handle it better though
I generally don't dislike dinosaur nicknames unless they're inaccurate or misinformative. The "lion of the jurassic" is pretty fitting for Allosaurus, and I doubt anyone would take it literally and think that Allosaurus is a lion, so as far as I'm concerned.
I like it but there's no evidence of allosaurus living or hunting in groups. Perhaps they came together during seasonal migration like those daspletosaurus in planet dinosaur did
@@alcyon7536 Happen to have a source for that? I admit that 30-40 tons is oversized, but the smallest I've seen for lentus is 25 US tons, so I'm curious about where you got that information from. It could prove useful for future videos.
@@alcyon7536 For some reason when you said overweight I thought somehow Paleo Nerd had a pet camarasaurus and overfed the damn thing. My brain is weird.
As a kid I like jfc but looking back yea it’s sucks It’s not the best at all and when I heard is that dinosaur George said that there is going to be season to couple of years back if they’re doing season two they got to do it right
@@tyrannotherium7873 I think he was talking about a couple of additional episodes that didn't get filmed, one of which was going to focus on the iconic skeleton of the "Fighting Dinosaurs": Velociraptor and Protoceratops.
@@kevinnorwood8782 The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs and Dinosaur Planet have both depicted that exact discovery much better than JFC would have. TBH the only way I would want a JFC Season 2 is if they learned from their mistakes in Season 1 and fired everyone who made it so awesomebro and actually make it good and accurate. That's the only way I could be excited for a Season 2.
18:40 i think ceratosaurus attacked in that area of the juvenile beacuse the head is an too small part of the stegosaurus to the ceratosaurus feast on for alot of time
Leopards and lynxes probably didn't have to deal with sticky mud or tar. The La Brea tar pits for example have all kinds of animals from giant mammals to small birds that got stuck, no matter how splayed their toes were. The splayed toes of theropods are really like those of modern birds (a comparison that even this show made), and yet birds have been found to become victims of predator traps much like these.
Stegosaurus did not use its plates for defensive purposes they were to fragile and were probably use for mating purposes or to make the animal look bigger and could have been sexually dimorphic where females had smaller lower plates while males had the bigger taller plates because if the plates were use in defense they would collapse.
Stegosaurs also couldn't push blood in their plates because the stegosauroid hesperosaurus a early relative was found with well preserved plates wich were not covered in skin wich would made them unavailable to do that
Yea its inaccurate but I enjoyed watching this show when I was a kid I think anyone who knows anything about dinosaurs or anything about animal behavior would know that its inaccurate but honestly I do wish that the history Chanel discovery or animal planet or Nat geo would air something like this just more accurate infact I would be happy with anything about dinosaurs or animals instead of the dog shit that they air right now
I agree that camarasaurus can’t rear up because there Macronarians I never thought about until now when I look theses guys and it saids only diplodocus or apatosaurus but then Macronarians don’t and also Thanosasurus : you should you….. you should should… you.. you should gone for the head Thor Al: no!!!! Thor Al: ☠️ by stegosaurus spike tail if I’m wrong
Am I the only one who finds it kinda weird that Saurophaganax is only ever portrayed as an Allosaurus on steroids? Seriously, it's as if God took one of his creations (Allosaurus) and decided to press "upgrade" and Saurophaganax was the result. I'm aware of the fact that Saurophaganax was indeed a large relative of Allosaurus, or maybe even Allosaurus itself, but I'd kinda like to see it portrayed differently for once. Like, it doesn't have to be just an Allosaurus, but "BIG". Make it more interesting, do something cool with it. Give it different head ornamantations, speculate a little bit...
Honestly I enjoy Jurassic Fight Club I like That Old Series From History Channel and I Like The Designs Of The Creatures From Jurassic Fight Club to be honest.
Luis Rivera Same here, man. It may not be the most accurate Dinosaur documentary ever created, but it's still a definite guilty pleasure of mine. And I liked a lot of the creatures' designs as well.
This is my opinion there is no prehistoric and modern terrasterial predator that can walk on predator trap because if predator can walk on it then it called predator trap for what?! Right? Do you think like me paleo nerd
Sauropophaganax name meaning"sauropod hunter" for me this dinosaur species is super cool dinosaur name whoa! I sound like you paleo nerd(even though saurophaganax is not the only carnivorous dinosaur that can bring down a sauropod)
I also noticed that early in the fight, the Camarasaurus bodyslams one of the Allosaurus and the latter hits the ground hard but then gets up as if nothing happened. Then the Camarasaurus stikes one of them with his tail and that crushes the Allosaurus' bones and kills it instantly? Guess the first Allosaurus had bones made of adamantium while its partner only had regualr bones XD
More inconsistent writing for you
Yeah noticed that too
The episode is unintentionally fucking hilarious and also ridiculously unrealistic and inconsistent. 🤣🤣
Ballad of big Al did a better job then this.
Indeed it did.
It even corrected an inaccuracie since the walking with dinosaurs allosaurus had its crests on his eyes and big al didn't
That’s because it it didn’t make bullshit excuses to show gory fight scenes
To be honest I'm going to agree with you with that one@@PaleoNerd1905
100000000 times better
“Desperate need for a sandwich“
Allosaurus at the Dino-Restaurant:
I’ll take one Camarasaurus burger and Stegosaurus ribs with Ceratosaurus blood, please.
Breaking news: allosaurus couple murdered by burger
And a campto burrito for ceratosaurus pls
Stegosauribs
Diet ceratosaurs blood. He's watching his figure you know.
Is that supposed to be funny
Additions/Corrections/Clarifications:
1. Macronarians are perfectly capable of rearing up as it turns out, so just forget what I said in this video about it being impossible.
2. I incorrectly stated that Camarasaurus lentus weighed 30-40 tons, when the show's estimate of 20 tons is actually more reasonable for this species.
3. The Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry is very likely not a predator trap, as a recent paper has suggested that the massive die out was the result of a severe drought.
4. Recent studies have suggested that sauropods may have possessed keratinized lips rather than soft fleshy lips which they are traditionally depicted with.
I guess that technically means this episode is inaccurate by today’s standards.
With the first correction you made, King Rexy has corrected you when I was talking about what he would do if he were to remake Jurassic Fight Club.
The Saurophaganax (still a great name) come in a trio to a watering hole while SOMEHOW they just don't see the two dinosaurs that got stuck in the mud MINUTES ago. They have forward facing eyes (as seen in the clip where they are approaching the watering hole, specifically when one Saurophaganax looks at the camera) yet they do not see not one, but TWO Stegosaurus stuck in the mud. Perhaps the dinosaurs just talked to the writers about what to do in the fight, and the writers advised them to NOT go by their natural instincts, but to instead read a 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 page book about the logic of the show, just to make it "cooler" and therefore make the ABSOLUTE FREAKING IDIOTS.
So does that mean Camarasaurus and Brachiosaurus could rear up on their hind legs? And what about Argentinosaurus, Patagotitan and Paralititan?
@@zooemperor3954 Apparently yes.
Got a lot of static in the background, I'd look into getting rid of that if I were you, but good video either way! :)
“GO FOR THE HEAD YOU IDIOTS!”
Exactly what I was thinking when I first watched the episode
Any sane predatory animal would go for the neck or head and end the fight then and there. Bloodiest Battle proceeds to make the Allosaurus into a stupid clown.
I think the real issue concerning oversizing Allosaurus in documentaries isn't the controversy regarding whether Saurophaganax maximus is a species of Allosaurus, it's the fact that Allosaurus fragilis is way more common in the Morrison Formation (outnumbering maximus 9 to 1). Documentaries choosing the use the bigger and more spectacular Allosaurus maximus as the champion of the genus is both misleading to the audience (painting the giant allosaur as a more prominent figure in the Morrison ecosystem than it really was) and a huge disservice to Allosaurus fragilis (given its rich and extensive fossil record). This is especially bad if the documentary specifically centers on a discovery that involves fragilis but not maximus, like Big Al or the Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry.
Update, Al belongs to a newly established Allosaurus species.
Allosaurus jimmadseni (Jim Madsen's different lizard).
To be fair, the 12 metre-long Allosaurus meme isn't really based on Saurophaganax/Allosaurus maximus at all, but it's an outdated paleomeme that originated from Jim Madsen's (1976) monograph on Allosaurus fragilis, specifically and the 12 metre-long estimate got repeated a lot in older books following it and documentaries (JFC included):
digitallibrary.utah.gov/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=39079
This episode pissed me off the most, for the 'awesomebro' nature you mentioned. The allosaurus were so idiotic, I just can't even. Considering the fact I love allosaurus and ceratosaurus, this episode was one of two in the series that I had the most interest in watching, only to be disappointed. Your video did a great job putting my thoughts into words, right down to how wrongfully poor cerato was treated in this series.
I look forward to your other videos, especially the other episode concerning our favorite Jurassic bois.
Awesomebros are not your Enemies Ok.
Team Ninja Bug What was the second episode that disappointed you?
The allosauruses had two stegosauruses and a ceratosaurus to eat why did they feel the need to attack a fully grown sauropod?
21:21
Stegosaurus Thanos
“Stegos”
This comment is underrated
There's an actual dinosaur named Thanos. Go look it up if you don't believe me.
@@canethevelociraptor501 yes, it was pretty small for a dinosaur.
Nice
I've also noticed a scaling inconsistency in this. The Allosaurus is described as being nearly double the length of the Ceratosaurus, yet when we see them on the screen together, the former only looks a little over a third larger than the latter (kinda like the real-life A.fragilis). Same thing with megalodon and the oversized 40-foot Brygmophyseter. Despite Meg having 10 extra feet of length, when they fight it's quite clear in most of the shots that the whales and the shark are the exact same size.
I noticed that as well, scaling issues is a frequent problem in the Jurassic segments especially.
If Livyithan was in the show it woudl probably be bigger than the Meg like life
Not to mention in Raptor’s last stand, the utahraptor is said to be 6 feet tall while gastonia is put at 3 feet tall but in the show you can see the creatures being the same height
The show says the Allosaurus’s momentum drives it underneath the Camarasaurus. That’s probably why it didn’t stop. Not to mention the inertia of a three to four ton animal would not be able to stop instantly. The Allosaurus also did not expect the Camarasaurus to do rear up, meaning the Allosaurus was taken by surprise.
Lmao, the Allosaurus is the stupidest predator in the show. 🤣🤣🥴
Jurassic fight club: how the teacher explains things
ballad of big al: how the Indian guy on RUclips explains things
Wait a minute. Saurophaganax was rare at the Cleveland Lloyd Quarry Site too. It probably would’ve won as well by avoiding the fight too.
“Go for the head, you idiots! It’s right there!” is the best part of this entire video. 😂😂😂
Forget the Stegosaurus’s head. THERE ARE TWO COMPLETELY HARMLESS CORPSES RIGHT HERE. JUST EAT THOSE
“You should have gone for the head.”
“You should have gone for the head.”
The Allosaurus are unintentionally the most stupid dinosaur in the episode, dethroned the Nanotyrannus lmao
@WesleyO05 the episode was hilarious because of the Allosaurus being idiots lmao. I feel sorry for the Ceratosaurus. Lol
Think of it like a crocodile ( Cerataosarus) and a lion (Allosaurus) they rarely clash and mostly left each other alone
Going through the series; good job and overall format. Applaud you for slogging through it to make these reviews. I'd contend that if they wanted to fill an hour of space in an interesting yet more accurate and less "awesomebro" manner, they could've depicted the idea of the site as a long-term seasonal pond that dried out and left the local animals to die of thirst and disease. The _Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong_ series (which I assume you're familiar with) did a nice explainer for this hypothesis, which was recently bolstered by a new paper a couple years ago: ruclips.net/video/j6E-mGjgk8g/видео.html
There's a lot of good stuff about paleoecology and general ecological cascades that could've been explored in this episode -- and there'd have been room for some fighting scenes if they really wanted that too -- but no, everyone just meets up at one time and mindlessly brawls.
I agree with this so much it somehow makes me hate this show more. You also assume correctly that I am familiar with YDAW, and I’m a huge fan of that series.
I feel like cerato really needs a hug
Yes he needs hug
Ceratosaurus needs some respect for once in its prehistoric life
Ceratosaurus is the only dinosaur in the show I feel so bad for lmao
Allosaurus Has Never Seen Such Bull Crap.
Lol
This is even more ridiculous than a tyrannosaur completely yeeting itself seemingly a hundred feet off the ground I completely massacring an Edmontosaurus herd.
Are you talking the Albertosaurus moment from March of the Dinosaurs?
I didn’t really know where that was from. I’ve only seen it in a video called T-Rex vs Spinosaurus part 2
@@WesleyO05 Okay yeah that's March of the Dinosaurs.
So that’s an albertosaurus? Even though Albertosaurus isn’t as heavy as T Rex it still can’t jump like that
@@WesleyO05 Yeah. I wasn't saying it could.
You should have played the crib your enthusiasm at 25:00
In entire this series, the ceratosaurus is the best and smartest dino.
And the one with the lest luck
Fun fact: Brontosaurus initially had Camarasaurus and Apatosaurus fossils to finish the skeleton. If I’m not mistaken, Brontosaurus is now a valid taxon. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
People often take bones from other dinosaurs and build a skeleton from that. Ask Spinosaurus for proof.
Brontosaurus is a valid genus as of 2015.
Modern African carnivores, namely lions and hyenas will waste energy to kill each other and other contemporary predators, with lions rarely eating the competitors they kill. Hyenas, however, are a little less discriminating
Ironically that is largely a product of intelligence as they understand killing off potential competition can be beneficial long term. Chimpanzees take this to extremes with examples like the Gombe Chimpanzee War.
Dinosaurs would have more reptile-like intelligence and likely wouldn't have considered it worthwhile at the moment.
@@LiterallyWho1917 still doesn’t explain why they don’t eat the kills, especially when hyenas are quite intelligent themselves, having better social and problem solving abilities than lions. It would have sense if they cache the meal though but in that heat
@@victory8928 Could be a number of reasons. There could be family nearby who would be a threat if you stuck around, they might not have a lot of meat on them so not worth the effort etc. Also, predator's livers have high vitamin A concentrations which can be lethal like when some early arctic explorers ate a polar bear and eventually succumbed to vitamin A overdose, Chubbyemu did a vid on the topic.
@@LiterallyWho1917 good points
@@LiterallyWho1917 We really can’t say for certain how intelligent dinosaurs were to that degree honestly.
Though they probably weren’t too smart.
Your comment on Stegosaurus not needing any introduction really couldn't be more accurate. And it's not just T-Rex it's standing alongside. For me, there's a "fearsome foursome" of the most popular Dinosaurs of all time: T-Rex, Triceratops, Stegosaurus, and Allosaurus.
Id replace allosaurus with brachiosaurus
@@groque1654 i'd add brontosaurus/apatosaurus to that list
So more of a famous five
@@kylebrady969 brontosaurus and apatosaurus I 2 completely different sauropods
NGL, I found the death of the last Allosaurus hilarious
Yeah, it was completely avoidable
It was both hilarious and stupid of the Allosaurus as it's the stupidest predator in the show. 🥴🤣🤣
"The allosaurs make a very wise decision and go for the camarasaurus"
What were these guys onto when making this
If I corrected it, it would've said "The Allosaurus makes a very stupid decision and go for the Camarasaurus". The shows so idiotic.
@tyrannus249 I would have cut that plot all together and made something more realistic like "the allosaurus retreat when they see the camarasaurus". Ngl the jurassic fight club dinosaurs are either starving or suicidal.
@@chadgorosaurus4898 I would've rewrote it as the Ceratosaurus just feasting on the dead juvenile Stegosaurus, only to get stuck, then the Allosaurus show up, also get stuck and die while another pair of Ceratosaurus watch from a distance and just avoid the fight altogether. Pisses me off the show treated the Ceratosaurus as a punching bag.
Maybe, just maybe the _Stegosaurus_ in the documental is based in _Armatus_
This is because Sophie was not found yet and _Armatus_ was the type species.
If I was one of those Saurophaganax, I’d eat one of the already dead corpses. It keep me alive for longer and is much healthier of an option.
That’s a good choice on your part.
Yeah there's literally a whole buffet why kill anything else
Broken Jaw:Human-level intelligence
Jurassic Fight Saurophanax/Allosaurus:Dumber than a jellyfish
14:50 it’s genuinely amazing and hilarious how terrible the editing is on this show is. Since the story is entirely fictional making up a gender for your characters is literally the easiest thing to do and they couldn’t even get that right
Honestly the idea of the Allosaurus using the Antorbital Fenestra to deal with overheating,
That’s actually kind of a cool idea
Just FYI, Stegosaurus armatus is dubious due to the fragmentary nature of the holotype, and S. ungulatus is probably synonymous with S. stenops (Raven and Maidment (2017), A New Phylogeny of Stegosauria (Dinosauria, Ornithischia)).
Another addendum is that Allosaurus fragilis probably could grow larger than 9 metres long, or at the very least, 8.5-9 metres long doesn't appear to be the maximum size of the species as Bybee et al. (2006) found that none of the A. fragilis sampled, even the largest definitive A. fragilis specimen AMNH 680 which was about 9+ metres long, had external fundamental system/EFS (save for a large, isolated fragmentary fibula), the hallmark of full skeletal maturity in dinosaurs, and thus are still growing at the time of their deaths (Bybee et al. (2006) Sizing the Jurassic theropod dinosaur Allosaurus: assessing growth strategy and evolution of ontogenetic scaling of limbs.
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onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmor.10406
Also, if Mickey Mortimer is correct, the large Peterson Quarry allosaurid (NMMNH P-26083) is more likely to be Allosaurus than Saurophaganax (theropoddatabase.com/Carnosauria.htm ):
"NMMNH P-26083 (Williamson and Chure, 1996) is a large specimen from the Tithonian Brushy Basin Member of the Morrison Formation in New Mexico. Williamson and Chure merely referred it to Allosauridae, not a particular genus. It is assigned to Allosaurus instead of Saurophaganax because the femoral shaft is straight in anterior view, the tibial facet for the astragalar ascending process is well marked and the medial malleolus of the tibia is poorly expanded. P-26083's large size invites comparison to Epanterias, but no preserved elements are shared with the holotype. The strongly curved cnemial crest, twisted tibial shaft, and flattened medial surface of the medial tibial condyle are supposedly unique characters. However, twisted tibial shafts are almost universal among theropods and A. fragilis exemplar USNM 4734 also has a concave medial edge of its medial condyle. As the tibia is not figured in proximal view, the cnemial crest's curvature cannot be evaluated."
Still, the 11.5-12 metres long length JFC gave is probably stretching it (pun intended), and the 10+ metre long specimens of A. fragilis would probably be quite rare in the Morrison as well like Saurophaganax; as they are likely just rare individuals who either managed to reach old age, lucked out in the nutrients and/or genetics department, or both.
Although I just found out that Madsen's (1976, 1993) monograph of Allosaurus did say "The size range of allosaurs in the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry, based on diagnostic material such as femora, indicates a maximum No. 40, and minimum No. 10. This material. loosely interpreted and assuming fully erect, bipedal posture, indicates an adult 12 meters in length, standing 4.5 meters tall, and a juvenile 3 meters in length, standing one meter tall." Link: digitallibrary.utah.gov/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=39079
Does anyone know what happened to the 12 metre-long estimate Madsen gave to this Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry Allosaurus? Some help on this would be appreciated.
Great videos on dissecting the show anyway! :D
Thanks for the info!
@@PaleoNerd1905 You're welcome, glad to help! :D
@@PaleoNerd1905 Correcting myself as I did a typo above: even the largest definitive A. fragilis specimen AMNH 680 which was about 9+ metres long, had NO external fundamental system/EFS (save for a large, isolated fragmentary fibula), the hallmark of full skeletal maturity in dinosaurs, and thus are still growing at the time of their deaths
Addendum: Apparently there's one large A. fragilis tibia (MHNG GEPI V2567b) from the Cleveland-Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry that was found with EFS, meaning this one was a full adult when it died: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart.2021.641060/full
Based on the length of the tibia, it's within the size range of the 8 m-long DINO 2560 (which has a tibia length of 745 mm), which I've heard from Rebecca-Hunt Foster that it is also an adult. Given Allosaurus growth rates are variable between individuals according to this recent paper, this might explain the size variation between adults.
Jobaria is a Macronarian? I thought Paul Sereno showed that Jobaria COULD rear up on its back legs?
Jobaria's exact classification is uncertain, as some studies have shown it to be a basal marconarian while others place it as being more basal. All we know is that it is somewhere within Eusauropoda, perhaps being more basal than Macronaria. The study definitely is valid, but Jobaria's placement in Macronaria is not entirely certain. Even so, Camarasaurus was much larger and much heavier, so it's possible that Jobaria could rear up, but Camarasaurus could not.
Great video,I made a video about JFC and mentioned you so that my audience can come here and examine accuracies and inaccuracies better than my video,thanks for making this series
poor ceratosaurus never win any fights in JFC
They really hate Ceratosaurus in this show. It’s unfortunate. ☹️
Its my favorite dinosaur :(
Eh I'm not a fan of ceratosaurus
I'd say the Stegosaurus and Camarasaurus were animals that had died by complete accident, and the Allosaurus were in fact Saurophaganax, and the Ceratosaurus were predators that ate smaller game, and didn't compete with Allos and Saurophaganax, who probably chased Ceratos off from their kills, and both of them probably hunted similar game, such as Camptosaurus or Camarasaurus calves, with Allos taking mid tier game, maybe hunting smaller Ceratos that were sick or badly injured, and Sauros probably did the same but with Allos added to their list. As for the Camarasaurus, they were C Lentus, I never actually knew they had their own species, and all of these guys were found in a big predator trap.
Like allosaurus and saurophaganax are my favorate dinosaurs but here they make allosaurus look stupid considering its desision making
Ceratosaurus, probably one of the only creatures with a brain in this "doncumentary"
That’s another thing too is that in the series they make the animals way too big and then they’re fossilized counterparts this isn’t a Jurassic Park or anything like for example ceratosaurs 13 feet tall which is ridiculous
And people think Stegosaurus was dumb
When you say height at the shoulder, shouldn't it be height at the hips?
How is this documentary so bad at being accurate? I mean, inaccuracy is annoying in dinosaur movies but it usually doesn’t necessarily ruin them, but a documentary’s purpose is literally to be as accurate as possible.
Because It's History Channel. The same channel whose make "documentaries" about ancient aliens
I was seeing your videos all day, very educational. I love dinosaurs since I was 3 years old, now I have 25. I saw this TV show when i was a kid, i know that it's very inaccurate but i still enjoy it very much.
I'm curious, you are just a fan of dinosaurs or you have some estudies about it? And were you get all this information? I had troubles to find good sites in the internet to read about dinosaurs
He includes sources on the descriptions of all of his videos.
@@batspidey7611 yes, I saw that after i send that comment 😂 but thanks anyway
No prob.
Allosaurus... sorry I mean, Saurophaganax has never seen such bulls⬛ before
18:34 I mean- i understand your comment (the neck is basically the universal weak point of all animals) but looking at those plates, could you blame the cerato for biting on the abdomen instead? Because for me at least, biting on those plates on the stego's neck would be like biting vertically on a hard af dorito
So ceratosaurus is clever girl. 😊
More like “clever boy” because the Ceratosaurus in this fight is male.
Is it true that people once believed that Stegosaurus had two brains?
That is a myth at this point. The “second brain” is called the sacrum and it’s believed to be used to store glycogen.
Imagine that though. Having two brains
I had to wait for midnight for this?
“Jurassic Park has a more accurate Ceratosaurus.”
What’s wrong with the Jurassic Park Ceratosaurus? Just curious
yes
Oversized, horn is wrong, and bulit
The head is great , the colour is wrong and the size , they were not than large to others
@@willianramos5650 the head is anything but great
It looks like a T rex with a horn
It is actually
Because they used the t rex model's head
@@willianramos5650 how is the color wrong?
We don't know its color
18:46 Of course Ceratosaurus didn't bite the juvenile Stegosaurus neck, he can't just bite through those plates, it would be like trying to eat a Dorito vertically
Be happy that they didn’t do this episode with La Brea megafauna.
11:33 HE MADE A SANDWICH REFERENCE BOYS!!!
6:24 Despite saying the Ceratosaurus is too tall, the dimensions themselves actually look accurate. JFC just used an incorrect number for the height.
Now I'm starting to think that both the camarasaurus and allosaurus it crushed are idiots since the camarasaur could just move its hands away from the mud when they got freed
Would mating be an exception for macronarians and titanosaurs not being able to rear up?
Turns out I was wrong about them not being able to rear up anyway.
Do you know that male Stegosaurus may have had rounded plates while the females may have had pointed plates?
I recall hearing that Stegosaurus could be sexually dimorphic, but I couldn't remember which was which.
@@PaleoNerd1905 i think that the male is mostly represented with rounded plates, but i don't see the real purpose of this sexual dimorphism
Are you sure it’s not the other way around? It doesn’t sound right to me
Don't worry. I have a hard time believing that as well.
Yes the C2 and C3 to be exact
I just enjoyed JFC for the fun of it. Dinosaurs fighting has always been such a fun thing to watch. I was a kid at the time too so I loved it. Accuracy wise, well I can tell by your video you already know and do not like it lmao.
Lions and hyenas hate eachother and will take any opportunity, where (and i cannot stress this enough) there is little risk to themselves to kill the other. I can see a similar thing happening with morrison therapods. Morrison, like modern Africa wasn't a battle zone of waring dinos, but it wasn't a peaceful place where therapods lived side by side in harmony. Ceratosaurus unique amoung morrison therapods had a more flexible tail(for what its worth) (perhaps it lived in more forested environments where it could use its anatomy to stay out of the way of larger therapods )We find allos in large numbers, perhaps forming loose groups qnd gangs, which seems like a legitimate strategy to not end up on the bigger torvosaurus or saurophaginax's dinner plate.
Is there any major differences between Saurophaganax and Allosaurus other than size and rarity?
not really, in fact people think Saurophaganax is allosaurus, just a different species
This series makes the dinosaurs seem dumber than a stick
I pretty sure the juvenile stegosaurus wouldn’t be enough to feed the three so that probably why the saurophgenax I spelled that horrible went to attack a adult
How are these guys supposed to be smarter than Ceratosaurus again?
22:34 Alright not gonna lie, when I first heard him say the Allosaurus made a wise decision to abandon the dino carcasses and attack the Camarasaurus I was like "Yeah wise decision my ass". I said that last word with my mouth closed because I keep forgetting if I am or am not allowed to say it, but last time I checked I was allowed to say it. I'm not sure how anyone else could handle it better though
22:36 that is waise decision in dumurrasic
"There are two completely harmless corpses right here" actually, there are three now. dont forget the now dead Allosauraus/Saurophaganax
Most of these dino designs look like my drawings when i was 5-10
Allosaurus had never seen such bull shit before
hahaha this is not a fight this is a total chaos
Do you agree on allosaurus being called "lion of the jurassic"
I generally don't dislike dinosaur nicknames unless they're inaccurate or misinformative. The "lion of the jurassic" is pretty fitting for Allosaurus, and I doubt anyone would take it literally and think that Allosaurus is a lion, so as far as I'm concerned.
What about torvosaurus or saurophaganax
They're like the slightly biggerlions.
Ceratosaurus is the hyena while Torvosaurus is the leopard.
I like it but there's no evidence of allosaurus living or hunting in groups. Perhaps they came together during seasonal migration like those daspletosaurus in planet dinosaur did
I think the creators want to make the show be eductive but want to portray dinosaurs as monsters
As interesting this is, damn that music is annoying. WWD works because it didn't play for 30 freaking minutes
Hey man, u said the c.lentus was 30 - 40 tones. Surely it was a small mistake but I’ll leave it here anyways
I'm American, so whenever I say tons, I mean US tons.
Paleo Nerd I know I’m saying that c. Lentus is overweight in the video it should be around 18,000kg
@@alcyon7536 Happen to have a source for that? I admit that 30-40 tons is oversized, but the smallest I've seen for lentus is 25 US tons, so I'm curious about where you got that information from. It could prove useful for future videos.
@@alcyon7536
For some reason when you said overweight I thought somehow Paleo Nerd had a pet camarasaurus and overfed the damn thing. My brain is weird.
@@jamillatorres7226 bruh
Midnight?
Jurassic fight club: allosaurus you taste so good!!
blleeding rhino or tied shoes elephant i think more important question is you call this wise!?
Very well put together video, I still like Jurassic Fight Club tho because of just how backshit insane it is.
You like it just because of how bad it is?
Yeah I guess lol
Understandable. I laugh at this show just because of how ridiculous it is.
I like the show because of how stupid it's carnivores are lmfao. 🤣🤣
As a kid I like jfc but looking back yea it’s sucks It’s not the best at all and when I heard is that dinosaur George said that there is going to be season to couple of years back if they’re doing season two they got to do it right
Ryan Pendzik Dude, it’s been over 10 years, I wouldn’t bet on a Season 2.
I know but that’s what dg said then again he said that years ago One of his Q&A’s on RUclips
@@tyrannotherium7873 I think he was talking about a couple of additional episodes that didn't get filmed, one of which was going to focus on the iconic skeleton of the "Fighting Dinosaurs": Velociraptor and Protoceratops.
@@kevinnorwood8782 The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs and Dinosaur Planet have both depicted that exact discovery much better than JFC would have. TBH the only way I would want a JFC Season 2 is if they learned from their mistakes in Season 1 and fired everyone who made it so awesomebro and actually make it good and accurate. That's the only way I could be excited for a Season 2.
That Stegosaurus is bigender. Don't disrespect our community. (Obvious sarcasm)
18:40 i think ceratosaurus attacked in that area of the juvenile beacuse the head is an too small part of the stegosaurus to the ceratosaurus feast on for alot of time
I think the ballot of big Al was better than that episod
17:54 yes it would help because there are real life animals that have feet that work that way: Snow leopards and lynxes.
Leopards and lynxes probably didn't have to deal with sticky mud or tar. The La Brea tar pits for example have all kinds of animals from giant mammals to small birds that got stuck, no matter how splayed their toes were. The splayed toes of theropods are really like those of modern birds (a comparison that even this show made), and yet birds have been found to become victims of predator traps much like these.
damn, JFC was trying to copy Saw
Stegosaurus did not use its plates for defensive purposes they were to fragile and were probably use for mating purposes or to make the animal look bigger and could have been sexually dimorphic where females had smaller lower plates while males had the bigger taller plates because if the plates were use in defense they would collapse.
Dinosaurus Rex he said that
Stegosaurs also couldn't push blood in their plates because the stegosauroid hesperosaurus a early relative was found with well preserved plates wich were not covered in skin wich would made them unavailable to do that
@@altithoraxperotorum5133 they were probably always brightly colored anyway
Yea its inaccurate but I enjoyed watching this show when I was a kid I think anyone who knows anything about dinosaurs or anything about animal behavior would know that its inaccurate but honestly I do wish that the history Chanel discovery or animal planet or Nat geo would air something like this just more accurate infact I would be happy with anything about dinosaurs or animals instead of the dog shit that they air right now
2:10 what the FUCK is that human, its arms are too big! it doesn't even look like an australopethicus
I agree that camarasaurus can’t rear up because there Macronarians I never thought about until now when I look theses guys and it saids only diplodocus or apatosaurus but then Macronarians don’t and also
Thanosasurus : you should you….. you should should… you.. you should gone for the head
Thor Al: no!!!!
Thor Al: ☠️ by stegosaurus spike tail if I’m wrong
why would there be foul language used. Did DINOSAURS talk? REALLY?
Am I the only one who finds it kinda weird that Saurophaganax is only ever portrayed as an Allosaurus on steroids? Seriously, it's as if God took one of his creations (Allosaurus) and decided to press "upgrade" and Saurophaganax was the result. I'm aware of the fact that Saurophaganax was indeed a large relative of Allosaurus, or maybe even Allosaurus itself, but I'd kinda like to see it portrayed differently for once. Like, it doesn't have to be just an Allosaurus, but "BIG". Make it more interesting, do something cool with it. Give it different head ornamantations, speculate a little bit...
Well, it might actually be a basal carcharodontosaur...
@@PaleoNerd1905 and that would mean that it'd look significantly different from an Allosaurus?
@Dinoboi2001
BALLAD OF THICC AL
Its literally called lord of the lizard eaters
So nobody cares about the brac being to front heavy?
THANK YOU!!! PALEO NERD!
Honestly I enjoy Jurassic Fight Club I like That Old Series From History Channel and I Like The Designs Of The Creatures From Jurassic Fight Club to be honest.
Luis Rivera Same here, man. It may not be the most accurate Dinosaur documentary ever created, but it's still a definite guilty pleasure of mine. And I liked a lot of the creatures' designs as well.
This show is Jurassic Park 2.0
Allosaurus fragillimus got to 10 metres
this is some movie director's wet dream with no real value for anyone!
This is my opinion there is no prehistoric and modern terrasterial predator that can walk on predator trap because if predator can walk on it then it called predator trap for what?! Right? Do you think like me paleo nerd
Sauropophaganax name meaning"sauropod hunter" for me this dinosaur species is super cool dinosaur name whoa! I sound like you paleo nerd(even though saurophaganax is not the only carnivorous dinosaur that can bring down a sauropod)
The Allosaurus/Saurophaganax are idiots lmao.
By 3/4 of a tone you mean 750 kilos.
31:16 YEAH!, TAKE THAT!!!!!!!😋😛😝😜