Could Intoxicated Man Have Fallen Over Staircase Rail Without Being Pushed?
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I understand what the mom is saying. But if you’re intoxicated, literally anything is possible.
yes, 🌈 all things are possible through inebriated-imagination. 🤗
I mostly agree to the point of saying "almost" anything is possible. The demonstration shows there is a distinct possibility that he did in fact stumble over that low railing. My heart goes out to the young man, his mother and his girlfriend. Such a tragic, and avoidable death. RIP young man.
In India Something similar happened,
In 2017
an 18 y/o mysteriously died on his birthday in a public place, market probably, and media was throwing a lot of speculations, they were telling it was most probably murder
His family especially his sister, started a whole movement to expose the murderer of her brother named Abesh.
Around few weeks after investigation, a CCTV footage was released of Abesh being intoxicated and he had very poor sense of balance, and he was seen descending down stairs, but the CCTV failed to capture all of the stairs.
So the renewed story was;
Abesh was drunk on his birthday with his friends and got parted, he lost balance and fell down the stairs and hit his head and died
His sister kept saying "Some things are mysterious, and we should not speculate so early we need more investigation"
Intoxicated people strangely....bodies are different from sober people...not sure how to explain ...
@@spec_wasted do you know what his sister meant when she kept saying “some things are mysterious”? it seems like an occam’s razor type of situation, and if the authorities did an autopsy on abeesh, they would be able to determine his cause of death with near-certainty. it sounds like his sister was in denial, RIP to him and i hope his family is doing okay
The mother doesn't seem to be looking for the truth. She seems to be looking for something or someone to blame and cannot, or will not, believe that her son may have made a fatal mistake.
I can’t hardly blame her, though. Grief does things to people.
That mother is terrible
I'm not a racist person at all but black people tend to blame people even if no one was at fault for their relatives death
@@owenparish1793 he ern’t ment ta hert nerbody
@@owenparish1793 dude shut up, do you know all the black people of the world?
I’ve seen drunk ppl literally fall over their own feet.
i dont drink and still.fall over my feet haha
@@ql688 me too, every single day lmaooo adhd be like
I could of definitely have that happen even if I was sober
Lmao me
Yep u get clumsy people
Lady, your son was drunk and fell. Leave this poor girl alone.
That wig gotta go ,but I don’t think she did it she’s grieving he was intoxicated! Drunk people fall over for literally no reason much more on a staircase with bad railing . It’s unfortunate what happened but they need to face the music
I was also going to post about the wig. It's distracting!! It's 10cm higher than it should be. And yeah drunk people get into unbelieveable situations.
@Mimisavenue and @ Romy Damons - Wonder whether people also think that Dolly Parton's wigs should go?
@@evelyntokamp1011 girl please. dolly’s net worth is over half a billion dollars, she could get natural looking wigs if she wanted to. she’s said many times that she likes to keep her wigs teased to the max, and that women country/gospel singers like herself love to have big hair. dolly WANTS to look flashy and over the top, her look is based off of a trashy, trampy woman that she idolized as a child. your comparison makes no sense.
@@streambugsy she’s rich af and her wigs still look a mess. That makes it worse.
@@akcj1 i mean you’re not wrong lmao, but i just meant that the trashy type wigs are more or less dolly’s style
From a drunk person standpoint if you felt like you were going to fall back so you took a step backwards but you didn't remove your hand from the forward/farther up position you would pull yourself right over the railing. I have done almost that exact situation and fell over a railing while drunk.
I'm really sorry for the mother, but in these cases where alcohol, imparement, a fight and badly followed constructions standards, logic consequence as she said are just less probable than what the girl described as truth
Every things possible when your intoxicated.
Again this next clip further proves what im saying, she doesn't care about justice, she just so desperately wants someone to blame it on. She started crying once he suggested it's possible she didn't push him.
Exactly
When you're drunk you're all over the place. Wake up.
In India Something similar happened,
In 2017
an 18 y/o mysteriously died on his birthday in a public place, market probably, and media was throwing a lot of speculations, they were telling it was most probably murder
His family especially his sister, started a whole movement to expose the murderer of her brother named Abesh.
Around few weeks after investigation, a CCTV footage was released of Abesh being intoxicated and he had very poor sense of balance, and he was seen descending down stairs, but the CCTV failed to capture all of the stairs.
So the renewed story was;
Abesh was drunk on his birthday with his friends and got parted, he lost balance and fell down the stairs and hit his head and died
His sister kept saying "Some things are mysterious, and we should not speculate so early we need more investigation"
He could've stepped back and began to fall backwards but caught the railing with his hand. The inertia from his weight would cause him to go towards the railing and over
You know I'm somewhat a Physicist myself
Exactly what I was thinking. It's sad she cant or wont allow herself to see that.
@@spec_wasted with peace and love, you give off “i could get good grades if i wanted to” energy
I’m thinking he started falling down the stairs and then leaned his weight towards the rail instinctually to stop himself from falling
Inertia !! Lmao I have not heard that word in forever!
It kinda goes back to the sobriety when drunk; movements wobbling/stumble/trip up on own at times, not exactly walking straight, your brain all over the place, mixed emotions on certain things and loopy/blurred vision.
Someone in the audience passed out 😂 1:32
LMAOOOO i didnt even notice
Kmsl they were taking to long so she got sleepy
Lmao iv tumbled alot drunk lol and I can say this is possible
Anything is possible..😐
I've never been drunk in my life. I've been around a lot of drunken people, and I'm with you. It's definitely possible!
I've been drunk and fell off many barstools, nobody blamed the bartender. For those thinking the girlfriend won't take a polygraph is proof she is guilty, that's the same logic applied to people who exercise their right to counsel or do not give consent to searches and it's wrong. I have taken more than a few (work related) polygraphs, with much less at stake and was found to have lied when in fact I had not. There's a reason polygraphs are inadmissible in court... their results are not reliable.
I have known of a few people to fail polygraphs despite several credible eyewitness statements giving them very credible alibis, some with physical evidence proving their presence elsewhere. In one case, excellent video proved the suspect was where he stated he was at the time of the incident, about 1,500 miles away in another country.
I’ve been drunk going up stairs and I’ve stepped back several times . There is a reason it not unheard of. How many movies and videos of people drunk do we see where people can’t even move forward or know what’s going on. I’ve step back when only wanted to lean and thank goodness I’ve caught myself. One time I was so drunk at the bar the chair and myself went straight down .
That girl is suffering because she is in limbo. That mother would never forgive her anyways and that’s a shame. Hopefully she and the mother can come to terms.
Sorry I wanted to ask if maybe English is not your first languages? Because most of what you wrote doesn't make sense. So I really don't know what you wanted to say
They dont need to come to terms. It is rather insulting to be accused to begin with. Id stay far away and let it work itself out. And If the mom begins to harrass or slander, Id march straight to grandpa and ask to file a suit easy.
I’d block the mother and never speak to the family again. What a heartbreaking situation
poor girl she had to witness her bf die and now has to go through this sick accusations
If you’re drunk you can barely stand up on flat ground, so it’s definitely possible that he fell over that railing
The moms hair-hat is a no for me
she just threw a wig on
Hair Hat lmao 🤣
The important thing is that is not a no no for her. I bet there are many things about you that would be a no for her and maaaany others
@@wioi is that you in the video lmao
@@wioi most of the world would agree that wig is a no no for ANYONE who's not wearing a powdered version for old British Parliament 😂
I love how dr Phil just has tissues for the people that come
i believe it. I sprain my ankle on a step in a away that didnt even seem possible. But a whole lot of things can happen all at once
I feel horrible for the mother but putting the blame on this girl isn’t going to fix anything whatsoever. She admits she was there and admits all that happened but he was intoxicated and anything could’ve happened
the way dr. phil calmly made two people
watch a reenactment of how their loved one died including a body double and replicas, as well as asking for input from the person who was there to witness it, is honestly kinda gross
It's not.
The mother is having a hard time moving on from her sons death which is 100% understandable. He’s trying to give her _some_ sort of closure in showing her how it was possible for him to fall the way he did. She’s the one who needs help with his death. He’s showing her how it could’ve happened
And since the girlfriend isn’t going to take a poly (which is also understandable) they’re trying to show the mom what happened to help her have a little closure. I think the mom will never believe her son died by accident
I don't think it's gross. Dr. Phil wanted to demonstrate this, because the mother thinks her son's girlfriend pushed him over and she doesn't think there's any other possible scenario. Dr. Phil points out that there are a lot of things we don't know, and probably will never know about what happened specifically.
Does anyone know if the truth ever came out?
I personally dont think this girl killed him. To me it appears she really loved him.
Agreed 🙌
She loved him yet was abusive during their relationship? Yeah makes sense 🤣
The mother is pointing fingers with no evidence. I understand what she’s going through but we all go through terrible losses it doesn’t give her a right to do that!
That girl was abusive to the guy. She hit him constantly. She didn't love him. Don't minimise physical assault inflicted by women on men. Such girls deserve permanent residence at jail.
@@puglover8595 And how do you know that?? Don't assume what you don't know
I just think this is a mother who loved her son like he was her whole world. Shes hurt. Shes angry. Shes lost. Im not sure a polygraph test either way or even a criminal conviction either way would allow her to get passed it.
The mother can’t bring her son back so she needs someone else to blame. Just my opinion.
Yes
In India Something similar happened,
In 2017
an 18 y/o mysteriously died on his birthday in a public place, market probably, and media was throwing a lot of speculations, they were telling it was most probably murder
His family especially his sister, started a whole movement to expose the murderer of her brother named Abesh.
Around few weeks after investigation, a CCTV footage was released of Abesh being intoxicated and he had very poor sense of balance, and he was seen descending down stairs, but the CCTV failed to capture all of the stairs.
So the renewed story was;
Abesh was drunk on his birthday with his friends and got parted, he lost balance and fell down the stairs and hit his head and died
His sister kept saying "Some things are mysterious, and we should not speculate so early we need more investigation"
1:34 I think that woman is sleeping🤣🤣🤣
she just hates the girlfriend for being..."different" and doesn't want to believe anything else
She’s pointing fingers without real evidence. She should learn to grieve anther way
She did it!
the moms wig i cantttt
Anything could happen being drunk but to not take a polygraph shows someone hiding something
Mom has it in her head that she killed him. There’s no point in going any further.
She’s acting like a you know what
it makes perfect sense to me, mom just doesnt want to accept that her child died from nothing but a pointless accident, and needs to feel like she can blame someone and that someone is an innocent girl
I can't imagine what the mother is going through. But when people are drunk, bad things can happen like falling over a railing. He was 5'10", so he had decent height compared to a short railing. It seems like the mother just wants to blame the young girl. Unfortunately, with no other witnesses there, we can't say for sure what happened. Innocent, until proven guilty.
Many people have died while intoxicated. Many college students have even frozen to death from passing out outside in the cold. Really anything can happen.
Feel bad for her but she's ignorant of truth and just wants somebody to be guilty
That mother is just looking for someone to blame. She can't admit that her child could have made a fatal mistake...I get that but that doesn't give you an excuse to hurt others.
I mean it makes sense when your drunk it’s so easy and even at a short distance you fall back boo on your neck and it’s very likely that it could be the case/sum similar, definitely not unbelievable if you’ve ever been drunk before.
The young man’s mother was not present when he fell. She doesn’t know what happened. Seems she didn’t like her son dating a pretty white girl. That’s what I see the problem is. White girl killed black man. That’s what this mother just wants to see.
The mom is assuming she did it without any real evidence.. also is their an update on this story?
Mother wants to blame someone. Period.
Exactly
That mother is terrible
I’ve fallen over from someone tapping my shoulder
He was drunk! He had bad balance
This woman’s just looking for someone to blame 🙄
Exactly
I’ve seen a lot of drunk ppl fall over rails on videos. Don’t get so drunk that you don’t have control over your actions
The boyfriend was drunk so he probably fell because he was drunk 😐
@Hai Hai drunk people fall off stairs all the time so
I can SEE how easily that man could fall over.....sad, but true. A male is pretty "top heavy" as well. Broad shoulders - strong. The young guy was intoxicated as well. Did he slippery undersole shoes? Glad you did that Dr Phil.
He was drunk he def could have stepped back and fell over. I feel bad the mom lost her son but blaming and guilt pushing on this girl is just to blame anyone BUT her son
How in heaven are there only 5 comments and 4.5 millions views
They just opened them
@@GlyxyPlayz ya i just figured
Yeah I’m glad they finally opened up the comments during the pandemic but I understand why they initially disabled them though. These are real people going through a real issues. I’m sure the majority of the guests didn’t want to be judged by the public. Look how many comments on this lady’s wig alone on here
I have seen a drunk person trip over their own foot. That railing is very short and I believe he fell. His mother just doesn’t want to believe it.
She is way to descriptive on how, where, and what happened with his feet on the stairs.
Also, watch how fast her foot starts going back & forth when Dr. Phil stands up to start this whole "presentation". I'm inclined to believe he lost his footing & stepped back because she did indeed push him in anger.
I am thinking it doesn’t make sense to you because you don’t want to believe it I think you want to believe something else. My opinion.
My best friend in highschool stood on my friends bumper and laid on the hood of the truck. Truck was stopped. When he went to get off he lost his footing and fell backwards and hit his head at just the right force and just the right spot cause from that moment forward he never woke up or spoke another word. Rushed to hospital. Surgery. No brain activity still. Few days later the plug was pulled. Our brains are magnificent but fragile. But she needs to take the polygraph for the mother, regardless of outcomes of what each thinks happened. She lost her boy. She needs to know. I hope she has eventually taken it to clear her name
There is no benefit for the girl to take the test. 1. The test is NOT reliable. 2. The mother won't accept the result if she passes. She has her mind made up so the girl CAN'T prove her innocence in the mother's eyes. There is literally ZERO benefit if she was to take the test.
@@brucesmith9092 Yeah man, Polygraph tests are not as good as if you get a dose of the truth serum, it forces you speak the truth by inhibiting your imagination part of the brain
I don't know the exact name but it Exists and high dosages could easily kill you
A polygraph measures stress levels, not truth. There's no way anyone will find closure from a polygraph. The poor woman needs to accept her son's death, grieve and move on. That girl needs to prove nothing.
I've been drunk and have fallen all on my own, and didn't need any help. When I was younger I was at tiger stadium in Detroit and I was drunk and I tripped over my own foot and fell 15 rows down and had nobody to blame but myself.
It doesn't make sense to ME how she's blaming that poor girl after seeing such a tragic thing to the love of her life.... Your son made a fatal mistake and its not his fault nor her fault no body's fault hence the word ACCIDENTAL DEATH.
I agree. You would fall down the stairs
i not a professional about body language but that girls leg was shaking you can see in the beginning. thats a sign of some fear of some sort
If he holded the railing with his right hand for not falling backwards down the steps, that would make him fall off sideways unfortunately.
Fell over a staircase and die......strange ..it's not even a high staircase ....did he fall on a sharp instrument that went thriught his heart or main artery ? ..wonder wonder
If he fell over and landed on his head, it's really not that hard to break your neck honestly. Human boodies can be surprisingly fragile, sadly.
Its called hitting your head. Its not hard to comprehend
I do feel so bad for the mama. I have one son and I totally get it!
This is obviously very sad, but is anyone wondering how uncomfortable the guest felt when Dr. Phil put his hands on this guy's hips and basically held him as he leaned back? 😳🤦♀️
Don't do a single thing against your lawyer's strong advice. She doesn't want closuer. She wants you to do something insinuating because right now she can't "pin it against you" and she said that.
If I could get hit by a parked car skate boarding a dude could fall down the stairs intoxicated.
It is definitely possible! Look how low the railing is on his body, it’s not catching him it’s almost hindering him more. If he was shorter he might not have fell. When you’re drunk you don’t have the control you do when sober, he probably lost his balance and then gravity took over.
That’s so easy for a drunk person to fall over those rails. That lady needs to quit blaming that poor girl. I have a friend that fell over a rail and died the same way 25 years ago.
If he was shorter he wouldn't have fallen over the rail.
All I know is there’s no way that’s how Trevor Moore died
Back when I used to drink to excess, I took my share of falls.
Falls I've never taken sober.
Normally, I'm as graceful as a cat.
Get a fifth of Boubon in me, things change, and never for the better.
I have the scars to prove it.
I’ve seen ppl drunk before fall like this, or very close to this off porches
The model is so handsome.
That boy didn't weigh 185. At 5"10 he's maybe 160
If he intoxicated he could have gone side ways that’s not impossible
If she has put her hands on him in the past sober or not that could happen again
That’s not impossible especially if both are drunk and mad he either fell or she’s a murder.
If your intoxicated. Thats certainly possible. Particularly once the pendulum tips. Getting it back when it feels like a sac of potatoes. Is tough. Yea. Another thing i would site is how many drunks havnt you seen fall? Doesnt matter! Thats why the term “fallen drunk” exists. RIP i feel sorry for this mother.
Maybe he fell backwards, and didn’t realise he was going over the side. He may was thought he was just falling down the stairs.
You will never make her happy
It really don’t help her look that she was angry and yelling, and I know it’s hard for her to grieve when she’s being accused of murder so explains why she still looks angry but not a drop of a tear, the mom barely broke in the end after the reenactment, And she did refuse the polygraph that seems like the best way to clear her name
Momma with the big wig just said rather she passed or fail the lie detector test that she would still blame her & they would never be cool so what’s the point. She should’ve been talking more to son about not getting drunk & not letting young unwed ppl live under your roof etc
I fell down drunk on a cactus 🌵 once. It hurt.
Tbh idk who to believe other than the mother or the daughter
Im on the mother’s side tho
I don’t believe the girl did it I really don’t. A comment below said it best. The mother doesn’t seem to be looking for answers she seems to be looking for someone to blame. Just because the girlfriend was present doesn’t mean she killed him. There’s 0 evidence that she killed this guy. He was intoxicated and that makes perfect sense
Mother is blinded by the wig I think
I saw these same people in Steve wilko
Is her wig sitting on top of her head??
From your picture I can tell that you also wear a wig... And yours also sits on the top of your head, so where is her wig supposed to sit? Underneath her head?? 🤦
*Also every single negative comment here about that womans wig came only from black women.. doesn't surprise me at all because that's what I always see from black women, putting down other women, White and black women!!! That's kinda disgusting and a real shame!* 🤦👎😠😡🤬😤💩
She guilty as charged. Ive been a witness to some of their fights and she was always the aggressor. But my thing is if she really loved my cousin she would of did everything in her power to prove her innocence but right after filming this her and her sister Miranda both took off and are now escorts
And if she took a polygraph and it came back as non deceptive, I have a feeling your family would still put all the blame on her since you just don’t like her. Unfortunately, bad accidents happen when alcohol is involved. I am so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine your pain, but sometimes grief makes you want to blame someone so you’d have misplaced closure. I’m just saying polygraphs are inadmissible in court because they are only 90% accurate. If I were her I wouldn’t take one either. It can be a scary thing when someone is innocent and the polygraph comes back saying you’re guilty
BS story lol “they’re now escorts” ? Yeah and you and your auntie with the bad wig need to get a better job to pay for better wig and raise children better to not be so drunk and fall off balcony’s
@@melaniemelanin That's so insensitive people get drunk that's just life but I do agree that they needa give her a break and stop harassing her about it til they have actual evidence she did it.
This is so possible she just mad. That girls is innocent
how do you know shes innocent?...
I don't know what happened here, but I was drunk once and every darn time I took 3 steps forward; I swear me body made me stumble backwards 5 steps. I was like da*n I'm fu*cked up!🤷♀️
where those comment
That wig was a choice.
A sad story. But on a lighter note hi Matt! How you doin😂
I don’t know I think she killed him. Her sister already told us the truth & now she’s trying to cover for her. I mean when you’re drunk anything is possible because I’ve seen people trip over their own feet. But her sister messed up telling his mother that because now it’s going to hard for her to actual believe her. Now I don’t think her taking a polygraph will help because most test aren’t always accurate. But I feel like she had to push him.
he didnt fall far must have hit his head pretty hard
If i was intoxicated and step back that way i would bend my knees and rest my armpit at the railing, and if i was being pushed, i wouldn't be able to react the same way, and i would fell over
Exactly.
It's ok... she still pretty.
I think maybe to drunk man fell in stair railing .
Who is coughing throughout this whole video
It isn’t heig”th”. It is pronounced height, Phil.
No. Some people pronounce it the way he did. That’s accurate too
My 1st year trig professor pronounced it that way too. Same as when Dr. Phil says why as Hwhy. People pronounce things differently. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong
She pushed him. He just so happened he fell over.
Something about her body language beginning at 45 seconds that gave me a terrible gut feeling. It's the look criminals get right before you open the evidence folder.
If it in fact happened as she says, I'd be confident that it would be recreated in front of me. She does not appear confident.
It's not only possible but probable that a young girl, feeling true love and passion for the first time was furious at a boyfriend who doesn't show or answer his phone.
Showing up drunk would have heightened her fears that he was unfaithful.
She would have pushed him NOT SUSPECTING it would have led to his death. But he was drunk with no balance.
Terrible accident. I do however believe she is lying...