Why Teen Refuses To Take A Polygraph Exam Following Boyfriend’s Fatal Fall
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2016
- A 19-year-old says she is not responsible for her boyfriend falling over the staircase railing of a three-story apartment building. So why is she refusing to take a polygraph exam?
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there is no scientific consensus for the validity of polygraphs, its like going to a witch doctor, you might as well hold a seance and ask the spirits
Hi Dr. Phil
@@quonomonna8126 and is phil a dr?
why do you want everyone to call you "dr"?
As someone who can walk a mile I'm the mothers shoes, I still side with the girl. I wouldn't take one.
She’s damned if she does, and damned if she doesn’t.
There a good reason, why polygraph tests are not admissible in a court of law, so it is simply against her best interests, to take the test, and doing so would do absolutely nothing for the mother, her son is gone and she wants to assign blame, which is understandable.
I wouldn't take one either at this point in the game......With Age Comes Wisdom on her Grandfather's part.
Yeah that mother is a horrible person
Exactly 💯
Yeah, that Mom is just looking for a reason to blame her. Mom will always see her as guilty.
I don't think I would ever take one regardless of whether I was innocent or not. I have anxiety too and they're sooo prone to false positives I wouldn't want to risk it...
They're not admissible in a court of law anyways so theres really no reason to ever take one
I have anxiety disorder and i wouldn't take it either. Think certain issues can trigger overdrive emotions, very sensitive if it's that sensitive for certain people. I can understand what the girlfriend is getting at 'even if she were too, even if though passed; could be looked into further'. Then again, it's unknown if she meant it or not as far as intent.
same here, i have anxiety and a situation like a polygraph would trigger it even if i was innocent. it's a little like feeling guilty or nervous around a cop even when you've done absolutely nothing, i wouldn't risk a false positive
polygraphs are used to determine if ur lying or not the method they use is obscured but in most cases it works in sum it doesn’t
I wouldn't either. If it can't be used in court why do they even have them?
“We will never be cool no matter what” so in other words even if she takes the test and she passes she still won’t believe her? I wouldn’t take it either if that’s how it is
Really. Why bother?
thats not what she meant, she said that even if it was proven that the girl didn't push him the mother would still hold her PARTIALLY responsible see dr phill at 1:46
No, listening is key. She wants to know if she truly did not push/nudge/touch him or it was just pure argument and he tripped. For her own peace, she wants to know the difference.
As for not being cool ever, I get that. She VERBALLY STATES that if it comes to light that the gf didn’t put any hands on her then fine, she’ll let that part go. But they can’t be cool because it takes two people to argue. If the gf had just let in him go, taken the argument inside (because why would you wanna be yelling at your partner in public looking crazy) all of this could’ve been avoided.
Maybe a different outcome would or would’ve have happened. This mother is grieving and can’t accept that accidents happen so she’s trying to grasp at every minute detail.
This gf needs to move states and move on because until that mother gets something, no one will be at peace in her presence.
I don’t agree with that lady. I feel she’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish they had an update
What a nasty lady
The grandfather should have advised STAY OFF SHOWS , KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED, STAY AWAY FROM HIS FAMILY.
Yes. His family seems very toxic
@@KingJackson11355 why did she even go to the show?
What disturb me the most is the constant pushing and guilt tripping of the mother on a young adult, saying what her son would have wanted. She NEEDS her to be guilty so badly. I really hope the mother got a lot of help because she needed it
fr
Because she can then hate which is easier then pain.
If the genders were reversed, would you say the same?
@@gabemarcus7926 considering the whole episode, I'd say yes, but you're right, there are many situations where if the roles were reversed the case would have ended differently
She’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish they had an update
I'm with the teenage girl on this issue. In our criminal justice system, a person does not have to prove their innocence. It is up to her accusers to prove that she is guilty. That is the foundation of our rights.
Very very good point.
It’s true. Lately it does seem like we live in a society of “guilty until proven innocent”. Also polygraphs measure heart rate and I feel like if you get asked “did you kill someone” your heart rate is going to go up either way. Like, anxiety? Idk it doesn’t seem fair
Exactly
She doesn't have to prove her innocence. It's the job of a district attorney or law enforcement to collect enough evidence to charge her with a crime. Then, a jury & judge must be convinced of her guilt. If we start expecting suspects to prove their innocence, then anyone could accuse anyone else of anything with no evidence.
I also don't like the language the mother is using, she is being very manipulative in my opinion. Saying things like "you'd think if you cared so much you would do it for me". The girl clearly isn't comfortable doing it, respect snd care run both ways.
*The mother said that she WOULDN'T ACCEPT the results of the lie detector test if she passed.* Then WHY would the mother suggest that she should take the test? She will ONLY accept ONE outcome. Also, this means that there is ZERO benefit for the girl to take the test. Zero.
thats not what she said at all. she said that even if it was proven that the girl didn't push him the mother would still hold her PARTIALLY responsible see 1:46 2:03 and 2:24
@@corberus3119 And That’s better because ?
Even if she did pass a polygraph test, this mom would still resent her.
her son is dead and the girl caused a fight that could have contributed to his death, of course she won't like her
Honestly she’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish they had an update
Exactly. So what's the point?
Corberus her son caused his own death by being intoxicated and not sober minded
What a nasty lady
I'm just going to leave this here. I cannot imagine the grief and pain of a mother losing their child. I am certain that you would want answers and will do anything to get it. However in this case, I unfortunately have a feeling that no matter what the mother is told she will always hold resentment and blame this young woman.
Exactly. Plus polygraph should not be used as a reason to subside your grief. They are so unreliable
@@kai-janafarrar9984 says every liar ever
@@dylanclay2741 no bro it’s a fact
@@ssilverlink7117 it's a fact that every liar says that yes it is !
@@dylanclay2741 they're not admissible in court for a reason fool
I wouldn't take the test. The mother was contradicting herself the whole time she said I get it you wanna look out for yourself but than kept saying if you loved me you'd take the test for me. And she even said no matter what we wont be cool so why even bother taking the test if no matter what you'll feel salty towards her .
That's true, but you are thinking without the emotional distruction this mother is in. I would say the same as you, but when a person is going through such a big loss, they become very subjective, the thought process is so complicated so, on all that, when someone says they don't want to take the polygraph, no matter the reason, if she had these feelings of doubt in the first place it just makes things worse for her, but yeah, I don't know..maybe I'm wrong
She’s a nasty lady. We all go through losses in life but that doesn’t give her the right to act that way
Is DrPhil really letting that crazy woman emotionally blackmail that young girl? If you can’t work, go get counseling. You are in charge of you.
PERIOD, shes just lookin for someone to blame for it n not bein rational or reasonable; Ik her pain is severe but IDK how thats bein put up with
She’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish they had an update
Didn't she just say she couldn't move on because she will always think she contributed to her son's death?
She’s pointing fingers without real evidence. Even with what she’s going through I don’t agree with her. I wish their was an update
She contradicted herself about 4 times in one sentence
This mom is a trip. I don’t know if the girl did it or not but she’s like emotionally blackmailing her when she is straight out told her she won’t except her either way or believe her answer so why would the girl take the test? Are usually think they’re guilty if they refuse to take it but I’m on this girls side right now
@@hizgrase yeah I agree. I know what the mom is going through but if she didn’t do it it’s stupid of the mom not to accept her
Yeah she’s a nasty lady
That woman is gaslighting that poor young girl and trying to emotionally blackmail here into taking a test she will fail due to anxiety. The mother NEEDS her to be guilty to ease her grief, it cant be an accident for her
Yeah she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
I'm sorry but the mother and the aunt are convinced that she did it so they can find someone to blame. She is heartbroken. She wasnt allowed to grieve she wasnt allowed to mourn because people who were not there spread rumors during their grief. That mother wants to blame the person who loved him.
Did you watch the video? The mother said she was angry and abusive... she absolutely did it. It was an “accident” and she didn’t mean to kill him, sure. But she did it.
I dont care what race someone is never have never will. Not every single white person has an issue with someone who isn't white. I'm allowed to have my opinion without it being racially charged. If you cant think of another reason I'd have this opinion that's on you.
Yeah that lady is pointing fingers without real evidence
@@allimckoy6815 Ok let me pose a scenario for you.
Let's say there was a guy, who has previous history of domestic abuse on his partner. He was arguing with his GF one day, and as they were arguing she fell over the stairs and died. How likely would you say that he was guilty? 70%? 80%? 100%?
Now change the word "guy" and "his", with "girl" and "her", and you have the above episode. So, what makes this case different?
Oh right, because she is a cute little girl and it is logically impossible for cute little girls to push a big bad man like him to his death.
@@bowenfeng9750 It wouldn't be my job to assess that. And clearly there was no compelling evidence of it.
Polygraphs are always a terrible idea. They can’t help, but can hurt
I've always thought it was disgusting how this mother treated that girl. That isn't okay, using Malcolm's hypothetical wishes to emotionally manipulate that girl and pressure her and shame her. It's just wrong. I don't care if you're grieving. You don't take it out on other people like that. And the way she’s wearing her wig is ridiculous, I’m just going to say it.
Exactly. What if she is innocent. We all go through losses in life. That doesn’t give you a right to be a you know what!!
Being 100% innocent, I'd never take a polygraph. They're unreliable, inadmissible in court, & an inconclusive result will basically seen as a fail. She needs to let go of the anger and grieve properly.
Facts.
that wig was a choice.
it makes her look like a cone head 💀
They think it disguises them haha.
@@JeniDropDead girl shut up this was 5 years ago
It's a weave not a wig and it looks good
Bigwig
if the results of the test wont help her then why would she take it for her for no reason.
Whether mom believes or not her name is cleared thats why
Honestly she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
"if you love me or him you'd do something you're not comfortable with" dr Phil, you're gonna let that happen? really?
The mom says that she will never be “cool” with the girl. Why should the girl care about that? She will never have a connection with them again.
i get the mom is going through a lot of stuff and it’s hard in her but i personally feel like it is so toxic and manipulative to say if you don’t take it you’ve never loved me or my son. she’s hurting to.
girl i wouldnt want to take one either i have terrible anxiety and you could fail so easily
If it was her that was dead and the young man refused a polygraph, I doubt everyone would be as understanding to him.
True
Exactly it’s cuz she’s yt. Read more about this case a lot of people believe she did it,
THE POLYGRAPH IS PSEUDOSCIENCE
It's not pseudoscience lol. It's just not an exact, 100% accurate tool.
@@jaybayer3670 No, it's pseudoscience. All it shows are signs that may be associated with stress. Do you not understand that isn't the same thing as lying? There's a reason it's not admissible in court. It's so easy to get false results and ambiguous results, you may as well toss a coin. It's like the idea there's some magical "tell" in body language and microexpressions that makes it clear someone is lying - that's not how it works either.
@@JustAnotherBuckyLover you're confused. You're thinking of "lie detector". A polygraph is just a tool to obtain data. Now the science of the polygraph analysis to determine deceitfulness can be debated for sure. But a polygraph is not pseudoscience.
@@jaybayer3670 I am not in the least bit confused but thanks for demonstrating you can read my mind as well as a polygraph. LOL, You're splitting hairs about the polygraph and whether the fact that it measures actual physiological data makes it scientific. Yes, it reads physiological data. But suggesting that can interpret anything beyond that is pure pseudoscience and you know FULL well that's what a polygraph is about, nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure you're also fully aware that "polygraph" as in "I'll take a polygraph" is short for "a polygraph test" - which is purely meant in the context of the attempt to detect deceit. Your playing semantics is disingenuous.
There's a competition to polygraph, I just don't remember the name
What I don’t get is why the mother wants her to be guilty so bad? My mother loves my girlfriend and wouldn’t even think she was capable of that.
Your mom would probably turn on your girlfriend if she stupidly wanted someone to blame for your death.
But blaming people doesn’t solve anything.. sticking together helps unless you have proof on the other person
Because she was already abusing her son, it gave her even more of a reason to believe it was the girlfriend.
Because she doesn't trust her
Soooo "I want her to take the test so she (mom) can get over it and move on".... BS If the girl fails the test she will not be over it and will demand prosecution. Grandfather is right. Much like your Miranda rights; anything you say can and WILL be used AGAINST you. Tons of videos by detectives and FBI agents saying never talk to the police and ask for a lawyer.
@@johnlucas4884 No lawyer would tell their client to take a lie detector test especially if they might be guilty.
The mother says she just wants to know so she can move on and says that even if she passed she would still blame her for her son being gone. If she really just wants to know the truth from the lie detector with the girl should say is sign a paper that says all lawsuits and everything will be dropped no matter what the results are.
Whether she is guilty or not guilty she cannot be convicted unless she wants to confess and I think you're being disingenuous because if you are involved in a crime or accident and you knew it was your fault but they don't know that and they can't prove it that you would come forward and say no it was my fault.
I can imagine that the next issue is a civil case where the burden of proof isn't beyond a shadow of doubt.
But if she fails then she's a criminal
I can guarantee you if she took the test you wont move on.
Exactly
I agree. She wants to have an issue Right now. She said she won’t believe it either way so why should the girl take it
That lady is a piece of work. We all go through major losses in life but we have to move on. Hers is no worse
I don’t know why the audience is clapping for the Mom’s emotional manipulation. If they were in the girl’s shoes, they’d do the same thing as the girlfriend. The Mom is grieving, which I can understand, and I’m very sorry for her loss and her anguish. But it seems like she’s looking to just blame someone and not hold her dead son accountable for his behavior, which seems to be bordering on, or outright, harassment of the girlfriend. I think she needs grief counseling and therapy.
Because many of Dr. Phil’s shows turn into Jerry Springer shows is why the audience clapped!
I’m not taking a lie detector test, I’m not putting my life in the hands of faulty equipment or the interpretation of an alleged expert
The audience can stop clapping lmao
No
@@taurusking_1997 yes.
This mother is a monster with the constant guilt trips, you don’t have to prove ur innocence if you aren’t charged with something it just seems like the mother was mad with grief and looking for someone to blame
Every relationship involves arguments, it's not her fault that he died unless she really did do it on purpose.
It won’t be over with, you are grieving, you will find something else to blame her for. What the girlfriend does will never know satisfy a grieving mother.
I understand what the mother is going through but she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
This lady is a piece of work. We all go through major losses but we have to move on. Hers is no different
A teenager should not be forced and manipulated like this into a polygraph. Polygraphs are absolutely faulty and her grandpa is correct there is a ton of room for false implication there. It doesn’t mean she’s guilty when she refuses it means she’s smart.
How you fall side ways over a railing with out being push
That part
He was drunk dummy
Being drunk , trust me I felt in some ridiculous ways and the handle of the staircase was just way to low
Easily, lose footing because you’re intoxicated. You’re asking a pro because I’ve did it twice and thank god it wasn’t too far and I hit grass.
I am not saying I believe the gf but it is true that the polygraph can give false results. I read a report that stated a person can honestly reply no but they can feel guilty (i.e. if i didnt meet up with the person this incident would not have happened, i feel i am the reason this happened i think when i did this this what caused that incident). Any thoughts of trying to hold yourself accountable can be detected by polygraph making results false negative or inconclusive.
I have anxiety as well, and can see both sides of it. The real question is 'did she mean it', it's a matter of intent (gf seems really nice). In this case, yes it's unfortunate that it happened in front of the girlfriend (be traumatized for sure) and sure it was just an accident.
If I was asked to take a polygraph test I wouldn't cause I have anxiety, so even if I wasn't guilty they would think I was.
Not how they work. They ask unrelated questions to set a baseline so it would adjust for your anxiety. The people who get false positives are the types who blame themselves for everything and the types who get false negatives are the opposite.
She doesn’t need that girl to take a polygraph test. She wouldn’t accept the results, unless she failed, and that wouldn’t bring her son back. I hope she can learn to deal with her grief.
Seeing as lie detector tests are legally inadmissable (because they cannot reliably detect guilt or innocence), a good lawyer would advise not to take one in any and every circumstance.
It's a test that the law, scientists and the courts would ignore, but sadly the public are completely convinced by.
Dr Phil needs to stop doing these tests. They tell audiences nothing but are presented as informative.
First impressions are the girl is innocent
The whites in the comment section agree with you
@@StefanTheCannon whats race got to do with it? I can't tell if your being facetious
For me race has nothing to do with it. But I feel like that lady is pointing fingers at her without real evidence. I do wish they had an update
@@samadams2575 I agree with that
The mother will never move on and never forgive whatever the result so the girl is on a hiding to nothing.
Never incriminate yourself. Guilty or innocent
There is a huge problem if she is innocent and that test showing positive. What will rest of the world and the young woman's family think??
I don’t agree with the mother. She’s pointing fingers without real evidence
I'd fail. Even if I was innocent I'd be freaking out. Feel like those tests don't work properly for a lot of people.
“I just wanna go to work” yeah right....
I don’t agree with the mother. She’s pointing fingers without real evidence
A test might pick up on her feelings of guilt about his death as anybody would have if they felt they could have done more to prevent an accident.
Polygraphs are very unreliable and I wouldn’t take one either
She probably wouldn't take the polygraph because it's bunk science.
I actually can't believe the audience were clapping for the mum. My heart aches for her but if Malcom had ever loved Chloe, he wouldn't want her to take that test. He would want his mum to accept he's gone because of himself and for her to stop being in denial because of grief 😔 ☹️
but u don't know that he was gone because of himself. U are ASSUMING that she's innocent simply cuz she's a white chick. Girlfriends kill their boyfriends/husbands all the fukin time. It's nothing new. If she did kill, the guy would want her to be brought to justice and for his mom to know the truth
Idk this girl just give me bad vibes maybe she was just being a bratty girlfriend and it was a stupid accident but there's something about her that just rubs me the wrong way and let me tell u there is nothing stronger then a mother's gut instinct and if u feel that someone has harmed your child it's a feeling that is incredibly hard to shake so I feel for her immensely.
In my opinion this young lady is innocent because she's never said anything bad about him and most guilty girls would play the victim card and gaslight that person.
Actually on second thought..
At first when I read the title I thought to myself wow she won't take it cause she knows she's guilty but after listening to her reasons why she doesn'twant to, I'm taking her side on not to and I think she's in a really hard position between doing so or not doing it.
Mother is in the wrong I understand she lost her baby and she’s devastated but she said whether she’s telling the truth or not she’ll have a problem with her. That girl can’t win
I agree. I understand what she’s going through but she’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish their was an update
Exactly. She’s a nasty lady
My attorney/grandfather 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn't have taken one either... but then I wouldn't have gone on national TV about it...
Naw, she looking someone to blame, irregardless of facts or a test, she still is going to look someone to blame, and the girl is right, not to take the test !
Exactly she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
So basically the mom claims she would never leave him but then accuses her of killing him .. yes makes PERFECT sense
“that will give me closer” i get she’s grieving but she’s trying to pin that grief on someone, and it’s chloe she’s putting it on.
Bro this is my brothers baby mama and I never knew she made it to dr Phil
She’s acting like a nasty lady the mother
Mamas wig needs settling down.
ikr LOL
@Sarah White loser
Her son just died and your makeup looks horrendous
So it’s ok to insult a woman (whose son passed away) about her wig, but when someone insults you about your makeup you call them a loser? I think the term I’m looking for here is ‘hypocrite’.
@@missloco5914 you look more like loser actually. The mother is grieving because her son is dead and you worry about her hair
Listen to your lawyer. Don't do something that you are highly advised against by a lawyer.
How dare the audience start clapping on this sort of situation. This is too traumatic for any outsiders (audience) to start picking sides.
The mom just looking for someone to blame
Yes
She outright said the polygraph would do nothing. She would still indirectly putting the blame on her.
My heart goes out to the mother but the Teenager is right about not wanting to take a polygraph. Even if she was to take it, and she passed with flying colors the Mother has already indicated that they will never be "Cool" and that there will always be something between them.
The moms hair is just.....horrible. like the style is fine but my god it's floating 4 feet above her head! 😳
Ok emily
That ur comment..mother is greuvung over her son and the girl directly across from her is probably guilty..and you are talking about her hair???
@@Soyouareseparated u
@@Soyouareseparated yes LMFAO. Twas hilarious as well
Literally what I was thinking!! Like wtfffff.....
Mama got issues...
duh she lost her son
I understand what she’s going through but she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
She’s a nasty lady
Her grandfather is right. Anyone who disagrees is dumb. You need to listen to your attorney even moreso if innocent than guilty. You have rights for a reason.
If she was black, they would locked her up anyways, no test even needed. Privileged. Lying gives me anxiety too. She ain't special.
We can’t help it that our ethnicity or skin color gives us advantages😘
Honestly the mother is pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish their was an update on this
That mother is so nasty
@@butterflybeauty615 im glad you admit it
Accidents happen. Especially if you are intoxicated. The mother is a bully!
" We will never be cool " , but if you care about me you will take the test...
As sad as the situation is she really doesn’t owe the family anything and it makes no sense for them to be in contact
His mother just wants some place to put the blame. She already has put it on the young woman, but if she fails the polygraph she'll have every reason to blame her and no push back.
I don’t think this girl was the cause for this young man’s unfortunate death. She seems to be genuinely sad and sorry that he’s gone. I get that the mother is grieving and she misses her son dearly. But the truth is, she’ll probably always blame the girlfriend, no matter what a polygraph test would say.
“You think you know everything don’t you? You’re like a black woman in hindsight!”
-for anyone who gets the reference
Really she doesn't owe the mother anything. As sad as that situation would be, she doesn't owe the mother anything.
Exactly
My knee jerk reaction is not going to work....wtf
because she didnt prove shes innocent, does not make her guilty
Exactly. That nasty lady is assuming without real evidence
If your innocent, you have nothing to hide.....so take the poly if your innocent!!!
Polygraphs aren’t admissible in court, what she scared of
the mother is acting like a you know what ...
Yeah she’s pointing fingers without real evidence
Yes she is
The mom saying that she wouldn’t like her and they would never be cool no matter what so why take the test if the mom still isn’t gonna like her and still gonna blame her?
She really doesn’t owe the family anything if she wasn’t proven guilty. As sad as it is she really doesn’t
The mum wants someone to blame. She’s taking out her grief on the girl. The mum needs to grow up.
I agree
you obviously dont have kids
@@mitonrocha3351 ok and? We have also been through other major losses and didn’t act like this accusing people
SHE CAN GET HER HAIR AND NAILS DONE....BUT GOING TO WORK...NAAAAAW
Now you know she put that wig on her self 🤣
its tv they have a make-up team
The boyfriends mom is horrible
I agree. I understand what she’s going through but she’s pointing fingers at her without real evidence. I wish they had an update
Yes she is
I don't trust her any more
i’m sorry but this kinda blows my mind. the mom admitted that even if she passed the test, she’d still blame her. why would you push her to take it then? how would it help you move on if you’re still going to blame her either way?
she said that even if it was proven that the girl didn't push him the mother would still hold her PARTIALLY responsible because the girl caused a fight with her son that may have contributed to his death 1:46 to 2:27
I don’t agree with the mom either. She’s pointing fingers without real evidence. I wish they had an update
Yeah what a nasty lady
Do not take the test. How many times does she have to say no. No is an answer.
As a long time hiker, I have seen so many people taking risks near edges. Same with stair cases, especially when drinking!
Karla is right "I loved him" (past tense) and the mother says "if you love my family like you say you do" present tense.
Well yh, people speak in past tense for dead people ffs
Because he is no longer in the present bud
She really doesn’t owe the family anything. As sad as the situation is she really doesn’t
There is a reason they ain't used in courtrooms...
How dare that mother guilt that girl
dare?... why?
maybe she feels guilty. coz in a way she did cause it. maybe by picking a fight with him when he's walking up the stairs
WTF? his death still wouldn't be her fault though. If you watch the full episode....it says he was intoxicated.
@@lannabryanna I think they're saying that even though she didnt cause it she may still feel guilty bc they were fighting and then he tripped so if maybe she feels a little guilty about what happened the lie detector test might show that and say shes lieing
The polygraph is unreliable, it fails too often - so I don’t blame her.
Nobody will ever know except her
I don’t blame her at all. She and her grandpa are exactly right, they are easy to fail. She could just be nervous regardless and tell the truth but, still show a “lie”. I think the mom just wants someone to blame, I hope she gets some help. Don’t try to guilt her into it.
"Were never going to be cool."
💯💯💯💯💯💯
But if she did not do it she should have nothing against her though
Theres a reason polygraphs can’t be used in court and I’d never take one.