This was the best paint product review I've ever seen. A clear, non-situational, 'never know how much is the product and how much is the reviewer' type clips. To say nothing of the majority of these videos where for the first time, a guy tries his new sprayer--or _any_ sprayer, for that matter. Only thing I'd change is I might occasionally call out or otherwise display some approximate idea of what's going on with the pressure/volume as you're adjusting it. Edit: opinion on the resulting finishes?
Bought the graco ultra max , love it , however one annoying thing the ultra max uses a different size tip guard thread. also I bought a 90 degree radiator hose that fits over the paint pick up, so I can either run under a tap with constant clean water or solvent. Great videos also thanks for replying with help 👍
Hi. Id consider the Wagner over the Graco purely because of all the control options without needing to change the tips to suit your application. As per paint, if its bare aluminium youll need an etch primer and then use any good exterior paint, if theyre powdercoated youll need to sand the shine away and maybe start with an oil based primer and then whichever top coat you like.
Great comparison, most spray gun reviews are really vague. Your's had heaps of useful information and the demo was exactly what I wanted to see. I'm looking at either sprayer to re-paint my aluminum window frames inside and externally at home. Carpet has been laid, walls and trims painted already unfortunately. Would the Graco (ultra or ultra max?) be the best for this task due to the low amount of mist making it easier to spray indoors, or more drop sheets and the Wagner? Also... any idea what type of paint should be used on aluminum windows that lasts? Thanks again, great to know you are in Brooklyn.
I have literally just bought a wagner and for me the biggest kicker is the graco after 150 - 200 litres needs a new pump which is £150 so not only is it £250 more expensive its going to cost lots more
@@garethdavies7564 how much mist comes out of the xvlp 5000? Thinking of buying one soon. Will you need to mask and sheet up the whole room when using it?
Need new ears have one with low sound? do you have ringing in ears? take it these not for painting walls of house out doors? thinking getting Titan controlmax 1700 for outside? These sprayers paint under roof upside down?
Great video. What gives the better finish? Xvlp or airless with fflp tip? Thinking of getting either an airless graco GXFF (with the hopper) or a Wagner 5000 xvlp. I know it's quicker with the airless but is that at the expense of a smoother finish compared to hvlp or xvlp? I will be using them for doors and trim. Cheers.
Hi Ali, Fantastic video. Could I ask how the Wagner xvlp compares to standard hvlp systems like Fuji mini mite for example? Ive not got any experience in spraying, but need to get a system quick! Was all set to get a 4 stage hvlp but then discovered this video about xvlp and I'm now totally confused which route to take! I will be spraying furniture (not huge volume) using both waterborne/based and solvent based. Thanks!
Hi Andrew, handhelds are designed to be used in conjunction with full sized units, so a furniture maker should in reality have both, one for quick on the go jobs and one for all the larger work. The handheld does become heavy quickly especially with a full pot of paint. So I recommend you get both however this will get you through
I had a Hvlp years ago and found with water based paints as the air pushed over the nozzle it would start to dry around the nozzle ,forming dried bits of paint on the tip which would eventually spit onto the job. Is this still a problem??? Enjoy these clips, great work.
I'm looking at using the xvlp 3500 to spray my doors using oil based paint. Would you recommend the fine tip or standard? Do you think I'd need to thin the paint? Also, just a general question. Does aqua enamel come up as good as oil enamel if sprayed?
Definitely use the fine spray attachment, thin 10% maximum with water to increase atomisation, spraying aqua enamel is the only way to get it to look decent.
Is the Titan FlexSpray similar to the Focus? Wouldn't you get less paint by turning down the pressure or using a fine tip on the Ultra? Couldn't that be used for touch ups?
Yes Flexi Spray is the DIY version of the Focus, The Graco Ultra Tips are all FFLP tips, if you turn down the pressure you will get tails and holidays, it would be very difficult to blend paint with the Graco if not impossible purely because the minimum pressure on the fflp tips is about 1100 PSI, but if by touchup you mean for eg repainting a door frame or the whole front of a door then thats ok
What are the viscosity limits for spraying with the Wagner FineSpray and the StandardSpray attachments? If I would thin the paint and measure the viscosity with a DIN 4 cup for example?
Hi love the video and info to boot , may I ask do you paint wardrobe or kitchen doors and what with and materials'? as I am interested in buying a gun but so much information to stew over, I like a gun that spays enamel to urethane to vanish and does the water base solar guards for small fences and garage doors , when I see the wagner has to me a lot of overspray from fan and graco has a bit over spray and uses more paint but I guess comes down to tips , thanks for info can you advise me mate
Hi Tom Thumb. It sounds like you need a HVLP. These are fantastic all rounders, overspray can be minimised by adjusting settings and you won't need to buy all the different tips to suit. As for paint, talk to your paint shop and they'll advise you correctly.
Darren Cook Meat Fishing I use water for thinner, the reason being you want it to evaporate and not be a part of the finish. Products like flieteol bond and become part of the paint. Thanks for your positive comments
Sorry mate bit off topic but do you not reckon the Graco GX FF would not be a better bet for small projects? Also what's the best Graco gun, contractor 2 ?
The GX is a very good little unit for small jobs, the hand helds are for small jobs that only require a couple of litres, minimising prep and clean up time. As for guns the Contractor range for Graco is the best
Thank you so much for this video. I could not decide what kind of apparatus to buy for painting my furniture. The price is almost the same. I was told that Graco does not work with two-component varnishes. Is this really so? Can you tell me if Graco works with water-based wood primers? Do I need to dilute ordinary wood paints with water, adjusting the desired viscosity? Thank you in advance
The Graco UltraMax will work just fine, thinning should be as per directions on the paint can, anything being sprayed should really be thinned to aid in the atomising of the paint.
Completely different ways of applicating, eg you cant control lower flows and still have a good finish with the graco because its an airless, you can with the Wagner because its a HVLP, but speed theres no comparison the Graco will be much quicker
It looks to my untrained eye like the pattern with your Graco has tails, meaning it wasn't set up properly: Too low a pressure setting, too large of a tip or a worn tip, or your material needs thinning if you're at max pressure.
You are correct, the paint in the Graco was unthinned and the pressure wasnt turned up all the way, however the tailing is so light due to the FFLP tips that it actually blended in perfectly, The Graco rep who did the machine set up insisted i demo it without thinning to show its ability. your untrained eye is very well trained indeed
By far one of the best revieuws of the sprayguns.
Thank you Mr✌🏽
This was the best paint product review I've ever seen. A clear, non-situational, 'never know how much is the product and how much is the reviewer' type clips. To say nothing of the majority of these videos where for the first time, a guy tries his new sprayer--or _any_ sprayer, for that matter.
Only thing I'd change is I might occasionally call out or otherwise display some approximate idea of what's going on with the pressure/volume as you're adjusting it.
Edit: opinion on the resulting finishes?
Thanks for the comparison, even though I have both, I still found it very informative.
Great video mate! Fantastic information and comparison
Bought the graco ultra max , love it , however one annoying thing the ultra max uses a different size tip guard thread. also I bought a 90 degree radiator hose that fits over the paint pick up, so I can either run under a tap with constant clean water or solvent. Great videos also thanks for replying with help 👍
Thanks for the video... I think I'm gonna go with the flex spray... I like the cup switch that's sweet..
Hi. Id consider the Wagner over the Graco purely because of all the control options without needing to change the tips to suit your application. As per paint, if its bare aluminium youll need an etch primer and then use any good exterior paint, if theyre powdercoated youll need to sand the shine away and maybe start with an oil based primer and then whichever top coat you like.
Great video mate!
Great comparison, most spray gun reviews are really vague. Your's had heaps of useful information and the demo was exactly what I wanted to see. I'm looking at either sprayer to re-paint my aluminum window frames inside and externally at home. Carpet has been laid, walls and trims painted already unfortunately. Would the Graco (ultra or ultra max?) be the best for this task due to the low amount of mist making it easier to spray indoors, or more drop sheets and the Wagner? Also... any idea what type of paint should be used on aluminum windows that lasts? Thanks again, great to know you are in Brooklyn.
Hey Ali. I'm looking at getting the graco to spray cornice on re paints. Nice comparison of both units.
This dude is a beast!!
Excellent, made it look and sound very easy. Many Thanks
Very informative video!
I have literally just bought a wagner and for me the biggest kicker is the graco after 150 - 200 litres needs a new pump which is £150 so not only is it £250 more expensive its going to cost lots more
i had same problom with myn i think i only had myn a month then i sold it got wagner xvlp 5000
@@garethdavies7564 how much mist comes out of the xvlp 5000? Thinking of buying one soon. Will you need to mask and sheet up the whole room when using it?
@@lecrapauddejerri9 its not as mich as a airless you got so much control with xvlp you dont need to mask up the whole room
Hello, what do you use to clean the Ultramax after spraying oil based paints?
Graco the way to go , they are different sprayers hvlp vs airless , but that airless is capable giving you flawless results with the right tips
You are correct about using the right tips for best results.
Need new ears have one with low sound? do you have ringing in ears?
take it these not for painting walls of house out doors? thinking getting Titan controlmax 1700 for outside? These sprayers paint under roof upside down?
Great video. What gives the better finish? Xvlp or airless with fflp tip? Thinking of getting either an airless graco GXFF (with the hopper) or a Wagner 5000 xvlp. I know it's quicker with the airless but is that at the expense of a smoother finish compared to hvlp or xvlp? I will be using them for doors and trim. Cheers.
Anything that uses air will always spray finer. So the quick answer is HVLP or air assist
ty mate
Hi Ali, Fantastic video. Could I ask how the Wagner xvlp compares to standard hvlp systems like Fuji mini mite for example? Ive not got any experience in spraying, but need to get a system quick! Was all set to get a 4 stage hvlp but then discovered this video about xvlp and I'm now totally confused which route to take! I will be spraying furniture (not huge volume) using both waterborne/based and solvent based. Thanks!
Hi Andrew, handhelds are designed to be used in conjunction with full sized units, so a furniture maker should in reality have both, one for quick on the go jobs and one for all the larger work. The handheld does become heavy quickly especially with a full pot of paint. So I recommend you get both however this will get you through
@@westsprayairless8763 Thank you!
I had a Hvlp years ago and found with water based paints as the air pushed over the nozzle it would start to dry around the nozzle ,forming dried bits of paint on the tip which would eventually spit onto the job. Is this still a problem??? Enjoy these clips,
great work.
Cecily Friend yes it is. The best solution is to thin out the paint with water which allows the drying time
Thank you brother ali.
May Allah bless you
What has religion got to do with it? What if he's not religious?
I'm looking at using the xvlp 3500 to spray my doors using oil based paint. Would you recommend the fine tip or standard? Do you think I'd need to thin the paint? Also, just a general question. Does aqua enamel come up as good as oil enamel if sprayed?
Definitely use the fine spray attachment, thin 10% maximum with water to increase atomisation, spraying aqua enamel is the only way to get it to look decent.
What settings are you using on the titan to spray the door. Great video btw
I truly dont recall
The demo with the Titan, Is there a recommended paint viscosity for the fine finish head?
Hi Gordon.
No the paint was a Dulux Premium so it didnt need to be thinned, however 10% is the usual thinning ratio
Is the Titan FlexSpray similar to the Focus? Wouldn't you get less paint by turning down the pressure or using a fine tip on the Ultra? Couldn't that be used for touch ups?
Yes Flexi Spray is the DIY version of the Focus, The Graco Ultra Tips are all FFLP tips, if you turn down the pressure you will get tails and holidays, it would be very difficult to blend paint with the Graco if not impossible purely because the minimum pressure on the fflp tips is about 1100 PSI, but if by touchup you mean for eg repainting a door frame or the whole front of a door then thats ok
What are the viscosity limits for spraying with the Wagner FineSpray and the StandardSpray attachments? If I would thin the paint and measure the viscosity with a DIN 4 cup for example?
You would need to direct that question to Wagner/ Titan
Great video! 👍
I wonder how would the Wagner blow go with enamels?
Hi love the video and info to boot , may I ask do you paint wardrobe or kitchen doors and what with and materials'? as I am interested in buying a gun but so much information to stew over, I like a gun that spays enamel to urethane to vanish and does the water base solar guards for small fences and garage doors , when I see the wagner has to me a lot of overspray from fan and graco has a bit over spray and uses more paint but I guess comes down to tips , thanks for info can you advise me mate
Hi Tom Thumb. It sounds like you need a HVLP. These are fantastic all rounders, overspray can be minimised by adjusting settings and you won't need to buy all the different tips to suit. As for paint, talk to your paint shop and they'll advise you correctly.
cheers @@westsprayairless8763
Graco all day everyday ☝
Are the front ends of the Titan and Wagner sprayers interchangeable?
some but not all are.
With the Graco when you get a semi blockage in the tip , it’s a disaster, which is very frequently you must spend a bit of time straining out paint
make sure you're using the correct filter before spraying, this will greatly minimise blockage
Hi mate, great video. I have the wagner. What are you tinning your Aquanamel with? Water, flotrol etc?
Darren Cook Meat Fishing
I use water for thinner, the reason being you want it to evaporate and not be a part of the finish. Products like flieteol bond and become part of the paint. Thanks for your positive comments
My question would be this which of the sprayers you use could you spray red oxide Parmer through thick undiluted stuff
The Graco UltraMax, however youd be better off getting the Graco X Force Handheld
I think I'll be going with the ultramax the X-Force is a little out of my price range at current
Thank you
hi,if say u had a two bed house all white emuslsion. could you cut in ceilings walls and roll the main walls? would it overheat.thanks
michael mcmike Hi mate it definitely won't overheat. These have fans in them that keep the motor cool as it spins
you would use a airless sprayer for big projects like that
Just good
Hi there. Great video. Can the ultra max airless take any Graco tip?
Mirkury Hi thanks for your comment. Yes they can take any RAC X tip
Sorry mate bit off topic but do you not reckon the Graco GX FF would not be a better bet for small projects?
Also what's the best Graco gun, contractor 2 ?
The GX is a very good little unit for small jobs, the hand helds are for small jobs that only require a couple of litres, minimising prep and clean up time. As for guns the Contractor range for Graco is the best
Thank you so much for this video. I could not decide what kind of apparatus to buy for painting my furniture. The price is almost the same. I was told that Graco does not work with two-component varnishes. Is this really so? Can you tell me if Graco works with water-based wood primers? Do I need to dilute ordinary wood paints with water, adjusting the desired viscosity?
Thank you in advance
The Graco UltraMax will work just fine, thinning should be as per directions on the paint can, anything being sprayed should really be thinned to aid in the atomising of the paint.
whats the diffrence between these machine and qtech 5 suction gun?
The Qtech is a full HVLP sprayer, these are a mini hvlp in the case of the Wagner, and a mini airless in the case of the Graco.
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hello thank for the video can the titan be used for painting metals also thanks
As long as it's standard paints yes, some metallic paint is too heavy and some solvents will damage the seals causing it to leak.
This confused me. I thought hvlp had the least amount of overspray compared to airless.
MySchizo Buddy HVLP has more paint mist. This is because air is used to build paint pressure and atomise the paint
I, too, was surprised by that conclusion.
can you use water base gloss in graco machine
You can only spray enamel through the Graco Ultra Max, the Wagner XVLP sprays both
Water base gloss is fine in all the sprayers
Bottom line, Greco does in one coat what the Wagner / Titan does in 4.
Completely different ways of applicating, eg you cant control lower flows and still have a good finish with the graco because its an airless, you can with the Wagner because its a HVLP, but speed theres no comparison the Graco will be much quicker
Every painting comparison ever. . . .
"Buy both!"
Well which one will suit me better
"Both"
Lmao
"Horses for courses", take the information regarding both and decide which suits your applications better. Easy.
graco is like money pit with pump not lasting long😏
It looks to my untrained eye like the pattern with your Graco has tails, meaning it wasn't set up properly: Too low a pressure setting, too large of a tip or a worn tip, or your material needs thinning if you're at max pressure.
You are correct, the paint in the Graco was unthinned and the pressure wasnt turned up all the way, however the tailing is so light due to the FFLP tips that it actually blended in perfectly, The Graco rep who did the machine set up insisted i demo it without thinning to show its ability. your untrained eye is very well trained indeed
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Kinda lost interest as it was so slow .
You don’t wear a mask? Does your beard act as one?