honestly when i saw new pathfinders rules for the first time i thought it’s all over for recon teams of the greater good. but then i reread rules for several times and realised that this ruleset gives a lot of interesting synergies and cool abilities. this kill team now become definitely one of the hardest kill teams to manage but with some skill, patience and experience you can handle it and release mighty combos against your enemies. like, two drones good in range attacking FOUR times pro turning point? sounds awesome! with new recon dash and comms i can push my grenadier in a very first round straight forward to the enemy deploy zone! new bonded ploy is super powerful AND with accelerator drone we can pull some operatives shooting at the whole new level, especially for Blooded and Shas‘Ui who hit at 3+. So now i think pathfinders no weak but hard kill team. And that is kinda cool too because it’s always interesting to learn and manage something complicate that rewards you for this
I really like the feel of the pathfinders rules now, more synergy plays required between drones and operatives. Feels like a really nice teamwork ruleset. Pathfinder players who relied on easy one-and-done tools now have to be more creative but there's still a lot of juice in those synergies it looks like. Vet guard and pathfinders became less 3 trick ponies and more actual teamwork it looks like which feels really cool and way less oppressive.
@@CanYouRollaCrit Could be the case but it looks like a lot of players are just jumping ship from both these teams instead of looking at how they can make the new rulesets work haha?
@@tgcacreative The most vocal parts of the warhammer community play competitive unfortunately, so this is what they do. If something isn't immediately amazing, most will just abandon it because thinking is hard. Props to those who stick with the bad armies/teams - when they are truly bad. The much larger group of non-competitive players agree with you. Its not nearly as dire for pathfinders in most games as people online are saying.
Can the opponent shake off even more markerlight tokens with a counteract since its technically a separate activation? Or does it not count as an activation at all?
Hi, noob here and I'm trying to choose my first kill team. I did not understand why do you say that Drone controller can allow a drone to shoot, move and shoot again (12:00). Even if he gives a free action to the drone, if the drone just shot, he shouldn't be able to shoot again. What am I missing? Thanks
I managed to buy my Pathfinders at release and not play them once the whole edition. At least I got some really fun times out of my Gellerpox before they got nerfed into the ground.
Either whoever they put in charge of transitioning this team is a secret Tau hater, or they think if they make this team awful then Tau players will buy the Vespid.
As a Tau player I was always going to buy the vespid anyway - they are new vespid! Like the kroot refresh! So all GW have managed to do is make me sad :(
I'll reserve judgment on Pathfinders till I play them, but i believe they will generally struggle, and straight up suck in gallowdark maps, where their toolkit is nearly useless. This was probably GW trying to nerf them from bogeymen to average, but (as usual) overcompensating. They probably will blow up a reckless opponent, but will be a high skill team very vulnerable to mistakes or misplays.
So, confused. Wouldn't you only be able to field 10 Operatives if you brought a Recon D? Since they take up two slots, or am i misunderstanding GW language again? Thanks!
I really hope that this is just an overcompensation that gets fixed in their promised rule changes. Take the boogeyman team down a few pegs and then slowly bring them back up again. I can only hope, as the aesthetic of the pathfinders and the tau in general has been my draw to the game for ages.
A really simple buff would be to make it so that you aren't limited to only popping one or the other for Mont'ka or Kau'yon. Being able to pop both, one per turning point, would make them at least a thematic set-up recon + fire-and-maneuver one-two combo which would, while being very one trick pony, at least give them something of a style. I guess we'll have to see. Novitiates being playable softens the blow a little at least 😅
So if i want to play pathfinders just play Kasrkin instead, is that what you want James Workshop? Ranged factions are good if they are imperium? Would you guys let me play pathfinder minis with Kasrkin rules just to make me feel better?
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, if there is no file to download so I can print tokens, the rules will have to do. GW should make these tokens available as a download for everyone who already has teams.
I mean this very genuinely and hope I dont sound like a jerk, but i feel like you come across very negative in a lot of these videos youve been putting out the last few days, and I'm really trying to understand why. I haven't gotten to play the new edition yet, but it my understanding from reading the rules and most of the team rules that everything has been touched with the goal of balancing, and there should be a whole new meta. Hav you been able to play a bunch of games (10+) with any of these teams to get a grounded understanding, or are these rule analysis' based on comparison to last edition and not just this edition? I feel like im probably missing something here, and am struggling to understand. Thanks for all the work you do in this community, you've been a huge part of getting me fully on board with kill team through the last edition!
I've been positive on most of my videos actually so unsure about this 🤔 It's both as PF are now far worse, understandbly so, but they've gone a bit too far this time
@@CanYouRollaCrit I've maybe misunderstood, I'm not going to claim to have near the game knowledge/experience you do, and as I haven't been all the way through all the videos, maybe I've just gotten unlucky with the ones I have watched. Probably means I'll have to work harder with my favored teams lol Have you been able to get many games in? Does it feel like most of the teams should be able to settle into a healthy 45-55%?
Yeah sad face. They simplified the mechanism, but made the ability to do damage is waaay too dependant on layering up figures & drones & marker lights.
kill team pathfinders OOS, regular pathfinders - omg how cheap ? 10 figures, 3 weird drones - 2 rail rifles ? ive got shield and gun drones elsewhere.... even if they are a bit pants now, £24 a team is intriguing as I have other tau to mix in.
@@CanYouRollaCrit they fall back for 1 less, and set up their own bonded which stacks with the drone. you also could treat them like redshirt guardsmen but they have some offensive potential with ga2
i think bonded is pretty broken. al their weapons have insane damage, 4/5. a guaranteed hit for every shot is just ridiculous. yeah, there is the 3 inch restriction, but that is nothing. this ploy is broken.
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honestly when i saw new pathfinders rules for the first time i thought it’s all over for recon teams of the greater good. but then i reread rules for several times and realised that this ruleset gives a lot of interesting synergies and cool abilities. this kill team now become definitely one of the hardest kill teams to manage but with some skill, patience and experience you can handle it and release mighty combos against your enemies. like, two drones good in range attacking FOUR times pro turning point? sounds awesome! with new recon dash and comms i can push my grenadier in a very first round straight forward to the enemy deploy zone! new bonded ploy is super powerful AND with accelerator drone we can pull some operatives shooting at the whole new level, especially for Blooded and Shas‘Ui who hit at 3+. So now i think pathfinders no weak but hard kill team. And that is kinda cool too because it’s always interesting to learn and manage something complicate that rewards you for this
Yeah, I think most people will still struggle with em but good horde teams will also wreck PF sadly
So when do we get the Tau mix and match Kroot and Vespid kill team ala Inquisitorial Agents? lol, probably never
It'll happen when we get a Nicassar Kill Team 😂
TAUQUISITION WHEN
That would be so cool! Blades of Khaine style too!
@@CanYouRollaCritethereal kill team when
I really like the feel of the pathfinders rules now, more synergy plays required between drones and operatives. Feels like a really nice teamwork ruleset. Pathfinder players who relied on easy one-and-done tools now have to be more creative but there's still a lot of juice in those synergies it looks like. Vet guard and pathfinders became less 3 trick ponies and more actual teamwork it looks like which feels really cool and way less oppressive.
Kinda, I don't think PF have much game whereas Death Korp still play very well
@@CanYouRollaCrit Could be the case but it looks like a lot of players are just jumping ship from both these teams instead of looking at how they can make the new rulesets work haha?
@@tgcacreative The most vocal parts of the warhammer community play competitive unfortunately, so this is what they do. If something isn't immediately amazing, most will just abandon it because thinking is hard. Props to those who stick with the bad armies/teams - when they are truly bad.
The much larger group of non-competitive players agree with you. Its not nearly as dire for pathfinders in most games as people online are saying.
Pathfinders are still very potent in most gallowdark maps, however they will have a hard time in Volkus aka heavy city
love the mvc3 spencer bionic arm reference
YESSSS
@@CanYouRollaCrit mans has good taste in GW game systems and fighting games. respect lmao
Can the opponent shake off even more markerlight tokens with a counteract since its technically a separate activation? Or does it not count as an activation at all?
No as it's not their activation (:
Hi, noob here and I'm trying to choose my first kill team. I did not understand why do you say that Drone controller can allow a drone to shoot, move and shoot again (12:00). Even if he gives a free action to the drone, if the drone just shot, he shouldn't be able to shoot again. What am I missing? Thanks
Drone controller specifically allows it to (:
I managed to buy my Pathfinders at release and not play them once the whole edition. At least I got some really fun times out of my Gellerpox before they got nerfed into the ground.
it make so less sence to remove flying from the drones. I had quite nice moves with the Gun or Recon Drone repositioning due to flying
Yeah, they get +2 move with drone controller but doesn't really make up for it
Either whoever they put in charge of transitioning this team is a secret Tau hater, or they think if they make this team awful then Tau players will buy the Vespid.
If I squint hard enough, Vespid do look like PF
As a Tau player I was always going to buy the vespid anyway - they are new vespid! Like the kroot refresh!
So all GW have managed to do is make me sad :(
I'll reserve judgment on Pathfinders till I play them, but i believe they will generally struggle, and straight up suck in gallowdark maps, where their toolkit is nearly useless. This was probably GW trying to nerf them from bogeymen to average, but (as usual) overcompensating.
They probably will blow up a reckless opponent, but will be a high skill team very vulnerable to mistakes or misplays.
Yeah losing markerlight guard is so rough
Drones can now use cover, so maybe Recon drone + portable + take cover for a 2+ save?
Yeah but then it kinda is stuck there forever
So, confused. Wouldn't you only be able to field 10 Operatives if you brought a Recon D? Since they take up two slots, or am i misunderstanding GW language again? Thanks!
Leader and 11 operatives. With Recon Drone it would be leader and 10 operatives (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit Ahh yes! Thanks!
I really hope that this is just an overcompensation that gets fixed in their promised rule changes. Take the boogeyman team down a few pegs and then slowly bring them back up again. I can only hope, as the aesthetic of the pathfinders and the tau in general has been my draw to the game for ages.
Hopefully buffed later ):
A really simple buff would be to make it so that you aren't limited to only popping one or the other for Mont'ka or Kau'yon. Being able to pop both, one per turning point, would make them at least a thematic set-up recon + fire-and-maneuver one-two combo which would, while being very one trick pony, at least give them something of a style.
I guess we'll have to see. Novitiates being playable softens the blow a little at least 😅
Press F for Pathfinders
F 😭
@@CanYouRollaCrit They should put them at 3+ :)
So if i want to play pathfinders just play Kasrkin instead, is that what you want James Workshop? Ranged factions are good if they are imperium?
Would you guys let me play pathfinder minis with Kasrkin rules just to make me feel better?
Ah no PF models are too small and on 25mm bases vs Kasrkin
@@CanYouRollaCrit haha ok that's fine!
Could you detail a little why GA2 is bad? I had thought that now counteract replaced overwatch that might be a strong option.
Nah, hard to setup unless you go max shas'la vs hordes which isn't great
The new ratling ability to free dash every time an enemy operative has finished activating will totally nulify marker lights right.
No as it's not during their own activation
Can anyone tell me if tokens for existing teams can be downloaded anywhere?, I can't find these.
In the PDF rules
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, if there is no file to download so I can print tokens, the rules will have to do. GW should make these tokens available as a download for everyone who already has teams.
Can I roll a crit? What kind of question is that?! Of course I can roll a crit! Unless when it comes to plasma gun hazardous rolls...
The most crucial of times 👀
I mean this very genuinely and hope I dont sound like a jerk, but i feel like you come across very negative in a lot of these videos youve been putting out the last few days, and I'm really trying to understand why.
I haven't gotten to play the new edition yet, but it my understanding from reading the rules and most of the team rules that everything has been touched with the goal of balancing, and there should be a whole new meta.
Hav you been able to play a bunch of games (10+) with any of these teams to get a grounded understanding, or are these rule analysis' based on comparison to last edition and not just this edition?
I feel like im probably missing something here, and am struggling to understand. Thanks for all the work you do in this community, you've been a huge part of getting me fully on board with kill team through the last edition!
I've been positive on most of my videos actually so unsure about this 🤔
It's both as PF are now far worse, understandbly so, but they've gone a bit too far this time
@@CanYouRollaCrit I've maybe misunderstood, I'm not going to claim to have near the game knowledge/experience you do, and as I haven't been all the way through all the videos, maybe I've just gotten unlucky with the ones I have watched. Probably means I'll have to work harder with my favored teams lol
Have you been able to get many games in? Does it feel like most of the teams should be able to settle into a healthy 45-55%?
Yeah sad face. They simplified the mechanism, but made the ability to do damage is waaay too dependant on layering up figures & drones & marker lights.
Yeah it's really weird
This is the most dejected I've ever heard you. Rip path finders
They're gone 🥲
Sorry no disrespect you said the drone names so quickly and your accent I couldnt really understand which drones should be able to build?
Recon, marker, gun
kill team pathfinders OOS, regular pathfinders - omg how cheap ? 10 figures, 3 weird drones - 2 rail rifles ? ive got shield and gun drones elsewhere.... even if they are a bit pants now, £24 a team is intriguing as I have other tau to mix in.
Oooh nice! Yeah that's a solid find to start playing
whoop
Yup 🥲
The voice. It’s going.
🥲🥲🥲
MFW still no Phobos marines 😭
Soon 👀
Pathfinders used to be bloated as hell. They just seemingly did everything. I am very happy that they arent obscene any more.
I'm fine with that too but I feel they went a little too far
Thank you for neglecting your life to put these out
I just want to sleep 🥲
Drones dont have fly ? They are on fly bases ? Wtf ?
These drones were made for walking
@@CanYouRollaCrit I mean the Tau likes mechs, maybe it's a mech with stealthsuit legs ?
rip pathies. at least warriors are quite good now
They're okay but not a fan they're GA2
@@CanYouRollaCrit they fall back for 1 less, and set up their own bonded which stacks with the drone. you also could treat them like redshirt guardsmen but they have some offensive potential with ga2
They are not just bad, they are boring.
Yeah that's the worst part
Good riddance
Blooded are next 👀🤣
i think bonded is pretty broken. al their weapons have insane damage, 4/5. a guaranteed hit for every shot is just ridiculous. yeah, there is the 3 inch restriction, but that is nothing. this ploy is broken.
It's a normal auto retain, has to be within 3 of a non drone operative, and the other shots hit on 4s. It's fine