Is Monster Hunter Rise good enough? | Deep Dive Review
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CHAPTERS:
0:00:00 - Intro
0:05:51 - HR1: To Build a Monster Hunter (Graphics and Performance)
0:25:48 - Gathering Quest: Why am I making this Video now?
0:28:02 - HR2: Of Doggo and Dango (Story and Setting)
0:47:56 - HR3: Mastery of the Blade (Gameplay and Structure)
1:21:25 - HR4: Yokai of Legend, Lords of the Kingdom (The Monsters)
1:43:46 - Gathering Quest: Event Quests and Paid DLC
1:58:22 - HR5: The Sites of Glory (Maps and Environment)
2:16:02 - HR6: Warrior Garments (Armor and Weapons)
2:34:23 - HR7: Kingdom Come (Sunbreak Improvements)
2:50:30 - Gathering Quest: A Game with no Content?
3:01:19 - HR8: The Apex of... what? (Failed Content)
3:19:48 - HR9: 'Tis an Affliction! (The Endgame)
3:42:10 - HR10 URGENT: Is Rise Enough? (The Answer)
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The History of Monster Hunter, by SuperRad:
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Action Button, by Tim Rogers:
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it is finally done. now i schleep.
CORRECTIONS/EDITS:
- Bubbly Dance already existed in MHGU. No clue why I forgot that lol.
- TU3, which released while this video was being edited, introduced a new Melding Type called Aurora, which allows you to meld a Talisman with a specific Skill in Master Rank.
- Palamutes can be made more effective than Palicoes through specific builds and are often preferred by Speedrunners. However, the overall utility of Palicoes still outweighs that imo, so the point in the video still stands.
He schleep
Good sleep!
Great video. Loved every minute.
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Excellent work, I'm sure, I'm still on the second quest
Monster hunter Rise is an incredible game, but I think I will still always prefer how immersive world was, finding monster tracks and exploring for monsters made me feel a deeper connection to the game than with rise.
People don’t have time for this!!!!
I can respect that, after World people are expecting different things from this franchise and I hope there will always be space for both
finding monster tracks fucking sucks yo
But that's not immersion. That's the _opposite_ of immersion; you are _completely_ disengaged while searching for tracks because the game is doing nothing to demand your attention. Immersion is a measurable psychological state, and it occurs almost exclusively during periods of high-demand gameplay.
Stuff like collecting tracks is just negative space, uninteresting, meaningless actions that don't contribute anything positively to the gameplay experience. Rise did MH a service by doing away with all of that completely and focusing the experience on the core interactions that the game is designed around, because that's where the most powerful, engaging, immersive, and affective experiences lie.
I hate world for its terrible unskippable tutorial that takes half the game along side the unskippable cutscenes and an annoying handler.
I had to endure that bullshit 3 times because the game kept losing my saves, each over 100+ hours
One thing to note to your HR2 section:
During Sunbreak's "Gathering of the QUrio Quest", not only was there a huge thematic presentation in the mission, it actually had real effects on gameplay as well. During the missions, except for the target monster, NO LIVING CREATURES EXIST. That also means NO endemic life. This includes Hunting Helpers, Traps (like the Thorny Toads) AND Spiribirds. You were FORCED to take on the quest without a couple of the Game's unique mechanics.
And this being the only mission like this, it not just gives you that impression of "something is really wrong" with only thematic presentation, but it SLAMS IT INTO YOUR FACE with gameplay effects that you, as a player, actually feel.
There are a couple of other things worth nothing, but I'll leave it at that.
I loved that mission. It was so eerie, it set the mood for that hunt perfectly when I did it. For once, it felt like something had really gone wrong and I had to be prepared for anything.
There were actually a few spiribirds if you cut down bushes. But I guess most people assumed there wouldn't be any.
@@wintersong2266 Still works. People hide at home when there's danger. It's kinda like the Final Plague in the bible or faceoff at high noon, where the whole town shuts down. Doors locked, windows shut. No one makes a peep.
mh rise sunbreak is the best mh game. period.
There actually are a couple spiribirds in the bushes and the destroyable tower
magnamalo felt underwhelming to me because i was EXPECTING him to have a few appearances before the real fight going into it, much like almost every flagship monster there's ever been. so when i got to his little 3 star village quest i was expecting at any moment to be on the floor in a scripted death before he does some cool shit and then runs away, but instead he just dropped dead!! super underwhelming, absolutely no build up and the fight felt super anticlimactic because i could tell i was supposed to be afraid of him but he was just a pushover that got exposition 20 minutes before he died
They could've done a similar situation in mhp3rd where you get to fight zinogre after hunting a bulldrome, you get to fight a zinogre with low gear.
Yeah it’s pretty easy to see where they dropped the ball, since it lacked the “rival” factor of basically every flagship before it since Lagiacrus.
EXCEPT FOR BRACHYDIOS! Imagine my surprise when playing 3U that Brachydios gets one NON-URGENT quest and that’s IT. Hilarious honestly, it somehow got overshadowed by both Zinogre and Ivory Lagiacrus in the village, in its debut game.
@@emblemblade9245and Ivory sucks.
Rise just has a more arcade-y feel to it. You just post a quest and do it no build up or anything
@@choty7066 i actually was pretty happy with sunbreak in that regard, my memory is a little hazy because its been a while now but that lunagaron urgent quest gave me what i wanted out of sunbreak. it wasn't the best in the world and there are definitely ways i think it could have been improved but for what sunbreak is, it was pretty goddamn cool
I actually really liked the scout flies and the whole tracks mechanics tbh. Once you leveled up the scout flies it also didn't matter you could track easily with the flies.
Terrible feature they should bring back paintballs
@latina parfait both features are just plain bad and are a lazy excuse of a way to track an animal
@@Vross_MKII no it's not, paintballs made it so you had to be conscious of when it was about to run out so you would throw another one. it also added to the hunt as it was used to track the monster
@@latinaparfait Most monsters had very simple movement patterns. They really weren’t needed unless the monster moved in weird ways, you’re a new player, or you were fighting a flying monster. It’s more of a harmless non-mechanic than a bad one.
@@Mariofredx what are you talking about? i'm talking about paintballs, not a monsters move-set. if you didn't paintball them you wouldn't have any idea what zone they were going to especially if they were flying. other than maybe a direction.
After playing my entire life, MHW is what finally convinced my brother to join me on hunts. 1500 hours later we still duo every day.
MHW and MHR saved MH for the west. If we had games like that earlier, we might even have had the MMOs here. Unfortunately they didnt realize earlier in the series that being clunky isnt a feature.
@@BatLB Japan likes extremely obtuse and clunky mechanics for some reason. Maybe they grew up with that and never experienced quality-of-life features.
Yeah I don't really care about how much people will hate on the newer games. I had one friend to play with growing up with the series and now I have a bunch bc of how accessible and enticing World/Rise was to them (along with my shilling)
@@Cobalt_11 this
I love how through sheer willpower alone you changed my perspective of you from an MHAtuber to a Monster Masher
I mean the abbreviations are pretty close
THEY DID THE MONSTER MASH
@Brachydaddy it was a Capcom smash!
Having watched the whole video, I think the core reason why I was able to thoroughly enjoy rise for what it is is because I knew what I was getting. I knew it wasn't gonna be world 2 at all. I knew it would be gameplay/combat focussed and I really enjoy that. I love world and rise for seperate reasons, so I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compare the two. After all both are amazing games, in which I've spent thousands of hours.
good vid!
Felt like a return to form imo after world… makes me wonder if the next title will be more like rise or going back to the formula world laid out
@@Tale_swapper I don't think it would be wise for Capcom to base the new game on their best selling game of all time.... Imagine the backlash it would get from the people who hated that game... Imagine bud light boycott but 10x worse!!!
its garbage mechanically, far inferior to world, and much easier. also no endgame except ugly red monsters with massively bloated hp and some reskinned elders with no weapons.
@@xdxd-is8bb" much easier" lol.
@@xdxd-is8bb Honestly base world wasn't that hard. World didn't get hard until Iceborne.
This is probably the best monster Hunter video I have ever seen. It’s so well made and kept me super entertained throughout it all. The quality never wavered, and it kept making me rethink how I think of games. It was genuinely engaging, and gives me a shining example of how to fairly examine a game in efforts to understand and love.
I cannot articulate how much I want to gush about this video. Seriously. Just amazing.
Definitely what they could have one with Apex armor was similar to what Allmum parts did for the base Ibushi and Narwa armors by letting you upgrade them further to add a new special skill.
For example, take Apex Azuros parts to upgrade the base Azuros armor and weapons that till not only update/change the stats and skills on the armor/weapons as well as give them that darkening dragon element effect
I was super disappointed when I fought the apex monsters and just got normal parts lol
Shoot, that's actually really clever.
And the thing they did with allmother narwa came in an update, so there's no reason this couldn't come out alongside it post launch
I'd have liked a reworking of the Deviant system tbh. Streamline it a bit, make it less grindy, but that at the very least would have given us a proper endgame for base Rise. As it was, farming talismans just wasn't all that engaging or fun, and while the Elders were a welcome challenge to a very easy game (Valstrax especially, holy HELL was he a challenge when he first dropped!) they just didn't hold my attention that long. By far the bulk of my 170 hours into base Rise (on Switch, another roughly 120 on PS4) went into just grinding out all of the quests for completion's sake.
Wait a second that’s genius, I can’t believe I’ve never seen this idea!
No sarcasm btw. Probably sounds that way sorry
Its a shame Risepex monsters were just watered down deviants with no real gear to aim for, even if it was just a purple and red version of the base monster equipment with some different skills/resistances
Rise is odd in comparison to world and especially MHGU but I think the data leak, Pandemic, and the team doing things like switching from loading zones to seamless zones changed a lot of things they had in mind originally. It just feels like due to world success they had to implement things that they didn’t initially intend to. Even though rise was a bit rocky I’ve still loved both games. Also outstanding review and especially theming, listening to the HR segments was fun!
Rise only suffered from the condition of being released even though it was blatantly incomplete.
I've gotta be honest, I did not like base Rise. I kept thinking it was a shame that such good aesthetics and theming were wasted on such an awful Monster Hunter game. Sunbreak really did the most of any G rank except maybe GU to improve on its base game in my eyes (and Generations was my previous least-favourite Monster Hunter before Rise, for that matter), even offering switch skills that helped (at least partially) restore some of the weapons I felt were hobbled by their changes from either GU or World that were inherited in Rise (though don't even talk to me about the worst version of HH since FU, which is still unfixed), and turned Rise into a game I actually enjoy playing.
World was not a good MH in my opinion but was still a good game. I know a lot of people say that about what they see as the worst titles in their favourite series, eg "Skyward Sword was a huge blunder, but the worst Zelda is still one of my favourite games," but that's not exactly what I'm saying (and I think base Generations and base Rise are the worst MH titles besides MH1, which practically doesn't count, and while Generations may make the cut I'd struggle to call base Rise a good game); I think World was arguably objectively a better game than some Monster Hunter titles that I personally like more, but it was worse at _being_ Monster Hunter, a series that uniquely appeals to me, and whose identity is at risk due to the success of World, meaning I may not get to see another title that I consider "truly" Monster Hunter that tops the previous high water mark of 4U. Iceborne and Sunbreak give me hope, though, because while Iceborne was seriously held back by the base-World weapon movesets and the baffling addition of the crutch claw, and Sunbreak still has wirebugs which are antithetical to my very existence, Iceborne still moved World closer to that classic Monster Hunter feel (in a very good way) while Sunbreak showed a remarkable amount of positive innovation that does not, in my opinion, compromise the gameplay or identity of Monster Hunter.
@@vitriolicAmaranth funny you mention Zelda in this since BotW did the same thing to Zelda World did to monhun. As a long time Zelda fan BotW was and still is a horrible zelda game. TotK is far better as far as a Zelda game goes, but it sounds like this is the path zelda will be taking going forward and that stings because the potential is there, the potential to truly make the best Zelda game of all time by combining what is great about TotK and BotW with what is great about the Zelda Formula they are so intent on avoiding/ diluting now. again, TotK did do better, but it is still lacking severely.
@@ShadowAraun Stopped reading at "TotK is far better as far as a Zelda game goes." Don't get me wrong, I disagreed with you before that, but there is such a thing as a wrong opinion. Let me guess, you think that things like the dungeons being called "temples" instead of "beasts" made the game more like classic Zelda and therefore better "as a Zelda game."
@@vitriolicAmaranth no, I think the implementation of things such as caves and an underworld are excellent call backs, as well as the abilities you get from the main story having generally more practical use in the vein of some old item unlocks by letting you gain access to some areas that were harder (or even impossible) without them. The atmosphere and ascetics of the temples were also far improved from the boring divine beasts and the boss fights were very much in line with classic zelda bosses. The wind temple, If you consider the climb up as part of the temple which almost everyone does, is actually pretty good, and the feel of the thunder temple is pretty good, albeit both still lack immensely. The fire temple can actually take a bit of playing around to learn the paths of the puzzle and without cheesing feels good to solve, but yes in general all of the temples are just better divine beasts. I will not argue that, there is a reason TotK is not in my top 10 zelda games. The game has a fair bit more of the zelda feel, more of those tense fear elements thanks to the depths and the gloom hands. More secrets like alttp and tloz, more enemy diversity and the battery system being pseudo magic also helps (even letting you cheese stuff like in AoL).
I have loads of complains about the game still, but it is a far cry better as a zelda game goes and I can admit that without being an ass. I've said nothing out of disrespect towards anyone else's opinions mind you, and I ask you do the same.
I'm absolutely in love with the way you presented and organized this video, very cool
After watching the entire video, I'm so happy someone finally made this. You are awesome. Great work.
For me personally, walking around the maps in world/iceborne is my fav aspect of the game. I load into expeditions to get my photo quests done, explore and appreciate the detailed and complex zones. the wirebug WAS fun, yet now i have pathed out rise's maps too optimally now and find myself on "auto pilot" more than iceborne ever did
I feel like this sentiment can also be used for other aspects as well. There have been many times in Rise where I don’t need to focus on what the monster is doing and I wind up on an autopilot cycle of; counter/block -> attack -> repeat.
You can do all these things in rise lmao I've spent hours exploring everything every inch of every map every secret tunnel or small cave just exploring and taking pictures hell this isn't even exclusive to the new games this is every MH game
It's all about the combat for me. Obviously World was much more of a spectacle, but I still end up heading straight for the monster. I never really care much for the extra content in these games, although it's nice to have as an option if you get bored. I enjoy Rise simply because it feels a bit more streamlined in terms of the core gameplay loop that MH is about. It feels like I can progress through the stuff I care about faster, where as World loved to force the immersion aspect. Don't get me wrong, it worked in some regards with World, but I got tired of some of the mechanics. World is still my favorite MH game by far, but if they could find a way to take the best of both games and put them into the next MH, it would really be something.
@@genloyola6916 having played rise I have to disagree. Yes in every MH game you can just enjoy exploring but what made world so special was that the world felt living. Every endemic life in world have animations and path cycle and it makes exploring a joy as you felt like exploring a living ecosystem. It awe me when I was exploring then seeing Great Jagras hunting then eating the poor rhino. I followed it then finding out it's going to hibernate.
Or heck that the small Jagras is hunting in packs and even ending up helping u against monster it doesn't like. World environment interaction was something else.
@@RainingFlow19 agreed. When hunting certain passive creatures with a heavier weapon if you don't kill them asap they all just phase into the wall and disappear right before your eyes. That imo breaks immersion immensely, especially with the larger mammoth like monsters.
The biggest reason I prefer Rise over World is the monster roster. As you said, the variety is much better compared to World's, the new monsters do a great job of mixing their mythological motifs with designs that stay true to the Monster Hunter creature philosophy, and the cast of returning monsters are really exciting. We have highly beloved monsters like Valstrax and the Magalas, Astalos and the crabs are treats, and seeing Espinas really opens the possibility of seeing more Frontier monsters in the main series.
However, you bring up a really good point over how the monsters in Rise/SB lack the ecological details from World, and having them just aggro on sight only gives the impression of video game bosses.
It's a shame, because it makes an otherwise better roster less memorable than the weaker one that came before it.
yeah the rooster is good, not as good as 4U tho. but even this rooster can't make me like rise more than world or 4. there is this weird dichotomy between the hunter and monster where it feel like the 2 come from different game where the hunter is way too fast, recover too fast (wirefall) for the monster to be able to compete. not once had i feel like i was at a disadvantage. even the recent chaotic gore, i just did it half asleep while watching netflix and drinking. but there was a lot of instance in 4U ( gogmazios) or iceborn ( the first barioth) where i was hyper focus and stress doing these fight. i just never had this feeling in SunRise.
but there is a few thing that rise did better than world for sure : the monster rooster, the open map and initial exploration ( even if i wished for more exploration, secret etc), the weapon moveset that save a few weapon for me, like the bushido lance, the valor hammer, the new charge LS style so we can avoid spamming helmbreaker, the new insectglaive. i played most of these weapon since Freedom 2 but world make me abandon most of them. ( i didn't like the new guard lance of world that eliminated the evade style of 4, having to powercharge the hammer was a pain, the LS was too easy to use and abuse monster etc, + the clutch claw that suck ass).
but in immersion and feel : world is still better for me, the element effect on the Swagg axe and charge blade are awesome, all the other effect and the hitlag are way better. it make so you can feel the weight of the character and weapon ( looking at you sunRise hunting horn ) . also the fucking yellow damage number of rise that look like some 90s fan anime sub are awful.
ps : also the last boss of sunbreak is bad, like really really bad, its one of the worst boss with xeno jiva of world but at least the xenojiva had a closure with the safi jiva in iceborn. a bad final boss just leave a bad aftertaste, it kind of spoil the rest of the game to finish on a bad note. just like game of throne.
@@champ6436 while I disagree with weapon choice in World (to me, they all felt clean and focused, with every weapon's natural moves working together with armor skills to facilitate different playstyles within each), they were appropriately restricted while remaining flexible... every weapon had a very distinct identity, and that encouraged learning new weapons to handle different situations in different ways.
Rise, however, breaks it all so that EVERY weapon has a counter and tons of mobility... they don't feel special anymore. I just started building my Horn collection again, and god DAMN is it underwhelming. The KO damage is _abysmal_ even with lvl3 Slugger and Slugger Dango Skill unless I use styles and skills I don't actually like, and that's spread to everything else. I was someone who learned how to use every weapon to master if not well above average over the years, and in Rise, I don't wanna play most of them. Especially with ranged weapons, you have to twist your fingers in fuckin knots to deftly use switch skills and shift modes, and that's not great when 90% of the monsters are two to three times as fast in this game.
Moving the pace to almost an arcade-level has made many attacks feel like they've lost their weight, and that really sucks, _especially_ for Hunting Horn. I know how to build some meaty sets, but the rework of decoration levels and addition of so many new skills kinda borks things. I took pride in World, being one of very few Horn users who could effectively fight while supporting others, but even more so in that I could build sets that did insane damage. Doing 380-420 on big crits with a raw build, spinners for 120 x 3 with elemental builds and Hyper regenerative elemental attack builds with amazing evasion to deal with Teostra/Lunastra felt validating to the work I put into the game. Rise, however, feels weak, bland, and a lot of effort doesn't reward you but so much.
Finally, I also feel a negative affect from some designs akin to Pokemon: i liked that the monsters were mostly like big animals with weird natural abilities, but then designs like Goss Harag are weird. A big yeti that creates swords isn't necessary when Nargacuga is an owl-panther with blades on its wings, to the point where the dev team went to zoos to record influential animal sounds. But Goss is like Mr. Mime... a weird person rather than an animal. I shudder to think how far they might go in this regard, and hope them never jump the shark like Pokémon adding a sentient keyring, chandelier, ice cream cone, or a literal bag of garbage with eyes.
@@shithoagie agree on pretty much everything here, including that it dumb down everything, tho' I would say a few of the rise monsters would work in monster hunter tho' some would have to be given a more traditional monster hunter look. One major problem I have is tho' dame dogs, it just add npc clutter and screws with the monster AI, effectively making it easier to fight them.
@@williamking1081 the dogs are fine... I'm assuming you're talking about making solo hunts easier, but that's the point. Remember, you've been able to bring both Chacha and Kayamba or two Palicos in the past, and if you want to hunt with zero assistance, you've always had the option to leave companions at home.
@@champ6436 oh, also, Evasion Lance wasn't eliminated... evasion options have been absolutely available in world for everything, including Lance. I played around with evade GL, so you had the same options for Lance as well. It's just way easier and more characteristic for the weapon to build around guarding. After all, only 6 of 14 weapons even have the option to block at all. Furthermore, World gave no bonuses based on blocking while Rise does. If anything, Rise actually pushes higher level players into blocking/parrying with Lance's and Gunlances because you _do_ get attack bonuses based on those actions. All World had was the Offensive Guard armor skill, which was only introduced in Iceborne, and was not necessary at all if you _did_ prefer evasion styles of play. Finally, such things depended on the monster, and if a Lance user was adept at using the full guard ability, they didn't really need Guard Up or many points (if any) in standard Guard.
The point about it being more friendly to newcomers and casual players resonated with me. I tried playing world on my friend's computer, but the mechanics were kind of complicated and I didn't understand the appeal of the fights, awkwardly moving around trying to hit a monster when both of us are kinda slow...
The Rise demo drew me in instantly. Now I have hundreds of hours in Rise and Sunbreak, and I want to play World+Iceborne now that I have an appreciation for how the weapons have totally different feels and it takes some practice to get into the flow of a new weapon, but it really works and feels satisfying once you get it.
im kinda like that too, really disliked world at first but now im having fun with it. still sucks that everything glows but i guess there are mods for that.
It's really interesting you feel that way about rise because I felt the complete opposite. I felt Rise was less intuitive and very "clunky" compared to world/ice born. This doesn't mean your opinion is any less valuable to me, honestly it makes me realize how difficult it must be to be a game dev. They can't satisfy everyone, so they have to try to find a sweet spot that probably doesn't exist. God bless those bastards😅.
World mechanics were not complicated let’s be real
@@WeaselKing_Obie Goes to show that different players approach the games differently ^^. World is not without a reason the most successfull Monster Hunter game, it is very intuitive and imho easy to pick up/get the flow, while Rise I had some difficulty with the first few hours/days. Probably because it innovated a lot, even for a Monster Hunter. I adore both.
Gotta admit personally rise controls felt like I was playing wii boxing with a broken controller
On the topic of difficulty from HR3: While there is definitely less of a focus on mastering the monster fight, I think what rise replaces that with is mastering the weapon due to the abundance of options which is part of why Rise is so fun to play. However, at that point it comes down to what you want to get out of it, as you can get moveset mastery out of other action games while the monsters are unique to monster hunter. Most would probably want a balance, though that's probably easier said than done.
On the topic about the weapon cosmetics.
First time I saw the plushie weapons my first thought was "oh shit that's cool what hunt do I have to do for that" and it's honestly a problem that there isn't one
The point about Partbreaks around 1:31:20 is a bit misleading since World is the outlier here, in every Game, except World, Rathien will still poisen you after you cut off her Tail, and since Rise started development as a follow up to GU rather then World, and had to go throu some big developmental shift because of World success, i can also see why this Detail may have been overlook
Still, once the step that world took has been made, going back feels like I’ve wasted time as a hunter. There’s so many things you cram into your limited inventory before the hunt, let alone things you gather for the next one. When I cut off Rathian’s tail in World, I’m making a conscious choice to use a bladed weapon (I use multiple) and leaving behind my antidotes. It made it more than “I need to cut off it’s tail because I need that part for armor.” In rise I feel like I wasted time because breaking the tail does nothing mid-hunt, and feel like all I did was make a stupid decision on what weapon I brought (edit: stupid because once the tail comes off the “weak to bladed weapons” part of the monster loses a decent chunk of the hitbox so honestly bladed weapons on monsters that can lose their tails, when you don’t need that tail, is worse than the other types
@@jaydenliberty9536 what ? I was sure cutting the til worked to avoid poisoning all the way back in freedom unite
@@jaydenliberty9536 I mean, its not a step back if it only happened one time.
Which is honestly wierd, since if I am not mistaken what poisons you are the spikes on her back and not the tail. Tail cut off should just reduce the range of her tail sweep.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 what
Stellar video and incredible effort. Was a pleasure to watch. Thank you for the hours of entertainment.
Great video. Just rewatched it. Hope you can do this kind of work for all the monster hunters games. Keep it up man!
Glad this isn’t just a “bashing other games to make this one look good” kind of review so far, hoping it stays like that
i did my best to stay fair. after all, there isnt a single MonHun game I'd rate lower than a 7 (unless its MH1 and you ask me on a bad day lol)
@@Oceaniz I haven't gone further back than unite lol, I think I'd die trying to after playing iceborne
Cough* dos review
@@Oceaniz 7? Isn't world the last mainline entry being mh5?
@@agssilv5919 'Than a 7' As in rating number, so he's saying basically every MH game is good in his eyes.
I feel like the main reason Magnamalo failed to have that sense of danger to it was its tie to the Rampage. Which, as a feature, failed as well since not many found the Rampage to be enjoyable. It would of been more impactful if during the rampage before Magnamalo appeared we could see it beyond the defenses picking off other monsters that were repelled. That way you could actually see it and see how ferocious that monster is through that interaction. That way, when it appears to throw an Arzuros at us it holds a bit more weight. Then they could have Magnamalo appear in quests afterwards to interact and antagonize the player more until it is time to finally fight the beast.
Man I keep coming back for that intro alone, just so good. MH music is amazing, and the custscenes really pop with that editing
i love these videos, thank you for making this!
This came on a good day. Many thanks, Ocean Man. I appreciate your work immensely.
What a great video!! Seeing that it is now 3 o’clock in the morning, I’m going to go schleep 😴😴😴
This is awesome. Thank you for putting this extremely in depth review together.
If World had the more varied roster of Rise, it could have been a 10/10 for me. Just cause it's my favorite game doesn't mean it is perfect, after all.
The RE Engine on Rise looks fantastic with Rise's superior art direction though
@@unicorntomboy9736it looks pixelated for me, especially the armor, looks like wet cardboard made to look like armorpieces.
@@Benri05 It was originally a Nintendo Switch game, so not going to be exactly like Resident Evil 2 Remake or something
@@unicorntomboy9736 Problem is just that they decided to publish it on PC too, where it just looks bad, they could have made it a Switch exclusive or if they wanted looked to make it exclusive to the Switch and Steamdeck.
In reference to the endgame I personally want to make my opinion in defense of especially fatalis armor at the end of iceborne. Since the gameplay loop is fight a monster so you can make gear to fight a stronger monster, fighting the final boss and then having its armor to do endgame things tends to be pretty satisfying and is why I feel endgame benefits monster hunter quite a bit. Which is why I personally believe for icebornes final hoorah of fatalis and it’s absurdly overpowered armor was great if it’s the last true new challenge to overcome why not make its gear the strongest of all so the hunter feels as strong as the challenge they conquered.
I would honestly love if the next Monster Hunter have the combat of Rise, with the immersion of World. Makes me wonder how the next game will top it, or how they’ll keep the gameplay fresh.
The combat of rise sucks. I hate having to find an opening literally every minute to do a long ass wirebug animation to give my hammer the buff it needs (don't give me "charge blade" or "swaxe", those weapons are designed around buffing and can do so without being disruptive). Rise is also way too reaction-based and counter-heavy. I had fun with rise for a couple of hundred hours but looking back, I genuinly can't see how people consider it's combat superior to other monhuns. I'd go back to generations sooner than I'd ever touch rise with a five foot pole again. Shame really, it did actually have some really interesting ideas.
I like Rise's gameplay a lot, but with it being a "portable" entry, i think Monster Hunter "6" should go back to the more grounded combat seen in previous numbered titles and World (although Switch Skills absolutely should be made a staple mechanic), then in the game after 6, they can go back to the more anime-like experimental feel of Generations and Rise.
@@Nen_niN the methodical use of attacks and more slower game-play of the predecessors is superior, the weapons feel heavy... Rize is floaty, counters are fun for the first 10h of game then become too strong and make the game boring, i am playing world again, and ma it's good :P
It's just utterly relaxing listening to you talk plus the fact that it's about my favorite videogame series. Kudos to the effort you put into this Oceaniz! Thank you
Fiorayne shield bashing Gaismagorm is the moment I loved her and all the new sunbreak characters
Love seeing inspiration from Tim Rogers. That man has pioneered such a captivating format of video.
2:03:07 Spiribird jumpscare
(Amazing video, also, been enthraling watching your videos as of late
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As a vet from MH3U, I'll say I've preferred Rise overall, and then Sunbreak took it to another level. World really did create a living, breathing environment but it had so many flawed mechanics and gameplay designs. The map designs, including the base hub were annoying to navigate. Unskippable cutscenes, bland weapons and armor, and so many important mechanics and tools hidden behind side quests that the game never goes out of its way to bring attention to. Rise scales things back a bit and stays closer to the original formula for MH. What's really important in Monster Hunter, what makes unique and attractive to such a wide audience now? Is it the attention to detail in ecology and designs, the cool gear, the combat, the weapon variety, the characters, the story, the music, the maps? Maybe not even Capcom knows for sure 😂 but I appreciate the ways in which they try to improve the formula, MH has always been the kind of series that only gets better.
I agree
This. While World is amazing for exploring the environment and watching the monsters in their natural habitat, actually fighting them is just boring as hell. World makes a good "Monster Observer" game, but a terrible "Monster Hunter" game, know what I mean?
You nailed it. I loved world, its literally a game of my dreams. Playing tri on the wii there was always this magical enhanced potential monster hunter on the Playstation i wanted them to make. And i think in a lot of ways world is that, but it dropped the ball in others i wouldn't have expected. Especially the weapon design 🤦🏾♂️ i like having a variety of monster hunter flavors and i love world, but sunbreak is some of the most fun ive had in the series
I agree half.
All your points are valid BUT rise was waaaay to easy.
Whats the matter of all the gameplay mechanics when I just breeze through the game.
A part I truly loved about older games, was to build sets around a wall of a monster to beat it.
In rise my gear truly doesnt matter cause my superhuman fly zipping hunter just demolish every monster (except for the overtuned allmother/apex zinogre quests, those where fun and challenging)
@@Mumpinator Well, Rise was probably really easy for you because you've played previous Monster Hunter games before.
Great video! Loved the tone of the review and I watched to the end. I think a lot of people had a different experience with base rise than I did and I wanted to share of bit of that here.
I stared with World and GU and didn't finish either game yet, but when Rise came out I was completely hooked by the wirebugs and faster combat. Silkbinds are probably my favorite thing about playing the game. I loved the combat so much I spent the endgane of Rise learning every weapon! I didn't consider myself done with Rise until I had multiple loadouts for every weapon with multiple different layered rampage weapons, and it really came naturally. the 30+ fully upgraded rampages weapons I wanted kept me doing apexs and rampages. I did this with a hunting party of friends up until a few months before sunbreak came out. I think I got about 600-800 hours out of base rise I can't remember. Obviously I have been tearing up sunbreak and I'm at about 1100 hours now but I only just recently swapped over to a weapon besides my main. The new silkbinds and switch skill swap are so fun I never put it down until after Risen Teo. Now I'm just starting to restart my process in Sunbreak of going through every weapon and I think I'll easily get 2000+ before I put this game down. I fully expect wirebugs to leave us next gen and I know everyone is screaming for slower combat but I can't overstate how right this game got it for me. So to answer the question "do you really need matles at anomaly 120+" Yes I need so so many!!! Base Rise has a problem with having to find your own fun but I do believe I was rewarded for that dedication in Sunbreak.
Thanks for the video! Was a great watch
The amount of hours I’ve put into risebreak is also ridiculous. It was my first monster hunter game and it did such a good job I went on to playing others. I’m of the sentiment as well that rise got so many things right, it is more than “good enough”. I don’t think there is another game where simple traversal outside of battle is so damn fun.
Thank you for putting into words what I’ve been trying to explain for a while now. I will share this video often I’m sure
I feel like rise & sunbreak was a mixed bag of experimental gameplay ideas that might or might not return in the future. I have a few suggestions to get the best of both "Worlds" for mh 6:
-bring back health & stamina augments and consuming ancient potions & well done steaks to max out health & stamina, but also carry over attack and defense (red and orange) spiribirds.
-implement both World and Rise style endemic life together.
-keep a large (and crucially varied) roster of both large and small monsters (Sunbreak has the most small monsters at 23)
-add many environmental interactions for both hunters and monsters
-give every large monster armor (maybe also weapons?)
-no rng decos
-many turf wars
-a return of the old mounting system (with refinements)
-no mandatory mechanics introduced in the g-rank expansion (like clutch claw)
-game changing mechanics must be there from the start
Are these good points? It's 3:52 so I really need to go to sleep...
Only thing I disagree with is bringing back health augment. I think blood rite is the best way to handle life steal in a MH game to date. Other than that, I agree with everything else. I’d add bringing back switch skills, not silkbind attacks but switch skills. That system is too good to not be in every MH game going forward, idc if they have to change the name, just make it have a similar concept of being able to change the weapon move set.
I agree with some of your points but disagree with others.
- Please no more Spiribirds. I am so tired of playing MP and being halfway done with the hunt when people finish up collecting those silly things.
- Keep small monsters in, but please, for the love of god, stop making large monsters target them.
- MH needs some RNG to keep the grind going. I know how frustrating it is not to get a good talisman/deco after the 700th hunt, but instead of keeping the RNG away, they should make it less frustrating.
- I hate turf wars. They are fun to watch for the first time and after that they just eat away your time and make the hunt unnecessarily long while you can do nothing but watch.
- Mounting doesn't really do much for the game imo. Even if you ignore the fact that "old mounting" has always resulted in a loss of DPS, it just felt disrupting to me.
This is just my opinion, of course, and none of your points are objectively invalid. I see too many things through the lenses of a speedrunner, so I might be biased anyway.
@@Raisera I disagree on Turf wars , they are awesome, and honestly not even long. You can wait 15 seconds after all for free damage.
@@magnabueno5360 I understand where you are coming from, but under normal circumstances, being unable to attack the monster's weak spot easily due to Turf War animations leads to a loss of overall damage that can not be made up by the damage inflicted by the Turf War itself. But as I said before, I have a certain speedrunner bias, and you are not wrong; most Turf Wars look really cool and if people enjoy them or can make use of the free damage, I won't go full crybaby mode until Capcom decides to remove them (which will never happen anyway).
@@Raisera They could introduce an item(s) that break up Turf Wars, some sort of itemized pheromone or whatever. This would allow those who wish for the monsters to engage in combat to do so and give those who'd rather not deal with it to not.
I hope this ends up getting the infamy (In a positive sense) of jacob's Dos video, as "That ludicrously long video about 1 singular MH game that's controversial" or in short, "That 4 hour Rise video".
Praying for this to blow the hell up.
i second this LMAO
Unlike the Dos video, this one is actually good
If something is positives infamous... that's just famous.
Also yeah, this video is actually really good, unlike the Dos video.
infamy means famous for negative reasons. the word you're looking for is just famous
@Oceaniz
Agree about wirefalls making avoidance much simpler. One thing I did not hear you mention was the strategic cost. Wirefalling basically used at least one bug which means that bug is not available for special attacks. The more you use the bugs for avoidance the less you can use them to attack. This made for some moments in the game where I had to decide to either wirefall to get back in the fight quicker or save it for a big attack.
You gained a subscriber! Great video dude! 🙂👍🏻pretty long but it's a deep dive and a very well done one I think. Hope you are having a great day! ❤
I actually like the new poses and gestures and stuff from the event quests instead of just more of what I've already done clearing the game. Getting cosmetics or struts like that is basically the only reason I'll even touch event quests :/ otherwise I'll focus on clearing all the rank quests
The most glaring problem I think rise has is that it doesn't feel like you're hunting monsters in this one, I haven't played world and started with generations. And I loved the prep work and being dumped in the map having to search around and tag the monster once you find them. It felt like a hunt, rise just tells you where the monster is and all you really do is beat it up.
I have similar issues like that as well. What I like about World, is the slow paced hunts. You actually go outside, find where they are and hunt. In Rise, as you said, you already know where and you go to beat them up. The fight itself, when compared to World, is very fast paced... I like the gritty, rough, slow paced combat. It feels impactful from their weight. When they fall, attack, slams you to the ground. You're fighting THE MONSTER but in Rise, it doesn't feel like that. It feels like YOU'RE the monster. It's not the same. In World, they're quite dangerous but in Rise, I feel like I'm not threatened. If anything, I'm the one who's threatening. Coming into their home and just slaughtering them in 3 minutes. In World, it's at least 3-10 minutes and I like that more... Even if it is, time consuming. I work too like the others, but I know how to manage my time well.
I mean, mh rise and mhgu are about going crazy against the monster tho.
@@Asriel_Cypher try fight risen elders lol. They hit harder than most dads.
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That's just damage... What I'm talking about is different. It's the shaky and weigh of them. Like when even Barroth hits its head on the ground, there's a small shake to the ground. The visual presentation of it is very different to me.
I know its hard for some of you to understand but just showing big numbers dropped, is not the same as having them move the weight of their blows. They shift their body and then the ground was moved. There's a visual effect on the ground, showing that the ground moved, even if it's just a bit. Those types of things what makes it feel alive. Rise felt a little hollow.
@@Asriel_Cypher well it will be hard to do that with how fast mh rise is. And when it will be properly implemented, the amount of shaking will cause a magnitude 10 earthquake.
This video is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, i didnt even notice it was an almost 4 hour video when i start to watch it, really nice editing and your voice and topics are also well made, keep it up man!!
Absolutely loved this review!
I cannot fathom the amount of time and energy that went into creating this video. Not only that, making it interesting and enjoyable while not forcing the viewer into watching it all in one go is something absolutely commendable. This is without exaggeration one the best pieces of content in the platform. Amazing job with this
& I cannot fathom the amount of time & energy I’ve spent grinding anomaly rank without actually hitting the cap 😮
It's not even 2 minutes in, and you have me hooked. Your experience was the same as my own with the MH series. Though I was a bit older I suspect. (I'm almost 40 now)
My actual review of MH3:U for the 3DS when I borrowed the game from a friend was "It feels like the game and the system are fighting me every step of the way. Maybe when the hardware catches up to the vision of the game, I'll give it another look" That same friend is the one who talked me into MH:W and I havent looked back since. Its been great so far.
amazing video. about the feeling of the game not having content, i've also spent a bit of time thinking about a reason for this, and aside from the points you made, i think there's also the fact that builds are much more easy to complete compared to world, since as you said, talimans don't matter that much to closing builds but decorations on world were a nightmare to farm, and compared to older games as well, since you don't need to repeat quests that much to craft all gear pieces and the weapon of a specific monster.
While im not the biggest fan of monsters always being on the map, it is so cool to see valstrax running around during the ambush. You can feel it calculating where to hit in the brief moment it stands still
As someone who has unfortunately fallen on the side of "Not really liking" Rise much, this video did a fantastic job of exploring its pros and cons. Great job showing why people can and do both like and dislike it, good stuff.
I dropped playing a little after reaching High Rank, which I know from past Hunting experience is typically when the games "actually start" and begin to get really good, but I just hadn't meshed with the pacing and presentation up to that point, and didn't see that changing going forward. The arcade feel is nice for quick hunts, but I have other things that scratch that itch well enough already. I typically played MonHun BECAUSE it was an investment that I felt I was progressing in, and base Rise just wasn't giving that.
Which is a shame, because the new monsters are some of my absolute favorites in the series. The yokai inspirations are very clever and fun to see implemented.
The arguments for the improvements made in Sunbreak actually make me very intrigued though. The fact that ALL weapons can reach Rank 10, while perhaps a small feature, is something I've wanted since I started back in 3U, and is a huge selling point for me. The removal of Rampages, Apex fixes, and the weapon possibilities alone kind of make me want to give the game another shot to get there.
As a final point, I'm glad that you addressed your second point of why people find the content "lacking". I definitely think it's how fast hunts go now, coupled with how quick it is to fly through content. The content is there, and there is a lot of it. But it's like eating popcorn vs a full meal (representing the prior games): Popcorn is fun and can fill you up, but it just doesn't give you the same satisfaction as a well-paced meal. It's the illusion of not being satisfied, despite roughly the same result.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I bought rise because of summer sale, and i dislike the first couple of hours because it felt so braindead for me. But after i change my mindset about it, and approach the game just like it wanted me to think about it, i quite enjoy the village quest. Even if everything is fast paced as hell, the exploration is enjoyable and the vibe is kinda comfy.
But after the credits roll and the hub quest started, i felt like the difficulty jumps so high i can't even enjoy the gap. I breeze through low rank tetranodon but failed quest in HR so many times i even embarrassed to talk about it. It's not about "the game started here" problem, but the difference from low to high rank is very noticeable. It felt like the game forced you to think the game is very easy and newbie friendly at the beginning just to slap you suddenly without warning in the hub quest. And honestly, i really don't like that.
So after playing a couple of HR quest i can finally settle my feelings that i don't really like rise as a MH game.
I agree w you to a degree, but i dont agree with homie at alllll about the difficulty jump to high rank. like there is a little bump, but not enough that it should take you from "breezing through" to getting clapped. its a bit of a jump, but it shouldnt be flippin your game upsidedown or anything lol
@@twinkieinyomowf6033 Sorry for the confusion and not making it clear.
I dropped after reaching High Rank and doing a few hunts because there WASN'T enough of a difficulty jump. It was harder, sure. I Carted every now and then- it happens to everyone. But I still felt like I was playing most of the game on auto-pilot and still carving through hunts even after moving up from Low Rank.
It wasn't that the game was too hard, much more the opposite. That's why I dropped.
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I like MHR, and just started playing a couple days ago, but I still prefer MHW overall. In world, the monsters feel (to me) more intimidating and publishing. They're big predators that stalk and kill you, whereas Rise just feels like generic battle time. Mechanically, the fighting in Rise is a lot more fun, but every fight so far is pretty easy to just jump into and go, rather than all the stealthily studying my opponents from a safe distance beforehand I did in World.
Also, what really sold World for me was the tracking aspect. I LOVED having to find footprints and marks on the wall to track down the monster, rather than just instantly knowing where my quarry is and chasing it down. MHW really feels like "Monster Hunter" to me, and MHR is kinda just "Monster Fighter."
awesome video! I did skip some parts concerning some of Sunbreaks mission and story since I'd rather experience it myself soon. Also thanks for letting me know about the Grind that is armor augmenting in this game, I will definetely be using a mod to choose the augments I want, just like I already got a mod to give me a rainbow spiribird at the start of each quest.
the critisims of the ancient forest is what made me love it
The UI Scaler mod is downright mandatory for this game.
where has this been all my life
Not really? The ui is fine.
@@empatheticfrog2052 it's pretty shit. Worst offender got to be the map system at least just let me put marker on the minimap.
Deadass I played rise first, never noticed the UI, went back and played world. Then played rise again and was like “WHY IS THE UI SO DAMN BIG”
Never needed it, never will
i actually like the melding pot in rise over my experience grinding for one in 4u. In Rise you can get melding points from any monster which made it feel more rewarding for each monster part rather than having item build up dust in your chest. As well as it being integrated in a way i actually enjoy, using monster parts (the thing you make gear out of) to make talismans, which is basically a armor piece. compared to 4U where it felt like i stopping to spend time to mine in the middle of an already long quest. Or worse if you wanted to actually get good talismans at a reasonable rate you would repeat the same easy quest over and over until you get something passable. Overall my experience getting a good talisman in rise was far more enjoyable because i got it through the monsters i killed while in 4u it felt like i was spending hours doing nothing to get something just ok.
I would still Just rather have them be craftable
In my opinion Talismans/Charms should be 100% craftable (like skill decorations) with no RNG whatsoever. It would be so much better for it
4U had custom quests to farm for talismans though 😈
I never played a monster hunter game, but I absolutely love listening to the explanations. Nice work!
Personally, no. I'll never get over how they ruined Hunting Horn. World's HH was the best there ever was and they had to murder it by making it 'user friendly'.
I can understand why they wanted to change it around, it's been a consistent low use weapon and its not a stretch to assume that they would like a more broadly even distribution of weapon use and he horn was more mechanically dense than many would likely expect. Its just a shame they went too far with the simplification, I still enjoy using the weapon but I definitely don't feel the same level of satisfaction I did before because the need to use your buttons and combos just kinda dies when your buffs are up and you just overhead > encore on loop.
I'm sure you were being at least a little hyperbolic, but I thinks it's a bit unfair to tarnish all of rise just for the HH changes. Otherwise I could take the same approach to world due to my distaste for the hard pivot to TCS for GS and the absolute gutting of draw sniping from the older gens.
While I like characters with names better, I think characters going by their occupations or other titles was meant to tie into the apparent focus on community rather than individuals (or at least the focus I gathered). I think actual names suit post world monhun MUCH better though
I think it would also be nice if the game only showed how to get parts rather than percentages. Shows that breaking a raths head can give you a mantle but you don’t know the chances exactly
So just worlds stars again
great video! I agree with most of your points, besides the layered stuff being too easy to get, i thought the transmog system was a bit too tedious and i much prefer to have easy experimentation than doing that song and dance all over again. but i will say the early game clown suits have a certain charm to them and i definitely think that layered armor should be a late game thing, but i really hope that they don’t make layered armor go back to transmog system
First off, thank you for an amazing effort. Top notch video. I have two Monster Hunter game's. Still trying to get into them.
What a majestic video my dude. Watched the whole 4 - almost- hours couse I was hyped for Rise coming to ps5 and you delivered such a great analysis on the game! Fucking loved the concept of quests being different parts of the video!
As someone that's only played Worldborne and Risebreak, I think I enjoyed world's endgame more. Now, I hopped into world when Fatalis had launched, so for me, I really liked the linear path set out for me. Get Teostra gear, so I can beat raging brachy, so I can get raging brachy gear, so I can grind Safi, so I can beat Alatreon, so I can beat Fatalis. Minmax with mantles, palicos, item loadouts, weapon augments to reach a Best In Slot to try to fight Fatalis, a monstrous wall who will force me to make use of every aspect of my loadout.
As a hbg main one of my main complaints with world was the removal of the siege mode, because being unable to use your favorite playstyle sucks. So the delight of my fellow hbg users and my self when we were finally able to play human turret again was ecstatic, even more so when they made it good in tu3.
Great video to watch during a 12 hour boring workday thanks
Only 6 mins in, but the presentation and dedication to make such a long video digestible with splitting up in HR quests (genius lol), I gave you a like and sub :)
Here's hoping for some technical updates on the game pass version!
Im with you... BUT I gotta burst the bubble. That is highly unlikely unfortunately. The PC version was more or less the same, so GP version is f-ed 🥲🥲🥲
Fantastic video, a pleasure to watch!
Minor correction on the Spiribirds bit, they did not take away anything prior and replace them with spiribirds. Spiribirds provide up to 250 health & stamina, on top of the standard 100 + 50 from eating. This is completely standard across the series - you always reach maximum health with the Canteen. World modified Health Boost to provide an increase to 200, but that wasn't done because monsters were balanced for 200 health and they just wanted every player to use Health Boost. Instead, they wanted to provide value to a relatively defunct skill - not useless, absolutely has had a lot of use cases across various points of progression across many games (Bullfango mask in MHFU is a classic), buuuut was negated by the canteen pre-quest, and max/ancient potions in-quest. This made it useful, but significantly less so; saved resources and helped niche cases like a friend of mine who is not allowed to heal on any quest (meaning without Felyne Foodie or Health+50, they're stuck at 100 after the first cart), but those are extremely minor relative to the old amount of investment one may need to reach Health+50. Thus there's little usage of the skill relatively speaking. About as impactful as heat/cold negate past the early game - extremely niche, but at least those weren't costly? **To re-connect, overall point is that Health Boost 3 in World wasn't correlated to balance, and Spiribirds did not reduce the maximum health players have access to without engaging with the mechanic.**
Another mistaken interpretation is that Max/Ancient potions in Rise no longer provide increased health. This is technically true, but the reason is extremely simple: **Unlike every other iteration, you cannot physically lose your foods buffs including the +50 health and stamina bonus - no carting will ever cause that to be removed.** Thus, there's by definition 0 purpose for Max/Ancient potions to "increase" your health as the *only* case where they would be capable... would be if you didn't eat at the canteen. Which we now have access to at all times in-quest, again making even that option defunct. So, they simply out-mechanic'd the original mechanic and moved on. No correlation to spiribirds, just the canteen buffs.
To be even *more* clear, the developers are quoted to have implemented the Spiribird system as a difficulty setting, intending for experienced players to very liberally interact with them if at all. That sheds the most light on their intentions, but that doesn't absolve its issues as you've stated; effort doesn't indicate quality.
Banger video you have my like and subscribe.
Narwa is really interesting in that they play like a more traditional video game boss battle with their AOE and energy attacks designed for dodging and weaving.
My only experience with the series is the original on Ps2, where I played all the offline content, the Monster Hunter crossover missions in MGS Peace Walker and recently, Rise. Even with that limited experience, some of the issues you brought up with Rise were glaringly apparent to me. I'm loving the arcade nature of the game but so much of the experience feels stripped away or streamlined to the point of being irrelevant, with the breaking of parts being the big one for me.
Much as I'm enjoying Rise, I'm quite frustrated that Peace Walker, a non Monster Hunter game, did this better than Rise. In retrospect PW's mech bosses were drawing very heavily from MH mechanically and as such, shoving a Rathalos and a Tigrex in there was a perfect fit. Gear Rex in particular made breaking the parts feel almost mandatory unless you were really good at the fight, as it could do absurd damage. You had clear points of breakage, clear moment to moment incentive to do it and unique rewards tied to doing so. Where in Rise this still exists on paper, in reality breaking parts feels like nothing changes during an actual fight. Cutting off tails still does but I can break several parts in a couple seconds and the monster will not be impeded in any noticeable way by this. In both the original and the MGS crossover, breaking things made an immediately noticeable difference. Granted PW only had 4 big monsters iirc so it's a lot less work to make all these bespoke details there but considering that wasn't even an MH game, I don't feel wrong in expecting at least that quality out of MH itself. As a giant DMC fanboy I know damn well Capcom knows how to make large melee bosses that react appropriately to damage on different body parts with major incentive to focus on specific areas. Speedrunning Urizen in DMC 5 is all about exploiting a huge damage boost that occurs when hitting a specific part of his body in a short window after staggering him, on the RE Engine so why does Rise feel so hollow in regard to payoff for strategically aiming your hits when that's been a core part of MH since the original?
Monsters fighting each other was ruined for me as soon as I understood how Wyvern riding was implemented. Though I'm viewing it from a different perspective than you are. You see it as a problem because two monsters just means more opportunity instead of danger, I agree but feel it could and should be both. Yes you could very well have three beasties on your ass, but a smart player could feasibly use them against each other in a way that's far more skill based and creative than riding. My idea was to use myself as bait to keep them hitting each other by accident, rather than one or both just running away after a few hits. Riding is brain dead free damage and completely ruins the thrill of having a couple big boys throw down. Where instead learning to take advantage of the chaos, while risking multiple strong foes at once could've been really fun. Learn to use a particularly big beast as a shield, which would piss it off and make it lash out at the attacker. Very dangerous but very exploitable, a good risk/reward balance. Instead you either ride one or they stop fighting and run away from each other no matter what in my experience.
The wire bug is a mechanic I adore but I agree that the monsters really lack the means to counter it well. Considering the number of times I've been knocked out of a leaping slash from high ground with a greatsword like the monster knew exactly what I was trying to do, the fact they've got no idea how to deal with Spider-Man just sticks out.
Between how meaningless breaking parts feels in the moment and how maneuverable we are, the whole game feels very unga bunga. Except for Greatsword due to the glacial swing speed, I feel very little need to learn how a monster fights. I'm just rushing in and going mad, dodging when needed. I can very much treat it like a regular old hack and slash in most cases because I've got little reason to strategize around part breaking and I'm so mobile it doesn't matter how they fight when I can I-frame and close ground so fast. I play with GS half the time just because I'm forced to actually learn and respect these beasts before I can casually disrespect them with it.
Overall the system is fun as hell but the only thing that gave me the threatening feel of MH 1 and PW that I understand is core to the series, was trying Malzeno in the Sunbreak demo. That felt like a proper "do not fuck around here" threat.
But you've convinced me to get Sunbreak. I'm having a ton of fun with Rise but my gripes are big enough that I didn't see the expansion as worth getting if it was just more of Rise. From the way you've talked about it, Sunbreak sounds like the closest thing to a perfect experience I can get as someone who really appreciates some of the streamlining you've pointed out here while agreeing with a lot of flaws as well.
I'll probably have another comment, but I have to say this everywhere: spiribirds are the single worst addition to monster hunter since the dawn of time. I NEVER eat for anything other than bird caller at the top of my dango skewer, and still often slip bird caller deco into any build I can
Meh you don't even really need them, I don't see the problem, if I happen to have them in my path il take them and that's it.
This video honestly deserves more views
Really impressive video
I've only been through part one, but the amount of dedication and effort it takes to make something like this is insane. I Salute you brother!
I don't think I've had such a satisfied smile seeing a MH credits as I did with sunbreak.
Rise was my first monster hunter game. If you wanna get *extremely* technical, then it was stories 2, but rise was my first *Mainline* MH game, and is now one of my favorite games of all time. I started by borrowing it from the library, and I even beat it that way, and even though I would give it back because it started to get a little boring without sunbreak, I still kept going back because the fights were so goddamn fun. Then I got sunbreak and rise as one for Christmas and didn’t have to borrow it. TU3 was probably announced or released around when I got it, but there was still so much for me to do and I absolutely adored it and still do, and it’s kinda crazy how one game turned monster hunter into what might be my favorite franchise of all time. I do tend to wish (quite a lot) that the monsters were as fleshed out as they were in world, or that more of the maps were areas that could support monster combat, but there’s a reason I’ve sunk a little over 500 hours into it even with school constantly bearing down on me. I even ended up getting freedom unite emulated on my laptop because of it (even if I forget it’s there and this have not made enough progress to even slay a congalala or cephadrome or hell even a few cephalos). Despite all its flaws, I absolutely love this game and it has made me a devoted fan of the series who will absolutely return to the hunting grounds when MH6 inevitably releases
And now, even on top of Risen, we have Hazard quests and "Ex" Risen ! I love this endgame so much, even if I find it really hard to keep up with the anomaly ranks due to having much less time to play than before.
Thank you very much for the video !
A game with no content: I think the perception with Rise not having content (besides what you said) is that it doesn’t have content that matters.
Like in open world games that advertise hundreds of hours of content and end up being the same 4 missions with different make up. In world/iceborne there was little to no filler quest, every quest had an end to it whether it was just slaying a monster in a different local or helping you get the damn mini-crowns, they had a use other than having fun with it and even those made for pure fun (the three giant mosswines) were unique and to some point challenging, while in rise there are a lot of quests that have no bigger reward than "Fight these monsters AT THE SAME TIME".
I think this also correlates with the dlc discussion making us feel that these empty quests could have had some sort of reward just to be taken out to be sold
Are you implying rise is bad?
Also most of the rise event quests have high crown encounters tho.
Hum what? Iceborn had quest to fight monsters or fond another local? And ur saying that rise dont do exactly the same? 😯 I juste wanna ask "have played both games?" because I did and if I can agree I would like more health on some monster because quest are a bit too fast imo, on the other hand... Well iceborn and World works exactly tthe same in terms of mission building...
The “two tries to get into monster hunter” line was so funny cause that’s exactly what happened to me with starting the series at 4u
It took me like 3 lol but I would never get to high rank before , rise is the first one where I'm putting actual time in because it's a little faster. I'm still a noob but I've played it since psp days.
There are so many 3 hour videos on Monster Hunter and god damn I love it.
I’m a new sub and I love your videos. I really appreciate the way you segmented this video because it makes it easier to stop and consider if I should stop watching and get back to work! ADHD friendly.
The primary reason I take World over Rise is due to the world feeling, well, like the creatures actually LIVE in it, Rise it just feels random and heartless, with the wirebugs not exactly appealing to me either, I kind of miss the generations hunter skill arts stuff more honestly if I had to pick a skill system to stick with.
I mean, technically rise has more ecology than the previous old games except world.
Also, why do you not like wirebugs?
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 More doesn't mean better. Worlds has a much bigger emphasis on the maps and making it feel immersive, while Rise kinda went back towards a map being mainly interconnected arenas.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Rise is a bigger pond but much more shallow
@@tsunamie1015 the maps in world fucking suck
Hello, MH1 vet here, there is a misconception about the series that you seem to have. There has always been a split in the series that began with the dev teams in MH Dos, this split showed itself fully within the differences between the Portable and Main series games. This difference being that the Portable series has always valued mechanical difficulty and weapon mastery over the more grounded and tool based combat of the Main series. If you want a good example of this look at the differences between MH4 and MHG. The Main series has always been aimed at bringing in new fans while the Portable series has always been aimed at the more hardcore of the fanbase. You can look to the countless dev team interviews over the 18 years of this series to get an understanding of that. I also find it odd that you refer to Rise as "casual" when there were and still are countless interviews that state the game was created primarily for the hardcore Japanese audience that did not enjoy World's more laid back style. Both styles of gameplay have their value, we as a community need to stop this endless bickering that has started to divide us, because at the end of the day we are all MH fans. Though they may be different it is all Monster Hunter and our shared love of the series should be what binds us. On a similar note, I find it extremely odd that you say that Rise is not for the "core" fanbase. When everything about its Monsters and Weapons is a love letter to the veteran community that came before. In short thank you for your time and I sincerely hope you remain a fan of this wonderful series.
I mean world was a mixed bag in terms if difficulty,
Base world was a joke difficulty wise and iceborne got insane difficulty spikes.
On the other hand Rise is kind of a middle point between world and iceborne.
Atleast that's what it seemed like to me
@@wakipai3D Difficulty is often subjective, I personally didn't find any point of World ( Base or Icebourne) to be difficult. But, by mechanical difficulty, its referring to the weapon mechanics themselves, along with more aggressive monsters. It's something that over the years the Portable team has prided themselves on. Whereas the Main team's sense of difficulty has always come from use of tools and outsmarting the monsters. By tools I'm referring to the fact that flash bombs etc. Have more of a use within those games. The easiest way to describe it would be that in the Main series you hunt the monsters, whereas in the portable series you fight the monsters. That and difficulty does not exactly mean hard, it's mainly just a way of explaining what each game expects of you. My favorite analogy comes from the Directors of both games, " in the Main series we want you to see that these creatures are part of nature, in the Portable series we want you to see why the people of this world revere them as gods." Thank you by the way for taking the time to read and reply I always love hearing other peoples perspectives, I hope you will continue being part of this wonderful MH community.
I ain't readin allat😭🙏
Monster hunter rise isn’t a cakewalk for you guys? Wtf…
@@thetechrealist I haven't struggled with a Monster Hunter since MH1. But Rise does have more challenge than World. Especially when it comes to variable difficulty in set building. Rise has brought back challenge sets which make for a more fun gameplay loop.
Took me a couple days but overall great video! :)
I'm new to the franchise and have about 30h~ on the game now, while I feel a little spoiled on some stuff I like seing that there's a lot of stuff left for me on the game and how it's different from other delivers
1:33:00 I really appreciate the game giving detailed breakdowns of all the drops and methods to obtain them.
Every other MH game I'd just be looking that info up anyway, anytime I needed a specific drop. This just cuts out the middleman, giving me the info directly in the game.
You also still have to get the drop at least once in the first place, so some of the more hidden ones will still make you work for the info.
like diablos fang+ (~10% on carve/hunt/cap). I just had to headbutt diablos for a while to figure that one out; the part name (and drop rarity) almost implied there was a third head break I was missing (after breaking both horns off).
Before I even finish the video. Yes. It’s good enough. Especially through the lens of it being a portable entry developed by the portable team. Not the team that developed World. Theoretically they could’ve ignored most of what world brought to the series but they kept a decent amount while still maintaining the “portable” mh feel that you can tell a decent chunk of fans missed. World had a lot of tedium injected into it despite everything they shaved off to streamline the series. I’m glad those things stayed in world but now I’m terrified gen 6 will be more of the same.
A bit late but something that I believe sunbreaks story did really well is as you mentioned actually having malzeno injure foirane. She was the first character in all of monster hunter who actually pitched up and DID SOMETHING. I think it’s a bit over looked how much it did to sell the story. The first character in all of monster hunter to say ‘we did it’ and I didn’t have a snarky comeback along the lines of ‘no I did it you were hiding’ and melzeno injures and poisoned her. For me at least that changed the player monster rivalry from, ‘next time we meet I’m going to beat you just to prove I can’, to ‘oh now now you’ve done it and when I get the chance I am going to obliterate you’.
Before it always felt like I had no personal reason to hunt the boy on the box besides that he was a big scary dino who tried to mess with me when I was a newbie, good for your first mh game but after that it doesn’t have the same affect because you know more or less where the boi on the box sits on the food chain and you just came from the previous game where you stood toe to toe with black dragons. But malzeno brings back that sense of malice and gives me a vendetta against him even as someone who has been with mh since the days of pokke village and having to personally tend to the farm
Great video btw
in his defense Aiden (the excitable A-lister) does help once or twice in mhw, I believe with velkana then for many people the more impactful fatalis fight since he sacrifices himself to push the hunter to safety. For me he was the first one who I finally wasn't annoyed with and it seemed the rise team really took note of how people actually liked a character helping and not just taking credit for the hunters work and went ham with npc helping for specific quests.
Awesome video. Very insightful. I’m new to monster Hunter and I feel good about getting invested in this game after having seen this breakdown of the game
Citadel is so massive I got lost for quite a while in multiple parts. The scrolls are still way more reasonably hidden than the main game like the Jungle, and I found all of them on my first expedition, even if it was like 5 hours. I STILL can’t find all the base game scrolls.
Very well put. I sooo agree on the Sunbreak endgame, I'm having an absolute blast with it, far more so then even Iceborne. The anomaly quests/investigations are sheer perfection imo, and it looks like they're paying a bit of attention to the rng slog that is Qurios armor crafting via being able to target either skills or defense now, hopefully they tweak it further. On the topic of anomaly coins and parts, you get waaaayyyy more rewards there in the higher levels, but I definitely agree that they lower levels could use a bump in reward numbers.
Hit the nail on the head with wyvern riding and it trivializing invader monsters. Between that and maps, I'm really missing the fear of needing to sneak around carefully in order to scope out what's actually on the map at any given point.
Also fully agreeing on Kamura's characters, there's supposedly this horrible calamity coming and everyone's scared, but everyone just acts super goddamn cheerful all the time like nothing is wrong. It all felt really flat (and that lottery music needs a mute button).
As for comparisons to World, I replayed World/IB, I think its been 5, 6, 7 times now? Absolutely adore that in its full package, I have no problem just deleting an existing character I have to make room for a new one, because the whole thing is just great. I can't say the same for base Rise, overall I really didn't have a lot of fun there. I'm only replaying through it a second time because I got stuck on wanting to play through it with a fan character and didn't want to erase my existing one. In this case I'm happily taking the defender weapon in order to slog through Rise as quickly as possible just so I can get to SB, because Sunbreak's general gameplay is so good for me that I think that alone is making it surpass World/IB for me, not even taking into acount everything else that it improved upon (Follower system my beloved, I've been wanting you for so long).
Definitely agreed on the replayability of World vs Rise. I've done 3 full characters in World but honestly don't have the desire to do so in Rise.
I don't understand how people can replay ANY game in the series tbqh. MH is a one-file game as far as I'm concerned, no way I would ever want to grind everything all over again, especially since a lot of it is RNG related. I spent literally a thousand hours playing World, for Christ sakes. If/when I play Rise/World again on my Steam Deck I'm modding a bunch of my stuff back in and giving myself god charms lol.
@@PoeSlayer75 How can you even replay world? The unskippable cutscenes are horrible and why would you even replay a mh game?
I think the only thing that keeps me from replaying World are the unskippable cutscenes, I don't know how you can stomach it. Even the best, well-crafted story (which World doesn't even have) should have a skip option for replayability.
I don't get why they held the cutscenes to such high regard to stop anyone from skipping them, the characters don't even have names.
i bought the extra bit of plastic that made the camera controls workable.
Every map has an Easter egg endemic life and they’ll wave to you! (Except for Monk Snail) I love that so much.
100% with you on the remake of 4U that game was what got me into this series and some of its monsters where extremely unique, looking at you seltas and seltas queen, I'd like if it had the open zones of rise but the old school healing and item usage, it felt a lot more strategic to wait till a monster had a pause phase and then know its safe to heal/sharpen but I know this may never return as the majority of players are from world and it's introduction of updated healing animations and Capcom don't want to alienate or upset them with that backstep, also I need a new dalamadur fight and gozmagios return, I want my glowy frowny face boi back
seltas and seltas queen are deadass probably my favourite monsters in the series, there really is nothing else like them
That was a really good point about the game's lower difficulty making the game feel like it has less content. I think it's a combination of that and the fact that Rise has much fewer TRULY NEW monsters than World and Iceborne, many of the returning monsters having been in World Iceborne themselves. So it's probably that a lot of people who played World are coming to the game and not experiencing anything near the novelty they got in World, even if they were a veteran by that point. People say that Rise has just as many new monsters as other games, but a huge proportion of them are actually just variants of existing ones, with a pallette and element swap, which isn't even really worth half of a new monster.
And Espinas is an old monster from Frontier (Asia exclusive)
Are you implying mh rise as “?bad”?
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 not bad... just sloppy as hell in a way MH has not been for over a decade.
@@shithoagie I mean, the development of it originally being a 3ds game, having to change to open maps, putting some world influence into a pre existing game design, the whole of 2020, and the capcom leak might have affected development you know.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 as one of the largest video game developers, those aren't excuses. It's not like they're making Red Dead.
Same goes for Gearbox and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, which is really weird and unstable as a result of being a "work from home" situation.
The Gathering of the Qurio Quest really was special. Some of the older games actually did stuff like this as well, in less overt fashion. As an example, I remember in that one quest the Tigrex first appears in in Freedom Unite, the Popo it preys on (and that you are supposed to gather from) are notably absent from their usual habitat. The Epioth in the quest you first meet Lagiacrus in also have slightly altered spawns, because the Lagiacrus is near. Environmental story telling can do SO much in gameplay-focused series like this one and, even as someone, who grew tired of cutscenes and video game stories a while ago, I can really appreciate stuff like this - stuff that lets me experience the story by having to interact with its implications.
On that note - I'm not sure yet if this will come up - Rise absolutely botched Magnamalo in my opinion. You can actually encounter Magnamalo in free hunt expeditions after it first interrupts a rampage and is painted as this hyper dangerous menace. Problem is, unlike other flagship first appearances, this is NOT an overpowered super version. This is regular old Mag, slayable on sight if you know what you're doing. Sure, a new player might get caught offguard by the moveset, but the point is that it's very much killable before it's supposed to be in the story and it undermines everything. It's especially baffling because they had a perfectly OP Magnamalo in the demo preceeding the game's release. That one instilled more respect than the low rank one carrying the story. EDIT: okay. I should not comment mid-video lol
Hi. Old World vet here. Just popping this comment to let you know that I for one 100% agree with your thoughts on environmental story telling in this series we all love. Like yourself, I absolutely loved what they did with the Gathering of the Qurio quest as well as all the other examples you listed from previous titles. It's amazing how immediately different an area or map feels when the wildlife that is always abundant and constant is suddenly gone. It casts the shadow of dread over both the area and the player. Not to mention that it makes those quests and moments in the story all the more memorable and impactful. After doing Gathering of the Qurio, I thought to myself: "I wish World/Iceborne had done some stuff like this." The environments it had were very immersive and this kind of story telling would've been perfect for it the main story. What with all the monsters being forced out of their usual habitats into unlikely areas. Would've been cool to see the immediate effect they had on the ecosystems they were invading as you played through the story.
I wish the apexes were as large in the regular hunts as they were in rampages. The massive kaiju battle feel during the rampages was the best thing they had going for them.
"I could sit here every all day and talk criticize this game, but I'd rather keep playing"
-Edits a Rise Review for days on end
I really liked this deep dive, and I am impressed by how fair and impartial it was. There are a few things I disagree with, but by and large, this was an interesting perspective.
good god you have no idea how STARVED i am for playing more rise finally
all i did for the past month is play for the sake of recording...
@@Oceaniz you're crazy dude ... XD
But honestly the video is really good , probably the best I've seen talking about rise sunbreak
I've discovered you with this video and it's a really really good first impression