I like the 4Runner. Bombproof, ultra reliable and simple. 500K mile vehicle with proper maintenance. No turbo and no massive hybrid battery to replace in 10 years.
@@verlaryder What the boomers really mean to say is, legendary reliability while they neglect maintenance and don't change their oil for 15,000 miles 😄everybody always tells one story, then the sales statistics tell another, some people will just never be happy
@@zoombadkHopefully that trend will continue. Toyota seems to be having some unexpectedly serious issues with their new trucks at the moment. I’m not sure I would jump into any newly released vehicle from any manufacturer right now.
thats assuming you can find a dealer that will sell it to you at MSRP... I called around to every lexus dealer in my area before buying a 2024 LC, they all said it would be 8-12 months to get one and a 15k markup.
@@wedemmoez our dealership promised MSRP on a GX550 Overtrail, but they're sitting with a list of about 300 potential buyers ahead of us, and no clear answer for when the vehicle might actually be available. We ultimately opted for the tried and trusted 4Runner, and we'll reevaluate in a few years once the new versions have been sorted out a bit more. At the very least, the last for the 5th Gen 4Runners should hold value pretty well, since it seems like a lot of people are attached to that trim level, its history, and its reliability.
Just got the new first edition. Have 4Runners as well and I am really impressed with the new Land Cruiser. Power is way smoother and kicks in right away on highways etc. so far it’s my fav toyota and I have had them all over the last 20 years. . Power diff is huge. Huge.
I would still pick the 4Runner...although I love the new LC. I just think in 10 years, everyone will look back at the 5th Gen as the epitome of Toyota engineering & reliability. No complicated electronic systems, just buttons where buttons should be with an engine & transmission, simple, straightforward & reliable at a reasonable value. (though I'd be coming from my FJC, so the 5th Gen IS a relative luxury upgrade for me) Having said all of that...the new LC is sweet.
I’ll never get rid of my FJC by choice! That said, with a bun in the oven, I may need an additional hauler when they get older! Maybe the LC 250 will be proven/dekinkified
And this is precisely why I went with a CPO LX 570 over the new GX/LC. When you sit in them back-to-back, you find that the LX/LC 200 is objectively a better built machine. Engineered and built in a different world than today's.
@@Marvilalove The 4runners doesn’t look cheap, but when you feel the land cruise om how thin/light the trunk is, that’s a different story. I suggest you feel both and compare both and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Otherwise you’re just in denial.. that 4runner also has better quality than a Tesla too. Just give it a feel. I do it every day working at a body shop. The only fool here is the ones that are being fooled with just looking at their eyes.
Just bought a 2013 GX... I originally had the Land Cruiser on order, but interest rates and overall lack of desire for a car payment led me to a cash car. The Land Cruiser is sick though. I will own one in the future most likely.
Great choice! The GX460 is one of my favorite vehicles ever. I wanted one but ended up with its Toyota variant (Land Cruiser Prado), the previous gen of the one in this video, offered with the same V6 the 4runner had.
got the chance to buy my dream truck almost 2 years ago, a TRD OFF ROAD 4Runner. I found your videos while researching it and thanks to you it made me want it even way more! Seeing one in the channel always makes my heart warm lol. havent stopped watching since. in future videos would like to see how the sway bar disconnect behaves in already stressful situations.
Nothing moonman said had anything to do with another generation. 2010 4runner $10-12k 2024 4runner $60k+ Same engine amd mostly everything else. I'd get a 2010 too for the price they're at now
@@Blvck0ne oh yeah, all day long. If you need a loan to buy something you are either broke or buying a vehicle you can’t afford. Easily write a check for a rust free 2010 in great shape.
I am not a fan of what they've done with the hybrid battery here. It is in the cargo area, which is not good if you have wet items in the rear or something leaks back there. It requires you keep several vents clean and unblocked in a cargo area in order to have airflow to keep the battery cool. And I have heard that the deck lid at the very rear, designed due to the battery location, can only support 150 lbs; again in the cargo area where that little area could see some weight, though it might be in only odd circumstances.
LOL at some of these comments. For the vast majority of 5th Gen 4Runner owners, the top complaints have been how the 4Runner is hopelessly outdated and underpowered in 2024 standards. Now that they have seen the 6th Gen (and the LC250), the 5th Gen is suddenly back to being Toyota's irreplaceable chariot of the gods. You simply can't squeeze any more power and torque out of that naturally aspirated V6. Toyota gave what the whiners complained about - more power. The result? Even more whining than before. LOL!!!
I actually like how long Toyota keeps their models around for. It shows that the vehicle is reliable and dependable for several years to come. And I like old school simplicity of their vehicles; no constant rotation of complicated bells and whistles that no one needs or really uses, which goes out of date within a year or two that other truck and SUV brands employ. Toyota's dependable conservatism is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
I wouldn't touch those new vehicles with a 10-foot pole especially when something reliable is available. Some people are just too trendy and can't help themselves because they care too much with other people think & say... Got to think for yourself haha
You never should have gotten rid of the grey TRD Off Road you bought. Should have driven it until the wheels come off. Newer designs are becoming too focused on tech and not the basics like engines that work and reliable transmissions.
Haven’t seen much yet diving into the 2.4kw onboard power. Any chance to do a demonstration of that feature, like using it while the vehicle is off and seeing how the engine can start automatically to fill the battery back up?
It’s like any other Toyota hybrid. You have to have the vehicle on. You have to push the button every time you start the vehicle. It’s an inverter that works off the high voltage battery. So if you’re running all 2.4kw I suspect it will run often.
@@TobyCostaRica sorry yeah I meant engine off with the vehicle in whatever accessory ignition mode it needs to be in. I just think it’s super useful when out camping or similar. Can even lock the car up and have an extension cord out to a tent for running a fan or heated blanket all night. Pulling 2-400 watts continually would last a good few hours before the engine would kick on, charge up the HV battery before turning back off automatically for another few hours. Or run a host of morning essentials like coffee maker, electric griddle etc and just let the vehicle turn on for a few minutes every so often without any additional input by the user.
@@ALMX5DP it won’t let you lock the car, with the size of the battery, and the specs I can have AC running inside my Sienna van for 15-20mins depending on ambient temp before the van starts for 5 mins. Best use based on my knowledge is to transfer power to a portable battery like a Delta Max 2
@@drivingsports there's your next video. Old vs new. I personally would still take the last Gen. I think it looks better and has unmatched reliability.
@@drivingsports yeah, that was a premium compared to the low quality of the new land cruiser. You can feel the low quality on that light trunk of that cheapily made cruiser. NOT THE SAME
VERY relevant comparison! I am a 2 time 5th gen owner, so I love this! I put a Magnuson supercharger in my 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road, and no more slow lol. It wasn't cheap though lol
Nice to see you break out the tape measure on the ground clearance. I have been questioning the details across the different trims for a while now. Thanks for that but of info.
The 4Runner with that 4.0 liter engine is indestructible. Why can’t things be simple and basic? The Land Cruiser is not. I’d get a 4Runner and never look back.
A lot of ppl have been wondering where this Land Cruiser draws its styling from? Well my uncle in Nicaragua owned a 1992 Land Cruiser prado which at the time was an offshoot of the 70 series land cruisers with a more plush utilitarian use rather the commercial ones. This Land Cruiser draws it’s inspiration completely from that model first gen prado
Thank you for the excellent videos and car reviews! Could you please do a snow review video for the new Land Cruiser and GX550 at some point? It would be great to see how these vehicles perform in snowy and icy conditions.
Ok Bryan, I’ve had about enough of your 4Runner hating. Not everyone wants all the bells and whistles and new “tech”. Well shit, it does seems like everyone wants that now days. I’m the odd ball out I guess. Eh, they’ll bury me in my 5th gen. Never giving it up!
You are literally paying for a downgrade for this cheaply quality made vehicle. Did you feel the trunk? MAN toyota got you big time😂 not only that and it’s smaller
I actually passed on my allocation I received for the exact same LC and bought the exact same TRD Pro 4runner. I love both but I want to see what they will offer in the packaging on the LC and the new 4runner over the next couple years.
@@drivingsportsjust say what everyone knows, I bought this junk because it will help me make more money with my channel you . I will see how fast you will flip when it’s going to be recalled like tundra
No front locker for 77k lmao...so overpriced...you really need to compare it to the new gen 4-runner coming out and the off road models... although those prices will be ridiculous also
Toyota separated them by making this off road capable with full time 4wd whereas the off road, trd, trailer hunter new 4Runner is only part time. The limited and platinum get full time but are street oriented in the new 4R
The 4.0 L V6 is under tuned for longevity. The 2.4 is over tuned for 2023 emissions standards. Turbos recycle exhaust for combustion. Use premium fuel and let the oil cool down after a minute or so before turning off and you can still get longevity out of the 4 cylinder’s though. Toyota still makes a good engine.
I love everything about my 5th gen 4Runner, EXCEPT the gas mileage but I wouldn't spend around $60k to solve that problem especially with the longevity issues associated with a hybrid/turbo 4cyl. I'll give it a few years and then re-evaluate. But RUclipsrs always upgrade and encourage the latest-greatest because it drives content.
I saw my first land cruiser on the road yesterday and have to admit it looks good. It's a shame to know what's under the hood and you'll be lucky to get 100,000 miles out of it
I have anticipated a comparison video like this one! I was contemplating between the new LC 1958 and the last year of the 5th gen 4Runner and I put down a deposit on a 4Runner TRD offroad premium this week. I’ve always wanted one and figured I could always sell it down the road and get near what I paid for it new. I want to see how the LC performs over the next few years.
Ryan! I am stoked for you. This is a great choice for you for all the reasons you chose it. Vehicle buying should not be 1 size fits all. A LOT of people won't agree this was worth the money, and for them, that is true. For you, I think it was. Primarily because of what you said about features. I would not take the 2024 TRD Pro for what it is over the LC you just bought. I hope it gives you years of reliable fun. Are you going to swap out tires? Are the wipers rain sensed? Did you say it has adaptive cruise? In our state, those things have become features I would very much like to have had on my old 2018 4R TRD OR. But I did not buy it for amenities, I bought it for its rugged long lasting capabilities.
What is your opinion on the Land Cruiser requiring 91 octane while the Tacoma with the same i-Force Max only requires 87? The premium gas may be a dealbreaker.
@@montechie The strange thing is both the Tacoma and LC are rated for the same HP and torque figures. I wish Toyota would address this and let us know what the discrepancy is.
The 4 runner will be in the shop alot less for sure, normal maintenance etc....the cruiser is really cool, but with all that "new tech" comes all the new problems, bugs to get worked out etc...Again, I really like them both but their way to expensive. At least for someone like myself, average yearly income, which in today's standards puts me hovering in the poverty zone!
I hope you'll redo this video when the new 4Runner comes out. I know you said you're preferring the new comfort and tech stuff. As my vehicles have leaped forward in tech over the last decade (newest was a 2020 Stinger GT2), I've started heading in the opposite direction. The older tech/design of the 4Runner kind of appeals to me.
Panhard bar mounts could be a reason why the LC flexed better on this test. The 4Runner's panhard bar mounts to the axle on the driver side which might limit driver side droop. The LC's passenger side droop might be limited for the same reason.
First thing needed: new tires (such as Falken Wildpeak A/T’s). *For the 4R: ‘S’ is not ‘sport’, it’s ‘sequential’, to keep it in and/or control which gear it’s in. C’mon, you should know this!!!
What is going on with these prices! I’ll take the 4Runner trd pro! Fully loaded interior tried and true engineering, regular fuel, and way more affordable
$77k+ vs $55k? Not sure that jump is worth it. I don't think either are really. I bought a 4R TRD ORP in Lunar Rock and slapped most of the TRD Pro parts on it for ~$12k less than a TRD Pro would've been. I'm totally happy with it and it's basically the same vehicle. The 4R platform will last forever. We have no idea how long these Land Cruiser hybrid systems will do long term. Probably ok but still, it's unproven.
Just curious, for the money, why did you end up skipping over the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail? Its in the same price ball park, Lexus generally has better quality standards and overall it has better performance then the LC, larger tires, more trunk space and better towing numbers. Love the look of your Land Cruiser though better than the lexus and Land Cruiser is a better nameplate in my opinion haha.
There's a few reasons to go with the LC trim + Premium Package over the GX. The LC is equipped much better than the GX550 OT, but is roughly $12k cheaper than the similarly equipped OT+. The GX also has abysmal real world mileage, whereas the LC can exceed 20 mpg. I also prefer the physical HVAC controls. Admittedly, the First Edition trim is a bit overpriced.
Same 265/70r18 (32.5 or "33s") tyres on LC250 and GX. Only the lowest LC trim has smaller 245/70r18 (31.5"). Of course you don't need to swap the OEM ATs on Overtrail, whereas the LC ones can go off right on dealer's lot. Rest is true of course. But the way Toyota market segments is that you can never have all the features you want :- )
Glad you bought a Land Cruiser. I’ve had a first edition for 2 months and it’s been so great. Just took it off-roading today. Your channel is 1 of only 3 I subscribe to. Thanks for the great content
Just trying to make yourself feel better that you aren’t the only one that is a sucker for paying so much. You know this so don’t deny. You guys are the reason why Toyota keeps raising prices. This is a freaking Prado dudes for $80k and that’s IF you didn’t pay mark up which Toyo RUclips fan boys usually don’t. Just unsubscribe. Sorry.
@@frankc5739 I don’t need to make myself feel better about anything. You clearly do. I can tell you watch all the negative click bait on RUclips targeted towards stupid people that are easily influenced. Sorry you can’t drop 80k on a truck bud, write it in your diary. I don’t want to have to reply to your pathetic, insecure, loser bullshit. Get a life
Tell me how you justify getting a Land Cruiser when the 2025 4Runner will have the same engine. Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot by killing all their reliable vehicles
@@bobsacamano6402 I don’t have to justify shit. Bought it and love it. How do you justify buying a 14 year old truck with an interior of a public bus that rides like ass? It’s under warranty and it’s just a truck. Not my whole life ;)
Making trips to Costco & daycare I’ll take the Land Cruiser. BUT if I’m conducting combat operations, I’ll take the 4Runner all day! It’s like a Glock, it just works every time.
Lets recall the recent tacoma engine problem and also the tundra which both have a 2.4T(as the land cruiser does and that the new 4runner will have) and a 3.5T (as the sequoia does) - both with problems. So, all this capability is actually useless if you cant make it back or, eventually you do, but then you have to worry about how to deal with warranty lawyers... I think I will stick to my 4runner for while, hoping the new engine problems get solved out sooner than expected.
Caveat: on road manners of 4Runner equipped w/ KDSS probably rivals the Land Cruiser. Sway bar is also beefier on KDSS models for minimal body roll. 4Runner w/ KDSS also has increased articulation under 12mph with essentially a disconnectable sway.
It'd be nice if you took the same line for the articulation section in both vehicles. Also, as you must surely know, the best 4Runner model for articulation is the TRD Off-Road with KDSS, as it disconnects (hydraulically) both swaybars below 12 mph. I've never given two hoots about all of the electronic nannies as I enjoy driving my vehicle and having as much control over it as possible. The only thing that I like on the new Prado is the Torsen centre-diff, but again, only for paved road, mixed condition (snow and rain) driving , as you still want to lock the centre diff for maximum slow speed, technical and difficult off-road conditions. Funny how we are - 3 years ago you could buy the best (non-70 series) Land Cruiser in the world (the LC200) for $86000 in the US, and now you're paying $77000 for a Prado :) Imagine getting rid of the top of the line Supra and giving consumers the GR86 for the same price and having them thank you for it - good one Toyota!!!!
I had a dream i sold my 4Runner. Woke up in a panic and went straight to my garage and made sure it was still there. My 4Runner is my 4Ever truck
I'll sell my 3rd gen eventually. But I've had dreams it was stolen
😂😂same here 😂😂😂
That ain’t no dream buddy that’s a Nightmare 😂funny I had the same one only I found a jeep in my garage 😅
I dreamt I sold mine as well one time, I woke up so relieved it was a dream lll
I like the 4Runner. Bombproof, ultra reliable and simple. 500K mile vehicle with proper maintenance. No turbo and no massive hybrid battery to replace in 10 years.
yep i just bought the trd pro in terra last weekend because of that
My Prius hybrid has been running well for 15 years no replacement
Thanks Boomer. Time for bed.
@@ThirdBrainLives Lol! Bet I’m younger than you bruh. Grow up
@@MrMikeDao You are on borrowed time now… ⏰
4R has legendary longevity. Can’t say the same about these new Toyota turbo charged vehicles. Only time will tell
def not this generation, new stuff tends to have problems. Once they fixed it in the following years then were back to business.
Were you alive in 1986? There were Turbo 4Runners back then: ruclips.net/video/hMt6i13UP7o/видео.html
@@verlaryder What the boomers really mean to say is, legendary reliability while they neglect maintenance and don't change their oil for 15,000 miles 😄everybody always tells one story, then the sales statistics tell another, some people will just never be happy
If you are talking legendary longevity that is Toyota Land Cruiser the longest lasting car out off all cars in the world.
@@zoombadkHopefully that trend will continue. Toyota seems to be having some unexpectedly serious issues with their new trucks at the moment. I’m not sure I would jump into any newly released vehicle from any manufacturer right now.
I asked my wife if she wanted to get rid of her 4Runner and get a GX or Land cruiser. "Absolutely not" was her reply.
I asked mine if she wanted 4Runner, GX, or Land Cruiser and had the same response.
Smart wife, better life 🙂
I asked my wife if she wanted to get rid of her GX 470 or my LX 470 and get a 4 runner. “Absolutely not” was her reply 😂😂😂
Once you get up to the $77 thousand plus range I think I would just go with the Lexus GX 550 Over Trail.
thats assuming you can find a dealer that will sell it to you at MSRP... I called around to every lexus dealer in my area before buying a 2024 LC, they all said it would be 8-12 months to get one and a 15k markup.
@@wedemmoez our dealership promised MSRP on a GX550 Overtrail, but they're sitting with a list of about 300 potential buyers ahead of us, and no clear answer for when the vehicle might actually be available. We ultimately opted for the tried and trusted 4Runner, and we'll reevaluate in a few years once the new versions have been sorted out a bit more. At the very least, the last for the 5th Gen 4Runners should hold value pretty well, since it seems like a lot of people are attached to that trim level, its history, and its reliability.
@@wedemmoezthen you mine as well get an LX if there marking up the GX. How do you like your LC?
@@wedemmoezhave you asked around Cleveland?
Just got the new first edition. Have 4Runners as well and I am really impressed with the new Land Cruiser. Power is way smoother and kicks in right away on highways etc. so far it’s my fav toyota and I have had them all over the last 20 years. . Power diff is huge. Huge.
$60K for cloth seats, and $80K for some buttons, under armor, and changing lights. What upside world are we living in that a Toyota costs that much!?
I'm going to get a slightly used Nissan Frontier Pro-4x and call it a day at 36k. People gotta wake up
Nissan is trash @@oliverallen5324
@@oliverallen5324Yeah, Toyota has always been expensive.
I'd pay extra for cloth seats. Besides, the previous Land Cruiser was over $100k, so thats progress.....
😂 tell me you don't offroad without telling me.
No way 77k for a 4cyl....
Laughable
Well duh you bought a land cruiser you’re a youtube channel. 4runner still the better choice unless you need views on videos.
Boom!
I don’t like that the LandCruiser requires premium fuel.
Premium fuel in USA is basic petrol in the rest of the 1st world.
Huge detail that needs to be mentioned more often
I'll keep my 1st gen sequoia. Bulletproof V8!
Definitely. I want one
the craziest thing, the 4R still looks good!
With all regards to the progress been made...
1. The 4R looks so much better and sexier than the LC!
2. All the tech on the 4R is old? GOOD !!!
I would still pick the 4Runner...although I love the new LC. I just think in 10 years, everyone will look back at the 5th Gen as the epitome of Toyota engineering & reliability. No complicated electronic systems, just buttons where buttons should be with an engine & transmission, simple, straightforward & reliable at a reasonable value. (though I'd be coming from my FJC, so the 5th Gen IS a relative luxury upgrade for me) Having said all of that...the new LC is sweet.
Think people will always look at the previous generation with each iteration
I’ll never get rid of my FJC by choice! That said, with a bun in the oven, I may need an additional hauler when they get older! Maybe the LC 250 will be proven/dekinkified
And the 4runner doesn't spy on you while you drive , like some creep in the bushes.
And Toyota will be unreliable by then.
Oh, how the car world gets worse every year…
And this is precisely why I went with a CPO LX 570 over the new GX/LC. When you sit in them back-to-back, you find that the LX/LC 200 is objectively a better built machine. Engineered and built in a different world than today's.
The 4unner looks 100 times better!
SPOT On ! And Engine will Have Longevity and Reliability that all the vehicles on this new platform will never ever SEE !
No it does not, it looks cheap
@Marvilalove. 🤦
@@Marvilalove The 4runners doesn’t look cheap, but when you feel the land cruise om how thin/light the trunk is, that’s a different story. I suggest you feel both and compare both and you’ll know what I’m talking about. Otherwise you’re just in denial.. that 4runner also has better quality than a Tesla too. Just give it a feel. I do it every day working at a body shop. The only fool here is the ones that are being fooled with just looking at their eyes.
Just bought a 2013 GX... I originally had the Land Cruiser on order, but interest rates and overall lack of desire for a car payment led me to a cash car. The Land Cruiser is sick though. I will own one in the future most likely.
Nothing wrong with a 2013 GX! Solid choice.
Great choice! The GX460 is one of my favorite vehicles ever. I wanted one but ended up with its Toyota variant (Land Cruiser Prado), the previous gen of the one in this video, offered with the same V6 the 4runner had.
Love the 4Runner TRD Pro
I chose 2024 trd pro 4R.... so simple, so good.
I just love the sound of that old 1GR. Makes me want to jump in my FJ and go flat out everywhere while going faster than the speed of smell.
The First Edition is so sick!!! Happy for your, Ryan!! So rad!
Smart choice for the channel, but if for 100% personal I know you would pick 4Runner
Yes. Agree. Ryan good choice for the channel
A Pedal Commander gave me five throttle modes for my 5th Gen 4Runner.
got the chance to buy my dream truck almost 2 years ago, a TRD OFF ROAD 4Runner. I found your videos while researching it and thanks to you it made me want it even way more! Seeing one in the channel always makes my heart warm lol. havent stopped watching since. in future videos would like to see how the sway bar disconnect behaves in already stressful situations.
I still would take a 2010 used 4Runner over anything new at Toyota.
This comment makes zero sense. So if given the chance to have a used 2010 4Runner or a 2024 4Runner you’re going to take the used 2010?
2010 4runner was the 1st year of the 5th gen 4runner 😂😅
The first gen 5th gen 4runner is good looking
Nothing moonman said had anything to do with another generation.
2010 4runner $10-12k
2024 4runner $60k+
Same engine amd mostly everything else.
I'd get a 2010 too for the price they're at now
@@Blvck0ne oh yeah, all day long. If you need a loan to buy something you are either broke or buying a vehicle you can’t afford. Easily write a check for a rust free 2010 in great shape.
I am not a fan of what they've done with the hybrid battery here. It is in the cargo area, which is not good if you have wet items in the rear or something leaks back there. It requires you keep several vents clean and unblocked in a cargo area in order to have airflow to keep the battery cool. And I have heard that the deck lid at the very rear, designed due to the battery location, can only support 150 lbs; again in the cargo area where that little area could see some weight, though it might be in only odd circumstances.
Preach!!!!
Ryan didn’t even try to sleep in his new LC. The uneven cargo area floor of these new vehicles are just ludicrous
LOL at some of these comments. For the vast majority of 5th Gen 4Runner owners, the top complaints have been how the 4Runner is hopelessly outdated and underpowered in 2024 standards. Now that they have seen the 6th Gen (and the LC250), the 5th Gen is suddenly back to being Toyota's irreplaceable chariot of the gods. You simply can't squeeze any more power and torque out of that naturally aspirated V6. Toyota gave what the whiners complained about - more power. The result? Even more whining than before. LOL!!!
I actually like how long Toyota keeps their models around for. It shows that the vehicle is reliable and dependable for several years to come. And I like old school simplicity of their vehicles; no constant rotation of complicated bells and whistles that no one needs or really uses, which goes out of date within a year or two that other truck and SUV brands employ. Toyota's dependable conservatism is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
congrats on the new buy. hopefully we see more of it so we can make informed choices. give us bad and good
Love those headlights on the landcruiser
If they just put a V6 in the land cruiser I would have bought this shit in a heartbeat.
Got my heritage blue FE this week, I’m really happy at how good they drive, it just feels right
The driver monitoring makes this SUV an automatic lemon. People need to push back hard whenever you see surveillance in their car.
60k for cloth seats?! Whaaaaat
I’ll pay extra for cloth over leather.
@@jysmtlcloths seats will last 3 times than leather seats
Had ro rush back to my office to watch this 😂
Love love love my new LC !!!! Most amazing vehicle ever !!! Will be getting another for my wife
I wouldn't touch those new vehicles with a 10-foot pole especially when something reliable is available. Some people are just too trendy and can't help themselves because they care too much with other people think & say... Got to think for yourself haha
This makes me want a FJ Cruiser even more I don’t know why. Congrats on the buy!!
At dinner yesterday parked next to an FJ with the similar sand/white paint.
@@drivingsports yup I think the two toned roof is what did it. Love the color you chose.
Perfect Choice I got my LC FE 3 months ago! Thanks for the tips!
Kinda looks like a modern day Honda element
I love your videos. You are one of the new car reviewers who actually reviews the cars instead of making it feel like a paid ad by the manufacturer.
I just got an off road premium in may and love it. It’s my third 4Runner and am very happy!
You never should have gotten rid of the grey TRD Off Road you bought. Should have driven it until the wheels come off. Newer designs are becoming too focused on tech and not the basics like engines that work and reliable transmissions.
The 4Runner is so good and bulletproof I just can’t justify the land cruiser other than the need for the next new thing.
Haven’t seen much yet diving into the 2.4kw onboard power. Any chance to do a demonstration of that feature, like using it while the vehicle is off and seeing how the engine can start automatically to fill the battery back up?
It’s like any other Toyota hybrid. You have to have the vehicle on. You have to push the button every time you start the vehicle. It’s an inverter that works off the high voltage battery. So if you’re running all 2.4kw I suspect it will run often.
@@TobyCostaRica sorry yeah I meant engine off with the vehicle in whatever accessory ignition mode it needs to be in. I just think it’s super useful when out camping or similar. Can even lock the car up and have an extension cord out to a tent for running a fan or heated blanket all night. Pulling 2-400 watts continually would last a good few hours before the engine would kick on, charge up the HV battery before turning back off automatically for another few hours. Or run a host of morning essentials like coffee maker, electric griddle etc and just let the vehicle turn on for a few minutes every so often without any additional input by the user.
@@ALMX5DPI got one I can’t wait to see how that works as far as powering stuff
@@ALMX5DP it won’t let you lock the car, with the size of the battery, and the specs I can have AC running inside my Sienna van for 15-20mins depending on ambient temp before the van starts for 5 mins. Best use based on my knowledge is to transfer power to a portable battery like a Delta Max 2
That 5th gen looks so beautiful compared to all that plastic on the land snoozer (which is just a worse version of the new GX)
$80k/ $1500 a month land cruiser is just something I cant wrap my head around.
The last one sold in the USA was the 2021 Heritage and it sold out at $90k MSRP.
@@drivingsports there's your next video. Old vs new. I personally would still take the last Gen. I think it looks better and has unmatched reliability.
Prado
@@drivingsports yeah, that was a premium compared to the low quality of the new land cruiser. You can feel the low quality on that light trunk of that cheapily made cruiser. NOT THE SAME
I own still new 2014 FJ Cruiser. 57 miles on the odometer. Storage kept. Same color. It's a MUCH better vehicle! True sport utility!
VERY relevant comparison! I am a 2 time 5th gen owner, so I love this! I put a Magnuson supercharger in my 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road, and no more slow lol. It wasn't cheap though lol
Nice to see you break out the tape measure on the ground clearance. I have been questioning the details across the different trims for a while now. Thanks for that but of info.
The 4Runner with that 4.0 liter engine is indestructible. Why can’t things be simple and basic? The Land Cruiser is not. I’d get a 4Runner and never look back.
I bought the 1958 version, but honestly really wish I spent more. The surcharge is insane tho.
Sell it and get it from one of 4 Toyota dealers in California that have 0 markup on this LC250 😮
Longer term 4Runner all day!
Excellent review! Crazy how the wheel just hung in the air on one, stayed put on the other. Thanks for your fun hard work!
Both great trucks, I say get what you like who cares what anyone else thinks. The technology on the newer vehicles is amazing.
A lot of ppl have been wondering where this Land Cruiser draws its styling from? Well my uncle in Nicaragua owned a 1992 Land Cruiser prado which at the time was an offshoot of the 70 series land cruisers with a more plush utilitarian use rather the commercial ones. This Land Cruiser draws it’s inspiration completely from that model first gen prado
You can use the key fob for remote start. Double tap the lock button then hold the lock button.
Thank you for the excellent videos and car reviews! Could you please do a snow review video for the new Land Cruiser and GX550 at some point? It would be great to see how these vehicles perform in snowy and icy conditions.
Ryan could you take a 22 or 23 GX460 and GX550 through the same trail?
Ok Bryan, I’ve had about enough of your 4Runner hating. Not everyone wants all the bells and whistles and new “tech”. Well shit, it does seems like everyone wants that now days. I’m the odd ball out I guess. Eh, they’ll bury me in my 5th gen. Never giving it up!
As a current 4Runner owner and potential Landcruiser owner; this has been the best and most helpful review video by far! Thanks.
You are literally paying for a downgrade for this cheaply quality made vehicle. Did you feel the trunk? MAN toyota got you big time😂 not only that and it’s smaller
I actually passed on my allocation I received for the exact same LC and bought the exact same TRD Pro 4runner. I love both but I want to see what they will offer in the packaging on the LC and the new 4runner over the next couple years.
this review has me even more convinced to go 4runner 5th
There is no wrong answer. 👍
@@drivingsportsjust say what everyone knows, I bought this junk because it will help me make more money with my channel you . I will see how fast you will flip when it’s going to be recalled like tundra
No front locker for 77k lmao...so overpriced...you really need to compare it to the new gen 4-runner coming out and the off road models... although those prices will be ridiculous also
Toyota separated them by making this off road capable with full time 4wd whereas the off road, trd, trailer hunter new 4Runner is only part time. The limited and platinum get full time but are street oriented in the new 4R
Toyota should keep the V6 option available on top of hybrid power train to the customers. 3.5 liter V6 is bullet proof
It just needs a roll down rear window and it would be the perfect replacement for the 5th gen 4Runner.
I will go for 2024 4Runner. :)
The 4.0 L V6 is under tuned for longevity. The 2.4 is over tuned for 2023 emissions standards. Turbos recycle exhaust for combustion. Use premium fuel and let the oil cool down after a minute or so before turning off and you can still get longevity out of the 4 cylinder’s though. Toyota still makes a good engine.
I love everything about my 5th gen 4Runner, EXCEPT the gas mileage but I wouldn't spend around $60k to solve that problem especially with the longevity issues associated with a hybrid/turbo 4cyl. I'll give it a few years and then re-evaluate. But RUclipsrs always upgrade and encourage the latest-greatest because it drives content.
When your done with the 4 runner I’ll take it 🙏🏻
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My 4Runner has KDSS so the body roll is minimal. I thought the Land Cruiser had electric KDSS?
No, that’s GX.
I saw my first land cruiser on the road yesterday and have to admit it looks good. It's a shame to know what's under the hood and you'll be lucky to get 100,000 miles out of it
I have anticipated a comparison video like this one! I was contemplating between the new LC 1958 and the last year of the 5th gen 4Runner and I put down a deposit on a 4Runner TRD offroad premium this week. I’ve always wanted one and figured I could always sell it down the road and get near what I paid for it new. I want to see how the LC performs over the next few years.
4 runner is not that slow)
Ryan! I am stoked for you. This is a great choice for you for all the reasons you chose it. Vehicle buying should not be 1 size fits all. A LOT of people won't agree this was worth the money, and for them, that is true. For you, I think it was. Primarily because of what you said about features. I would not take the 2024 TRD Pro for what it is over the LC you just bought. I hope it gives you years of reliable fun. Are you going to swap out tires? Are the wipers rain sensed? Did you say it has adaptive cruise? In our state, those things have become features I would very much like to have had on my old 2018 4R TRD OR. But I did not buy it for amenities, I bought it for its rugged long lasting capabilities.
This is the review I needed in my life.
I’m going with 4runner before watching. At least I hope you did lol
Good choice
Nothing like a midday Driving sports drop
What is your opinion on the Land Cruiser requiring 91 octane while the Tacoma with the same i-Force Max only requires 87? The premium gas may be a dealbreaker.
I wonder about that too, must be a different tune. 91 gets expensive fast. I imagine the new 4runner will run 87 as well.
@@montechie The strange thing is both the Tacoma and LC are rated for the same HP and torque figures. I wish Toyota would address this and let us know what the discrepancy is.
Fulltime 4wd robs more power from the engine due to drivetrain. Premium mostlikely makes up for that loss in hp and trq.
The owners manual on the land cruiser clearly states 91 isn't required.
It's not different, modern engines can adjust timing to account just fine. They did that in the 2000s
The 4 runner will be in the shop alot less for sure, normal maintenance etc....the cruiser is really cool, but with all that "new tech" comes all the new problems, bugs to get worked out etc...Again, I really like them both but their way to expensive. At least for someone like myself, average yearly income, which in today's standards puts me hovering in the poverty zone!
I hope you'll redo this video when the new 4Runner comes out. I know you said you're preferring the new comfort and tech stuff. As my vehicles have leaped forward in tech over the last decade (newest was a 2020 Stinger GT2), I've started heading in the opposite direction. The older tech/design of the 4Runner kind of appeals to me.
Panhard bar mounts could be a reason why the LC flexed better on this test. The 4Runner's panhard bar mounts to the axle on the driver side which might limit driver side droop. The LC's passenger side droop might be limited for the same reason.
First thing needed: new tires (such as Falken Wildpeak A/T’s).
*For the 4R: ‘S’ is not ‘sport’, it’s ‘sequential’, to keep it in and/or control which gear it’s in. C’mon, you should know this!!!
I like the direction Toyota has taken with the styling on this and the fact that there are meaningfully distinct trim levels.
I was going to buy a Land Cruiser but stayed with a 4runner, there’s usually a lot of issues with new design vehicles
What is going on with these prices! I’ll take the 4Runner trd pro! Fully loaded interior tried and true engineering, regular fuel, and way more affordable
4Runner all day! Bulletproof with timeless design!
You can't convince me that a turbo hybrid motor is going to be more reliable than what's in the apocalypse proof 4Runner.
Would love to see a comparison on the off-road capability between new LC and old LC (GX460)
$77k+ vs $55k? Not sure that jump is worth it. I don't think either are really. I bought a 4R TRD ORP in Lunar Rock and slapped most of the TRD Pro parts on it for ~$12k less than a TRD Pro would've been. I'm totally happy with it and it's basically the same vehicle. The 4R platform will last forever. We have no idea how long these Land Cruiser hybrid systems will do long term. Probably ok but still, it's unproven.
Just curious, for the money, why did you end up skipping over the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail? Its in the same price ball park, Lexus generally has better quality standards and overall it has better performance then the LC, larger tires, more trunk space and better towing numbers. Love the look of your Land Cruiser though better than the lexus and Land Cruiser is a better nameplate in my opinion haha.
We have another video coming that will cover all these questions...and then some. 👍
There's a few reasons to go with the LC trim + Premium Package over the GX. The LC is equipped much better than the GX550 OT, but is roughly $12k cheaper than the similarly equipped OT+. The GX also has abysmal real world mileage, whereas the LC can exceed 20 mpg. I also prefer the physical HVAC controls.
Admittedly, the First Edition trim is a bit overpriced.
The GX has engine recalls……
Same 265/70r18 (32.5 or "33s") tyres on LC250 and GX. Only the lowest LC trim has smaller 245/70r18 (31.5"). Of course you don't need to swap the OEM ATs on Overtrail, whereas the LC ones can go off right on dealer's lot.
Rest is true of course. But the way Toyota market segments is that you can never have all the features you want :- )
I drive an FJ Cruiser and I really want the 4Runner.
My 23 TRD Pro has one MTS setting in 4H.
Mud Sand and Dirt has always been available in 4H
Glad you bought a Land Cruiser. I’ve had a first edition for 2 months and it’s been so great. Just took it off-roading today. Your channel is 1 of only 3 I subscribe to. Thanks for the great content
Just trying to make yourself feel better that you aren’t the only one that is a sucker for paying so much. You know this so don’t deny. You guys are the reason why Toyota keeps raising prices. This is a freaking Prado dudes for $80k and that’s IF you didn’t pay mark up which Toyo RUclips fan boys usually don’t. Just unsubscribe. Sorry.
@@frankc5739 I don’t need to make myself feel better about anything. You clearly do. I can tell you watch all the negative click bait on RUclips targeted towards stupid people that are easily influenced. Sorry you can’t drop 80k on a truck bud, write it in your diary. I don’t want to have to reply to your pathetic, insecure, loser bullshit. Get a life
Tell me how you justify getting a Land Cruiser when the 2025 4Runner will have the same engine. Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot by killing all their reliable vehicles
@@bobsacamano6402 I don’t have to justify shit. Bought it and love it. How do you justify buying a 14 year old truck with an interior of a public bus that rides like ass? It’s under warranty and it’s just a truck. Not my whole life ;)
@@PuddingReserve So many jealous dudes in the comments. Mad they can't afford it. Props to you, enjoy your new LC!
Making trips to Costco & daycare I’ll take the Land Cruiser.
BUT if I’m conducting combat operations, I’ll take the 4Runner all day! It’s like a Glock, it just works every time.
Lets recall the recent tacoma engine problem and also the tundra which both have a 2.4T(as the land cruiser does and that the new 4runner will have) and a 3.5T (as the sequoia does) - both with problems. So, all this capability is actually useless if you cant make it back or, eventually you do, but then you have to worry about how to deal with warranty lawyers... I think I will stick to my 4runner for while, hoping the new engine problems get solved out sooner than expected.
The Land Cruiser sounds like a sowing machine! I would have got one if it had the twin turbo V6!
What a price on US market. Here in Europe this car starts from more than 180.000 euro’s. I wish I could get one for 55.000 dollar.
Let alone the outdated things from the 2024 4runner TRD Pro. I’ll pick it over these new Land Cruisers
Caveat: on road manners of 4Runner equipped w/ KDSS probably rivals the Land Cruiser. Sway bar is also beefier on KDSS models for minimal body roll. 4Runner w/ KDSS also has increased articulation under 12mph with essentially a disconnectable sway.
It'd be nice if you took the same line for the articulation section in both vehicles. Also, as you must surely know, the best 4Runner model for articulation is the TRD Off-Road with KDSS, as it disconnects (hydraulically) both swaybars below 12 mph. I've never given two hoots about all of the electronic nannies as I enjoy driving my vehicle and having as much control over it as possible. The only thing that I like on the new Prado is the Torsen centre-diff, but again, only for paved road, mixed condition (snow and rain) driving , as you still want to lock the centre diff for maximum slow speed, technical and difficult off-road conditions.
Funny how we are - 3 years ago you could buy the best (non-70 series) Land Cruiser in the world (the LC200) for $86000 in the US, and now you're paying $77000 for a Prado :) Imagine getting rid of the top of the line Supra and giving consumers the GR86 for the same price and having them thank you for it - good one Toyota!!!!
I'd hate to see a review on my 1966 fj40..lol...
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