How gangs keep inmates safe | David Skarbek | TEDxWarwick
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2015
- David Skarbek is an award-winning author and lecturer of Political Economy at King’s College London. His research has examined how people define and enforce property rights and trade in the absence of a strong, effective government.
His book 'The Social Order of the Underworld: How Prison Gangs Govern the American Penal System' examines how inmates create self-governance institutions to promote economic and social interactions behind bars.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
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I have to get up for school in 2 hours
How was school?
The tea man i gotta be up in 4
Mario C ahahaha
Me too damn
i gotta go in like 30 min exactly
You'd think that with the amount of times this guy mentions California he would be a member of the red hot chilli peppers
Maybe he can't stop because he thinks he's gonna win big?
Because it’s only in California and neighboring states. Research
Or the eagles.
Those charts clearly outline the different stages of prohibition in the United States. The "spikes" in that data directly correlate to the initial Alcohol Prohibition and the "War on Drugs", both of which are ineffective in treating the issue of addiction.
I know right. You mean dog-piling dangerous people in a cage doesn't help them mentally? Well who woulda thought? Good job once again government. Here's your yearly salary
Iron Wrist Fighters isn’t it great when the prison system is privatised and then the prison industrial complex ensures through lobbying that more and more people are locked up.
Those spike actually correlate with the privatisation of the prison system.
100%
@@TheIronWristFighters Worse, it turns desperate, traumatized, poor, mentally ill and addicted people into dangerous people, as prison culture requires violence, aggression and lack of empathy and compassion to survive. The California prison system is the worst in the country. It's where you can go in with a DUO and end up with a life sentence just defending yourself.
the first time i hear "success" and "american prison system" in the same sentence
Cause he's a total cop sucker
The American prison system is a long way from success. I just used success and American prison system in the same sentence and im not defending the prison system either
Did a white guy just convince me to join a gang?
Comments like this are the ones that make me cringe.
My job is done.
@@Cyrx686 Mission Accomplished. Pack it up, soldiers. We're goin home.
Lmao
Why pick out his race? Throw a bunch of ghetto people into russia an they will get mauled.
"It's a mistake to think they're the root of the problem rather than a symptom of the problem"
Couldn't have said it better myself
So if there are two gangs in prison that fight with each other, you can either join one of them for safety but risk being attacked by the other, or just stay out of the gangs, but risk getting attacked by both. 10/10 would crime again.
This is the most articulate explanation of prison life I ever heard.
travelingjohn69 it’s also completely wrong
I wouldn’t trust it. You should ask someone who actually been
Have u ever been
Wes watson is a youtuber who describes prison in the most detailed and accurate way I've ever seen all while being very entertaining.
It's the reason chickens were such a good candidate for domestication. The farmer doesn't have to do anything but provide food and shelter. The organization of the chickens is managed by the chickens internally.
Now, sheep on the other hand... They respect the authority of a dog.
So to stay safe in the US prison system, you have to commit to a life of crime? “Epic” doesn’t seem to be descriptive enough of the level of fail here.
there is a pretty cool movie called "shot caller" staring jammie lannister
Owen Bunny nikolaj coster-waldau, not jaime lannister
Yeah, check out Wes Watson's RUclips channel. He did 10 years in California and he's very intelligent and charasmatic. He explains how it works and how you basically have no choice.
I think he’s over hyping it. You do not have to join a gang and many don’t in prison.
Trol Way You don’t have to actually join a gang but you definitely have to stick with your people and do work for your people
Wauw, thats nice... get locked up for a small bag of weed, serve your time, and come back in society as a full blown AB hardcore dude..... way to go
It you haven't already, watch the movie shotcaller.
@@Piunti_302 that's the one with the guy from GOT? Yeah that is a good movie and been confirmed by a few RUclips ex cons as the most accurate representation they have seen.
@Wojak Feels yeah I guess there probably is, I couldn't confirm or deny but Shaun Attwood said its the most accurate representation and he spent years in the Arizona penal system. All those guys you speak of can only speak of their experience too, I imagine things differ state to state and even prison to prison.
@Wojak Feels did the guys you saw say there were more accurate movies?
There’s a movie called felon, for me this movie was based on true events that took place in California prison system.
Dont borrow or let anybody give you anything. Treat everyone with respect, mind your business
Yes!
Words of a true G
This will get you very far. However, if you go to prison in California, you're joining a gang. Don't get it twisted.
Also don't do drugs or basically have any addiction to substances, and don't be a pushover.
This man has done time.
That was so beautifully put together. This needs to be seen by more people.
This dude looks like an amalgamation of the 3 main ncis actors. gibbs mcgee and dinozzo
Brrruuuh. Can't unsee now.
HOLY
i see Anthony and Timothy,but I see zero Leroy
Prison Mike from the Office.
Realty had to say it??!? I can’t Unser it
school closed the prisons open.
HAAAGGH!
The system broken, the school is closed, the prison's open
Rage against the machine said it best back in ‘99
“Ain't it funny how the factory doors close
Round the time that the school doors close
Round the time that the doors of the jail cells
Open up to greet you....like the reaper”
Yeah schools don't make profit though!
Is there any difference though
Very informative. and I like how he added a possible solution there at the end.
Thanks YT for letting me express my thoughts. It's the best feature. Sometimes I just want to know what people are saying.
It's an old video but I really want people to appreciate the way he spoke, straight to the point and stated the facts, conclusion, the end. Yet delivered them with such clarity and such expertise with so well thought-out sentences and structure that this alone kept the listener captivated and interested and carried a listener who doesn't know anything about the subject (me) so well from beginning to the end that anyone can understand absolutely everything he wanted to communicate. These days ted talks have so much pressure to be "new" and "fresh" and surprising and mind-blowing and uplifting that all the effects the presenters try to use cloud the real content and instead of new information I leave the presentation with just the feeling of information. Every public speaker should study this lecture, every voter should listen to this message and every politician should prepare to explain themselves if they act otherwise.
TED X IS NOT TED. ANYONE CAN MAKE A TED X. That's the point of it.
like how he offers a solution, or partial solution, at the end
Wow, what a well-written talk!
Really fascinating and insightful talk - thank you - what a great speech, very well delivered!
I first went to prison in 1972 and that code he talks about at 4:30 worked very wel
This is a great presentation; this along with "When Do I Stop Being a Criminal" show just how ineffective prison systems in America have become. I'm not sure they were ever very effective in rehabilitation, but they sure dysfunctional today.
That big spike in prisoners in the 80s is due to the War on Drugs--which was an utter failure because it had an unrealistic goal of keeping drugs off the streets. Drugs have always been there, they always will be, banning them has never worked--but politicians were looking for easy dramatic policies, not ones that would actually work.
Why would I ever study for my finals which happens to be in 5 hours when I can attempt to watch every single ted talk I possibly can
Mood
Howd your finals go
They have no expiration
4 months later I am now in the same position as you
That was an incredible speach. Loved it.
Speech
Its crazy to me that people can incur debt in prison. You get fed, housed, and you can buy stuff in the commissary. Its not like you need 500 bucks from a friend to buy an espresso machine. I guess drugs are the only real answer, but you KNOW that guards and staff are getting paid to let drugs in. Its a horrible situation. Drug addicts, should be in rehab, not housed with murderers and gang members. The fact someone may have to join a gang for life just because they smoked weed or something is just absurd to me. We need prison reform.
Very well done
This was really informative. Great ted talk
Great talk, thanks 👍
Really well spoken. Great vid.
"Big Stan"- Rob Schneider, dealt with this.
A shame more prisons don't use the same method Norway does. It's insanely effective and makes all other prison systems look medieval.
Which is...?
STFW.
They don't have the capacities to pull off something like that, they have way to many prisoners
Change the maximum sentence to 21 years and suddenly they don't have way too many prisoners.
@@librivoxaudiobooks8710 21 years for murder?
I am a technician by trade. While I was incarcerated in the Florida state prison system. I installed LED lights in radios as well as repair headphones ect. I was a popular guy to say the least. And it isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out. Convict code still in effect in florida.
Share with us a story!
only if youre able to defend yourself
I want to hear about it more brother it sounds interesting asf to say the least
Florida is NOT CALIFORNIA
RUclips FRESH OUT. WES WATSON. Lockdown 23&1. You’ll learn everything
If they don't follow those rules they would get their wigs split.
Or their cheeks busted
By Wes Walker of DayGo
@@matthewsantana9472 Wes Watson
matthew Pasculli
Where’s your paperwork
Big herc 😂
I learned something here.
0:40 - "id like to invite you to think.."
Ah yeah sorry bro i have plans that night
5:35 what is so important
9:10 wow, great system you've got there Cali
Well said sir
The volume seems a bit low. Interesting topic.
good talk, guy.
The movie Shotcaller. If this topic interst you, is exactly for you.
White dudes aren't really strong like that in Cali prisons no more
This actually demonstrates some of Ostrom's principles
Bottoms up process
The M.O - Put everybody in prison by law, then force them to work as private slaves for no money.
Yeah the system in the USA is basically a slavery racket. That's why that nation locks up more than anyone else, coz it makes money.
Bob England that wouldn’t be socially acceptable.
H it is socially acceptable because they’re “criminals” which for some reason now have no right to freedom. The prisoners also make 90% of the gear their overfunded military uses.
conor martin Let’s not get ahead of ourselves mr Martin, it may be socially acceptable to you but that’s not the case for the general public, not in this day and age.
Ah right. I misread. A week ago when I read this I thought it was suggesting that we turn prisoners into slaves. Apologies sir.
Very interesting
Thought he's leading up to something such as a practical and mutually beneficial solution to the issue. It's great to be able to understand gangs are a symptom and not the root of the problem but it's useless if existing and effective measures are completely ignored and/or overlooked. And instead of a 'one-liner' answer to the whole issue that despite saying, it doesn't seem to fully convince even you, just try implementing Norway's approach.
Not exactly what hes talking about but It's a strange thing that the larger your community the more issolated you feel, i don't think the human mind is designed to be arround so many people you dont know personally
I think this is why people in big cities are more depressed than rural Sub Saharan Africans who make less than a dollar a day.
@@forgefathereli8354 i think thats more because they are too busy trying too survive than getting diagnosed with mental illnesses
I just left Chicago 8 weeks ago after living there for 6 months. 80,000 people in the 4 sq. Miles of my zip code. I got depressed and moved back to Alaska. At least when people are around you in Alaska they either love you or hate, but rarely ignore you.
He has a legit solution. Bravo
This guy is extremly and refreshingly knowledgable about prison life and why we, convicts, do the things we do.
John D lol 😂 DONT you know!?? It’s 2019!!? If you’re not a victim you’re the problem hahahahaha
One of the major revenue sources of gangs is extortion which greatly increases violence, especially when their victims realize they greatly outnumber the gang members. I saw dorm riots start that way.
The prison that i was in when i was young. The guards are meaner then the inmates. I had a teacher mr.troop told us that he would witness guards would bet on how many inmates they could throw into the shoe. Sadistic
A point he conveniently leaves out regarding the 5-fold prison population growth rate from 1920 to 1970 6:10 - That state's population rose from about 3.6 million to 19.9 million during that same time-frame. This is approximately the same percentage-wise, a 5-fold increase, thus no real growth rate at all.
That fact has nothing to do with what he is discusing. He is explaining why the code failed. The fact is that prison inmates increased. Why that happens doesn't matter. What matters is that it happened, and that played a major role in the fall of the code.
@@vulpine3431 bingo!
Good CO.rective analysis
You are comparing something that doesn't matter. Think about it. If 10 guards are protecting 100 inmates that doesnt mean it was be the same difficulty for 100 guards to protect 1000 inmstes .. The more inmates the harder to control all even if the population increases the same...
the population of california only rose that much during that time as a result of mass immigration. mass immigration from non-white, non-east asian countries. you left that part out. probably on purpose. perhaps because you don't like the truth it betrays.
I guess Epstein never saw this talk eh
linda from procesing would love this
RUclips Sean Atwood and see how this guy has the arrow absolutely backwards. Sean spent years in each level of AZ prison. TED talk has '200 year sentence' in the title.
Bon Sheedy Sean’s great
That's my boy..... went to high school wit this cat
He's got his own Ted Talk and you're still Joe Schmo. Life be that way.
It's sad the fact that, this could be easily fixed within a decade, but there are some wicked people who rather make $ of the suffering of misguided people. I'd expect this in a ancient civilization, but not in 2019...
We are fallen and will never have heaven on earth.
So I can put on a suit and state the obvious and get on Ted
"Limited options ? " That is the greatest understatement I have ever heard.
Shot caller (the movie) is exactly this
Jamie Lannister is a badass.
So..... is here anything we can ever hope to do about it in my lifetime? I'm almost 30 now and it's been exactly this way for... as long as I can remember
I am a british national who was imprisoned in the us and i wish when people ask how did you do it i want them to watch this
Mitchell worboys did you join a gang in prison?
I stayed close to the white people
Mitchell worboys Did they ever have your back the time you were there? Also, did you get scare the first day you went in?
So.
Technically the 1960s code didnt fail, it had to adapt and these days, its about groups of people rather than individuals.
WereDictionary the groups have distorted code since not so smart people or people with nothing to lose have taken power.
mass immigration initiated by the INA of 1965, nixon's failed war on drugs, and clinton's crime bill are what caused this. it's right there in the graph at 8:11 and the timing and scale of the increases doesn't correlate to the U.S. population growth rate. the convict's code worked before mass immigration began in the mid-60s and before nixon and clinton engaged in phony solutions to cover up the real problems caused by their politics and the policies their parties both espoused.
No matter what you form a group or gang in prison at least. But its easier for some to just give up ideals and principles and fold to people they seem to feel most comfortable with, but have very little in common with. Humans under extreme stress and violence tend to herd up more quickly than any other time.
CAHMicroFarms forgot what it’s called, foxhole something.
This essentially explains the working of the High Table in John Wick movies.
My Cross-Cultural Studies professor gave us these questions to answer as a homework assignment after watching this video, hope y'all enjoy lmaooo:
1. What do we learn about cultural development from this talk?
2. What do we learn about culture from this talk?
3. How is culture shaped by circumstances?
4. How are people shaped by culture?
You should watch The House I Live In
There is a lot about what he speaks to hear which is relative to certain understandings that do apply but not distinctly across the board. For one the Californis prison system has its own dynamics that dont apply accross all systems. Ive been to prison twice and I can say the promise of saftey is a recruiting tool gangs use. However, the reality is quite different gang affliated members are much more likely to face and participate in violence as a qualification of membership. I would say that parity within mulutiple prison games E.G. a balance of power does lead to less violence as in a cold war mentality but they in themselves consistantiy contribute to violence in that they insulate people from sufferingon an individual basis the asocial behaviors that got them encarcerated in the first place. This is why their dynamics lead to reencarceration. While I personally never had the security of hiding behind a gang and this in itself was dificult. I montired my own bahavior and was succesful. While crash dummies in gangs who did not moderate their behavior often caused conflict for everyone in the group.
Wow......
yooo wtf theres a ted talk about gangs??? im in.
The most bizarre thing I’ve seen was gangs in the United States Naval Brig when I got a couple months for my youthful antics. I remember thinking that a lot of us are going back to fleet and you guys are forming a gang, out of mere boredom. We were so heavily worked that even if we wanted some kind of civilian prison experience we’d all be too tired to even participate
Smaller prisons is a pipe-dream at least in Michigan. I saw a report that we need 79 million a year to keep up with our roads and we only have 7 million allocated. There's nothing left over for prison improvement.
yes cos usa is a really poor country😂😂😂
He truly is a wonderful speaker that manages to pull everyone on his side, even though the content of his statements make fun of his listeners. A perfect example is this:
13:51: "These are two potent examples of american exceptionalism". He clearly calls it "exceptionalism" instead of "utter failure", which it actually is. That way, he doesn't directly insult the listeners and supporters of this cruel system.
I'm glad some neighbor hoods have gangs. It make me feel good that the gangs make them safer.
Problem is, the gangs are entrenched. The prison population numbers in the millions. How do you get rid of those gangs and scale back the prison population? Getting rid of laws that send people there for non-violent offenses is one big step. But again, what to do with those who are already there?
While I still cannot find my spring sandals!!!😩😩😩😱
Ill be back to finish this, Pewdiepie finally played PHINEAS AND FERB.
Gangs are what pose the threat in the first place.
What they don’t tell you is most other prisons in the world you either live as a king or do drugs owe debts and die. The system in our pen is pretty tame compared to the rest of the world, but we really need to work on how many people are arrested for petty crimes
Joe Gatto seems to know a lot about prisons.
Its the same reason we went from egalitarian hunter gatherers in bands and groups under 150 ppl, to hierarchical agricultural clans organized from the top down. You get more than a couple hundred people you cant go by personal reputation.
If you think the private prisons are the only problem that needs to be solved, you need to consider that those public prisons also need guards, also need food, also need medical supplies, also need communication services, etc. And let's not forget that a large amount of lawyers and judges are needed to keep the machine going. This will go on forever.
I don’t know how I feel about this. I mean, I loved the lecture but at the end it sounded like a pitch to build more prisons 🤔
A key point here is He never covered why there was a huge spike in prison population because the answer is the “war on drugs” which is something that requires a whole another ted talk.
This ted talk is about treating a symptom of a problem.
Imo every set of problems is going to require set of many solutions. Reforming the prisons to allow for better rehabilitation is a small but necessary step on the way to improving the current set of problems.
EpiicPenguin I agree 100%
I'm glad you commented cause I wasn't totally paying attention to that last sentence. Very true
Netflix.
well that is what he says, even if the US would put alot less people in prison, to have better and smaller prisons should be on the agenda aswell
Anyone ever seen American History X?
Ando Commando put your jaw on the curve
You ever seen American Me?
American history x prison scenes were super fake
Absolutely fake
best way to stay safe is to be a ghost, seen when you want to be seen and your as private as the government and google will let you be unless your really good at being in the shadows
I thought you meant the original Warwick.
I've been locked up four times. you don't have to become a part of a gang to be safe in prison. people do that, and for those reasons sometimes, but it's not something that most people do. 50 years ago, maybe - but not now.
Every one of those *illicit phones* has been introduced into the prison system *by a guard-* who is supposed to keep order inside the joint. Ponder that if you *expect safety* in a prison.
His first line explains why the U.S.A. is NOT, The Land Of The Free!!!
That's a big problem too, if you're not allowed to interact with the different kinds of people you can segregated and possibly bigoted toward different people's in the prison.
The prison system in the U.S. is BIG business.
Being an outsider looking in a completely agree USA seems extremely unfree compared to the 4 1st world countries ive lived in
Tim B it's more like if you get pulled into "the system" your freedom is lost. There is little to no rehabilitation and your criminal record follows you for life and pretty much excludes you from a regular life here in the U.S. If we manage to stay out of this system we get all those freedoms you've heard about.
+Salpsan I've been incarcerated in two different countries I'm free as a bird
This guy was never in prison and has no idea what goes on. Sometimes guards conspire with inmates to take someone out.
Overcrowded prisons should be illegal and the government should crack down on over population in for profit prisons.
Have you been to prison?
Dano1947 for profit prisons are insane
Have you been to prison?
I’m noticing that the OP still hasn’t acknowledged whether or not they’ve been to prison
@@TmanTheTdog notifications are pretty random, sometimes you just don't get them
There should be no one but violent offenders in prison. People who break laws without causing physical harm, should not be behind bars. They need to be working off their debt another way...like working and paying a fine.
I always forget to bring this up when identitarianism is on the table, but this is what it's 101.
Either your "in their way" or you'll be joining them to their main destination,
cause you don't want someone to be a possible road blocker, might as well let them aboard on the trip & persuade them that its for the better of their selves
Prisons should never be a buisness, always a cost
“If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.” This phrase explains the prison system and belief of free will. However, most people are idiots and take guilty pleas whether they committed the crime or not. It’s not a secret which drugs are illegal .
but when is ted gonna talk
😆👍
So more prisons, just smaller ones?
Not being sarcastic, turn this into a movie
Take it you've not seen Shawshank Redemption bro?
It’s a prison movie but not similar
It’s a movie already it’s called shotcaller on Amazon prime
i dont know why but i feel like im rewatching a tutorial on how to play Dawn of War for some odd reason
I want to see what wes Watson has to say about this