@@SkeezyFPV well, considering when you order a full power laser it comes direct from mfg and not from tnvc. So regardless of what tnvc approves of, the mfg won’t ship to a non-governmental entity
Good video. Informative. Only complaint is I wish you would have showed a close up of the device's when you started talking about them individually. Keep up the good work.
Imagine thinking civilians or former Service Members/LEOs don’t want IR aiming lasers. It’s been a long slog but I’m happy we’re getting the market to move! Edit: I want to thank you for supporting AR15’s vids. Also, RailScales LEAF for a mounted fixed front sight option on the DBAL is good kit, imo.
@Emmanuel Goldstein it's not a garbage government that we have but the people we've moronically placed in those positions. I had the rare opportunity tonight to drive a new coworker of my wife's home. He's been here about a month from zimbabwe. We had a great conversation about REAL shit governments. That dude from zimbabwe loves the United States and wants to join the airforce and I told him about my time as a Marine. For the record and to settle any and all disputes: we may bicker back and forth about who's more badass, Marines or Army but if you ask anyone from any other nation, particularly shitholes in africa and the ME they know hahahahahaha.... semper fi, gents! Homeboy felt blessed to be riding through the hood in a bigass truck with a jarhead and his belgian mal 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎🤣
I saw some Air Force special operations airmen in training using a laser that literally looked like something out of science fiction. It was insanely bright and looked unreal.
The FDA allows class 4 lasers as long as they have safety features to prevent going to full power by accident wicked and sanwu lasers sell 7 watt lasers the world's strongest handheld pointer for $200 -400, The firearms Industry has been lacking when it comes to lasers
Because they’re visible lasers, but they don’t allow Class 3 IR lasers due to them being labeled as a regulated medical device. But yes you’re right you are able to go buy a class 4 visible laser.
Guys look into this 1W IR handheld laser called "IRX7" it comes with a FDA certification because it requires a key to activate full power, we need something like this for guns.
@Emmanuel Goldstein I need that hard to find plug for the wilcox raptor to hack it. my buddy had his flashed and unlocked to full power, but the company who was doing those services got sued. He also had a mawl X1 that was flashed to class 1 low power only by BE meyers so it's possible with mawls.
Surprised BE Meyers is the only one to get in the civilian game with next gen lasers, also surprised Steiner hasn't worked on a smaller varient of the D2.I know other priorities exist like Military contracts but one thing is for sure there is a very high demand for these type of devices no matter the cost.
@@paolosulit4441 Wilcox has class 1 powered RAIDs available. You are correct with L3Harris however in that they truly just don’t care about the civilian market and love to war profiteer with Uncle Sam with this never ending conflict in the Middle East. We just about had to go on strike to get them to release PVS-31’s and PANO-18’s to the commercial market. I’m not sure why they were so hesitant but I truly believe that night vision isn’t such a special niche market anymore.
@@utvwerxoffroadfabdesign4172 it’s not that they don’t simply care. It’s one of those things our corrupt govt does to undermine 2A and keep the population at a disadvantage.
Gun thots did a comparison between the mawl, the d2 and perst 3. Inn a nut shell, they didn’t think the mawl was worth the money over the d2. The d2 is thiccc, and you can see a glow from the IR illumination led, but only if is directly pointing at you. The perst is full power, and getting it repaired may be very iffy. You cannot export it back to Russia legally so it’s a touchy situation. I’ve been thinking atpialc and running a scout vampire to give me a little more illumination since I’m gonna need a white light anyway
I was at a training event where the D2 illuminator got a teammate kilt in da streetz. FOF event, "bad guy" (with no nods) is hiding in thick brush, guy with D2 activates his unit to search for the target, doesnt get a positive fix on location, but "bad guy" saw the red glow from the illuminator and was able to quickly eliminate the "good guy"
That's an argument to use a handheld illuminator instead of the one on your carbine unless you have actually identified a target. Then you turn the illuminator on, scan, turn off, move. Turn illuminator on, scan, turn off, move.
Yes. Most full power "mil/le" lasers should be fine but I wouldn't use a Perst, Holosun or other lower end laser. There's also a Navsea marked LA5 specifically meant for the Mk17
@@nikanor8152 i actually have broken a Atpial C/peq15 on the Scar and I cant get my hands on the LA5 NAVSEA Peq as I dont have access as I'm not LE or military. I have been trying for a while.
Only LA5D NAVSEA units are SCAR rated. Not even MAWL, NGAL, RAID can handle it. NAVSEA units have a unique laser engraved logo on the underside, a chunkier battery cap and reverse battery orientation.
You guys need an overhead camera so that we can see the products you're talking about a little better. That lead time on my 14's is killing me! I need it so I can go play with my ATPIAL laser lol. And some ammo.... I also need some ammo
You didnt present the Holosun which works great besides the IR illum being worst in class and it being a wee chonky. Cant be beaten for the price value though.
This was a great video, gents. Thanks for the knowledge. I still dont understand the alien voodoo magic thats going on in my tubes but i sure can see good with them lol. Merry Christmas to the tnvc team 🎅🏴
@Emmanuel Goldstein where I live in NY the police and sheriff's dept. don't have access to nods let alone anything near as cool as an ngal. We let border patrol use the range at our gun club to train for a week back in october. CPB and ICE have ALL the toys. I'm a few miles from the border in Niagara Falls. They have an easy job here. They just treat americans like dicks on the way back from canada lmao. They seriously act like they might not let you back every fucking time hahaha
OP, take a look at the russian perst 3 and save you money for ammo. You'll get 90% of the performance for a significantly lower percentage of price and not have to worry about having a hot unit.
I see no practical use for a PVs-7 other than maybe hobby related stuff….stargazing, maybe stationary viewing…I had to drive with them in the military and the depth perception sucked. 14’s are where it’s at imo for entry level. I still can’t afford one tho…
So from what I’ve learned here and other places is that basically you have the D2 as an entry level laser and the mawl is the best you can buy. everything else isn’t even worth buying.
Maybe but I see a lot of guys, me included, running the Steiner Otal C and the surefire m600 vampire. I personally use the dual switch cap on the surefire and a pressure pad that activates the light and the laser at the same time. Then if I need to use the light or laser individualy I use the controls on the units themselves. Personally i like having the ability to switch the light from visible to ir. The only downside is the lack of a visible laser for zeroing.
@@project86xero this is great info. I’m trying to get into night vision but without any friends that have it to try out it’s so confusing. Just in Pvs-14’s there is like 20 levels quality and features to pick from. Haha for being such a niche market there are a ton of options but basically zero places you can go to try this stuff out before you buy it.
@@jpk9171jpk Yeah. My advice buy a mid level white phosphor pvs14. Then get a good helmet rig and try hiking with it at night. Shooting under night vision is easy. It's walking around and manipulating your gun that's tough. If you don't have a good since of direction and distance your going to run into stuff. An if you can't diagnose and clear malfunctions without looking at your gun your gonna have a bad time.
Why doesn’t TNVC promote the “TNVC triad” IR laser/ illuminator very much? I have one and it’s a great laser. As good if not better than that peq 15 and beats a few of the dbals easily. Adjustable illuminator and the laser is powerful enough to shoot out a few hundred meters in my experience. And for the price it’s hard to beat.
CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKI 🤙🤞₽₽₽ PERST GANG GANG ₽₽₽ 🍾🍾🍾🥔 btw I wasn't the one that disliked the vid lol. Good breakdown, but it would make it better if you showed a clip of the lasers through nods while talking about them.
The full power IR lasers can seriously damage your eyes instantly. You also have to worry about reflecting off a surface and hitting you or your buddies in the eyes.
I get the fact that it can cause blindness but just like we can manage a rifle and a handgun That can kill you or your buddy instantly indicates we can manage a laser. I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️ about you but death 💀 is a little more severe than blindness. That’s all I’m saying and treating them more harshly than firearms is in my opinion ridiculous but it is what it is.
Your rich uncle just showed up. He can legally buy anything he wants. He offers to buy you one. Which one do you pick? In other words, if money was no object and you had no restrictions, which one do you get????
You just provided a lot of useless information as only class ones are available to the majority of your audience I'm sure the military has informed its people about the Three B's. You need to close ups prices and unless absolutely useless. You were hard to listen to for that length of time .
I just run a PERST, just so I can flex on the FDA.
TNVC doesn't like civvies having full power gear. We might hurt ourselves. Or the children lol 🏴
@@SkeezyFPV well, considering when you order a full power laser it comes direct from mfg and not from tnvc. So regardless of what tnvc approves of, the mfg won’t ship to a non-governmental entity
Where did you get the perst?
Nah dude it's a medical device.
@@leo2742guarantee it's tacswap
Good video. Informative. Only complaint is I wish you would have showed a close up of the device's when you started talking about them individually.
Keep up the good work.
Imagine thinking civilians or former Service Members/LEOs don’t want IR aiming lasers.
It’s been a long slog but I’m happy we’re getting the market to move!
Edit: I want to thank you for supporting AR15’s vids.
Also, RailScales LEAF for a mounted fixed front sight option on the DBAL is good kit, imo.
@Emmanuel Goldstein it's not a garbage government that we have but the people we've moronically placed in those positions. I had the rare opportunity tonight to drive a new coworker of my wife's home. He's been here about a month from zimbabwe. We had a great conversation about REAL shit governments. That dude from zimbabwe loves the United States and wants to join the airforce and I told him about my time as a Marine. For the record and to settle any and all disputes: we may bicker back and forth about who's more badass, Marines or Army but if you ask anyone from any other nation, particularly shitholes in africa and the ME they know hahahahahaha.... semper fi, gents! Homeboy felt blessed to be riding through the hood in a bigass truck with a jarhead and his belgian mal 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎🤣
NVGs are expensive A/F. most people wont ever need or use them.
thanks
Νο thank you!!
You’re welcome mr gng
I saw some Air Force special operations airmen in training using a laser that literally looked like something out of science fiction. It was insanely bright and looked unreal.
thank you for your cervix
Was it an NGAL?
Yep...Petco Blue from Dollarama
IZLID?
The FDA allows class 4 lasers as long as they have safety features to prevent going to full power by accident wicked and sanwu lasers sell 7 watt lasers the world's strongest handheld pointer for $200 -400, The firearms Industry has been lacking when it comes to lasers
Because they’re visible lasers, but they don’t allow Class 3 IR lasers due to them being labeled as a regulated medical device. But yes you’re right you are able to go buy a class 4 visible laser.
Not IR lasers. Only visible.
Guys look into this 1W IR handheld laser called "IRX7" it comes with a FDA certification because it requires a key to activate full power, we need something like this for guns.
@Emmanuel Goldstein I need that hard to find plug for the wilcox raptor to hack it. my buddy had his flashed and unlocked to full power, but the company who was doing those services got sued. He also had a mawl X1 that was flashed to class 1 low power only by BE meyers so it's possible with mawls.
Surprised BE Meyers is the only one to get in the civilian game with next gen lasers, also surprised Steiner hasn't worked on a smaller varient of the D2.I know other priorities exist like Military contracts but one thing is for sure there is a very high demand for these type of devices no matter the cost.
L3, wilcox, and others know that there is a market for these lasers, they just probably don't care.
I’m sure they can make money doing a civi based laser but do they want to do the support side when a 1000 people have nit pick issues.
@@paolosulit4441 Wilcox has class 1 powered RAIDs available. You are correct with L3Harris however in that they truly just don’t care about the civilian market and love to war profiteer with Uncle Sam with this never ending conflict in the Middle East. We just about had to go on strike to get them to release PVS-31’s and PANO-18’s to the commercial market. I’m not sure why they were so hesitant but I truly believe that night vision isn’t such a special niche market anymore.
+/- .... pretty close.
@@utvwerxoffroadfabdesign4172 it’s not that they don’t simply care. It’s one of those things our corrupt govt does to undermine 2A and keep the population at a disadvantage.
Excellent video guys. I learned more watching this than I've ever cobbled together on my own.
For led IR illuminaters does more mW = more better?
Would have liked to have seen a comparison under nods. I'm split between a DBAL-D2 and a MAWL.
I’d get the MAWL if $$$ isn’t the issue. The D2 is quite big and obtrusive. The MAWL is really nice and out of the way.
FWIW
Buy once cry once
Gun thots did a comparison between the mawl, the d2 and perst 3. Inn a nut shell, they didn’t think the mawl was worth the money over the d2. The d2 is thiccc, and you can see a glow from the IR illumination led, but only if is directly pointing at you. The perst is full power, and getting it repaired may be very iffy. You cannot export it back to Russia legally so it’s a touchy situation. I’ve been thinking atpialc and running a scout vampire to give me a little more illumination since I’m gonna need a white light anyway
@@jimmyvalhalla1939 I run a vampire tied into a perst 4 for 1 button activation and it works great up to 150 yards. Now I want a perst 3.
Save up for MAWL. WORTH. IT.
So what's stopping someone from replacing the laser diode from a class 1 laser to a class 3b
Can you guys do a video on TNVC TORCH PRO MK.III INFRARED ILLUMINATOR please
Good bits of solid info, thank both of you gentlemen for stepping up... and out! KUDO'S, Seth
Bonus vShott footage 😉 awesome job guys appreciate the content!
Steiner needs to update the D2 with a much smaller illuminator with a 950nm led. The D2 is great for a civ device, but it’s just too big and heavy
Holy sh!t, with a name like Sam Houston... He would have a cult following in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!
I was at a training event where the D2 illuminator got a teammate kilt in da streetz. FOF event, "bad guy" (with no nods) is hiding in thick brush, guy with D2 activates his unit to search for the target, doesnt get a positive fix on location, but "bad guy" saw the red glow from the illuminator and was able to quickly eliminate the "good guy"
Your friend lacked light discipline.
That's an argument to use a handheld illuminator instead of the one on your carbine unless you have actually identified a target. Then you turn the illuminator on, scan, turn off, move. Turn illuminator on, scan, turn off, move.
Good information. Thank you.
Need more light. So we can see them too dark background
Put on your NODS and you can see them just fine. It's like having a secret decoder ring. LOL
@@OFFICIALUND You might even get a blem ring on your nods doing that ROFL
Does the NGAL have an option for green laser at purchase?
Awesome video and appreciate the free content!!
👍
Thank you for the education.
Is there an ir laser that can handle the recoil of the Scar 17?
Yes. Most full power "mil/le" lasers should be fine but I wouldn't use a Perst, Holosun or other lower end laser. There's also a Navsea marked LA5 specifically meant for the Mk17
@@nikanor8152 i actually have broken a Atpial C/peq15 on the Scar and I cant get my hands on the LA5 NAVSEA Peq as I dont have access as I'm not LE or military. I have been trying for a while.
Only LA5D NAVSEA units are SCAR rated. Not even MAWL, NGAL, RAID can handle it. NAVSEA units have a unique laser engraved logo on the underside, a chunkier battery cap and reverse battery orientation.
@@NattyGuy pretty much what I feared. I wasn't sure about the NGAL. I knew that they broke MAWLS though. Alright, thanks for the information bro.
@@santanagamingcinema no worries man but its simple; sell the SCAR and get an SR25.
Can someone using NV see your lazer?
Yes.
Yes 100%
Everyone can
You guys need an overhead camera so that we can see the products you're talking about a little better.
That lead time on my 14's is killing me! I need it so I can go play with my ATPIAL laser lol. And some ammo.... I also need some ammo
So what paperwork is needed to buy a Class IIIB laser without being part of the government? (There is no law that says they are GOV/LEO only devices)
buy it from a secondhand marketplace
u guys got them to make civi quad nods too.
Among these IR which brand has no red glow when look directly? I.E. completely invisible to the naked eye?
None. They will all have some glow.
You didnt present the Holosun which works great besides the IR illum being worst in class and it being a wee chonky. Cant be beaten for the price value though.
Us poor's need to be better represented
one day i'll have my atpailc from yall
Good info
This was a great video, gents. Thanks for the knowledge. I still dont understand the alien voodoo magic thats going on in my tubes but i sure can see good with them lol. Merry Christmas to the tnvc team 🎅🏴
I want laser illumination for minimal visible signature and great illumination. MAWL C1+ is looking like the only buy once cry once option
How does non LEO acquire a NGAL?
By ambushing someone that has an ngal duh.... 😎🏴
The secret ingredient is crime
@Emmanuel Goldstein where I live in NY the police and sheriff's dept. don't have access to nods let alone anything near as cool as an ngal. We let border patrol use the range at our gun club to train for a week back in october. CPB and ICE have ALL the toys. I'm a few miles from the border in Niagara Falls. They have an easy job here. They just treat americans like dicks on the way back from canada lmao. They seriously act like they might not let you back every fucking time hahaha
OP, take a look at the russian perst 3 and save you money for ammo. You'll get 90% of the performance for a significantly lower percentage of price and not have to worry about having a hot unit.
I have learned so much from you guys. And I wanted to know if you will make a video about the pros and cons of pvs7 vs pvs14 or etc?
Thanks
the 14 is better than the 7 in every way
I made one already as Jon Dufresne and I made another one together on his youtube channel
I see no practical use for a PVs-7 other than maybe hobby related stuff….stargazing, maybe stationary viewing…I had to drive with them in the military and the depth perception sucked. 14’s are where it’s at imo for entry level. I still can’t afford one tho…
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So from what I’ve learned here and other places is that basically you have the D2 as an entry level laser and the mawl is the best you can buy. everything else isn’t even worth buying.
Maybe but I see a lot of guys, me included, running the Steiner Otal C and the surefire m600 vampire. I personally use the dual switch cap on the surefire and a pressure pad that activates the light and the laser at the same time. Then if I need to use the light or laser individualy I use the controls on the units themselves.
Personally i like having the ability to switch the light from visible to ir. The only downside is the lack of a visible laser for zeroing.
And it’s very slow to transition to white light
@@project86xero this is great info. I’m trying to get into night vision but without any friends that have it to try out it’s so confusing. Just in Pvs-14’s there is like 20 levels quality and features to pick from. Haha for being such a niche market there are a ton of options but basically zero places you can go to try this stuff out before you buy it.
@@BobBob-il2ku I prefer that. Don't want my white light going off while I'm doing night time spooky pews.
@@jpk9171jpk Yeah. My advice buy a mid level white phosphor pvs14. Then get a good helmet rig and try hiking with it at night. Shooting under night vision is easy. It's walking around and manipulating your gun that's tough.
If you don't have a good since of direction and distance your going to run into stuff. An if you can't diagnose and clear malfunctions without looking at your gun your gonna have a bad time.
Just curious, why wasn’t the peq16 mentioned?
It’s kinda rare and frankly irrelevant especially in the civilian market ig
No Ngal?
Its on the table
LA5 & fp peq 15
Asian John Lovell!
>not including the PERST
my sides.
I don't want class 1. I want 3B.
Why doesn’t TNVC promote the “TNVC triad” IR laser/ illuminator very much? I have one and it’s a great laser. As good if not better than that peq 15 and beats a few of the dbals easily. Adjustable illuminator and the laser is powerful enough to shoot out a few hundred meters in my experience. And for the price it’s hard to beat.
CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKI
🤙🤞₽₽₽ PERST GANG GANG ₽₽₽ 🍾🍾🍾🥔
btw I wasn't the one that disliked the vid lol. Good breakdown, but it would make it better if you showed a clip of the lasers through nods while talking about them.
Add one to the gang, here.
Perst gang member as well
No perst love cept those tat are loyal
NO PRICES?? ONE CAN not choose or compare property. Without prices of the units.
Christopher nyc
AH SHIT...... IT’S AUGGIE!!!
I almost need night vision to watch this video lol can hardly see you.
Worrying about eye safety when it’s going on a weapon that’s lethal. 🤔thanks for the video.
you'll still be using it for training
The full power IR lasers can seriously damage your eyes instantly. You also have to worry about reflecting off a surface and hitting you or your buddies in the eyes.
I get the fact that it can cause blindness but just like we can manage a rifle and a handgun That can kill you or your buddy instantly indicates we can manage a laser.
I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️ about you but death 💀 is a little more severe than blindness.
That’s all I’m saying and treating them more harshly than firearms is in my opinion ridiculous but it is what it is.
@@nycdrummer23 the problem is most people wouldn’t even know it was on and this very dangerous to the eyeball.
@@nycdrummer23 no shit lol.
Man on the right looks like he wants to kick something's ass. I understand. Lol. Great video, thx for the info, gentlemen.
Lol
Great info in the video. Long story short is buy a MAWL C1+ lol
Or buy an NGAL
@@jetburrito5205 damn you FDA!
@@bluffcityquietpills just go to tacswap decent amount of full powered lasers there. they just happen to be real expensive
Didn't even know I was subscribed
Tape a construction laser to your rifle lol
mawl is not worth it for the price you can spend 1/3 or half that on different laser n illumination options
Perst gang
Influencers won't promote the perst products until zentico pays them to.
@@RomanCatholic001 no they just don’t give a shit about supporting Russia.
on the Day the Gen 3 drops too.
Support Russia and send your money over seas Gang.
@@lnaesll with all the support you give to China, a few thousand dollars to Russia won't matter.
So in summary, you have to spend $3500 for a MAWL C1 in order to get a decent IR illuminator with laser combo. Thanks a lot Brandon.
Give me Class 3 or give me death no step on snek.
Best foreign device that isn’t regulated? Other than Perst...
One day I’ll have a mawl...
But not this day
Your rich uncle just showed up. He can legally buy anything he wants. He offers to buy you one. Which one do you pick? In other words, if money was no object and you had no restrictions, which one do you get????
NAGL
Just buy a legally acquired FP laser and flex on the FDA
Flannel guy awesome...could have done without sign language guy all together.
Sam, you look good with a beard. Grow it out some.
Perst gang🤘🏽
Use video ,not hand waving .
SHOW ME THE DIFFERENCE !!!
When did Channing Tatum start to go grey?! Just for Men Tatum... Just for men.
You just provided a lot of useless information as only class ones are available to the majority of your audience I'm sure the military has informed its people about the Three B's. You need to close ups prices and unless absolutely useless. You were hard to listen to for that length of time .
So many regulations. Garbage 🗑️
Raid x shadow legends
Why do people buy these over priced gadgets ?????
The warranty is also non existent.
Keep throwing your $$$$ away guys