@@MrJkrisiak They have really struggled with quality control lately. Their value proposition is also terrible; they seem to cost more, do less, and have problems with basic reliability and warranty when compared with CHINESE competition
USB plugin is so you can have an external battery pack strapped to your rifle to give the unit 2-5x more life. You can likely hook this up to one of those verified 5amp-hour 21700 Nitecore or Fenix batteries packs.
Holy crap, Didn't even think about that! That's the main problem with these kinds of laser units is they're not gonna last too long if you are running the illuminator and laser for prolonged periods of time... then you gotta fumble around for a battery at night...Maybe someone could come up with a QD battery pack you could add/remove as needed.
Thinking of snagging a ls321g from a local shop. They have it for 600. Think that’s a decent price? Already have 1 gun with a dbal d2 and don’t wanna pay another 1300 for a second one of those lol
The external power supply is an interesting concept. Having a battery in each device hanging off the end of a rifle (where their perceived weight is greater because they're on the end of a lever, rather than close to the body of the shooter) definitely changes how it feels to point it. I could see an argument for having one single power supply for all the doodads which was mounted closer to the receiver or perhaps even on the shooter's rig, which might also allow you to make the devices themselves smaller since they wouldn't need to accommodate their own on board battery. I doubt this will ever become the standard, but it's kind of a neat idea.
With all of the grips and forends with battery compartments you'd think this would be more popular. A USB power unit with multiple ports or a two/three way cord doesn't seem too ridiculous if all of the required cords are properly strapped down.
I think someone will come up with a powered rail system and change the entire industry to remote mounted batteries. The rail would eliminate routing wires and snags.
I use a 20ah pack on my yoter to power the thermal scope and anything else I need to power. I really like it. Its not particularly sleek, but it sure beats calling off a hunt early because your batteries died
Hop, have you considered using this laser unit as part of one of your HK modernization projects? With its extremely small footprint you could probably slap it on the side of your PTR 9CT and have a fun little PCC setup for night shoots. Just a thought.
Also the fact that the white light is pretty anemic. If you really must have a laser on your MP5ish the best (OK, least bad) option IMO would be to mount a dedicated pistol laser onto the pic rail on top of the receiver ahead of your optic...if yours has one (pic rail, that is). But, again IMO, mounting real estate on the MP5 is so limited that a good, powerful white light* is probably the most you'd want. Otherwise you'll end up trying to wrap your mitts around a forend so cluttered with gadgetry that an orangutan would have trouble gripping it. * or maybe, if you run NVGs, a dual white/IR light like a SF Vampire.
I think this is a really solid unit as a secondary device. Not what I put out on my primary night gun but a good option if you’re looking for a secondary that can easily swap between guns. The vis laser means you can zero it at home 85% or so without going to the range at night. Pretty compelling package and lots of optionality. Holosun seems pretty bulletproof in terms of reliability.
Considering most people who buy this wont really 'need' it and wont be doing anything offensive with it against a near peer, the ability to combine all your crap into one unit and reduce weight and clutter on the weapon seems like a decent trade off for a reduction in performance.
@@AmazonWebService98 a civilian near peer may not have night vision. They are more likely to have a rifle and a flashlight at best. Even that is a highly unlikely situation. Whats the use case where you need a device like this but you also need a device more capable or complex than this but you are planning to stay within the civilian legal laser classification? That seems like a rare scenario indeed.
in order to get into guns at this level of commitment, you would need to sell all your properties and belongings, buy a tiny little home or apartment with no furnishings, purchase exactly one bed, desk, safe, and computer. the necessary appliances for cooking and washing, and then food. that's it. then the only other things in your home or apartment would be guns, night vision goggles, lasers, grips, helmets, vests, etc. the entire space would be empty save for the safe inside the closet filled with the above mentioned.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 or or, get yourself into a good income bracket, save, invest, and buy all this stuff in bits and pieces over a long period of time. It took me years to buy my full kit and I don't need to eat instant ramen.
I grabbed an LE321G a week ago and I like it quite well. It's on my aero M5 which I've tried to make as slick and as light as possible while still having all of the functionality I want. It's kind of expensive for what it is, but there's not really much to compete with it unless you want to double the price and get a perst-2.
I just picked up the LE117IR. Overall I’m extremely happy with it. When in low and high mode I can’t tell a difference. But brightness is the same as my Peq in low mode.
As always, presenting the new IR hotness with all the info I'm too lazy to read on my own. I'm hoping to return the favor soon with an IR device it seems may have flown under your radar so far.
I could see the USB cable being handy if you were out of batteries, were not able to resupply soon and had a small solar charged battery pack. While I'd hope I never had to have that long of a cable or a battery pack mounted to my weapon somehow, I can certainly understand an engineer adding this option.
@Hoplopfheil - Thank you for doing these product reviews. Will you be doing a product review for the Holosun LE/LS 420? Curious how the IR illuminator compares to the 321.
Looks like you finally found a device for your mp5😅 I'm dreading having to buy a D2 cause PERST 3 is gonna be a tough one one to catch. Does the QC follow the D2 or did they actually take pride in it I can't find anyone roasting it online
The FDA controls IR lasers because they are considered medical devices. And anything over .07 mill watts falls on the FDA radar. That’s why military grade illuminator ars so expensive and have to be bought second hand.
I’m wondering if titanium products are going to become prohibitively expensive or rare? Russia is a major exporter of titanium and current events will probably affect the supply soon.
Bummed to hear how his unit performs. I always wanted to get my hands on one because of the form factor. I have the dbal d2. I find that it performs greats. I dont know why holosun doesnt put in a led based illuminator in this unit like the d2. That would make it much more appealing. I find that the illuminator is more important than the laser.
There are a couple of points missing. First, white light seems to use switched, not linear stabilizer (note strobe effect when filmed on SiOnyx). This could be pretty bad when used with a body/helmet camera. Second, it's unclear how USB power works together with batteries. Does it have a priority when plugged in even when batteries are installed? That's how Flir Breach works, for example. I also think that the largest USB Type A connector on the other end of that cable is the worst possible solution.
I had an le321 for about 7min. As soon as I tried the illuminator, I sent the thing back. Honeslty, I love the functionality and design of the le321, but it's illuminator basically makes it next to useless. I would LOVE to get my hands on a FP holosun unit.
My guess is the usb port is to run this off of a portable charger. Fighters in the middle east have been taping them to m16 stocks for constant power on thermal optics using a usb cable. Just a theory tho
Thanks for the review! In your opinion, which would you choose the LE321 or the LS421? I'm on a budget and want to get something that has everything in one unit. I know out of these two one is titanium and one is aluminum but was wondering overall features and function wise. Any other ones you recommend for similar price point? Thanks a bunch man.
pretty sure the usb external battery setup is for hunting. i use this setup with my atn thermal for long nights. battery runs low just plug in a power pack and keep hunting.
Was considering this for my spear lt in 300blk. Probably cap the light and use a surefire. Don’t have nods yer but a local range does night shoots with rentals so I thought it would be nice to have my rifle zeroed with a laser I could just rent nods and go
Hey Hop, just wondering if you had any hands on time or heard anything about the holosun LE420 or LS variation. Just wondering if it's any better than the 321. Stat wise it looks the same on paper, however just wondering if it's an improvement or a step backwards. Desperately just trying to find the best bang for my buck IR device. The holosuns sounded promising but based on your feedback not sure if I'd touch them over some of the competitors.
Almost definitely the same output power as the 321. The market for IR devices sucks right now, the LS321 is a good entry level device while you wait for things to improve.
I finally upgraded from my LS321 to a DBAL D2. Aaaand the D2 was bunk out of the box. Waiting for a replacement and currently back to my trusty LS321 🤕
Something to think about with the USB power option: in a SHTF scenario, batteries will disappear pretty quickly and you won't be able to replace them, while you might have a power source with which you can recharge the external USB battery pack. The best LAM on the planet won't do you any good if your battery is dead and you can't replace it. There's also the fact that you can't store the unit with a battery in it so if I need to grab the rifle and go in 10 seconds at night it's a lot faster to plug in a USB cable than to open and close the battery compartment. After watching about 6 hours of videos like this and obsessing over it for a few weeks I finally went with this unit for my GPR because (a) I keep hearing, including from this channel, how unreliable and fragile the Steiners are, which takes them completely off the table as far as I am concerned, and (b) I see it as extremely unlikely that I'll ever need to engage any target with NODs at over 150 yards or so (not coincidentally, the distance from my house to the road), and this laser seems adequate for that. In any case my ability to ID a target at longer range than that with any night vision I'm ever going to be able to afford is probably about zero. I also regard a coaxial visible and IR laser as an absolute minimum so I can check my zero against my optic without having to do any target shooting at night.
IMHO if they set the switch to Vis upper and IR lower it would have been more desirable than low upper/high lower. Accidentally punching white light instead of IR is no bueno.
Have you ever tried running one NVG Monocular and one Thermal Monocular on a helmet mount simultaneously? I wonder what your brain would think of it and if it would be usable for hunting/stalking.
In my experience it’s better to just source white and IR light separately as you will get better in that sake and can place those items somewhere else. Then get their le221g model and have IR and green laser separately which doesn’t have dispersion and not worried about placing all the way out front on the muzzle to not cast as lasers don’t usually do this.
Hated on holosun a lot before for being cheap and patent infringement on US companies, but I have a hs403c with the riser and the only complaint I really have is the red dot isn’t a “perfect circle” but you really gotta focus on the dot instead of looking through it to see it. Not a terrible entry option till I upgrade to an aimpoint t2.
I made the plunge from a holosun 503gu to a T2 and honestly i like the 503 more and can honestly say I was a little disappointed in the T2. The glass wasn't as clear as the holosun, in that it had a little distortion(and I bought it from Aimpoint direct so no it wasn't a knock off) if you're happy with the holosun don't pay full price for a T2. YMMV.
So I'm just getting into the NV game... You said the Holosun, more or less, is a little scrawny for any full size or "duty" rifle use. What is the best value out there for an IR laser illuminator on a 16 inch AR?
I've read & heard a lot of complaints from others in NV training classes. It seems all IR units out there have issues. Only true reliables seem to be BE Meyers, l3 Harris and Surefire.
Idk why this got recommended to me, but your voice is remarkably similar to Brandon Herrera's. Slightly different, but your accent and mannerisms are so similar lol Especially when you say "or"
There always seems to be a big focus on the civ power vs. Mil/LE power IR lasers and illuminators, but how much does that really matter? I'm not trying to be a dick, these are things I don't know and I don't have the facilities to test. Practical examples Through a non-magnified tube, what's the maximum distance for target PID? Just the same, but how about target PID where there are threat targets intermixed with friendlies? When aiming via an IR laser, how far away can a person reliably make hits? For discussion sake, hits inside the C-Zone. When aiming via an IR laser, how far away can a person reliably make a low probability shot?
@@paraglidingnut26 the persts are better quality than the dbal a3. I don't like the civvie peq 15 any more than the a3 honestly. The feel is better, but the illuminator sucks. Once you add a 3d printed filter to the persts it really cleans up the laser quite nicely. I use surefires for additional illum when needed.
XVL2-IRC is probably better on a pistol but I find LED based unfocused IR illuminators to be of questionable utility. And it'll probably run about $300 more than the LE321.
@@Hoplopfheil thanks! I just pulled the trigger on the LE321G and I’ll give it a run. I like the size and options for not completely destroying my bank account. Thanks for all of the great videos on night vision and IR. I bought a gen 3 Elbit WP last week and in part due to all of your great videos. Stay frosty! Cheers!
FYI the new LE420 can be had for around 1200 with a much brighter 600 lumen light and 18650 compatibility. Not sure if the illuminator is any better though.
All these devices are very annoying, especially when performance seems to be underwhelming. What is a cost effective and reasonably performing IR Laser / IR illuminator/ Vis laser (for zeroing) that also isn’t huge? Does that even exist??
As a 'murican, I wondered what it felt like for European people watching gun channels showing off stuff they were never likely to own. As a dirty poor, watching reviews of night vision gear has educated me on this feeling.
So basically.. it's acceptable for farting around shooting varmints in the dark and doing drills where you'd rather not risk damaging a superior unit. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have lasers on a hunting rig while predator hunting with friends.
It's too bad no one offers an after market hot rod ...oops I mean repair service to bump the power up on these units via a 3rd party. I'm wondering if the USB has a programing feature to hack the device and reprogram it to full power. The other possible methods are most laser diodes have a small POT on the diode board to adj the output. It could also be a resister that needs to be removed in the way it's done on some of the handheld HAM radio units . Ahhhhmmmmm.;) I'll let someone else do the experimenting with more techno background to let us all know if it's possible. If so, I'd grab one in a hot second . The only thing that would be cool is to have a LEP (Laser Excited Phosphor ) white light head threaded on .
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Why the hate for Steiner? Asking for me! 🥴
@@MrJkrisiak They have really struggled with quality control lately. Their value proposition is also terrible; they seem to cost more, do less, and have problems with basic reliability and warranty when compared with CHINESE competition
The USB connection is so you can strobe the white light in sync with your favorite vtuber meme songs
USB plugin is so you can have an external battery pack strapped to your rifle to give the unit 2-5x more life. You can likely hook this up to one of those verified 5amp-hour 21700 Nitecore or Fenix batteries packs.
Holy crap, Didn't even think about that! That's the main problem with these kinds of laser units is they're not gonna last too long if you are running the illuminator and laser for prolonged periods of time... then you gotta fumble around for a battery at night...Maybe someone could come up with a QD battery pack you could add/remove as needed.
@@mr.c.3760 DeWalt powered illuminator for emplacement guns!
I thought that was kind of obvious...
Also could move the batteries to your stock and bring weight off the front of your rail.
You're telling me it's not so I can use it to charge my phone?
You can use the aux port to plug into your car, buy a 300ft usb cable and all set for long range missions
You'll have unlimited power as long as the vechicle has fuel
genius
The IR system is the most frustrating aspect of the NV game. There are a lot of options but trying to figure out the best one isn't the easiest task.
Yesssss
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Holosun needs to adopt a better nomenclature convention.
T=Titanium
A6 = 6000 series Aluminum
A7 = 7000 series Aluminum
Thinking of snagging a ls321g from a local shop. They have it for 600. Think that’s a decent price?
Already have 1 gun with a dbal d2 and don’t wanna pay another 1300 for a second one of those lol
Yep that's a decent price and the LS321 makes for a great backup/secondary unit.
Thats a steal. I grabbed mine for 630.
The external power supply is an interesting concept. Having a battery in each device hanging off the end of a rifle (where their perceived weight is greater because they're on the end of a lever, rather than close to the body of the shooter) definitely changes how it feels to point it. I could see an argument for having one single power supply for all the doodads which was mounted closer to the receiver or perhaps even on the shooter's rig, which might also allow you to make the devices themselves smaller since they wouldn't need to accommodate their own on board battery. I doubt this will ever become the standard, but it's kind of a neat idea.
Coming from a background of airsoft, routing a wire to the stock of a stock with storage space as done with airsoft guns
With all of the grips and forends with battery compartments you'd think this would be more popular. A USB power unit with multiple ports or a two/three way cord doesn't seem too ridiculous if all of the required cords are properly strapped down.
I think someone will come up with a powered rail system and change the entire industry to remote mounted batteries. The rail would eliminate routing wires and snags.
@@TheOlsonOutfit the us army NGSW program includes a powered rail. Some company has already made one, can’t remember off the top of my head
I use a 20ah pack on my yoter to power the thermal scope and anything else I need to power. I really like it. Its not particularly sleek, but it sure beats calling off a hunt early because your batteries died
I find that whenever I go and find the things you review in person, its like 2x as big 🤣 you are TALL!
Hop, have you considered using this laser unit as part of one of your HK modernization projects? With its extremely small footprint you could probably slap it on the side of your PTR 9CT and have a fun little PCC setup for night shoots. Just a thought.
There's almost no point since the activation would still suck, and MP5 handguards don't hold zero.
Also the fact that the white light is pretty anemic. If you really must have a laser on your MP5ish the best (OK, least bad) option IMO would be to mount a dedicated pistol laser onto the pic rail on top of the receiver ahead of your optic...if yours has one (pic rail, that is).
But, again IMO, mounting real estate on the MP5 is so limited that a good, powerful white light* is probably the most you'd want. Otherwise you'll end up trying to wrap your mitts around a forend so cluttered with gadgetry that an orangutan would have trouble gripping it.
* or maybe, if you run NVGs, a dual white/IR light like a SF Vampire.
@@Hoplopfheil Did you get to read all the heat you made on the HK forums? It's the best! You stirred up the fudd army!
which kinda just equates to them pulling out their Brooks running shoes and a fresh pair of Wranglers to throw some heat on the keyboard
I think this is a really solid unit as a secondary device. Not what I put out on my primary night gun but a good option if you’re looking for a secondary that can easily swap between guns. The vis laser means you can zero it at home 85% or so without going to the range at night. Pretty compelling package and lots of optionality. Holosun seems pretty bulletproof in terms of reliability.
When talking about a $1300 gizmo, I'll take the pedantry!
HA ! The review I was waiting for. Thanks !
Considering most people who buy this wont really 'need' it and wont be doing anything offensive with it against a near peer, the ability to combine all your crap into one unit and reduce weight and clutter on the weapon seems like a decent trade off for a reduction in performance.
what near peer, you think you can just run around with IR lasers at night , they'd see everything,
@@AmazonWebService98 a civilian near peer may not have night vision. They are more likely to have a rifle and a flashlight at best. Even that is a highly unlikely situation. Whats the use case where you need a device like this but you also need a device more capable or complex than this but you are planning to stay within the civilian legal laser classification? That seems like a rare scenario indeed.
in order to get into guns at this level of commitment, you would need to sell all your properties and belongings, buy a tiny little home or apartment with no furnishings, purchase exactly one bed, desk, safe, and computer. the necessary appliances for cooking and washing, and then food. that's it. then the only other things in your home or apartment would be guns, night vision goggles, lasers, grips, helmets, vests, etc. the entire space would be empty save for the safe inside the closet filled with the above mentioned.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 not really. Prioritize and save. Fewer guns, more accessories.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 or or, get yourself into a good income bracket, save, invest, and buy all this stuff in bits and pieces over a long period of time. It took me years to buy my full kit and I don't need to eat instant ramen.
I grabbed an LE321G a week ago and I like it quite well. It's on my aero M5 which I've tried to make as slick and as light as possible while still having all of the functionality I want. It's kind of expensive for what it is, but there's not really much to compete with it unless you want to double the price and get a perst-2.
Actually interesting. You could potentially mount a battery pack to your gun somewhere, use that 5V cable, and extend battery life significantly.
nice tip linus
@@AkinaJVS thanks gotta keep the scrubs tipped up.
Thinking of doing this for a potential helmet idea I got
Thanks again Hop great intel.
just found ur channel and idk if anyone has told you this before but u kinda look like young rob lowe but with better hair. love ur content.
I just picked up the LE117IR.
Overall I’m extremely happy with it. When in low and high mode I can’t tell a difference. But brightness is the same as my Peq in low mode.
Since you own the Peq civilian, are you happy with it?
I absolutely love my LE117IR!!!
As always, presenting the new IR hotness with all the info I'm too lazy to read on my own. I'm hoping to return the favor soon with an IR device it seems may have flown under your radar so far.
Oh man I hope it's the DesignatIR
I could see the USB cable being handy if you were out of batteries, were not able to resupply soon and had a small solar charged battery pack. While I'd hope I never had to have that long of a cable or a battery pack mounted to my weapon somehow, I can certainly understand an engineer adding this option.
I could also see it being useful for a helmet-mounted setup. Since this unit also has a LE/AF version then it could just be a carry-over from that.
@@Kindhamster Since it's light enough. But everyone I've trained with uses a single cell ir light on their helnets.
@Hoplopfheil - Thank you for doing these product reviews. Will you be doing a product review for the Holosun LE/LS 420? Curious how the IR illuminator compares to the 321.
I don't plan to get one. The illuminator should be identical.
Looks like you finally found a device for your mp5😅 I'm dreading having to buy a D2 cause PERST 3 is gonna be a tough one one to catch.
Does the QC follow the D2 or did they actually take pride in it I can't find anyone roasting it online
So why doesn't HS sell us the cool guy power level IR units from overseas?
Government restrictions.
The FDA controls IR lasers because they are considered medical devices. And anything over .07 mill watts falls on the FDA radar. That’s why military grade illuminator ars so expensive and have to be bought second hand.
@@MrMattydavee Perst gets around it somehow
@@kilroy5166 perst is imported into the states, Holosun has an HQ on US grounds.
I’m wondering if titanium products are going to become prohibitively expensive or rare? Russia is a major exporter of titanium and current events will probably affect the supply soon.
Thanks Hop 👍🏻
Bummed to hear how his unit performs. I always wanted to get my hands on one because of the form factor. I have the dbal d2. I find that it performs greats. I dont know why holosun doesnt put in a led based illuminator in this unit like the d2. That would make it much more appealing. I find that the illuminator is more important than the laser.
Is the D2 weight noticeable to you?
The removable white light and remote power are significant changes. At least for me.
Good info
I have one with the blue screw. It’s awesome.
I have no interest in the product, just watch because I enjoy your commentary and thoughts.
Honestly think the Phantom Hill CTF-2 is a more exciting prospect than most of this other stuff.
The new model's ability to accept surefire threaded heads really puts it on another level.
There are a couple of points missing. First, white light seems to use switched, not linear stabilizer (note strobe effect when filmed on SiOnyx). This could be pretty bad when used with a body/helmet camera. Second, it's unclear how USB power works together with batteries. Does it have a priority when plugged in even when batteries are installed? That's how Flir Breach works, for example. I also think that the largest USB Type A connector on the other end of that cable is the worst possible solution.
Maybe the perfect device for the recover tactical brace side rail
I had an le321 for about 7min. As soon as I tried the illuminator, I sent the thing back. Honeslty, I love the functionality and design of the le321, but it's illuminator basically makes it next to useless. I would LOVE to get my hands on a FP holosun unit.
Dude if you want an illuminator that lights up targets at 1000yards the Coyote Reaper® will do the job!!😎👍
Wonder if they'll sell a full power to leo with individual creds, or that triggers a need for actual agency paperwork for a departmental order
My guess is the usb port is to run this off of a portable charger. Fighters in the middle east have been taping them to m16 stocks for constant power on thermal optics using a usb cable. Just a theory tho
Hop, what’s your top pick of an IR/Laser/Illuminator/ laser/light regardless of price?
Thx! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Hope you can get your hands on the US Night Vision Designate IR for a review. That thing looks promising.
I'm not convinced it's a real thing
Thanks for the review! In your opinion, which would you choose the LE321 or the LS421? I'm on a budget and want to get something that has everything in one unit. I know out of these two one is titanium and one is aluminum but was wondering overall features and function wise. Any other ones you recommend for similar price point? Thanks a bunch man.
I like how this sounds like you recorded it in a men's locker room
pretty sure the usb external battery setup is for hunting. i use this setup with my atn thermal for long nights. battery runs low just plug in a power pack and keep hunting.
Was considering this for my spear lt in 300blk. Probably cap the light and use a surefire. Don’t have nods yer but a local range does night shoots with rentals so I thought it would be nice to have my rifle zeroed with a laser I could just rent nods and go
So if this is all in one why is the le420 different and more expensive? Does it have dual battery and brighter white light?
Fuel al gore's rhythm
Have a one time chance to get night vision and ir laser for under 5k what would you recommend for cost and quality? FYI new suscribir love your chanel
Is it possible that the 5V USB power cable is for recharging a rechargeable battery if you use one instead of a regular battery?
Hey Hop, just wondering if you had any hands on time or heard anything about the holosun LE420 or LS variation. Just wondering if it's any better than the 321. Stat wise it looks the same on paper, however just wondering if it's an improvement or a step backwards. Desperately just trying to find the best bang for my buck IR device. The holosuns sounded promising but based on your feedback not sure if I'd touch them over some of the competitors.
Almost definitely the same output power as the 321. The market for IR devices sucks right now, the LS321 is a good entry level device while you wait for things to improve.
@@Hoplopfheil thanks for the input Hop. We appreciate all you do!
Thinking of purchasing this, is the green visible laser any good? Anything better for a visible laser ?
I finally upgraded from my LS321 to a DBAL D2. Aaaand the D2 was bunk out of the box. Waiting for a replacement and currently back to my trusty LS321 🤕
Something to think about with the USB power option: in a SHTF scenario, batteries will disappear pretty quickly and you won't be able to replace them, while you might have a power source with which you can recharge the external USB battery pack. The best LAM on the planet won't do you any good if your battery is dead and you can't replace it. There's also the fact that you can't store the unit with a battery in it so if I need to grab the rifle and go in 10 seconds at night it's a lot faster to plug in a USB cable than to open and close the battery compartment.
After watching about 6 hours of videos like this and obsessing over it for a few weeks I finally went with this unit for my GPR because (a) I keep hearing, including from this channel, how unreliable and fragile the Steiners are, which takes them completely off the table as far as I am concerned, and (b) I see it as extremely unlikely that I'll ever need to engage any target with NODs at over 150 yards or so (not coincidentally, the distance from my house to the road), and this laser seems adequate for that. In any case my ability to ID a target at longer range than that with any night vision I'm ever going to be able to afford is probably about zero. I also regard a coaxial visible and IR laser as an absolute minimum so I can check my zero against my optic without having to do any target shooting at night.
IMHO if they set the switch to Vis upper and IR lower it would have been more desirable than low upper/high lower. Accidentally punching white light instead of IR is no bueno.
Nice video
Is it possible to run flip irons in front of the device or will that block the emitters?
Whenever I’m able to finally afford NODS I’m gonna go with the LS321.
Yep it's a good start
Serve p/ pistola G3c ,e se não qual seria?
Could make a good bullpup LAM unit with how limited you are on attachment real estate especially on the AUG A3 M1.
I put one on an x95 and it seems to work well indoors and at short distances outdoors.
Have you ever tried running one NVG Monocular and one Thermal Monocular on a helmet mount simultaneously? I wonder what your brain would think of it and if it would be usable for hunting/stalking.
Probably get a headache after about 30 minutes or nausea...
There are devices that incorporate NV and thermal in the same display.
@@rangerdanger222 Can you name me one that you can buy?
@@DUKEisALIVE TNVC has the ECOTI for the low low price of $8500
@@grif5447 Thats a pass for me :D
I got the holosun le420 and honestly it seems the ir illumination is maybe slightly better but not enough. However the light it as an acceptable level
Can you confirm it can take a 18650?
I have the ls221 not bad in my opinion kinda limited but for my application is fine.
Just got one of these, and this gen(?) does have a dual high ir mode. Still no dual low IR mode tho.
I was gonna say this would be ideal with a sub gun type thing.
Any preference of passive vs active nv aiming
I hope Cloud defensive will eventually get into the LAM market
In my experience it’s better to just source white and IR light separately as you will get better in that sake and can place those items somewhere else. Then get their le221g model and have IR and green laser separately which doesn’t have dispersion and not worried about placing all the way out front on the muzzle to not cast as lasers don’t usually do this.
That’s going to be my strategy.
Does the LE321G IR laser and illuminator has a visible red glow when look at it with the naked eyes?
So.. LE = Lots of Extra stuff.... LS = Less Shit!
Very well said.
Hey its the thing they use for video game rangefinder attachment
Hop, Are the LE models any more durable than their comparable LS models?
Hated on holosun a lot before for being cheap and patent infringement on US companies, but I have a hs403c with the riser and the only complaint I really have is the red dot isn’t a “perfect circle” but you really gotta focus on the dot instead of looking through it to see it. Not a terrible entry option till I upgrade to an aimpoint t2.
I made the plunge from a holosun 503gu to a T2 and honestly i like the 503 more and can honestly say I was a little disappointed in the T2. The glass wasn't as clear as the holosun, in that it had a little distortion(and I bought it from Aimpoint direct so no it wasn't a knock off) if you're happy with the holosun don't pay full price for a T2. YMMV.
The usb would make it so you can run it off of a power pack? Then you can have longer run times?
So, out of the available civilian IR laser and IR illuminator devices, whats your hierarchy?
So the le are lower mount profile and titanium vs aluminum and higher ls series
Thank you for this, I now know I can stay happy with my LS321G & not shell out more money...
So I'm just getting into the NV game... You said the Holosun, more or less, is a little scrawny for any full size or "duty" rifle use. What is the best value out there for an IR laser illuminator on a 16 inch AR?
Estonia Defense Forces use this IR on their LMT RAHE 20 rifles. I’d say it’s pretty good!
@@lone556wolf2 thanks! Going to look a little more into it. I have a 503g, 507c and their 3x magnifier so I'm definitely in the Holosun fan club
As much of a hot mess as Steiner is, what are your thoughts on the DBAL-D2?
Probably the best choice in the market right now which isn't saying much.
@@Hoplopfheil talk about damning through faint praise 🤣, thanks!
Damn, I was days away from buying the DBAL D2, but sounds like Steiner really isn't the way to go?
There are no good options but the D2 is one of the least worst options.
I've read & heard a lot of complaints from others in NV training classes. It seems all IR units out there have issues.
Only true reliables seem to be BE Meyers, l3 Harris and Surefire.
@@Hoplopfheil I thought you liked the MAWL?
For the price, would you get the LE over the LS?
Nope
is this offset for a front sight?
It's not cheap but I'll go with The LE117ir and Surefire with a taps Button on my main rifle. AT least its not steiner.
The USB feature is so you can defend yourself from your PC when you get swatted while streaming on twitch
Is that a normal price for an illuminator?
For an illuminator/laser combo, yes.
Idk why this got recommended to me, but your voice is remarkably similar to Brandon Herrera's. Slightly different, but your accent and mannerisms are so similar lol
Especially when you say "or"
What happened with the mic?
There always seems to be a big focus on the civ power vs. Mil/LE power IR lasers and illuminators, but how much does that really matter?
I'm not trying to be a dick, these are things I don't know and I don't have the facilities to test.
Practical examples
Through a non-magnified tube, what's the maximum distance for target PID?
Just the same, but how about target PID where there are threat targets intermixed with friendlies?
When aiming via an IR laser, how far away can a person reliably make hits? For discussion sake, hits inside the C-Zone.
When aiming via an IR laser, how far away can a person reliably make a low probability shot?
So we’re stuck buying fp peq15’s or a mawl still. Way to go Holosun.
Why not persts :)
I'm looking at surefire, as well.
@@no-sway3709 For the long haul, most NV dudes want better quality.
@@paraglidingnut26 the persts are better quality than the dbal a3. I don't like the civvie peq 15 any more than the a3 honestly. The feel is better, but the illuminator sucks.
Once you add a 3d printed filter to the persts it really cleans up the laser quite nicely. I use surefires for additional illum when needed.
The mythical unicorn!
3 2 1 go
3 2 1 let's jam
@@Hoplopfheil Cue brass (not facts).
@@Hoplopfheil Hop is an anime fan confirmed.
@@Guntank214 he would make a half decent Spike.
How would you rate this against the new Surefire all in one VX2 something something something? Seems like the same price point….
XVL2-IRC is probably better on a pistol but I find LED based unfocused IR illuminators to be of questionable utility. And it'll probably run about $300 more than the LE321.
@@Hoplopfheil thanks! I just pulled the trigger on the LE321G and I’ll give it a run. I like the size and options for not completely destroying my bank account. Thanks for all of the great videos on night vision and IR. I bought a gen 3 Elbit WP last week and in part due to all of your great videos. Stay frosty! Cheers!
Does this work with the taps sync?
Yeah but that's totally pointless
Well hell yeah
Oh yeah… thank you.
I want a cheaper laser for my fighting rifle and it's between this or the Odin mini light laser combo.
FYI the new LE420 can be had for around 1200 with a much brighter 600 lumen light and 18650 compatibility. Not sure if the illuminator is any better though.
LE420 Review please!
All these devices are very annoying, especially when performance seems to be underwhelming. What is a cost effective and reasonably performing IR Laser / IR illuminator/ Vis laser (for zeroing) that also isn’t huge? Does that even exist??
Such a thing does not exist on the civilian market.
@@Hoplopfheil Yes it does
@@toddinfl What is it!? Don't leave us hanging!
@@SilverNine89 Luna optics has an illuminator and designator. Way better but no visible bs.
None. Return to white light like a man
Hop when is next phase of this testing? Seems like a good fit for your ptr-9 or 300blk broke badger
Hop is tall, and handsome.
@Kiril Belikov Great flick
As a 'murican, I wondered what it felt like for European people watching gun channels showing off stuff they were never likely to own. As a dirty poor, watching reviews of night vision gear has educated me on this feeling.
So basically.. it's acceptable for farting around shooting varmints in the dark and doing drills where you'd rather not risk damaging a superior unit. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have lasers on a hunting rig while predator hunting with friends.
It's too bad no one offers an after market hot rod ...oops I mean repair service to bump the power up on these units via a 3rd party. I'm wondering if the USB has a programing feature to hack the device and reprogram it to full power. The other possible methods are most laser diodes have a small POT on the diode board to adj the output. It could also be a resister that needs to be removed in the way it's done on some of the handheld HAM radio units . Ahhhhmmmmm.;) I'll let someone else do the experimenting with more techno background to let us all know if it's possible. If so, I'd grab one in a hot second . The only thing that would be cool is to have a LEP (Laser Excited Phosphor ) white light head threaded on .