New Train Sim in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2024
- Train Planet releases in 2024. Is it the next big train simulator? Is Dovetail in trouble? What can we expect from a newly developed train simulator?
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We need a train simulator in the same vibe as Euro Truck 2. Whole countries added over time.
Train Life has attempted to do that, but the fidelity/detail is not quite there I guess.
Would be great
@@captainsman This was unrealistic and boring
@@captainsmantrain life isn't a simulator and has a bizillion problems since the devs abandoned the game long before it was done
Imagine if ETS2 and ATS was done by Dovetail, all the road networks / maps would be $10,000 worth of DLC 😂🤣
As a former train driver [UK], I quite like the look of this. I don't like the greenery going over the tracks though.
H [at the end of the platform] is where you would stop the train [H = Halt]. You had some coaches off the end of the platform.
Edit: You are breaking far too early and then coasting at low speed = losing a lot of time.
I don't know, if the greenery over tracks is that unrealistic regarding the sad state of our Rail network in Germany :D
@@MagiconIce In Germany there is definitely no greenery on the tracks. And BTW the state of the German Rail network is top notch compared with most of the other European countries. And I say this as an Austrian.
Bottom right show break cilinder pressure (yellow) and air flow (red) so you are able to check if any of a car is breaking (for example when it is defected). I Believe green number shows pulling force in Nm.
Indeed. Looks similar to the brake-pipe and consist graph you get in Run8 Train Simulator
Hi train game devs. Train games have rails and ties. Your first graphical priority should be to have them render correctly. Train Sim cannot for the life of it and neither can this, in the year 2024.
Devs today are stuck with whatever engines the big guys make. Yes, Dovetail are a bunch of lazy bums that don't bother with making things properly, but the engine isn't exactly made for vehicle simulators.
@@StuntpilootStef They are just using an old version of UE and never bothered to upgrade, just packaging DLC as a new base game every year.
@@StuntpilootStef you can also just maybe not use the same engine forever like dvt or n3v.
@@StuntpilootStef Kunos managed to make something great out of UE4
@@StuntpilootSteflol no, modern engines can do whatever you want them to do, issue is when managers think that the engine will do the heavy lifting and hire devs that lack the skill. I used unreal for architecture and digital twins for years, something that gamers consider the engine"not made for"
Thank you for adressing the issues with Dovetail. Ever since they took over from the OG trainsimulator made by Microsoft they have done the absolute minimum they could get away with. First they came with Railworks, which was a graphical improvement but gameplay wise no innovations or new ideas. Than the DLC floodgates opened, pushing content but not much else. Much could have been done with that game during the nearly 20 years of development but they chose the easy route giving the finger to many of its customers in the process. Glad there is another player on the block, if they listen to the community they will come out on top for sure.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like that first few versions of Railworks had graphical improvements each year, but then at some point they stopped, and each new version were just minor adjustments and some new routes.
Dovetail definitely deserves criticism, without a doubt. As far as innovation in a sim though how do you innovative beyond driving a realistic train from point A to B?
Trainz is still being developed, I am still playing it, and I think it is an excellent competitor to Dovetail's simulator. But the cost of its continuous backwards compatibility is that it has a lot of old content that new players can't stand. However, of all the train simulators, it has the best build tools for creative players.
I think Simrail is the biggest threat to Dovetail's market dominance. It's very lowkey at the moment, but it actually delivers in so many areas that Dovetail have flat out ignored.
@@DocXango Look at the competition. Trainz allowed multiplayer, Simrail let's you even play as the control center to make sure trains are on the right tracks. Derail let's you take on jobs and heck Train Life made it a sort of Eurotruck sim but with trains (not a very good game sadly and pretty much abandoned by the devs shortly after release). DTG can do so much more, but they take the easy, lazy, way out. Train Sim World has minor improvements with each version, something they could have patched instead of asking money for it every time. Why not finally give the players what they want hm? People been asking for tool to make their own maps in that one, people asked for multiplayer, the competition can do it so why can't they? Why not give the train sims a Eurotruck treatment? Don't have to build up the whole of Europe or America, just pick a region in a country and use that. Let people pick jobs to complete so they feel more satisfied then just picking the mission from the list, drive from A to B and depending on the sort of train you have stops in between. They have a lvling up system but why? It's not like you unlock trains or whatever?
German here, I know the whole route pretty well and commute along parts of it almost daily. I'd say it's pretty accurate, on par with TSW's version of Cologne-Aachen. If they keep this up with their other routes, Dovetail certainly has competition in that regard.
How about Squirrels punctuality? I think he was pretty much an on time schedule for the DeutscheBahn 😅
@@monacosfranz4202 Well, with all the strikes recently, he would have had to not play the game at all for the full Deutsche Bahn experience! 😆
@@sd88de13 oh how true 😂
@@monacosfranz4202 The only delays I remember recently - well, the first one was more than a delay, several trains were canceled; it was "a technical problem at a different train" ... most of my route is single-track, so I suppose the train was blocking the track and gave them trouble with moving it aside. The other one was "a police operation"; several other waiting passengers suggested it might be a major accident on a street next to the tracks, and while the opposite train was delayed 10 minutes, mine was delayed 5.
I don't think there's anything for me to blame DB for. Well, the fact it's single-track, but that decision was made a long time ago.
@@monacosfranz4202 is that also why there is no bad weather in the sim? If there is snow the game shouldn't even start for accuracy :)
I think SimRail is a good alternative to Dovetail. If, they release an Editor. And release it with Raildriver support. It will be even better.
SimRail is amazing, actually enjoyable to play. Especially with the human element and communication.
yes true. The routes are very lengthy as well. has the potential
An Editor is clearly in the workings but not available just yet. At least the button for it is already visible in the main menu although greyed out.
Once that comes out, the next big question is wether they will open up the possibility to create player-run dedicated servers or a process to review player-created routes to eventually take them into the game as DLC (and obviously paying royalties to the creators).
SimRail has the foundational elements to easily become the King of Genre, seeing how limited the DoveTail Games are and how many people are fed up with DoveTail TrainSims.
But SimRail needs way better marketing and a fair bit more communication and transparency from the devs with the playerbase.
It's a long way from competing with train sim world. Quite enjoying SimRail at the moment, especially multiplayer both driving and despatch.
Simrail is the future of train sims that will take over DTG
that wont happen
@@Bcp123 It will over time
I have travelled this route, even almost the whole RE1 line (Dortmund - Aachen), so many times that I can't remember now. Scenery modeling is pretty accurate I would say, but the stops make no sense. No train would pass Langerwehe to instead stop at Eilendorf. Also, where is Aachen Rothe Erde?
35:52 you can see the Aachen Arkaden on the left hand side and the train stop right in front.
@@l4ndl0rd I know where it is. I was asking why it's not part of the route.
Honestly this looks much similar to TSW4 (even after the content they promise to provide)
Imo the only train sim in the market, which got its things right is SimRail
Its dynamic, long routes, network is fantastic
No two journeys are same, you face a different challenge each time
Thats the only game where i find my time and money worth investing
6:29 It looks to be related to the power available, vs the speed of the train? At the start, it increased as you applied power, but gradually decreased as the train gained momentum.
I don't know about all that talk about how dominant Dovtail is and knocking it off it's perch... It's true they probably have the largest player base at the moment but I don't think they are as dominant as you describe. For me it was already knocked off it's perch, as ever since SimRail was released (which for some reason you didn't mention at all in the video - or did I miss it?), I had played TSW exactly once. And it crashed mid scenario on my chosen route, as it tends to often do. I hadn't fired it up since, for over a year now, according to steam. I play a lot of SimRail, some Derail Valley and a bit of Diesel Railcar Simulator and TramSim. TSW lost all appeal for me, and it's not because DLC costs money - it's because Dovetail have no followthrough, they keep releasing "new" versions of the sim instead of properly updating what they already have. And their routes are too short and fragmented for my liking. I like a proper network with diverging routes. Also, the multiplayer and community aspect of SimRail completely beguiled me, so all DTG offerings now just feel repetitive and deserted to me. I didn't buy TSW4 and am not planning on doing so. Now having said all that, I'm not sure "luring people away" from DTG is the right way to put it - lets face it, most of us railfans own most of the available sims on the market anyway, at least in some form.
This new sim looks nice, I like German stuff, and the cab sway feels authentic enough, which is the one thing I really miss in SimRail. But if it has no planned multiplayer (and it seems like it doesn't) I have no interest in it. But it's still good to see, the more the merrier, I'd say 😎
It feels exactly the same as TSW. Dull. As someone that’s worked on the real railway the closest to a sim and feeling like you’re part of a living, breathing railway. SimRail. It’s superb.
There is another one as well called transport world simulator, which when you’re blind, like I am and you’re someone like I am who used to have more vision to play mainstream games is quite nice.
23:20 you mention the engine type betweent the games. Have you done an detailed difference between the engines in each of the sims?
I must admit this looks good, but for me the best train game is still Run 8 in terms of physics, freedom, track milage, and things to do.
Games like TSW and this one are just too restrictive and hand holding.
Run 8 has been doing a lot of work and updating lately.
In Run 8 you have to do job X, Y, and Z, and just figure it out and do the way you want to instead of: Go here, reverse here, go here, uncouple here, etc, etc, and make you drive a mile before it lets you switch a switch and reverse for something that could've been done in 5% of the time.
Anyway, nice to see you posting vids again. :D
@@SteveGad Anytime. :)
Just keep in mind, it has a rather steep learning curve, and their buying/shop system is a bit cumbersome.
I suggest watching RUclips videos and tutorials to make yourself familiar with it.
Also, while single player is nice, it requires a lot of work to set up a full functioning and populated railroad, as is a sandbox game.
I recommend getting to grips with train handling in singleplayer, and then find a community to drive in, like Depot+ or Mateo's community.
That was exactly my route in the 1990's. The railwaystations I remember (Düren, Aachen) look exactly that way, even the enroute scenery looks matching to the real world. Approaching Aachen I remembere lots of the the shown scenery. Amazing!
ER is equalizing reservoir, at least on US trains
It depends what level of realism you want, if you want a 1:1 driver realism, then real world is you need to be trained on a loco/train and you need to be trained on a route, no UK driver is allowed free reign on the Network unless they have knowledge of those rails; this is why often if there's a train ahead broken down, trains behind often get terminated at a station rather than rerouted because drivers probably don't have route knowledge of an obvious diversion.
I agree the all servicing/upgrading is a bit strange, I like the idea that periodically you have to take the loco/train to a specified maintenance depot, that's realistic, but the purchasing parts, no no, that's be the operator's responsibility.
Competition is good though, let's hope they make a good fist of it.
About those diversions: In Germany a Traindriver is tought the route he is supposed to drive and typical diversions for example: From Dortmund to Cologne you are supposed to be able driving via 1.Witten/Hagen/Solingen 2. Essen/Bochum/Düsseldorf 3. Castrop-Rauxel/Gelsenkirchen 4.Essen/Oberhausen/Duisburg and the adjecent tracks (S-Bahn/Cargo...). At least it is like that at DB Fernverkehr. Anyway I am looking forward to it.
@@patrickgawliczek and then you usualy have the last resort option of driving a unknown to you main line with up to 100 km/h after reading up in the "Streckenbuch". Also since germany signals speeds and not directions, going on a route without route knowledge usually is managable if not ideal.
@@FabiaLp Yeah, but some lines are forbidden to be driven without Streckenkunde. The Line Minden-Nienburg (a Nebenbahn) is an example for it. And for Special cause You may Drive with eingeschränkter Streckenkunde (with only knowledge of Streckenbuch) example: For towing Trains or one time Drives.
And the 100 kph Limit is Mainline only, on Nebenbahn It is i.d.R. 40kph
@@patrickgawliczek that's why I talked about main lines.. branch lines are a different topic, especially those not owned by DB
STILL WAITING ON THE NEXT JOB SIMULATOR VIDEO
As someone who has been on this line, I am very impressed by the modelling accuracy. Down to the position and type of trash cans used at the stops, its spot on. Position and shape of the buildings around the line also seem very realistic. Really impressive.
All the interface things are taken out from ZDSimulator - a real train sim written by one person. Graphics is much better in this one so it seems like this one is a sequel to ZDSimulator. In ZDSimulator there's a detailed and correct electric schematic where you can actually jump or ground any wire to make your loco move if something fails, also there's a detailed air simulation - have a look please at least at screenshots of ZDSimulator 5!
I think simrail is better but this train game has potential
I think the bottom right shows you the Braking System? with the red/green and then yellow if u engage the brakes and the white on top shows you the Train with your wagons and the Green Number seems to be the Electric Engine that shows the power draw? or something idk im not a Train Driver
The fact that the EbuLa works means’s lot to me, it’s the core reason for me to be able to play without any hud
The wobble when driving also looks very good!
Really looking forward to this game
Your Transport Fever 2 series brought me into the scene. I've spent more than a thousand hours in that game.
Disembarking is the word for getting off a train
Good overview of the game. I think the non-random, rhythmic back and forth swaying of the train would break me though, lol
In TWSW4, I turn it off.
Lots of old Diesels are in private ownerships, with cargo or railwork companies
Wait why is it called NS BR186? The loco got a DB livery and NS never drove with the br186 to gerrmany, they use the vectrons. The NS 186 is used on the line to brussels
That locomotive is a DB locomotive which primarily runs in the Netherlands (as can be seen with the large white patches). Obviously this doesn't make it an NS locomotive, but it would classify as a Dutch locomotive.
Hey, @Squirrel, this looks good!
Just please, tell me, does this game have support for programming controller keys?
As I have a pretty nice simrig with a lot of buttons, I'm looking for a train sim, where I can set the controls wherever I want them.
I want to leave the keyboard on the side ;-) Dovetail does not have that even after years of people begging for it. That's, why I deleted Dovetail.
I so wish, there will be a train sim, that let's me configure controls my way...
Can you check, please?
Looks promising, but the menus doesn't show any custom controller support?
This, along with external screen support, is what sticks me in Zusi3 for now....
Thanks for showing and explaining the game
Someone in the discussions for this demo said that Fishing Planet is free with DLC but you can unlock everything by just playing the game. I haven't played Fishing Planet myself but they said that's how it works in that game.
Is that green number distance to end of trip?
As someone who bought it and though it was very good, I wanted to clarify that thier description of the game is entirely written by AI, excluding the first two paragraphs. Aside from that, near distant scenery is very nice, as is the trains, however the quality of far distance scenery is very low. I know that this is in early release, but I dont want to see what lets down TSW routes happen here again.
new video of your room setup? i’ve watched the video of the old setup, it was quite ago.
Any competition for Dovetail and its TS & TSW series has to be a good thing for the sim gamer, right? 🤔
You simply ignore the existance of SimRail, except for that 1 video you posted like a year ago. It is the most promising in terms of becoming "the ultimate train sim".
Squirrel has streamed SimRail for an entire day since you posted this. It has a lot of potential but promoting DLC when the base-game is not out of Early Access and doesn't contain all the promised features is a bit of a red flag. (like checkpoints/saving/steamtrains) The dev team might just need the money but some more communication/updates would be appreciated I think. Would love to see it succeed, nobody wants another Dovetail.
I can faintly remember when Dovetail said that Train Sim World will be the last train simulator you need, but then they started with the yearly paid minor updates (TSW2, TSW3, TSW4, ...) again. I do like the game, but the performance is just not where it should be and it feels like it is really using its position to sell expensive DLCs. Any competition in the train simulator genre is good, maybe one day we will have a simulator with good performance, community mods, and a good simulation again.
you should upload more. i miss you on the youtubes!
If i play the map is stuck so can not play help???
Great review except the lack of using the dynamic Brake and being unaware of the fact that every Signal is within 1000m Braking distance (no Harsh braking needed)
intresting find there, i will definetly hold an eye open for that.
Derail Valley - the best train sim!
Hey Squirrel whats your fav train/bus sim right now? I'm looking at buying one but cant seem to choose...
Nice blinking gauge frames at the bottom left 🙈
The credit system is already extremely scary. That's a really bad sign no matter how good the rest is. I don't mind having to pay for routes in TSW. I do mind being left out of engine upgrades, especially when they are features that were promised to be included in the first one.
Squirrel doing promo? yes...
I think a good train sim would be amazing in VR, does this title plan on making it VR capable, I know Dovetail Games has no interest in making any of their train sims VR capable, that would require some work, something they aren't very good at (Lazy SOBs). So far, the only Train Sim I know of for VR is "Derail Valley" and "Rolling Line" (A model railroad sim).
So a good VR capable Train Sim is long overdue.
Any steam locomotives in this or plans to add some
This looks really good. I wish them all the best with it!
I hope this rivals Dovetail's products cuz I'm pretty tired of them just re-packaging the same thing over and over, not to mention the expensive DLC.
I really miss multiplayer in this game
Hopefully at the very least it puts the wind up dovetail.
we need a new Ship sim!
I'll stick do Diesel Railcar simulator, have a full timetable to pick from, a stable sim, without DLC madness and with steam workshop support.
I don't need high fidelity graphics, but a sim that works properly and doesnt crash and stutter.
With Dovetail Games pushing 'optional subscriptions' it might be time to move on from them.
Will we be able to use it in VR
i just wonder if ill be able to run it
The ER gauge in the bottom right is the equalizing reservoir. I assume the four gauges show the brake parameters for the locomotive and tha graph beneath it for the whole train in the same colours according to the gauges. The green number at the top of the graph is the traction of the locomotive in %.
Trainbrake:2
Locomotive brake:1
Should they be at zero? I just think that train is a little bit slow 😊 I know it’s a old train 🚂
As a train mechanic, this game looks amazing! I might actually get this haha.
Langerw💨💨😂 4:40
Hopefully we can get some steam locomotives for the game
If this game would have mods support, it would be best train game
Looking good, just bought a laptop with an entry level RTX card I hope it'll be enough!
What or how can I do train simulation ? I have no knowledge about this and also that it is not a Dutch language, many years ago I used to cover train truck and plane simulations with DVDs in my laptop I still have those DVDs ! Now I would really like to do simulations again 😍, can someone tell me what I should do now because of the purchase of these simulations and how and with what I can drive a train there in those simulations. 🤔06/05/2024 - 21:40
We have vr in flight sims, why not in train sims ?
Having lived in that area, the scenery needs a finish to replicate the actual look. Currently the scenery has roads that in reality are not and were not there and other details. It looks promising, but there is a significant chance the developers/publisher can mess this up with delivering an "unfinished" product. I need to check if there ever was a BR218 with an Intercity service on that route...
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What we ACTUALLY need is a good VR one. Don't understand why this isn't a no brainer.
Im waiting for train universe.
Nice Grafik.
The speed limits of this game are completely unrealistic the signal at 16:57 shows KS1 with a ZS3 with an 8 on top that means there is a 80 speed limit from this signal to the next signal. But the game shows the speed limit only from the first switch onwards which is completely wrong. Also you have to obey the 80 speedlimit from the exit signal at 20:50 until your LAST coach has passed the last switch of the station which is the switch at 21:48 coming from the left. The game already shows 120 km/h at 21:50 which is wrong.
For me as someone who only has played train simulator classic this looks and feels like TSW. TS Classic is still the way if you want mods, for example my Dutch routes and trains.
I see BR 218, I like.
Not sure how German systems work but, on a US, train the ER "equalizing reservoir" should represent the brake pipe target basically, when you move the automatic brake the whole train brake you are adjusting the ER, and the locomotive will do what's needed to adjust the brake pipe to match the ER either reduce or charge the brake pipe. Charge to release reduce to set brakes. So far, the only game I've seen nail US airbrake simulation is Run 8
Gentlemen, ASSEMBLE.
You arrived late, this is typical german! Does this mean, that you get more XP :)
When it comes for ps5 than i buy it for sure
maybe bottom left is how comfortable a ride your passangers are having it seems to show forces when you accelerate the number above sky rockets and then you have brakeing force in yellow
Good excellent video congratulations 🎉🎉🇵🇹👍🌞
So after you do a route once, perhaps twice, then what? Can you switch tracks to visit other places? Can you change any of the existing scenery? Change destinations? Or change anything at all?
Nice review but aside from the repeated "its a free demo" why should anyone get onboard? Are they doing anything better or are they just another sim that does what the others do?
I think everything looks worse than our usual sims
U left playing ets 2 ?
Wie heißt denn dieser Simulator? Finde den nicht, jedenfalls nicht mit dem Inhalt wie im Video.
Calling every new train sim a competitor to Dovetail isn't really fair, since they've all been pretty much superior in design and function (apart from Train Life which isn't a simulator), but fail to get the support from the devs and customers that they need to succeed. Only reason Dovetail has gotten so big is because they were first and for the longest time the only ones to make a train simulator. But after 20+ years, literally all they've done is rehash MS Train Sim 2 over and over and over without making any noticeable improvements. Their DLC model wouldn't be so bad if the pricing remotely resembled the typically very poor quality of the product.
It is very fair DT Lies and they are crooks
Reminds me of watching paint dry.
We might not be that far off from something like MSFS did. Essentially a trainsim platform, where a combination of satellite imagery, a huge database of 3d objects & textures relevant for specific countries/areas, and some kind of 3d-building AI combined with hand-made assets for the more unusual buildings, might generate realistic-enough looking routes - with rail grids downloaded from openrailway map. At least from the technical standpoint.
The biggest hurdle would be that unless Microsoft or Google did it, getting all the hi-res satellite data might get prohibitively expensive.
And, of course, wanting to drive simulated trains is most likely much smaller niche than wanting to fly simulated airplanes.
The graphics in this one looks nice i guess, but i always feel rush of adrenaline when i hear that something is "free" immediately followed by "but it has paid DLCs". Well - then it's not free at all, is it. It's like giving you flight simulator free, but you only get one plane, it's a glider, and only available scenery is 2x2km area around landfill near Calcutta.
Seeing the fckload of various virtual currencies gives me War Thunder/World of Warplanes PTSD, and makes me want to avoid this like the plague.
That's how it works: it's like a buffet. You get in free and get a sample taste then you can simply buy whatever you personally want
I find this game looking amazing but if it’s only German it’s a bit of a issue
“Free to play” loosely cause I’d bet those train credits can be bought in the shop. So you it cost 8000 credits to do a scenario and you get reward 3000 credits when done. So a negative return lol.
So you got to do the scenario multiple times i guess 🫣
Hi, When you were going through the spare parts/upgrade menu .. it did have highlighted "OWNED" .. What this means other than you can buy your own engines , I don't know. Thanks for the review and video.
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Nice that they are working on one. There are people in Germany owning trains as self-employed and take contracts, owing a loco is not unrealistic in Germany. I was hoping someone would make a game out of this life, there are multiple documentaries about one guy living with his loco, self-maintaining it and doing leftover contracts.
Though, they need the dev backup to create routes and have a connected railsystem. If they just copy Dovetail experience packs this will fail.
The UI looks like a mobile game :/. I have a feeling it will be aimed at abusing rail fans with P2W.
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Dovetail need a good kick in the rear end, because I have stopped bothering pretty much now. I like what I'm seeing in this demo.
Oh no, German trains?! If simulated correctly, they’ll be either on strike, broken, cancelled or delayed. Danke, Deutsche Bahn.
If they make it suport VR they will hit the jackpot with it
I hope for finally a train sim that natively supports throttles
The Densha de Go home cabinet dream is still alive