Do NOT Turn Your Foot for Lead Hooks or Round Kicks
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2021
- I was inspired to make this video after watching Marvin Cook's recent lead hook video here: • The Left Hook + Comm...
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Hey Mike, have you ever watched Sylvie von Duuglas Ittu's videos on the golden kick?
She shows how some older Thai fighters of the golden age did a kick which sort of went upwards and turned at the last second without excessive hip rotation
4:27 I'm an ex-bellydancer who moved on to Muay Thai/Krav Maga. I feel seen, LOL
@@nemo-tb8jm Sylvie is de troof. She's one of the VERY FEW I consider worth Patreon sponsorship. For a real treat, go back and watch her old old videos when she was with Master K. I remember thinking how cute it was that little girl kicking the bag looking all awkward as a beginner and now she's closing in on 300 pro fights lol. Hands down best Muay Thai channel on YT.
Can you do a review of the UFC games? Both in terms of realism, popcultural importance and plain fun?
I guess that could be interesting to a lot of viewers and increase your reach and subscriber number.
I relate so much to this as a trainer. “Technique is so over rated. Now let’s fix your technique”
Good one bro. I agree
I’m no trainer but I’ve been boxing long enough that I know that the technique builds up the muscle memory that eventually loosens up in an actual fight. Which is why the greatest pro fighters are so damn smooth. They really do flow like water.
It's weird that we stress proper technique and spend lots of time refining it just to throw it out the window in high stress moments.
@@tylerortega7572 if you lose it in a high stress moment then you haven't trained it enough
instructions not clear. i keep hitting my self in the back of the head
You got it.
Have you tried reinstalling Martial_Arts.exe yet?
I think you need Adobe Installed.
That’s one helluva hook you got there
this one tickled me lmfao
Icy Mike: "Do it, unless you shouldn't, unless you should, except sometimes."
Me: "... Ok but is that gonna be on the test?"
Yes; remember your number 3 pencil.
yes, but no, except when it is.
If you're ever in a fight and your opponent looks like he might read your foot turn and counter or bum rush you during recovery, then yessir.
That's good shit right there, for reals. You should put it on a shirt.
In my experience, people who say stuff like that are more trustworthy. This is someone who not only knows how to do something, and that there are exceptions to that thing, but also someone who knows that it's always worth continuing to learn, and almost never will there be a true perfect "always do this" type answer
I'm a retired belly dancer here that took up Muay Thai, so the belly dancer comment made my night. The hip isolation and control, and footwork I learned dancing (solid proprioception) has been very helpful.
I know a guy who was a pro-fighter who also did ballet as a side training. Dude threw the most graceful kicks I have ever seen.
@@gregortheoverlander4122 The best way to experience that art is to knocked out. (:
@@gregortheoverlander4122 it probably looked like savate
WORD OF THE DAY IS:
Proprioception! Perception of the movement and position of the body.
In a sentence: “I wish knowing what this word means would help my proprioception, so I can stop getting guillotined by my coach.”
we demand video evidence
I feel like it's easier on the knee to turn the foot, especially when kicking. When I kick without turning it I tend to put the leg that's on the ground it in such position that it sometimes hurts later. Power is one thing - especially that I am 60 kg and I can't afford to lose that much of it - but it just feels better to me. Your mileage may vary, obviously, it probably depends on anatomy a lot.
It's true, turning the foot put less strain on the joints if you don't have a lot of hips mobility
I completely agree but turning it 90 degrees solves that problem for me
Knee injuries are a real problem that can be solved multiple ways.
- You can anticipate the move by putting your feet at 90°
- You can turn your foot midmove, it is slow though, really only for training
- You can do an imperceptible jump during the kick so that your foot slides in the right position by itself (at the loss of some power)
- You can control with the hip as shown in the video and not let the momentum go down to the knee
So much this.
When I first started sparring I was less worried about technique and more worried about making contact and it was tearing the inside of my knee apart.
“People don’t understand how to articulate at the hips” Lord did I wish I knew this before I started helping some of my friends with some basic kick boxing.
3:25 someone please gif that shit
ahahaha, i had to go back to see what you were talking about - that's probably me too. lol
dude thats how the puppets in Team America World Police dances😂🤣
Glad you mentioned Marvin, he’s a great coach
“HardEnough” is my new channel. No ped’s
Lol
hardEnuff
@@fbiagent2848 so, you’re my marketing team, now.
Hard(Enough)2Hurt
Here before this goes viral
Too late.
@@hard2hurt dang, the algorithm is crazy these days
Same
@@SenseiSeth Gotta have them sails up when the wind blows!
same.
"technique is overrated, tactics and strategies are more important" YES!! finally someone said it
To an some degree yes I agree
Yes just like he said when he examined gervonte Davis, Davis doesn’t follow perfect form if you notice he doesn’t even keep his opposite hand up to guard when throwing punches and that’s boxing 101 don’t over think technique cause most boxers form goes out the window when they get punched in the face your boxing should be natural feeling and not forced.
Technique is based on tactics and strategies, these things do not contradict each other.
Well you need both, all your strategies will be useless if your technique is terrible and you can't throw strikes properly. That's why you usually start by learning technique then you find the smarter way to implement them in your fight tactics.
I'm happy that "leg muscles" gang gets represented.❤
Lewg.. Muwsel
Leg muscles best muscles
leg mowssels
Lwwwg mssl
what is this leheg mohssles thing a reference to?
Mannnnnn your titles give me anxiety till I watch your video and end up agreeing lol.
This, 100%, haha. Always watch this man's videos IN FULL before you jump to disagreeing with him, or making counter-points!
Omg this!
Same
Stop insisting that we consider context! On youtube every answer is a universal yes or no!
THATS HOW WE KNOW IF WE ARE WINNING.
I literally just structured a karate class based on the similarities of hooks and round kicks
Marvin Cook!
I'm also glad to hear the concept of 'hard enough' with hitting!
'Foot turning as the by product of the hip rotation', you won me over with that comment
I like what you're trying to teach, I just feel that technique is important because a lot of people in a fight throw it away out of fear or adrenaline and they need to practice techniques so when the time comes they will at least have some technique when they fight.
Among other things, turning the foot protects your knee, especially if the strike doesnt connect.
EDIT: well I guess I'm not the only know it all in the comments as I see several other people have made this point already lol. Good for you, peeps.
Super, Mike! Simple, clear explanations and no bullshit! We have to keep in mind the age and flexibility of each of our students and modify their hook or round kick accordingly. The concept of "hard enough" is crucial as well, especially on the street. Keep 'em coming!
This channel hasn't come up on my feed lately. Glad I caught this one. One of the best explanations of body mechanics I've heard in a while.
Mike, your vids are the best. Well structured, thorough explanations, clear demos, entertaining and no bullshit. Thanks for helping to make me less easy to hurt
I absolutely love your channel - You have a way of getting your point across to your audience with Truth, reality all mixed with humor. Down to earth no B.S instructor and that's refreshing to watch. Thank you Burt Vickers Houston Texas.
I like your Marvin Cook quote. You two are very skilled and also very good at getting the message across to us
Ahh I see we have a man of class here. He too watches Marvin Cook 👌🏾
Love this.... the step out (cheated slightly) works wonders. This reinforces something I was taught and always keep in mind with helping people who kick with a locked knee and end up hurting themselves... thank you so much
Ayy shoutout to Marvin “True Boxer Stance” Cook
He’s great. I really dig his advice and fighting philosophy.
Not untill you get shit kicked out of your lead leg because you can't defend against low kicks
@@MrScar665 Has he given any advice on how to deal with kicks yet?
@@redrobins731 No. But if you use bladed stance you are very very vulnerable to leg kicks. Basic logic
@@MrScar665 Everyone always says this but like a lot of MMA guys always have bladed stances. Even conor mcgregor's main stance is bladed, there's nothing inherently wrong with the stance/style so long as you adapt it to what you'll face. Plus there are plenty of videos on how to handle leg kicks, there's even one on this channel; but people act like doing a leg kick to someone in a bladed stance or at all is the end all be all.
You know when you’ve been working on a technique for ages and there’s just one missing piece you can’t get and you know it’s there but you don’t know what it is, and you know it’s something simple you’ve missed somewhere, but then you find it and now everything clicks and feels easy and you’ve just taken a massive step forward in your fighting? This video was my first one in 2021. Huge thanks mate to you!
Imagine icy with Shane fazen in a video together
Been waiting for the day that happens.
I’m hyped to see that collab as well
A lovely dad & son collab would transpire
Word
EW!!
Wow 🤩, great explanation! So I don’t have to start the lead left hook from my foot turning or legs. I like how you quote Marvin Cook that
,”the foot turning is the by product of you throwing the hook correctly.” Thanks!
Easily the most relatable and enjoyable videos for this stuff. I love it.
After dozens if videos this video finally made it click for me. Left hook and kicks feel so much stronger now
Dude I had to rewatch that dance a million times hahahah
I think turning my foot helped me learn the hook. Once I felt confident with it I started to not turn my foot. I think the process of learning how to not turn my foot after I used to be turning my foot improved the hook in itself if that makes sense.
Same here. I think technique is important to understand the concept of rotating and swinging at the same time. Once you got that down, you can play around a little.
I haven't trained in a month and almost forgot about this channel. Miss the night show. Happy New Year.
Love how you mention hard enough. It's hard enough to create a reaction which can create an opening for full power and hard enough to frustrate your opponent. All which capitalize on the speed. Great tips man!
Been following since your flashlight video! It works!! ty for all of these!
I love that every single rule of fighting is set in stone when you learn it but later once you’ve developed a skill set all those pretty much go out the window.
That oh shiet moment when he drops the name Marvin Cook👌👌👌
Hi Icy . Still learning here, even though I'm 36 and a newbie in Sanda. Great material as always. Hugs from Buenos Aires. 💪💪🇦🇷👍
I try my best to keep things simple. When you figure out how to use your hips, your foot placement/movement is a question of grounding and mobility. Then just trying to do things in a way that gets the most out of your own energy while dealing damage and keeping things as tight as possible. Fighting is messy, violent and chaotic. It's great putting structure to it but don't let that make you rigid. There is a lot of room for creative thought and problem solving in this game.
I'm glad you posted this video, I've been watching a lot of Ernesto Hoost lately and it's great seeing how he moves his hips and feet.
The guy actually knows how to TEACH. I see alot of coaches trying to fix mistakes and they have the knowledge but they can't teach for shit and I'm not even a coach and I find myself helping others learn better cuz similar the this video I give the person something to relate to not just tell him what everyone else does
Ok...you've won my subscription with this lol. Informative as well as funny. Good stuff, man lol
Thanks for the video!!! I found it to be a deep example of communicating the 'common knowledge' technique supplemented with what may work in different situations & individuals. Bravo, brother!!!
I definitely learned something new because I’ve been told that your have to turn your foot when throwing the hook, or the round kick. I learned how to throw the tornado kick from your channel.
That was nice and simple and I liked it and get it. There are a large amount of people just starting to train things like these makes it easy to understand. Our adult class has people who have never thrown a punch or been in a fight. Thank you
Dude, the fact that u covered this is just....... THANK YOU! For some reason...when practising my round kicks my supporting foot never seemed to rotate, even though for a "proper technique" you should. But I was still able to nail a proper round kick regardless. At some point, I wondered whether there was something wrong with my lead leg when I throwing the rear round kick lol.
Favorite answer from childhood karate and kickboxing coach was "yes and no" lol
It’s always interesting seeing the line of power shooting up your foot to the hip to the end of the hand
What!? Shout out to Marvin Cook! Marvin’s channel has some great material. Always a must watch! Along with icy Mike 🙂
Thanks Mr. R🙏🙏🙏
@@TrueBoxerStance no problem at all, sir. It's been a few weeks since your last video, looking forward to the next. A collaboration with icy Mike would be awesome. 🙂 Thank you for all your hard work and dedication. Be safe, coach.
@@ALL_CAPS__ of course. We’re gearing up to do some shooting here in a couple weeks. We’ll be on track again soon. We’ll also be looking at making a comprehensive course this year, hopefully. Stay tuned for that 🙏
Amazing.. I get so much from each video I watch from you, thanks man. Solid teacher
3:24 Mike hit the dance floor like a toddler lol
Really good explanation , straight up used this to prove someone wrong bc it’s all situational an where you’re stepping off
I'm so glad someone said it. I could not agree more. Yes do it when learning. To get used to twisting the hips. But when layering down combos I feel this puts me off balance and makes me so much slower.
From what I can boil down to. The basic of what your saying is Find which method works best for the individual. Example, I've always been taught to follow through when it comes to my side kicks. But I've noticed that when I do I tend to loose my balance easier.
Thanks Icy Mike for breaking all complex and variants down to a good bases people can work with.
Cool vid. Adding in that pop was really helpful
Love the channel, I totally get what your trying to show is the difference between doing a kick and teaching a kick. Also where is the hammer self-defense video, because I like your insight on things.
Your vids have helped me fine tune my game. Thanks
Very eye opening to me as an instructor. Thank you.
Right on the money! I do both sometimes. Whatever feels natural at the time! Especially when sparring.
Love this teacher- he knows what he’s talking about.. Great !!!
Took my first boxing class yesterday and watched my coach turn his lead foot on a hook. I had never saw it before, but immediately realized it would be useful in boxing because it grants more power through hip and turning as well as setting up the back leg step back after the combo. In kickboxing my coach has taught combos that involve stepping in at an angle to finish off combos with a kick. Two different fighting styles resulting in different footwork and techniques. Depending on what strikes you're going to throw you can switch up the footwork
i love this video. "Strategy + Hard enough" > "No experience + Just Perfect Technique"
the quick dutch kick! definitely works with high volume and a tight guard
“Youre talking about technique, what i do is philosophy”
Archie Moore when asked how to hook off the jab
Man I love that he quotes Marvin Cooke.
Yo, Icy's got the moves there, man! Good explanation actually addresses something I've been thinking about the jab and that kick reminded me exactly the muay thai kick I've seen in some competitors, definitely a good principle to apply. Specially that if you don't rotate the foot completely outward from the beginning it makes harder to tell how the kick is coming.
Loved the Marvin Cook reference
dude, just found out your channel. your way of talking/teaching is very funny, it looks like you're talking to me in a bar, not in a class. i always lol when you're making fun of something people say that is not correct or fully correct.
The mimic voice killed me. Good video 🤣🤣
Thank you for another great video! At the very least I believe maximizing your torque for a roundhouse starts from the foot and moves up and through your body, it’s both how you get a 100% power shot but also how you get those whip like thai kicks with blinding speed. Right now I’m trying to learn to kick like your talking about, since I’m learning more set ups using kicks rather than set ups to land kicks it’s starting to become apparent I need a lighter repeatable kick.
Marvin Cooks hook video was great. Great reference
Damn. I must be crazy too. That last bit actually made sense
U Fr made me get to a point where I can just walk around and know I’m ready for wtv
Muay Thai champion Liam Harrison has be saying and teaching the non-foot turn for a while. Great points Icy Mike.
Really?
Any videos of that?
Liam is an aggressive fighter, and not very technical, but still that’s sounds weird to me.
Maybe for low-kick, a big part of his game, but for body kick not turning your foot is blasphemy in muay thai.
This comes down to the importance of sparing at least sometimes, to know where you can cut corners and be effective. like our boy Mark Hunt
The split second of him belly dancing on one foot. Gold
Good example is Jorge Masvidal vs Ross Pearson. Standing 3 piece knockdown with only hands and hips. Drilling to fight this way is extra important. Great point Mike 👍
I totally agree pretty much. The only factor that I think you should talk about is that there are also defensive reasons for certain postures. Example: Turning your lead leg potentially opens you up for a takedown. Also certain ways make it easier/harder to throw other follow up techniques.
Great video mate.
this is soooo perfect eveyone who wants to learn this stuff this is your guy no bs straight forward simple
peeeeeerrrrfect
You're good and you're funny, best educator ever. Respect :)
You can also throw your lead hook like a jab, so instead of pivoting off the lead foot to engage the hips you take a short step forward to engage the hips and pivot more from the shoulder
FUCKEN THANK YOU!! I’ve gotten into so many arguments with MM, Thai, karate and tae kwon do peeps about all this shit and how there’s more than one way to approach a technique and every single one of fight me tooth and nail subject. I’m super happy to hear others have a similar train of thought
Great video and great teaching ability!
So true about most of us amateurs worrying about perfect technique when our real main goal is get the better of the other guy during some light friendly sparring. That kick will really give you an advantage since its so much faster than than the more traditional MT way. I still do the full turns on the pads for fun but mix it up on the heavy and of course sparring never turn since it will slow me down and make it more difficult to control the power.
Before covid on my school campus i started karate, then out of curiosity and braking the norm i joinedmy belky dance club. Im 6'5 270lb. Didn't do much belly rolling but a lot of hip mobility and isolation. It helped the class was aftwr karate and loosened and strengthened my hips.
I find the step and plant the foot at the 45 degree angle for low kicks works really well, it seems like a common Dutch style. But id pivot on the ball of the foot for kicking anything higher.
I'm glad you made a video about this
Agree... some get the left hook right because they coordinated but most don't. Thus you need to give pointers like turning their foot towards the hook
yes i agree... i would say "timing" is probably the most important thing. i have seen people get knocked out by falling into a fully extended punch that was left out. dancers make awesome martial artists, they already have timing, balance, aware of their hand / foot location.
I like how Lamon Brewster throws his left hook. He aims his shoulder from his back foot to his opponents back foot. It's quick,effective and works great in close quarters. Watch his fight with Klitchsko.
I freaking love it, you clearly have had more than your fill of keyboard warriors telling you how it should be done. Thanks for the pointers on the kick, I would be one of those "has to be done this way" kinda people.
That's a great explanation of the hip in the roundhouse 👍 - for the front hook we usually encourage students to lift their heel slightly to relieve any tension on the front knee (but every body type is different) ... we teach the hip movement first 😁
Maybe technique is more about having a smooth, undetected, energy efficient attack? Like you said "hard enough" does knock people out for sure, but maybe it doesn't transition well with combos and such? I dunno just letting my thoughts wander on this one :)
I appreciate this video definitely learned something new today
Finally! A video of yours i agree with :) It is important to teach/follow "best practice" initially, until the student gets the principle involved. After that, technique is modified to achieve optimal performance as suits the students ability and preference. But this is the same for ALL physical skills eg; dancing, tennis, swimming, basketball... not just MMA.
I am going to need another dance move example...lol. Great vid!
I like your funny dance move. I didn't expect that in this instruction.