You’re overstating the Sony lowlight advantage. I have both cameras…The Sony advantage at 12,800 is real but people usually fail to mention that it has nasty performance between 3200 and that 12,800. The Panasonic at 6000 beats it.
A few days ago, I used my Panasonic S5 with the Sigma 28-70mm 2.8 and the Panasonic 85mm 1.8 at an event which ended up being a low light event. I used autofocus and I did not experience any problems. I should also mention that I have eperience using the Panasonic focusing settings!
Do you recall which autofocus settings you dialed in for s5? I find the settings I use (max on both) don’t work great and can’t seem to find a balance that works like your experience . Thanksb
@@RuhkcusTV I used the normal settings. You might want to check out the autofocus settings video from Josh Cameron. Also, I shot my video at F2.8 which helped a lot.
Like you mentioned, depends on how you like your images to look and how you get there. For myself, micro jitters is my absolute enemy. Every time I see micro jitters in footage I’m just like “eh”. It’s the reason why I stayed away from any other camera besides Panasonic. But someone could say the same about AF.
So funny I’m in the entirely opposite camp. I left Sony for something more inspiring. The picture and ibis are way more important to me than autofocus. Plus the AF would still fail for me with my Sony anyways so I was never THAT impressed with it. My main issue with using autofocus is the lack of hands on control of where and how you want your focus. And add to that I think, ultimately I want to build a cinema glass kit. Which will consist of all manual glass anyway so… and my two biggest gripes with Sony were horrendous ibis (I tried using the gyro and wasn’t impressed and it wasn’t consistently reliable or good enough for me) and the image itself was always uninspiring, for lack of a better way to put it. It always lacked soul to me for some reason. That I always felt the need to heavily try to add in post lol! And it would seem that the s5 have those exact two things that my Sony lacked, which were absolute deal breakers for me. I always thought to myself, if only they had a gh5 type of camera, but full frame. And low and behold they actually made one. That’s even smalller than the gh5! Who cares about auto focus lol!! I did hear someone say that they were using their Sony for RUclips content, and their s5 for their professional gigs. That’s a good way to differentiate them, for me I guess
It's funny being a panasonic fanboy, and seeing these videos sadly happen over and over lol. I remember being into M43 and seeing countless of my favs slowly leave it. Then I went full frame with the S5 and S1. And now everyone is leaving to Sony. I wish Panasonic was more aggressive with listening to consumers. I use BRAW for HDR specifically in Resolve w/ panasonic, so I'm sticking with it, but I genuinely am sad to see the company seemingly die in the market.
I wish Panasonic would listen to their consumers too. I'm hopeful that they'll introduce phase detect autofocus to their future cameras because if they do, they'll be a serious force to be reckoned with. I think there's still hope for Panasonic, I just can't wait around for them, I've got things to film!
@@Jonasdelrey That's you, and that ultimately is me too. I love Panasonic and wont leave. But it is dying compared to Sony. I have literally seen 4+ friends go from hearing my recommnedation of Panasonic, to then getting a Sony instead due to RUclips reviews all talking about AF. And lets face it, for the company to succeed, it needs the vlogger crowd, and almost all a vlogger needs is AF lol.
@@Jonasdelrey Its huge. Not just vloggers, but Instagram users too. I have many friends who are into fitness, and they all go with sony because of the AF. Without RUclips and Instagram, I bet the market for cameras in general is quite small.
i have the S5 and the S1 and struggled with the AF.. however, now that i have the Lumix prime lens suite.. i have no focus issues any longer. these little primes do the job. I shoot weddings and sports with these cameras both stills and video. Sony AF just works, but lumix, you need to know how to setup the camera for the job. if you get to know what the lumix likes setting wise, it gets it done with the right glass.
Totally understand. Love my S1, easily one of the best cameras I ever owned. But the more I shoot the more I realize autofocus is a tool needed for the work we do. May still keep it for certain jobs but the A7IV which I bought recently will probably be the main camera for most of the projects we do.
Yep - fair enough. I have an S5 - and if I was doing weddings etc, I'd be looking at Sony too. All my work is 'repeatable staged corporate' stuff - and I enjoy doing manual focus pulls.
Thanks Spencer! I have the Lumix S1, and I absolutely adore the image, V-Log is a joy to work with and the dynamic range and low light is insane, coming from GH5. I do miss the reliability of autofocus, but for 2000 USD, I got the camera + 24-105 lens, which is crazy good for me. Luckily rental prices for a7S III are pretty low, so in places where I need that level of autofocus, I guess I can just rent and use an a7S III. Thanks for your insight though, much appreciated :)
I’m in the same boat. I was thinking of getting the S5 because I love the picture, color, IBIS - it’s gorgeous. But I can’t purchase something with an autofocus that I can’t rely on. So sad. I’m also waiting for Panasonic to get their act together in regards to autofocus.
Might not a good for "weddings", but... With current *~$1300* Panasonic S5 mk1, lens included, you can't beat it up. Full frame, dual ISO, vlog, if you don't need auto focus or minor improvements - S5 mk1 has great value for the price. On Black Friday soon it will be even cheaper I assume.
With the open gate feature of the s5, it is very easy to produce for 16x9 and 4x5 in one take. That's something that I don't want to miss these days. May not be important for weddings though.
I do not know if S5 is not enough for this type of work. I mean, I have my Fuji XT3 (I bought it for photography but now I am doing a lot of videos, so I am planning to buy a need equipment withe better video capabilities. With my Fuji I used AF a lot and I works ok, not awesome but not to bad, sometimes I have had the issue that AF start to hunt a lot, I dislike that. Since some months ago I have been trying Manual focus in my XT3 and I still use a Nikon D5100 and honestly I have taken the more clean crisp images in Manual focus, the image quality is better than using AF in my Fuji and D5100. I am convinced that Manual focus in S5 could be better option than AF in Sony because S5 have a lot of and better tools to exposure, to know how the image will be, beautiful image quality and cheaper than any Sony. If you check your videos in this channel, I prefer the videos you made with the S5 than this with A7sIII, the image quality with S5 is better for my taste. Anyway, I am not sure what I am going to buy, if s5 with Ninja V to easier Manual focus or A7IV and fight with color grading.
All these types of video is basically... I was too stupid so I bought said camera I got even dumber and can't use it properly I got insanely dumb and am thinking about selling it I'm a fcking moron and will repeat this thought process over and over... I'm a huge fcktard so camera I'm selling said camera...
In my book the S5 is better in low light because the a7s iii messes up the colours and white balance. Also the Sony colours are still not there. You can almost always tell because skin tones are still yellowish green . I sold the Sony for the S5 (and now S1). And the obnoxious stabilisation of the Sony.
I'm debating between these cameras right now... but I'm still leaning towards the s5. A7sIII and FX3 still look to have too much in-camera sharpening which looks horrid and digital. As great as the FX3 picture is... I can't get over the disgusting sharpening. If this CAN be turned off fully in-camera, please let me know!
@@burnerr yea, promists are great... but I really think it's the what the in-camera sharpening does to micro-contrast... it looks digital and the effect is still there, even with the filter (although the image does look a bit better). But after more research it looks like the FX3 can virtually turn off all sharpening and it looks very nice and organic. So I'm leaning towards the FX3 again.
@@Frontigenics ahh thats useful to know. I go back and forth between getting the gh6, fx3, a7iv, s5, and the new XH2S. Renting a RED or Arri is pretty dead cheap in LA though so it makes no sense to be an owner operator with an FX6 or even an FX3. Leaning more towards the XH2S due to the built in 10bit film emulations. Color grading is fun but sometimes its more efficient to give someone color ready footage on the spot.
I just wanna mention some points: If you think that gyro is better IS (which in my opinion is very unpopular opinion since micro jitters don't disappear) that's a huge argument for the pocket 4k/6k at the price. If you think that high ISO is nice, you can max out the Panasonic S1 and S1H dual ISO to start at a higher point. The dynamic range of the Panasonic line up compared to the A7sIII is not large. For those reasons I just bought the S1 over the FX30/A7IV and spent the rest on lighting and an easyrig :))
Just bought the s5 after using the a7s3. A lot to do with budget. Always have access to the a7s3 as a good friend owns it. I will say if you have the cash and need 4k 120 or 4k 60 that have identical image quality to the 24fps the a7s is the obvious choice. However, the image quality on the s5 actually looks better even if you are shooting at 600 Mbps on the a7s3. The way the s5 encoded or renders the image looks less processed and over sharpened even if you turn the sharpness all the way down on the sony. I actually prefer the photos out of the a7s surprisingly but for video the s5 looks better to me. Probably subjective. I also had a lot of experience with HLG with the gh5 and got some very professional looking video out of that in Davinci resolve. All in all very happy with the s5! For the price it's the best hybrid you can buy.. if you want anything above m43.
i use a sony a7iii and a lumix g9 on weddings with sigma 16mm 1.4 and i have no problem with autofocus ,the stabiliization is more than enough and now i sell my g9 to buy for 1500 euros an s5 ,a7siii still very expensive.For me to buy a camera for 3500 -4000 euros must be something between the image quality of black magic the stabilization of panasonic and with the advantages of sony in autofocus etc ,and this camera does not exist yet,2 years before i was using sony a6500 with great autofocus so if anyone needs just good image quality and fast autofocus i recomend to buy 6500 for 1000 euros instead of the way more sony cameras,No one will understand the difference ,in fact i use also and a humble osmo pocket (200 euros)(when the bride is moving) with very sharp image and the results are very descent!
I just purchased an A7IV this week, and will be selling my S5 with lenses as well. My only issue with the S5 really just boils down to Auto Focus. Manually focusing every shot because you can’t rely on your camera to get it right makes me have to repeat many shots, and for event films is just not a very enjoyable experience. It also makes you look less confident in front of clients when you ask then to retake the just you just took. I hate Sony colors with a passion, but I’m going to try my best to figure out how to get a consistent grade as I mainly shooting in the Natural Profile, so it’ll be a real pain to get the colors right. If, and only if Panasonic decides to implement useable PDAF then I will switch back immediately, but I will unfortunately have to leave as my work is mainly run-and-gun, and good AF is a must.
Just shoot in Slog and use a color space transform in davinci resolve across the entire project. By far the best way to avoid those issues. I agree though it still is better with Panasonic colors.
@@colinthomas2525 I ended up getting them, and they look amazing. What I love about them is that you don’t have to ETTR like you would with other LUTs out there. Thanks for the recommendation!
so , i am not a professional and a year ago i got my lumix s5 , i love this camera but i always saw the difficulty of auto focus , mainly because i am not a professional , three months ago i got the sony a7iv and i am impressed with the auto focus, in short, I still love lumix but I'm investing only in Sony lenses.
The focusing can be hard for those just learning how to do videography, especially when it's manual. Happy to hear your experience with the A7IV has been good though. Best of luck to you!
It's the obvious choice. Other than stabilisation and maybe colours, we would all have a Sony A7SIII over the S5 but they're not in the same league in terms of price. I hope the Sony serves you well.
I sold my Sony a7III, I leaving sony, had been using it since 2016, I got bored of Sony, Moving on Panasonic Lumix S5, I did buy the lumix s5 cine kit that B & H has with the atomos ninja V, can't wait to start shooting with it. I was planning to get the a7IV but that overheating make change my mind!
The S5 is a filmmakers camera, the Sony A7S3 is a videographers camera.
You’re overstating the Sony lowlight advantage. I have both cameras…The Sony advantage at 12,800 is real but people usually fail to mention that it has nasty performance between 3200 and that 12,800. The Panasonic at 6000 beats it.
Ya the Panay has better low light until the Sony hits that 12,800.
Dunno about this advantage. The shadows look very muddy and they lack in details at 12800 iso on the Sonys.
A few days ago, I used my Panasonic S5 with the Sigma 28-70mm 2.8 and the Panasonic 85mm 1.8 at an event which ended up being a low light event. I used autofocus and I did not experience any problems. I should also mention that I have eperience using the Panasonic focusing settings!
Do you recall which autofocus settings you dialed in for s5? I find the settings I use (max on both) don’t work great and can’t seem to find a balance that works like your experience . Thanksb
@@RuhkcusTV I used the normal settings. You might want to check out the autofocus settings video from Josh Cameron. Also, I shot my video at F2.8 which helped a lot.
Sigma 28-70mm 2.8, for canon or L mount? did you use sigma mc21?
@@continentmediaLLC Sigma 28-70mm L-mount.
Cheers. The Sigma 28-70 f2.8 is a brilliant lens and like you I don’t seem to have BBC any problems focusing with mine either.
Like you mentioned, depends on how you like your images to look and how you get there. For myself, micro jitters is my absolute enemy. Every time I see micro jitters in footage I’m just like “eh”. It’s the reason why I stayed away from any other camera besides Panasonic. But someone could say the same about AF.
So funny I’m in the entirely opposite camp. I left Sony for something more inspiring. The picture and ibis are way more important to me than autofocus. Plus the AF would still fail for me with my Sony anyways so I was never THAT impressed with it. My main issue with using autofocus is the lack of hands on control of where and how you want your focus. And add to that I think, ultimately I want to build a cinema glass kit. Which will consist of all manual glass anyway so… and my two biggest gripes with Sony were horrendous ibis (I tried using the gyro and wasn’t impressed and it wasn’t consistently reliable or good enough for me) and the image itself was always uninspiring, for lack of a better way to put it. It always lacked soul to me for some reason. That I always felt the need to heavily try to add in post lol! And it would seem that the s5 have those exact two things that my Sony lacked, which were absolute deal breakers for me. I always thought to myself, if only they had a gh5 type of camera, but full frame. And low and behold they actually made one. That’s even smalller than the gh5! Who cares about auto focus lol!! I did hear someone say that they were using their Sony for RUclips content, and their s5 for their professional gigs. That’s a good way to differentiate them, for me I guess
It's funny being a panasonic fanboy, and seeing these videos sadly happen over and over lol. I remember being into M43 and seeing countless of my favs slowly leave it. Then I went full frame with the S5 and S1. And now everyone is leaving to Sony. I wish Panasonic was more aggressive with listening to consumers. I use BRAW for HDR specifically in Resolve w/ panasonic, so I'm sticking with it, but I genuinely am sad to see the company seemingly die in the market.
I wish Panasonic would listen to their consumers too. I'm hopeful that they'll introduce phase detect autofocus to their future cameras because if they do, they'll be a serious force to be reckoned with. I think there's still hope for Panasonic, I just can't wait around for them, I've got things to film!
Panasonic isn’t dying, I can work around Autofocus, can’t work around stabilization.
@@Jonasdelrey That's you, and that ultimately is me too. I love Panasonic and wont leave. But it is dying compared to Sony. I have literally seen 4+ friends go from hearing my recommnedation of Panasonic, to then getting a Sony instead due to RUclips reviews all talking about AF. And lets face it, for the company to succeed, it needs the vlogger crowd, and almost all a vlogger needs is AF lol.
@@jonniecandito181 Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I’d love to know how much of the market is made up of vloggers.
@@Jonasdelrey Its huge. Not just vloggers, but Instagram users too. I have many friends who are into fitness, and they all go with sony because of the AF. Without RUclips and Instagram, I bet the market for cameras in general is quite small.
i have the S5 and the S1 and struggled with the AF.. however, now that i have the Lumix prime lens suite.. i have no focus issues any longer. these little primes do the job. I shoot weddings and sports with these cameras both stills and video. Sony AF just works, but lumix, you need to know how to setup the camera for the job. if you get to know what the lumix likes setting wise, it gets it done with the right glass.
But your doing photography. For photos the AF was always fine
Totally understand. Love my S1, easily one of the best cameras I ever owned. But the more I shoot the more I realize autofocus is a tool needed for the work we do. May still keep it for certain jobs but the A7IV which I bought recently will probably be the main camera for most of the projects we do.
Yep - fair enough. I have an S5 - and if I was doing weddings etc, I'd be looking at Sony too. All my work is 'repeatable staged corporate' stuff - and I enjoy doing manual focus pulls.
Thanks Spencer! I have the Lumix S1, and I absolutely adore the image, V-Log is a joy to work with and the dynamic range and low light is insane, coming from GH5. I do miss the reliability of autofocus, but for 2000 USD, I got the camera + 24-105 lens, which is crazy good for me. Luckily rental prices for a7S III are pretty low, so in places where I need that level of autofocus, I guess I can just rent and use an a7S III. Thanks for your insight though, much appreciated :)
I’m in the same boat. I was thinking of getting the S5 because I love the picture, color, IBIS - it’s gorgeous. But I can’t purchase something with an autofocus that I can’t rely on. So sad. I’m also waiting for Panasonic to get their act together in regards to autofocus.
Might not a good for "weddings", but... With current *~$1300* Panasonic S5 mk1, lens included, you can't beat it up. Full frame, dual ISO, vlog, if you don't need auto focus or minor improvements - S5 mk1 has great value for the price. On Black Friday soon it will be even cheaper I assume.
For weddings a7s3, for filmmaking s5 you cand output in 5.9k proresraw
With the open gate feature of the s5, it is very easy to produce for 16x9 and 4x5 in one take. That's something that I don't want to miss these days. May not be important for weddings though.
I do not know if S5 is not enough for this type of work. I mean, I have my Fuji XT3 (I bought it for photography but now I am doing a lot of videos, so I am planning to buy a need equipment withe better video capabilities. With my Fuji I used AF a lot and I works ok, not awesome but not to bad, sometimes I have had the issue that AF start to hunt a lot, I dislike that. Since some months ago I have been trying Manual focus in my XT3 and I still use a Nikon D5100 and honestly I have taken the more clean crisp images in Manual focus, the image quality is better than using AF in my Fuji and D5100. I am convinced that Manual focus in S5 could be better option than AF in Sony because S5 have a lot of and better tools to exposure, to know how the image will be, beautiful image quality and cheaper than any Sony. If you check your videos in this channel, I prefer the videos you made with the S5 than this with A7sIII, the image quality with S5 is better for my taste. Anyway, I am not sure what I am going to buy, if s5 with Ninja V to easier Manual focus or A7IV and fight with color grading.
All these types of video is basically...
I was too stupid so I bought said camera
I got even dumber and can't use it properly
I got insanely dumb and am thinking about selling it
I'm a fcking moron and will repeat this thought process over and over...
I'm a huge fcktard so camera I'm selling said camera...
In my book the S5 is better in low light because the a7s iii messes up the colours and white balance. Also the Sony colours are still not there. You can almost always tell because skin tones are still yellowish green . I sold the Sony for the S5 (and now S1). And the obnoxious stabilisation of the Sony.
I'm debating between these cameras right now... but I'm still leaning towards the s5. A7sIII and FX3 still look to have too much in-camera sharpening which looks horrid and digital. As great as the FX3 picture is... I can't get over the disgusting sharpening. If this CAN be turned off fully in-camera, please let me know!
I fully agree, having owned Sony cameras. Too sharp and almost clinical looking. No soul lol
nothing a promist filter cant fix. the s5 still has aliasing issues tho which could be a deal breaker
@@burnerr yea, promists are great... but I really think it's the what the in-camera sharpening does to micro-contrast... it looks digital and the effect is still there, even with the filter (although the image does look a bit better). But after more research it looks like the FX3 can virtually turn off all sharpening and it looks very nice and organic. So I'm leaning towards the FX3 again.
@@Frontigenics ahh thats useful to know. I go back and forth between getting the gh6, fx3, a7iv, s5, and the new XH2S.
Renting a RED or Arri is pretty dead cheap in LA though so it makes no sense to be an owner operator with an FX6 or even an FX3.
Leaning more towards the XH2S due to the built in 10bit film emulations. Color grading is fun but sometimes its more efficient to give someone color ready footage on the spot.
Have you turned down the detail to -7?
I just wanna mention some points:
If you think that gyro is better IS (which in my opinion is very unpopular opinion since micro jitters don't disappear) that's a huge argument for the pocket 4k/6k at the price.
If you think that high ISO is nice, you can max out the Panasonic S1 and S1H dual ISO to start at a higher point.
The dynamic range of the Panasonic line up compared to the A7sIII is not large.
For those reasons I just bought the S1 over the FX30/A7IV and spent the rest on lighting and an easyrig :))
Just bought the s5 after using the a7s3. A lot to do with budget. Always have access to the a7s3 as a good friend owns it. I will say if you have the cash and need 4k 120 or 4k 60 that have identical image quality to the 24fps the a7s is the obvious choice. However, the image quality on the s5 actually looks better even if you are shooting at 600 Mbps on the a7s3. The way the s5 encoded or renders the image looks less processed and over sharpened even if you turn the sharpness all the way down on the sony.
I actually prefer the photos out of the a7s surprisingly but for video the s5 looks better to me. Probably subjective. I also had a lot of experience with HLG with the gh5 and got some very professional looking video out of that in Davinci resolve.
All in all very happy with the s5! For the price it's the best hybrid you can buy.. if you want anything above m43.
Also the low light performance on the s5 was cleaner all the way up to 10000.
Come back we miss you 🦋
You broke my heart tbh 😭
i use a sony a7iii and a lumix g9 on weddings with sigma 16mm 1.4 and i have no problem with autofocus ,the stabiliization is more than enough and now i sell my g9 to buy for 1500 euros an s5 ,a7siii still very expensive.For me to buy a camera for 3500 -4000 euros must be something between the image quality of black magic the stabilization of panasonic and with the advantages of sony in autofocus etc ,and this camera does not exist yet,2 years before i was using sony a6500 with great autofocus so if anyone needs just good image quality and fast autofocus i recomend to buy 6500 for 1000 euros instead of the way more sony cameras,No one will understand the difference ,in fact i use also and a humble osmo pocket (200 euros)(when the bride is moving) with very sharp image and the results are very descent!
I just purchased an A7IV this week, and will be selling my S5 with lenses as well. My only issue with the S5 really just boils down to Auto Focus. Manually focusing every shot because you can’t rely on your camera to get it right makes me have to repeat many shots, and for event films is just not a very enjoyable experience. It also makes you look less confident in front of clients when you ask then to retake the just you just took. I hate Sony colors with a passion, but I’m going to try my best to figure out how to get a consistent grade as I mainly shooting in the Natural Profile, so it’ll be a real pain to get the colors right.
If, and only if Panasonic decides to implement useable PDAF then I will switch back immediately, but I will unfortunately have to leave as my work is mainly run-and-gun, and good AF is a must.
Just shoot in Slog and use a color space transform in davinci resolve across the entire project. By far the best way to avoid those issues. I agree though it still is better with Panasonic colors.
Phantom Luts will save you with the Sony colours.
@@colinthomas2525 I ended up getting them, and they look amazing. What I love about them is that you don’t have to ETTR like you would with other LUTs out there. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@AbdonPhirathon no problem
so , i am not a professional and a year ago i got my lumix s5 , i love this camera but i always saw the difficulty of auto focus , mainly because i am not a professional , three months ago i got the sony a7iv and i am impressed with the auto focus, in short, I still love lumix but I'm investing only in Sony lenses.
The focusing can be hard for those just learning how to do videography, especially when it's manual. Happy to hear your experience with the A7IV has been good though. Best of luck to you!
Hi mate, what lens did you use in this video? It looks awesome. Cheers!
S5 2 is out soon and fixed the AF
What camera did you use to film the talking head?
which glasses Or frames are those? Brand, thank you!
It's the obvious choice. Other than stabilisation and maybe colours, we would all have a Sony A7SIII over the S5 but they're not in the same league in terms of price. I hope the Sony serves you well.
where did you sell your camera? whats the best place to sell your gear??
That’s what I’m saying let me know lol I’m looking to upgrades
Just bought a new one dude. Great b or c static cam for events. V log is killer. Autofocus for video? Uh, no.... 😊
Also have the A7S3 of course. They match well in log. Not perfect, but close enough.
Great video by the way.
Uff 😂😂😂
I’m also leaving Panasonic selling my s5
What are you thinking of getting Brian?
I sold my Sony a7III, I leaving sony, had been using it since 2016, I got bored of Sony, Moving on Panasonic Lumix S5, I did buy the lumix s5 cine kit that B & H has with the atomos ninja V, can't wait to start shooting with it. I was planning to get the a7IV but that overheating make change my mind!