Since I got my GFX 100S, I've been striving to achieve color accuracy with Sony, Canon, and Nikon cameras. It's amazing to see that Nikon may be the closest to FUJI when it comes to color reproduction.
If my understanding is correct, the flange distance from the Z mount gathers more light because it's at 16mm, compared to L, RF, and F mounts are ranged around 20mm. Thats why when the ISO are compared, Nikon tends to be brighter. And hence why they can also create wider aperture range like the f/0.95 58mm Nikkor
Now that Nikon Z6III is out, would like to see the comparison with the S5IIX,. I feel where the panasonic wins, apart from the stabilization and color (subjective) is the way it holds exposure/Dynamic Range. I think this is where it always trumps its Sony counterpart.
I really hope this comparison will need to be updated before the end of the year with a Z6III. If that's the only other camera Nikon releases in 2023, along with the Z8, it will be a successful year! (Though a Z90 or Z70 would be amazing too!)
As a general use scenario, either will work well in day to day use, but if I need the vast range of fast long telephotos like a 600 f4, that's an easy choice.
Both use the same base sensor (Sony IMX410) so this is really a comparison of everything else- AF layout, processing, build, ergonomics, features etc etc. Which is almost more interesting to me, since it seems that nowadays many comparisons get bogged down in the minutae of image quality (which is so incredibly high across all modern cameras) differences, at the expense of those other factors.
Seems like the eye is sharper in Nikon everytime you show the magnification 🤔 Thanks for the comparison. Both systems I'm interested in. Now I have Canon DSLR and a humble Z50, I'm waiting for the market to settle in pair of years and then decide for a system, that could be Nikon Z, Panasonic L-Mount or Canon RF.
Kudos for your comments on ergo details…thought you called out a number of those little irritations with the Nikon models that annoy me, though i buy them for their image quality.
If you plan on doing a lot of hybrid video shooting, the Panasonic wins hands down. And for $200 more you can have the IIx which will record direct to SSD. For straight stills, I suspect that the Nikon with the CFExpress card can clear its buffer much more quickly than the Lumix if you record only to the one slot. Lenses? Tough call. If you want to shoot extra long, then go Nikon. For hybrid video? Maybe L-mount (especially the Sigma lineup) offers better value, though the Nikon 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 are best in class if money is no object.
This is the first review I’ve seen that mentions the dial on the shutter button on the Lumix. I think it looks ugly, but it’s so good to use. No need to move your finger from the shutter button when shooting. I’m torn between the A7IV and the S5iix atm, but ergonomically the LUMIX feels so much better.
Hello. Which one did you go with ultimately? I'm torn as well, love the features and ergonomics of the S5 but Sony's budget lens lineup looks much more appealing to an amateur like me
Since they are so close, for me it comes down to lens selections, at the focal ranges I use most. With Sigma, some are available on both system, but Tamron only covers the Z? For manual video lenses, I think the L-mount has more native choices, but then maybe you should just go with a S5 and same a lot of money.
for me, the biggest advantage s5ii has is the ability to grade videos and photos in camera and be done with it. no fussing around in premiere and spending time on grading. yes, it's not reversable, but it's so convenient. very interested in s5ii lately. i don't quite expect any other brand that has good video af and tracking (so, not fuji or olympus) to implement that too any soon, and i suspect panasonic will be the first (if they will do it) to do dual video recording, as to keep both log and graded-in-camera files, alongside. and yes, that bing is too loud, as it has also been pointed out before in a previous video..
By now I've seen half a dozen of your videos. I'm subscribing, may I make a guess? You are a lecturer in a dedicated school, hence your didactic clarity and narrative quality, and the modeling girls are your students that do this as their own study projects. Right or not?
Hello, I still have 4 colors for video and photo recordings with the Panasonic Lumix S5II Unfortunately, Panasonic could not give me an answer, and I didn't find any answers in the manual either. 1: Slow motion recording is only possible with MOV? can't you record slow motion with MP4? 2: Is it possible to record with normal settings (without S&Q mode) with 100, 120, 180 FPS and slow down when editing slow motion? If you record on S&Q then you only have slow movement without sound, but can't you record normally with sound but at high FPS e.g. 100, 120 fps? (possible with other cameras like Sony! 3: S5II has 5 different types of shutters, I read in the manual (399) which ones are more precise and accurate than the others? what is different? 4: where can I find the picture account roll? That is, after the picture is taken, the picture appears on the display without pressing any button for 2 (or more) seconds to check. Thank you very much
The Nikon Z6 ii has dropped to 1499 euros! What do you think? Is it worth it? Taking into account that a camera is going to accompany us for at least the next decade while Panasonic S5II with the L mount is out there at 2.200 euros body, and Sony A7 IV at 2700 euros? The L mount has few so few lenses and the taxes are devastating. But the price for the same quality is comperable to E mount.. at least in Europe. So what do you think? Nikon Z6ii at 1500 for the next decade or it is NOT that future proof ???
@@TheSlantedLens I don't think so. If you want to profit with all the good things of a new camera, you have to use native lenses without using an adapter. Cause AF is not as fast as it could, and not so good as it could with adapted lenses. That's why people buy native lenses later. Mostly one year later after they have bought the body. Have this in mind, you will buy native lenses no matter in which you are already invested in. And use Cashback Activities from manufacturer to save money!
I chose Nikon because I like the body more but more importantly, the lens choice is much better for Nikon. It was even an easier choice for me because I have 6 Sony lenses, which all work well on Nikon with an adapter.
Nikon have 2 mode to increase dynamic range. - HDR on - Active D-Lighting Can you test this mode for photo and video? I like photo and video with great dynamic range but without post procesing
When we describe differences in brightness as "over-exposure" or "under-exposure", that's a form of attribution. And often not valid. The root problem is that ISO never defined correct exposure with the ISO sensitivity range and corresponding exposure values. That also was the case in the film days, but every manufacturer adhered to Kodak's de facto standard and world domination. Today Kodak has no role any longer and when we compare cameras, we must take this into account. The best approach is to shoot a Sekonic "target" with both cameras and run the shots through their software. This will give you two things: (1) ISO & Correct exposure according to Sekonic, (2) your camera's contrast envelope (the dynamic range available in one shot - what testers like DxOMark call "dynamic range is actually the operating range in light level differences). In a comparison like this here, this would mean the results from this calibration inform you about what exposure correction to set when you set both at, say, ISO 100. Or else, you place exposure with one of the cameras in the wrong place in its contrast envelope and make it look worse. In a way the ISO freedom could justify a camera manufacturer to treat a new camera differently than they always did, e.g. when they developed a new way of metering. So, we cannot even assume that ISO v exposure has the same meaning with all, say Nikon, models (firmware versions).
Another "deeper" problem in comparing exposure is that you tend to abstract the T-stop of the respective lenses away. You may remember that DxOMark reported a T-stop of 1.5 for the 1.4G primes of one brand and also reported a T-stop of 1.5 for the 1.2L primes of another brand. Ignore that in comparisons and you draw the wrong conclusions
What! We never heard what camera Josephine liked. Is it just me or are you turning up the number of categories you give points in. That was a lot of points given. (Guess that's why people complain about the bell). 🙂 Still as solid a compression as they come.
There is more L mount lenses available. I was using Nikon for awhile nice system. However the backward mounting lenses and lens caps always threw me for a loop.
For all practical purposes there is a lot more lenses for Nikon Z system, not only the native lenses, but also practically all Sony e-mount lenses work very well with an adapter.
It's really bad that almost all youtubers don't do low light autofocus test...almost every mirrorless camera is great wit AF in good light, but we need low light AF test...or backlight AF test...that are situations where some cameras are better than another... :)
I agree, I think the S5II is the better camera overall which is good since I bought one a few months ago ;) BTW you can shoot 4:2:2 10 bit on the S5II also.
Yea maybe something not as loud…and more subtle like a click….that ping when I’m watching normal videos is irritating because it makes think I’m getting texts and being distracted while trying to watch a video.
Comparaison Bidon ! Chaque fois que vous comparez le Panasonic S5II avec un boitier d'une autre marque, comme par hasard Panasonic est le meilleur. Changez de métier ou alors soyez honnête ! Bogus comparison! Whenever you compare the Panasonic S5II with a case of another brand, as luck would have it that Panasonic is the best. Change your job or be honest !
2:40 What lenses were on the respective cameras?
Since I got my GFX 100S, I've been striving to achieve color accuracy with Sony, Canon, and Nikon cameras. It's amazing to see that Nikon may be the closest to FUJI when it comes to color reproduction.
Really? I would think that panasonic colours are closer to fuji. Im comimg from fuji and dont know which of these two to get
@@Stories_4_Everyone Yeah. I have the GFX 100S, the Nikon ZFC and the Lumix S5II the Lumix definitly come close to Fuji
We thought that the Lumix was closer to Fuji, but maybe it depends on which camera you are using.
@@TheSlantedLens I’m using the Z8 and z9. Wait am I missing something not trying lumix?!
@@jarrellelee If you're using the Z8 and Z9, you're not missing *anything*.
If my understanding is correct, the flange distance from the Z mount gathers more light because it's at 16mm, compared to L, RF, and F mounts are ranged around 20mm. Thats why when the ISO are compared, Nikon tends to be brighter. And hence why they can also create wider aperture range like the f/0.95 58mm Nikkor
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Nikon 58mm F0.95
£8.5k.. no thanks. 😊
Now that Nikon Z6III is out, would like to see the comparison with the S5IIX,. I feel where the panasonic wins, apart from the stabilization and color (subjective) is the way it holds exposure/Dynamic Range. I think this is where it always trumps its Sony counterpart.
Yes, that is totally a great plan!
Sir please make a video on z8 vs Sony A7r5 image quality
That would be a good comparison. Thanks for the suggestion.
I am looking at what Nikon does with the Nikon Z5 Mark 2. With the release of the Sony A74, Panasonic S5 Mark ii and Fuji S-20.
When coming z5m2 ? This year?
Lovely comparison. May I ask what lenses were used?
I really hope this comparison will need to be updated before the end of the year with a Z6III. If that's the only other camera Nikon releases in 2023, along with the Z8, it will be a successful year! (Though a Z90 or Z70 would be amazing too!)
That will be exciting when they come out. Can't wait!
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Nice video, I have the s5ii and it's amazing. And the bell "ding" is louder than the speaker...plz change it or lower it's volume 🙏🏿👌🏿
Thanks for the feedback. Will fix the ding sound in the future.
As a general use scenario, either will work well in day to day use, but if I need the vast range of fast long telephotos like a 600 f4, that's an easy choice.
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Both use the same base sensor (Sony IMX410) so this is really a comparison of everything else- AF layout, processing, build, ergonomics, features etc etc. Which is almost more interesting to me, since it seems that nowadays many comparisons get bogged down in the minutae of image quality (which is so incredibly high across all modern cameras) differences, at the expense of those other factors.
Lots of good points. Thanks for sharing!
lovely comparison. wow how is the nikon so much brighter at the same settings? It really makes the model pop
They both have really nice images!
Different ISO scales
Seems like the eye is sharper in Nikon everytime you show the magnification 🤔
Thanks for the comparison. Both systems I'm interested in. Now I have Canon DSLR and a humble Z50, I'm waiting for the market to settle in pair of years and then decide for a system, that could be Nikon Z, Panasonic L-Mount or Canon RF.
Hard decision. Good luck with your purchase!
Kudos for your comments on ergo details…thought you called out a number of those little irritations with the Nikon models that annoy me, though i buy them for their image quality.
Yes, the image quality is great with the Nikon and with the Lumix as well!
If you plan on doing a lot of hybrid video shooting, the Panasonic wins hands down. And for $200 more you can have the IIx which will record direct to SSD. For straight stills, I suspect that the Nikon with the CFExpress card can clear its buffer much more quickly than the Lumix if you record only to the one slot. Lenses? Tough call. If you want to shoot extra long, then go Nikon. For hybrid video? Maybe L-mount (especially the Sigma lineup) offers better value, though the Nikon 85mm f1.2 and 50mm f1.2 are best in class if money is no object.
Thanks for sharing your insight!
This is the first review I’ve seen that mentions the dial on the shutter button on the Lumix. I think it looks ugly, but it’s so good to use. No need to move your finger from the shutter button when shooting. I’m torn between the A7IV and the S5iix atm, but ergonomically the LUMIX feels so much better.
Tough decision. Good luck with your purchase!
Hello. Which one did you go with ultimately? I'm torn as well, love the features and ergonomics of the S5 but Sony's budget lens lineup looks much more appealing to an amateur like me
I thought Nikon only did 10 bit externally?
that's right
It does 4:2:2 10-Bit via HDMI
UHD 4K (3840 x 2160)
Merci pour cette vidéo très informative.
You are welcome. Thanks for watching!
Since they are so close, for me it comes down to lens selections, at the focal ranges I use most. With Sigma, some are available on both system, but Tamron only covers the Z? For manual video lenses, I think the L-mount has more native choices, but then maybe you should just go with a S5 and same a lot of money.
Lots of things to consider. Thanks for watching!
could you please make a review of S5 mark 2 special features : hight res modes , luts and so on
for me, the biggest advantage s5ii has is the ability to grade videos and photos in camera and be done with it. no fussing around in premiere and spending time on grading. yes, it's not reversable, but it's so convenient. very interested in s5ii lately.
i don't quite expect any other brand that has good video af and tracking (so, not fuji or olympus) to implement that too any soon, and i suspect panasonic will be the first (if they will do it) to do dual video recording, as to keep both log and graded-in-camera files, alongside.
and yes, that bing is too loud, as it has also been pointed out before in a previous video..
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
By now I've seen half a dozen of your videos. I'm subscribing, may I make a guess? You are a lecturer in a dedicated school, hence your didactic clarity and narrative quality, and the modeling girls are your students that do this as their own study projects. Right or not?
Some of it is correct. But the talent are models or actors who do that for a living.
Hello, I still have 4 colors for video and photo recordings with the Panasonic Lumix S5II
Unfortunately, Panasonic could not give me an answer, and I didn't find any answers in the manual either.
1: Slow motion recording is only possible with MOV? can't you record slow motion with MP4?
2: Is it possible to record with normal settings (without S&Q mode) with 100, 120, 180 FPS and slow down when editing slow motion?
If you record on S&Q then you only have slow movement without sound, but can't you record normally with sound but at high FPS e.g. 100, 120 fps? (possible with other cameras like Sony!
3: S5II has 5 different types of shutters, I read in the manual (399) which ones are more precise and accurate than the others? what is different?
4: where can I find the picture account roll? That is, after the picture is taken, the picture appears on the display without pressing any button for 2 (or more) seconds to check.
Thank you very much
The Nikon Z6 ii has dropped to 1499 euros! What do you think? Is it worth it? Taking into account that a camera is going to accompany us for at least the next decade while Panasonic S5II with the L mount is out there at 2.200 euros body, and Sony A7 IV at 2700 euros? The L mount has few so few lenses and the taxes are devastating. But the price for the same quality is comperable to E mount.. at least in Europe. So what do you think? Nikon Z6ii at 1500 for the next decade or it is NOT that future proof ???
As of now, 90 Lenses for L-Mount are available through all manufactures. I think this is great for a system which started in 2019.
Hard decision. Make it based on what lens system you are invested in.
@@TheSlantedLens I don't think so. If you want to profit with all the good things of a new camera, you have to use native lenses without using an adapter. Cause AF is not as fast as it could, and not so good as it could with adapted lenses. That's why people buy native lenses later. Mostly one year later after they have bought the body. Have this in mind, you will buy native lenses no matter in which you are already invested in. And use Cashback Activities from manufacturer to save money!
I chose Nikon because I like the body more but more importantly, the lens choice is much better for Nikon. It was even an easier choice for me because I have 6 Sony lenses, which all work well on Nikon with an adapter.
z6iii vs s5iix comparison soon?
*On tv the ring sounds normal but on mobile phone it is very loud*
Agreed, on mobile the ding is much louder than the rest of the audio
That is interesting. So we don't hear the difference when we are listening on our laptops or iMacs. Good to know.
I would like to see s5ii vs s5. And z7ii vs z6ii
We will see what we can do. Thanks for watching!
Nikon have 2 mode to increase dynamic range.
- HDR on
- Active D-Lighting
Can you test this mode for photo and video?
I like photo and video with great dynamic range but without post procesing
It is nice to avoid too much post processing.
i wish the panasonic also has a lcd display on top.
Thats something i liked on the Nikon D3s
That is a nice feature with the Nikon!
🤦♂️ RUclips recommend this after 1 month.... What a algorithm RUclips got.....
That is crazy. That algorithm is super confusing.
When we describe differences in brightness as "over-exposure" or "under-exposure", that's a form of attribution. And often not valid. The root problem is that ISO never defined correct exposure with the ISO sensitivity range and corresponding exposure values.
That also was the case in the film days, but every manufacturer adhered to Kodak's de facto standard and world domination.
Today Kodak has no role any longer and when we compare cameras, we must take this into account.
The best approach is to shoot a Sekonic "target" with both cameras and run the shots through their software.
This will give you two things: (1) ISO & Correct exposure according to Sekonic, (2) your camera's contrast envelope (the dynamic range available in one shot - what testers like DxOMark call "dynamic range is actually the operating range in light level differences).
In a comparison like this here, this would mean the results from this calibration inform you about what exposure correction to set when you set both at, say, ISO 100. Or else, you place exposure with one of the cameras in the wrong place in its contrast envelope and make it look worse.
In a way the ISO freedom could justify a camera manufacturer to treat a new camera differently than they always did, e.g. when they developed a new way of metering. So, we cannot even assume that ISO v exposure has the same meaning with all, say Nikon, models (firmware versions).
Another "deeper" problem in comparing exposure is that you tend to abstract the T-stop of the respective lenses away. You may remember that DxOMark reported a T-stop of 1.5 for the 1.4G primes of one brand and also reported a T-stop of 1.5 for the 1.2L primes of another brand. Ignore that in comparisons and you draw the wrong conclusions
Thanks for sharing you knowledge!
What! We never heard what camera Josephine liked.
Is it just me or are you turning up the number of categories you give points in. That was a lot of points given. (Guess that's why people complain about the bell). 🙂
Still as solid a compression as they come.
Thanks for your feedback. Appreciate your support!
S5ii is newer by 2 years
Good point. And that does make a difference!
There is more L mount lenses available. I was using Nikon for awhile nice system. However the backward mounting lenses and lens caps always threw me for a loop.
That does take some getting use to.
For all practical purposes there is a lot more lenses for Nikon Z system, not only the native lenses, but also practically all Sony e-mount lenses work very well with an adapter.
It's really bad that almost all youtubers don't do low light autofocus test...almost every mirrorless camera is great wit AF in good light, but we need low light AF test...or backlight AF test...that are situations where some cameras are better than another... :)
Lumix S5 II is more expensive than z6 II. If I want to chose one in that price range ...will be Sony IV
Panasonic S5 II is $1997. The Z6 II is $1696. The Sony is $2498.
I agree, I think the S5II is the better camera overall which is good since I bought one a few months ago ;) BTW you can shoot 4:2:2 10 bit on the S5II also.
Hope you are happy with your S5II
What a difference 9 months make. Nikon is now under $1600 and Panasonic is under $1700.
True, if you wait you get a better price. But then you wonder about the newer releases that cost more.
Nikon 4k 10 bit? It’s records 8 bit videos
It can do 10 bit to an external recorder.
Lumix better ❤
Thanks for sharing your preference!
Panasonic is for Video but still is also better then z6 ii
the shadows on the Panasonic looked crushed compared to the nikon nikon shadows much more pleasing
Thanks for sharing your observation and thanks for watching!
We need comprasion with Nikon z5
We will keep that in mind. Thanks for the suggestion.
for photos the nikon wins but for videos panasonic wins
Your bell ringing makes your video unwatchable!
Sorry to hear that. We will fix it on the next ones.
@@TheSlantedLenso just reduce the volum of the ring it is too loud
maybe for you
So, did she buy the panasonic ? And let's see her taking some pictures of you !😂
LOL. Probably not. Her focus is more on acting and modeling.
Ring, Ring, Ring, SO IRRITATING !
Thanks for letting us know.
Yea maybe something not as loud…and more subtle like a click….that ping when I’m watching normal videos is irritating because it makes think I’m getting texts and being distracted while trying to watch a video.
@TheSlantedLens I like the ring. Not irritating at all
Please LOSE the irritating bell that you ring to make your points. Please
Note taken. Thanks for the feedback!
Comparaison Bidon ! Chaque fois que vous comparez le Panasonic S5II avec un boitier d'une autre marque, comme par hasard Panasonic est le meilleur. Changez de métier ou alors soyez honnête !
Bogus comparison! Whenever you compare the Panasonic S5II with a case of another brand, as luck would have it that Panasonic is the best. Change your job or be honest !
We share what we observe. There are pros and cons to both cameras.
Such a horrible bling sound, shut it down. The review ist OK
Neither of those.
Thanks for watching and keep on clickin!
You better say good things about Nikon or they will rage hard. 😅
Working on being fair. We love both brands.
Irritating.....
What are you referring to?
I don't have to wonder with one I would buy as I now have both, the Nikon was on sale at B&H CAMERA so I could not resist.
Enjoy your new cameras. Thanks for watching!
None of them the canon R6 Mk II leaves them behind
Thanks for sharing you preference!
but no choice with third partt lens on the Canon..