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Panasonic S5 II vs Sony A7 IV - In-Depth Comparison!
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
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Birds in Flight Test:
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:40 Design
8:33 Image Quality
16:42 Autofocus
26:11 Drive Speed
29:13 Video
36:12 Stabilisation
39:46 Price and Lenses
41:57 Conclusion
I'm glad there still are people in the English segment of RUclips who produce well balanced detailed reviews.
Thank you!
outstanding comparison.... I have been a dedicated panasonic user for many years BUT panasonic have kept their heads in the sand for far too long and they have paid a high price. I am absolutely furious with panasonic for taking so long to pull their heads out of the sand when it comes to focus tracking. they are not quite there yet so i'm holding off for further improvements before I make a purchase. zen billings in canada
Ive owned both and I prefer the S5II. It's quite superior in both video (can shoot 6K open gate) and stabilization is much better than Sony. The S5II was already a great deal but at its holiday sale price right now of $1,700 it's easily the best value on the market. Especially when you can bundle a lens with it for not much more money. I just picked one up and love it so far.
How was the build quality of the Sony compared to the Lumix?
While I think the LUMIX is a phenomenal video camera, I absolutely love my A7IV. I will say one thing I am missing in my A7IV as a Mac user that the LUMIX and Fuji XH2S have is capability to shoot in ProRes
Values of the S5II are tanking on the used market too, I snagged one in new condition with less than 500 shutter counter for $1100.
stabilisation in photography, in video lumix is horrible
@@sottosopra4769 you've never used the camera lol. so you wouldn't know that it's actually insane
Great comparative review! You spoke for 45mins, and every second was full of detail and insight. Thank you!
I appreciate that! Thank you for the comment.
Thanks for the thorough comparison. Live View Composite was a feature that swayed me to the S5II. Also as a macro photographer I needed a camera that uses the mechanical shutter for focus bracketing, as it means a flash can be used.
Thanks for sharing your feedback. Glad the S5 II is working out well for you 👍
Your review is GOLD! Very in-depth and detailed, respect to you!
Thank you so much 🙂
Very grateful for this comparison Mathieu and the S5II seems to have fairly capable PDAF which very impressive for Pana's first attempt. I'm really surprised how well it did in BIF especially after the tests you did of the person walking towards and away from the camera for photos (where it still did quite decently well, and was ok in lowlight). Thank you!
Yes it’s not a bad performance, obviously still lacking behind Sony but hopefully they can catch up quickly now 🙂
Inreal wedding type of scenario Panasonic AF is bad..relly bad. trust me
@@Ciprian820918with video its working excellent, but for photography its disspoiting.
Very in-depth review, thanks for that!
Thank you for this in-depth comparison. I have always been a fan of Panasonic but currently shoot with an A7III. This video will help me to decide on a future upgrade.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you! I had my eyes on the A7 for a long time but because of the fact that I did own two Panasonic cameras in the past, I may consider the S5 II.
Samyang joined the L Mount Alliance too. Just wait for Samyang lenses with L Mount ❤
Yes, that's good news!
Great job! I think since the Panasonic is the newest one on the market, that Panasonic has the opportunity to address issues that can be addressed in software via firmware updates. Make the auto focus on par with the SONY 100%, fix that LCD zoom-in feature and sharpen it up a bit...... and more things as they get customer feedback. At the same time SONY has the opportunity to improve their IBIS and who knows what else with an "A7V" which is probably due before to long.
I’m definitely leaning towards the LUMIX after this video. Thanks for a great review!
Thanks for watching!
It would be nice you can re-test the autofocus with the new firmware.🎉
At last! I was missing your comparisons so much! I wanted to buy one of these two cameras and without your analysis I felt that the expert opinion was missing 👏
Thanks. So which one you're going to buy? Have you decided?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons can i buy lumix (and i need it for both photo & video) wedding purpose what do you think??
Great review, thanks for sharing. If you’ve still got the S5II the latest FW3.0 looks significant.
You are a born teacher sir. An intelligent content creator. Never believed I could watch from beginning to the end. I celebrate your well detailed review. Shalom
I bought the S5IIX because it’s more video focused and I like Panasonic’s color science much better…..it was a simple choice for me! Thanks for the great review comparison !
Thank you for creating this thorough and informative comparison!
Thanks for watching!
best lumix s52 and sony FF comparison. nailed it
Thank you!
About catalyst browse, it doesn't reduce sharpness, but all of the softness comes from motion blur, because you have to turn all stabilization off. So it is similar to programs like gyroflow, where you need to stabilize the camera on a gimbal or a rig to avoid jitters before applying the digital stabilization.
I remember comparing Catalyst to the digital stabilization tool in Final Cut Pro and there was no loss of sharpness with FCPX.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons can you try putting footage shot on a tripod through catalyst and see if it softens it up?
I tried now with the shot I used for my sharpness test. Same result: with Catalyst, the footage is soft compared to the original. I've prioritised image quality, tried different crop amount, tried different codecs for the output, same thing. Catalyst Browse doesn't offer a lot of settings to play with, but when I tested the trial of Catalyst Prepare a while back, I got the same result once again.
To be honest, the only reason I included Catalyst in my video here is to show that what you can get with Sony in post, you get it with Panasonic in camera (they're not exactly the same, but they are close). I actually find Catalyst really good and better than most digital stabilisation on editing softwares, it's just a shame to loose details like that. Not sure what's going on. I even tried different shutter speeds in a previous test.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons That's a bummer. But also, catalyst is not great at low light where you can't crank the shutter speed, without getting a ton of noise. A good traditional stabilization system will run laps around it in low light.
Sony being the biggest camera company, somehow have the worst stabilization, both in body and lens.
I purchased Panasonic S5 IIX with kit lens 20-60 and 50mm f1.8
Now planning for telephoto lens between Panasonic 70-300 or Sigma 100-400
Amazing comparison video, the best one i ve seen, fantastic eagle photography too!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent comparison: detailed and comprehensive. Thank you for your hard work!
Glad you liked it!
Very balanced review. thank you!
Finally some review which is honest and not some shilling
The best comparison of the s5m2 I've seen so far!
Thank you!
For me there is no such thing as the perfect lens or camera or anything else. In the day when you could work on cars I did basic maintenance and I could not do so with a half inch socket or open end wrench. I was at a wedding that took place in the Finger Lakes region of New York State, I brought a Fujifilm XT5 with a few primes, a 13& 75mm Viltrox, a 23 & 16mm Fujifilm and 33mm Tokina, all fit in a Think Tank vision 13 bag. It may seem like a lot to pack, but many of the lens are not that large and this was my first time in the Finger Lakes so I wanted to photograph a wide variety of subjects. I found myself using the Viltrox 13 & 75mm lens the most.
There is a fine tuning available to catch the eyes of birds,look at the video in english at 1' to 1'55" everything is well ! 😊
I definitely follow until the end. Less videos then others but great quality ones. I prefer that. Grazie
Thank you! 😊
Hello Mathieu, excellent and informative video as usual, thank you. Any comment on how the S5II does with the latest 2.3 firmware in regards to autofocus? Any significant improvements?
I don't have the camera anymore so no feedback about firmware 2.3, sorry!
I've previously owned sigma lenses and sold all of it because the auto focus is slower versus the company's own lenses. It may have affected the actual performance of both cameras on auto focus tracking and image rendering.
Same
Eye AF test done with Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 and Lumix S 70-200mm F2.8. Concerts shots taken with a variety of Sigma, Panasonic and Sony lenses. All this is stated in the titles and exif data in the video...
Wildlife shots taken with the only lens that was long enough and available at the time for the S5 II.
Was thinking about getting the A7 IV + the Sony 200-600mm zoom lens to replace my Fuji X-H2, but the burst speed just isn't really up to today's standards, especially when shooting action. Ended up buying a Z8 and pre-ordering the Nikkor 180-600 instead, which I hope you'll be testing at some point.. 😁
A couple of weeks ago, the A7 IV was reduced to 1800€ here in Germany, pretty much a no-brainer for anyone shopping at that price-point.
Wow that's a nice prise of Sony A7IV Is that only in Germany? I love the new lens 180-600mm of nikon but the cameras are still expensive for me. Wish they had a better auto focus camera at the price of canon R7 or R8. I would buy it immediately.
Yes, the Z8 is definitely on my to-review list! 👍
Best comparison video I’ve seen thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Stellar video, thank you!
Excellent. Clear. Thorough. Thank you.
Cheers!
Thanks for the interesting comparrison
Excellent comparatif merci Mathieu !
Great review
🎉excllent review, appreciate the depth to which you have gone . outstanding on your part. ....... zen billings in canada
Thank you!
Thanks for the comparison 👌
My pleasure!
Very good comparison. I like the way the Panasonic can zoom in for focusing in a small overlay window instead of full screen. I use manual focus lenses so focus aids are important. However, if that zoom is not sharp it's a big minus point. Even on the 12 megapixel A7sii that zooming is sharp. The Panasonic S1 has a very high quality EVF and since I only use manual focus lenses that could be helpful but if the zoom is fuzzy it defeats this benefit.
Yes, I like that overlay window as well, it's a shame the magnification is not as useful as it could be. I remember older Sony cameras like the A7 III having the same problem in video mode.
Best review !
I suspect the Sony A7iv to use contrast to fine tune focusing. That is because when shooting runners , the global hit rate is very low, but it's about zero when it comes to blondes with blond eyebrows and light eyes. Even though the face is detected with the green box in the EVF , actual focus is off. It works much better with very light skin with dark eyebrows , thin-rimmed glasses , wrinkled faces .
Great review. I am thinking about buying new camera. This video review helps with decision. Thank you.
both really great for video, for video s5 has better value. But sony is better for photography.
Very good and fair material!
Thanks!
A very, very good comparison! I wish you had an original S5 as well to make the same thorough comparison with the S5m2!
Thank you. Yes I thought about the S5 a few times while preparing the video, and I agree it would have been nice to give more feedback about the original model. I saw it discounted to £1200 on Amazon's prime deals the other day, that's a fantastic price for a camera of this calibre, if AF is not a main priority.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons indeed, according to the (rather rare and less thorough) comparisons S5 vs S5m2 I watched on YT, the original S5 performs slightly better in every discipline (especially in low light) but the AF… The question is whether a switch from the S5 to the S5 m2 should be considered as an upgrade or downgrade, actually…
Does Lumix offer long lenses like that?
AS far as I know they have a 70-300mm zoom, that's it. BTW, Lumix has a Sony sensor.
Outstanding review…. No other words.
thank you
Gracias yo quiero las dos!!!😅
Great job! Still need to get my hands on both
Let me know your thoughts when you do!
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons For sure!
amazing test!
what would you recommend more for family and travel?! s5ii or a7iv?
They can both do well for travel, but you'll have more choice of lenses with the A7 IV, and Sony's Eye AF is faster and more reliable for family pictures.
Has Panasonic improved the photo AF with software updates? Seems odd it does great on video.
Not that I'm aware of. Hopefully in the future.
Hope they will or my next camera will be a Canon!
11:45 high resolution settings blur mode
For video autofocus, how big would you say the difference is between the Panasonic S5ii and Sony in real-world scenarios? I film weddings and occasionally nature/sports with a lot of unpredictable movement, so I need reliable AF. Which video AF system would you say is overall better and for what reason?
For context, I'm deciding between the S5ii and the Sony A7siii. I like the S5ii more as an overall camera, but curious if the AF difference is big enough to sway me to Sony.
I never tested the A7Siii unfortunately, so can’t comment directly on that one, but I would expect it to perform on the same level as other Sony models such as the A7iv.
In general, I find the S5ii to do well if you stick with the single AF point.
For video specifically, face/eye detection works fine, at least with a person walking, or simply filming yourself in front of the camera. I can’t confirm how good it could be in a more busy environment such as in a wedding venue. The face/eye detection could be more erratic.
Overall, the main difference is that Sony has better Eye AF and Tracking, whereas with the Lumix there are many moments where you need to disable subject detection, and just work with a single point that you move manually. The tracking mode on the Panasonic is also unreliable, wether it’s photo or video.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thank you for such a thorough response. That's very helpful. I've subscribed!
Which one is better suited for wildlife? Im between s5ii with sigma 60-600 and a7iv and sony 200-600 for an upcoming safari in south africa, I will take my Om1 paired with a 40-150 f2.8 as second body and a panasonic gx9 with a olympus 12-40 f2.8 as a third camera for wider shots
which produces the best video quality?
Really looking forward to your impressions of the A6700. Particularly for us birders.
Thanks. The A6700 is on my to-review list :-)
Thank you.@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons
Photo test is done on AFS or afc? AFS uses dus while afc uses phase detect as far as I know. Afc is much more reliable where AFS hunts more.
All the autofocus tests were done with AFC , so with phase detection.
Yes, AFS uses DfD only.
I hope Panasonic will correct the magenta skin in photos. It's a real problem
They just release a new update is it still like that?
Best comparsiom i see
Excellent comparison! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
I noticed a little bit in photo mode with RAW files, but I had to magnify the images a lot to see some of it.
Specs are important but result and enjoying using a camera are more important in my opinion.
A fiend gave me his a7iv for one week and even if it is a beast of camera -(af is amazing) I can t enjoy it.
Display is not so good, ergonimic neighter and there a few things that are not so logic
One thing you forgot to mention is that Panasonic reverts back to DFD autofocus in 1080p at high frame rates. (50 & 60fps or more)
Indeed, I didn't know that. Quite disappointing it can't handle the faster frame rates in FHD.
what camera and lens are you using to record this video, quality is great
I use the A7 IV with FE 20mm F1.8 in APS-C mode. The reason behind this particular setup is that I use a small Teleprompter (the Parrot) which mounts on the lens directly, but doesn't work well with my 24-70mm F2.8 unless I zoom in past 35mm (but the frame becomes too narrow). The 20mm gives me the perfect field of view in APS-C mode and works well with the Teleprompter. Previously I also used the FE 35mm F1.8, then the FE 35mm 1.4 GM, but I prefer a wider view than 35mm, and the G Master lens is not great with AF for video (lots of breathing back and forth).
Hello, I am considering purchasing the S5 II, but after seeing several testers of this device, I have some doubts.
Can you tell me in the 30 fps burst mode, when you press the shutter button there is always this moment of slowdown when the burst starts?
Still in burst mode, to overcome this problem is there a pre-trigger mode (like on the G9 II)
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Bonjour, j'envisage l'achat du S5 II, mais à force de voir plusieurs testeurs de cet appareil, j'ai quelques doutes.
Pouvez-vous me dire dans le mode rafale 30 i/S , quand on appuie sur le déclencheur il y a toujours ce moment de ralentissement au démarrage de la rafale ?
Toujours en mode rafale, pour palier ce problème existe-t-il un mode pré déclenchement (comme sur le G9 II)
Malheureusement, il n'y a pas de pré-déclenchement sur le S5 II. Et oui en effet, il y a un petit délai lorsque la rafale commence, c'est pas énorme mais ça se remarque tout de suite.
I had both, the Sony is really better for BIF and tracking, the Pana has much better IBIS and Open Gate.
Can you explain this in normal languages?
@@Knoblauchkueche BIF bird in flight, tracking object, IBIS in body image stabilization and Open Gate full sensor capture in video.
You are one of the best on camera reviews. Very professional and a lot of work. Now is the time for Sony a6700 😊. Probably with canon R7.. I personally want to buy a new set for wildlife. I love canon cameras but don't really find a lens to match. Especially with the prices of the lenses of Sony (200-600mm at f6.3) and now Nikon (180-600mm at f6.3 which I wish they make a budget camera with better auto focus to match it.) Keep the good work, love the birds in flight test of course 😊😊.
Thank you! Yes A6700 vs R7 is a good one, will see when the Sony becomes available to rent. 😉
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons 👍🙂
The difference is that one ecosystem is vastly superior to the other!
Yeah they even better than canon and terrible sony
IMO, these cameras cannot be properly compared. The Panasonic is a video first oriented camera, the A7iv is more photo oriented. I've owned both, and while the A7iv is good, as a video shooter, I far prefer the Lumix.
Video only the Panasonic looks more cinematic, and image quality is more filmic, while on the Sony video looks more like video--over-sharpened. The filmic look is prized in mirrorless cameras because of the softness of film image.
Plus, the Sony colors remain problematic, being unnatural and even strange. I prefer the more naturalistic colors from Panasonic. Plus, I also find Panasonic V-log to be one of the best and easiest to grade logs ever.
By comparison, the Sony looks to me like a one-trick-pony, with its great AF. But what good is it when the stabilization looks so bad?!?
Finally, the video exposure assist features and waveform should not be ignored.These are great features for video shooting. C4k is also wonderful for cinematic shooting.
Gosh, Sony footage is so green
I NEED HELP, SONY O LUMIX, PLEASE, I'M DRIVING ME CRAZY
It also depends what you want to do with the camera, if you're more into video, or wildlife, or sports etc...
First!
Bravo! 😎
never use ! the catalyst brows, It ruins your footage! and frocve them in to 8 bit, with teh banding issues that comes ! C. Brows is a useless toolk it also softens your footages conciderably !
I can export in 10-bit on mine. To me the most annoying thing is the loss of sharpness.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons If you hear what
Jacques Crafford, clever guy, says about this. He claims its a only a "wrapper", and I can also say I have seen dthis. I actually made movie( land for sale) I ruined some shots after getting to know all about this. I started a case against SONY fro it too ! The wrapper file will show 190 bit, but its not ! If you itest this on filmeing som hig light skies, and compare, you will se that you get 8 bit banding, after Calayst. STop !! useing this softeware, its a footage killer .
that's what i knew also. i mean the fact that you get 8bit with catalyst (from the original 10bit), so i guess its not ok if you grade it afterwards. also, the shutterspeed limitation is not ok.. u barely ever can film 50 shutterspeed, from what i understand it's generally advised to be at at least 200-250.. a no-no for "cinematic".
Sony >>>>> Panasonic
20:25 jeez wasn't expecting Sony to look that bad on skintones, looks greenish/yellowish. Panasonic altough has more magenta, to me it looks more natural, i understand this is video and maybe by shootiing log you can make the sony look better. I'm mainly a photographer and from time to time do use video as well, i have an a7iii and was thinking to upgrade to a7iv or a7rv, but by the looks of it, a7iv still doesn't look amazing, so i wonder how a7rv looks with it's AI chip and claimimg better colours with it's improved AWB algorithm.
The skin tone test are SOOC JPGs, but the color palette is the same for video, although as you said you can record with S-Log, Cinetone is also interesting. The test was taken with manual white balance.
Great review
Cheers!