Love the channel. For me this is pretty much a no-brainer. The A7IV is the clear winner here, unless you do primarily still subjects. That 42meg sensor is great and add the pixel shift function really works well (again for still subjects). But if I had an A7R III, not sure I'd sell it for an A7IV.
You need to get more love in this channel. So much work, effort and time is put into each video... Hope you can keep the workflow consistent and push forward. Hope to be able to make quality content like you in the future!
Good comparison. If you are shooting RAW stills, manually focsing, profiling the camera and manually white balancing the improved picture profiles on the IV become meaningless and the RIII still wins on image quality; delivering a 80+ megabyte file with more information than the 60+ megabyte file from the IV. Depending on viewing sizes this is quite significant. And even more significant if using the multishot function on the RIII. For video, general travel use and environmental portraits I would get the IV and for action the A9 or A1.
I learnt something from your post today: "Operation Customize > Different Set for Still/Mv". It really frustrates me that sometimes I forgot to reset the PP when shooting still photos. Now, I can let "video" have auto ISO, and still photo has a fixed ISO value. VERY VERY VERY useful indeed. To comment on your autofocus at minute 12:32, I totally agree. My A7R III focuses on the nose tip, the ear tip, or the eyebrows instead of on the eye/eyes. With A7 IV, out of 70, it only missed 1. However, both cameras complement my workflow as A7 IV is primarily on video and portrait, while A7R III is on general photos and works great with macro lenses.
Thanks for posting this series of videos. The A7IV ticks so many boxes. I wish they could have gotten the lossless frame rate a bit higher (I take a lot of wildlife photos), but other than that it seems like a perfect camera. It's interesting how Sony's colors have meandered from green to red and back to green over the years. I'm currently shooting Panasonic GH5 and Nikon D500 and it would be nice to only have to carry one body with me in the field. I'm guessing the A7R3 autofocus is outclassed by the D500? I rented the a74 with 200-600mm and it was very competent! I did not miss the d500 at all.
I just bought a Sony a7RiiiA. I understand they've made a few improvements. I don't shoot a lot of video. I can't remember the last time I did. I had a Sony a7iii which I sold recently and have been shooting with a Sony a7c. The a7c is a small camera that's great for travel but Sony has discontinued it and it is two years old. I'll keep it for travelling around town and as a backup. I should have the new one before I travel to the Baltics, Sweden, Finland, Poland and Germany.
very informative comparison. As an A7RIII owner, I feel so excited about the differences between the two. Could not imagine what my next camera is gonna be like after I retired my A7RIII in 2027.
I had the Sony A7RIII which are a great Camera, now I have the Sony A7RIV and the A7RIVA which right now are only $3000 !!! I can very highly recommend the Sony A7RIVA, but be aware in the autumn there comes a Sony A7RV !
I already own a A7iv, which is normally fitted with my Sony 200 - 600. I wanted to upgrade my second camera, an A7Rii, which I use mainly for landscapses and macro, really just for the joystick and the battery type. I wanted to part exchange the A7Rii, along with a Tamron 28 - 70 RXD version and an Olympus lens I no longer use. The A7iv is still £2400 in the UK, but at London Camera Exchange they currently (Mar 23) have a special offer of £1500 for the A7Riii, so it is a no brainer and as a bonus, the part exchange is going to easily going to leave me with enough to purchase a new pair of binoculars, as well as the camera. Roll on Friday.
I am watching these kind for comparisons because I want to update my A7R2. The only solution I have found is to wait until A7R5 price drop to not more than 3000 EUROS :)
Thank you for the video comparisons you do, Mathieu. This one in particular was great timing for me. On the fence between these two models, but your insights helped. -Carole
Excellent video. I'm looking to go FF from APS-C and these are on my radar. Is there a reason why you did not compare the A7IV to the A7RIV instead of the RIII? Would that not have been a better comparison or is there a meaningful reason that I am not aware of?
Hey Matthieu, great video once again. I saw your A7R4 video as well, and I have a question. When the A7R4 is connected to a field monitor in VIDEO mode it loses autofocus function like face detection. (Many have spoken about this and given solutions ie Gerald Undone) However, video is NOT my concern. For still photography. Do you know if the A7R4 loses any autofocus functions while connected via Hdmi to a field monitor?
I haven’t tried this with the A7R IV specifically, but for my reviews I recorded the live view in photo mode of many Sony cameras using an Atomos Ninja V, and the AF was working fine (I used this to show how AF points or face/eye AF were behaving for example).
Today at July 16. 2022 the Sony A7IV are $2500 and the Sony A7RIIIA are $2200, so it is a VERY easy choice for still Photographers, the Sony A7RIIIA are both cheaper and have more megapixels ! I had the Sony A7RIII which are a great Camera, now I have Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA which right now are only $3000 !!! So the best buys are either the Sony A7RIIA or the Sony A7RIVA for still Photographers ! Be aware that a new Sony A7RV will arrive in the autumn !
I'm reading your response. I'm about to buy either A7RIII or A7IV. I am mostly a still photographer, landscapes, nature, etc. but not so much wildlife. In your last sentence, did you mean to write "Sony A7RIIIA" instead of "Sony A7RIIA?"
@@caroledupre go with the Riii. The RiiiA only has a better screen and faster port. You can get a low shutter count Riii on eBay for $1500. I love mine and feel no need to upgrade whatsoever. I've tried the 7iv and Riv and it really doesn't make sense for me personally to upgrade
USB and HDMI are two different things. The ports haven’t changed: Micro USB, USB C and Micro HDMI are present on the original A7R III and the ‘A’ version. On the ‘A’ model, various websites reported that the USB C port was ‘upgraded’ to a USB 3.2. However, in my understanding of the USB C specs madness, the speed remained the same (5Gbps).
Best camera for faimly photography in 2023..amazing sharpnes excilent lowlight photos..best dyminc range ..plzzzz guide me. Which camera body or lense best for me..photos or video?
Here I am trying to decide if I really need to wait for the A7R V or if a used A7R III or A7R IV could be good enough, finding out that A7 IV might be even better? I currently own an A7 III and pretty much only doing stills.
Not sure when the A7R V will arrive. And it will probably be more expensive than these two. I guess it depends if you are in a hurry of changing camera, of if you're happy with the A7 III for now.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I ended up getting a used A7R III. I will keep using my A7 III, I just need a second body for backup and to spend less time switching lenses during paid jobs.
Great Review Mathieu!!! I would even say the best review in direct comparison! Fun Fact - i sell the A7R IV to sidegrade to A7 IV because i´m not happy with the iso perfomance. Last Month i bought the A7R IIIA, because i only use (35mm & 85mm GM)... Thanks a lot for you´re great work!
Is still worth to get an used A7Riii with the sony 16-35mm f/2.8 (GM) both going together for 2k??? I’m trying to decide what’s going to be my first camera, and I want one hybrid camera that I could use for at least 5 years, and I will probably be using only this lens in the first 2 years so Idk if is a good choice. (The shutter count of the camera is 21,000)
It really depends on what you are interested to do with your photography. The A7R III sensor is very good, even today and in 5 years, but the software, video, stabilisation and AF are definitely more outdated. If you're interested in landscape, architecture, general travel with the 16-35mm, it will be a great combo, especially for photography.
I am looking for a new camera and I came across this very topic 2023 A7 R3 or A7 4, before that I wanted Fujifilm X-T5 but in comparison Fuji APS-C is too expensive for the price than Sony. I would be interested in which is right for me? My motives direction should be landscape, vehicle (technology), street photography. Both have are on sale A7R3 for 1770€ or A74 for 2049€ as body in addition I want lens from Sony 35 1.8mm. What do they think?
i'm currently deciding between 73 and r3 as i'm seeing very low and comparable prices on the used market ($1000-1200). the autofocusing looks a bit slower but obviously the r is a higher-tier model and makes more sense especially when at the same price, despite being a few months older with a few upgrades left out for the 73. i am concerned about the weaker iso performance, due to the higher mp count seen mildly in the 74's mp increase. from what i've seen so far the iso difference doesn't seem significant. is the iso difference notable or tolerable? i'm also concerned about moiré issues in the r3 due to lack of a low-pass (a-a) filter although it seems like the aliasing could be avoided and potentially taken care of when necessary. the 74 also seems to have dropped the anti-aliasing filter, i'm reading that it's not used for cameras with higher than the standard 24mp, as aliasing is more prominently introduced when the projected lens resolution is higher than that of the sensor. doesn't this mean the 74 is even more prone to aliasing than the r3? would the moiré on the r3 be an issue for general model, product and architectural shooting? thanks!
You can see for yourself in the video, there are ISO and moiré tests. For the aliasing, are you talking about stills or video? Moiré can be visible when dealing with thin and very detailed texture, like textile. Could also appear on architecture shots depending on the specific building I guess. I rarely had problems with the R3 and moiré, and if not too invasive you can remove it in post.
i'm sorry for any confusion, i was sparse with my terminology, i used r3 as shorthand for sony 7r3, not to be misinterpreted for the recently released canon. i was thinking that its video is downsampled from the higher resolution but now realized that the pixel binning shows the opposite. the 7r3 downsamples from 5k and not 8k, as opposed to 6k compared to the 73, which means that it's only using about 60% of its effective resolution. it's disappointing to read that the a1 also doesn't downsample from 8k into its 4k but that's another story. thus the 73's video looks (20%) better and i don't think it's worth it to sacrifice the extra video quality and smaller image file sizes for a bit of extra crop capability in photos. i'm still interested in comparable iso performance in higher pixel sensors and moiré in sensors without olpf as these issues affect all cameras. both could be easily suppressed in post-editing as far as photography goes but in video it's most certainly a nightmare.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Apologies, missed that. Thank you for these in-depth practical reviews, I'm basing my upgrade decisions based mostly on your videos given that so many RUclipsrs give vague opinions or otherwise compare specifications instead of results. Much appreciated!
A7R III vs A7R IIIA The original A7R III has been discontinued and replaced by the A7R IIIA. The differences are minor, with the most noticeable thing to highlight being the extra resolution of the LCD monitor (2.36M vs 1.44M dots). An easy way to distinguish them is the absence of the Sony logo beneath the LCD monitor on the ‘A’ version.
this must be one of the best no bs camera reviews i've seen lately. thnx.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Love the channel. For me this is pretty much a no-brainer. The A7IV is the clear winner here, unless you do primarily still subjects. That 42meg sensor is great and add the pixel shift function really works well (again for still subjects). But if I had an A7R III, not sure I'd sell it for an A7IV.
You need to get more love in this channel. So much work, effort and time is put into each video... Hope you can keep the workflow consistent and push forward. Hope to be able to make quality content like you in the future!
Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated!
Good comparison. If you are shooting RAW stills, manually focsing, profiling the camera and manually white balancing the improved picture profiles on the IV become meaningless and the RIII still wins on image quality; delivering a 80+ megabyte file with more information than the 60+ megabyte file from the IV. Depending on viewing sizes this is quite significant. And even more significant if using the multishot function on the RIII. For video, general travel use and environmental portraits I would get the IV and for action the A9 or A1.
I learnt something from your post today: "Operation Customize > Different Set for Still/Mv". It really frustrates me that sometimes I forgot to reset the PP when shooting still photos. Now, I can let "video" have auto ISO, and still photo has a fixed ISO value. VERY VERY VERY useful indeed.
To comment on your autofocus at minute 12:32, I totally agree. My A7R III focuses on the nose tip, the ear tip, or the eyebrows instead of on the eye/eyes. With A7 IV, out of 70, it only missed 1.
However, both cameras complement my workflow as A7 IV is primarily on video and portrait, while A7R III is on general photos and works great with macro lenses.
Thanks for sharing your experience with these two cameras. Looks like you’re getting the best out of both!
Thanks for posting this series of videos. The A7IV ticks so many boxes. I wish they could have gotten the lossless frame rate a bit higher (I take a lot of wildlife photos), but other than that it seems like a perfect camera. It's interesting how Sony's colors have meandered from green to red and back to green over the years. I'm currently shooting Panasonic GH5 and Nikon D500 and it would be nice to only have to carry one body with me in the field. I'm guessing the A7R3 autofocus is outclassed by the D500? I rented the a74 with 200-600mm and it was very competent! I did not miss the d500 at all.
Yes the D500 is better than the A7R III, but not better than the A7 IV.
I just bought a Sony a7RiiiA. I understand they've made a few improvements. I don't shoot a lot of video. I can't remember the last time I did. I had a Sony a7iii which I sold recently and have been shooting with a Sony a7c. The a7c is a small camera that's great for travel but Sony has discontinued it and it is two years old. I'll keep it for travelling around town and as a backup. I should have the new one before I travel to the Baltics, Sweden, Finland, Poland and Germany.
I sold my a7RIII for the a7IV. Better all rounder, bird eye af is a game changer for me as well as full auto focus tracking with 200-600 + 1.4tc
I don't think I will change from a7riii to a7iv since I am only capture landscape, cityscape and non fast moving subject. 42mp is big win for me.
great review dude waiting for more
Best side by side review on the net as always.
Thank you!
danke für dies ausführliches Video👍
As a land- and cityscape tog with tripod and manual focus I see zero reasons to dig my RIII. Thanks, good work.
very informative comparison. As an A7RIII owner, I feel so excited about the differences between the two. Could not imagine what my next camera is gonna be like after I retired my A7RIII in 2027.
I had the Sony A7RIII which are a great Camera, now I have the Sony A7RIV and the A7RIVA which right now are only $3000 !!! I can very highly recommend the Sony A7RIVA, but be aware in the autumn there comes a Sony A7RV !
Hi, could you please do a video with a detailed comparison between the Sony A7RIII and the A7RV. Thank you
I already own a A7iv, which is normally fitted with my Sony 200 - 600. I wanted to upgrade my second camera, an A7Rii, which I use mainly for landscapses and macro, really just for the joystick and the battery type.
I wanted to part exchange the A7Rii, along with a Tamron 28 - 70 RXD version and an Olympus lens I no longer use. The A7iv is still £2400 in the UK, but at London Camera Exchange they currently (Mar 23) have a special offer of £1500 for the A7Riii, so it is a no brainer and as a bonus, the part exchange is going to easily going to leave me with enough to purchase a new pair of binoculars, as well as the camera. Roll on Friday.
Sounds like you found a very good deal! Congrats and enjoy the new camera ;-)
I am watching these kind for comparisons because I want to update my A7R2.
The only solution I have found is to wait until A7R5 price drop to not more than 3000 EUROS :)
Thank you for making this comparison! Sub’d!
Thanks for the sub!
Hope Sony just rease an updated 40mp+ camera with lastest AF...still using my 7yr old A7r2
Hmm I somehow doubt that will happen, unless they update the sensor for a future A7 V.
Thank you for the video comparisons you do, Mathieu. This one in particular was great timing for me. On the fence between these two models, but your insights helped. -Carole
Thank you Carole, glad it was helpful!
Excellent video. I'm looking to go FF from APS-C and these are on my radar. Is there a reason why you did not compare the A7IV to the A7RIV instead of the RIII? Would that not have been a better comparison or is there a meaningful reason that I am not aware of?
Hi Nigel, I compared it to the A7R IV as well. Video here:
ruclips.net/video/Och0iFaHgLo/видео.html
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Many thanks...I will check it out.
I think it's because the A7 IV and the A7r III are at a similar price point (+- 2500)
Hey Matthieu, great video once again. I saw your A7R4 video as well, and I have a question.
When the A7R4 is connected to a field monitor in VIDEO mode it loses autofocus function like face detection. (Many have spoken about this and given solutions ie Gerald Undone)
However, video is NOT my concern.
For still photography. Do you know if the A7R4 loses any autofocus functions while connected via Hdmi to a field monitor?
I haven’t tried this with the A7R IV specifically, but for my reviews I recorded the live view in photo mode of many Sony cameras using an Atomos Ninja V, and the AF was working fine (I used this to show how AF points or face/eye AF were behaving for example).
Superb comparison
Today at July 16. 2022 the Sony A7IV are $2500 and the Sony A7RIIIA are $2200, so it is a VERY easy choice for still Photographers, the Sony A7RIIIA are both cheaper and have more megapixels ! I had the Sony A7RIII which are a great Camera, now I have Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA which right now are only $3000 !!! So the best buys are either the Sony A7RIIA or the Sony A7RIVA for still Photographers ! Be aware that a new Sony A7RV will arrive in the autumn !
I'm reading your response. I'm about to buy either A7RIII or A7IV. I am mostly a still photographer, landscapes, nature, etc. but not so much wildlife. In your last sentence, did you mean to write "Sony A7RIIIA" instead of "Sony A7RIIA?"
@@caroledupre go with the Riii. The RiiiA only has a better screen and faster port. You can get a low shutter count Riii on eBay for $1500. I love mine and feel no need to upgrade whatsoever. I've tried the 7iv and Riv and it really doesn't make sense for me personally to upgrade
Also, on the a7riiiA they moved to a USB-C port instead of the mini-HDMI (Also, the a7riiiA firmware is 1.01 too)
USB and HDMI are two different things.
The ports haven’t changed: Micro USB, USB C and Micro HDMI are present on the original A7R III and the ‘A’ version.
On the ‘A’ model, various websites reported that the USB C port was ‘upgraded’ to a USB 3.2. However, in my understanding of the USB C specs madness, the speed remained the same (5Gbps).
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Best camera for faimly photography in 2023..amazing sharpnes excilent lowlight photos..best dyminc range
..plzzzz guide me. Which camera body or lense best for me..photos or video?
Here I am trying to decide if I really need to wait for the A7R V or if a used A7R III or A7R IV could be good enough, finding out that A7 IV might be even better? I currently own an A7 III and pretty much only doing stills.
Not sure when the A7R V will arrive. And it will probably be more expensive than these two. I guess it depends if you are in a hurry of changing camera, of if you're happy with the A7 III for now.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I ended up getting a used A7R III. I will keep using my A7 III, I just need a second body for backup and to spend less time switching lenses during paid jobs.
Thanks you, very informative especially for what I was looking for 👍
Glad it was helpful!
thx a lot
Great Review Mathieu!!! I would even say the best review in direct comparison!
Fun Fact - i sell the A7R IV to sidegrade to A7 IV because i´m not happy with the iso perfomance.
Last Month i bought the A7R IIIA, because i only use (35mm & 85mm GM)...
Thanks a lot for you´re great work!
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the two cameras. And nice pair of lenses too! 😉
I had the Sony A7RIII, now I have the Sony A7RIV and the Sony A7RIVA, I do not have ISO problems !
Very informative video Thank you. Please tell A7 iv have High-speed steel (hss) or not....
Nice detailed comparison...
Is still worth to get an used A7Riii with the sony 16-35mm f/2.8 (GM) both going together for 2k???
I’m trying to decide what’s going to be my first camera, and I want one hybrid camera that I could use for at least 5 years, and I will probably be using only this lens in the first 2 years so Idk if is a good choice.
(The shutter count of the camera is 21,000)
It really depends on what you are interested to do with your photography. The A7R III sensor is very good, even today and in 5 years, but the software, video, stabilisation and AF are definitely more outdated.
If you're interested in landscape, architecture, general travel with the 16-35mm, it will be a great combo, especially for photography.
I am looking for a new camera and I came across this very topic 2023 A7 R3 or A7 4, before that I wanted Fujifilm X-T5 but in comparison Fuji APS-C is too expensive for the price than Sony. I would be interested in which is right for me? My motives direction should be landscape, vehicle (technology), street photography. Both have are on sale A7R3 for 1770€ or A74 for 2049€ as body in addition I want lens from Sony 35 1.8mm. What do they think?
What do you mean by vehicle/technology? Taking pictures of parts of a vehicle?
Thank you.
You're welcome!
i'm currently deciding between 73 and r3 as i'm seeing very low and comparable prices on the used market ($1000-1200). the autofocusing looks a bit slower but obviously the r is a higher-tier model and makes more sense especially when at the same price, despite being a few months older with a few upgrades left out for the 73.
i am concerned about the weaker iso performance, due to the higher mp count seen mildly in the 74's mp increase. from what i've seen so far the iso difference doesn't seem significant. is the iso difference notable or tolerable?
i'm also concerned about moiré issues in the r3 due to lack of a low-pass (a-a) filter although it seems like the aliasing could be avoided and potentially taken care of when necessary. the 74 also seems to have dropped the anti-aliasing filter, i'm reading that it's not used for cameras with higher than the standard 24mp, as aliasing is more prominently introduced when the projected lens resolution is higher than that of the sensor. doesn't this mean the 74 is even more prone to aliasing than the r3? would the moiré on the r3 be an issue for general model, product and architectural shooting?
thanks!
You can see for yourself in the video, there are ISO and moiré tests.
For the aliasing, are you talking about stills or video?
Moiré can be visible when dealing with thin and very detailed texture, like textile. Could also appear on architecture shots depending on the specific building I guess. I rarely had problems with the R3 and moiré, and if not too invasive you can remove it in post.
i'm sorry for any confusion, i was sparse with my terminology, i used r3 as shorthand for sony 7r3, not to be misinterpreted for the recently released canon. i was thinking that its video is downsampled from the higher resolution but now realized that the pixel binning shows the opposite. the 7r3 downsamples from 5k and not 8k, as opposed to 6k compared to the 73, which means that it's only using about 60% of its effective resolution. it's disappointing to read that the a1 also doesn't downsample from 8k into its 4k but that's another story. thus the 73's video looks (20%) better and i don't think it's worth it to sacrifice the extra video quality and smaller image file sizes for a bit of extra crop capability in photos.
i'm still interested in comparable iso performance in higher pixel sensors and moiré in sensors without olpf as these issues affect all cameras. both could be easily suppressed in post-editing as far as photography goes but in video it's most certainly a nightmare.
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I heard that updating a7riii firmware to 3.0 gives you eye af in video; is this true?
No, it brings Eye AF for Animals (photos only).
It sucks that a7iv front focuses on eyelashes wide open. I'm gonna wait until Sony fix this problem before making a purchase.
I never had a problem with that on mine, even before the first firmware update.
in the real world is the Iso limitation a deal breaker on the A7R? or would it never be usable that high anyway?
I never find it to be a big limitation to be honest, and I would not hesitate to use it at 6400 or even 12800 ISO if needed.
Was this with the updated A7RIII firmware?
The firmware is mentioned at 1:40
It was the latest available at the time of publishing the video more than a year ago.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Apologies, missed that. Thank you for these in-depth practical reviews, I'm basing my upgrade decisions based mostly on your videos given that so many RUclipsrs give vague opinions or otherwise compare specifications instead of results. Much appreciated!
Well that's sucks with the A7iv you get amazing AF but then get kicked in the balls with the burst rates...
very throughout review
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I have the A7RIVA and bought the A7IV. Was very disappointed in it to be honest.
The A7iv you mean? Why are you disappointed, care to explain?
Disapointed about the A7IV or the A7RIVA ?
@@lewiss66 Disappointed in the A7iv. It's not a patch on the A7riva. Sure you have eye auto focus etc but I'd rather have the megapixels to crop.
Which is one is better A7 Riii or A7 RiiiA??
A7R III vs A7R IIIA
The original A7R III has been discontinued and replaced by the A7R IIIA. The differences are minor, with the most noticeable thing to highlight being the extra resolution of the LCD monitor (2.36M vs 1.44M dots). An easy way to distinguish them is the absence of the Sony logo beneath the LCD monitor on the ‘A’ version.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thank you but if i will buy ? Which one should buy?
If you buy new, you will only find the A7R IIIA. Second-hand, you may find both. But the differences are very small. Buy the one that costs less.
Thanks 😊 & one more thing
Is it possible to reduce shutter of a7 riii ?
What do you mean by reducing the shutter?