@@TomasRamoska or perhaps one buys new mirrorless tech to use with new glass not old dslr glass. If one has a collection of EF lenses of course it makes sense to adapt. But buying new into the system panasonic all the way, affordable 1.8’s that are better than the RF 1.8’s and the entire sigma DG DN collection that canon doesn’t have access to.
@Nathan Yan Some of the "old " DSLR lenses outperform the new Panasonic glass. Canon 24mm f1.4 mkii, Canon 35mm f1.4 mkii, Canon 85mm f1.4 IS, Canon 24-70mm f2.8 mkii etc. Also, you have dirty cheap Sigma art in EF mount
Me too. And it isn’t just because some canons in CLog3 (including R6II) turn some blues into purple/violet/lavender… I find the colour and exposure / dynamic range of the LUMIX full frame cameras are noticeable more pleasing than LUMIX MFT cameras, other than the GH6. The GH6 seems to be closer the S5, S5 II etc and in some ways more ‘cinematic’.
The S5II wins for me. Also, just to point out that the Panasonic has much better video assist tools including exposure monitoring tools that stay on the screen while recording. They also have an XLR unit which can be added to the hotshoe.
Great video! I just got the Panasonic S5ii but I think the Canon R6ii is also a great option to have as a hybrid camera. These 2 cameras are probably the most comparable when it comes to these specs.
Thank you for this detailed and well produced video. Your team did an amazing job in filming the comparison shots and AF demonstrations. I picked up my Canon R6 MKII yesterday and I am not disappointed. I came very close to grabbing the Panasonic! The features are close and better in certain aspects to the canon. You cannot beat the price point of the Panasonic either. What tilted me towards the R6MKII is I already have several EF & EF-S lenses. Now I could easily adapt those lenses onto the Panasonic but I have seen where the lenses can become laggy. Also it was an easier to find an RF to EF/EF-S adapter with an ND variable cartridge for the Canon. If you are just starting out and looking to go mirrorless, I would recommend the Panasonic S5II. If you’re already in the Canon system or looking to adapt older or even newer EF lenses, then the R6MKII is the way to go. Anyway, thanks again for Have a blessed and safe Christmas Holiday season
It seems that you have NR (noise reduction) turned off on the Canon, but ON on the Lumix. You can see that at ISO 1600 and above, while the Lumix has less visible noise, it is also less detailed.
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
S5II X is on the way. Love what Panasonic did here. Finally. Switched from the GH5 To the Blackmagics to red and now I’ll get back to Panny for the fast and mobile jobs. ❤
Very good comparison - in depth and covered all of the important features. The S5 seems to be the better value, and the IBIS seems excellent. Very surprised at the Canon's ISO performance!
@@TheSlantedLens the Lumix though seems to have a softer image compared to Canon. Could it be noise removal in the camera at the cost of reducing sharpness?
As a Nikon Z5 shooter, if I jumped to another brand now, it would be Sony or Panasonic for their large (affordable) lens selection. If Nikon’s next generation of bodies don’t hold up, I may need to make that decision..
Brother, I'm curious. I'm considering choosing the S5 or the Z5 for my first ff camera. How do you find the AF in the Z5 with the latest firmware? I'm mainly doing portraits and occasionally events, with commercial works too.
It is great to live in an era where technology is stretching the creative limits of its users. Both of these cameras are excellent efforts to advance the state of the art for their enthusiasts. One of the best points of the Lumix S5 II is the Sigma adapter that can mount Canon dSLR lenses to the Lumix body. It works reasonably well with the EOS EF lenses, so Canon users have an option to add a Lumix body to their stable and not risk much. The addition of PDAF to Lumix is HUGE. Hopefully, they will update their Micro 4/3 gear soon to include it there. m43 has many advantages over full frame when it comes to high end video. (Low light being a huge exception, of course, as full frame pixels suck four times the photons.)
Just saying, the S5 (even the mark I) has focus bracketing called "selective focus" which is the same thing with an extra feature where you can either select the plane of focus after the shot or even choose it to export it as a bracketed separate image right to the SD card from camera.
I am a Canon fanatic but I have my eye on the Lumix brand. I like their cameras. I bought a FZ80 bridge camera just for fun and I love it. Thanks for this video ❤❤
You can get more inexpensive Lenses for Panasonic and Sigma (but also more expensive ones from Leica). The Battery Management from the Canon is a great plus as are the uncorrected colors for portraits (they are warmer and less green than the Panasonic). But both cameras are well suited for photo and video. Canon some advantages for portrait in studio and daylight. Panasonic has some advantages with high ISO and video. You will need more Batteries for the Panasonic when you have day-long sessions. But you have to value it in combination with the lenses you need. There is no 85 1.2 or 50 1.2 for the Panasonic. There is no 35 1.2 for the Canon.
Great comparison! Only thing I question are the image quality results. Were the lenses equal? The canon looks to have a badass L lens while the Lumix almost seems to have a kit lens but im not sure.
The difference in sharpness may just be due to the better lens attached on the Canon (RF 85mm f1.2). Perhaps if you used Panasonic's own 1.2 or the Sigma 1.4 the sharpness test would likely be exactly even.
@@TheSlantedLens Your AF test did Not include Fast movements. It only included a model walking towards the camera. There are so many mode and scenarios that were not in the test.
With the S5 II, Panasonic addressed its key technical weakness - the reliability of continuous autofocus in video. In the US$1500-2500 range we now have unprecedented choices across brands and mounts (MFT, APSC and FF), amazing specifications and functionality for good value hybrid across Sony (A7IV, FX30), Canon (R6II, R7, R8), Lumix (S5II, S5IIX and GH6) and Fujifilm (XT5, XH2S). I expect Nikon will join that list once the Z9’s technology trickles down to the next round of full frame Nikon cameras. Similarly, lens choices are now excellent across the mounts, albeit with a few lens options being unique to certain mounts or brands. Many enthusiasts will probably have more than one mount to cater for size / weight preferences or other preferences. I expect in the future there will be more options in terms of camera size (eg R8 vs R6), form (rangefinder / FX3 style vs protruding EVF) and design (eg Fujifilm and Nikon retro models). What I’m looking forward to now in the next generation of cameras is more in-camera editing options. In this regard I like the S5II custom LUT option. I also hope that AI will play a constructive role in workflow beyond replacing skies with fake looking pink sunsets.
I have the canon r6 m2 and it’s amazing. AF stellar, love the toggle from video to photo. I have a lot of Hugh end canon lenses so I could understand how having the ability to use third party lenses could sway decisions.
I just bought the S5II (only £1999 with the 24-105mm f/4 lens!) last month and my daughter shoots with the R6II, so this was a very interesting video for me to watch.
Very good video comparison. Regarding the noise test. Panasonic looks like is applying noise reduction in camera to all the iso levels. I prefer the noise of the Canon out of the camera and then apply noise reduction in PS.
I love my s52, but I can’t open any raw files on my Mac .RW2. Any idea on how to get the raw files to load or be read by the computer?? Will this be a computer issue or camera issue. Mac OS Ventura 13.2.1 m1 chip.
Lightroom update with S5II support was released couple of days ago. You can also use the free Silkypix 8 image editor whose download link is in the S5II manual.
@@TheSlantedLens well then you would be the first. Many other creators who got the loaner admitted that it came with “strongly suggested talking points” which is common practice. I’m not trying to come at you. The video just seemed wildly biased. Especially that there was noise in the canon at 800 iso. I don’t even get noise at 800 in my m50mii. If you were instructed on possibly letting the panasonic win or given talking points or made to feel like the panasonic should win any head to head, for the sake of transparency, that should be said at some point.
On the previous comparison, it seemed like the S5 II slightly beat out the Sony A7 IV, but this one there seems to be more trade offs. A bit unsure which first camera I should get. One quick question, why does the size of the hdmi matter?
@@DrWNoLs and also only one SD card. It's a risk, I've already lost important shots this way with an expensive branded and fast San disk Extreme card. It's OK for a vacation, but a big risk for a wedding.
Hi! Is it just me or you start loosing a lot of detail and sharpness as you bump the ISO up on the S5ii? You can see the bottom right close up of the squares just going blurry, whilst the R6 just keeps the sharpness! I have an R6 i and I can shoot at 6400 ISO with pretty good results, better than those you just showed with the R6 ii, so I wonder if you should either test them (r6 i and ii) against each other or if you should repeat those tests. Anyway, what you saw as an advantage for the Panasonic in terms of ISO, I see as a deal breaker, no way I can loose that much detail when shooting higher ISO. Another test that I think you should do, and I’ve seen it here on your test, is an AF in low light test. All best
I got the S5ii and love it. I previously owned 3 Canon cameras, but had two of them fail in less than 3 years of ownership. In this case two out of three is very bad. The Lumix has a 3 extended year warranty, which no one seems to mention in their comparisons.
This is a trend Sony started. Noise reduction on RAW files. Images get softer with the ISO increase. Before back in the Canon and Nikon days you can compare RAW images because they come from the sensor without modifications. Not any more.
I am not sure about sharpness test when it was zoomed to talent's eye. I dont think that its a fair comparison to test normal prime of Panasonic to high-end prime of Canon and compare the results.
I have Canon M50 and I can't set custom white balance correctly as always is to yellow. I wonder how easy it is to set custom white balance in Panasonic!
It's not only about the camera itself but the system. The L-Mount is such flexible and has a huge amount of lenses of various manufacturarer to choose from (Panasonic, Sigma, Leica). I stick to my Lumix S1R and wait for the successor S1R II.
I’m so put off by Canon’s lack of a quality compact 50mm (f1.8 would be fine). How can they be six years into the system and not have such a basic lens!
I have recently bought an S5II and while I haven't had a lot of time to test it yet, what I have tested, I like it so far but I have to test it a lot more whenever the rain in my area finally stops long enough so I can do that which seems few and far between lately. I have a GH5 and had a GH6 and traded in the GH6 to get the S5II as I didn't like the softer, slightly noisy 4K video quality I was getting from the GH6 and the 5.9K 10-bit 4:2:0 on the S5II is sharper with much less noise. I do like the GH6 colors amore as they don't have the slight magenta shift the S5II colors have and look better, especially in skintones. With external recording from the S5II, you said it outputs 12-bit 5.9K, that is only with the paid RAW upgrade coming in May and according to Sean from Panasonic on the last Lumix Live stream, with the paid upgrade, it will output RAW to an Atomos Ninja V+ (not the original Ninja V) otherwise you are limited to 4K 10-bit 422 from the HDMI even when you have the internal resolution set to 5.8K, 5.9K or 6K and if you are set to 5.8K you will see the black bars on the 4K output due to it being 17:9 and in 6K you will see the 3:2 aspect on the 4K output which is a shame but that could be because the better video features are in the upcoming S5II X. I have not yet tried the Real Time LUT but I like the addition of it. I always shoot in V-Log for the maximum dynamic range and flexibility and while most of the time I want the unprocessed image to edit how I like, there are times I need a quick turn around so being able to bake a LUT into the video is super helpful. It is something I would have liked years ago when shooting V-Log L on my GH5 for the first time and getting to grips with LOG shooting and editing. I like the ergonomics of the S5II. I have slightly short fingers and the grip feels comfortable to me. I do wish it had at least a couple more customisable buttons like the GH6 had as I liked having the extra buttons on the GH6 I could set to whatever I liked for quick access to that feature. I usually like to have two buttons customised, one to turn on/off the monitor LUT and one to change the picture profile quickly.
Great test man. I was surprised to see how close they were in terms of AF. There is the Panasonic 50mm S Pro lens that more closely matches that Canon 1.2. I wonder if the results would have been different using that lens?
The higher sharpness on the Canon mostly boils down to superior glass, and to a lesser extent to a better JPEG engine. Canon does have an edge in producing cleaner and sharper JPEGs, but raw images tell another story. Really impressed by S5II raw files, and surprised how good they are compared to R6II. Downloaded raw samples of both S5II and R6II from imaging-resource and played with them in LRC. They look near identical in sharpness and noise all the way to ISO 12800, beyond which S5II seems to have a slight edge in noise.
So who are these cameras for? One clearly is a video-centric camera while the other is what? And you never stated which camera got the most check marks. However, I would like to point out that you didn't really push these cameras as far as their auto focus. But overall good video.
Whichever one is cheaper on Black Friday with lens is the one I’m going to buy. Currently you can get the Panasonic with a 24-60 for $1997 and the Canon R6 MK II with a 24-105 for $2299. So a $300 difference. But I’m holding out until Black Friday. Fingers crossed.
I don't know. When I look at the ISO test, the Canon is better for me (I'm an olympus user) The color palette is more grainy, but sharper. With the Lumix the photos look with less noise, but more blurred edges.
Great review! You really showcase their strengths which are many. The Panasonic behaves like a prize fighter that found its 2nd wind in later rounds and is fighting back to win. Awesome/ As always, keep up the good work and keep'em flying. 👽😁
Your graphics for the video framerates are incorrect- both cameras do 180fps at 1080p. Also, no mention of the 6K modes on the S5II, particularly the 3:2 mode? Also worth noting that the lens used on the Canon costs almost as much as the S5II and Lumix 50mm together 😄
This guy is called the Slanted man.... This stuff is always normal for him. He skips out, omits, slanted parts, slanted rigs, slanted criteria, slanted perspective,... look at the rig he used to test IBIS...with handles on the outer ends...if he had a gimpy slanted left hand that shook more than the right hand you will have a slanted outcome... This is normal for this guy.
Please tell me this is true 1080p 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF. 1080p with any fps higher than use DFD.
Nikon cameras have excellent DR and image quality, also noise control. They have excellent lenses that are arguably better now than RF system. They just need to fix their AF game to be competitive again. Hopefully Z7 iii would address some of these pain points.
@@sodiumsalt In my Opinion Nikon's big bulky and poorly designed lenses are boring and RF system is way superior to Nikon..Both Nikon and Canon have excellent Image Quality . Its all about choices .These days any brand is good.
Amazing review, except for the video specifications haha, but I understand that's not the focus. The S5II is a much, much more capable video camera than the R6 mkii
is it me or does the Lumix add a lot of noise reduction as ISO rises. Just look at the color checker on each camera and the Canon remains sharp, the Lumix is smearing.
Great video, thank you. You can't mention price without mentioning the much higher cost of RF lenses. Even just for F4 glass. I wish they were both 30mp. Canon also can't figure out where to put the ON/OFF button. If you get more than one Canon (like an R7,) it is going to be really ANNOYING. That noise test was interesting, I haven't seen that anywhere else. I'm comparing the S5II to my A7C in a few days! :)
@@TheSlantedLens My A7C and Z30 focused better in medium indoor lighting (around the house) than the S5II. High ISO's shifted green. It felt twice as large. I just need smaller and lighter, maybe remove video. All this focus on video/hybrid is working aginst what we were happy with 5 years ago. I just want to shoot some 1080p now and then. I often just mount an old smartphone (or Vanon elf point and shoot) to my hotshoe for video clips now and then. I get compliments on them because they're generally more stable than handheld. ;) The first camera I didn't use every custom button or menu items up! They really got the layout and options right. I need a few more MP's, so I'll be open to trying the next one out. I only tried the kit lens, and I'm completely lost when it comes to the L lenses. They seem expensive and heavy, even with the Sigma's. Nikon and Sony have set a high bar for lenses. I think they need to consider more help, descriptions, and labels in the menus. Realtime Lut limits you to 640ISO or higher which was confusing. Focusing boxes seemed distracting and it wasn't clear what it was doing. No ability to switch between faces that I could see. Flash warning gets in the way of shooting. Deleting an image took too many presses and buttons 4-5. Other things I liked: locking body cap, comfortable to hold, even my daughters preferred it in hand, top charging/record indicator, focus point in playback. Cheers.
I think the canon is verry good. He only have one option better than the lumix: 4k60 uncrop! So the S5II can be use standalone and it's perfect for reactivity, travel and budget!!!!
if we put some noise reduction on the canon footage then it might rival or be actually better than the panasonic since panasonic footage look less detailed than the canon. I will take the r6 mark II anyday. Really impressed by the s5 II ibis though.
I want to love the S5 II so bad.. but the stills just don't have that "clear and natural down to the last pixel" quality that Canon always has, for me. I can zoom in on a Canon image and it never appears artificially sharpened, and the fine lines of things just look great. For some reason Panasonic stills remind me of cell phone camera stills. I could tell in the ISO test that one or both cameras was applying some serious de-noising, and that's not something I'd ever want in a camera. Especially if it couldn't be turned off. The high ISO shots, instead of looking like film, looked like an AI denoised mess, with perfectly smooth plastic glossy skin.
Hmm, didn't even mention the 6k open gate which is HUGE. I'm thinking you are pretty biased. S5ii blows the R6 ii out of the water in video. And the stabilization is far superior in the lumix.
Внесу свои 5 копеек.. Забегая в перёд конечно панас, хотя я тоже загружен еf оптикой но как сказал автор в любом случае прийдётся использовать через переходник хоть на кэнон хоть на панасе.. Итак вот мои аргументы 1. У сони и канон есть свои подразделения видеокамер и хороший гибрид они выпускать не станут, у кэнона сейчас вообще агрессивная политика стала абсолютно убрали теплоотвод с процессора что б бороться с видиками и электроника работает в экстримальных условиях и страдаю от этого не только видиографы но и фотографы, гарантированный перегрев влияет на надёжность и кэнон уже не тот! Несколько раз в год ошибка еr70 и файл не сохраняется! Блогер просто огорчится что нужно писать заново а свадебщик как объяснит почему нет регистрации с ЗАГС??) У кого 4 раза в год у кого чаще но обязательно будет потеря файла!! И я считаю кэнон видиографов победил) У панасоника нет видео подразделения и там всё надёжно и по уму и металический корпус и даже вентилятор! На всякий случай!! Потому что включается редко из за качественного теплоотвода на корпус. В канон r5c например поставили вентилятор но сделали нерабочий автофокус на видео корпус оставтли пластиковым и вентилятор отключить нельзя жужжит даже на морозе когда это не нужно, акб хватает чуть ли не на пол часа в видео просаживает очень сильно даже в режиме ожидания в общем странная балалайка) а всё потому что есть видео подразделение.. 2. Цвет. Скинтон как у кэнона, но цвет чище и ярче что ли сочнее. Асфальт без зелёно жёлтого как на кэнон и вообще на кэнон есть при тех же условиях съёмки какой то желтяк при современных лампах а на панасонике чистая нейтральная но сочная картинка получается почему то.. 3. Оптика. У кэнон закрытый байонет и сторонней оптики не будет, а то что они делают сейчас??) Если это не премиум то просто насмешка 24-50?!) Видели с него равы??) И вообще тёмные и дешёвые, а премиум да на хорошем уровне но цена? и с низким ресурсом .. без метала и вообще я где то читал что при проф использовании на 5 лет как расходники. надёжные эльки остались на еf .. в кэнон настроились на заработок и вечные объективы им не нужны.. В панасонике всё очень качественно и и можно ставить стороннюю оптику или супер надёжную лейку у них за 200тр есть 24-70 остальная лейка конечно дорого.. В кэноне из их песочницы не выбраться если rf оптика.. 5. Звук. В панасонике очень качественный тракт реализован это просто как рав среди звука) короче перегрузы можно убирать.. 6. Автофокус. В панасонике очень крутые разработки контрастного автофокуса. Да пока процессоры его не вытягивают но со временем это будет хорошая альтернатива дуалпикселу кэнона, нуу а пока поставили фазовые датчики, которые кстати портят картинку. И со временем от них будут отказываться.. некоторые движения в этом отношении делает и кэнон вот в r6 2 меньше фазовых чем в r6 пытаются ии заменить но говорят что за глаз хуже цепляется r6 марк 2 чам r6 первый .. хороший гибридный будет у панаса, нуу это так на перспективу а пока всего 700 датчиков панасу хватает что бы вылечить автофокус оставив далеко позади никон и фуджи и выйдя в тройку лидеров вот она сила гибридного контрастного автофокуса) 7. Крутые видео функции такие как анаморфотный режим или запись на ssd в версии х или прошивкой на ii или тот же качественный звук или полностью отключить шумодав например. конкуренты этого делать не станут. Недостатки?.. Нет сжатого рава?.. нуу рав же для того что бы получить лучший результат? А сжатый ТАКОЙ ЖЕ результат не даёт.. Получить стаб в объективе еf и матричный не получиться они не согласованны и прийдётся что то отключить но в некоторых случаях возможно будкт в плюс.. Автофокус в видео уступант кэнону но всё же лучше чем дуалпиксель первого поколения и оч достойный и работать уже можно. Если провалить видео в сильный недосвет прям в черноту то вытягивается хуже и с какой то зеленью. Цветные шумы на высоких исо но лайтрум с таким борется легко сам не проверчл просто знаю что цветные давятся легко.. Детализация сохраняется вроде. Допишите ещё кто знает недостатки панаса оч интересно. Извиняюсь что ошибок мног но думаю прочесть можно.. пальцы толстые а кнопочки маленькие)
@@TheSlantedLensis Lumix S5ii raw already supported or all pictures were Jpeg's? It looks like there is a heavy noise reduction on Lumix in low light test.
I mean you really can’t go wrong with any of these cameras, for me it comes down to looks and feel of the camera which i like Lumix design and feel more than the Canon.
Thx for the good review against these two cameras JP :) However, so many abilities plus capabilities NOT SAID about that the S5ll does... the Canon does not do or have! Panasonic didn't just catch up, they were already ahead (except of Phase detect)! Now, Panasonic has pulled WAY OUT IN FRONT as a LEADER in the industry with it!! The S5ll (also the S5llx) is BAR NONE by far the BEST TRUE HYBRED CAMERA under 2,200 US. It's going to be a AWESOME year for PANASONIC. I've ordered mine. Can't wait to see what's next!
@@shaolin95 I don't need too! Just READ the specs on this Camera compared against SONY, Canon, or Nikon for a true Hybrid Camera under $ 2,500 US and YOU SHOW ME who's #1? Oh, by the way... that's in our universe Sir :) Then there's the S5llx with even further features, still under @ 2200 US that allows much, much more!!
During the image quality test the Panasonic made the Canon look like a Sony because of how yellow it is. It was also interesting to see how much better the low light was… But we gotta give some credit as Canon did better at the very high iso and it’s noise texture isn’t awful to look at compared to all those color blotches the Panasonic was showing!
I just don't understand, although R6 ii has a higher frame rate than S5 II, I still see that S5 II films more smoothly than R6 ii. To me, Panasonic wins!
Pana S5ii wins on so many points, It has over 30 important features the Canon doesn't have, focus shift, the Horizon level during recording, writing to SSD, cheaper lenses, Canon lenses are 3 times more expensive, Canon will NOT let you use 3rd party lenses.. It sounds anti competitive (which is illegal in Europe).. Thank you for Panasonic generosity and innovation.
The S5 ii can shoot raw externally. This guy is not videographer so he is not specialist in term of video. The r6 ii can shoot raw externally but only in 10 bits…the s5 ii shoot raw in 12 bits S5 ii is way better in term of video…
I am pretty sure that there will be a paid upgrade ($200) that will allow the S5 II to shoot ProRes RAW to an external recorder (atomos, I am guessing). I don't think there has been an official announcement whether the S5 II will (or won't) be able to output Black Magic RAW (BRAW), which despite it's name, isn't actually RAW. Fun fact: According to matt Frazer of Panasonic Business Development in the USA, RAW is RAW. So in theory, if you have a RAW capture device that can recod via HDMI, then it should be able to capture the RAW out from the S5 II (when the update is released). Only issue is that the only recorders (that I know of) are Atomos that capture in ProRes RAW. So if a different hardware manufacturer came out with a different RAW recording device (either using ProRes RAW codec or a different RAW codec), then that would work, too.
The S5II wins for me, especially with support for third party lenses thanks to the the L mount!
Great point about the third party lenses!
Seriously? The second-hand market is flooded with quality cheap EF glass. Good luck finding something in the L mount.
@@TomasRamoska or perhaps one buys new mirrorless tech to use with new glass not old dslr glass. If one has a collection of EF lenses of course it makes sense to adapt. But buying new into the system panasonic all the way, affordable 1.8’s that are better than the RF 1.8’s and the entire sigma DG DN collection that canon doesn’t have access to.
@Nathan Yan Some of the "old " DSLR lenses outperform the new Panasonic glass. Canon 24mm f1.4 mkii, Canon 35mm f1.4 mkii, Canon 85mm f1.4 IS, Canon 24-70mm f2.8 mkii etc. Also, you have dirty cheap Sigma art in EF mount
@@TomasRamoska you can use EF glass with the S5II too
I’m a Canon user, but I start to like Panasonic color more and more .
Yeah, that Panasonic color is so nice!
Me too. And it isn’t just because some canons in CLog3 (including R6II) turn some blues into purple/violet/lavender…
I find the colour and exposure / dynamic range of the LUMIX full frame cameras are noticeable more pleasing than LUMIX MFT cameras, other than the GH6. The GH6 seems to be closer the S5, S5 II etc and in some ways more ‘cinematic’.
The S5II wins for me. Also, just to point out that the Panasonic has much better video assist tools including exposure monitoring tools that stay on the screen while recording. They also have an XLR unit which can be added to the hotshoe.
Excellent points. Canon can also use the Tascam.
I ALWAYS felt that Canon has better colors. I own both cameras.
@@iTheEncounter how do you feel about the two of them 8 months later?
I still think that Canon has better ( more appealing ) colors @@Healthy_Toki
Canon better overall.
Canon better for pictures. Panasonic better for video.
Both good for both pictures and video.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Great video! I just got the Panasonic S5ii but I think the Canon R6ii is also a great option to have as a hybrid camera. These 2 cameras are probably the most comparable when it comes to these specs.
Great to hear. I hope you are happy with your purchase!
How do you like photos taken by Panasonic? I'm thinking also buying it for car and food photography. Tnx in forward
Any updates?
R6II shoudnt be just a "great option" considering it costs 1000$ more than S5ii lol
Thank you for this detailed and well produced video. Your team did an amazing job in filming the comparison shots and AF demonstrations.
I picked up my Canon R6 MKII yesterday and I am not disappointed. I came very close to grabbing the Panasonic! The features are close and better in certain aspects to the canon. You cannot beat the price point of the Panasonic either.
What tilted me towards the R6MKII is I already have several EF & EF-S lenses. Now I could easily adapt those lenses onto the Panasonic but I have seen where the lenses can become laggy. Also it was an easier to find an RF to EF/EF-S adapter with an ND variable cartridge for the Canon.
If you are just starting out and looking to go mirrorless, I would recommend the Panasonic S5II. If you’re already in the Canon system or looking to adapt older or even newer EF lenses, then the R6MKII is the way to go.
Anyway, thanks again for
Have a blessed and safe Christmas Holiday season
It seems that you have NR (noise reduction) turned off on the Canon, but ON on the Lumix. You can see that at ISO 1600 and above, while the Lumix has less visible noise, it is also less detailed.
We didn't have noise reduction turned on on either camera. Thanks for watching!
@@TheSlantedLens Ok, good to know. Thanks.
@@TheSlantedLens If that is true then the S5II is no way better than the R6 II far better detail on the canon
Photons to Photos, if you check the chart comparing R6 II to S5 II, there is noise reduction happening above ISO 16,000 on the S5 II files.
Bingo! The S5 II seems to have really bad on sensor noise reduction making the images really mushy!
Excellent review! Did you notice moire patterns on the s5ii due to the lack of AA filter to the sensor?And if so is it going to be a problem on professional work?
S5II X is on the way. Love what Panasonic did here. Finally. Switched from the GH5 To the Blackmagics to red and now I’ll get back to Panny for the fast and mobile jobs. ❤
Sounds like a good plan. That S5 II is an incredible camera!
I feel the Panasonic has better colours for landscape photography and filming. Is there a cheaper option but similar to it?
There is not a cheaper option in the full frame sensor category. Canon is coming out with the R8. That one will be less.
Very good comparison - in depth and covered all of the important features.
The S5 seems to be the better value, and the IBIS seems excellent.
Very surprised at the Canon's ISO performance!
Yes, we were surprised at how much noise there was with the Canon.
True, S5 II is price/value winner.
@@TheSlantedLens common, videos specs r6 II wins? 6k internal in s5II.
@@TheSlantedLens the Lumix though seems to have a softer image compared to Canon. Could it be noise removal in the camera at the cost of reducing sharpness?
I think olso that it is the case, the noise reduction will not have been enabled with Canon.@@ivangrifi
As a Nikon Z5 shooter, if I jumped to another brand now, it would be Sony or Panasonic for their large (affordable) lens selection. If Nikon’s next generation of bodies don’t hold up, I may need to make that decision..
It always is about the lenses in the end. Once you buy into a system it is hard to change.
Sony is way more expensive (like get ready to spend 10k) with less video features. I am leaning towards S5ii or X, will see
Brother, I'm curious. I'm considering choosing the S5 or the Z5 for my first ff camera. How do you find the AF in the Z5 with the latest firmware? I'm mainly doing portraits and occasionally events, with commercial works too.
It is great to live in an era where technology is stretching the creative limits of its users. Both of these cameras are excellent efforts to advance the state of the art for their enthusiasts. One of the best points of the Lumix S5 II is the Sigma adapter that can mount Canon dSLR lenses to the Lumix body. It works reasonably well with the EOS EF lenses, so Canon users have an option to add a Lumix body to their stable and not risk much.
The addition of PDAF to Lumix is HUGE. Hopefully, they will update their Micro 4/3 gear soon to include it there. m43 has many advantages over full frame when it comes to high end video. (Low light being a huge exception, of course, as full frame pixels suck four times the photons.)
Great points. Thanks for sharing your insight!
Just saying, the S5 (even the mark I) has focus bracketing called "selective focus" which is the same thing with an extra feature where you can either select the plane of focus after the shot or even choose it to export it as a bracketed separate image right to the SD card from camera.
Yes, which is the same process as focus bracketing.
I am a Canon fanatic but I have my eye on the Lumix brand. I like their cameras. I bought a FZ80 bridge camera just for fun and I love it. Thanks for this video ❤❤
You can get more inexpensive Lenses for Panasonic and Sigma (but also more expensive ones from Leica). The Battery Management from the Canon is a great plus as are the uncorrected colors for portraits (they are warmer and less green than the Panasonic). But both cameras are well suited for photo and video. Canon some advantages for portrait in studio and daylight. Panasonic has some advantages with high ISO and video. You will need more Batteries for the Panasonic when you have day-long sessions. But you have to value it in combination with the lenses you need. There is no 85 1.2 or 50 1.2 for the Panasonic. There is no 35 1.2 for the Canon.
Great comparison! Only thing I question are the image quality results. Were the lenses equal? The canon looks to have a badass L lens while the Lumix almost seems to have a kit lens but im not sure.
Both are native lenses. Each performed quite well.
The difference in sharpness may just be due to the better lens attached on the Canon (RF 85mm f1.2). Perhaps if you used Panasonic's own 1.2 or the Sigma 1.4 the sharpness test would likely be exactly even.
The newer Panasonic lens works best with the Phase Detect auto focus.
@@TheSlantedLens which exact lens is that? I don´t know much about lenses
@@ydgmovements Lumix 85mm f1.8
the most important factor for such an expensive camera is the autofocus , and Panasonic lags behind in fast movements
If you look at the tests we did that was not our experience.
@@TheSlantedLens Your AF test did Not include Fast movements. It only included a model walking towards the camera. There are so many mode and scenarios that were not in the test.
Dude, the AF is just amazing and have a couple of firmware updates that gives better performance
The comments are right, these reviews are super helpful! I love the image quality tests and comparisons. 🎉
I wished you would have done your classic Dynamic Range test, too.
Good to hear you like that. We will look at including that in the future.
the s5ii is looking good in this test and the s5iix with a kit lens will be the same as the R62 body only. I need to hold out😁
Sounds like a good plan! Thanks for your comment!
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With the S5 II, Panasonic addressed its key technical weakness - the reliability of continuous autofocus in video.
In the US$1500-2500 range we now have unprecedented choices across brands and mounts (MFT, APSC and FF), amazing specifications and functionality for good value hybrid across Sony (A7IV, FX30), Canon (R6II, R7, R8), Lumix (S5II, S5IIX and GH6) and Fujifilm (XT5, XH2S). I expect Nikon will join that list once the Z9’s technology trickles down to the next round of full frame Nikon cameras.
Similarly, lens choices are now excellent across the mounts, albeit with a few lens options being unique to certain mounts or brands.
Many enthusiasts will probably have more than one mount to cater for size / weight preferences or other preferences.
I expect in the future there will be more options in terms of camera size (eg R8 vs R6), form (rangefinder / FX3 style vs protruding EVF) and design (eg Fujifilm and Nikon retro models).
What I’m looking forward to now in the next generation of cameras is more in-camera editing options. In this regard I like the S5II custom LUT option. I also hope that AI will play a constructive role in workflow beyond replacing skies with fake looking pink sunsets.
Lot of great things to think about. Thanks for sharing!
Did you use standard picture profile on both cameras when comparing colour ?
great comparison ... the Panasonic is not just 500 cheaper but 1000s of dollar cheaper if you build a whole kit ..
Very true. The lens prices make a big difference!
Would you recommend Panasonic S5II for real estate video and photography? :)
I have the canon r6 m2 and it’s amazing. AF stellar, love the toggle from video to photo. I have a lot of Hugh end canon lenses so I could understand how having the ability to use third party lenses could sway decisions.
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
for the same price, do you recommend the r6 ii with 24-105 or s5ii with 24-105? I'm not interested in videos
Just curious, does the S5 have BSI cmos sensor? Some say it does, some say not. Panasonic does not confirm. I don't know if or why it's a hush hush.
I don't think it's hush hush just not confirmed.
I just bought the S5II (only £1999 with the 24-105mm f/4 lens!) last month and my daughter shoots with the R6II, so this was a very interesting video for me to watch.
You will have to do your own comparison!
5:00 What camera was used to shoot the narrative part of the video?
We used the Canon C200 camera.
THANK YOU for getting right to the point! I subscribed because you provide great straightforward information without wasting our time!
Thank you. I appreciate your comment!
Very good video comparison. Regarding the noise test. Panasonic looks like is applying noise reduction in camera to all the iso levels. I prefer the noise of the Canon out of the camera and then apply noise reduction in PS.
We were very careful to make sure there was no noise reduction applied to the raw images.
I love my s52, but I can’t open any raw files on my Mac .RW2. Any idea on how to get the raw files to load or be read by the computer?? Will this be a computer issue or camera issue. Mac OS Ventura 13.2.1 m1 chip.
Lightroom update with S5II support was released couple of days ago. You can also use the free Silkypix 8 image editor whose download link is in the S5II manual.
@@sansin6250 thank you so much. I’m looking in the manual now.
Yes, we used the Silkypix from Panasonic, but we prefer to use Adobe Raw which is hopefully out soon.
Thanks for the awesome comparison. Guess it would be S5 II for me. The color looks so much better.
Hey, on what camera you recorded the A Roll in this video?
C200
@@FoodTechLife how do you know?
@@AexoeroV read the description of the video
@@FoodTechLife yeah but multiple cameras are listed there!
You should give a point to S5SII for open gate anamorphic shooter.
Awesome video, thanks for posting.
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching!
So my question. Did either or both manufacturer give you their camera to use for this? And we’re there any “suggestions” that came with it?
We did get a loaner Lumix. Had to rent the Canon. No suggestions from either company.
@@TheSlantedLens well then you would be the first. Many other creators who got the loaner admitted that it came with “strongly suggested talking points” which is common practice.
I’m not trying to come at you. The video just seemed wildly biased. Especially that there was noise in the canon at 800 iso. I don’t even get noise at 800 in my m50mii. If you were instructed on possibly letting the panasonic win or given talking points or made to feel like the panasonic should win any head to head, for the sake of transparency, that should be said at some point.
On the previous comparison, it seemed like the S5 II slightly beat out the Sony A7 IV, but this one there seems to be more trade offs. A bit unsure which first camera I should get. One quick question, why does the size of the hdmi matter?
Because mini-HDMIs are breaking much more often.
The Canon R8 already now seems like a more interesting contender. 1,500 dollars, and only real downside is missing IBIS.
@@DrWNoLs and also only one SD card. It's a risk, I've already lost important shots this way with an expensive branded and fast San disk Extreme card. It's OK for a vacation, but a big risk for a wedding.
Because those small ports have a tendency to come loose and you have to buy a special cable. It is not as secure.
Hi!
Is it just me or you start loosing a lot of detail and sharpness as you bump the ISO up on the S5ii? You can see the bottom right close up of the squares just going blurry, whilst the R6 just keeps the sharpness!
I have an R6 i and I can shoot at 6400 ISO with pretty good results, better than those you just showed with the R6 ii, so I wonder if you should either test them (r6 i and ii) against each other or if you should repeat those tests.
Anyway, what you saw as an advantage for the Panasonic in terms of ISO, I see as a deal breaker, no way I can loose that much detail when shooting higher ISO.
Another test that I think you should do, and I’ve seen it here on your test, is an AF in low light test.
All best
Great points. We found out after the fact that there is a setting on the Panasonic that should be applied. Thanks for your comment.
@@TheSlantedLens regarding noise reduction?
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comment!
@@TheSlantedLens Helped alot with my decision
how does the canon win in video? Lumix has 6k open gate, internal full anamorphic support and a ton of codecs.
We love the open gate on the Panasonic but also love slow motion rates. It was a tough call.
Good comparison! But...ISO test. Have you noticed the vertical lines on the unmagnified portion of the R6 image at high sensitivities?
Yes, that is a problem. The S5 II performed better.
I got the S5ii and love it. I previously owned 3 Canon cameras, but had two of them fail in less than 3 years of ownership. In this case two out of three is very bad. The Lumix has a 3 extended year warranty, which no one seems to mention in their comparisons.
Great point! Glad you are happy with the S5 II!
Hi, lightroom doesnt want to open my s5ii raw photos. Do you know why?
Lightroom didn't support it, but just a couple of days ago, they released an update that supports it. Update Lightroom, and you're done!
It may open them now. Adobe was not supporting it but it will soon.
The canon was noisier at high ISO, but it did look sharper to my eye at those high ISOs.
Very true. Thanks for sharing your observation!
This is a trend Sony started. Noise reduction on RAW files. Images get softer with the ISO increase. Before back in the Canon and Nikon days you can compare RAW images because they come from the sensor without modifications.
Not any more.
@TomasRamos👍 It's a shame. Noise reduction in post is preferable to it being done in camera IMHO.
Yes, the Panasonic image is really mushy.
I am not sure about sharpness test when it was zoomed to talent's eye. I dont think that its a fair comparison to test normal prime of Panasonic to high-end prime of Canon and compare the results.
I have Canon M50 and I can't set custom white balance correctly as always is to yellow. I wonder how easy it is to set custom white balance in Panasonic!
We have been shooting with it for a while and it is very easy.
It's not only about the camera itself but the system. The L-Mount is such flexible and has a huge amount of lenses of various manufacturarer to choose from (Panasonic, Sigma, Leica). I stick to my Lumix S1R and wait for the successor S1R II.
I’m so put off by Canon’s lack of a quality compact 50mm (f1.8 would be fine). How can they be six years into the system and not have such a basic lens!
I have recently bought an S5II and while I haven't had a lot of time to test it yet, what I have tested, I like it so far but I have to test it a lot more whenever the rain in my area finally stops long enough so I can do that which seems few and far between lately. I have a GH5 and had a GH6 and traded in the GH6 to get the S5II as I didn't like the softer, slightly noisy 4K video quality I was getting from the GH6 and the 5.9K 10-bit 4:2:0 on the S5II is sharper with much less noise. I do like the GH6 colors amore as they don't have the slight magenta shift the S5II colors have and look better, especially in skintones.
With external recording from the S5II, you said it outputs 12-bit 5.9K, that is only with the paid RAW upgrade coming in May and according to Sean from Panasonic on the last Lumix Live stream, with the paid upgrade, it will output RAW to an Atomos Ninja V+ (not the original Ninja V) otherwise you are limited to 4K 10-bit 422 from the HDMI even when you have the internal resolution set to 5.8K, 5.9K or 6K and if you are set to 5.8K you will see the black bars on the 4K output due to it being 17:9 and in 6K you will see the 3:2 aspect on the 4K output which is a shame but that could be because the better video features are in the upcoming S5II X.
I have not yet tried the Real Time LUT but I like the addition of it. I always shoot in V-Log for the maximum dynamic range and flexibility and while most of the time I want the unprocessed image to edit how I like, there are times I need a quick turn around so being able to bake a LUT into the video is super helpful. It is something I would have liked years ago when shooting V-Log L on my GH5 for the first time and getting to grips with LOG shooting and editing.
I like the ergonomics of the S5II. I have slightly short fingers and the grip feels comfortable to me. I do wish it had at least a couple more customisable buttons like the GH6 had as I liked having the extra buttons on the GH6 I could set to whatever I liked for quick access to that feature. I usually like to have two buttons customised, one to turn on/off the monitor LUT and one to change the picture profile quickly.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with the Panasonic cameras!
In my opinion, Panasonic lacks at least one point to have 6K 10bit internally which makes it the queen of its category for those who shoot video.
We were really pleased with the video tests.
Panasonic s5iix have 6k raw output and 6k raw ssd recording option.
cmon, for 2000 dollars you want it to be as Arri Mini.
S5 II has 5.9K 10 bit internal (I own one).
Great test man. I was surprised to see how close they were in terms of AF. There is the Panasonic 50mm S Pro lens that more closely matches that Canon 1.2. I wonder if the results would have been different using that lens?
We did try that lens out. And it is a great lens but needs a firmware update to be a good lens for the Phase detect autofocus.
@@TheSlantedLens do you know it it got that firmware update yet?
You never did atofocus tracking. How does the frame rate work with, say, birds in flight.
That is a good question. We did not test that. Perhaps another viewer can address that!
The higher sharpness on the Canon mostly boils down to superior glass, and to a lesser extent to a better JPEG engine.
Canon does have an edge in producing cleaner and sharper JPEGs, but raw images tell another story.
Really impressed by S5II raw files, and surprised how good they are compared to R6II. Downloaded raw samples of both S5II and R6II from imaging-resource and played with them in LRC. They look near identical in sharpness and noise all the way to ISO 12800, beyond which S5II seems to have a slight edge in noise.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
So who are these cameras for? One clearly is a video-centric camera while the other is what? And you never stated which camera got the most check marks. However, I would like to point out that you didn't really push these cameras as far as their auto focus. But overall good video.
Thanks for you comment and thanks for watching!
Whichever one is cheaper on Black Friday with lens is the one I’m going to buy. Currently you can get the Panasonic with a 24-60 for $1997 and the Canon R6 MK II with a 24-105 for $2299. So a $300 difference. But I’m holding out until Black Friday. Fingers crossed.
Hope you get a great deal!
Those RF lenses will never go on sale. Canon has no entry level lenses. That’s the only reason I can’t do canon anymore
I don't know. When I look at the ISO test, the Canon is better for me (I'm an olympus user) The color palette is more grainy, but sharper. With the Lumix the photos look with less noise, but more blurred edges.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the cameras!
Great review! You really showcase their strengths which are many. The Panasonic behaves like a prize fighter that found its 2nd wind in later rounds and is fighting back to win. Awesome/
As always, keep up the good work and keep'em flying. 👽😁
Thank you, I appreciate that! Keep on clickin!
Very helpful comparison, thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your comment!
Your graphics for the video framerates are incorrect- both cameras do 180fps at 1080p. Also, no mention of the 6K modes on the S5II, particularly the 3:2 mode?
Also worth noting that the lens used on the Canon costs almost as much as the S5II and Lumix 50mm together 😄
Excellent points. Thanks for your comment!
Don't forget that all the high speed video modes on the S5 II are cropped and/or crippled for AF....
This guy is called the Slanted man.... This stuff is always normal for him. He skips out, omits, slanted parts, slanted rigs, slanted criteria, slanted perspective,... look at the rig he used to test IBIS...with handles on the outer ends...if he had a gimpy slanted left hand that shook more than the right hand you will have a slanted outcome... This is normal for this guy.
Please tell me this is true 1080p 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF. 1080p with any fps higher than use DFD.
Great question and a lot to explain in a comment. Thanks for watching!
Wow, that model is super cute. Those eyes and smile are money makers. She's in the right business.
Hope you learned some good stuff. Thanks for watching!
Either are better than Nikon. At least they have proper autofocus and tracking.
There are both new cameras. The Nikon Z6 II is due for an upgrade soon
Nikon cameras have excellent DR and image quality, also noise control. They have excellent lenses that are arguably better now than RF system. They just need to fix their AF game to be competitive again. Hopefully Z7 iii would address some of these pain points.
All good points. Nikon cameras are excellent. And agreed, they just need to catch up on the autofocus.
@@sodiumsalt In my Opinion Nikon's big bulky and poorly designed lenses are boring and RF system is way superior to Nikon..Both Nikon and Canon have excellent Image Quality . Its all about choices .These days any brand is good.
It looks like panasonic had noise reduction and sharpening enabled. The aliasing in the sharpness test of the Panasonic looks horrible.
Easy listening, kept my attention in s natural way.
Great to hear. Thanks for the feedback!
I like the s5 image much more
It is a very pretty image. Thanks for your comment!
Thanks for the review! I am only missing comparing two features (as people I know often use them) - astrophotography and timelapse.
Those would be fun to work on. Thanks for the idea!
Amazing review, except for the video specifications haha, but I understand that's not the focus. The S5II is a much, much more capable video camera than the R6 mkii
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
is it me or does the Lumix add a lot of noise reduction as ISO rises. Just look at the color checker on each camera and the Canon remains sharp, the Lumix is smearing.
It did seem like there may have been an auto noise reduction.
S52 best, cheapest plus most versions overall
Can you please do a S52x comparison as well?
Yes, we will as soon as we get our hands on one.
its a shame panasonic crop image in 4k, and not giood as canon in low light
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Just got my S5II, now to sell my S5 🙂
That is very exciting! Let us know how you like it!
Hmmm, panasonic kit lens vs. a canon higher end lens. That kinda voids the comparison in my book.
Fair point. But the Panasonic performed very well!!!
Lenses?
Lenses are always a consideration. We used 50mm lenses for both. Canon F/1.2 and Lumix F/1.8.
The Colors on the S5ii have a lot more contrast than the Canon r6 mark ii. I am torn between purchasing one
Thanks for your reviewing 😘 if you could review both MF control function, much better.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Great video, thank you. You can't mention price without mentioning the much higher cost of RF lenses. Even just for F4 glass. I wish they were both 30mp. Canon also can't figure out where to put the ON/OFF button. If you get more than one Canon (like an R7,) it is going to be really ANNOYING. That noise test was interesting, I haven't seen that anywhere else. I'm comparing the S5II to my A7C in a few days! :)
Let us know what you find out in your comparison!
@@TheSlantedLens My A7C and Z30 focused better in medium indoor lighting (around the house) than the S5II. High ISO's shifted green. It felt twice as large. I just need smaller and lighter, maybe remove video. All this focus on video/hybrid is working aginst what we were happy with 5 years ago. I just want to shoot some 1080p now and then. I often just mount an old smartphone (or Vanon elf point and shoot) to my hotshoe for video clips now and then. I get compliments on them because they're generally more stable than handheld. ;)
The first camera I didn't use every custom button or menu items up! They really got the layout and options right. I need a few more MP's, so I'll be open to trying the next one out. I only tried the kit lens, and I'm completely lost when it comes to the L lenses. They seem expensive and heavy, even with the Sigma's. Nikon and Sony have set a high bar for lenses.
I think they need to consider more help, descriptions, and labels in the menus. Realtime Lut limits you to 640ISO or higher which was confusing. Focusing boxes seemed distracting and it wasn't clear what it was doing. No ability to switch between faces that I could see. Flash warning gets in the way of shooting. Deleting an image took too many presses and buttons 4-5.
Other things I liked: locking body cap, comfortable to hold, even my daughters preferred it in hand, top charging/record indicator, focus point in playback.
Cheers.
I think the canon is verry good. He only have one option better than the lumix: 4k60 uncrop!
So the S5II can be use standalone and it's perfect for reactivity, travel and budget!!!!
Great points. Thanks for your comment!
At the beginning of the video. You do realise that you have the fujifilm X-H2 spinning around and not the Panasonic S5 II?
Lol i was surprised
Wow, thanks for catching that. That is what happens when you are working on both comparisons at the same time.
@@TheSlantedLens Said you need eyes testing
if we put some noise reduction on the canon footage then it might rival or be actually better than the panasonic since panasonic footage look less detailed than the canon. I will take the r6 mark II anyday. Really impressed by the s5 II ibis though.
That is a good observation. We all have our preferred way to work. Thanks for your comment!
How much r6 ii csn record in 4k 60?
There are no recording limits on the R6 II.
@@TheSlantedLens so can it do 150 minutes in a raw in 4k 60 if i put in 2tb sfrexpress type b card?
I want to love the S5 II so bad.. but the stills just don't have that "clear and natural down to the last pixel" quality that Canon always has, for me.
I can zoom in on a Canon image and it never appears artificially sharpened, and the fine lines of things just look great.
For some reason Panasonic stills remind me of cell phone camera stills.
I could tell in the ISO test that one or both cameras was applying some serious de-noising, and that's not something I'd ever want in a camera. Especially if it couldn't be turned off.
The high ISO shots, instead of looking like film, looked like an AI denoised mess, with perfectly smooth plastic glossy skin.
Thanks for sharing your observations and thanks for watching!
I think there's something fishy about the panasonic high iso results, there is some noise reduction going on in there....
You would think so, but we didn't have noise reduction on.
There is some noise reduction within the raw file, as was the case with some sony, you can't remove it entirely.
Hmm, didn't even mention the 6k open gate which is HUGE. I'm thinking you are pretty biased. S5ii blows the R6 ii out of the water in video. And the stabilization is far superior in the lumix.
Good points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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Забегая в перёд конечно панас, хотя я тоже загружен еf оптикой но как сказал автор в любом случае прийдётся использовать через переходник хоть на кэнон хоть на панасе.. Итак вот мои аргументы 1. У сони и канон есть свои подразделения видеокамер и хороший гибрид они выпускать не станут, у кэнона сейчас вообще агрессивная политика стала абсолютно убрали теплоотвод с процессора что б бороться с видиками и электроника работает в экстримальных условиях и страдаю от этого не только видиографы но и фотографы, гарантированный перегрев влияет на надёжность и кэнон уже не тот! Несколько раз в год ошибка еr70 и файл не сохраняется! Блогер просто огорчится что нужно писать заново а свадебщик как объяснит почему нет регистрации с ЗАГС??) У кого 4 раза в год у кого чаще но обязательно будет потеря файла!! И я считаю кэнон видиографов победил) У панасоника нет видео подразделения и там всё надёжно и по уму и металический корпус и даже вентилятор! На всякий случай!! Потому что включается редко из за качественного теплоотвода на корпус. В канон r5c например поставили вентилятор но сделали нерабочий автофокус на видео корпус оставтли пластиковым и вентилятор отключить нельзя жужжит даже на морозе когда это не нужно, акб хватает чуть ли не на пол часа в видео просаживает очень сильно даже в режиме ожидания в общем странная балалайка) а всё потому что есть видео подразделение.. 2. Цвет. Скинтон как у кэнона, но цвет чище и ярче что ли сочнее. Асфальт без зелёно жёлтого как на кэнон и вообще на кэнон есть при тех же условиях съёмки какой то желтяк при современных лампах а на панасонике чистая нейтральная но сочная картинка получается почему то.. 3. Оптика. У кэнон закрытый байонет и сторонней оптики не будет, а то что они делают сейчас??) Если это не премиум то просто насмешка 24-50?!) Видели с него равы??) И вообще тёмные и дешёвые, а премиум да на хорошем уровне но цена? и с низким ресурсом .. без метала и вообще я где то читал что при проф использовании на 5 лет как расходники. надёжные эльки остались на еf .. в кэнон настроились на заработок и вечные объективы им не нужны.. В панасонике всё очень качественно и и можно ставить стороннюю оптику или супер надёжную лейку у них за 200тр есть 24-70 остальная лейка конечно дорого.. В кэноне из их песочницы не выбраться если rf оптика.. 5. Звук. В панасонике очень качественный тракт реализован это просто как рав среди звука) короче перегрузы можно убирать.. 6. Автофокус. В панасонике очень крутые разработки контрастного автофокуса. Да пока процессоры его не вытягивают но со временем это будет хорошая альтернатива дуалпикселу кэнона, нуу а пока поставили фазовые датчики, которые кстати портят картинку. И со временем от них будут отказываться.. некоторые движения в этом отношении делает и кэнон вот в r6 2 меньше фазовых чем в r6 пытаются ии заменить но говорят что за глаз хуже цепляется r6 марк 2 чам r6 первый .. хороший гибридный будет у панаса, нуу это так на перспективу а пока всего 700 датчиков панасу хватает что бы вылечить автофокус оставив далеко позади никон и фуджи и выйдя в тройку лидеров вот она сила гибридного контрастного автофокуса) 7. Крутые видео функции такие как анаморфотный режим или запись на ssd в версии х или прошивкой на ii или тот же качественный звук или полностью отключить шумодав например. конкуренты этого делать не станут. Недостатки?.. Нет сжатого рава?.. нуу рав же для того что бы получить лучший результат? А сжатый ТАКОЙ ЖЕ результат не даёт.. Получить стаб в объективе еf и матричный не получиться они не согласованны и прийдётся что то отключить но в некоторых случаях возможно будкт в плюс.. Автофокус в видео уступант кэнону но всё же лучше чем дуалпиксель первого поколения и оч достойный и работать уже можно. Если провалить видео в сильный недосвет прям в черноту то вытягивается хуже и с какой то зеленью. Цветные шумы на высоких исо но лайтрум с таким борется легко сам не проверчл просто знаю что цветные давятся легко.. Детализация сохраняется вроде. Допишите ещё кто знает недостатки панаса оч интересно. Извиняюсь что ошибок мног но думаю прочесть можно.. пальцы толстые а кнопочки маленькие)
Comparing Jpeg's to me doesn't really matter because you can always tweak those settings.
We try to use raw images as much as possible.
@@TheSlantedLensis Lumix S5ii raw already supported or all pictures were Jpeg's? It looks like there is a heavy noise reduction on Lumix in low light test.
I mean you really can’t go wrong with any of these cameras, for me it comes down to looks and feel of the camera which i like Lumix design and feel more than the Canon.
Great point. Thanks for sharing your choice!
I think it depends on videographer. For instance, I hate that orange Canon skin tone or the way Canon render green and blue.
Great review, I 4:44
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Thx for the good review against these two cameras JP :) However, so many abilities plus capabilities NOT SAID about that the S5ll does... the Canon does not do or have! Panasonic didn't just catch up, they were already ahead (except of Phase detect)! Now, Panasonic has pulled WAY OUT IN FRONT as a LEADER in the industry with it!! The S5ll (also the S5llx) is BAR NONE by far the BEST TRUE HYBRED CAMERA under 2,200 US. It's going to be a AWESOME year for PANASONIC. I've ordered mine. Can't wait to see what's next!
Glad to hear it. Let us know how you like your new purchase!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 leader??? Please tell us more about that alternate universe you came from where Panasonic is the leader... fascinating!
@@shaolin95 I don't need too! Just READ the specs on this Camera compared against SONY, Canon, or Nikon for a true Hybrid Camera under $ 2,500 US and YOU SHOW ME who's #1? Oh, by the way... that's in our universe Sir :) Then there's the S5llx with even further features, still under @ 2200 US that allows much, much more!!
During the image quality test the Panasonic made the Canon look like a Sony because of how yellow it is. It was also interesting to see how much better the low light was… But we gotta give some credit as Canon did better at the very high iso and it’s noise texture isn’t awful to look at compared to all those color blotches the Panasonic was showing!
Panasonic clearly uses noise reduction on raw files. Images get softer with ISO increase.
@@TomasRamoska That’s the opposite of RAW…
That is true. The Canon did not break down as far as color in the high ISO settings. Yet Panasonic looked much better up until that point.
You need an eye doctor if you think that Panasonic beats the Canon 🤣🤣🤣
@@shaolin95 You need a calibrated monitor if you don’t see yellow skintones on the Canon
Remember, the R6 II has L glass on it and is therefore way more expensive that the S5 II camera setup.
For crying out loud, finally someone showing how the screen articulation works.
S5 ii ftw. Just picked one up for $1449 new. That is a steal. Colors, iso, video features, sound Lumix won easily.
Great to hear. Enjoy your new purchase!
Nice but the lens in 6ii seems to be toooo better not giving equal weight
I just don't understand, although R6 ii has a higher frame rate than S5 II, I still see that S5 II films more smoothly than R6 ii. To me, Panasonic wins!
Thanks for sharing your preference!
I expected more video capablilty from the S5 ii. Like 4k60 no crop and all that.
Yeah it would be nice if it didn't crop.
Pana S5ii wins on so many points, It has over 30 important features the Canon doesn't have, focus shift, the Horizon level during recording, writing to SSD, cheaper lenses, Canon lenses are 3 times more expensive, Canon will NOT let you use 3rd party lenses.. It sounds anti competitive (which is illegal in Europe).. Thank you for Panasonic generosity and innovation.
Canon doesnt want sony and L alliance to make money out of R system hahaha poor Sony and L alliance
@@mbismbismb you don't make sense.
Great points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Get the adapter then you can put any third party lens on with EF mount . didn't you know
@@wellwhatthen10101 canon haters wont know… cause their brains are coated with dirts
I thought the S5 ii was going to do raw 😢
The S5 ii can shoot raw externally. This guy is not videographer so he is not specialist in term of video.
The r6 ii can shoot raw externally but only in 10 bits…the s5 ii shoot raw in 12 bits
S5 ii is way better in term of video…
@@peterra2532 I hope it gets braw 😇
Yes, shooting raw is a big deal for some. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
If you want to do any type of external recording, better to wait for S5IIX
I am pretty sure that there will be a paid upgrade ($200) that will allow the S5 II to shoot ProRes RAW to an external recorder (atomos, I am guessing). I don't think there has been an official announcement whether the S5 II will (or won't) be able to output Black Magic RAW (BRAW), which despite it's name, isn't actually RAW. Fun fact: According to matt Frazer of Panasonic Business Development in the USA, RAW is RAW. So in theory, if you have a RAW capture device that can recod via HDMI, then it should be able to capture the RAW out from the S5 II (when the update is released). Only issue is that the only recorders (that I know of) are Atomos that capture in ProRes RAW. So if a different hardware manufacturer came out with a different RAW recording device (either using ProRes RAW codec or a different RAW codec), then that would work, too.