Lumix S5II & S5II X: Long Term Review
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Deep dive review of the Lumix S5II and tests of the S5II X
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Please never stop talking about the shutter close feature when off. ALL cameras need this!
No I hate it. Turned off on my cameras.
@@ginoy8885 only few people hate it,the feature is literally so helpful when changing lens outdoor , companies definitely going to do it in all cameras in the future 🤷♂️
I know a justification for not having it has been that the shutter is more delicate than the sensor, but it’s not like we use shutter close to not put a body cap on. it’s going to have something over it most of the time. it just needs to help keep dust off the sensor for the seconds it isn’t covered up by a lens of a body cap
It's a very cool idea and feature until you're forced to deal with a malfunction, considering it's just one more mechanical thing that can go wrong and lead to expensive repair. Much better for me to just handle my equipment with extreme care.
Then there's my ZV-E1 with only electronic shutter smh
The 6K no tracking while recording externally/monitoring is now fixed with the new firmware update so that's nice. Another great thing about Lumix, they're super good with firmware updates. They also added Blackmagic RAW which works flawlessly, gives you almost an extra stop of dynamic range because of the highlight recovery feature plus WB/ISO control works as it should which it doesn't on many other systems. Also, you need to confirm the AF tracking otherwise it will jump to your hands or other people and it won't find you when you walk out of frame and come back again. No one never actually confirms the tracking,? Amazing to see how many people actually misses this, it greatly improves the AF on the original S-series as well. When you do actually confirm the tracking by hitting the touch screen you get arrows pointing in towards the subject to let you know you've actually locked on to the subject and confirmed to the AF system that you indeed want it to track that specific object and not something else like your hands or another person.
Are you speaking about BRAW in 5ii or 5iiX? It really strange tactic, s5 and s5iiX have external BRAW, meanwhile 5ii don't. So in result 5iiX + Assist12G are too expensive together.
@@kiyashko86 Yes, BRAW in the S5II and S5IIX is excellent. In the S5 however it's pretty bad as it has lots of baked in NR which def isn't something you want in a RAW format. Not strange, it's what they've always done, in the S1 and the GH5 for example you needed to pay for the upgrade to get V-Log for example. Pretty common thing, if you don't want that then you'll have to pay for the slightly more expensive model which has it out of the box. Depending on where you're located it's around $200 for the RAW upgrade in the S5II.
@@skrotfiske Sad. I was hoping to get 5s+VA5HDR. Is there any samples of backed NR or difference?
@@kiyashko86 yeah, it's a shame but it's fixed with the S5II and the S5IIX. Samples between the new and the old S5? None that i have seen, i've only done my own and seen some samples and discussions in Lumix specific facebook groups.
@@skrotfiskeThe GH5 has 10-bit 4:2:2 without any paid upgrade - I use this as my default :-) VLog does cost extra though
Best review I’ve seen yet. I’m pretty technical and there’s still something relaxing about you summing up your take away rather than going full geek. I like how you said “ you know who you are” when it comes to people who need the fancy codecs
sweet coverage! absolutely insane value camera for creators. i love mine, it's only limitations i tell people to consider now are:
- no OLPF (be ready for moire like you see on the couch at 3:40)
- rolling shutter performance is pretty bad but is combated by the great IBIS
- the 4k 60 crops is a real pain and probably it's only major downside
- autofocus is good but not great
I know there is no OLPF on the S5II but any chance they added to the S5IIX since its meant to be more video centric?
Great and honest review. I got my Lumix 2ii and agree with all pros and cons.
I am using the LUMIX Sync app on my IPad to monitor myself with wifi.
The only con is you need to connect to a camera WiFi.
Other option that I use is : LUMIX Webcam Software (Beta) paired with OBS studio.
This one works great!
Thank your work!
I believe Gerald mentioned in his review for the S5 IIx that the autofocus issue where human tracking wasn't working when using 6k modes with a monitor on the S5II was either fixed on the S5 IIX or was just another included feature with that camera. At this point we'll just have to see if the S5 II gets it with a future firmware update. He also reported that some of the autofocus issues with slow motion were improved with the S5 IIX as well, at least in 1080p.
Was really surprised to hear about this about the S5 IIX (on Gerald's channel as well) but on the same day I found out that S5 II announced a much higher MSRP in my country (something like $600+ more)😭 so I kinda lost hope for the S5 IIX and the Panny system in the general.
I hope something like the future Sony a7c II or Canon R replacement comes to close to a good value like the S5 II is. Sony cameras are actually decently priced here.
They fixed it. The software update fixed it and added AF that works well. I use my atmos, & when I shoot in 6k open gate, I can use AF with no issues.
@@Haveyoueverbeenswallowedthey fixed it on the sii?
Great review!
As someone who hasn't used Panasonic cameras before, I found S5 II very intuitive and easy to shoot with. Very good camera, especially for the price.
The footage looks absolutely beautiful! I guess that’s one of the most important aspects. I imagine that the S53 will be the one I get. Great video❤
When is the next release? Any idea?
I wanna throw a point up on the board for the R6 II. It is the only camera in this price range that doesn't crop on 4K60 and shooting IPB is just fine/perfect for anyone either breaking into pro/creator work or a serious hobbyist who doesn't want to fill their drives up fast with ALL-I and larger uncompressed codecs.
As a commercial/doc editor first who shoots a little bit and does photo gigs on the side, this was the godsend buy for me (who also has EF lenses, a BM6K to pair and a bunch of LPE6 batteries kicking around). And with the rock solid autofocus, t's the perfect "just get the shot" camera for my use case.
That being said, if the S5 II X somehow managed to remove that crop and their new autofocus came out blazing out of the box, I might've reconsidered, but I also like how the R6 II just keeps me simple with as much image quality as I need for the web.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk on Tyler's video.
60p no crop on r6 mark ii is a huge plus but can it film open gate to get vertical content for insta and tie Tok? does it have shutter angle ? also its 8bit color with the r6 mark ii unless filming in clog3?
Got the s5ii and loving it. Going to Istanbul myself for a few months this winter and also hitting the Alps this summer. Can't wait to get out and shoot more with it
Excellent! I switched from Fuji APSC to the Panasonic S5ii and am so happy with my decision. Couldn’t agree more with your statement that if it looks right on the LCD that’s how it will end up looking in raw.
What camera were you using from fuji??
@@AqworldsAuildere The Fuji XT4
Great review, seriously considering this camera. You mentioned Prores being slightly darker, this is actually because for some reason Lumix cameras encode Prores as video levels instead of full range data levels. It's easy to change in Resolve but some NLE don't let you. Once you change this setting it looks the same as the other codecs.
Why not make a video about your experience about F-Log, S-Log, V-Log and S-log in the mirrorless camera.
That’s something I would watch!
Good review. Thanks for doing a long-term review since those are - to me - much more valuable. I think the issue with dust is that it is much easier to damage a shutter when the lens is detached than it is to damage the sensor. I will probably get the IIX because I would LIKE to have the option to stream live events, and possibly use all-i if I amgoing to have to do alot of chroma keying, where apparently all-i does make it easier to have a clean key.
I can’t stress enough how important open gate shooting is to me. Getting to maximize the sensor just makes sense. Other brands really need to follow suit here
Coming from a Sigma fp, I’m actually pretty excited about having a lens ecosystem that is limited yet technically proficient. With the new firmware updates this thing punches above its weight class and you did a great job highlighting the features that were most important for those of us considering other cameras in this price range. Thanks for the great review!
I'm so excited for the future of Lumix products! Crossing my fingers for a proper box / cinema camera.
Great review! Glad a quality my creator like you is enjoying this camera. Plan to upgrade from my S1 this year, Lord willing.
I have watched this video multiple times ... I never thought Iwould ever consider a switch from Canon to Lumix ... but here we are ... a smaller ecosystem but one built around video
Regarding sensor dust... A good mechanical will clean around spark plugs with compressed air BEFORE removing to keep crud out of the engine. I do the same. I blow dust off the camera before changing lenses. Rocket blower is the best investment I ever made.
Your color grading is immaculate. So satisfying to look at.
very helpful. thanks for taking the time to share your experiences.
also your color grades are straight up gorgeous.
Thanks for the great rewiew. I am a Panny fanboy but admit they are not perfect. The S5II and IIx are, in my opinion, the best bang for the buck cameras out there.
I work with the S1H as a B or C cam alongside Arri Alexa mini and Mini LF quite a bit purely because V-Log and its colours match way better than Sony and Canon. Plus Anamorphic options are truly great,.
Awesome review, appreciate it! That autofocus was my biggest question. Love the studio look too 🔥
What I got from this video is.. C70 looks hella good.
xD
I have been shooting video for 17 years now, and ONLY with manual focus. I want to get a full frame camera now and this one looks great for my needs. As for automatic focus, the only time I would be using it is in place of racking focus during a take, in most cases. Being able to touch the screen and have the lens focus to that spot is 100% all I need, and this camera does it just fine. Seventeen years without autofocus, and I've done well. Rarely have I ever wished to have autofocus, but there's a few circumstances when it would be nice. Also, the stabilization in this looks perfect for my needs as well. I've been using a Glidecam knock-off to stabilize my footage most of the time. Looks like I can do most work being hand-held with the stabilization in this camera. This camera would eliminate the need for a gimble and a focus puller system.
yo tyler, your grade and lighting of the talking head is just straight 🔥🔥🔥
Only thing missing is external time code support. GH7, GH6, and S1H can take it in the flash sync port.
For filmmaking would you recommend the Lumix SII, the FX30 or the EOS R6?
Excellent review Tyler! New subscriber 😊 I’m trying hard to refrain from saying “I told you so” to all my Sony/Canon autofocus zombie mates now they see all those other features Lumix has, as you point out. Like you say, the IBIS is so underrated for sheer useability, and the VLog profile for fuss free setup and easy beautiful results. I’m looking forward to the successor to the S1H because the current one doesn’t support PAL 50Hz in Open Gate, which means I’m wary of using it for pro projects where I live in Australia, a PAL country. Also the OLPF on the S1H removes any chance of moire from the get go. Also I’d point out the other 3rd party L mount manufacturers now like TTArtisans and Sirui for their anamorphics, to name a couple! Exciting times in creator world!
You are so right about Sony and open gate, I shoot anamorphic and it is silly to have their competitors use their whole sensor
I just sold my Sony A7iii and now looking to get S5IIx ! your video was very helpful
Had great results from the Sigma MC11 EF to E for Sonys and recently got a Panasonic S5 so the first accessory I bought was the MC21 and again not disappointed. Sigma 45mm 2.8 was the second thing I bought and I have the 17mm f4 in my sights.
Solid review. Thanks for not putting cheesy LUTs all over the footage like a lot of RUclipsrs do. The neutral look makes it so much easier to judge the camera. One thing that grabbed my attention, what up with that crazy moiré on the couch at 03:41? Is there any way to mitigate that with in camera settings?
As someone who has has owned s1h, s5, and other Panasonics like Varicam, and now shoots a lot of canon raw on the r3, in my experience one of the caveats of these cams is just how they hold color and information in more extreme environments. In normal shooting environments they are fantastic, but when I would use them for concerts and things with heavy saturation and intensities, I found the internal codecs this cam offers to not quite hold up, especially if shooting in the 4:2:0 it forces on higher frame rates. Weird artifacts and loss of detail in heavily saturated areas mainly. There’s also videos of banding people have posted even in 10-bit. So yea shooting canon raw lite obviously uses a lot of data, and the clog2 is slightly less impressive on the dynamic range side, but to be able to preserve all the color info is huge to me, and helps me r3 hang better with my larger more expensive cinema cams. That being said, the value of these cameras is certainly unmatched for what they offer at their price point
Varicam plays in a different league, better color filters on sensor et.., still looks better than anything Panasonic released since then.
@@frankbregulla564 oh I agree. Varicam was a great one. Was talking more about the 4:2:0 on these small cameras.
Weeell, I'm selling my R6 this summer and surely going for a S5II lol. I just buy it two months ago, but video limitations are really annoying me. Sure, taking photos with it is a beautiful and seamless experience, and 4k 60p is awesome, if I can keep my mental health while shooting it. I was really reluctant to leave Canon, but if that Sigma adapter works as well as Tyler put it, adapting my EF glass shouldn't be a problem. Hopping to doesn't lose too much money reselling my R6.
Really nice review! I wish it came out sooner xd
I have a S5 and Sigma MC21, and the autofocus varies wildly across EF lenses. Some Sigma lenses are slow but reasonable, like the 18-35 and 24-105. Older Canon lenses like the 70-200 f4 II are very slow in AF and the IBIS doesn't work. The original 35mm f1.4 consistently misses AF. I am very interested in how much better the S5 II works with EF lenses.
@@Plummky Thank you, I will check that out.
tried the s5ii and i love it, colorscience is shockingly great
The focus is great now with the new firmware updates!
7:26 I had a similar issue but if you use Face/Eye instead of Human Detect, it will lock the face and ignore foreground objects. I had the problem but in reverse, objects I was holding to the camera weren't being focused on.
You can set the Autofocus to „Face/Eye“ in the AF Menu. That should do the trick
I talked to Panasonic about this and unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. It should though!
I've been forced into Canon because of work - I personally use GH5/GH5s and I have to say that Lumix has way better colour science then everyone else. On par if not better than Blackmagic. It's the only camera series that I would say is approaching the Arri level of colour science. People forget but Panasonic have a close relationship with Leica and they've worked exhaustively on their colour science and lenses.
I have used the first version of the S5 for over 3 years and never use the auto-focus for my filming requirements. Maybe people are lazy, maybe I am old-skool, but I prefer manual focus. I look at many so called professional videos that are being made by experienced videographers and are charging top dollar to clients to make these video's, and I see so often the reliance on auto-focus has made the quality of productions worse. I picked the S5 over the other options due to its crisp output and the excellent 3-level stabilisation. People should learn how to use their equipment properly.
I am not lazy :p
Amazing! Thank You! Congrats for quality and professionality!
Thanks for the summary, it would be great if you could talk about how bad / frequently you run into the kind of moire you're getting on the sofa here @3:41
Wow saw so many YT Videos about Gear. That was super impressive! I almost never comment, but this time.. truly 100%
I really want to see an extensive test of common sigma L mount lenses focus speed n af tracking performance vs Panasonic lenses. Like Sigma 16-28, 20Art 24Art 35Art 50art 100-400. How usable are they? Is there a difference in IBIS performance compared to Panasonic?
Excellent perspective. Enjoy hearing the view of someone who isn't a Lumix diehard. I shoot on a GH6 and was really tempted by the S5II but the "pro features" just aren't quite what I'd like. Hoping the S1HII (or whatever) fixes a few thing & brings it up a level.
I still don’t understand how a fan cooled body wouldn’t allow for 4K 60 no crop. Seems odd.
can't process that many pixels that many times in one second, plus you have to leave processing power for autofocus etc. OR the sensor is not readable fast enough which would create the same problem.
Great Video! It was extremely helpful when selecting my next camera.
Nice, I'm totally getting a Sony!
Thank you for this excellent review! In terms of quality and video features, which camera would you choose between the Lumix S5 IIX and the Fuji X-H2S?
Great camera, i will buy X switching from SONY A7Riii !( already having S5M2, but your evaluation for X and Black design hit my heart !)
Thanks for this review. Very nicely done.
Tyler, finished this video a few moments ago. Glad u hit Panasonic up with the serious Auto Focus issues. Giving them concrete examples--which the public can well see-might force them to get back to the drawing table & iron those problems out. Sony's AFC stands supreme right now, however regarding overheating issues Sony seems to have taken the ostrich-head-in-the sand approach. What all of these camera companies need to remember, the consumer-the photographer, the videographer-will decide their fate. We can and/will simply refuse to spend our hard earned dollars for products which ignore real world needs and demands. The votes remain in our hands. Time will soon tell which companies listen and pay attention to serious reviewers like you. Keep it up! 😎😎
Whats the best Lumix Lens for vlogging? 😌
Maybe the 20-60mm, or the 16-35mm
@@stalman okay then i will begin with the kit lens, thanks a lot
Thank you for this great long term review. There are so much about these cameras that we can never know until we live with it for some time. I've been very happy with my Sony kit, but have been looking at the Lumix line because of open gate. However, my use case is exactly what you ended up talking about @14:26. That's unfortunate. I really really really want Sony to implement open gate soon.
Love mine. It shares well with my Leica SL!
The Panasonic 24-70 pro s 2.8 lens is all you would need it’s one of the best 24-70’s ever made . near equal to the Leica 24-70 if not better cause it’s lighter
Adapting to Sony works a lot now! AF in general has improved
This camera is 4k60p crop short of being the perfect camera for me at this price point.
The shots of you speaking in your office you mentioned you’re using the c70, can I ask what lens you used as well?? Love the look. Great video! 💯👌🏼
Hey Tyler, excellent video!
I'd like to add one small thing though... To use ProRes with the V-Log profile, you need to first convert the footage from Full to Legal Range to fix the levels difference (that's why saturation and contrast/black level aren't the same as the other codecs). Same with Atomos recorders. A lot of people seem to think it's because ProRes is a higher quality codec that the image has more contrast/pop, but this isn't the case. Other codecs do have proper levels, while ProRes isn't interpreted correctly... which a bit of a bummer that this issue hasn't been fixed over the years...
so prores does not have more contrast and pop ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals Not at all… it’s just a better codec with higher bitrate
I didn't love the 20-60 then I fell in love with it. I have a 24-70 sigma that picks up dust because I just love the extra 4mm and weight of it.
What beautiful pictures! And nice review. Thank you.
At 3:40 there is some heavy moire on the sofa, is this common in all shooting modes?
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exactly, this is such a dealbreaker that no-one talks about. Being a "cheap" hybrid they sacrificed video aliasing for photo sharpness, which is understandable, but its a huge issue with this camera, way worse than the issues with other brands he mentiones. The S1H II will have the low pass filter, so that will be the camera to get.
Tyler i found a Panasonic S1H for 1,700 UK pounds used. With its current up to date firmware updates it has the same autofocus as the Panasonic S5 Mark 1 and Panasonic GH6
I think you're right. Their next camera will be killer
Yeah it's always the next camera! Meanwhile if you know the limitations of the current ones you can work around them easily. But you need experience with your camera to do that successfully.
I’ve been really stuck between getting the FX30 (maybe fx3), S5IIX, A6700 or S1H.
Like all of these cameras are overwhelming good but I genuinely want a camera that won’t fail me and make it last 10 years of pumping out nothing but quality. I want to get into cinematography and edit Log and just create my own form of cinema, but I don’t want to buy a camera that’ll make me feel like I didn’t buy the right one. I want to get the Lumix S5IIX for the 6k open gate but some of the cons make it feel little underwhelming especially when some people would prefer the S1H which from the research I’ve done- doesn’t meet those expectations.
I thought I've heard Gerald Undone and a couple others say that the S5IIX DOES have human/eye detect in the 6K modes even though the S5II does not. Is this not your experience?
I would actually put Nikon's Auto Focus 2nd before the Canon. Yes Nikon is surprising that good. I have the Z9 and Nikon is constantly improving with firmware updates.
Very thoughtful and concise. Thank you.
Thanks for the great review. I recently sold off all my canon gear and am looking into getting a full frame hybrid system to complement my X-Pro2 which I use for stills only (obviously). Was going to get the A74, but now I’m thinking the LUMIX S5iiX might be the better option.
I love having the shutter close but come on, what dust is breaking sensors? Shutter curtains are very fragile and it being down absolutely increases chances it gets knocked or snagged. It takes a lot to scratch and damage a sensor. They’re not as fragile as people make out. That aside, like everything, we should have the option to decide so I would rather have it than not.
I wonder if the dust issue if due to static electricity, maybe cannon sensors are grounded through black magic lol.
Thank the lord, someone talking about Auto focus
I love this channel. Why not add time markers on your videos ? that'll be a plus.
Lumix S1H should be 45Mpx to record 8K to compete with Nikon Z8, Z9 and Canon R5
As straight photography cameras go they're on par with any other brand sporting a Sony sensor. One thing to note for the Fuji people watching, once Lumix pull out a new camera, forget about getting new features via firmware updates for your current machine. They can't be bothered.
Good info. Thanks. But what about the skin tones? It can’t beat Canon right?
But... We love breathing on lenses: it's the signature of any classic movie
The S5 II and S5 II X doesn't have an optical low pass filter, so moire and aliasing should be a big problem. Have you noticed this?
Lmk if you find more feedback on this subject
That out of focus scene with the buildings, it's focusing on the bike at the lower right corner, the "front" object, I guess. The algorithm needs to be tweeked, can't give equal weights to the center and corner.
Great video! I have a rather different question. What glasses are you wearing at 2:00?😅 I really like them😃
Help a septuagenarian please.
Please, help me do this:
How to set the type of focus area; spot, center or wide.
How to adjust the size of the focusing area and how to adjust the PIP size.
How to choose focusing type 4. In the magnified screen one can switch between FULL and PIP. There are two different views, one that shows info and one that doesn't, the switch is the rear control, how is it done?
Is the rear wheel, not the rear control programable?
What is the default function for #1 Fn button?
Cannot find it anywhere in the manual or in the net. Scoured all social networks. It's driving me crazy. This is a totally different concept. I'm sure it's somewhere in the manual but the index doesn't mention anything about it. Please tell me how you did it.
You seemes to have nailed not only exposure but the overall "Look" of your images
Your dynamic range seems 'satifying' using this comparativly low-priced Panasonic.
I am about to purchase the S52x, So
* What range IRE to do you mostly keep your exposure on the Waveform? is 80 the max? (is there a trick to using waveform?)
* Do you adjust youre S-Curves on the panasonic to get better DR? is there a particular boost/cut that you'd recomend?
* How can you acretian the ideal S-curve levels on such a small screen?
*You managed such good colours here, so how does the S5ii compare with the C200 ~C300?
I think Panasonic deseves the accolades for being less "Trendy", yet hqas so mucg to give ! 🙂
I cannot confirm any problems with the backdial. I never turned it unintended.
Yes my Lumix sensor is constantly dusty unlike my Canon R6.
Great stuff Tyler 🤙
Hey Tyler! Great video once again! Kinda torn between the 2 cameras S5ii and S5iix - is it easier to live stream with the S5iix? Or do you think an s5ii would suffice? Mostly using the camera for music videos/green screen stuff and live streaming. And we're coming from a GH6...
I believe the next update in firmware will fix the 6k/auto focus issue. This is already fixed on the s5llx. Question, I saw you said the 4k60 crop is 1.4. I’d always assumed it was 1.5. Can you confirm?
Hey nice, a fellow Dutchie here! (or not?) Nice vid man
Do you use a Lut with this camera S5II? Cheers!
great video man! I am based in YYC and am thinking about the s5ii
It’s amazing value
@@stalman oh 100% better autofocus than a Z6?
Yep, helpful review. Great call RE: not being able to monitor externally when shooting open gate - that seems like an absolute shortfall.
awesome footages, awesome color grading!!!
Thanks for a great review. This is a very promising camera in terms of vfm and has functions that a cinema camera should have. That said there are still major drawbacks (rolling shutter, moire, crop in higher frame rates, not very reliable autofocus) and I find that the lumix LUT to rec709 is not ideal for "neutral" color rendering (I have used the Sony LUT in the past for a better matching with the Sony FX3 :) ).
Can I ask an unrelated question?
What robot vacuum cleaner are you using in the studio (0:40) and are you happy with it?
Thank you very much for the kind reply (looking for one for my own studio)
LOL... "What vacuum cleaner are you using"
@@vincentcuchel8556 Hey it's there in the shot 😂
Great stuff, Tyler!
So funny that you are only mention that points no one talks about that are important. Dust on sensor for instance. Have you ever found whobble in the s5 II footage? What do you do with the c70 when it starts to rain? I miss an option like 35-150 low light lens at the panasonic and panasonic consumes much more power than sony.