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36:02 You Expected Larys To Come Out And Take Out These Two Guys With A Spear To The Throat? Larys? Larys? Can He Even Plant Properly To Throw A Spear?
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Exactly. At least, that's what they told her in the book anyway....make a choice or they all die. Not to mention they also threatened "graping" her daughter if she didnt choose! Not sure why they didnt follow what happened in the book for that scene....
@@crystalk98 they constantly alter the book just slightly in favor of the blacks. Need a clear "good" and "bad" I guess for the basic viewer. If they had kept it that they tied up Alicent and waited for Helena to bring her kids in to say good night, then did what you stated above in front of them it would make her just a smidge to sympathetic. Also Rhaenyra did not specifically call for Aemond but they got give her a get out of jail free card with the viewers on that front as well
Haleana picked the boy I think cause she knows it's futile from her visions but also I think her reaction was very believable. In the show she's been kind of on the spectrum so I think her reaction to shock and terror was really well done. Her freaking out and screaming wouldn't make sense with the way she's written in the show
When she said she was afraid of the rats, she looked straight at little Jaehaerys' crib. And in the Blood and Cheese event she chose Jaehaerys, the prophetic dream she had, she dreamed of his death.
in the scene with aegon, you can hear her say "they only want the boy", and during b&c she seemed to not realize whats happening she has a moment where she almost wakes up and then takes jaehaera. Poor girl, i dont know how her visions work but maybe shes sometime confused between reality and dream?
It’s hilarious listening to Spartan try and work out the story and then Pudgey comes in and nails it perfectly. Just listen to her mate 😂😂. She’s using context clues
Idk if anyone has mentioned this but the reason for Syrax letting out a mournful roar on the beach was not only bc she felt rhyneras pain but Luke’s dragon arrayx came from one of syraxs eggs. So u had two mothers mourning their babies in that scene :(
Fun fact! The dragons actually can't fly over the wall, like Cregan said when he told Jace. I loved the way they added the small detail, because it kinda feels like this show is trying to correct the lore mistakes that GOT made in the later seasons where there were no more books to adapt from, like when Dany took her dragons over to save Jon and gang.
Only Silverwing couldn't fly to the other side of the wall because she was scared of something. This worried queen Alyssane but she didn't force her. I don't know if other dragons couldn't but the one we know about was afraid, maybe she can sense something was off and didn't want to fly there.
@@NatashaSalgado Precisely. I was confused when they said both dragons were there, but it didn't bother me really. But I'd assume that if Silverwing wouldn't go (because Alyssane tried twice I think to take her over) she didn't want to.
@@Jennifer-2329Did not know that beforehand about Arrax but I still loved that scene. Just thought Syrax was strictly feeling Rhaenyra’s emotions, as riders are so connected to their dragons. Was a beautiful scene indeed.
@@_justinblizzlethis is a Song of Ice and Fire. A show about a book that consistently has 3 accounts for everything that happened. And the shows have consistently added context and nods to long-standing fan theories… and they’ve been doing that since Game of Thrones. We don’t need your “well actually” gatekeeping.
Helaena is autistic coded meaning her reaction to this terrible event might not look 'right' in the eyes of some (Shock is crazy for anyone and everyone too though) I believe her 'visions' or dreams aren't clear. She said she fears the rats, and stares at her kid's beds. Its likely what she saw was literal rats just swarming her children and eating them or something. She has to interpret them, perhaps thats why she was so 'spacey' when Blood and Cheese are talking at her. She's realizing that her kids will likely both die if she doesn't do what they ask (Point out the prince) so she did. Plus anyone would panic and dissociate in that instance. Cole's job is to guard the queen and babies but the castle looked very dead in regards to patrols so i think he sent his men away so he could get with Alicent without interuption.
Yeah and noticed how she relapsed after she went down the staircase, she probably was thinking that all that happened was a dream then she realized that it's happening in real time that's why she gasped.
@@wjohnson1110the book readers cant know it all - the book is historical conjecture with some truths - this is just as canon - and it makes more sense - two random assassins want to get their job done and run the heck away, they dont want to glory in it, that was twisted in the accounts in history. (Altho retcon of her not having two sons is indeed a retcon). What annoys me more is how they keep trying to reduce Team Black’s responsibility for all the terrible things they do.
Yeah, we saw it in the Ice and Fire main series with Bran's visions, how he saw for example Theon's occupation of Winterfell as the sea flooding the castle. It makes a lot of sense that Helaena's visions would be very similar.
Blood and Cheese is way more traumatic in the book, they forced Halaena to choose between two sons and then kill the one she wanted to save---While they were awake.
“Your mommy wants you dead” I wish that line could have been included somehow in the scene. Although very well done, something about B&C felt incomplete to me.
@akaHilton I think that line specifically wouldn't have fit the Blood and Cheese in the show, they seemed more amateur, frantic and detached, rather than having fun with the job
The thing is, it was a Mushroom retelling a “court fool”. So the show being canon. Mushroom making it more dramatic than what it was, makes it ultra realistic.
My tip for remembering Erryk and Arryk - Arryk ("A") is with ALICENT (also "A"), Erryk ("E") is with Emma (Rhaenyra). Or, mainly, I just remember NOT Arryk is with Team Black.
@@Chasingdreams25 HOTD fans when eye for an eye :- what 😡🤬 , Aemonds mistake , That's wrong HOTD fans when son for a son :- hell yeah 🤡 , kill the kid instead z Aemonds mistake 😡🤬.
I think because of the obssesion to prepare him to rule, I think Aegon found little love in his family. So when he was crowned last season and saw the people react to him when he lifted up the sword, he liked it. And so he loved the love he got from the people and he wants to repay them. He wants that love to continue. He's acting like a sort of young rock star. lol But he did also loved that boy and now with him dead, I wonder how that will change him.
@@MiArcangel Ice was melted not long after it was used to execute Ned Stark. It was melted into two longswords, one given to Joffrey ( Widow's wail ) and the other to Jaime (Oathkeeper) who then passed it down to Brienne of Tarth
Helaena's reaction is definitely in character for how she's portrayed. the dreams and visions have an effect on her and aren't quite clear to her. She realizes as it's happening that her rats are here for the prince. Also earlier she's literally sewing her son's shroud without even realizing it, she unconsciously knows death is coming for her child. She can't stop it either otherwise her and her daughter die as well. Phia(helaena) acted out this scene well. The gasp of air when reality has truly set in was incredible.
I remember watching you guys react to the first season of this before game of thrones and I’m so stoked to see you now able to do it full time! Keep going dudes your smashing it 💪🏻
While dragon and rider are in tune with eachother Syrax likely feels her own pain, more so than sympathy for Rhaenyra. Remember that Rhaenyra's sons ride dragons hatched from Syrax's eggs. That's the wing of her spawn washed up on the shore.
I consider halaena's autism as a panic or anxiety attack, too scared to scream or shout. This result in talkless without dialogue yet running adrenaline to save the rest.
I think daemon also didn’t care which son they have to kill after they asked what if aemond is nowhere to be found coz he got quiet after 🤷🏻♀️ as long as it’s “ a son for a son” so MAYBE he doesn’t give a damn which son, yet again we dont know what is said after they asked what if aemond is nowhere there or maybe they’re just idiots who wants to do an easy kill for money and cant follow a sinple instruction of whom to kill…. this was my reaction 😨🫣 the whole time I was hearing them cut off the head.. I believe in the books they made her watch her kid get killed
They made her and Alicent both watch, and they made the mother pick which one would [end.] She picked the youngest boy to be [ended] because the older boy was the heir, and the younger boy probably wouldn't understand what was happening. So when she chose, they told the younger boy that his mom wanted him [Unalived] then they did the opposite and [ended] the older boy instead. It was so good, and Ryan Condal was too stupid to adapt such an easy scene.
@@ARareBreedStoryYou think that scene would have been easy to adapt? You do realise getting little kids to act out that scene would be incredibly traumatic.
@@harifederer You act like camera angles and editing aren't a thing. lol The kids wouldn't even need to be on set for most of it. So yeah, it would have been easy.
Omg my heart started racing due to excitement when I saw u guys uploaded this reaction hahahaha 😂 Syrax cried too because ARRAX AND VERMAX are her children 😢 and yes that’s viserys statue
Helena is a dragon dreamer, also they were threatening her she had to make a choice or they would murder them all. As the scene goes she is dissociating from what is happening. I think it's perfect behaviour for the way they have developed Helena in the show. People mention it being different in the book, but we don't know which way they go with it.
It's crazy that Rhaenyra only spoke 4 words in this entire episode, yet you feel every single emotions when you see them on screen. That's great acting.
@@ARareBreedStory The books make the Blacks look absolutely savage, whilst the show is trying to make both teams equally sympathetic. I wish Heleana reacted stronger but it's okay I think, it might happen later.
The rat catcher clearly said if she didn't point out the boy he'd just kill all 3 of them. As far as her "trance" goes, she seems to always be half in the moment and half in the future, so she seems to be spaced out all the time.
Ya it was silly for GoT to introduce scorpions (the giant arrows that they shoot at dragons) as if they’re new. Literally Aegon the Conquerer’s sister wife was shot down by one even longer before HotD
I’ve been rewatching y’all’s GOT’s reaction again because they were to good. Y’all’s enjoyment of the show and the competitive nature y’all have to show one another up, is why I enjoy y’all’s reactions so much. Looking forward to this.
He seems like a good guy, Idk why they hate him so much. And he actually cares for his children, unlike Viserys who never gave him attention. But of course, now that his heir's been killed, he's not going to be the same, unfortunately.
I dunno about that, hes making rash decisions without considering the consequences. Every decision he tried to make to help his subjects would directly harm the war efforts. As much as I was happy to see him having some compassion, he should have made compromises. I saw an incompetent king who's more concerned with his image than managing the kingdom, and isn't considering the grander implications of his decisions. The way that they hinted at changing his hand (saying he should appear differently to Vicerys, starting by changing his advisor, likely to Lorys) suggested to me that they plan to manipulate him in that way, because he doesn't know what hes doing.
“They didn’t train him for this role at all…” because he’s not supposed to be on the Throne 😂 exactly why Alicent should have known Viserys never changed his mind. They didn’t even try and train the boy when Otto and Alicent were in charge before Viserys died!
In the book, this final scene is even worst ! [spoil this same event from the book] .. .. .. .. In the book, Blood & Cheese captured Alicent AND Helaena. Queen Helaena have 2 sons and 1 Daughter. The killer command Haleana to choose witch boy they must kill. Queen Heleana say "take me, kill me and leave my son". But blood answer : "A son for a son he say, you are not a son. Answer me now or I will kill all child and rape the daughter." Helaena, totally broken, pointed out his younger boy Maelor. Blood say to the kid : "See ? Your mother want you to die..." and he kill the older boy, Jaehaerys, and take his head, but leave all other.
Did anyone else noticed how she abruptly stopped in one of the hallways midway while escaping with her kid to safety and instead turn a different route and ended up in her mother’s chambers? I wonder if something was in her vision about that as well…. Or are we seeing the three eyed raven somehow is this series as well?
I found it interesting how Larys now stands tall and looks down on Alicent, forcing her to look up at him. Meanwhile, he is hunched over and feeble while talking to Aegon.
It really pisses me off when everyone tryna blame Aemon for starting the war. Alicent and Otto did that when they usurped the throne. Like the white worm said, Aemon “only sped up the business”
Heleana is a dreamer/greenseer. She has very real like dreams that predict future events but when she awakens she only remembers parts. This is why she pretty much speaks in riddles. Heleana seemed like she was in a trance during that final scene because she legit doesn’t know if she’s dreaming or awake.
There’s little things as mentioned, her looking at her babies beds and before Aegon comes in she’s sowing something that is speculated to be her son’s funeral shroud. And she’s whispering something very low that sounds like. “They only want the boy” and there’s doodles that she’s drawn up a beheaded wolf, a boar, and a dead baby. So yea she seemed to be frozen and wasn’t able to do anything she just grabbed her other baby and walked away then it looks like she kinda comes back to it and takes a deep breath before going to her mother :(
About being on a team, both teams are horrible. For the regular people there is no reason to care about a spoiled rich girl and a spoiled rich boy fighting over a chair, they just want to survive. Right now, they would probably prefer the greens because so far, all they got from team black was a dragon bursting through the floor and killing dozens of innocents, while Aegon is gaining popularity by being generous to his subjects and giving them relief when they ask. For the nobility, they're just on the team of whatever side happens to be threatening to burn down their home with a dragon.
@@chadwheeler8189 Oh, that means their lives don't matter then. Good point. Also, perhaps you haven't read the book, and I'm not going to spoil anything here. But the regular people are going to play a major role in this story.
I'm do tired of this "both sides same" bs the hell is wrong w u? First of all that rhaenys scene was invented just for shock cool scene, greens usurped the blacks for no good reason & blacks are resisting the usurpation, if count bad things both sides have done it's in the scale of (greens 20 - 1 blacks) they aren't the same greens are horrible if not for the greens this war wouldn't happen rhaenyra would be a good queen & rule w the help of her council, Jace the perfect crown prince would be next king everything would be alright argue w the wall
@@laza0202 If you want a dumb good vs evil show where you can cheer for the goodies and boo the baddies while inhaling popcorn like a total simpleton, watch a Marvel show. But this world is a lot more complex and better constructed than the onedimensional snoozefest you're trying to turn it into. Rhaenyra destroyed any hope for stability by putting bastards in the line of succession, which is itself an act of usurpation. And Rhaenys' awful scene was invented for the show, but it is still there, you can't just pretend it doesn't exist simply because you don't like it. If you just start ignoring the evil things one side does because you want a side to cheer for like it's a sports match, you're pathetic and you deserve to be mocked into oblivion.
from the start there were hints that helaena is neurodivergent and/or autistic. so her reaction makes complete sense. the way she disassociated in that very serious moment. also given the fact that she is also a dreamer which must make it more difficult to differentiate her visions from reality adding more complexity to the situation. i feel for her big time and i actually like the changes made from the fire and blood lore.
I think it’s fine but still a missed opportunity. The show could have done a better job of conveying the psychological terror of that scene by having it play out like the book.
@@pietervangorp267 the head canon, the books not canon, its a history book written by maestors the book also said alicent is way older but they friends on the show lmao nice cope the book dont matter cause the show is different so stop use head canon
Can we also talk about how Sir Criston Cole, in charge of security of the royal family as Lord Cokmander, is not at his post cause he is “with” with Alicent. Gonna be interesting how that plays out moving forward..
Bruh, the first thing Spartan said after the episode was pretty much "Phew, I'm pleasantly surprised that they were able to not get caught, thank god they killed that innocent toddler." lmao!
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Just a small little tidbit. That scene when Rhaenyra first finds Arraxs' wing and Lukes cloak, it's a bit deeper than you think. Yes Rhaenyra is grieving her son, but Syrax is Arraxs' mother, so she is grieving as well.
Criston Cole was on duty that night. Otto hightower said it. he and allicent are complicit in their negligence. Allicent lost her grandson and an heir to the throne.
I love that Aegon is cruel to his inner circle but trying to be kind to his people. It's a really interesting character choice, adds a bit of depth to him.
I am so glad they painted the greens (Aegon) as kind of decent (loving his son i.e. see his interaction with him at the small council) and at Court as opposed to portraying him as a Joffrey like ruler. It makes him grounded and it makes our support for black or greens not so straight forward
Great reaction guys, a lot of people tried to hate on Aegon even when he was trying to be decent. I'm glad you guys gave him some points, instead of trying to find a way to disapprove of his actions.
If the mother hadn't pointed out the one kid "the rats" surely would have killed both kids in order to make sure that they'd gotten the boy. And then she would have lost both of her kids and not just the one. She tried to trick them, it just didn't work.
Just let people enjoy and support the characters they want regardless if it’s team black or green, it’s just a tv show after all. Some people are arguing and acting as if it’s about life and death😂
You cannot bond with more than one living dragon. What Daemon was doing last season was checking on Vermithor, Old king Jaehaerys's dragon, the second oldest and largest living one. Daemon was assessing his condition and the possibility of finding a rider for the extra nuke in the basement.
All of the reactions to Blood and Cheese are 100% predictable 😂 Those who have not read the book are in disbelief that the show went that far. The book readers are extremely underwhelmed because it could have been so much more diabolical.
Yeah, in the book it's much more brutal, almost Red Wedding levels of shocking. They really adapted that part poorly in the show, and once again tried to make the Blacks more sympathetic so we would see them as the "good guys". Blood and Cheese were not sent to kill Aemond in the book.
@@Rocket1377In the book all we know is that Daemon sent a raven to Rhaenyra to tell her her son would be avenged it could have been sent for Aemond but just played out differently just like in the show the book is written like a history book not an actual book so we dont really know what really happened because its written from the perspective of mushroom and other maesters.
@@YounaPun Precisely. Thank you for keeping a level head and an objective mind. So many ravenous fans looking to nitpick out the gates and its beyond irritating.
This was handled better in the books. She tried getting out of it, but it was one or the other. She had to choose. It was Sophie’s Choice @ great movie you guys should watch). Great reaction!
Making her choose between her sons and then doing the opposite is far darker and more impactful on her. As well as then telling the kid that his mother wanted him dead. So dark.
I hope Rhaenys gets served some humble sauce this season. She killed a mass of smallfolk for no reason, then she neglected to end this war before it started, and still she is strutting around arrogantly as if she's the moral compass of team black. She's really unlikeable at the moment.
People are divided on the last scene of blood and cheese based on book readers and people who only watch the show. I didn't read the books but got the vague spoiler from a RUclips comment about this episode. I am personally underwhelmed by the execution, I didn't even know about the minute details in the book except that two assassins forced Haelena to choose between her sons and they kill the other son. The people who don't know the plot are shocked and impressed. The people who already knew what will happen are disappointed by completely unnecessary change from the book. I stand with book readers on this one that if they stuck with book version this scene could have been on similar stature like Red Wedding.
Love how no one actually says that Daemon is a monster (and the sneakiest of snake in that episode). Guy order two random to behead a child in his cradle and i guess thats... Alright? Yeah, team Black! (yes I'm team green.). Great reaction as usual guys o/
Its war and the greens struck first by usurping Rhaenyra and killing Luke Daemon's revenge even though its horrible the greens had it coming all i can say is Karma.
I mean he ordered them to kill him, not specifically behead them. Out of curioristy - what do you think Otto or Cole would do with their enemies children? I think you'll find most of the Greens would do the same in the situation. Which is kind of, you know, the whole point of both sides being horrible
Nobody calls daemon a monster because everyone is well aware of what type of person he is , they were supposed to kill aemond not jeaharys so no , you revealing your team green automatic discredits your argument as your clearly biased .
The theory is that Aegon II grew up unloved by his dad & a disappointment to his mum. But when he crowned, the people cheered. He wants to retain their love, so he makes populist decisions.
This episode was such a letdown, especially the Blood and Cheese part. I waited to see how they would handle it and I doubt it could have been done worse.
@@withxoutxlife God forbid that an adaptation of a source material keeps in line with the source material. I do not need 1:1 recreation, but it would be nice if a tragic event was portrayed as tragic and not half-comical.
@@withxoutxlife The book: "Don't hurt my kids!!!! TAKE ME INSTEAD!!!!!" The Show: "I have a necklace." Truy spectacular writing on the shows part. I can't tell which one is more emotional. lol
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36:02 You Expected Larys To Come Out And Take Out These Two Guys With A Spear To The Throat? Larys?
Larys? Can He Even Plant Properly To Throw A Spear?
It would be great if you also react to 'inside the episode' of HOTD. I've seen RUclipsrs 'Mac react' do it after each episode, maybe you guys want to do that too.
If Haleana wouldn't choose, both her kids will die.
Exactly. At least, that's what they told her in the book anyway....make a choice or they all die. Not to mention they also threatened "graping" her daughter if she didnt choose! Not sure why they didnt follow what happened in the book for that scene....
@@crystalk98Who cares it was still a great scene.
@@crystalk98 they constantly alter the book just slightly in favor of the blacks. Need a clear "good" and "bad" I guess for the basic viewer. If they had kept it that they tied up Alicent and waited for Helena to bring her kids in to say good night, then did what you stated above in front of them it would make her just a smidge to sympathetic. Also Rhaenyra did not specifically call for Aemond but they got give her a get out of jail free card with the viewers on that front as well
@@LindsnDarth True true! So far it's a really good adaptation I think, the books and show are always going to be different which is fine!
@@crystalk98 There was no choice it was Jaehaerys from the begining not even Aemond notice how b&ch knew there is boy and girl so Daemon told them
Haleana picked the boy I think cause she knows it's futile from her visions but also I think her reaction was very believable. In the show she's been kind of on the spectrum so I think her reaction to shock and terror was really well done. Her freaking out and screaming wouldn't make sense with the way she's written in the show
They told her, it’s the boy or it’s all of you. So either she loses one child or loses them both. She had no choice but to point.
When she said she was afraid of the rats, she looked straight at little Jaehaerys' crib. And in the Blood and Cheese event she chose Jaehaerys, the prophetic dream she had, she dreamed of his death.
I was thinking that she picked the boy because she knew that this boy wouldnt want to become king and his life would be miserable anyway
in the scene with aegon, you can hear her say "they only want the boy", and during b&c she seemed to not realize whats happening she has a moment where she almost wakes up and then takes jaehaera. Poor girl, i dont know how her visions work but maybe shes sometime confused between reality and dream?
“On the spectrum” so when did GRRM write her on the spectrum???? She’s a dragon dreamer. Not on the spectrum.
It’s hilarious listening to Spartan try and work out the story and then Pudgey comes in and nails it perfectly. Just listen to her mate 😂😂. She’s using context clues
@@brandonj7458 A little?!? Being generous 😂😂🤣
That's always! He always thinks he's right and shuts her idead just for her to be right in the end lol
@@brandonj7458doubt he can tie his own laces, like talking to a guy with a brain injury
@@iainsteele5737 I bet you are Kyle's dad from Southpark. Dont know what I mean look up the internet troll episode
He's not very smart. :/ Yeah...
Idk if anyone has mentioned this but the reason for Syrax letting out a mournful roar on the beach was not only bc she felt rhyneras pain but Luke’s dragon arrayx came from one of syraxs eggs. So u had two mothers mourning their babies in that scene :(
Mourning lol not morning
Fun fact! The dragons actually can't fly over the wall, like Cregan said when he told Jace. I loved the way they added the small detail, because it kinda feels like this show is trying to correct the lore mistakes that GOT made in the later seasons where there were no more books to adapt from, like when Dany took her dragons over to save Jon and gang.
Only Silverwing couldn't fly to the other side of the wall because she was scared of something. This worried queen Alyssane but she didn't force her. I don't know if other dragons couldn't but the one we know about was afraid, maybe she can sense something was off and didn't want to fly there.
@@NatashaSalgado Precisely. I was confused when they said both dragons were there, but it didn't bother me really. But I'd assume that if Silverwing wouldn't go (because Alyssane tried twice I think to take her over) she didn't want to.
@@NatashaSalgadoThere are certain types of magic that cannot cross the wall and dragons are fire magic in the flesh
Pudgey giggling uncontrollably is one of the worlds true joys
Information: Syrax child dragon (Arrax) was also killed. Two mothers mourning.
That scene was beautifully done. I didn’t know if others would pick up on the nuance of it.
@@Jennifer-2329Did not know that beforehand about Arrax but I still loved that scene. Just thought Syrax was strictly feeling Rhaenyra’s emotions, as riders are so connected to their dragons. Was a beautiful scene indeed.
I really only feel bad for Syrax she had no control over her riders poor decision making
That is an unconfirmed rumor. There is absolutely no evidence to this one way or the other. Stop spreading false information.
@@_justinblizzlethis is a Song of Ice and Fire. A show about a book that consistently has 3 accounts for everything that happened. And the shows have consistently added context and nods to long-standing fan theories… and they’ve been doing that since Game of Thrones.
We don’t need your “well actually” gatekeeping.
Pudgey about the kid: so cute.
Me, knowing what will happen to him: 💀
Helaena is autistic coded meaning her reaction to this terrible event might not look 'right' in the eyes of some (Shock is crazy for anyone and everyone too though) I believe her 'visions' or dreams aren't clear. She said she fears the rats, and stares at her kid's beds. Its likely what she saw was literal rats just swarming her children and eating them or something. She has to interpret them, perhaps thats why she was so 'spacey' when Blood and Cheese are talking at her. She's realizing that her kids will likely both die if she doesn't do what they ask (Point out the prince) so she did. Plus anyone would panic and dissociate in that instance. Cole's job is to guard the queen and babies but the castle looked very dead in regards to patrols so i think he sent his men away so he could get with Alicent without interuption.
Nah, they ruined that scene. In the book she is driven mad by the traumatic events. Having visions or being autistic has nothing to do with it.
Yeah and noticed how she relapsed after she went down the staircase, she probably was thinking that all that happened was a dream then she realized that it's happening in real time that's why she gasped.
@@Rocket1377 Ruined, maybe if you're a know-it-all book reader. Most of you spoil the show with your constant negative bs.
@@wjohnson1110the book readers cant know it all - the book is historical conjecture with some truths - this is just as canon - and it makes more sense - two random assassins want to get their job done and run the heck away, they dont want to glory in it, that was twisted in the accounts in history. (Altho retcon of her not having two sons is indeed a retcon).
What annoys me more is how they keep trying to reduce Team Black’s responsibility for all the terrible things they do.
Yeah, we saw it in the Ice and Fire main series with Bran's visions, how he saw for example Theon's occupation of Winterfell as the sea flooding the castle. It makes a lot of sense that Helaena's visions would be very similar.
Blood and Cheese is way more traumatic in the book, they forced Halaena to choose between two sons and then kill the one she wanted to save---While they were awake.
“Your mommy wants you dead” I wish that line could have been included somehow in the scene. Although very well done, something about B&C felt incomplete to me.
@@akaHilton facts, I understand why they toned it down though but I was hoping for more in the lead up to
@akaHilton I think that line specifically wouldn't have fit the Blood and Cheese in the show, they seemed more amateur, frantic and detached, rather than having fun with the job
@@adamcummings20 makes sense, that’s a great point!
The thing is, it was a Mushroom retelling a “court fool”. So the show being canon. Mushroom making it more dramatic than what it was, makes it ultra realistic.
I'm so happy for Spartan that the show opens with Lord Stark after pudgy throwing shade on his shirt!
I love that you're keeping the bloopers in. And just the right amount of it.
My tip for remembering Erryk and Arryk - Arryk ("A") is with ALICENT (also "A"), Erryk ("E") is with Emma (Rhaenyra). Or, mainly, I just remember NOT Arryk is with Team Black.
Whatever 😂
Tip for remembering which is which: Erryk is the one who's name starts with an E, Arryk is the one who's name starts with an A.
Or that Arryk is w Aegon (the King, it's his Kingsgaurd) & the other Erryk by default is w Rhaenyra or I guess Emma- that's kinda clever
that entire intro is a huge part of why i love your guys reactions 😭 so funny
No matter which team you're on Emma Darcy's performance as a grieving, vengeful mother was simply wonderful this episode.
Emma destroyed this episode with one savage line of dialogue and the emotional range that deserves ALL the awards... And it's only the first episode!
It's not that deep bro 😂
That whole moment where she says "I Want Aemond Targaryen" with the camera work and music playing was freaking phenomenal.
@@psychic800it is. Which is explained in the BTS. They wanted viewers to feel her grief and vengeance
@@psychic800 It is. One of her brothers stole her throne, the other killed her son.
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HOTD fans when eye for an eye :- what 😡🤬 , Aemonds mistake , That's wrong
HOTD fans when son for a son :- hell yeah 🤡 , kill the kid instead z Aemonds mistake 😡🤬.
I think because of the obssesion to prepare him to rule, I think Aegon found little love in his family. So when he was crowned last season and saw the people react to him when he lifted up the sword, he liked it. And so he loved the love he got from the people and he wants to repay them. He wants that love to continue. He's acting like a sort of young rock star. lol
But he did also loved that boy and now with him dead, I wonder how that will change him.
Cregan Stark is carrying Ice, it is almost as tall as he is.
Didn't the Lannister melted it to made 2 swords and gave one to Joffrey or something like that?🤔
@@MiArcangel
Ice was melted not long after it was used to execute Ned Stark. It was melted into two longswords, one given to Joffrey ( Widow's wail ) and the other to Jaime (Oathkeeper) who then passed it down to Brienne of Tarth
@MiArcangel This show is set 200 years before game of thrones. So ofc Ice is still intact.
Helaena's reaction is definitely in character for how she's portrayed. the dreams and visions have an effect on her and aren't quite clear to her. She realizes as it's happening that her rats are here for the prince. Also earlier she's literally sewing her son's shroud without even realizing it, she unconsciously knows death is coming for her child. She can't stop it either otherwise her and her daughter die as well. Phia(helaena) acted out this scene well. The gasp of air when reality has truly set in was incredible.
The squelch sound as the head is being removed … 😵
I remember watching you guys react to the first season of this before game of thrones and I’m so stoked to see you now able to do it full time! Keep going dudes your smashing it 💪🏻
thank you!! that feels like yesterday and it's still some of the most exciting time on the channe 🎉l
While dragon and rider are in tune with eachother Syrax likely feels her own pain, more so than sympathy for Rhaenyra.
Remember that Rhaenyra's sons ride dragons hatched from Syrax's eggs. That's the wing of her spawn washed up on the shore.
I consider halaena's autism as a panic or anxiety attack, too scared to scream or shout. This result in talkless without dialogue yet running adrenaline to save the rest.
Shock hits people in different ways.
I think daemon also didn’t care which son they have to kill after they asked what if aemond is nowhere to be found coz he got quiet after 🤷🏻♀️ as long as it’s “ a son for a son” so MAYBE he doesn’t give a damn which son, yet again we dont know what is said after they asked what if aemond is nowhere there or maybe they’re just idiots who wants to do an easy kill for money and cant follow a sinple instruction of whom to kill…. this was my reaction 😨🫣 the whole time I was hearing them cut off the head.. I believe in the books they made her watch her kid get killed
They made her and Alicent both watch, and they made the mother pick which one would [end.] She picked the youngest boy to be [ended] because the older boy was the heir, and the younger boy probably wouldn't understand what was happening.
So when she chose, they told the younger boy that his mom wanted him [Unalived] then they did the opposite and [ended] the older boy instead.
It was so good, and Ryan Condal was too stupid to adapt such an easy scene.
@@ARareBreedStoryYou think that scene would have been easy to adapt? You do realise getting little kids to act out that scene would be incredibly traumatic.
@@harifederer
You act like camera angles and editing aren't a thing. lol The kids wouldn't even need to be on set for most of it. So yeah, it would have been easy.
Omg my heart started racing due to excitement when I saw u guys uploaded this reaction hahahaha 😂 Syrax cried too because ARRAX AND VERMAX are her children 😢 and yes that’s viserys statue
Helena is a dragon dreamer, also they were threatening her she had to make a choice or they would murder them all. As the scene goes she is dissociating from what is happening. I think it's perfect behaviour for the way they have developed Helena in the show. People mention it being different in the book, but we don't know which way they go with it.
It's crazy that Rhaenyra only spoke 4 words in this entire episode, yet you feel every single emotions when you see them on screen. That's great acting.
lol the raven in the beginning is BRAN!!!!!😂
I agree. This seems like helaena was clearly in a trance or just severe shock. And make a quick decision
You guys need to look up how that final part of the episode happened in the books. Wish they stuck to source material but underestable why they didn't
How is it understandable? They cut all the interesting parts and gave us bland garbage that had no emotion.
@@ARareBreedStory The books make the Blacks look absolutely savage, whilst the show is trying to make both teams equally sympathetic. I wish Heleana reacted stronger but it's okay I think, it might happen later.
@@ARareBreedStorythe book version is better but I still like the show version, it was really intense
@@karimabidi8312
Yeah, if you call putting the audience to sleep intense. lol
@@stevenstone307
Both sides were savage. Ryan Condal has no clue what he's doing. He's at D&D levels of stupidity.
Great intro guys💀 glad to be back in the saddle!
I'm not even half way through the introduction and already loving the video, you two are so funny and genuine, so happy HotD is back!!!
20:05 its believed syrax is arraxs mother, so syrax is mourning the loss of her son too :(
my heart aches so much for Helaena. 😢
The rat catcher clearly said if she didn't point out the boy he'd just kill all 3 of them. As far as her "trance" goes, she seems to always be half in the moment and half in the future, so she seems to be spaced out all the time.
Ya it was silly for GoT to introduce scorpions (the giant arrows that they shoot at dragons) as if they’re new. Literally Aegon the Conquerer’s sister wife was shot down by one even longer before HotD
To be afir it was what...150 years since there had been any dragons in GOT, so 150 years since they had any need to make any scorpions.
I’ve been rewatching y’all’s GOT’s reaction again because they were to good. Y’all’s enjoyment of the show and the competitive nature y’all have to show one another up, is why I enjoy y’all’s reactions so much. Looking forward to this.
Aegon impressed me in this episode. He’s actually trying to help his subjects while on the throne.
He is not, he a rapist lmao yall need to seek help
he only car about his reputation but it's not Joffrey yeap, not sur he will keep this mood with his dear young son decapited in his chamber
Yeah except the maid did you catch their reaction ?
He seems like a good guy, Idk why they hate him so much. And he actually cares for his children, unlike Viserys who never gave him attention. But of course, now that his heir's been killed, he's not going to be the same, unfortunately.
I dunno about that, hes making rash decisions without considering the consequences. Every decision he tried to make to help his subjects would directly harm the war efforts. As much as I was happy to see him having some compassion, he should have made compromises.
I saw an incompetent king who's more concerned with his image than managing the kingdom, and isn't considering the grander implications of his decisions. The way that they hinted at changing his hand (saying he should appear differently to Vicerys, starting by changing his advisor, likely to Lorys) suggested to me that they plan to manipulate him in that way, because he doesn't know what hes doing.
“They didn’t train him for this role at all…” because he’s not supposed to be on the Throne 😂 exactly why Alicent should have known Viserys never changed his mind. They didn’t even try and train the boy when Otto and Alicent were in charge before Viserys died!
Pudgey dying laughing in the intro was the freaking cutestest thing ever, so charming
In the book, this final scene is even worst !
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In the book, Blood & Cheese captured Alicent AND Helaena. Queen Helaena have 2 sons and 1 Daughter.
The killer command Haleana to choose witch boy they must kill. Queen Heleana say "take me, kill me and leave my son". But blood answer : "A son for a son he say, you are not a son. Answer me now or I will kill all child and rape the daughter."
Helaena, totally broken, pointed out his younger boy Maelor. Blood say to the kid : "See ? Your mother want you to die..." and he kill the older boy, Jaehaerys, and take his head, but leave all other.
Did anyone else noticed how she abruptly stopped in one of the hallways midway while escaping with her kid to safety and instead turn a different route and ended up in her mother’s chambers? I wonder if something was in her vision about that as well…. Or are we seeing the three eyed raven somehow is this series as well?
If she didn't point to him... They would've killed both... maybe her too then
I feel like im back to older spartan and pudgey GOT journeys! Lets GO!!
SAMEEE!!
I found it interesting how Larys now stands tall and looks down on Alicent, forcing her to look up at him. Meanwhile, he is hunched over and feeble while talking to Aegon.
It really pisses me off when everyone tryna blame Aemon for starting the war. Alicent and Otto did that when they usurped the throne. Like the white worm said, Aemon “only sped up the business”
Syrax was grieving just as much as Rhaenyra in that scene, she too had lost a child being the mother of Arrax (Luke's dragon).
Alyrie Florent is alicent’s mother who died before the start of s1. So alicent is mourning her mother, viserys, and luke.
Alerie Florent - the first candle Alicent lights was her mother. This is the first we ever hear anything about her mother.
Nope. This might be the first we hear her name, but her death is addressed a few times in season one.
Sure buddy
Heleana is a dreamer/greenseer. She has very real like dreams that predict future events but when she awakens she only remembers parts. This is why she pretty much speaks in riddles.
Heleana seemed like she was in a trance during that final scene because she legit doesn’t know if she’s dreaming or awake.
There’s little things as mentioned, her looking at her babies beds and before Aegon comes in she’s sowing something that is speculated to be her son’s funeral shroud. And she’s whispering something very low that sounds like. “They only want the boy” and there’s doodles that she’s drawn up a beheaded wolf, a boar, and a dead baby. So yea she seemed to be frozen and wasn’t able to do anything she just grabbed her other baby and walked away then it looks like she kinda comes back to it and takes a deep breath before going to her mother :(
About being on a team, both teams are horrible. For the regular people there is no reason to care about a spoiled rich girl and a spoiled rich boy fighting over a chair, they just want to survive. Right now, they would probably prefer the greens because so far, all they got from team black was a dragon bursting through the floor and killing dozens of innocents, while Aegon is gaining popularity by being generous to his subjects and giving them relief when they ask.
For the nobility, they're just on the team of whatever side happens to be threatening to burn down their home with a dragon.
Aegon is a rapist
The story isn't really about the "regular" people, though, is it?
@@chadwheeler8189 Oh, that means their lives don't matter then. Good point.
Also, perhaps you haven't read the book, and I'm not going to spoil anything here. But the regular people are going to play a major role in this story.
I'm do tired of this "both sides same" bs the hell is wrong w u? First of all that rhaenys scene was invented just for shock cool scene, greens usurped the blacks for no good reason & blacks are resisting the usurpation, if count bad things both sides have done it's in the scale of (greens 20 - 1 blacks) they aren't the same greens are horrible if not for the greens this war wouldn't happen rhaenyra would be a good queen & rule w the help of her council, Jace the perfect crown prince would be next king everything would be alright argue w the wall
@@laza0202 If you want a dumb good vs evil show where you can cheer for the goodies and boo the baddies while inhaling popcorn like a total simpleton, watch a Marvel show.
But this world is a lot more complex and better constructed than the onedimensional snoozefest you're trying to turn it into. Rhaenyra destroyed any hope for stability by putting bastards in the line of succession, which is itself an act of usurpation.
And Rhaenys' awful scene was invented for the show, but it is still there, you can't just pretend it doesn't exist simply because you don't like it. If you just start ignoring the evil things one side does because you want a side to cheer for like it's a sports match, you're pathetic and you deserve to be mocked into oblivion.
The iconic music in the intro is the house Stark music theme
from the start there were hints that helaena is neurodivergent and/or autistic. so her reaction makes complete sense. the way she disassociated in that very serious moment. also given the fact that she is also a dreamer which must make it more difficult to differentiate her visions from reality adding more complexity to the situation. i feel for her big time and i actually like the changes made from the fire and blood lore.
Shes not autistic stupid.
I think it’s fine but still a missed opportunity. The show could have done a better job of conveying the psychological terror of that scene by having it play out like the book.
normal human reaction is to "not pick any of the kids" but she made the logical choice, the rat catcher was going to kill all 3 if she didnt
aegon lounging on the iron throne and not getting cut by it >>>>>
Facts
He a rapist and also not fit for the throne
and then Rhaenyra actually does get cut by it. shows you who is worthy of the throne and who is not.
@@pietervangorp267 the head canon, the books not canon, its a history book written by maestors the book also said alicent is way older but they friends on the show lmao nice cope the book dont matter cause the show is different so stop use head canon
@@pietervangorp267 a rapist worthy? Lmao this is why team green male fans has no bitches yall delusional and watching a different show lmao
Pudgey just constantly giggling was simultaneously hilarious and frustrating. You got some patience on you Spartan. :D
Glad you are back doing this show. This is how I first found your channel.
Can we also talk about how Sir Criston Cole, in charge of security of the royal family as Lord Cokmander, is not at his post cause he is “with” with Alicent. Gonna be interesting how that plays out moving forward..
Bruh, the first thing Spartan said after the episode was pretty much "Phew, I'm pleasantly surprised that they were able to not get caught, thank god they killed that innocent toddler." lmao!
Right! I know you're team black but fuck man
f them kids, they're irrelevant 😂
I don’t normally watch reactions as I don’t watch TV except for HOTD. Unfortunately none of my family and friends have the same passion for Westeros as I do. I found this channel during season one and enjoyed the reactions and interacting with others who share my love of this fantastical land. Looking forward to the next seven weeks with you all.
yep we fully get that and we're glad to be able to share this journey with you 🎉🙏🏼
gonna be a wild ride this season!
Just a small little tidbit. That scene when Rhaenyra first finds Arraxs' wing and Lukes cloak, it's a bit deeper than you think. Yes Rhaenyra is grieving her son, but Syrax is Arraxs' mother, so she is grieving as well.
it was done due to Daemons orders: jahaerys was option B. this was in the books as well
Just like to congratulate u guys on not thinking the twins were 8 and 10 years old like most reactors thought when the became Kings Guard
*they
These reactors are more sharp and easy to understand thats why I love them.
Criston Cole was on duty that night. Otto hightower said it. he and allicent are complicit in their negligence. Allicent lost her grandson and an heir to the throne.
I love that Aegon is cruel to his inner circle but trying to be kind to his people. It's a really interesting character choice, adds a bit of depth to him.
I am so glad they painted the greens (Aegon) as kind of decent (loving his son i.e. see his interaction with him at the small council) and at Court as opposed to portraying him as a Joffrey like ruler. It makes him grounded and it makes our support for black or greens not so straight forward
black all the way! and pudgey your buildup had potential girl ✋
Alerie Florent was Alicent’s mother in case anyone wondered
A son for a son. I'm so excited for this season !!
Great reaction guys, a lot of people tried to hate on Aegon even when he was trying to be decent. I'm glad you guys gave him some points, instead of trying to find a way to disapprove of his actions.
Great start to the season!!!! Emma D’Arcy was amazing and they only had one line of dialogue. 👏
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I hope you know that Rhaenys didn't actually mean "Then I pity Aemond". They just talking about 2v1 against Vhagar.
LMAO Pudgey laughing for 5min straight while Spartan trying to get the words out was hilarious
YESSSS WE'RE SO BACK!!! I already watched the episode like five times, gets me all the time 😭
@20:08 syrax does not only feel rhaenyra pain , she is also in pain and she is mourning Vermax as she is the one who hatched his egg
If the mother hadn't pointed out the one kid "the rats" surely would have killed both kids in order to make sure that they'd gotten the boy. And then she would have lost both of her kids and not just the one. She tried to trick them, it just didn't work.
Pudgey carried this reaction. Still love you Spartan. But you shut her down way to much and she ends up being spot on.
Team green because even though they are snakes it makes more interesting deep characters
Aegon stole the episode. Amazing performance! 🙌🏼
You guys don’t understand how long I waited for this reunion 😭
Just let people enjoy and support the characters they want regardless if it’s team black or green, it’s just a tv show after all. Some people are arguing and acting as if it’s about life and death😂
Well yeah, it's fun.
You cannot bond with more than one living dragon. What Daemon was doing last season was checking on Vermithor, Old king Jaehaerys's dragon, the second oldest and largest living one. Daemon was assessing his condition and the possibility of finding a rider for the extra nuke in the basement.
All of the reactions to Blood and Cheese are 100% predictable 😂 Those who have not read the book are in disbelief that the show went that far. The book readers are extremely underwhelmed because it could have been so much more diabolical.
Yeah, in the book it's much more brutal, almost Red Wedding levels of shocking. They really adapted that part poorly in the show, and once again tried to make the Blacks more sympathetic so we would see them as the "good guys". Blood and Cheese were not sent to kill Aemond in the book.
@@Rocket1377In the book all we know is that Daemon sent a raven to Rhaenyra to tell her her son would be avenged it could have been sent for Aemond but just played out differently just like in the show the book is written like a history book not an actual book so we dont really know what really happened because its written from the perspective of mushroom and other maesters.
And Ryan Condal was too stupid to figure outbhow to adapt such an easy scene. He's D&D level trash.
@@YounaPun Precisely. Thank you for keeping a level head and an objective mind. So many ravenous fans looking to nitpick out the gates and its beyond irritating.
@@YounaPun It seems unlikely that he expected two peasants to kill Aemond Targaryen.
This was handled better in the books. She tried getting out of it, but it was one or the other. She had to choose. It was Sophie’s Choice @ great movie you guys should watch). Great reaction!
B&Ch is not even half as dark as in books
Making her choose between her sons and then doing the opposite is far darker and more impactful on her. As well as then telling the kid that his mother wanted him dead. So dark.
I swear, im chuckling soo much during the intro just because Pudgey is chuckling. Lol.
I missed you guys
They’re so good🍿
❤
😂😂 I swear pudgey laugh is contagious 😂
I hope Rhaenys gets served some humble sauce this season. She killed a mass of smallfolk for no reason, then she neglected to end this war before it started, and still she is strutting around arrogantly as if she's the moral compass of team black. She's really unlikeable at the moment.
Shireen had the right of it in GoT holding the book, talking to Stannis about the Dance, shortly before she was burnt to a crisp.
People are divided on the last scene of blood and cheese based on book readers and people who only watch the show.
I didn't read the books but got the vague spoiler from a RUclips comment about this episode. I am personally underwhelmed by the execution, I didn't even know about the minute details in the book except that two assassins forced Haelena to choose between her sons and they kill the other son.
The people who don't know the plot are shocked and impressed. The people who already knew what will happen are disappointed by completely unnecessary change from the book. I stand with book readers on this one that if they stuck with book version this scene could have been on similar stature like Red Wedding.
It’s not that big of a deal. The book is also left to someone else’s interpretation. Complaining for book readers when you’re not one 😂 Get over it
I doubt it would be on par with the Red Wedding. We don’t know those babies, but we followed Kat & Robb for three seasons
That music is indeed iconic from got but u guys forget that this music is for the house stark and winterfell
Love how no one actually says that Daemon is a monster (and the sneakiest of snake in that episode). Guy order two random to behead a child in his cradle and i guess thats... Alright? Yeah, team Black! (yes I'm team green.). Great reaction as usual guys o/
Its war and the greens struck first by usurping Rhaenyra and killing Luke Daemon's revenge even though its horrible the greens had it coming all i can say is Karma.
@user-np4gr2je2q You're a horrible human being and daemon is a sneaky snake. Sneakiest of all snakes is daemon.
I mean he ordered them to kill him, not specifically behead them. Out of curioristy - what do you think Otto or Cole would do with their enemies children? I think you'll find most of the Greens would do the same in the situation. Which is kind of, you know, the whole point of both sides being horrible
Nobody calls daemon a monster because everyone is well aware of what type of person he is , they were supposed to kill aemond not jeaharys so no , you revealing your team green automatic discredits your argument as your clearly biased .
Because Daemon is awesome, and those kids were green. They were never destined to see adulthood once their family decided to steal the throne.
The theory is that Aegon II grew up unloved by his dad & a disappointment to his mum. But when he crowned, the people cheered. He wants to retain their love, so he makes populist decisions.
They correct the thing with the Dragons and the Wall, what GoT fucked up. But then they fucked up Blood and Cheese😢
Well they kind of messed that up as well. As only one dragon refused to cross the wall. The King's wasn't even there.
I can watch Pudgey laugh all day.
I love all the music in the beginning. We get so many musical themes of the north, and even the White Walkers theme.
This episode was such a letdown, especially the Blood and Cheese part. I waited to see how they would handle it and I doubt it could have been done worse.
Absolutely. I was so bored during the end. It had no emotion impact. Ryan Condal is at a D&D level of stupid.
yall are so dramatic my god
@@no-oz2hr Its so tiresome. Anything other than a one to one recreation is blasphemy to these people.
@@withxoutxlife God forbid that an adaptation of a source material keeps in line with the source material.
I do not need 1:1 recreation, but it would be nice if a tragic event was portrayed as tragic and not half-comical.
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The book:
"Don't hurt my kids!!!! TAKE ME INSTEAD!!!!!"
The Show:
"I have a necklace."
Truy spectacular writing on the shows part. I can't tell which one is more emotional. lol