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Daeron is I believe Alicent/Visery's youngest son. He is in Oldtown as a squire. He was supposed to be in S1 but I guess they didn't mention him because they didn't know if they would get enough seasons or not so they wanted to keep it minimal
Her and Vicerys' youngest is serving as a squire in Old town, this is actually great cause he played a big role for the dance and people thought they abandoned this plot.
Ok given that its episode 2 and you guys still don't understand the opening i guess ill explain it for you , the tapestry is ment to show you the history of house Targaryen and its history up till this point. The first image we see is what seems to be the origin of old valyrea and their dragons, the next is daenys the dreamer the savior of House Targaryen who prophecied the fall of old valyrea and convinced her father to flee to westaros, the next is the doom of old valyrea, the next is aegon and his sister wives during the war of conquest symbolized by the burning of harrenhall the castle daemon keeps mentioning wanting to take for rhenyrea as well as the field of fire when the Targaryens beat the lannesters and the former kings of the reach , the next is the formation of the Targaryen dynasty and the previous kings before visarys, we first see maegor the cruel the second son of aegon the conquer who uerped the throne from hos nephew who he also killed he's the guy Otto compared daemon too and claimed he'd be the same type of king if he was visarys hier, the next is young jeaharys the king before visarys and more recent events your familer with . Also the model visarys Made was of old valyrea not kings landing if you payed attention to how Kings landing actually looks like youd know they look nothing alike and visarys already explained what the model was in episode 2 of season 1 but i understand its been a while.
Fun fact: Helena was making Jaeharys's Funeral shroud before he even died as seen in episode one. She just didn't know why she was making it until it was too late...
People talking about what Daemon did but forgot that Otto ordered to the commender of the kings guerd to kill Rhaenyra and her children int heir sleep when they were usurping the throne in s1. It only didnt happen beacuse the guy refused to do it
The intro doesn't have any spoilers. It's the history of House Targaryen - Daenys the Dreamer prophesying the Doom of Valyria and telling her father who took House Targaryen and fled Valyria to Dragonstone, the Doom of Valyria, the Targaryen Conquest of Westeros, King Maegor dying on the Iron Throne, King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne's golden age, the Great Council of Harrenhal which we saw in the first episode, the beginning of the Dance of Dragons with the two factions on different sides of the table, Aegon and Rhaenyra on their thrones on opposite sides and then Lucerys and Arrax being killed by Aemond and Vhagar which started the civil war.
Technically 0. Rhaenyra was a princess when Cole had her, and Alicent would've been queen dowager, but Helaena removed that status once Aegon was crowned, which is almost immediately after Viserys's death. And, Queenlayer would've been better title imo 🤣
I think Alicent walked not only away because of her guilt but also because she never learned how to comfort herself or others. All she had growing up was her faith and her father. We see it in how she treats her kids - and herself.
At 28:30 you're wrong. It was Arryk (Team Aegon) who mentioned that he still loved his brother for leaving, and Erryk (Team Rhaenyra) who pressed the wound to get out of the wrestle and stab Arryk.
it was very hard to tell who won the twin battle! but as far as i can tell from the captions etc, Erryk won (team black) however i feel that it would have been FAR more impactful if Arryk won (Team green) and then in the guilt of killing his brother and acting dishonestly and dishonoroble in war he had a change of heart on the spot and THATS why he apologized to the Queen and then kill himself... but it just didnt make sense to me that Erryk did his duty, he protected and saved the queen and yet he kills himself????? i get it was his brother but they were already resigned to the sides they chose, but it was Arryk who looked like he was ashamed and even contemplating abandoning his mission when he was outside the door, but he walked in and said, " im sorry i have no choice" he was ashamed of his action so it would make sense thta he would be the one to kill himself. but it was still enjoyable,
I felt broken hearted for Aegon and Aemond this episode. Aemond reminded me so much of the Unsullied from GoT’s who would visit the brothel just to be held and feel a mother’s love. Aemond doesn’t go for the young hookers, he prefers the older motherly one because he’s never experienced that before. Seeing Alicent walk in on Aegon who was completely broken and utterly destroyed in that moment just to turn around and walk out without a word was so incredibly cruel. Despite being a staunch supporter of Team Black, I couldn’t help but feel for Alicent’s children. ***Daeron is Viscerys and Alicent’s youngest child. In the book he was raised in Kings Landing. This episode was another banger. The writing this season has been unbelievably brilliant.
I thought for sure the baby's head would have detached when funeral cart hit that pothole, and bounced when it hit the ground. I could picture someone tripping on it, but would be misinterpreted as a kick. Man would be killed and friend of man would kill guard. Riot would ensue that would put Joffrey's cow pie riot to shame. Glad this did not happen.
They knew that Aemond would be targeted. What they didn't predict was Daemon going as low as having a little boy brutally murdered and have his head severed. Luke's death was a freak accident; Jaehaerys's death was a deliberate act of malice.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl right but Aemond is going around saying he killed Lucerys. They don't know its an accident bc that would make Aemond look weak as a dragonrider for not having full control over his dragon
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl If a bully is chasing a child down in a semi truck and they don't hit the brakes in time to stop from running them over. That's murder!
@@kylethompson3008 It's about intent. Aemond was trying to mess with Luke, but once the dragons started acting on their own, he's in a full blown panic. At best, Luke's death could be considered 1st degree manslaughter since Aemond, while setting up the disaster, didn't mean for him to get killed.
@TimberlakeTigerGirl In that case, since you're going by a court of law. It would depend on witnesses. The witnesses at Storms End would say after Luke left, Aemond immediately hopped on his dragon and chased him down, which resulted in his death. There are no witnesses to corroborate Aemonds testimony that it was an accident unless the dragon speaks up on his behalf. I don't see that happening. Aemond would be extremely lucky to catch only a manslaughter charge. In most cases, he would be found guilty of murder
Thanks for another considered reaction :) I've never believed Daemon wants the throne. I felt what he wanted was power, yes, but also respect and recognition. I think he wants to be co-ruler at best. This isn't saying Pudgey is wrong, by the way, just illustrating a difference in how characters can be viewed.
I'm not Team Green, but I will somewhat defend Alicent here. We see her this episode express the feeling that the gods are punishing them, punishing her, with Jaehaerys' death. She attempts to confess her sins to Otto; seeking her father's help in dealing with the guilt that she is carrying. But he rejects that, and Alicent is left to struggle with that feeling of guilt on her own. When she sees Aegon grieving, that guilt is no doubt on her mind. And that is in addition to her already complicated relationship with Aegon. She was just a child herself when she had Aegon, Aegon is the result of sex she was forced to have to do her "duty", from a relationship that destroyed what seems to have been her closest relationship, the one with Rhaenyra. Aegon, through no fault of his own, has laid between Alicent and happiness, he's part of her prison. Aegon is a product of his father's gross neglect, and his mother's unpreparedness for, and complicated relationship to, motherhood. And the man he has become as a result is one who assaults women, which Alicent is deeply aware of. That's a complicated situation to comfort someone in, while grieving yourself, without emotional support. Similarly, we see Aegon and Helaena unable to connect. There is a pattern passed down through the generations here, and it's painful to see.
Y do I feel more people r more upset with criston in this episode over daemon who literally had a child killed? It makes no sense to me. I get it Criston is a hypocrite having a hypocritical lifestyle with roid rage, but he is worse than a man who groomed his niece, a man who pre killed his first wife, a man who assaulted his wife after she lost her father and unborn daughter, and man who orchestrated the death of a toddler n nearly assaulted his wife again? Ive been saying this for the longest daemon and Otto r two side of the same coin. They are upset with their kings and queens because neither listen to them, they both want to be in control, and when they not in control they both over step. The only difference between them is that they use different tools to attack their enemies. Daemon uses the blade and otto has his tongue. Anyone else notice the parallel with rhaenyra calling out daemon manipulation in this episode like how Alicent confront Otto with his manipulation in episode 9. Looking forward to ur future videos guys btw.
This is set in a time where there is no such thing as grooming like please come with something better than that lmfao plus Cole around the same age as daemon so if he a groomer Cole is as well no? Being with rhaenyra and alicent knowing them since 14? If people don’t like Cole let them 🤣
This is the same argument as in GoT where Rhaegar being with Lyanna was wrong but Robert Baratheon another grown man lusting after a 14 year old was fine. Youre a hypocrite who isnt nearly as smart as you think you are.
Daeron is Viserys and Alicent's youngest son, he was sent as a boy to squire for Lord Hightower. During Daemon's assessment of their position at the end of Season 1, he said that Dragonstone had 13 dragons to the Green's 4. Aegon, Aemond, Helaena and Daeron are all dragonriders. However, Daemon says that the Greens only have 3 adult dragons. So Daeron is still very young. Roughly the same age as Lucerys Velaryon.
Daeron is the youngest child of Viserys and Alicent. He is around the same age of Jace. He has been in Oldtown with Otto’s brother and the other hightowers during the events of HOTD so far. He will be coming in the show next season. The writers said the reason he hasn’t been showed yet was to flesh out the other characters first. Hopefully that clears that up for you.
@@1FM1397earliest reference as far as I can tell is when Daemon (in S1E10) says the greens have four dragons. But to non-book readers that really wasn’t a good hint lol
Thats what i was thinking too like Tywin was clearly manipulative without any regards for all of his child’s mental n physical health but otto actually cares for them while also smartly controlling them.
He is a second son of lord Hightower… not in line to inherit anything…. If he was the lord of a Great House like Tywin… he would command the same power and respect
@@exgardevior You obviously didn't listen to Tywin's story about his father who almost ruined House Lannister. Being the Lord of a Great House alone does not mean you command either power or respect, both have to be earned no matter as whom you're born.
I really don't see the similarity. While both are powerful hands, they seem to have achieved that power in vastly different ways. Otto uses soft power by convincing his rulers that it is in their best interest to walk the path he lays out for them, Tywin uses his authority and simply takes the power to act in his own right.
@sportsrocky I know, but I'm talking about Otto actually stealing Queen Rhaenyra throne and putting an incompetent on it. He thought it would be easy, but now half the realm has turned against him, and he lost the power he schemed for years to hold on to. He has no choice but to double down and fight on because they all committed treason, which is a death sentence
@milfordgunnie4599 Oh, so am I. It reminds me of the poem Ozymandias "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my works, ye mighty and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare the lone and level sands stretch far away"
I love how the fight between the twins kind of represents the war between the Greens and the Blacks but on a smaller scale. They were family who chose different sides. Their fight was messy and chaotic and in the end no one really won cause neither of them can live with the fact that they killed their own flesh and blood
@withxoutxlife ik they meant it as banter I just replied what I felt about carlie ange I think they are one of the good hotd reaction channels on here cause they understand both sides without over villianizing or white washing any characters!
@@dabhyun1133 Eh maybe up to late season 1 I could agree with this but in the show green is just clearly being portrayed as flat out more flawed/incompetent than black (not that black is perfect). Feel like people are kind of being contrarian to say otherwise at this point. In the books though sure its much less cut and dry there
I like this version of the twins duel more than the book. The fact there is a decisive victor who simply can’t live with himself after slaying his brother really drives home the tragedy.
These twins are among of the very first characters GRRM created of dance era. They are both written among the legendary knights in history of westeros.
Daron, the 3rd son of Alicent , was sent as a cupbearer to Oldtown. And another great book fact about Otto: After all the rat catchers were hanged, he brought 100 cats to the Red keep. So much later Arya can catch cats there.
In case you haven't noticed, the intro tells the story of House Targaryen, from their bonding with dragons centuries ago in Old Valyria to the death of Lucerys in the previous season. The initial scenes show Daenys the Dreamer foreseeing the doom of Valyria. Then we transition to Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters traveling to Westeros, the burning of Harrenhal during the war, and the kings who knelt before them. The king later shown on the throne with a sword through his neck is Maegor the Cruel, who would be the great-great-granduncle of Viserys and Daemon. Everything that follows is what we see from the first episode onwards. I'm sorry if there's anything written incorrectly, English is not my native language
@@rexibhazoboa7097that would be Daenys the dreamer. She’s the one that had the dream about the Doom in the first place. The guy she’s holding is either her father Aenar or her brother/husband Gaemon
This was a really peak episode, so well made, now that Cole is hand of the king he can do whatever he wants essentially, that's what they show at the end, very well written.
Larys WAS sprinkling seeds AND probably hoped he’d be picked as hand. His seed sprinkling super backfired though when it inadvertently sprouts Cole as hand. Lol
I think it might still turn in his favor since cristons plan failed miserably 😅 I don’t think aegon will keep him as a hand after he finds out about it🙈
Good episode. I think Cole just sent one of the twins to death knowing it would fail. So mad that he took his anger out on someone. Stellar acting from Rhaenyra, Aegon, Otto, and Cole.
It's not that he thought the mission would fail, it's that he doesn't care and it doesn't matter. If he succeeds well he's a hero and ended the war, if not oh well
i feel like part of it is because sir Arryk was actually representing dignity and honor and could put duty over his own personal feelings. Something that Cole is very much missing and sir Arryk is like a reminder of it.
Daemon told Blood and Cheese to go for Aemond, but he also told them "a son for a son". They said it themselves whilst holding the queen at knife point. Blood says "he said a son for a son. does she look like a ffffing son to you"
I thought maybe when Helaena was looking up at the confetti she might have been seeing ashes, like when Dany goes to the house of the undying and goes into the throne room. But I dunno, just a thought really.
Most people keep saying that because they expected it to be more gruesome which wasn’t really necessary. how does it make no sense if they’re just simply being introduced?
04:50 The intro credits is a depiction of the history of House Targaryen, starting with Valyria and the doom to Aegons conquest (detailing all the battles and major events) to present day.
r.i.p. arryk & erryk --- the twins were duty-bound, loyal and honorable, but in this show threats to one's honor can make you the puppet of scoundrels.
aegon wasn't crying over those children he made and watched fight to the death in the fighting pits. i have no sympathy for him, sorry not sorry. sara hess just wanted more people to sympathize with her favorite rapist. womp womp. i love watching your reactions, see you next week!
Aegon was crying because he thought his father was the one who put him on the throne not a scheming grand father and mother...he now feels illegitimate
@@sosayweall2509Agree. I believe Aegon is sad about his son but Otto revealing Viserys didn't choose him as king is why he was crying in that last scene.
Never thought I would feel empathy for Aegon II, but here we are, that took some damn fine writing & acting Tom Glynn-Carney was outstanding. It shows the generational trauma in the Greens: Otto refusing to listen to Alicent speak about a "sin" that's troubling her, followed by Alicent immediately turning her back on Aegon in his grief and suffering. By the way, the cloth Helena was embroidering in the last episode becomes Jahareys funeral shroud in this episode, just in case your heart wasn't ripped to shreds for her already 😭 That poor girl knew what was going to happen, and did her best to communicate the danger to her son, poor Heleana. Something to bear in mind: every new character we get introduced to is going to be very important. Seasmoke circling Alan of Hull overhead is telling you what's up.
Aegon is an extremely sympathetic character. Minus the whole sexual assault stuff and watching children fight to the death, I actually relate to him on a deep level
I love how everyone calls Coles plan stupid, but it would have worked if Mysaria didn’t randomly stumble upon Ser Arryk when she was about to leave Dragonstone😅
True. In other movies where someone can shape-shift, no one says it's stupid Most people are saying it's dumb because they dislike Criston Cole. Just projecting their feelings towards him even though it actually wasn't a dumb plan. If the chick didn't randomly see the twin coming, Rhaenyra would've been slain
@@sproductionsinc I agree that they should have talked with the hand and the small council before, but I don’t think the plan itself was that stupid. It was a low risk, high reward plan.
It shouldn’t have been that easy but that’s bad writing imo (luck and convenience for drama) how’re they still dressed exactly the same, no shave or haircut. Sure fine, but then give your twin a word or something. They know he’s a twin 😂
4:51 That is the Doom of Valyria. The massive apocalyptic event that whipped out the Targaryen's people the Valyrians and led to them coming to Westeros.
Rather than do the SMART thing and round up all the ratcatchers, then have Blood point out his accomplice, Aegon just went and killed the dude during the funeral procession and decided to hang all the INNOCENT ratcatchers in order to get ONE guilty person. He's brilliant, right? smh
I might be team black but house green won the acting in this episode. The actors who play Aegon, Otto, and Alicent were Emmy worthy this episode. Especially Aegon and Otto. Aegon was bordering on Joffrey levels of hate for me last episodes and this episode I reared up twice in scenes with him screaming.
Daemon’s words weren’t vague. He said “A Son of a Son”, if Aemond couldn’t be found. Jaehaerys was the only other possible option fitting that description, as Daemon couldn’t realistically have expected Blood and Cheese to successfully go after the King, who has Kingsguard protection 24/7. Daemon is fully to blame, he specifically set up Jaehaerys as the backup revenge.
Criston Cole is the master projectionist - what an utter hypocrite - no wonder he is hated - well done to the Actor for doing such an amazing job on that! Fantastic at his craft
@@whatisreddin7367 Why would we blame the show writers for idiot fans that can't separate an actor from the character they are told to portray? What kind of nonsense logic is that?
hes a coward but not the serial infant decapitators ? theyre so fond of killing toddlers that the writers had to remove a whole 2nd son of aegon just to cut the scene where rhaenyra puts a bounty on his head
17:58 nope he’s just a hypocrite and wants to find a way to get out his anger of himself for letting the murder happen cause he was defiling his vows, so he’s deflecting onto Arryk
Sssssssneaky little sssssssnake! Idk why I made this comment. I'm just tired. I'll watch the rest of this video when I wake up, it be 1 in the morning where I am. 🐍 💜
Daemon doesn't want the throne! Viserys even said it in the pilot episode, he doesn't have the patience for it. How many times has that man been placing crowns on other people's heads? He only seeks glory for his house and is rather proud of his heritage. He just has no control over his impulses which makes him quite dangerous (like a dragon)
Seeing her in the beginning Helena so shut down is only her shock on the outside. Just imagine what’s going on in her heart and mind. She had to pick which child was to die then had to hear the sound of her child’s flesh being cut through as she runs grasping her other child.
I’m with you Pudgey. I really really love Alicent’s character, but going back to Criston is just plain out frustrating. I actually hate it from a writing standpoint (I don’t care if it’s in the book). And also agree with Spartan. Criston pisses me off the most.
I love Team Green, absolutely love them. They're FAR more interesting, damaged and complex (Aegon, Helena and Aemond). Their political movers are FAR more cunning/clever (Otto and Club Foot) and FAR more conniving (Cole and Alicent). It's no surprise they were able to usurp the throne, all the studs are on their side. If they stick to showing more Team Green in these episodes than Team Black, the show becomes more Game of Thrones-y IMO. Black Team just has Dragons and an unhinged lunatic going for them. They're frankly quite bland and uninspired otherwise and boring to follow. Anyway, LOVE this episode!!!!!
Team Black sends someone to murder children, but Team Green are awful because a widow and an already sullied knight (courtesy of Rhaenyra) are smashing on the side? It's amazing how the show will lead people emotionally, no matter how little sense it makes. And Daemon's words were not vague. He explicitly told them "a son for a son" if they could not find Aemond.
lol at people acting like alicent having sex is the biggest crime of the season. its kind of obvious her relationship w criston is about feeling some control or power over at least one aspect of her life. that dynamic will probably shift now that cristons hand and has more power than she does.
I think more people don't dislike the fact she is getting some it's the fact that she chooses to do so instead of being a good mother to her grieving children. She got her parenting style from Otto.
@@Lostmonster i mean its not like she was presented with the choices a) have sex or b) comfort aegon. she goes to aegon to (i assume) reprimand him for firing otto, sees him crying and struggles to comfort him (she has always struggled with showing aegon any love, even in s1). then she goes to her bedroom to find criston sitting there and then she takes the anger she has at herself out at him and then they have sex. thats just how the events unfolded, she didn't pick one over the other. her choice in that moment was reprimand aegon or comfort him and she chose neither, just as otto did. like you said, the cycle goes on and on... we see the same unfold with aegon and helaena who can't even speak to each other.
@@user-luciddream she struggles showing any of her kids love, that's why they are how they are. She doesn't comfort Aegon, she forces Helaena to suffer through a public event she doesnt want to attend, Aemond finds comfort in a brothel with a surrogate mother. She's a horrible mother just like Cersei and just like Cersei she will be the cause of all her children's deaths.
@@Lostmonster there are scenes where she comforts or tries to comfort aemond and helaena. in ep6 when aemond is bullied, she comforts him. in ep8, she hugs helaena after finding out aegon raped a maid. in ep9, she tries to comfort helaena after viserys death but she rejects her touch. in s2x02 during the funeral, she tries to comfort and calm helaena down. there aren’t any scenes where she reaches out to aegon in that way, in 2x02 she clearly wants to comfort him by the look on her face but she just can’t. shes bad at comforting all of them but shes especially terrible with aegon. i think trying to explore the psychology behind that beyond the simple “shes just a bad mother” explanation (which is correct but theres more to that) would make a way more interesting conversation. aemond reaching out to the brothel lady seems to be a recent development, the lady says “oh how you’ve grown” in ep9 which implies this is her first time seeing him in years. this is probably caused by alicent being disappointed with him after he murdered lucerys. hes no longer the golden child (alicent relies on him in ep9) compared to aegon the disappointment child. alicent also doesn’t want to do the funeral but she feels its her and helaenas duty as queens, i think maybe at some point during the season she will realise that duty is a bunch of BS and all her sacrifices and suffering were all for nothing. this will send her through a downward spiral.
I would not call it a decision. Alicent just gave in to Ser Cristen or better to her own desire. I am team black from the start, but now after what Daemon is at least responsible for (kiiling of the child) they are less appealing. But how is that surprising? They are all Targaryen! F**** them! I am team Stark all the way! :)
Otto overreacted. It was just the second time when Aegon didn't listen to him, the first time was him giving money to the smiths. Plus Otto did the same in ep 9 when ser Caswell was hanging in the castle. Aegon killed like what, 10 ratcatchers? And it would destroy his reputation? Nobody gives a damn, especially noble families who do similar things on daily basis. Plus Otto killed nobles in ep 9, so how can be so harsh on Aegon ?
Otto really expected a grieving father with a cruel streak to act rationally. He calls Aegon a fool, but he’s the only one they have to blame for this situation. Aegon didn’t want to be king, and now it has cost him his son. He has no interest in being a pawn anymore. Also bringing up Viserys’s neglectful ass in front of his kid is absolutely foul.
Alicent was forced to have kids with Viserys, so she hasn't really been a mother to them. You can see how she can't comfort Aegon and how Aemond seeks motherly comfort from an older woman in a brothel. The show is an excellent dive into medieval vs modern ethics and the psychology they produce. People are bothered by bastards, while Jace, Luke and Joffrey were raised with love and attention by 3 parents. Meanwhile, Aegon and Aemond were ignored by both parents because the reason for their existence is to be succession spares. Otto thought he could make a person listen to him without building an actual relationship to him. And now, Aegon and Cole, the two stupidest people of the Greens are in charge. Good job Otto and Alicent!
Daemon did say 'a son for a son'. So saying it was just a miscommunication is letting him off the hook a little too easy. He should be aware of the consequences of his words. He has a child's blood on his hands and Pudgey saying that it wasnt as bad as what Cole did this in the episode (and throwing Alicent into the mix as well) is ridiculous. I know hes a cool character and you two support the Blacks but dont blindly whitewash over their behaviour.
It’s not so much Cole was supposed to be at haelenas door.. like Arryk said, why hadn’t she been appointed a sworn protector? He was just bad at his job in that regard but it is his fault
Alt Shift X made a good spoiler-free breakdown of the intro sequence if you want to know more about what you are seeing. Its a lot of the past history Valyria and the Targaryens.
Cole screwed the king and the queen in one episode! I mean how stupid can Aegon be? Cole was the commander of his guard and on his watch they killed his son. Instead of killing him he made him his hand?
Alicent is a horrible and a hypocrite person, not to mention Cole, notice the difference between Rhaenyra and Alicent when comforting their childs in their griefs. The crazieness of Aegon and Aemond are a reflection on her and Otto’s parenthood
Aegon is just a boy who was forced to uphold such burden and duty despite never being prepared for it. He lost a son and now acting only based on a grief and blinded by vengeance and that's not good.
Aemond is pretending to be the hard guy and has layers beneith he tries to cover. It seems like he had a bad relationship with his mother aswell as he had time with a prosti... who was well older. Kinda looking for a mother figure.
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Team Green are in absolute ruin this episode..and Criston Cole is on our sh*t list!
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Daeron is I believe Alicent/Visery's youngest son. He is in Oldtown as a squire. He was supposed to be in S1 but I guess they didn't mention him because they didn't know if they would get enough seasons or not so they wanted to keep it minimal
If you guys haven't noticed by now, the show is extremely team black biased and the changes from the books only benefit team black
Her and Vicerys' youngest is serving as a squire in Old town, this is actually great cause he played a big role for the dance and people thought they abandoned this plot.
Ok given that its episode 2 and you guys still don't understand the opening i guess ill explain it for you , the tapestry is ment to show you the history of house Targaryen and its history up till this point.
The first image we see is what seems to be the origin of old valyrea and their dragons, the next is daenys the dreamer the savior of House Targaryen who prophecied the fall of old valyrea and convinced her father to flee to westaros, the next is the doom of old valyrea, the next is aegon and his sister wives during the war of conquest symbolized by the burning of harrenhall the castle daemon keeps mentioning wanting to take for rhenyrea as well as the field of fire when the Targaryens beat the lannesters and the former kings of the reach , the next is the formation of the Targaryen dynasty and the previous kings before visarys, we first see maegor the cruel the second son of aegon the conquer who uerped the throne from hos nephew who he also killed he's the guy Otto compared daemon too and claimed he'd be the same type of king if he was visarys hier, the next is young jeaharys the king before visarys and more recent events your familer with .
Also the model visarys Made was of old valyrea not kings landing if you payed attention to how Kings landing actually looks like youd know they look nothing alike and visarys already explained what the model was in episode 2 of season 1 but i understand its been a while.
This is so much fun, you guys are literally are game of thrones hotd connection. Spartan can you believe Ian is the father???
Fun fact: Helena was making Jaeharys's Funeral shroud before he even died as seen in episode one. She just didn't know why she was making it until it was too late...
very fun...
Someone also pointed out that she looked at his bed when she said "The rats." 😬
wow 😢💔
If you max the volume of that scene when she was making that shroud.
You can hear her saying "they only wants the boy".
She also says "they only want the boy" before Aegon inters her chambers.
People talking about what Daemon did but forgot that Otto ordered to the commender of the kings guerd to kill Rhaenyra and her children int heir sleep when they were usurping the throne in s1. It only didnt happen beacuse the guy refused to do it
Great reminder!
The intro doesn't have any spoilers.
It's the history of House Targaryen - Daenys the Dreamer prophesying the Doom of Valyria and telling her father who took House Targaryen and fled Valyria to Dragonstone, the Doom of Valyria, the Targaryen Conquest of Westeros, King Maegor dying on the Iron Throne, King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne's golden age, the Great Council of Harrenhal which we saw in the first episode, the beginning of the Dance of Dragons with the two factions on different sides of the table, Aegon and Rhaenyra on their thrones on opposite sides and then Lucerys and Arrax being killed by Aemond and Vhagar which started the civil war.
Ser Criston Cole, the Queen Slayer, he’s 2-0. In the same room and bed.
Queen slayer? How did he get this title? He was not successful.
He slept with both Rhaynaera and Alicent. Queen "Slayer" get it?@@rexibhazoboa7097
@@rexibhazoboa7097 🙄 he's thinking with his dik..
Hope that helps
@@gypsysoul. ooh. Yes thanks
Technically 0. Rhaenyra was a princess when Cole had her, and Alicent would've been queen dowager, but Helaena removed that status once Aegon was crowned, which is almost immediately after Viserys's death.
And, Queenlayer would've been better title imo 🤣
I think Alicent walked not only away because of her guilt but also because she never learned how to comfort herself or others. All she had growing up was her faith and her father. We see it in how she treats her kids - and herself.
It was hilarious watching Pudgey roll her eyes at Alicent and Cole’s foreplay. It was stupid and I think we all had that reaction. Lol!!!
5:17 this is not Aegon but his son Maegor. Maegor was found dead on the iron throne, so i suppose this is what we see there.
At 28:30 you're wrong. It was Arryk (Team Aegon) who mentioned that he still loved his brother for leaving, and Erryk (Team Rhaenyra) who pressed the wound to get out of the wrestle and stab Arryk.
it was very hard to tell who won the twin battle! but as far as i can tell from the captions etc, Erryk won (team black) however i feel that it would have been FAR more impactful if Arryk won (Team green) and then in the guilt of killing his brother and acting dishonestly and dishonoroble in war he had a change of heart on the spot and THATS why he apologized to the Queen and then kill himself... but it just didnt make sense to me that Erryk did his duty, he protected and saved the queen and yet he kills himself????? i get it was his brother but they were already resigned to the sides they chose, but it was Arryk who looked like he was ashamed and even contemplating abandoning his mission when he was outside the door, but he walked in and said, " im sorry i have no choice" he was ashamed of his action so it would make sense thta he would be the one to kill himself. but it was still enjoyable,
I felt broken hearted for Aegon and Aemond this episode. Aemond reminded me so much of the Unsullied from GoT’s who would visit the brothel just to be held and feel a mother’s love. Aemond doesn’t go for the young hookers, he prefers the older motherly one because he’s never experienced that before. Seeing Alicent walk in on Aegon who was completely broken and utterly destroyed in that moment just to turn around and walk out without a word was so incredibly cruel. Despite being a staunch supporter of Team Black, I couldn’t help but feel for Alicent’s children. ***Daeron is Viscerys and Alicent’s youngest child. In the book he was raised in Kings Landing. This episode was another banger. The writing this season has been unbelievably brilliant.
I thought for sure the baby's head would have detached when funeral cart hit that pothole, and bounced when it hit the ground. I could picture someone tripping on it, but would be misinterpreted as a kick. Man would be killed and friend of man would kill guard. Riot would ensue that would put Joffrey's cow pie riot to shame. Glad this did not happen.
Dont forget alicent doesnt trust and of the staff larys chose hence why she does everything alone.
"I DECLARE WAR" sir the war started when your brother killed Lucerys BFFR. There's no way TG thought TB would not retaliate and just sit back
They knew that Aemond would be targeted. What they didn't predict was Daemon going as low as having a little boy brutally murdered and have his head severed.
Luke's death was a freak accident; Jaehaerys's death was a deliberate act of malice.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl right but Aemond is going around saying he killed Lucerys. They don't know its an accident bc that would make Aemond look weak as a dragonrider for not having full control over his dragon
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl If a bully is chasing a child down in a semi truck and they don't hit the brakes in time to stop from running them over. That's murder!
@@kylethompson3008 It's about intent. Aemond was trying to mess with Luke, but once the dragons started acting on their own, he's in a full blown panic.
At best, Luke's death could be considered 1st degree manslaughter since Aemond, while setting up the disaster, didn't mean for him to get killed.
@TimberlakeTigerGirl In that case, since you're going by a court of law. It would depend on witnesses. The witnesses at Storms End would say after Luke left, Aemond immediately hopped on his dragon and chased him down, which resulted in his death. There are no witnesses to corroborate Aemonds testimony that it was an accident unless the dragon speaks up on his behalf. I don't see that happening. Aemond would be extremely lucky to catch only a manslaughter charge. In most cases, he would be found guilty of murder
Thanks for another considered reaction :)
I've never believed Daemon wants the throne. I felt what he wanted was power, yes, but also respect and recognition. I think he wants to be co-ruler at best. This isn't saying Pudgey is wrong, by the way, just illustrating a difference in how characters can be viewed.
I'm not Team Green, but I will somewhat defend Alicent here. We see her this episode express the feeling that the gods are punishing them, punishing her, with Jaehaerys' death. She attempts to confess her sins to Otto; seeking her father's help in dealing with the guilt that she is carrying. But he rejects that, and Alicent is left to struggle with that feeling of guilt on her own.
When she sees Aegon grieving, that guilt is no doubt on her mind. And that is in addition to her already complicated relationship with Aegon. She was just a child herself when she had Aegon, Aegon is the result of sex she was forced to have to do her "duty", from a relationship that destroyed what seems to have been her closest relationship, the one with Rhaenyra. Aegon, through no fault of his own, has laid between Alicent and happiness, he's part of her prison. Aegon is a product of his father's gross neglect, and his mother's unpreparedness for, and complicated relationship to, motherhood. And the man he has become as a result is one who assaults women, which Alicent is deeply aware of.
That's a complicated situation to comfort someone in, while grieving yourself, without emotional support.
Similarly, we see Aegon and Helaena unable to connect. There is a pattern passed down through the generations here, and it's painful to see.
Y do I feel more people r more upset with criston in this episode over daemon who literally had a child killed? It makes no sense to me. I get it Criston is a hypocrite having a hypocritical lifestyle with roid rage, but he is worse than a man who groomed his niece, a man who pre killed his first wife, a man who assaulted his wife after she lost her father and unborn daughter, and man who orchestrated the death of a toddler n nearly assaulted his wife again?
Ive been saying this for the longest daemon and Otto r two side of the same coin. They are upset with their kings and queens because neither listen to them, they both want to be in control, and when they not in control they both over step. The only difference between them is that they use different tools to attack their enemies. Daemon uses the blade and otto has his tongue.
Anyone else notice the parallel with rhaenyra calling out daemon manipulation in this episode like how Alicent confront Otto with his manipulation in episode 9.
Looking forward to ur future videos guys btw.
This is set in a time where there is no such thing as grooming like please come with something better than that lmfao plus Cole around the same age as daemon so if he a groomer Cole is as well no? Being with rhaenyra and alicent knowing them since 14? If people don’t like Cole let them 🤣
This is the same argument as in GoT where Rhaegar being with Lyanna was wrong but Robert Baratheon another grown man lusting after a 14 year old was fine. Youre a hypocrite who isnt nearly as smart as you think you are.
Criston is just the gigolo of the Seven Kingdoms at this point.
Daeron is Viserys and Alicent's youngest son, he was sent as a boy to squire for Lord Hightower. During Daemon's assessment of their position at the end of Season 1, he said that Dragonstone had 13 dragons to the Green's 4.
Aegon, Aemond, Helaena and Daeron are all dragonriders. However, Daemon says that the Greens only have 3 adult dragons. So Daeron is still very young. Roughly the same age as Lucerys Velaryon.
Crazy how ep1 ended exactly as ep2 did 😅
Surprise! Alicent and Viserys had 4 children, one of whom was never seen or mentioned until now lmao.
The intro sequence is showing the history of House Targaryen from the doom of Valyrian to HoTD
Sir Christian Snake! hahaha. At this point it's obvious that Alicent is a way worse mother than Cersei was.
Aemond has issues still with how they teased him when he was young
Spartan & Pudgey Awesome Video Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎
Ser Criston put on a masterclass in gaslighting. I feel bad for the twins.😭😔
Bro was on demon time
Daeron is the youngest child of Viserys and Alicent. He is around the same age of Jace. He has been in Oldtown with Otto’s brother and the other hightowers during the events of HOTD so far. He will be coming in the show next season. The writers said the reason he hasn’t been showed yet was to flesh out the other characters first. Hopefully that clears that up for you.
Ah yes, the great Daeron, the unmentioned
Ngl they should have brought his name up earlier
@@1FM1397Ya I don’t understand why they thought mentioning him this late was a good idea.
aemond is the same age as jace in the show, tho. so daeron will have to be younger
@@1FM1397earliest reference as far as I can tell is when Daemon (in S1E10) says the greens have four dragons. But to non-book readers that really wasn’t a good hint lol
Ottos snickering when aegon said his father made him king was so friggin good
Hell yeah Traveller 🤝
Rhys Ifans' acting as Otto in that one scene with Aegon was absolutely incredible. His character reminds me a lot of Tywin but with less control
Thats what i was thinking too like Tywin was clearly manipulative without any regards for all of his child’s mental n physical health but otto actually cares for them while also smartly controlling them.
He is a second son of lord Hightower… not in line to inherit anything…. If he was the lord of a Great House like Tywin… he would command the same power and respect
His laugh at aegon cracked me up. He was great
@@exgardevior You obviously didn't listen to Tywin's story about his father who almost ruined House Lannister. Being the Lord of a Great House alone does not mean you command either power or respect, both have to be earned no matter as whom you're born.
I really don't see the similarity. While both are powerful hands, they seem to have achieved that power in vastly different ways. Otto uses soft power by convincing his rulers that it is in their best interest to walk the path he lays out for them, Tywin uses his authority and simply takes the power to act in his own right.
It was at this moment Otto knew he f*cked up
It was aegon who fucked up actually, this is were his downfall started
@sportsrocky I know, but I'm talking about Otto actually stealing Queen Rhaenyra throne and putting an incompetent on it. He thought it would be easy, but now half the realm has turned against him, and he lost the power he schemed for years to hold on to. He has no choice but to double down and fight on because they all committed treason, which is a death sentence
@@kylethompson3008 I'm happy that Otto sees his work come to ruin.
@milfordgunnie4599 Oh, so am I.
It reminds me of the poem Ozymandias
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my works, ye mighty and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare the lone and level sands stretch far away"
@@kylethompson3008
Rheanyra herself is incompetent..
Pudgey rolling her eyes at Alicent and Criston is so relatable 😂
"They're both dead, and these two are fucking." - One sentence synopsis of this episode.
I love how the fight between the twins kind of represents the war between the Greens and the Blacks but on a smaller scale. They were family who chose different sides. Their fight was messy and chaotic and in the end no one really won cause neither of them can live with the fact that they killed their own flesh and blood
There's no kind of lol you're exactly right. There can be no winners here
The model set is Valyria, not Kingslanding.
So Aegon II caused the Doom of Valyria. Now we know.
@@Leo_ofRedKeepAye my guy wassup 😂💯
Yep. Which is why i took the symbolism to mean Aegon destroying the peace and stability of the realm and their family that Viserys worked so hard for
@@TheSofkujepanen Viserys worked hard my ass. You know the standard is so low when Viserys is complimented for anything he did as a king.
"Sorry Carlie and Ange, but Team Green is for the fuckin bin." Lol Pudgey
Tbh Carlie and Ange has media literacy and a better grasp of characters and complexity rather than looking at everyone in a black and white manner
@@dabhyun1133 I'm pretty sure that was meant as banter between friends. I also laughed pretty hard when Pudgey said that.
@withxoutxlife ik they meant it as banter I just replied what I felt about carlie ange I think they are one of the good hotd reaction channels on here cause they understand both sides without over villianizing or white washing any characters!
@@dabhyun1133 Eh maybe up to late season 1 I could agree with this but in the show green is just clearly being portrayed as flat out more flawed/incompetent than black (not that black is perfect). Feel like people are kind of being contrarian to say otherwise at this point. In the books though sure its much less cut and dry there
I like this version of the twins duel more than the book. The fact there is a decisive victor who simply can’t live with himself after slaying his brother really drives home the tragedy.
These twins are among of the very first characters GRRM created of dance era. They are both written among the legendary knights in history of westeros.
They adapted it very well
Daron, the 3rd son of Alicent , was sent as a cupbearer to Oldtown. And another great book fact about Otto: After all the rat catchers were hanged, he brought 100 cats to the Red keep. So much later Arya can catch cats there.
Otto : "Insolent pup" 😂😂
That’s exactly what he is
In case you haven't noticed, the intro tells the story of House Targaryen, from their bonding with dragons centuries ago in Old Valyria to the death of Lucerys in the previous season. The initial scenes show Daenys the Dreamer foreseeing the doom of Valyria. Then we transition to Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters traveling to Westeros, the burning of Harrenhal during the war, and the kings who knelt before them. The king later shown on the throne with a sword through his neck is Maegor the Cruel, who would be the great-great-granduncle of Viserys and Daemon. Everything that follows is what we see from the first episode onwards.
I'm sorry if there's anything written incorrectly, English is not my native language
Who is the woman holding a dying person covered in blood?
@@rexibhazoboa7097that would be Daenys the dreamer. She’s the one that had the dream about the Doom in the first place. The guy she’s holding is either her father Aenar or her brother/husband Gaemon
I think you did wonderfully for a non native English speaker! I wouldn't try to write anything in whatever your language is! Bravo! 👏 👏 👏 👏
This was a really peak episode, so well made, now that Cole is hand of the king he can do whatever he wants essentially, that's what they show at the end, very well written.
True. Criston as Hand is now the 2nd highest authoritybehind the king only. He is higher than even Alicent and Aemond.
He is lowborn too. He might be the most powerful lowborn ever lol
Criston Cole projected onto Arryk so hard he almost started glowing
Larys WAS sprinkling seeds AND probably hoped he’d be picked as hand. His seed sprinkling super backfired though when it inadvertently sprouts Cole as hand. Lol
I think it might still turn in his favor since cristons plan failed miserably 😅 I don’t think aegon will keep him as a hand after he finds out about it🙈
😅😂😈
i think Larys knows that the only smart one that could see his schemes was Otto. with Otto gone, Larys can pull his strings however he likes.
I really thought he'd be HotK
Aegon is too stupid to even be manipulated properly lol
I love that both Greens and Blacks hate Criston Cole.
Same, I have favourite characters from both sides, but I find greens more interesting tbh
Prince Daeron Targeryen YEES the youngest child of Alicent and Viserys
🥺 I still love you brother
“I have sinned”
“I’m nosy I’d be like what is it” lmfaoo
😅😅
I think he said that because he already knows. He doesn’t want to hear it/discuss it with her, but he is already aware that she’s with Criston
“I nauurrrrr”
Good episode. I think Cole just sent one of the twins to death knowing it would fail.
So mad that he took his anger out on someone. Stellar acting from Rhaenyra, Aegon, Otto, and Cole.
It's not that he thought the mission would fail, it's that he doesn't care and it doesn't matter. If he succeeds well he's a hero and ended the war, if not oh well
i feel like part of it is because sir Arryk was actually representing dignity and honor and could put duty over his own personal feelings. Something that Cole is very much missing and sir Arryk is like a reminder of it.
@@wildpendulum Very well put.
Cole was projecting his own personal failures on Arryk
I've never EVER felt such strong feelings for a character on a show. Criston Cole is such a despicable and hypocritical character. What a slimeball.
The lowest of the low
Daemon told Blood and Cheese to go for Aemond, but he also told them "a son for a son". They said it themselves whilst holding the queen at knife point. Blood says "he said a son for a son. does she look like a ffffing son to you"
Exactly. They wouldn't know the phrase "a son for a son" if Daemon hadn't mentioned it.
I thought maybe when Helaena was looking up at the confetti she might have been seeing ashes, like when Dany goes to the house of the undying and goes into the throne room. But I dunno, just a thought really.
Well if I'm not mistaken Warren hall is supposed to basically be burned down...guess where daemon is going.....
@@sosayweall2509 Harrenhal was burned down by Aegon the Conqueror like 100 years ago
@@kylethompson3008wasn’t really ever burned down but yea messed up
@Caraxes_RoguePrince yeah, not completely. I think it was described as half melted candle sticks
@@sosayweall2509it's already been burned by this point.
This season is cooking 🔥🖤💚
Its soo boooring so far, unfortunately 🤷♂️
@@ventslietavietis3735 u lack the patience. These episodes are set ups for the coming battles.
Most people keep saying that because they expected it to be more gruesome which wasn’t really necessary. how does it make no sense if they’re just simply being introduced?
@@ventslietavietis3735 You probably loved GoT season 8...
It still amaze me that in 2024, some people don't know how to appreciate a good drama. They just want deaths battles and dragon
Jaqen H'ghar: Speak three names
and the man would do the rest.🐉🖤
1- Joffrey Baratheon
2- Ramsay Bolton
3- Criston Cole
You can see how Pudgey is invested in House Of The Dragon lmao, go girl give us content
04:50 The intro credits is a depiction of the history of House Targaryen, starting with Valyria and the doom to Aegons conquest (detailing all the battles and major events) to present day.
21:50 Stannis Baratheon, from 170 years in the future: "Hanged"
Yes, no wants to know if the ratcatchers were "hung".
@@mjbull5156 Speak for yourself.
"where were you?"
whole audience : "excellent question"
Otto was a few reasons away from sailing to dragonstone and serving Rhaenyra
Otto : ive made a mistake I heard your in need of a hand
@@thatoneblackdude3333 like he was truly going through it with each TG member😭😭
@@amnasiddique6886 daeron is his only hope at this point.
Yeah, If Alicent had told him about Her and Cole. Done
He would be dead quick lol
r.i.p. arryk & erryk --- the twins were duty-bound, loyal and honorable, but in this show threats to one's honor can make you the puppet of scoundrels.
They should have chose love over duty
The acting between Matt and Emma was incredible
While Rhaenyra comforted her son, Alycent just walked away to have se*..
aegon wasn't crying over those children he made and watched fight to the death in the fighting pits. i have no sympathy for him, sorry not sorry. sara hess just wanted more people to sympathize with her favorite rapist. womp womp. i love watching your reactions, see you next week!
Aegon was crying because he thought his father was the one who put him on the throne not a scheming grand father and mother...he now feels illegitimate
@@sosayweall2509he's crying over his kids, BTW aegon doesn't know about that bastard kid in the pits
@@sosayweall2509Agree. I believe Aegon is sad about his son but Otto revealing Viserys didn't choose him as king is why he was crying in that last scene.
Never thought I would feel empathy for Aegon II, but here we are, that took some damn fine writing & acting Tom Glynn-Carney was outstanding. It shows the generational trauma in the Greens: Otto refusing to listen to Alicent speak about a "sin" that's troubling her, followed by Alicent immediately turning her back on Aegon in his grief and suffering.
By the way, the cloth Helena was embroidering in the last episode becomes Jahareys funeral shroud in this episode, just in case your heart wasn't ripped to shreds for her already 😭 That poor girl knew what was going to happen, and did her best to communicate the danger to her son, poor Heleana.
Something to bear in mind: every new character we get introduced to is going to be very important. Seasmoke circling Alan of Hull overhead is telling you what's up.
Aegon is an extremely sympathetic character. Minus the whole sexual assault stuff and watching children fight to the death, I actually relate to him on a deep level
No sympathy. He only cares about his legacy & looking weak. He had his other kids in the fighting pit & he’s also a rapist lol
I hate Criston and not the hot twins! 😭😭😭😭😭
Can't wait for Pudge to call Cristen Cole a Sneaky snake!!😊
I love how everyone calls Coles plan stupid, but it would have worked if Mysaria didn’t randomly stumble upon Ser Arryk when she was about to leave Dragonstone😅
True. In other movies where someone can shape-shift, no one says it's stupid
Most people are saying it's dumb because they dislike Criston Cole. Just projecting their feelings towards him even though it actually wasn't a dumb plan.
If the chick didn't randomly see the twin coming, Rhaenyra would've been slain
@@KAlbert_It was dumb not to tell anyone. You’d also have to hope they still look the same. Wasn’t worth the risk.
@@sproductionsinc I agree that they should have talked with the hand and the small council before, but I don’t think the plan itself was that stupid. It was a low risk, high reward plan.
It shouldn’t have been that easy but that’s bad writing imo (luck and convenience for drama) how’re they still dressed exactly the same, no shave or haircut. Sure fine, but then give your twin a word or something. They know he’s a twin 😂
@@James58Rams yeah it’s pretty stupid that they still dressed the same and kept the same haircut, beard etc 😂
4:51 That is the Doom of Valyria. The massive apocalyptic event that whipped out the Targaryen's people the Valyrians and led to them coming to Westeros.
Rather than do the SMART thing and round up all the ratcatchers, then have Blood point out his accomplice, Aegon just went and killed the dude during the funeral procession and decided to hang all the INNOCENT ratcatchers in order to get ONE guilty person. He's brilliant, right? smh
You really think Aegon left Blood alive after that scene? That's cute lol
I might be team black but house green won the acting in this episode. The actors who play Aegon, Otto, and Alicent were Emmy worthy this episode. Especially Aegon and Otto. Aegon was bordering on Joffrey levels of hate for me last episodes and this episode I reared up twice in scenes with him screaming.
The way both Pudgey and Spartan sway their heads to the theme song! 😂
Daemon’s words weren’t vague. He said “A Son of a Son”, if Aemond couldn’t be found. Jaehaerys was the only other possible option fitting that description, as Daemon couldn’t realistically have expected Blood and Cheese to successfully go after the King, who has Kingsguard protection 24/7. Daemon is fully to blame, he specifically set up Jaehaerys as the backup revenge.
Criston Cole is the master projectionist - what an utter hypocrite - no wonder he is hated - well done to the Actor for doing such an amazing job on that! Fantastic at his craft
And now the actor of criston cole, fabien is being harassed and insulted on the internet.
that's so ridiculous
Cole deserves it
@@MilwaukheheHe is not Cole. Cole is not real.
thank the show writers, they demonized his character beyond belief.... he is not a cartoon villain like the show depicts him
@@whatisreddin7367 Why would we blame the show writers for idiot fans that can't separate an actor from the character they are told to portray? What kind of nonsense logic is that?
“Ser crispin wasn’t it” “ah yes I couldn’t recall” what a coward. Team black forever 🏴🏴🏴
hes a coward but not the serial infant decapitators ? theyre so fond of killing toddlers that the writers had to remove a whole 2nd son of aegon just to cut the scene where rhaenyra puts a bounty on his head
17:58 nope he’s just a hypocrite and wants to find a way to get out his anger of himself for letting the murder happen cause he was defiling his vows, so he’s deflecting onto Arryk
Sssssssneaky little sssssssnake! Idk why I made this comment. I'm just tired. I'll watch the rest of this video when I wake up, it be 1 in the morning where I am. 🐍 💜
Daemon doesn't want the throne! Viserys even said it in the pilot episode, he doesn't have the patience for it.
How many times has that man been placing crowns on other people's heads?
He only seeks glory for his house and is rather proud of his heritage.
He just has no control over his impulses which makes him quite dangerous (like a dragon)
How could that monster so callously destroy Viserys' beloved Valyria lego set?
Seeing her in the beginning Helena so shut down is only her shock on the outside. Just imagine what’s going on in her heart and mind. She had to pick which child was to die then had to hear the sound of her child’s flesh being cut through as she runs grasping her other child.
I’m with you Pudgey. I really really love Alicent’s character, but going back to Criston is just plain out frustrating. I actually hate it from a writing standpoint (I don’t care if it’s in the book). And also agree with Spartan. Criston pisses me off the most.
I love Team Green, absolutely love them. They're FAR more interesting, damaged and complex (Aegon, Helena and Aemond). Their political movers are FAR more cunning/clever (Otto and Club Foot) and FAR more conniving (Cole and Alicent). It's no surprise they were able to usurp the throne, all the studs are on their side. If they stick to showing more Team Green in these episodes than Team Black, the show becomes more Game of Thrones-y IMO. Black Team just has Dragons and an unhinged lunatic going for them. They're frankly quite bland and uninspired otherwise and boring to follow.
Anyway, LOVE this episode!!!!!
Team Black sends someone to murder children, but Team Green are awful because a widow and an already sullied knight (courtesy of Rhaenyra) are smashing on the side? It's amazing how the show will lead people emotionally, no matter how little sense it makes.
And Daemon's words were not vague. He explicitly told them "a son for a son" if they could not find Aemond.
lol at people acting like alicent having sex is the biggest crime of the season. its kind of obvious her relationship w criston is about feeling some control or power over at least one aspect of her life. that dynamic will probably shift now that cristons hand and has more power than she does.
I think more people don't dislike the fact she is getting some it's the fact that she chooses to do so instead of being a good mother to her grieving children. She got her parenting style from Otto.
The self righteous hypocrisy is what people have a problem with
@@Lostmonster i mean its not like she was presented with the choices a) have sex or b) comfort aegon. she goes to aegon to (i assume) reprimand him for firing otto, sees him crying and struggles to comfort him (she has always struggled with showing aegon any love, even in s1). then she goes to her bedroom to find criston sitting there and then she takes the anger she has at herself out at him and then they have sex. thats just how the events unfolded, she didn't pick one over the other. her choice in that moment was reprimand aegon or comfort him and she chose neither, just as otto did. like you said, the cycle goes on and on... we see the same unfold with aegon and helaena who can't even speak to each other.
@@user-luciddream she struggles showing any of her kids love, that's why they are how they are. She doesn't comfort Aegon, she forces Helaena to suffer through a public event she doesnt want to attend, Aemond finds comfort in a brothel with a surrogate mother. She's a horrible mother just like Cersei and just like Cersei she will be the cause of all her children's deaths.
@@Lostmonster there are scenes where she comforts or tries to comfort aemond and helaena. in ep6 when aemond is bullied, she comforts him. in ep8, she hugs helaena after finding out aegon raped a maid. in ep9, she tries to comfort helaena after viserys death but she rejects her touch. in s2x02 during the funeral, she tries to comfort and calm helaena down. there aren’t any scenes where she reaches out to aegon in that way, in 2x02 she clearly wants to comfort him by the look on her face but she just can’t. shes bad at comforting all of them but shes especially terrible with aegon. i think trying to explore the psychology behind that beyond the simple “shes just a bad mother” explanation (which is correct but theres more to that) would make a way more interesting conversation.
aemond reaching out to the brothel lady seems to be a recent development, the lady says “oh how you’ve grown” in ep9 which implies this is her first time seeing him in years. this is probably caused by alicent being disappointed with him after he murdered lucerys. hes no longer the golden child (alicent relies on him in ep9) compared to aegon the disappointment child.
alicent also doesn’t want to do the funeral but she feels its her and helaenas duty as queens, i think maybe at some point during the season she will realise that duty is a bunch of BS and all her sacrifices and suffering were all for nothing. this will send her through a downward spiral.
I would not call it a decision. Alicent just gave in to Ser Cristen or better to her own desire.
I am team black from the start, but now after what Daemon is at least responsible for (kiiling of the child) they are less appealing.
But how is that surprising?
They are all Targaryen! F**** them! I am team Stark all the way! :)
Otto overreacted. It was just the second time when Aegon didn't listen to him, the first time was him giving money to the smiths.
Plus Otto did the same in ep 9 when ser Caswell was hanging in the castle. Aegon killed like what, 10 ratcatchers? And it would destroy his reputation? Nobody gives a damn, especially noble families who do similar things on daily basis. Plus Otto killed nobles in ep 9, so how can be so harsh on Aegon ?
Otto really expected a grieving father with a cruel streak to act rationally. He calls Aegon a fool, but he’s the only one they have to blame for this situation. Aegon didn’t want to be king, and now it has cost him his son. He has no interest in being a pawn anymore.
Also bringing up Viserys’s neglectful ass in front of his kid is absolutely foul.
Alicent was forced to have kids with Viserys, so she hasn't really been a mother to them. You can see how she can't comfort Aegon and how Aemond seeks motherly comfort from an older woman in a brothel. The show is an excellent dive into medieval vs modern ethics and the psychology they produce. People are bothered by bastards, while Jace, Luke and Joffrey were raised with love and attention by 3 parents. Meanwhile, Aegon and Aemond were ignored by both parents because the reason for their existence is to be succession spares. Otto thought he could make a person listen to him without building an actual relationship to him. And now, Aegon and Cole, the two stupidest people of the Greens are in charge. Good job Otto and Alicent!
Daemon did say 'a son for a son'. So saying it was just a miscommunication is letting him off the hook a little too easy. He should be aware of the consequences of his words. He has a child's blood on his hands and Pudgey saying that it wasnt as bad as what Cole did this in the episode (and throwing Alicent into the mix as well) is ridiculous. I know hes a cool character and you two support the Blacks but dont blindly whitewash over their behaviour.
It’s not so much Cole was supposed to be at haelenas door.. like Arryk said, why hadn’t she been appointed a sworn protector? He was just bad at his job in that regard but it is his fault
Alt Shift X made a good spoiler-free breakdown of the intro sequence if you want to know more about what you are seeing. Its a lot of the past history Valyria and the Targaryens.
Yeah that was textbook projection from Criston Cole. He is so full of guilt and self hate that he was talking to himself but looking at Arrik.
Cole screwed the king and the queen in one episode! I mean how stupid can Aegon be? Cole was the commander of his guard and on his watch they killed his son. Instead of killing him he made him his hand?
Alicent is a horrible and a hypocrite person, not to mention Cole, notice the difference between Rhaenyra and Alicent when comforting their childs in their griefs.
The crazieness of Aegon and Aemond are a reflection on her and Otto’s parenthood
Aegon is just a boy who was forced to uphold such burden and duty despite never being prepared for it.
He lost a son and now acting only based on a grief and blinded by vengeance and that's not good.
Daemon wasn't looking for a strategic move though. He wanted pure revenge, he didn't care if it benefited them or not
Daemon wanted to goad the greens into overreacting...it would make it really hard for them to curry support from.kingdoms that were on the fence
@@sosayweall2509not true at all daemon literally denies this
Not true he literally asked for aemond
@@Caraxes_RoguePrince Keep coping little guy
@@MMAisTHEbestSPORT08 thanks little guy
Aemond is pretending to be the hard guy and has layers beneith he tries to cover. It seems like he had a bad relationship with his mother aswell as he had time with a prosti... who was well older. Kinda looking for a mother figure.
Right, so Daemon that ordered the death of a child possibly is less terrible than Alicent. Interesting blaming the victims
alicent likely walked away as she came to manipulate aegon and saw him crying and wasn't able to do so and left off.
I can't feel bad for Aegon, sry but he use to watch kids fighting, also he has so many basters that he doesn not care about..
is it just me or does anyone else find it so endearing that Pudgey says her name like a question? "and I'm Pudgey?"