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@@2ndairborneguy790 lol he doesn't but I gotta give the man props for that lol. Telling the SITH LORD VADER to "Figure it out" in terms of the whole pyramid thing like....I mean I wouldn't be able to do that lol. Rebels really isn't that bad-it has problems but it's not god awful.
@@TheRibottoStudios It's not awful but it's pretty mediocre. At best. I'm just kind of tired of people pretending that its anything more than a saturday cartoon with star wars slapped onto it.
The Ventress arc was 8 episodes. And the arc of the sisters was necessary for Ahsoka (not like the Ventress arc) They also wanted to adapt the Bad Batch arc because it focused on Rex and the clones. With those pivotal arcs and just a limit of 12 episodes there was no way of adapting it
@@adarkwind4712 Well, for starters to explain why and how she ended up helping Bo-Katan with the Mandalore business. We also nedeed to catch up to Ahsoka after season 5 and the showed the bigger scale of things of how out of touch the Jedi are with the average citizen on Coruscant. Trace and Rafa are foils to Ahsoka. Trace represents pretty much how she was at the beginning of the story and Rafa is what she could become. After Ahsoka left the Order she was pretty much lost (these people that she thought were her family and this believes that she had and ruled her life fell down) , like she said herself she has to figure stuff on her own, being with the sisters gave her more resolution, and allowed her to accept the fact that even if she ain't a jedi anymore she can still act as a jedi should act.
Clone wars produced not one but TWO of my favorite characters who both happen to be female....but Disney tells me I suck because I don’t like Mary Sue Rey or any of their other crap characters
@@Unknown-hb3id I miss Leia from the OT. Her spunkiness completely vanished in the sequels, and I hate the idea that her and Han would split. The idea that no one would support her for years, or the fact that she sat there and allowed the Empire to come back makes me roll my eyes.
I’m pretty sure it’s because she’s only been featured in the Clone Wars era. It kinda sucks because her character gets very interesting but only towards the middle and end of the show.
1. There are too many episodes in that arc to fit in the final season we got. 2. Ventress has nothing to do with The Siege of Mandalore. Ahsoka does and it was important to catch up with her before the finale. 3. We’ve already gotten that story in book form, Dark Disciple.
@@ajzeg01 I agree . This season was about the main rex, maul and ahsoka and the arcs they did with them at first seemed filler but as the season went on it all led to the siege of mandalore so if they did the ventress arc instead of ahsoka's and the martez sisters it wouldn't have made sense and if they added her arc to the 3 arcs this season ,it would have felt filler.
@Lionard Kirsch ventress had no place in this season. If they had an arc about her they would have had to include her in the siege of mandalore which would have made absolutely no sense
It simply couldn't happen, there were only 12 episodes and the big finale was the Siege Of Mandalore ( to make it emotionally impactful enough it was necessary to focus on Ahsoka and Rex)
Too bad she was just abandoned in the season 7 of The Clone Wars. I know that her story continues in a book or a comic, but if you start a story in one medium, in this case the tv show, then you should finish it in that same medium.
Itsjoeyourbro Disney just didn’t wanna fund the shows final season that much. I’m sure filoni and the team, if given the time and resources, would’ve finalized the unreleased arcs. Kennedy...why
I didn't care much about Ventress when I saw her in the Clone Wars movie. I thought she was a boring villian and her design was an insult to the eyes. But as time went on I at first thought she was actually a lot of fun, and then interesting, and now she's one of my favorite star wars characters. Also, her design improved drastically.
Asajj Ventress was a very interesting character in my opinion. Though she may not have had as much screen time as characters like Ahsoka, She still had great character development. I would personally give her a B+.
Man bless you Obi wan and Ventress were so great and the Tragic they mirro themself Obi wan could see in Ventress how much a jedi can fall and Ventress see in him how much a jedi can be
I am with you Thor. In another timeline I would’ve love to see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Asaj Ventress together on Tatooine looking after Luke. Maybe even have a kid of their own.
In my timeline I saw Ezra Bridger and Thrawn finding another passage to the World between Worlds out in the unknown region. Everyone that you thought disappeared to become one with the force ( Luke, Obi Wan, Yoda) were just being pulled into World between Worlds by Thrawn and Ezra. That is why Yoda seem to go downhill so fast between the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ezra had already visited Yoda and told him that he needed him to save the galaxy. So Yoda faked dying so that Ezra could pull him out of the timeline just like he did Obi-Wan when he was facing Vader. Also Luke Skywalker did not die in the last Jedi. That was Ezra pulling him from the timeline to the World between Worlds. That’s how you explain Ewan Mcgregor’s ...Obi Wan fighting beside older Mark Hamill’s ....Luke Skywalker.
She’s definitely one of my favourite clones Wars characters she’s strong,badass, interesting and kinda underrated I wish her arc would have made it into season 7 She’s in many ways like Anakin if you think about it born a slave, becomes a Jedi, falls to the dark side, dies to protect the one they love and returning to the light
She's every bit as great of a character as Ahsoka, and the ultimate foil to her at the same time. Two sides of the same coin, in more ways than one. It's a shame the Dark Disciple ark was never finished in animated form, but it still gives her a substantial boost
It's characters like Ventress that show just how little the majority of fans know about characters who were originally from the old EU. Ventress was first introduced in the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project where she makes her first on-screen appearance in the Clone Wars miniseries and the Dark Horse Clone Wars graphic novel volumes. While a bit one-note and nothing more than a simple pawn in the Sith's game in the miniseries, the graphic novels take this idea and then make us care about her, not by her actions but by the people she interacts with namely Obi-Wan and Anakin. Both characters interact differently with her with Obi-Wan seeing her as someone to be pitied and redeemed after discovering that she was once trained as a Jedi but whose master was murdered before she was ready but could still be turned back from the dark side, while Anakin sees her as a threat to everyone around him and as a source of pain in his life as she had captured and tortured Obi-Wan, killed Jedi in front of him, and even threatened Padmé (during this moment Obi-Wan was advocating to the Jedi Council to knight Anakin for all of the good things he's done, meanwhile Anakin was Force throwing Ventress, binding her in power lines, and throwing her off of a building). Ventress hates both because she doesn't want to feel pitied and both are the only Jedi to have ever defeated her in battle (meanwhile TCW doesn't show her to be all that dangerous of a villain as she doesn't kill any Jedi whatsoever, just nameless clones). Her only loyalty is to Dooku (who doesn't train her as a Sith, merely an acolyte) but her constant failures at the hands of Obi-Wan and Anakin force him to dispose of her and he has her killed. She fakes her death and her story is left open-ended. Essentially, Ventress got the Grievous treatment in TCW where her story was already interesting and still full of possibilities but her character was changed, her motivations were shifted, there was no explanation for the animosity between her and Anakin or the flirtation between her and Obi-Wan. And she is treated as only threatening to clones all of the Jedi that she interacts with survive their encounters with her. I personally would've liked to have seen a TCW story that showcases a Jedi Padawan whose master was killed by Ventress during the war and they go against the Jedi Council's orders to pursue her while drifting closer and closer to the dark side. When they finally catch up to her, she sees in them a reflection of herself, maybe even explain to them how their stories are similar (rather than the simple and easy flashback sequence) but she kills them anyway as that is how far gone she is. Her origins as a Nightsister are not revealed (because that doesn't make any sense for anyone who knows about Nightsisters and about Ventress) and she remains as something of a mystery.
Are we talking Grievous in the main Clone Wars series? Or the animated one from the Clone Wars micro series? Cause one is *significantly* more intimidating than the other.
Morrille Nagy nah, the only chapter in which he wasn’t intimidating was the one with the Gungans and unfortunately that’s what everyone seems to remember. The two times in which he almost killed Ahsoka and Kenobi, Eeth Koth and Fisto? Or even Maul in Son Of Dathomir? Nah that never happened.
@@DiZtheJedi "Filoni! Why did you not make me badass like Tartakovsky did! I am far more badass than that bald witch! After I deal with you, I will add her lightsabers to my collection!" - General Grievous
@@Dass_Jennir The only time I found him intimidating was in Tartakovsky's series. Then Revenge of the Sith happened and he became a joke, and to me and many others, he never recovered. So, to me, he was only an impressive being when used by Tartakovsky. And even if I did like him more in the second Clone Wars series, I didn't say that he wasn't intimidating in that series; just that he was *more* intimidating in the first one.
In the first 2 seasons she was a pretty generic villain, great chemistry between the characters she fights, but from season 3 onward she becomes a very dynamic character. It’s a shame her story was never truly concluded in the Clone wars show.
Have you done Cad Bane yet? He’s a really good character and is pretty underrated since he hasn’t appeared in anything mainstream. I think he’s a solid and interesting character since he’s clever than most. If you were to grade him I’d give him a B/B-
Sorry to keep bringing up 2003, but I also liked how Ventress acted as a true Sith assassin. In the 2008 cartoon, although I don’t remember much, I never really got the feeling she was an assassin, someone who stayed in the shadows and manipulated any situation she found to her advantage. In the 2003 cartoon, she was calculating and efficient, I think, and especially in the few comics I read, she turns to brutal methods and torture to get the information she wants. I remember reading about her torture of the ARC Commander Alpha and Obi-Wan rescuing him, which also established Kenobi’s involvement with Ventress, as if Ventress was a constant reminder to Kenobi of what Anakin could be if he slipped up as Anakin’s master. That’s just my headcanon of the character though since my mind isn’t restricted by 20-minute intervals and such that comes from being a tv show, I see Ventress as almost the opposite of Grievous: Grievous was meant to be the face of the opposition and a threat to peace while Ventress stayed in the background preforming important tasks in secret. That’s at least my view of the character.
I was hoping you'd touch on the proto Ventresses in the prequel era media. Aurra Sing, a pale bald women was given the exact same backstory as Ventress; a former padawan who believed the jedi betrayed and abandoned her after she lost her master years before Ventress was created. Her creation being one of the concept designers working for George Lucas on Attack of the Clones really wanted the next Sith lord to be a female. Proto Ventress and a fembot were considered before Lucas decided on Christopher Lee for the Count Dooku role. Then there's Komari Vosa from the Bounty Hunter game, who was inspired by the Ventress concept art for Attack of the Clones. Ventress proper wouldn't actually come into her own until the Dark Horse Clone Wars comic run, which would influence Genndy Tartakovsky to put her in his micro series.
We must remember that original Ventress character development and story were made by authors of Star Wars: Republic comic series introducing her backstory, being Nightsister, death of her Jedi Master, going to the dark side, relationship with Obi Wan, Dooku's betrayal and her leaving the war behind. 👍 Dave Filoni only modified and build on it.
I feel like I may be one of the outliers here but I actually really didn’t like Dark Disciple. Part of this is because that I loved the way Quinlan Vos’ story ended on Legends, but also I would’ve preferred having Ventress survive the war. I also felt that their “romance” was a bit silly and YA-esque. I would much rather have kept the characters of Tholme and Khaleen Hentz in the picture, as well as referencing Quin’s previous history with Dooku and the dark side. And seeing a one-sided/unrequited love on behalf of Ventress would have been very interesting to see.
I would rank her as the best female character from the clone wars. Sorry Ashoka fans but Ventress is much more complex and interesting chracter. I have her on the list of my favourite characters since season 3.
I didn't care for Dark Disciple, you guys should check out the OG Republic/Clone Wars comics, it's what the book was based off and Vos, and most of the Jedi who only show up a few times in the show are much more fleshed out. Vos and Ventress get better endings too.
She doesn't get a proper introduction in the 2008 series. Which is why I consider the 2003 clone wars volume 1 canon and the beginning of volume 2 with Anakin's knighting, and the battle of coruscant canon. In the 2008 series Ventress, Anakin, and Obi-Wan are already well acquainted.
To quote Jensaarai1: "Ventress in Legends was effectively Dooku's pet serial killer, a deeply disturbed individual who would've been a natural fit for NBC's Hannibal, by contrast Ventress in Canon is a weak pantomime villain jumping from one parental substitute to the next, spending most of her run as a disposable lackey to whoever she happened to be serving, and when she finally stepped up and started calling her own shots, she got herself horrifically murdered. In essence, the writers of TCW got Ventress's character ass-backwards, stripped her of her iconic weapons, stripped her of her iconic appearance, then killed her off in a crappy Harley Quinn-style romance novel."
You would think that she the "sexy assassin" type (Ex: Catwoman, Black Widow, Black Cat , Widow Maker...), but in her fights with Obi Was is him who keeps flirting just to piss her off XD hahaha
Listening to this video, it got me thinking about how Ventress and agent Kallus were functionally the same character for the first half of their shows basically. They were there specifically to contrast the ridiculously not dangerous bad guy food soldiers (B1 and stormtrooper). It was "Ok. Ventress/Kallus is involved. It won't be strictly good guy rolling the comic relief. Kind of like how in drawn out lightsaber duel, when one character starts dual wielding (ugh) sabers as if "Oh. It's on now. Before it was off. Now it's on."
I prefer the Dark Horse storyline more, but the character was done justice in the CW series. I do not care for the romance with her & Vos, His relationship with Khaleen is too ingrained in me. The comics were also open ended so in EU she is still out there.
Excellent character who changes quite a bit during the show, she's dark, sexy, funny, can mix it with the best of them, and she has some depth. B for me - oh and she deserves a better ending than The Dark Disciple stuff.
I love Ventress! Ever since her first banter-full battle with Obi-Wan. She's such a badass... And then her full backstory was great (albeit too fast) Edit: and yes! That alternate universe shipping sounds great!
I first saw her in the 2003 Clone wars and loved the design and then I loved how her character played out in the 'Clone Wars' comic that came out in the years that followed. Loved the character and how she was portrayed and handled. While I prefer that version to the newer iteration the new version is also good. Probably because they seemed to respect the material that came before, even if they didn't stick with it 100%.
I liked him more than any other inquisitor except Trilla (but she is in a game so it doesnt count), i allways thought why the 2 inquisitors of the season 2 would be a worthy enemy if Kanan already defeated the Grand Inquisitor, he should have been introduced later
We need a petition to get dark disciple animated or something lol. It was sadly a missed opportunity for season 7 of TCW (Although I’m still happy with what we got). It would manage to keep people on Disney+ and continue to mend the gap between Disney and the fans. Win-win, Disney just has to see it.
I really liked the character of Asajj and her banter with Obi Wan was very entertaining to watch. Although I'll be honest. In my opinion Asajj was misscharacterized in Dark Desciple. I think that there are better ways to conclude her character. But still I consider her to be an amazing character.
As much as I love having a double dose of Ashoka in season 7, had they taken out the Martez arc and given us even a 4 part Dark Disciple it would have been a lot better
@@ajzeg01 yes. I know this. As I stated "even a 4 part" knowing full well how long it was supposed to be, but I would have been ok with a shortened version
I would like to see a dark side mini series. Some episodes about Ventress, some about Dooku, some about Maul, ones about Vader. Hell, a multi-season series where they start around Plagueis and moved forward chronologically and showed how they found and trained their apprentices would even be cool
Great character. I always looked forward to her on CW.As the series went on her story developed.She truly was a tragic figure.Sure would love to see Filoni finish her story.
Dark Disciple is too long to fit, plus we already got that story in the book. Besides, like it or not, it was important to catch up with Ahsoka before the finale.
@@ajzeg01 Being in a book isn't a substitute for an actual ending in the show. Also it definitely wasn't that important to waste 4 episodes like they did just to "catch up" with Ahsoka.
ajzeg01 bro that ahsoka arc was a waste Wym. If it was only the last two episodes I wouldn’t of had a problem. We should of gotten son of dathomir arc instead
ventress is very similar to zuko from the last airbender except in terms of betrayal and being cast aside, which is a super interesting directorial connection with filoni.
I gave her a B because I didn't like the way her arc just dropped off the planet at the end. But she definitely had A potential. The first time I started watching clone Wars I saw maybe 10 or 15 random episodes and wasn't really sucked in. In preparation for the final season I decided to give it another try and started from the beginning and her arc was amazing. Just the handful of episodes with her going back to her planet and the witches was really spectacular and so interesting to see how they used an aspect of the force without simply being another offshoot of the Jedi. When her entire people were wiped out by dooku you really could feel her pain and isolation. I loved how they introduced Savage through her and then reintroduced Maul through him. It was easily the best work of the series before the last four episodes. It's just a shame they chose not to explore her arc further in season 6 instead of some of the plot filler we got.
You should do a series of ~30-45 min videos where you summarize a whole book. Dark Disciple, Master & Apprentice, Ahsoka, etc. And please do Jar Jar next I’m genuinely serious.
I didn’t care for her in the early seasons, but she’s great later on and in the Dark Disciple book. Dooku: Jedi Lost too! That audio drama is very underrated.
Asajj Ventress is a lesson for the creators and writers of Game of Thrones! You can start off with a character that's bad for the sake of being bad but with a bit of creativity you can transform her into something more complex and multi dimensional, unlike the night King!
They should make the Dark Disciple into a prequel spinoff movie. Not only would it wrap up her story arc on screen but live action Quinlan Vos, yes please. Though I doubt it could be done without Christopher Lee.
I missed her so much. She was a sweetheart kind of character. I prefer her with hair instead of being bald. I wanted to see the arc with her and Quinlan Vos.
Idk if many will see this. But ventress really helps solidify the fall of the jedi council. In the ark where ahsoka goes on the run, she become a better judge of character than the council and this is solidified when anakin begins to believe her
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Thor Skywalker So it’s time. We need to cover the best Star Wars character ever:
Hondo Ohnaka
Mara jade skywalker. We can do this
A shame her story wasn’t shown finished in the clone wars
Well the dark deciple is still a good book.
@@troo_6656 and would have been *very* toned down if actually made into episodes
That’s a story for another time...
Scott Churchman I still want it in animated form. It’s just right to finish her story in the show.
@@punctuationman334 as if Disney would allow an arc with drugs, alcohol, sex, genocide, assassination, murder, exploring the darkside ect.
"If you're lying, you're DEAD."
"Such promises."
I mean....come on. She's so badass.
Yeah, imagine standing up to the future Vader like that.
@@2ndairborneguy790 the only other person to snark back to VADER would be Ezra Bridger lol. Damn. Gotta give him props.
@@TheRibottoStudios yeah, except Ezra was a dumbass who had no grounds to sass Vader. Vader was amazing in Rebels, despite the shows many flaws.
@@2ndairborneguy790 lol he doesn't but I gotta give the man props for that lol. Telling the SITH LORD VADER to "Figure it out" in terms of the whole pyramid thing like....I mean I wouldn't be able to do that lol. Rebels really isn't that bad-it has problems but it's not god awful.
@@TheRibottoStudios It's not awful but it's pretty mediocre. At best. I'm just kind of tired of people pretending that its anything more than a saturday cartoon with star wars slapped onto it.
I love that Ventress is a throwaway character until she actually gets thrown away. In the words of The Senate,"Ironic."
It’s a crime we got those irritating sisters instead of an conclusion to Ventress’ story.
There are so many stories that they could have told.
Talleyrand. Hopefully that may yet still come to be. Fingers crossed
The Ventress arc was 8 episodes. And the arc of the sisters was necessary for Ahsoka (not like the Ventress arc) They also wanted to adapt the Bad Batch arc because it focused on Rex and the clones. With those pivotal arcs and just a limit of 12 episodes there was no way of adapting it
The Unknown User why was it necessary? What did they do that wasn’t already done.
@@adarkwind4712 Well, for starters to explain why and how she ended up helping Bo-Katan with the Mandalore business. We also nedeed to catch up to Ahsoka after season 5 and the showed the bigger scale of things of how out of touch the Jedi are with the average citizen on Coruscant. Trace and Rafa are foils to Ahsoka. Trace represents pretty much how she was at the beginning of the story and Rafa is what she could become. After Ahsoka left the Order she was pretty much lost (these people that she thought were her family and this believes that she had and ruled her life fell down) , like she said herself she has to figure stuff on her own, being with the sisters gave her more resolution, and allowed her to accept the fact that even if she ain't a jedi anymore she can still act as a jedi should act.
Clone wars produced not one but TWO of my favorite characters who both happen to be female....but Disney tells me I suck because I don’t like Mary Sue Rey or any of their other crap characters
Amen to that. And Leia was a badass treasure from the start as well.
@@Unknown-hb3id I miss Leia from the OT. Her spunkiness completely vanished in the sequels, and I hate the idea that her and Han would split. The idea that no one would support her for years, or the fact that she sat there and allowed the Empire to come back makes me roll my eyes.
@@swaggasaurus4837 Exactly!
@@swaggasaurus4837 ST literally reset Han and made Leia and Luke into completely different characters to show fake "aging".
@@swaggasaurus4837 Yep. Even after they went through hellish conflicts and tragedies in the EU, I'm pretty sure they stayed together.
She's definitely a great character. It's such a shame she's so underrepresented now.
I’m pretty sure it’s because she’s only been featured in the Clone Wars era. It kinda sucks because her character gets very interesting but only towards the middle and end of the show.
The Black Series and updated The Vintage Collection figures never ever :(
It's still killing me that we got the Martez sisters instead of Ventress' final arc.
1. There are too many episodes in that arc to fit in the final season we got.
2. Ventress has nothing to do with The Siege of Mandalore. Ahsoka does and it was important to catch up with her before the finale.
3. We’ve already gotten that story in book form, Dark Disciple.
@@ajzeg01 I agree . This season was about the main rex, maul and ahsoka and the arcs they did with them at first seemed filler but as the season went on it all led to the siege of mandalore so if they did the ventress arc instead of ahsoka's and the martez sisters it wouldn't have made sense and if they added her arc to the 3 arcs this season ,it would have felt filler.
Oh you don't like space burritos?
@Lionard Kirsch it could have been shorter but it was not filler because it introsuced us to ahsoka s new life and made her learn a new perspective
@Lionard Kirsch ventress had no place in this season. If they had an arc about her they would have had to include her in the siege of mandalore which would have made absolutely no sense
Arcs that should have made it to The Clone Wars:
-Son of Dathomir
-Dark Disciple
Dark Disciple was too mature to put onto the show
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Arcs that should have made it into The Clone Wars:
-Every single arc that was originally planned before cancellation
It simply couldn't happen, there were only 12 episodes and the big finale was the Siege Of Mandalore ( to make it emotionally impactful enough it was necessary to focus on Ahsoka and Rex)
@@theunknownuser9609 Two words: Lost Missions.
Asajj Ventress was a great character in terms of backstory, design and fight scenes.
Her fight with Anakin in the 2003 Clone Wars was gold.
It truly is. It's chock-full of visual metaphors and storytelling.
Ah good ol Yavin
Derek Lopez yup. I personally still consider it canon.
Derek Lopez absolutely legendary
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Especially the animation, it is very Samurai Jack style...Genndy Tartakovsky is a legend.
I kind of still feel like Mauls rating would probably have been higher if we got to vote for him after the latest Clone Wars season.
Definitely,the final arc did him some well deserved justice
Too bad she was just abandoned in the season 7 of The Clone Wars. I know that her story continues in a book or a comic, but if you start a story in one medium, in this case the tv show, then you should finish it in that same medium.
I’m glad somebody else believes this!
@@TheJoeJoe323 A lot of us believe her story should have been finished unfortunately were not going to see it happen! Damn shame!
Itsjoeyourbro Disney just didn’t wanna fund the shows final season that much. I’m sure filoni and the team, if given the time and resources, would’ve finalized the unreleased arcs. Kennedy...why
@@jlee_1740 Because it makes her look bad everything of hers has been controversial and a failure!
Accourding to rumors, she MAY get her big finish.
I didn't care much about Ventress when I saw her in the Clone Wars movie. I thought she was a boring villian and her design was an insult to the eyes. But as time went on I at first thought she was actually a lot of fun, and then interesting, and now she's one of my favorite star wars characters. Also, her design improved drastically.
Yeah I agery with that
Asajj Ventress was a very interesting character in my opinion. Though she may not have had as much screen time as characters like Ahsoka, She still had great character development. I would personally give her a B+.
Yep. If the Dark Disciple book had been added into TCW, she would have easily been an A.
Dude she's sooooo COOL. And all her saber fights are so entertaining.
I agree and her teaming up with obi wan against mual and his brother was the best.
I wanted to see Ventress & Ahsoka and/or Ventress & Vos instead of the spice runner sisters. 😥
I highly AGREE!!
The prequels/clone wars gave us so many fantastic characters. Compare that era to the sequel era
Compare Disney sequel era with Dark horse legacy comics
What is it with obi wan and his enemies: maul, ventress and grievous all have odd relationships with him
It's cos Obi Wan can be a big troll lolol
And plus Obi Wan has a thing for cutting sith lords limbs of, for example: Mual, Vader and Darth Krayt.
Obi-Wan had em all!
he's the best character that's why
I was really disappointed they didn’t do the quinlin vos story line in the final season of clone wars
Man bless you Obi wan and Ventress were so great and the Tragic they mirro themself
Obi wan could see in Ventress how much a jedi can fall and Ventress see in him how much a jedi can be
I don't see her as a hero I see her more as a anti hero
I am with you Thor. In another timeline I would’ve love to see Obi-Wan Kenobi and Asaj Ventress together on Tatooine looking after Luke. Maybe even have a kid of their own.
Would the kid have both the mother's mustache tattoo and father's wooden beard?
In my timeline I saw Ezra Bridger and Thrawn finding another passage to the World between Worlds out in the unknown region. Everyone that you thought disappeared to become one with the force ( Luke, Obi Wan, Yoda) were just being pulled into World between Worlds by Thrawn and Ezra. That is why Yoda seem to go downhill so fast between the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Ezra had already visited Yoda and told him that he needed him to save the galaxy. So Yoda faked dying so that Ezra could pull him out of the timeline just like he did Obi-Wan when he was facing Vader. Also Luke Skywalker did not die in the last Jedi. That was Ezra pulling him from the timeline to the World between Worlds. That’s how you explain Ewan Mcgregor’s ...Obi Wan fighting beside older Mark Hamill’s ....Luke Skywalker.
There's some GREAT fanfiction online. Just look for Ventrobi or Obisajj. I've never shipped anyone ... except these 2 hotties!
She’s definitely one of my favourite clones Wars characters she’s strong,badass, interesting and kinda underrated
I wish her arc would have made it into season 7
She’s in many ways like Anakin if you think about it born a slave, becomes a Jedi, falls to the dark side, dies to protect the one they love and returning to the light
She's every bit as great of a character as Ahsoka, and the ultimate foil to her at the same time. Two sides of the same coin, in more ways than one. It's a shame the Dark Disciple ark was never finished in animated form, but it still gives her a substantial boost
Ventress: You suggest we run?
Obi-Wan: I learned from watching you.
Ventress: Funny.
Ventress: "i want that back"
Obi-wan: "Don't worry, red is not my colour"
Thanks Disney for not letting us see dark disciple book and the maul comic as episodes
I could not have said that any better!!
Grievous Reborn and crystal crisis on utupau and the damn bad batch on Kashykk arc
It's characters like Ventress that show just how little the majority of fans know about characters who were originally from the old EU. Ventress was first introduced in the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project where she makes her first on-screen appearance in the Clone Wars miniseries and the Dark Horse Clone Wars graphic novel volumes. While a bit one-note and nothing more than a simple pawn in the Sith's game in the miniseries, the graphic novels take this idea and then make us care about her, not by her actions but by the people she interacts with namely Obi-Wan and Anakin. Both characters interact differently with her with Obi-Wan seeing her as someone to be pitied and redeemed after discovering that she was once trained as a Jedi but whose master was murdered before she was ready but could still be turned back from the dark side, while Anakin sees her as a threat to everyone around him and as a source of pain in his life as she had captured and tortured Obi-Wan, killed Jedi in front of him, and even threatened Padmé (during this moment Obi-Wan was advocating to the Jedi Council to knight Anakin for all of the good things he's done, meanwhile Anakin was Force throwing Ventress, binding her in power lines, and throwing her off of a building). Ventress hates both because she doesn't want to feel pitied and both are the only Jedi to have ever defeated her in battle (meanwhile TCW doesn't show her to be all that dangerous of a villain as she doesn't kill any Jedi whatsoever, just nameless clones). Her only loyalty is to Dooku (who doesn't train her as a Sith, merely an acolyte) but her constant failures at the hands of Obi-Wan and Anakin force him to dispose of her and he has her killed. She fakes her death and her story is left open-ended.
Essentially, Ventress got the Grievous treatment in TCW where her story was already interesting and still full of possibilities but her character was changed, her motivations were shifted, there was no explanation for the animosity between her and Anakin or the flirtation between her and Obi-Wan. And she is treated as only threatening to clones all of the Jedi that she interacts with survive their encounters with her. I personally would've liked to have seen a TCW story that showcases a Jedi Padawan whose master was killed by Ventress during the war and they go against the Jedi Council's orders to pursue her while drifting closer and closer to the dark side. When they finally catch up to her, she sees in them a reflection of herself, maybe even explain to them how their stories are similar (rather than the simple and easy flashback sequence) but she kills them anyway as that is how far gone she is. Her origins as a Nightsister are not revealed (because that doesn't make any sense for anyone who knows about Nightsisters and about Ventress) and she remains as something of a mystery.
Grievous is pissed
Are we talking Grievous in the main Clone Wars series? Or the animated one from the Clone Wars micro series? Cause one is *significantly* more intimidating than the other.
Morrille Nagy nah, the only chapter in which he wasn’t intimidating was the one with the Gungans and unfortunately that’s what everyone seems to remember. The two times in which he almost killed Ahsoka and Kenobi, Eeth Koth and Fisto? Or even Maul in Son Of Dathomir? Nah that never happened.
@@DiZtheJedi "Filoni! Why did you not make me badass like Tartakovsky did! I am far more badass than that bald witch! After I deal with you, I will add her lightsabers to my collection!" - General Grievous
@@Dass_Jennir The only time I found him intimidating was in Tartakovsky's series. Then Revenge of the Sith happened and he became a joke, and to me and many others, he never recovered. So, to me, he was only an impressive being when used by Tartakovsky. And even if I did like him more in the second Clone Wars series, I didn't say that he wasn't intimidating in that series; just that he was *more* intimidating in the first one.
I think she was a bit underused in the later seasons but I thought she had a lot of potential because she had a very interesting, refreshing story
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I have not, but it looks like he was nominated and doing pretty well so far.
In the first 2 seasons she was a pretty generic villain, great chemistry between the characters she fights, but from season 3 onward she becomes a very dynamic character. It’s a shame her story was never truly concluded in the Clone wars show.
Have you done Cad Bane yet? He’s a really good character and is pretty underrated since he hasn’t appeared in anything mainstream. I think he’s a solid and interesting character since he’s clever than most. If you were to grade him I’d give him a B/B-
I still to this day, cherish the fight banters between Obi Wan and Ventress.
Sorry to keep bringing up 2003, but I also liked how Ventress acted as a true Sith assassin. In the 2008 cartoon, although I don’t remember much, I never really got the feeling she was an assassin, someone who stayed in the shadows and manipulated any situation she found to her advantage.
In the 2003 cartoon, she was calculating and efficient, I think, and especially in the few comics I read, she turns to brutal methods and torture to get the information she wants. I remember reading about her torture of the ARC Commander Alpha and Obi-Wan rescuing him, which also established Kenobi’s involvement with Ventress, as if Ventress was a constant reminder to Kenobi of what Anakin could be if he slipped up as Anakin’s master.
That’s just my headcanon of the character though since my mind isn’t restricted by 20-minute intervals and such that comes from being a tv show, I see Ventress as almost the opposite of Grievous: Grievous was meant to be the face of the opposition and a threat to peace while Ventress stayed in the background preforming important tasks in secret. That’s at least my view of the character.
Aila Dreamwound I mean she basically was that. She only needed to do tasks that needed to be done quick and fast. Grievous was loud and destructive
I was hoping you'd touch on the proto Ventresses in the prequel era media. Aurra Sing, a pale bald women was given the exact same backstory as Ventress; a former padawan who believed the jedi betrayed and abandoned her after she lost her master years before Ventress was created. Her creation being one of the concept designers working for George Lucas on Attack of the Clones really wanted the next Sith lord to be a female. Proto Ventress and a fembot were considered before Lucas decided on Christopher Lee for the Count Dooku role. Then there's Komari Vosa from the Bounty Hunter game, who was inspired by the Ventress concept art for Attack of the Clones. Ventress proper wouldn't actually come into her own until the Dark Horse Clone Wars comic run, which would influence Genndy Tartakovsky to put her in his micro series.
We must remember that original Ventress character development and story were made by authors of Star Wars: Republic comic series introducing her backstory, being Nightsister, death of her Jedi Master, going to the dark side, relationship with Obi Wan, Dooku's betrayal and her leaving the war behind. 👍 Dave Filoni only modified and build on it.
She is a Rattataki, not a Dathomirian, so…
Clone/ARC Trooper Jesse should be next, thanks to the finally
I'm so disappointed that her final episode arc in The Clone Wars was never made. I read the book, and I just wish I could see it on screen!
I feel like I may be one of the outliers here but I actually really didn’t like Dark Disciple. Part of this is because that I loved the way Quinlan Vos’ story ended on Legends, but also I would’ve preferred having Ventress survive the war. I also felt that their “romance” was a bit silly and YA-esque. I would much rather have kept the characters of Tholme and Khaleen Hentz in the picture, as well as referencing Quin’s previous history with Dooku and the dark side. And seeing a one-sided/unrequited love on behalf of Ventress would have been very interesting to see.
I would rank her as the best female character from the clone wars. Sorry Ashoka fans but Ventress is much more complex and interesting chracter.
I have her on the list of my favourite characters since season 3.
To each their own I actually liked barris the most.
I absolutely agree man. She has more depth than most of the characters in TCW.
2:33 "who just seems to exist for the sake of having another villain throw at our heroes" = all Sith Inquisitors in Rebels
I didn't care for Dark Disciple, you guys should check out the OG Republic/Clone Wars comics, it's what the book was based off and Vos, and most of the Jedi who only show up a few times in the show are much more fleshed out. Vos and Ventress get better endings too.
The Clone Wars has some of the best female characters in Star Wars
she was always A from day one even in the other clone wars series.. the reason they gave her more story.
She doesn't get a proper introduction in the 2008 series. Which is why I consider the 2003 clone wars volume 1 canon and the beginning of volume 2 with Anakin's knighting, and the battle of coruscant canon. In the 2008 series Ventress, Anakin, and Obi-Wan are already well acquainted.
Heres an idea. A rating of kreia and her philosophy.
I love her! She has such potential. Can wait to see what they do with her next.
To quote Jensaarai1:
"Ventress in Legends was effectively Dooku's pet serial killer, a deeply disturbed individual who would've been a natural fit for NBC's Hannibal, by contrast Ventress in Canon is a weak pantomime villain jumping from one parental substitute to the next, spending most of her run as a disposable lackey to whoever she happened to be serving, and when she finally stepped up and started calling her own shots, she got herself horrifically murdered. In essence, the writers of TCW got Ventress's character ass-backwards, stripped her of her iconic weapons, stripped her of her iconic appearance, then killed her off in a crappy Harley Quinn-style romance novel."
You would think that she the "sexy assassin" type (Ex: Catwoman, Black Widow, Black Cat , Widow Maker...), but in her fights with Obi Was is him who keeps flirting just to piss her off XD hahaha
“He’s only half the man you are, Savage”
Mustafar levels of burn
7:58
AAHHHHH!!! Holy crap, there’s me! XD
Wasn’t expecting that, let me tell you. Please do Darth Vader next.
Listening to this video, it got me thinking about how Ventress and agent Kallus were functionally the same character for the first half of their shows basically.
They were there specifically to contrast the ridiculously not dangerous bad guy food soldiers (B1 and stormtrooper). It was "Ok. Ventress/Kallus is involved. It won't be strictly good guy rolling the comic relief. Kind of like how in drawn out lightsaber duel, when one character starts dual wielding (ugh) sabers as if "Oh. It's on now. Before it was off. Now it's on."
I was so pissed when ventress wasn't in season 7, she was my favorite character next to Grievous
I prefer the Dark Horse storyline more, but the character was done justice in the CW series. I do not care for the romance with her & Vos, His relationship with Khaleen is too ingrained in me. The comics were also open ended so in EU she is still out there.
Excellent character who changes quite a bit during the show, she's dark, sexy, funny, can mix it with the best of them, and she has some depth. B for me - oh and she deserves a better ending than The Dark Disciple stuff.
I love Ventress! Ever since her first banter-full battle with Obi-Wan. She's such a badass... And then her full backstory was great (albeit too fast)
Edit: and yes! That alternate universe shipping sounds great!
I first saw her in the 2003 Clone wars and loved the design and then I loved how her character played out in the 'Clone Wars' comic that came out in the years that followed. Loved the character and how she was portrayed and handled. While I prefer that version to the newer iteration the new version is also good. Probably because they seemed to respect the material that came before, even if they didn't stick with it 100%.
I would like to see you talk about the grand Inquisitor because I think he's a underrated villain and he also got a interesting backstory.
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I liked him more than any other inquisitor except Trilla (but she is in a game so it doesnt count), i allways thought why the 2 inquisitors of the season 2 would be a worthy enemy if Kanan already defeated the Grand Inquisitor, he should have been introduced later
We need a petition to get dark disciple animated or something lol. It was sadly a missed opportunity for season 7 of TCW (Although I’m still happy with what we got). It would manage to keep people on Disney+ and continue to mend the gap between Disney and the fans. Win-win, Disney just has to see it.
I really liked the character of Asajj and her banter with Obi Wan was very entertaining to watch. Although I'll be honest. In my opinion Asajj was misscharacterized in Dark Desciple. I think that there are better ways to conclude her character. But still I consider her to be an amazing character.
As much as I love having a double dose of Ashoka in season 7, had they taken out the Martez arc and given us even a 4 part Dark Disciple it would have been a lot better
Except that Dark Disciple was supposed to be 7 or 8 episodes, too long to fit.
@@ajzeg01 yes. I know this. As I stated "even a 4 part" knowing full well how long it was supposed to be, but I would have been ok with a shortened version
She’s my all time favorite Star Wars character
I would like to see a dark side mini series. Some episodes about Ventress, some about Dooku, some about Maul, ones about Vader. Hell, a multi-season series where they start around Plagueis and moved forward chronologically and showed how they found and trained their apprentices would even be cool
Ventress story breaks my heart. She was looking for a home, a place to belong, and she can never hold on to it for long. ☹
I still consider the 2003 intro to Ventress as headcanon.
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Great character. I always looked forward to her on CW.As the series went on her story developed.She truly was a tragic figure.Sure would love to see Filoni finish her story.
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Oooh, the Revan vote could get heated! All depends on what game you like
I am very annoyed that we had to put up with the Martez Sisters for 4 episodes, when we should’ve gotten Dark Disciple
Dark Disciple is too long to fit, plus we already got that story in the book. Besides, like it or not, it was important to catch up with Ahsoka before the finale.
@@ajzeg01 Being in a book isn't a substitute for an actual ending in the show. Also it definitely wasn't that important to waste 4 episodes like they did just to "catch up" with Ahsoka.
ajzeg01 bro that ahsoka arc was a waste Wym. If it was only the last two episodes I wouldn’t of had a problem. We should of gotten son of dathomir arc instead
ventress is very similar to zuko from the last airbender except in terms of betrayal and being cast aside, which is a super interesting directorial connection with filoni.
I gave her a B because I didn't like the way her arc just dropped off the planet at the end. But she definitely had A potential. The first time I started watching clone Wars I saw maybe 10 or 15 random episodes and wasn't really sucked in. In preparation for the final season I decided to give it another try and started from the beginning and her arc was amazing. Just the handful of episodes with her going back to her planet and the witches was really spectacular and so interesting to see how they used an aspect of the force without simply being another offshoot of the Jedi.
When her entire people were wiped out by dooku you really could feel her pain and isolation. I loved how they introduced Savage through her and then reintroduced Maul through him. It was easily the best work of the series before the last four episodes. It's just a shame they chose not to explore her arc further in season 6 instead of some of the plot filler we got.
I got pretty interested in dookus betrayal but they never finished her story and that really lowers my score.
Great character, I ended up really loving her as the show progressed. I was sad her story was never finished
Ventress all round Epic lady. Dathomir sisters, connection to Maul and Bobba Fett co-op all put me on Ventress hype train.
Disney: *makes bad movies*
Disney: I suppose you're going to ask me to surrender.
SW Fans: Actually I plan to let the clones execute you.
You should do a series of ~30-45 min videos where you summarize a whole book. Dark Disciple, Master & Apprentice, Ahsoka, etc.
And please do Jar Jar next I’m genuinely serious.
I really hope Disney allows the animation team adapt the Dark Disciple in maybe a mini series or a movie.
She's in my top 5 all time favourite Star Wars characters. The more light shown on her, the better.
I didn’t care for her in the early seasons, but she’s great later on and in the Dark Disciple book. Dooku: Jedi Lost too! That audio drama is very underrated.
Ventress is one of my favorite characters!
Asajj Ventress is a lesson for the creators and writers of Game of Thrones! You can start off with a character that's bad for the sake of being bad but with a bit of creativity you can transform her into something more complex and multi dimensional, unlike the night King!
They should make the Dark Disciple into a prequel spinoff movie. Not only would it wrap up her story arc on screen but live action Quinlan Vos, yes please. Though I doubt it could be done without Christopher Lee.
I have a theory they'll reanimated her episodes along with Son of Dathomir, just because how successful the show was on their streaming service.
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She had no intimidation factor, a pure pushover.
If dark disciple was added to ventresses story where would she rank?
Do u think that they would ever do a film adaptation of Dark Disciple?
I really liked Asajj from pretty early on. She had a cool look, she was different, she was INTERESTING. See that, Disney? INTERESTING.
They should've replaced the bad batch ark with the ventress ark or anakin obi wan utapu ark
these are the kind of female characters that we need now. don’t add female characters to push an agenda. instead create good characters
I loved Ventruss in the fact I hated her but then enjoyed her fall and development to actually helping people lol
Asajj Ventress is my personal fav sith and bounty hunter character in Star Wars
Mace Windu should be next
Best chracter developement.
Damn, I didn't vote in this poll :(
I missed her so much. She was a sweetheart kind of character. I prefer her with hair instead of being bald. I wanted to see the arc with her and Quinlan Vos.
She is a Rattataki, she don’t have hair.
Idk if many will see this. But ventress really helps solidify the fall of the jedi council. In the ark where ahsoka goes on the run, she become a better judge of character than the council and this is solidified when anakin begins to believe her
Is there a difference between the best movie vs a favorite movie.
They can be one and the same, or two totally different entities.