Yoda gets an A for Empire and Return of the Jedi. But Yoda is a C- at best in the Prequels. Zero personality. George knew how to create the character (with help) but didn't know how to give him personality.
@@kirtan_singh Because most people, even those who only had a passing knowledge of Star Wars, knew him as the wise old sage who teaches esoteric lessons. Mind over matter and all that jazz. Watching him pull out a sword und doing backflips was... jarring, to say the least. It seemed like a parody of his established character.
Its one of those things that takes a bit to settle in. I dont think they would have minded it at very first but it would have gotten worse as time went on
I love his arc in the Clone wars as well. I didn't see anyone mention how during the episode with the Clones he also treats them well and like actual people. For the most part Yoda didn't take part in the war so when we was present during a battle it almost always was interesting. I also found it interesting how Yoda was more open for discussion. During the last episodes for instance you have him notice something wrong with Ahsoka yet due to the councils decision during the trial Ahsoka decides not to talk to him. He knows a lot but due to the faults of the order it brought about its destruction and he lost everything.
I agree. Original Yoda is great, but not particularly nuanced. Prequels Yoda is just frustrating. But Clone Wars Yoda is both wise and has internal conflict. His line, "No longer certain that one ever wins a war, I am," is maybe the most profound thing to come from the prequels era of Star Wars. It shows how wisdom and growth all at once.
I actually mentioned this episode in the latest poll, about Yoda's use of a lightsaber, saying that he used the lightsaber as a tool and not just as a weapon, when he creates a makeshift crutch for Thire. I think it's a great episode for Yoda in general, and he does have a good arc throughout the show.
@@DigitalVanquish I really like that idea which makes the Yoda vs. Sidious fight the most frustrating part of RotS. I can't stand how Yoda draws his blade first and lunges first. It would have been so much more badass if he maintained a stance of self defense and used the force in crazy ways.
@@sivad1025 Given that the greatest Jedi Purge in Galactic history just took place, and that Yoda was faced with the one being that would destroy the Republic, with him being the only being alive that could stop Sidious, it makes complete sense for Yoda to draw his weapon. He couldn't possibly risk Sidious fleeing, so Yoda taunts him into a fight. He needed to kill Sidious, not defend himself, and it was his duty as the Grand Master of the Jedi to do so against a true Lord of the Sith.
@@DigitalVanquish I get it, I just feel like they showed any character struggle to earn it. If it were his first time ever drawing a saber, that could have been an effective gimmick... but he had already lunged first at Dooku so it didn't feel like a pivotal moment where he intentionally acted out of his usual character. You know how I mean? I love the scarcity with which he fights in Clone Wars. It makes him more of an intellectual, diplomat first and a warrior second. I just didn't get that in the prequels and didn't feel the weight of his fight against Sidious. Plus, I still think it would have been neat to see the force used in a unique way to get an upper hand on Sidious before ultimately losing.
Yoda is one of the iconic characters that defines what Star Wars is. He's up there with Darth Vader, R2-D2, and Darth Maul as not just one of the most recognizable characters in Star Was, but one of the most recognizable characters on all of film.
Grand Master of the Jedi Order, master of all seven lightsaber forms and one of the most powerful Force users of all time, Yoda not only represents what a true Jedi can accomplish through patience, hard work and spiritual enlightenment. He is introduced as the seemingly all-knowing guru who teaches Luke to open his mind and to let himself be guided by reason rather than his ego. But in the PT, we see that Yoda used to be arrogant and focused more on following the Jedi Code than listening to the will of the Force and so his defeat at the hands of Palpatine was a valuable lesson for him that made him realize the importance of failure, which made him the perfect mentor for Luke. To me, that is a great character arc.
Luke:”I... I don’t believe it.” Yoda:”That... is why you fail.” This is absolutely a real life truth. How many times have I NOT done something because I didn’t believe I could do it, only to have someone give encouragement or push me a little bit harder, and I was actually able to accomplish it. Luke, like many of us, only needed to believe in himself a bit more and he would find he was capable of amazing things. This is why he was my favorite Star Wars character growing up, and why I cannot accept the version presented to us in TLJ. Obviously, we can’t expect to able to lift a jet/starfighter with our minds, but there’s a lesson in there to believe in our own abilities a bit more and not be afraid of the unknown or difficult.
I remember all those year's ago when I went to see Attack Of The Clones back in 2002 in theaters, everybody applauded from the moment Yoda pulled out his lightsaber as he is about to fight Count Dooku.
I know a lot of people want Vader and he’ll probably take the high ground but Vader on his own does not have as much characterization as anakin Skywalker. Not sure how I’d feel about him winning for 50% of the people just remembering he did something cool.
right plus we only know as much as we do about Vader THROUGH his time as Anakin Skywalker-and even at THAT, Vader had Anakin moments as well "be careful not to choke on your aspirations" is a big one, and his cockiness while fighting Luke "all too easy" they're one in the same I just don't see how a video on him could be insightful really.
I personally believe Vader was better fleshed out than his younger self, Anakin. I think Anakin is the biggest flaw with the prequels(not the actor, hes great) mostly because of the writing. He was really rushed and felt evil for no reason. In the Original trilogy, we are shown a lot about Darth Vader and how he was just a tool of palpatine. His relationship with Luke is insanely well done and I honestly see anakin and vader as completely separate characters
Yoda is definitely my favourite character in star wars alongside Ahsoka, I love how he goes from a Grand Master who thought the Sith couldnt faze him or the jedi which In a way made him become too cocky which caused the Jedi to be destroyed, to a lonely hermit in exile. Honestly, I personally believe if it werent for his loss to Palpatine, he would have underestimated him and would've caused Luke to get screwed over. The character growth between ROTS and ESB is amazing. I think it's part of the reason everyone loves ROTS and ESB.
According to a recent poll, The beautiful and adorable latest member of Yoda and Yaddles species has been surpassing even the most iconic of all of the Sith Lords himself: Vader!-) that naturally just goes to show that Yoda’s living legacy is still alive and living on!) Everlasting and un spoiling wisdom is just a piece of our potential favorite grand Jedi master’s greatness!)
We’ve grown so accustomed to cgi that practical effects feel new and exciting, and I am very happy that they are recently having a comeback. And I think that some of that is in thanks to Star Wars.
I really loved this video. It was bits of conversation I've had with others since 1980. How awesome to hear a lot of it again and since new points I've not heard before. Thanks!
Quick note regarding the way Yoda speaks & if it’s a staple of his species: I don’t know if you take this into consideration, Thor but Master Vandar Tokare from KOTOR spoke in a normal way.
If Darth Jar Jar was really the plan, George Lucas would have still gone on with it. Jar Jar Binks was the Ewoks concept personalized, with the goal of selling some action figures.
For those felling as if Vader and Anakin are the same person, I think you have to look at it from a mental health/psychological standpoint. Looking at people with multiple personalities you can tell that they are def not one in the same. That is the whole mental health issue regarding the disorder. Even though they inhabit the same body, the separate personality thinks of itself as it’s own individual, and was formed as a coping mechanism for what happened in ROTS, because Anakin went through so much trauma with what he has done. And this disorder often causes the second personality to slowly form over time and fully develop, so it isn’t a complete switch all at once. Vader also refers to Anakin Skywalker as a separate person, because he truly believes he is. And even though parts of the personalities can bleed over, and Vader may know logically that he used to be Anakin Skywalker, over time this becomes more and more suppressed by the dominant personality of Vader. With only moments of Anakin bleeding through/taking over. This disorder is a way for a person to escape from reality and create their own, which is exactly what Vader did. He kept some parts of his memories and life before that he logically retained, but created and solely formed a separate identity to cope with the pain. This is why he still does things based off his past as Anakin, but still calls himself by a separate name. The treatment for this disorder is the hope to work through the past trauma, and reconcile the two personalities by addressing the thing that caused the split in the first place. This happens fully when Like chooses not to fight Vader and still believes in him. Before then Anakin had moments of coming through ( like how Vader calls Luke his son, but he doesn’t fully come back until that moment he saves Luke. This does not excuse Anakin for what he had done, because Vader still held himself accountable and believed he had done those things, but ultimately Anakin had to have the will to reconcile face his trauma fully and allow himself to be whole once again, accepting what he had done, fully owning up to it, and moving forward as himself again. These thing are also backed by the comics and Lucas himself. So if Vader is a separate personality, which based off how his actions differ so extremely from who he was before, he can not be the same person as Anakin.
I honestly love Yoda’s moment in TLJ, it’s one of the emotional moments that felt real, for everything that movie fumbled. “The greatest teacher, failure is. We are what we grow beyond.” It feels like a like Yoda earned, and the line that moved Luke back to action.
Slightly off-topic: will and should we see Yoda in the Project Luminous series? Since it is set only 200 years prior to the Phantom Menace, Yoda would be “late-middle aged” at this point, as he was about 900 by the Return of the Jedi, so he should be a major factor, right? Or might the resolution of whatever disaster happens be his climb to prominence, providing the catalyst for the “rebranding” of the Jedi by the time we get to the Skywalker Saga era?
Андрей Шурочка I do not think length of time alive necessarily means a better connection with the force. Qui-Gon is one of the most pure Jedi and he lived far less than most of the Order. If there is such a stylistic shift from the Project Luminous Jedi to the Skywalker Saga Jedi, and Yoda is in charge of the Order that whole time, I am not sure how well his leadership of the Order would hold up, in practice or as a plot within a story. 200 years is a long time to manifest validity of leadership; maybe Yoda is like Qui-Gon (seen as a bit of a purist pain in the ass) during the Luminous time, and the result of the conflict with the Nihil propels him and his philosophy to the forefront.
With Luke, we needed one thing Rian Johnson had no intention of giving. A truly badass moment that shows how powerful Luke had become at that point. We could still have a flawed Luke who believes he failed, but even with Yoda we saw how much of a mastery of the Force he had, even in Empire, giving us a real moment of fanservice. It would be far from enough to make the movie good, but Luke's mischaracterization in the sequels is honestly the smoking gun that killed Star Wars, especially with how Lucasfilm is doubling down on how "Luke really wasn't all that important".
@@emberfist8347 Except for how far he went to redeem Vader. One of Luke's defining traits is being able to see the good in anyone, as long as it's there to begin with. He's not one of those idiots who believes evil doesn't exist, but he is optimistic about people. I'm not saying the scene can't be salvaged, I'm saying we need a damn good reason for someone like Luke Skywalker to make the decision in the first place.
Well, to me the only dis to the character of Yoda is the prequels CGI. I'd still give him an A though. Also, he has probably some the best moments in Empire. I mean, Do or do not. There is no try. Him raising the X-Wing matched with yet another perfect Star Wars soundtrack.
I loved Yoda's arc in the CW. You got to see both his wiser side but also his more playful side which later comes out after 20 years of self isolation. I would love to see more content that focused on him and let us learn more about him. Even if his species aren't all that unique besides their long lifespan, then that's what makes a force sensitive among him kind so valuable for the Jedi Order, or the Empire as seen in the Mandalorian. Given enough time, even if their force abilities aren't all that exceptional, then they can still become very powerful. Regardless, because of the rarity of his kind in Star Wars media, I can't help but have an interest, especially considering we don't even have a name for his species aside from "trydactil" as some fans have dubbed them. With 900 years of life to explore, there's plenty of room to have Yoda stories in various media.
Why does everyone think u have to be a well developed character with a full backstory and fully deep and fleshed out motivations to be s good character. In my eyes a good character is just someone who fulfils their role in the story well.
I didn't get to vote in this poll, but I would have given Yoda an A. Yoda is one of the key elements that makes the Star Wars universe feel unique. Imagine if Lucas hadn't killed Obi-wan in A New Hope, and how different that would have made ESB. The Dagobah scenes would've been far more conventional, since Obi-Wan wouldn't be so reluctant to train Luke. But instead we got Luke going off an a quest thanks to getting advice from a ghost, and when arrived at his destination it looked like a dump. There were no grand statues of Jedi Knights from olden days, or any buildings at all except for Yoda's hut. So Luke gives in to failure and despair, and it's then when Yoda's true nature is revealed. Luke had to be broken down so this ridiculous, demanding, wonderful little green man could build him up again. He may have been a great actor, but it's hard to imagine the same thing happening with Alec Guinness.
@4:49 whoa there... you wouldn’t cite groupthink as the Jedi Council’s principal folly, as opposed to any particular member’s oversight? Seems like Yoda’s being scapegoated a bit.
Agreed. There was sually a member or 2 (or 3!) who disagreed with the rest of the Council. In other words, most were in collusion with Yoda ... but perhaps, just maybe someone may have been more in tune with the Force? Qui-Gon, Dooku, Sifo Dyas, Pong Krell, and Maul all seemed to be aware (through the Force) that 'things were afoot.'
What I love about Yoda is the fact that he failed in so many ways. He failed as a Jedi, he failed his students, and yet he did not let his failure destroy him. He learned from his failure and became a wiser man because of it.
I gave Yoda a C, should have been a B though. Yes, he's iconic and a very important and properly written character, but I'd prefer Dooku (who got a load of problems storywise) most of the time. I subjectively gave him a c. Objectively though: In Prequels: B+ In Clone Wars: C In The Clone Wars: A+ In Main Story: A In Sequels: C- So yeah, I can easily see why you'd give him an A. His story is very fluid and well written, I also like him and think he's lovely, but I find him very annoying sometimes. Final Verdict: B+ for Yoda by me
I think everything you could ever want from Yoda as a character could be found in the only book he has: Dark Rendezvous. I think he's an A-class character without a doubt. He has a certain ageless charm to him and his teaching methods vary from the simple to the unorthodox.
OUT OF THE LEFT FIELD THEORY: the succes of The Child (aka Baby Yoda) is because he remembers more TESB/OT Yoda than PT/CW Yoda. I explain. When Yoda was first introduced he act all erratic, all goofy, going through Luke stuff and annoying him non stop. The thing is THAT Yoda probably would press non stop the bottoms in Mando spaceship as The Child; TESB Yoda could be also fascinated by the bulb on the lever of the ship as the Child. PT Yoda was clearly a misguided fool, just how is pointed out ih the video. A truly awkward depiction of the character. So, The Child hits all the rights nostalgia bottoms. Someone comented on how "memeable" Yoda is, but really, most of those memes are OT memes. And The Child, as the "original" Yoda is extremely memeable ( if this is an actual word).PS: Did the droids ever were put to nominantion ?
@@emberfist8347 But that is enough to stablish the connection between both. Also mind that despite being/acting like 10month old a baby most of the time, WHENEVER it's needed The Child knows exactly how to use the force( even to choke people, something that Rey probably does not know). Maybe how Gideon said in the last episode The Mandalorian just have no idea what his dealing with. But the main post is that OT Yoda and the Child are shown as "good hearted" characters, while PT Yoda is just an arrogant prick , and that the public responds better to the latter.
What you show is just as important as what you don't show. That's what made Han so interesting in the OT. We don't know what happened with Yoda for a huge portion of his life and that's why he's so interesting.
Yoda is my favorite character in Star Wars he is the best characters in my opinion in Star War's and their so much story that we have yet to see from him.
So Yoda can give up and go to exile for 19 years when he looses a fight with Sheeve, but Luke can’t do the same when he fails to prevent his nephew from turning to the Dark Side?
Yoda retrained himself while in exile... Luke just gave up. He also didn't fail to prevent Ben from falling to the dark side, he essentially caused it.
Also we now know that the reason Yoda chose this was because the force priestices show him of how the Jedi were doomed to fail, and that he couldn’t do anything to stop it, and had the responsibility of training another in the future. Luke just gave up fully on who he was and tried to escape because he couldn’t deal with everything.
You're the only got second place because I didn't vote. I miss that pole. He's my favorite character of all time in Star Wars. That archetype in general is my favorite. There is a reason my avatar on here on RUclips is Master Oogway. The wise old Mentor archetype is my absolute favorite in fiction and literature and mythology. Yoda, Master Oogway, Gandalf, Dumbledore, Master Splinter from the Ninja Turtles, the grandma in Moana, Sheriff Wylie burp in Fievel Goes West. Doc in cars. Old Zorro in The Mask of Zorro. Uncle iroh in avatar The Last Airbender. The character that is so far beyond anyone else and is so old that their character Arc took place a long time ago before the living memory of anyone else. They were once the hero of their story but that was centuries ago. Now they only exist to act as a catalyst for the new hero to learn everything that they need to know in order to internally be ready to face the bad guy. I like how this character exists not to defeat the bad guy but to help someone else grow to the point where they can defeat the bad guy. There's never a villain that is a match for the wise old Mentor. Because the wise old Mentor defeated their demons both external and internal demons a long time ago and nothing poses a threat to them anymore. Darth Sidious was no match for Yoda, Thai Lung was no match for Oogway, Shredder was no match for Master Splinter, the ringwraiths including the witch-king were no match for Gandalf, Voldemort was no match for Dumbledore and even the Fire King was not a match for his brother iroh. They exist not to beat the bad guy but to get the young up-and-coming hero to beat the bad guy.
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14:34 Thor: "Not every line of his is quotable or memable..."
Me: "To a dark place this line of thought will carry us."
1)Luke🏆
2)Anakin/Vader🥈
3)Han Solo🥉
4)Leia
5)Palpatine
6)Yoda
7)Obi Wan
8)Kylo Ren / Ben
9)Chewbacca
10)R2 & C3P0
@Windows 2050 Luke’s character is only that good after the sequel trilogy though.
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Good he is.
Bad he's not
Master of Yoda
He is.
1)Luke🏆
2)Anakin/Vader🥈
3)Han Solo🥉
4)Leia
5)Palpatine
6)Yoda
7)Obi Wan
8)Kylo Ren / Ben
9)Chewbacca
10)R2 & C3P0
@@internet2055 well that's a weird place for that list
@@nathanbuttgame people agree with it,
Sorry kidNathan
@@internet2055 I wasn't debating the whole 3 people who agree. And I'm closer to 40 than 30. Not exactly a kid. But ok boomer.
Who gave an F for Yoda? This is outrageous
It’s unfair
Probably one of the people who have an issue with him saber wielding in the prequels
missingno miner ah the boomer fans
The D is even more outrageous.
Yoda gets an A for Empire and Return of the Jedi. But Yoda is a C- at best in the Prequels. Zero personality. George knew how to create the character (with help) but didn't know how to give him personality.
I wish I could see people's genuine reaction to him using a lightsaber in episode 2 for the first time. It would've been amazing
I saw it. It was mostly laughter.
@@swagromancer really, why?
Yeah people whining for something stupid is funny. Lol
@@kirtan_singh Because most people, even those who only had a passing knowledge of Star Wars, knew him as the wise old sage who teaches esoteric lessons. Mind over matter and all that jazz. Watching him pull out a sword und doing backflips was... jarring, to say the least. It seemed like a parody of his established character.
Its one of those things that takes a bit to settle in. I dont think they would have minded it at very first but it would have gotten worse as time went on
become baby i must, inspire internet gifs i shall.
You are strong and wise,and i am very proud of you.
1)Luke🏆
2)Anakin/Vader🥈
3)Han Solo🥉
4)Leia
5)Palpatine
6)Yoda
7)Obi Wan
8)Kylo Ren / Ben
9)Chewbacca
10)R2 & C3P0
Windows 2050 ?
@@max1muslegend772 maybe it's a bot, he reply on other comment too
@@max1muslegend772 yes, what do you need young padawan?
The ‘if so powerful you are, why leave’ line is so fun and really makes you see where that character we see in empire cake from
I love his arc in the Clone wars as well. I didn't see anyone mention how during the episode with the Clones he also treats them well and like actual people. For the most part Yoda didn't take part in the war so when we was present during a battle it almost always was interesting. I also found it interesting how Yoda was more open for discussion. During the last episodes for instance you have him notice something wrong with Ahsoka yet due to the councils decision during the trial Ahsoka decides not to talk to him. He knows a lot but due to the faults of the order it brought about its destruction and he lost everything.
I agree. Original Yoda is great, but not particularly nuanced. Prequels Yoda is just frustrating. But Clone Wars Yoda is both wise and has internal conflict. His line, "No longer certain that one ever wins a war, I am," is maybe the most profound thing to come from the prequels era of Star Wars. It shows how wisdom and growth all at once.
I actually mentioned this episode in the latest poll, about Yoda's use of a lightsaber, saying that he used the lightsaber as a tool and not just as a weapon, when he creates a makeshift crutch for Thire.
I think it's a great episode for Yoda in general, and he does have a good arc throughout the show.
@@DigitalVanquish I really like that idea which makes the Yoda vs. Sidious fight the most frustrating part of RotS. I can't stand how Yoda draws his blade first and lunges first. It would have been so much more badass if he maintained a stance of self defense and used the force in crazy ways.
@@sivad1025
Given that the greatest Jedi Purge in Galactic history just took place, and that Yoda was faced with the one being that would destroy the Republic, with him being the only being alive that could stop Sidious, it makes complete sense for Yoda to draw his weapon. He couldn't possibly risk Sidious fleeing, so Yoda taunts him into a fight. He needed to kill Sidious, not defend himself, and it was his duty as the Grand Master of the Jedi to do so against a true Lord of the Sith.
@@DigitalVanquish I get it, I just feel like they showed any character struggle to earn it. If it were his first time ever drawing a saber, that could have been an effective gimmick... but he had already lunged first at Dooku so it didn't feel like a pivotal moment where he intentionally acted out of his usual character.
You know how I mean? I love the scarcity with which he fights in Clone Wars. It makes him more of an intellectual, diplomat first and a warrior second. I just didn't get that in the prequels and didn't feel the weight of his fight against Sidious. Plus, I still think it would have been neat to see the force used in a unique way to get an upper hand on Sidious before ultimately losing.
"Wars not make one great."
One of his first lines. One of the most memorable in Episode V.
I love this line! I love that this random jungle creature that Luke is annoyed with spits such bars.
Yoda is one of the iconic characters that defines what Star Wars is. He's up there with Darth Vader, R2-D2, and Darth Maul as not just one of the most recognizable characters in Star Was, but one of the most recognizable characters on all of film.
Ketamine he is addicted to. The Jedi way, this is.
"Wanna buy some death sticks?"
"No. Ketamine or no Ketamine, there is no death sticks."
Mmm run over younglings in my toyoda civic I must
Tbf half of the k-holes i've been in have made me think i had Force powers
Grand Master of the Jedi Order, master of all seven lightsaber forms and one of the most powerful Force users of all time, Yoda not only represents what a true Jedi can accomplish through patience, hard work and spiritual enlightenment. He is introduced as the seemingly all-knowing guru who teaches Luke to open his mind and to let himself be guided by reason rather than his ego. But in the PT, we see that Yoda used to be arrogant and focused more on following the Jedi Code than listening to the will of the Force and so his defeat at the hands of Palpatine was a valuable lesson for him that made him realize the importance of failure, which made him the perfect mentor for Luke. To me, that is a great character arc.
Luke:”I... I don’t believe it.”
Yoda:”That... is why you fail.”
This is absolutely a real life truth.
How many times have I NOT done something because I didn’t believe I could do it, only to have someone give encouragement or push me a little bit harder, and I was actually able to accomplish it.
Luke, like many of us, only needed to believe in himself a bit more and he would find he was capable of amazing things. This is why he was my favorite Star Wars character growing up, and why I cannot accept the version presented to us in TLJ.
Obviously, we can’t expect to able to lift a jet/starfighter with our minds, but there’s a lesson in there to believe in our own abilities a bit more and not be afraid of the unknown or difficult.
Trueee.
So Obi-wan still has the high grown?
Ah yes the high grown (dont edit you'll lose the heart)
@@turkepic3637 I believe now only Lord Vader can dethrone him from the high grown.
@@IbrahimAli-jl8fu He can't beat obi-wan if he is on the high ground already
@@Azuressunset it's grown not ground
Wait until Leia, Han and Baby Yoda come...
I remember all those year's ago when I went to see Attack Of The Clones back in 2002 in theaters, everybody applauded from the moment Yoda pulled out his lightsaber as he is about to fight Count Dooku.
1)Luke🏆
2)Anakin/Vader🥈
3)Han Solo🥉
4)Leia
5)Palpatine
6)Yoda
7)Obi Wan
8)Kylo Ren / Ben
9)Chewbacca
10)R2 & C3P0
@@internet2055 Are those your top 10 favorite characters?
@@dereklopez9060 no sir, thats the official worldwide survey results.
LukeSkywalker=StarWars
StarWars=LukeSkywalker
@@internet2055 Oh...what up with other characters in the list?
@@dereklopez9060 Mace Windu, Rey and your personal favorite Babu Frik didn't make the top 10.
Sorry.
"Hmmm. Grandmaster of the order I am young Tano, pass me you can not."
I know a lot of people want Vader and he’ll probably take the high ground but Vader on his own does not have as much characterization as anakin Skywalker. Not sure how I’d feel about him winning for 50% of the people just remembering he did something cool.
right plus we only know as much as we do about Vader THROUGH his time as Anakin Skywalker-and even at THAT, Vader had Anakin moments as well "be careful not to choke on your aspirations" is a big one, and his cockiness while fighting Luke "all too easy" they're one in the same I just don't see how a video on him could be insightful really.
I personally believe Vader was better fleshed out than his younger self, Anakin. I think Anakin is the biggest flaw with the prequels(not the actor, hes great) mostly because of the writing. He was really rushed and felt evil for no reason. In the Original trilogy, we are shown a lot about Darth Vader and how he was just a tool of palpatine. His relationship with Luke is insanely well done and I honestly see anakin and vader as completely separate characters
to those that gave GM Yoda an F: Your high status has been revoked until further notice. Enjoy your game of the floor is lava until then
Me after seeing Obi Wan still in first place: I love democracy.
Yoda is definitely my favourite character in star wars alongside Ahsoka, I love how he goes from a Grand Master who thought the Sith couldnt faze him or the jedi which In a way made him become too cocky which caused the Jedi to be destroyed, to a lonely hermit in exile. Honestly, I personally believe if it werent for his loss to Palpatine, he would have underestimated him and would've caused Luke to get screwed over. The character growth between ROTS and ESB is amazing. I think it's part of the reason everyone loves ROTS and ESB.
Thanks for posting up my comment Thor! (Been gunning for a spot in the limelight for a while)
You're very welcome. Excellent comment, thanks for leaving it.
‘Failed I have’ So simple yet means so much!
Awesome as always Thor!! Thumbs Up!!
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Obi Wan didn't appear in the sequel trilogy, that's what put him over the edge versus Yoda.
Yoda is one of my favourite characters of all time
My top 5 characters
1. The Senate (episode 3)
2. Obi-Wan (episode 3)
3. Darth Vader (OT)
4. Ahsoka (TCW)
5. Han Solo (OT)
BTW do Mace or Solo next!
According to a recent poll, The beautiful and adorable latest member of Yoda and Yaddles species has been surpassing even the most iconic of all of the Sith Lords himself: Vader!-) that naturally just goes to show that Yoda’s living legacy is still alive and living on!) Everlasting and un spoiling wisdom is just a piece of our potential favorite grand Jedi master’s greatness!)
Yoda + Yaddle = Yoddle
If you do a video on Vader, you should also do one looking at him & Anakin as the same character & compare the results.
I've thought about doing that. See how the three compare to each other.
1)Luke🏆
2)Anakin/Vader🥈
3)Han Solo🥉
4)Leia
5)Palpatine
6)Yoda
7)Obi Wan
8)Kylo Ren / Ben
9)Chewbacca
10)R2 & C3P0
those who gave Yoda a D or F really outed themselves out as Sequel trilogy fans
Again, he's my favorite character overall. I quote him in my job as a coach. You can't get better than him.
Yoda speaking backwards is how Japanese is translated into English in the most basic way.
Dr P1bb woah
It sucks that youtube is getting rid of the poll feature
Me when I see General Grievous is at the bottom: CRUSH THEM! MAKE THEM SUFFAH!
We’ve grown so accustomed to cgi that practical effects feel new and exciting, and I am very happy that they are recently having a comeback. And I think that some of that is in thanks to Star Wars.
I disagree practical yoda should have stayed in the past as the tlj puppet was bad.The cgi yoda is superior as it shows more emotion
James Codeline Hey man, CGI is great! I just grew up with practical effects so I have a nostalgia with it. But I respect your opinion!
I really loved this video. It was bits of conversation I've had with others since 1980. How awesome to hear a lot of it again and since new points I've not heard before. Thanks!
Going to be on a Q and A with Frank Oz in a couple hours!
Quick note regarding the way Yoda speaks & if it’s a staple of his species: I don’t know if you take this into consideration, Thor but Master Vandar Tokare from KOTOR spoke in a normal way.
If Darth Jar Jar was really the plan, George Lucas would have still gone on with it. Jar Jar Binks was the Ewoks concept personalized, with the goal of selling some action figures.
For those felling as if Vader and Anakin are the same person, I think you have to look at it from a mental health/psychological standpoint. Looking at people with multiple personalities you can tell that they are def not one in the same. That is the whole mental health issue regarding the disorder. Even though they inhabit the same body, the separate personality thinks of itself as it’s own individual, and was formed as a coping mechanism for what happened in ROTS, because Anakin went through so much trauma with what he has done. And this disorder often causes the second personality to slowly form over time and fully develop, so it isn’t a complete switch all at once.
Vader also refers to Anakin Skywalker as a separate person, because he truly believes he is. And even though parts of the personalities can bleed over, and Vader may know logically that he used to be Anakin Skywalker, over time this becomes more and more suppressed by the dominant personality of Vader. With only moments of Anakin bleeding through/taking over. This disorder is a way for a person to escape from reality and create their own, which is exactly what Vader did. He kept some parts of his memories and life before that he logically retained, but created and solely formed a separate identity to cope with the pain. This is why he still does things based off his past as Anakin, but still calls himself by a separate name.
The treatment for this disorder is the hope to work through the past trauma, and reconcile the two personalities by addressing the thing that caused the split in the first place. This happens fully when Like chooses not to fight Vader and still believes in him. Before then Anakin had moments of coming through ( like how Vader calls Luke his son, but he doesn’t fully come back until that moment he saves Luke. This does not excuse Anakin for what he had done, because Vader still held himself accountable and believed he had done those things, but ultimately Anakin had to have the will to reconcile face his trauma fully and allow himself to be whole once again, accepting what he had done, fully owning up to it, and moving forward as himself again.
These thing are also backed by the comics and Lucas himself. So if Vader is a separate personality, which based off how his actions differ so extremely from who he was before, he can not be the same person as Anakin.
If it's not the same person, do we count Return of the jedi Vader as Anakin?
Save Vader for 150k subscriber special! Keep us motivated to examine more characters and refine our thought process. It’ll mean more lol.
Excellent suggestion
8:10
Darth Jar Jar is as canon as TLJ
I always thought the best Yoda quote is "Do or do not, there is no try."
I like the way that assertion was examined and decided to be a contradiction in terms by the Jedi and his padwan in Rebels
@@arthurballs7083 what
@@darthrevan454 watch Rebels, it's in the first couple of episodes it occurs. I don't know the characters' names
@@arthurballs7083 no like I don't understand what you mean
@@darthrevan454 watch this
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I honestly love Yoda’s moment in TLJ, it’s one of the emotional moments that felt real, for everything that movie fumbled. “The greatest teacher, failure is. We are what we grow beyond.” It feels like a like Yoda earned, and the line that moved Luke back to action.
Obi-Wan: First place
Vader: Second place
(Insert high ground joke here)
I’ve been looking forward to this
Everyone has still got much to learn, even master Yoda.
I hope that Lucasfilms doesn't reveal the mistery that has the species of Yoda.
Slightly off-topic: will and should we see Yoda in the Project Luminous series? Since it is set only 200 years prior to the Phantom Menace, Yoda would be “late-middle aged” at this point, as he was about 900 by the Return of the Jedi, so he should be a major factor, right? Or might the resolution of whatever disaster happens be his climb to prominence, providing the catalyst for the “rebranding” of the Jedi by the time we get to the Skywalker Saga era?
He teaches jedi 800 years already, why he would need to climb?
Андрей Шурочка I do not think length of time alive necessarily means a better connection with the force. Qui-Gon is one of the most pure Jedi and he lived far less than most of the Order. If there is such a stylistic shift from the Project Luminous Jedi to the Skywalker Saga Jedi, and Yoda is in charge of the Order that whole time, I am not sure how well his leadership of the Order would hold up, in practice or as a plot within a story. 200 years is a long time to manifest validity of leadership; maybe Yoda is like Qui-Gon (seen as a bit of a purist pain in the ass) during the Luminous time, and the result of the conflict with the Nihil propels him and his philosophy to the forefront.
If only Marvel Studios learned to do that, because they have spent so much money making actual suits, but then they CGI everything. 🤔
With Luke, we needed one thing Rian Johnson had no intention of giving. A truly badass moment that shows how powerful Luke had become at that point. We could still have a flawed Luke who believes he failed, but even with Yoda we saw how much of a mastery of the Force he had, even in Empire, giving us a real moment of fanservice. It would be far from enough to make the movie good, but Luke's mischaracterization in the sequels is honestly the smoking gun that killed Star Wars, especially with how Lucasfilm is doubling down on how "Luke really wasn't all that important".
@@emberfist8347 Except for how far he went to redeem Vader. One of Luke's defining traits is being able to see the good in anyone, as long as it's there to begin with. He's not one of those idiots who believes evil doesn't exist, but he is optimistic about people.
I'm not saying the scene can't be salvaged, I'm saying we need a damn good reason for someone like Luke Skywalker to make the decision in the first place.
I see Obi-wan still has the high ground
Vote for a Droid, spice it up
Remember: we didn't do Qui-Gon or Jar Jar Binks. 😬
*Darth Jar-Jar
You should do jar jar binks next lol
Meesa has bad feeling bout this
Nobody will knock Kenobi off the high ground.
I hope what we learn if anything, about Yoda's species is minor and minimal. I personally really enjoy the mystery around them and their homeworld.
@@emberfist8347 100% agree
Ben Quadinaros for the next character vote 😝
Love your stuff, thanks
We got yoda, now it’s time for Baby Yoda
May the Force be with you all. I have spoken!
The Yodalorian This is the way
Well, to me the only dis to the character of Yoda is the prequels CGI. I'd still give him an A though. Also, he has probably some the best moments in Empire. I mean, Do or do not. There is no try. Him raising the X-Wing matched with yet another perfect Star Wars soundtrack.
I loved Yoda’s scene in TLJ reminding Luke that failure can be a powerful lesson. That scene was so well done!!!!!!!!
Yoda is the reason I don’t underestimate people in real life There is always Depth to people
No one knocks Obi-wan off the high ground.
Palpatine came from Naboo. Jar Jar came from Naboo. Darth Sidious conformed
"Confirmed, the theory is. Beware of Darth Jar-Jar."
I loved Yoda's arc in the CW. You got to see both his wiser side but also his more playful side which later comes out after 20 years of self isolation. I would love to see more content that focused on him and let us learn more about him. Even if his species aren't all that unique besides their long lifespan, then that's what makes a force sensitive among him kind so valuable for the Jedi Order, or the Empire as seen in the Mandalorian. Given enough time, even if their force abilities aren't all that exceptional, then they can still become very powerful. Regardless, because of the rarity of his kind in Star Wars media, I can't help but have an interest, especially considering we don't even have a name for his species aside from "trydactil" as some fans have dubbed them. With 900 years of life to explore, there's plenty of room to have Yoda stories in various media.
Why does everyone think u have to be a well developed character with a full backstory and fully deep and fleshed out motivations to be s good character. In my eyes a good character is just someone who fulfils their role in the story well.
When the series end, could you please leave a picture of the final rankings? I'd also like one for the movies we ranked!
Knock Obi-wan off of the high ground, my friend Obi-wan owns the high ground.
Jar Jar Binks should be next
I didn't get to vote in this poll, but I would have given Yoda an A.
Yoda is one of the key elements that makes the Star Wars universe feel unique. Imagine if Lucas hadn't killed Obi-wan in A New Hope, and how different that would have made ESB. The Dagobah scenes would've been far more conventional, since Obi-Wan wouldn't be so reluctant to train Luke. But instead we got Luke going off an a quest thanks to getting advice from a ghost, and when arrived at his destination it looked like a dump. There were no grand statues of Jedi Knights from olden days, or any buildings at all except for Yoda's hut. So Luke gives in to failure and despair, and it's then when Yoda's true nature is revealed. Luke had to be broken down so this ridiculous, demanding, wonderful little green man could build him up again. He may have been a great actor, but it's hard to imagine the same thing happening with Alec Guinness.
Wow, Han Solo, Princes Leia, C3PO, R2D2, Chewbaca and Darth Vader ALL haven't been done yet? Do people still remember a small film called "Star wars"?
who?
Yoda's introduction in Empire is one of my favorite moments in the OT. Makes me laugh every time
Have you done a best lightsaber poll? If not that would be awesome
Yoda in ESB>any other movie he was in.
In my opinion his two best iterations are in Revenge of the Sith and Empire Strikes back
Please do Fives or Fox, Fives because he is awesome, Fox because I want to see how hated he is
Yoda is one of the most powerful and wisest Jedis of them all. Disney’s Mary Sue has nothing on him. He’s better than her.
Can we nominate R2D2 for the next character
Han Solo and Darth Vader, my 2 favorite characters, still haven't got a nom. smh
That was so cryptic as to who the obvious character is who isn't yet nominated... I wonder who it will be.
@4:49 whoa there... you wouldn’t cite groupthink as the Jedi Council’s principal folly, as opposed to any particular member’s oversight? Seems like Yoda’s being scapegoated a bit.
Agreed.
There was sually a member or 2 (or 3!) who disagreed with the rest of the Council. In other words, most were in collusion with Yoda ... but perhaps, just maybe someone may have been more in tune with the Force?
Qui-Gon, Dooku, Sifo Dyas, Pong Krell, and Maul all seemed to be aware (through the Force) that 'things were afoot.'
I would like to see Vader next.. I know it wouldn't happen but it would be hilarious to do Jabba and Jar Jar
What I love about Yoda is the fact that he failed in so many ways. He failed as a Jedi, he failed his students, and yet he did not let his failure destroy him. He learned from his failure and became a wiser man because of it.
I gave Yoda a C, should have been a B though.
Yes, he's iconic and a very important and properly written character, but I'd prefer Dooku (who got a load of problems storywise) most of the time. I subjectively gave him a c.
Objectively though:
In Prequels: B+
In Clone Wars: C
In The Clone Wars: A+
In Main Story: A
In Sequels: C-
So yeah, I can easily see why you'd give him an A. His story is very fluid and well written, I also like him and think he's lovely, but I find him very annoying sometimes.
Final Verdict: B+ for Yoda by me
Maybe we could do the story of the inquisitors? 🤔
I kinda like that idea.
I think everything you could ever want from Yoda as a character could be found in the only book he has: Dark Rendezvous. I think he's an A-class character without a doubt. He has a certain ageless charm to him and his teaching methods vary from the simple to the unorthodox.
Judge me by my size, do you?
Missed this poll, but A+ all the way.
As a 5ft 3in make update has had a large impact on my confidence
OUT OF THE LEFT FIELD THEORY: the succes of The Child (aka Baby Yoda) is because he remembers more TESB/OT Yoda than PT/CW Yoda. I explain. When Yoda was first introduced he act all erratic, all goofy, going through Luke stuff and annoying him non stop. The thing is THAT Yoda probably would press non stop the bottoms in Mando spaceship as The Child; TESB Yoda could be also fascinated by the bulb on the lever of the ship as the Child. PT Yoda was clearly a misguided fool, just how is pointed out ih the video. A truly awkward depiction of the character. So, The Child hits all the rights nostalgia bottoms. Someone comented on how "memeable" Yoda is, but really, most of those memes are OT memes. And The Child, as the "original" Yoda is extremely memeable ( if this is an actual word).PS: Did the droids ever were put to nominantion ?
@@emberfist8347 But that is enough to stablish the connection between both. Also mind that despite being/acting like 10month old a baby most of the time, WHENEVER it's needed The Child knows exactly how to use the force( even to choke people, something that Rey probably does not know). Maybe how Gideon said in the last episode The Mandalorian just have no idea what his dealing with. But the main post is that OT Yoda and the Child are shown as "good hearted" characters, while PT Yoda is just an arrogant prick , and that the public responds better to the latter.
Tbh I didn’t know there was this much of a discussion about Yoda. I saw him as one of the average pieces that makes Star Wars tick.
I bet we get a full Yoda backstory if they end up doing the High Republic
What you show is just as important as what you don't show. That's what made Han so interesting in the OT. We don't know what happened with Yoda for a huge portion of his life and that's why he's so interesting.
i forgot
yoda gave us this amazing art to speak
Yoda is my favorite character in Star Wars he is the best characters in my opinion in Star War's and their so much story that we have yet to see from him.
I would not say Rex is a better character than Ahsoka, but ok lol
The only 2 movie characters left that are around Yoda and obi range are Vader or R2. Do droids count in this list?
So Yoda can give up and go to exile for 19 years when he looses a fight with Sheeve, but Luke can’t do the same when he fails to prevent his nephew from turning to the Dark Side?
Yoda retrained himself while in exile... Luke just gave up. He also didn't fail to prevent Ben from falling to the dark side, he essentially caused it.
Also we now know that the reason Yoda chose this was because the force priestices show him of how the Jedi were doomed to fail, and that he couldn’t do anything to stop it, and had the responsibility of training another in the future.
Luke just gave up fully on who he was and tried to escape because he couldn’t deal with everything.
You're the only got second place because I didn't vote. I miss that pole. He's my favorite character of all time in Star Wars. That archetype in general is my favorite. There is a reason my avatar on here on RUclips is Master Oogway. The wise old Mentor archetype is my absolute favorite in fiction and literature and mythology. Yoda, Master Oogway, Gandalf, Dumbledore, Master Splinter from the Ninja Turtles, the grandma in Moana, Sheriff Wylie burp in Fievel Goes West. Doc in cars. Old Zorro in The Mask of Zorro. Uncle iroh in avatar The Last Airbender.
The character that is so far beyond anyone else and is so old that their character Arc took place a long time ago before the living memory of anyone else. They were once the hero of their story but that was centuries ago. Now they only exist to act as a catalyst for the new hero to learn everything that they need to know in order to internally be ready to face the bad guy.
I like how this character exists not to defeat the bad guy but to help someone else grow to the point where they can defeat the bad guy.
There's never a villain that is a match for the wise old Mentor. Because the wise old Mentor defeated their demons both external and internal demons a long time ago and nothing poses a threat to them anymore.
Darth Sidious was no match for Yoda, Thai Lung was no match for Oogway, Shredder was no match for Master Splinter, the ringwraiths including the witch-king were no match for Gandalf, Voldemort was no match for Dumbledore and even the Fire King was not a match for his brother iroh. They exist not to beat the bad guy but to get the young up-and-coming hero to beat the bad guy.