Why Does Hollywood Want Gen Z To Feel Bad For Serial Killers? *like let’s be fr*
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Hey Rummates, today we're here to talk about serial unalivers and how Gen Z MIGGHT have a little obsession with them due to media portrayal. We have a lot to get in to so let's talk about it.
Timestamps:
0:00 intro
1:10 how the unalivers have been portrayed in the past
4:09 the sinister side of media representation
6:36 is it ok for them to be in media at all?
7:54 real people vs fictional characters + you
10:08 final thoughts
#imurgency #commentary #youseason4 #genz
I find it shocking that many TV serial killers tend to be romanticised, with some people even sympathising with them. Chances are, if they weren't played by charismatic and conveniently attractive actors, then they might not receive this reaction.
They also probably wouldn't be written in the way they were too. These kinds of shows/movies/documentaries love to emphasize their "charm" and "beauty" rather than their actions and even when they do, it portrays it in a way that still focuses on the murderer and not the victims. The directors have just as much bias as the viewers
You’re everywhere.
@@macalmia the same goes for romantic movies like grease where dany tries to pressure sandy into sex, and by the end sandy completely changes who she is as a person, and the note book too..most of these movies displays toxic abusive behavior.
Well those actors are cast that way DELIBERATELY to elicit that reaction.
Casting Directors know what they're doing.
@@macalmia literally
Gen z might venerate serial killers *BUT* let's not act like millennials & GEN X don't gas up gangsters/drug lords who are equally murderous...
REAL
Indeed
Right and they are the ones making these shows
Truth
Wait ✋️, which Gangster shows did Millennials put out or gas up? The only ones I know of is Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire, but those had a mostly gen x audience...
Can Millennials just be poor and sad in the corner without being brought up🤷🏾♀️?
I actually have purposfully avoided watching "Dahmer" on Netflix for one particular reason, Why would I? It's a dramatization of something so disgustingly that it makes me want to throw up, their are plenty of documenteries that explain the gruesome things that these people have done without trying to make you sympathize with the terrible things that they CHOSE to do. These fans that romaticize them say that the way they lived caused them to do these things, THEY DO NOT. Killing someone is a choice and I find it unbelievable(sorry, I'm rambling at this point).
most of all documentaries are most likely done with the permission of the victim's families and often even include them and show them giving THEIR testimonies, which is key for me when watching true crime bc if the producers don't care enough to respect the ppl who actually had to mourn/ go through what they are trying to portray then clearly they are only doing it for the money/fame/awards etc and watching their show is giving them props for that very lack of respect/empathy
SAME
Two of my classmates in college were obsessed with the series. I didn't see it for obvious reasons. And to see how they talked about this as if it were only fiction felt... dehumanizing.
Exactly! I will never watch Dahmer
Right! Haven’t watched it either
Totally agree. I won’t watch the show.
I do feel like this is a problem. And it's not just Gen Z wanting this, it's Gen X and show creaters putting it out to them. I think it's Gen X's obsession coming to the surffice. As I see the show You, I like to see how Joe's mind works, and I hope he does get caught. Do I have a crush on Joe? No. I try to stay away from men or people like that.
Woooow, super good point! can’t believe I forgot about Gen X being the producers
I was about to say it’s not only Gen-Z wanting/watching this? Not everything is a generational thing. Some things are just people things. People have always been obsessed with serial killers
That is the issue with the show You they are on season 4 and it’s the same Joe getting away with the murders and still excusing his own behaviour, he won’t get caught because the show is literally about him. The whole gimmick is a serial killer stalker and once he is dead or caught, there is no show.
@@skalias815 Oh, I know that. I just meant it as a figure of speech.
@@skalias815 the same goes for romantic movies like grease where dany tries to pressure sandy into sex, and by the end sandy completely changes who she is as a person, and the note book too..most of these movies displays toxic abusive behavior.
As someone training to work in forensics, it really sickens me. The whole point of consuming true crime or of working in forensics is to help the victims. Help the victims get justice. Help the victims stay in the forefront of peoples hearts and minds. Yet again and again we get a hottie serial killer show that barely highlights the victims and was actively not okay with the families of victims. Imagine getting killed and then your murderer gets played in his own movie named after him by one of hollywoods hottest actors and you’re played by an extra with no lines. Like… wtf
Right… 💔💔💔
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yep. Society is sick.
The only thing that gets me enraged is when people romanticise REAL serial killers.
These people took actual human lives. It isn't a fun edgy harmless thing anymore when real people get involved
At least with fictional serial killers you can still like how the character is written and not agree with their actions. With real life serial killers there's just no way to justify liking them/romanticize them.
This kind of thing has been happening for YEARS, there's a term for these type of people but I forgot what they're called.
I think you're talking about hybristrophilia...I think spelled this right, but yeah, I agree with you
I won't watch the Dahmer series or the movie. They're exploitative and insensitive to the families of those who were brutally murdered. I like You, but I definitely see the issues with it. I feel like the second part of season 4 tried to nail home that Joe is SICK IN THE HEAD. And I hope Joe gets what's coming to him.
Penn Badgley is hot. Joe Goldberg is not.
Thank you so much for talking about this!
Exactly this. Chef’s kiss.
This is what I was thinking! Like being attracted to the actor is fine but their character...their serial killer character 😃 immediate help needed.
I agree, season 4 part 2 actually gave chills about Joe
You part 2 season 4 was so good because as the audience we were reminded that Joe is an unreliable narrator who tricks us into feeling sympathetic. The writers did a great job of showing Joe being “merciful” so it’s that more upsetting when we see he didn’t let those victims go mercifully at all and why did we believe he would? We did not see one Joe childhood flashback, there was less sex scenes to distract us from his true intentions, and the writing was just way more interesting. Penn Badgey desperately trying to get people to stop stanning Joe this season and I love it lol.
Spoiler!
The final victim (the boyfriend of his student - I’m bad with names) just shows how irredeemable he is and I love it. Like we never see a single bad or even complicated thing that poor guy did. Or for that matter Joe’s student who took the blame. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It was dumb that he killed an innocent man just because he happened to create a persona of him, despite knowing nothing about him, and imagining that the man was threatening him. And even after he finds out he did this, he still continues to use the poor man as his evil inner voice. The whole plot of that season hinged upon another murderer setting up Joe but it stopped making sense when it's revealed he did it.
@@gottesurteil3201 I thought Joe killed people for way less? He was always delusional and used those delusions to excuse his murders. He was never a Robin Hood/Zorro/grey hero kind of guy. But maybe I think that because I've read the books.
@@gottesurteil3201 he’d always been killing based off of the personas he created, that’s the point, it was never really justified
I was a kid when Dahmer was really around. I remember being absolutely terrified of him, and feeling so bad for the victims and their families. Fast forward to today and there’s a Netflix series about it…I refuse to watch, if not to avoid sensationalizing them, to, at the very least, respect the families that lost loved ones.
It's sad to know that the families didn't even want a show made out of it yet they did it anyway , shows they really didn't care about them.
Penn Badgley even started to resent his own character Joe for the amount of people who were sympathising with him, even as he was brutally slaughtering people. Even Millie Bobby Brown initially felt sorry for Joe, before eventually changing her mind.
SORRY for joe??? what even..>??
@@bunnywavyxx9524 ikr
@bunnywavy xx probably becoz of his childhood, but as an adult I don't fell sorry for him.
I find the show entertaining, but joe is by NO means a good or sympathetic character. Somehow he’s more likeable than penn’s character Dan on gossip girl though 😆dan had no redeeming characteristics whatsoever. At least joe had moments of guilt and regret but I’d still love to see him get caught and absolutely wrecked in jail in an upcoming season
@@Minptahhathorthat’s the biggest problem, show-makers show that because of repetitive trauma these killers became who they are. So we feel bad. But it is most likely not true as psychopaths are born like this. They just completely lack empathy in their heads.
Desirability plays a huge role in why people romanticize these monsters, like they’re not good people.
Why does everything nowadays have to be a generational thing? Haven’t people always been obsessed with serial killers. I don’t know it feels like a people thing.
but it’s the older generations creating this content for us now to indulge in
@@kphoria1009 I mean the oldest Gen-Z is 26/27 now they are also in the writers rooms on production teams etc. I'm just saying not everything is a generational thing. In this case the obsession with serial killers has always been a thing.
@@riverdorfsee4324 I doubt a 26 year old gen z is leading in the production. Face it its you older people that have a sick obsessed with serial killers and you want young generations like generation alpha and gen z to be obsessed with it.
serial killer dramas like dahmer never sat right with me. like, your watching people act out the families of serial killer victims, then trying to make a "good mc" out of a serial killer. like thats really weird
Actually I think the second part of You was us finally being able to see how much of a monster Joe is. Not that he hasn’t been a monster all this time but usually he was always able to justify his actions to himself but framing Nadia and putting her into prison was the nail in the coffin. Like he did that to a young, probably not well off (she does 4 jobs or smth), brown female student. The writing so far on this show is really quite amazing actually I hope they finish it well.
and his other student Edward! like he talked to these kids for months and then just did that. I was incredibly unhappy that they threw that in.
@@munchiekins why unhappy? imo it shows his true colors and that even tho he knows and talks to people for a longer period of time, or even gets close and/or romantically involved with them, he still doesn't feel anything and ends up killing all of them. it wasn't anything out of character for him
@afrodita jovanova I understand the choice I think I just felt upset because I believed he understood how fucked up he was which is why he was willing to jump off the bridge. I felt played with. But I understand the choice they made.. just I actually thought maybe Kate and Joe will be able to be good together but it seems they just cover each others mistakes or something.
@@munchiekins Joe is not gonna end up the hero. It’s similar to Walter White type of character. He will not have a happy ending. But hopefully it will be cathartic for us. Either he’ll end up in prison or killed. We shall see
@Sam I know that... I was never under any illusion he is a good person but I hoped he was making better choices. Like how he kept ignoring Rhys when Rhys wanted him to just kill Marienne and get with Kate. Felt like Joe really tried to do right by jumping off the bridge so I hoped he would continue to try. But instead hes just fully committed to being evil now. So I feel mad at myself for falling for it you know 🫠
It is very concerning that it took You pt2 for more viewers to go "Joe is actually scary"... I'm like "HOW ARE YOU JUST NOTICING THAT??"
Exactlyyyy. He was always like that
Exactlyyyy. He was always like that
I remember reading years ago that the writers of Dexter wanted him to be more deplorable but the network pushed them to make him more "likeable" and "relatable." It's a very weird topic with some...mm..sketchy behind-the-scenes motivations. Thanks for moving the conversation forward. We have to think critically about our media!
True Crime will always have its appeal in every generation it’s why it keeps going despite the controversy, we will always be fascinated with people who can take a life- because at the end of the day it’s still hard to wrap our heads around murder.
True crime isn't only aboit the murderer. I know a True Crime channel who nearly never talk about murderers and talk way more about the victim's experiences and the investigation. And even the book series "You" wasn't glamorizing Joe but showing all his ugly and pathetic sides, and his delusions and obsessions besides his romance attempts. (The show kinda tried at times to do it too, like contrasting his sweet talking to his girlfriend with burying the body, but it seems like they pushed the attractiveness/charm side way more and it all came off balance).
The writers of Lovely Bones did a good job of not romanticizing a serial killer played by a conventionally attractive actor Stanley Tucci. That movie still gives me chills to this day
One of the things that I loved so much about the "You" novels by Caroline Kepnes is that every single character is a bad person. I prefer Joe in the novels because he's much more clearly irredeemable, but I get that that may not translate well onscreen. I do love Badgely's portrayal! My issues lay with Netflix's writing choices.
You are doing the Lord’s work!! We have become so desensitized to these horrible acts we literally make shows about it? For entertainment? Like bffr FR! And like you said it seems like these shows are trying to show these ppl in a good light and like for why??? I don’t like Joe I really don’t and I watch to see him get his comeuppance seriously
And remember these were originally called “programs” not shows so let that sink in.
I was so happy when it seemed he was being the one stalked and harassed in the first half of season 4.. but it turned out he still was never in real danger which is frustrating to keep seeing him get away with it.
i did a video essay like this when I was in high school about the romanticization of serial killers/abusive relationships etc and I'm so glad to see other people talking about it too
That’s awesome. What are your thoughts on the romanization of drug abusers/dealers?
I think the problem with casting conventionally “good-looking”actors is that people won’t separate the character from the actor. I’ve thought this a lot with Zac Efron playing Ted Bundy, like he’s known for playing characters who most people love and he has a massive fan base, so I think it’s damaging for him to be cast as a such a horrible person because Zac’s fans won’t fully understand/take seriously that he’s playing Ted Bundy. It’s creating a more positive imagine of him- think Ted Bundy, Zac Efron’s portrayal comes to mind, not the actual serial k*ller.
I also think it’s a difficult topic because a lot of serial k*llers are charming or charismatic which is how they gain the trust of their victims, which could be easy for a viewer to like them due to these qualities. But then again, there’s a difference between liking someone’s charm, and romanticising an awful, awful human being.
My sister and friends were shocked how I wanted Dexter and Joe to mess up and get caught. I hated how Dexter ended and wanted him to go to jail, because he’s a MURDERER 😂. Even in anime with death note I didn’t like Light at all and was satisfied when he got his own comeuppance.
You should watch the latest season of Dexter I think you’ll enjoy it.
This is why I love Barry so much. As the show goes on, no matter how much you want to sympathize with Barry, the show won’t let you because there’s no one to cast the blame on except Barry. And the show doesn’t glorify the violence, even torture scenes are only psychological or shown off screen which I really appreciate.
There's a difference between having an interest of True Crime, and straight up Romantic Attraction to these awful people. Fictional or not it's still wrong, even more wrong if it's True
The creators of the non-fictional serial-killer biopics need to be looked into, because I don't understand their obsession with needing to tell their story while humanising and romanticising them. Just tell their stories honestly, or don't at all. They literally have 0 compassion or consideration for the victims families, and I think that's awful.
This is why documentaries are the only way that we should learn about serial killers as someone who want to study criminology and psychology it helps me separate any feeling towards serial killers I just wanna learn.
They put so much care into the murders character and not enough to the victims families
you makes joe super relatable, we're always in his pov, and he could be doing the most vile things, we will always have his little internal monologue, we feel safe, we know what he thinks. an like you said, it's easy to romantacise him, it's the point, you need to fall in love with joe, showing that the most mediocre white men can get away with ANYTHING because of their privilege. but that scene in s4 episode 8, when we're in marienne's pov, and we can't hear joe anymore, and he is not responding, he is just focused on his computer, not even there, this is when you see the real joe. he is doing what he always does, except this time we're not with him, we're with his victim and he is TERRIFYING. plus this is the season that had joe hurt the character that's usually there to humanize him the kid he's there to protect, now he hurt her without any remorse, so this feels like a shift from nice joe, next season he is gonna be darker
they shouldn’t have given joe goldberg a beard
like they knew what they were doing
You is interesting because based off Penn Badgely's interviews, it seems like the whole point of the show was that Joe is able to get away with everything because he is a moderately intelligent attractive white men, and it's interesting to see the viewers of the show quite literally fall for the same things that the characters are falling for. So many people talking about how much they were rooting for/sypathiszing with Joe all throughout s4 until the very end?? Meanwhile, the episode with the stalker lady was very clearly showing that she and Joe are exactly the same, yet people still weren't seeing it. Idk if it's that the writers are intentionally making it so murky, or audiences are just not able to overlook his attractive yt-ness.
And I know it's a fictional character, but fiction does not exist in a vacuum and given the context of how people have these SAME reactions to irl killers, it's very weird and problematic and feels sort of akin to doing something problematic under the guise that it "technically doesn't hurt anyone". Like y'all are WEIRD!! And I think something else that makes it especially nefarious is that the writer's aren't "writing Joe to be likeable", Joe is perceived as likeable because he is attractive and WHITE! Given the exact same script but with a black man playing Joe I gaurantee you there would be nowhere near as much sympathy for this character that folks are giving him. And let's not even talk about if Joe was a conventionally unattractive man, folks would have been calling for his head by the end of season 1. So it's especially infuriating to watch fans give sympathy towards a yt fictional character that they would never give to a fictional character of color and they don't give to REAL life people of color!! Y'all are SICK!! And that's why to me, the excuse of You being a fictional show it not enough to absolve folks of the strangeness of all of this because while the show is fictional, it is very real things/ideologies/practices/cultural norms that are shaping the way people interact with the character and in extension, the way they will react to real live people, because at the end of the day I truly don't believe folks are able to just "turn off" how they feel about these characters on the basis of them being real or not.
This video is so real, I literally though I was the only that felt this way. Especially when you mentioned the glamorization and the edits being used in a light fun way. Good video!
They been glorifying tf out of serial killers lately n it’s absolutely SICK, I genuinely question ppl that enjoy these shows
Not to be all "THE YOUTHS" but I think the fact that younger millenials/gen z have grown up mostly interacting via screens has affected the ability to feel empathy for others on a big scale. I think that's why there is so much interest in true crime. People see these things as puzzles and titillation and the real life pain of the victims and their loved ones is just an abstract concept easily put out of your mind. Everybody thinks they are the main character and they don't care about dead NPCs.
I believe this has to do with the rise of the sympathetic villian trope. At first it was fine given that the villians are fictional(like Magneto, Maleficent, Cruella, and etc.), but soon began to get applied to real world villians. Plus I believe people confuse understanding someone vs justifying their actions, with many believing that you have to fall into both and not just one.
LOVE HIS CONTENT 😭
Watching you was always a roller coaster because I could never wrap my thoughts around joes character 😭
Joe is meant to be an unreliable narrator. His words don't match with his actions; he's an antagonistic protagonist. He wants the audience to feel sympathy for him, but it the end we can see through his actions we're not supposed to feel bad for him whatsoever. Knowing that people actually feel things for him is incredibly alarming, but also proves that how his character monologues are manipulative which is his how in the show he always gets away with his actions. It's really fascinating, but in the end, nobody should feel bad for Joe, he chose to be a killer 😭 when he clearly knows he shouldn't be doing what he's doing.
this is the content i needed after i finished YOU part 2😭😭 im still so upset by the ending
What happened?
@@sheylaanglesey3511 he did everything he always does but now he's got the power/money to do everything he wants (kill/frame/stalk/kidnap etc) without any repercussions, and the character just seems to have shred the "serial killer trying to be good" thing and just embraced his evilness completely, so he won basically (for now at least) and didn't spend a single day in jail while at it
@@bealbobe thx
@@bealbobe “for now” .. will there be a season 5 ?
I remember watching some of “YOU” with friends, and we all analyzed the crap out of it since we all were in creative writing club, lol. There are certain things I watch that I disagree with for analytical watching.
I just think its sick that hollywood keeps romansticing mess up thing that has happened like leave in the past
The continual use of “unalivers” made this hard to follow. I get that some words risk demonetized but I’m wary of reasons why the algorithm (re: companies/advertisers) wants all us to avoid say “kill” when it wasn’t an issue before. Should we let them shape our language?
Finally someone puts my thoughts into words. Don't get me wrong there are times I have been very intrigued by certain cases and killers, but seeing people dress up as Jeffrey Dahmer for Halloween made me overly disgusted because who i the right mind finds that funny?!
Honestly i kinda enjoyed the most recent season of YOU just because i think by the end of the season the writers really exaggerated this time that joe isn’t somebody we should be rooting for. i love how they pushed the point that this man is actually horrible and will do anything for self satisfaction, or in the name of self preservation, regardless of who goes down because of that. netflix wanted us to develop a connection with this character to the point that we make excuses for him, like the occasional “good” things he does or his inner dialogue of “sympathy or guilt” but ultimately in the end he’s not somebody to be making excuses for lol
It started way before gen z. But I do see an uptick in the romantic love these kids have for straight up k!llers. And of coarse an uptick in school violence and I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
Don't forget incels and mgtow, people like Andrew Tate coming straight for young boys minds. Most of the victims are usually young women, the reasoning has some similarities as well.
as a person who is a part of gen z, i actually really like true crime. but there’s a difference between true crime documentaries and then romanticized murder shows and movies. i refuse to watch the show “dahmer” because i have watched the ted bundy movie and it was so upsetting. they had a beloved actor play the role of a serial killer and they romanticized the entire thing. i know the case really well and even i found myself rooting for him and i’m not even attracted to guys. but i grew up watching zac efron and my sister loved him so seeing him play a serial killer was so confusing. since i like the actor who plays jeffrey dahmer i know that it’s going to be that same feeling that i had when watching the ted bundy movie so i’m not going to watch it. also it’s so disrespectful that the writers didn’t get the victim’s families consent before making the show. documentaries are ok because they revolve around the facts and don’t romanticize anything. shows and movies about these tragic things are disgusting and they shouldn’t have been made. as a person who likes true crime, i am so disappointed that people make shows and movies about these things and change the stories and make the killers likeable
so cool i found you before you blew up! your video style is awesome! can't wait to see more
love the new intro/editing!
There's a reason why I didn't watch the Jeffrey doc. If every single victim's family says no to this, then why would Netflix purposefully still film? I found it absolutely disrespectful. Hollywood has a weird fascination with serial killers and making good looking people play them.
the shows tell the story with the killers as the story tellers. It was great that part B of season 4 showed us Marienns story. I kind of wish we had gotten to hear more of the series from her perspective
Not just serial killers but villains in general. Look at Maleficent and Cruella. It’s like they are re writing the back story to make them more sympathetic, so I thought, so are we going to see how she turns animal haters that she was.
You are right and you should say it. I am not on tik tok so learning about the fan stuff for the Dahmer show was surprising and disturbing. I feel for the victims and their loved ones.
Spoiler Warning for YOU Season 4 I guess-
I disliked how similar Joes “other half” gets to dissociative identity disorder, and portraying it as a violent other personality (like DID is always portrayed in media). I’m not sure if that’s what they were going for but it made me stop watching. Not only did it ruin the mystery involved with the eat the rich killer and essentially made all of part one useless, but to me it just seemed like another way to take blame off Joe (further romanticizing him) and place it all on this “other half”.
Not to mention Netflix seems to have a pattern of villainizing DID…
@@Bachiraaaaaaaaah24 Tbh, DID is generally villainized in media whoever does it. The movies or shows that do not portray it as a serial killer condition are few and far between. I mean even Moon Knight, however good and somewhat accurate (better than others, at least), do have the character being a killer and possibly that third alter being a ruthless psychopathic-like killer (I'm not sure but that was the vibe).
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for making this video!
As a Gen Z, I sure am a fan of true crime docs. Lately I've been kinda obsessed with researching these killers who may or may not have already been released. It's crazy to think these types of people have gone through such extreme lengths to feed their innermost dark desires.
id honestly love to see you talk about dexter… like the show is kinda crazy
“WE, not me”
now im writing a story spanning 12 years set in the 90s about the russian mafia in miami-new york. And the thing is I want my new main character to have that "hate to love" feel about them because of who they are representing but they do a lot of murderous acts.
I agree it made me very very angry and upset that people were fanning over real life killers such violent and vile people who took people’s lives away and forever hurt their families and friends and the glamorization is immortalizing violent people and how they gloss over the real effects that happened when someone looses a family member or a friend violently and it’s so public
i don't really care about tv shows/movies with fictional serial killers, because well they are fictional. but tv shows/movies about real life murderers who killed real people whose families are still alive and traumatized and have to relive the traumatic events over and over because hollywood keeps creating romanticized versions of serial killers. yeah that's what really disgusts me.
I watch a ton of these videos and yall never mentioned the goldmine that started this all. Hannibal. The tv series with Mads -that series never even tried to humanize Hannibal he was just hot and predator like. I had to google that Hannibals sister was cannibalized.
great video! totally agree
OMG. Now that I'm having a flashback, I feel awful about myself.
I watched "my friend Dahmer" movie & later on I started to point out how wrong his family or his surrounding but I never justified his crime 😏.
I'm never gonna watch or work in Serial killer movies or shows ever.
I think it would be interesting to consider these things in comparison to people's reaction to Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal from Silence of the Lambs -- who is also charismatic and likable, played by a popular actor, but not conventionally attractive. The choice of his casting was a calculated move, because you're supposed to build an attachment to him parallel with Clarice doing the same thing, and then at the end of the movie you're confronted with how deeply evil he is and what he's capable of, and it's jarring and makes you question how your perception of people can be so skewed.
Similarly [ spoilers ahead if you haven't seen the movie What Lies Beneath and you care about being spoiled ] casting Harrison Ford as the character who turns out to be the killer is also a deliberate choice to subvert audience expectations, because in a time before dramatic twists in every single drama, who would suspect him? This was really well done.
So I wonder sometimes if this is part of the mindset involved when these conventionally attractive people are cast in these deeply unlikable roles -- that you can replicate the experience of liking and trusting someone only to be shown how deeply awful they are and to struggle with those opposing perceptions... but instead, what's resulting is a lot of people who are just thirsty for serial killers.
For my part, I don't know if it's the shows themselves that are responsible for this phenomena so much as they are the vehicles for exposing it.
"i, too, got mommy issues! i, too, don't wanna be alone! let me stan this man." 9:39 🤣
It’s not the attraction that’s the problem because at the end of the day, you can’t control who you’re attracted to. I find it weird, but there really isn’t much wrong with finding Bundy or Dahmer physically attractive. It’s the excusing and the jokes made because people finds them attractive that’s disgusting. It’s the people saying stuff like “I’d drink Dahmer’s whiskey coke” or “Bundy wouldn’t be r-wording me because I’d let him do it” that is the problem
I couldn’t agree more. Excellent, important video.
Great vid, you really calling out the lonely people with mommy issues
These stories told as limited series or films became really popular in the early 90s. I remember so many Black Dahlia, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Menedez Brothers and many more all made into limited series or movies. I think these stories will keep being told especially when it comes to situations where we find out the media withheld information for years.
7:35 "In fictional series nothing is real, nothing about that is real" and you later mention Dexter. I don't blame you for not knowing but Dexter was based on a real serial killer Pedro Rodrigues Filho. So sometimes fictional works about serial killers contain elements of non fictional serial killers. It's slightly better and more respectful to the victim's families than using actual serial killers but it's still kinda problematic.
It's been so long since your last upload 😭
I agree what you are saying about dahmer and the other real life serial killers, and that these depictions can be considered as (unintentionally) continuing the allready existant romantization of those men during their life and active period of doing crime. And i agree especially with your point about how disrespectful it is to the victims and their families.
I remember watching something where the creators of Hannibal (the tv show) were talking about the psyche and pathology of their depiction of hannibal lector, and one side note that stood out to me was: we can't analyse him as a serial killer, because he is fictional and made up by writers; his psyche is an artistic interpretation of a serial killer written with intent to be consumed and entertaining in an artistic and narrative piece. The furthest you can go is examine the psyche of the writers of such a show, but it cant necessarily teach you indepth about actual serial killers. Which is good because Hannibal Lecter is fiction.
(((((( That being said, i personally dont even think hannibal lecter is that similar to joe or dexter because - even though he is charismatic and has the childhood trauma and arguably a desire to be loved - he never has motivations of wanting to do good. He is always evil or indifferent. You hate him a lot of the time, but you do also root for him often: bc it is entertaining to see the corrupted and evil thing happening, not necessarily because you genuinely believe he has the potential to change. (ngl, this is a bit of an unnuanced way of describing how it is to watch hannibal but i dont feel like writing even more)
It is similar to liking the horror genre, which is i think an ajacent discourse to the fictional serial killers on tv and film discourse.))))))
So that is indeed one aspect of the difference: the writers of dahmer are only merely representing an interpretation and desire to sell their show, but they dont get away with it because their representation is not accurate to the real person and real events, and that misrepresentation is partly bc they didn't care enough about doing the right thing (aka getting the hint when none of the victims families got back to them). And at that point you are not acting according to the responsability that you have as tv makers/artists/storytellers.
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I feel like Damon Salvatore is the romanticization of Serial Killers as well
Perhaps but that was also fantasy, he's a vampire. Vampire's are fictional beings that exist in fantasy genre's. I can see how it's similar but I think ppl being obsessed with Joe another fictional character is slightly different bc it mimics more of something that could actually happen.
I'M SO GLAD SOMEONE IS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THISSS
I absolutely love your videos, they are so well said and thoughtful. Thank you for talking about this, I really did not understand the hype around Dahmer. I have no interest in watching it even as someone who is Gen Z
i love your video i just think its so crazyyyyyy how youtube is sensitive to you just saying serial killers lmaoooo idk why unaliversss just sounds sooooo dumb lmaooo like even when i hear it on tictac lol
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This season of You really fixed this problem i would say
I love you bc you are always incredibly right about these things. i absolutely LOATHED You season 4 and also most of the other seasons when i thought deeply about what the fuck i was watching…i hate how ppl love joe and ESPECIALLY after this season. It kinda makes me disgusted at myself for even watching. I think these shows need to stop. Tbh some ppl could get ideas bc of how the serial killers are able to get away with things and their ways-its gross and promotes and glamorizes violence despite not meaning to or claiming to not mean to.
мне кажется раньше люди просто игнорировали, закрывали глаза на ужаснейшие преступления, не хотели верить в это и участвовать в этом. им было легче промолчать.
а сейчас вся эта романтизация, поиск в маньяках чего-то человечного, попытка их понять - это своего рода закрытие глаз, только современное. снова побег от реальности. люди будто очень глупы либо пытаются казаться дураками, лишь бы не осознавать насколько этот мир жестокий
I think writers do very shallow psychological digs into anti-social criminals. Because they do tend to be overly charming to compensate for their general lack of social care. And that translates poorly on screen because, well, Hollywood. I think TV shows like the sinner and some other dramas are good at keeping the balance
I think their intent is to explain to people how some people came to be the way they are. No one is born that way, it happens with life experiences sometimes. They should still be held accountable for their actions.
This is called taking the creepypasta phase into adulthood
if the ending of season 4 of YOU doesnt stop fans from obsessing over Joe idk what will
they continue to only portray the "attractive" serial killers throughout history. If they did a movie/show about John Wayne Gacy, he would not be romanticized because of how he looked.
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Something that I thought when you said that Using actors that are already admired gives the idea that these monsters were charismatic ...charming and manipulative... drawing people in ...
But I honestly think that is the most realistic portrayal of these people. Now hold on. Before someone goes for my neck I'm not saying this is still a good thing. It's not. We should not be glamorizing them.
But that doesn't erase that the most common reason some of these guys got away for so long is BECAUSE of their charisma. BECAUSE of the pseudo personality that they portray to keep themselves as far from suspicioun as possible while also being able to fulfill the common activity of the killer returning to the crime to be around it. A lot of these Victims were truly fooled by a facade by someone they didn't see as a threat. Hell in the case of BTK he had a whole ass family.... The guy that kidnapped the girl in alaska from her job and sent the police a picture of her dead body posed as if she was still alive.... HR had a family too. Right next to where he stored the Victim.
I don't think that they do this WELL bc it turns more into fantalization rather than a big old red flag that it actually is. It should be telling you JEY you can't trust everyone you know. Instead well... We get people who marry serial killes in prison. So. Big old fail there
i’m writing a summer flick and i feel like i have to send it to you for imergenproval
AAH thank u for the spoiler warning. will be back when I finish Season 4 of You 👀👀👀
This goes back at least to Monster (2003) where Charlize Theron played Eileen Wuornos and was given a *VERY* sympathetic treatment
I accepted Ted Bundy played by Zac Efron because he was perceived as attractive back then but from everything i read Dahmer never had that.
i’m in generation z and actually i like true crime but some people don’t make a huge differences between the fictional and the reality.
Honestly I wish they could do a documentary or series on the life of the victims (with their families permission of course). In mostly all notorious serial killer cases, victims are ignored and shunned and sometimes even demonised and blamed for their circumstances.
Telling the lives and stories of the victims, family and friends reflecting on them can reinforce how horrible these murderers are, taking away a life that was loved by so many. It humanises victims the way they should be.
I know it’s not ‘drama’ or ‘entertaining’ but when you’re doing media on real life serial killers/murderers/r*pists, I don’t think it should ever be romanticised.
For example everyone talks about how “handsome and charismatic” Bundy was but we never talk about how he r*ped and murdered the 12 year old, Kimberly Leach, among so many others who had their lives ripped away from them.
If these companies want drama then they can make up a serial killer to fit their narrative.
I haven’t gotten fully into the video yet but I just wanna say what if shows about serial killers weren’t about the serial killers. Like what if shows that are supposed to be about serial murders and these terrible events did not surround the serial killer themself and instead focused on telling the stories of the actual victims. What if each episode focused on the lives of the victims even way before the event of their murder. What if we got to know them, got to love them, maybe even hate them, got to feel with them, see them live as human beings. Then by the end of the episode, they’re murdered, brutally murdered, and we see the life drain from their eyes and THEN we see the killer, not necessarily even their face. I recently watched a video essay on how to make a movie truly anti-war, it talked about how it was important to show how easily lives could be thrown away by authorities and those in command at the drop of a hat. I can’t remember the channel name of the video but it was very interesting and if you want you should give it a watch. So my point is, to make a film anti war, we should show how lives can be easily thrown away, for serial murder/serial killer shows, I think we should portray how important a person’s life is and how it was taken away by another person. Maybe then people will stop obsessing over these killers like this. Why not even avoid showing the killers face at all? If the killer wanted attention like Luka Magnotta, then that’s the best path. That’s all I really have to say :)
falling for serial killers is just completely beyond strange and concerning and makes me question people
on a real note sista, have you watched any kdramas? if you have you should do a tier list video on the shows or characters.
Please watch Good Trouble it's an amazing series and I think it fits in the older Gen-Z category that you say is lacking variety
I feel the creators and the writers of these shows and movies are sick in the head to even think of this type of stuff. the company’s like Netflix also have a role in even funding it is very strange too. It’s wrong on there part and I don’t think it’s the publics fault for enjoying or falling for these shows and characters, the writers and the creators knew what they were doing smh.