I Watched The Idol So You Don't Have To *and it's worse than you think*
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Hey Rummates, today we're going to talk about the first episode of The Idol! We're getting into controversy, drama, and the review of episode 1.
Timestamps:
0:00 intro & setting the stage
2:44 the controversy
3:45 a special message
4:42 the controversy continued
8:00 my initial thoughts on the show
10:08 the sam levinson effect & the male gaze
11:52 episode 1 review
#imurgency #theidol #euphoria
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Can you talk about XO, Kitty or s4 of Never Have I Ever?
i bought that for my son in law and it made him go bald, wouldnt recommend.
I guess the weekend isn't black enough for you
the fact that the weeknd thought that a show literally portraying the struggles of being a female pop star was getting too much of a feminine pov should have been the biggest red flag 🚩
We don’t really know what it’s about yet
Lol then in strolls the second red flag, Sam Levinson
Maybe the show isn’t about jocylyn
Yet you're gonna keep watching every week.
@@Loch1210 she's literally the main character
the reason Weekend thought it was "too feminine" at first is because it was originally written by a woman, but he didn't like that so he eventually got her to leave the project and that's why Sam The Creep Levinson is on now. It went from a female-led perspective to a male gaze fantasy
I hate that Abel said that too, but HE wrote the original script, not a woman. Originally there was a female director tho, and after Sam took over he also rewrote the entire series. People have said that the original script was way better and that The Weeknd didn’t touch it since Sam hopped onto the project. Just something that the person said in the rolling stone article that people seem to look over.
@@lumpyspacepeebs2184 I'm sorry but it makes it even worse that he wrote a story with a female protagonist and then didn't like it when the perspective got "too feminine"
@@Nina-hf5uvthis show is awesome
@@shawnymac6870ok rapist
People beginning to realize Abel is exactly the person he is in his music...
Sam Levison is the type that personally wants to see his female actors do & say certain things for his own self pleasure so he writes a bunch of random lines and scenes into the show that don't even make sense. He needs to be investigated.
reminds me of when James Franco was an "acting teacher" who took advantage of his female students
exactly, i’m never watching anything else that sam touches
season 2 euphoria was disgusting
@juliarangelr yess. He only likes actors that will do whatever he wants with no questions asked. And the actors who will actually say no (cough cough) *Barbie* will get scenes cut and barely put in the show. It's like we're watching someone with a *orn addiction create shows.
@@AM-sb9rt😂😂😂
@@juliarangelr how
It ANNOYS me heavily that The Weeknd complained that the original script was too focused on a “female” lens and got the original story writer fired. Like what? How can you get the creator of the story fired from her OWN show.
He wrote it at first?.. the director also mentioned scheduling conflicts? People love to omit details that don’t fit this hate bashing.
@@wiiplaya25why would they scrap a show that was 80% finished just because of “scheduling conflicts”?
A story about a woman, where her being a woman is necessary to the plot, had too much of a female lens?
@@joshraid1550 they want the female object in it's purest iteration no thinking, passion, or nuance just need her to illustrate their fantasies
They want a story about a woman but the perspective should still be masculine. Make it makes sense 😑
i was genuinely uncomfortable with the weeknd’s performance it feel a little too real
ion trust him he’s probably like thag irl
and the fact that he puts his real name for the character :,,)
@@user-vc5bc9qk1e that ain’t The Weeknd’s real name or am I missing something??
@@Swerv0. omg yes it’s tandros i’m sorry 😭😭
I felt the same. Some ppl might argue that this is a good acting but here’s the thing. The Weeknd doesn’t seem affected by his character. We know his character is kinda a r@pist, manipulative and overall an intensely crazy character. So many actors who play intense roles like joaquin pheonix as joker, kate winslet in the reader, evan peters as jeffrey dahmer, zac efron as ted bundy, etc, they’re all affected and some are traumatized by their crazy characters. Cuz obviously its hard to act as something that serious and something you are FAR not…… But the Weeknd as Tedros felt real, he’s comfortable in playing the role, he seems proud of it and he seems….way too natural.
I feel like the weekend wanting to change the plot is just an excuse to touch the lead as much as possible. Why is everyone acting shocked about him playing a character that gives you the ick when his music especially his older stuff is ALL about him womanizing models and heavy drug use. This probably is how he is in real life.
I'm saying..like i like his music just as much as the next guy but some of his lyrics just gives me the ick😬so i'm not that surprised really
@@chocolateiguess1613 yessssss
@@PinkBubbleMartiniYou think bbtm is crazy? Listen to House of Balloons or Thursday
I immediately thought of his song initiation after I saw the first episode. Like damn he really was telling us who he was.
it’s because the weeknd is a character not a real person
Man, I love The Weeknd but his entire involvement in this show is just... ugggh. The fact that he and Sam turned the show from a more empowering show for women from a female perspective to whatever this gross male fantasy is just gives me the icks. Also, his rattail gives me p**o vibes for some reason.
FRRRR
This show can really go good but the weekend character was so creepy that I’m wondering if his character was like deleted if the show would be better cus that last scene had me crying
its like to the point where its actually triggering like okay you can make these "toxic" dominating manipulative male characters but at least imho there needs to be a little bit of an element of unrealisticness. like christian grey couldn't exist, he isn't real. you can watch it because you have some solace in the fact that he cant really hurt you. tedros can, and does. and so many girls have had to deal with it. its lowkey triggering like its too real. he gives "is it bubblegum pink" vibes and it just makes me so uncomfy especcially since the show doesn't actually seem to be putting in the work to demonize that and actually draw the line and paint him in the bad light he deserves to be painted in --- it seems like its actually glorifying it. its just so icky and ew and shudder-inducing
He literally fired the original director Amy because she was diving into the female perspective and actually making the show good but because it showed less of him he didn't like it. Wtf. Like I like abel but this is a major side eye.
@@idaf3028 the fact he feels so comfy playing this creepy ass role plus him removing the original director tells me that maybe there's quite a few reasons to not like him... keep in mind this guy made music for 50 shades, so he probably thinks he's daddy af lmfaoo
My problem with Sam Levison is that he does Sexual but not Sexy. And there is a HUGE difference between those two. There is no problem with Sexy and it's usually fun and hot. Sexual is usually just uncomfortable and awkward.
He tried to tell the audience it’s sexy but no it’s disgusting
I think our world today is PORN culture and there is no mystery anymore. Porn culture has infected our society in movie( the Idol) and lets face it female rap music. Its cringe and not necessary...
@@njdrummer7120 rap music period not just female rap music
@@eyitsyaboi4527CLEARED.
@@njdrummer7120not just rap music but all music a lot of music videos now a days are just singers dancing suggestively in lingerie. And even movies and social media is full of weird perverted content which is why I just stick to RUclips and Pinterest 🫤
I've never been a fan of Levinson. I got to the line in Euphoria where Maddy "pretended" she didn't remember hooking up with that one nerdier kid to make Nate jealous and I stopped watching. A topless underage girl being nonconsentually choked and doubling back implying she liked it then another girl lying about sex because she regretted it, it was a slimy sexist's victim blaming tweets played out on screen and no one seemed to notice.
Then y'all let him get so big for his britches he wrote Malcolm & Marie. I really hated how the internet just let a movie about the struggles of a black artist and a black couple written but only a white man skate by. So welcome to the Levinson hate train everyone I've been waiting for y'all for way too long.
Remember when Maddy had her first time at 14 with some 40yo man? Like EXCUSE ME😧😧😧
@MoonQueen And when it said she was in control??? A 14yo in "control" over a 40yo man?????
@@moonmoon99999i literally didn’t even know this omfg. I didn’t watch all of season 1. Wtf. Sam Levinson needs to be investigated
Him writing Malcolm and Marie is just so….what? Why?
I totally agree that Levinson adds sexually explicit writing in his shows when it doesn’t necessarily add to the plot. I don’t think the Maddy “pretending” she didn’t hookup with a guy to make Nate jealous was a bad idea. Throughout the show these characters make undeniably reckless decisions, but we as the audience are able to see the consequences of them. Maddy selfishly lied about that situation and an innocent guys life was ruined. We also see how Cassie’s constant need for male validation leads her down a path of betrayal to her closets friend. He has some really cool ideas that have the potential for a great story. I think where he goes wrong is he uses an absurd amount of nudity to attract viewers rather than solely relying on good writing.
Like "Don't Worry Darling", the Behind the Scenes drama is more interesting than anything else in front of the scenes.
Literally 😭😭😭
Can we genuinely stop giving Sam money to make his pervy music videos he calls shows?
i’m on board with this 🙏
Yes, please 💯
Seriously. Like people are probably still going to hate watch the show which is so annoying cause thats just helping it.
Sam Levinson is the Dan Schneider of HBO 😭😭😭😭😭
He’s actually worse. He already produces Euphoria but nooo he wants the world to see more his unwanted disgusting sexual fantasy
I'm surprised he didn't get kicked out for writing the line about Maddy (euphoria character) being the "one in control", when she dated a middle aged man at 14 years old
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Underrated comment 😭
This show is literally euphoria x1000 when it comes to sex. In my opinion Sam was limited to how much he was able to get away with because the characters are high schoolers but with this show he can basically go as crazy as he wants and I can already tell by the first episode. I don’t mind sex being apart of shows but there were so many times it was unnecessary and too over done throughout the first episode.
I honestly doubt he cared that his characters were high schoolers, there was still a lot of nudity and sex scenes for people who were in high school. It was wayyy overdone in euphoria and weird asf
omg second ep only got worse which is a shame bc the parts that completely did not involve sex or whatever the fck tedros is supposed to be doing is so good …. still
missing more of jocelyns perspective somehow like even in the parts centered on her
He seems like hes so unaware of himself because he seems so narcissistic and terrible, same as the weeknd like theyve been praised all their lives to the point they think theyre above it all even if theyre mediocre just overhyped for being different and edgy because theyre not like "everyone else"
The Weeknd firing the female director because a show about a female struggling in the industry has a too feminine view is just disappointing
I think the things they want to show that happen in Hollywood and that industry are true, but they sexualize it so much that it looses it's value. Literally 90% of time they're talking about sex, going around almost naked, saying or doing things with sexual connotations or straight up having sex.
So to me it's just another excuse to show pOrn and weird sexual fantasies, but try to camouflage and justify it by saying "it actually has a deep meaning behind it" which is so lame.
May I ask tho where was all of this s3x or n^dity everyone talking about- like it’s not really talking about s3x that much either.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG did you watch the episode?💀. Because almost everything they talked about or did was sexual, and Jocelyn was wearing very little clothes the whole time.
The thing is, if they were HONEST and did make a fetish movie like fifty shades of grey, it wouldve been fine! But the audacity of them to act like its such a deep and meaningful show is so icky and pretentious!! Urghh such a bad show
@@arandootsarandanoI did watch the episode, and after reading so many comments, my conclusion is “people are becoming prudes since 2020”
Like, the series is trash, but not because of the sex (or absence thereof really). And I don’t know what you call nudity/porn, but I didn’t see any d*cks, any p*ssy (barely boobs), any act of coitus, anything really. It’s very tame 😅 Vulgar, yes, but tame
@@arandootsarandano so wearing little to no clothing makes it sexual? literally my clothing choice on a daily lol doesn't make me inappropriate or sexual, honestly people arguing just bc they can. such snowflakes when it comes to tv. basically what im seeing from 80% of the comments is that if they said it was a frisky movie like 50 shades then everyone would be much happier with that then saying there's a real story behind it which is ridiculous bc its still the SAME SHOW. plus they pretty much did that with 365 days and u all went CRAZY and said it was wrong still. yall may think it's vulgar and unnecessary (also I've seen some talking about young viewers watching which is crazy bc it's not made for young viewers so irrelevant?) but none stopped to think it's realistic and is truthful to the real life and struggle in hollywood whether it's written by man or woman? the fact the men portray themself this way anyways knowing the hate they will receive bc they are well aware of it in the industry says everything!! can't deal with these bloody people trying to make things seem bigger then they actually are. IT IS TELEVISION if it's making u feel disgusted then THAT IS THE POINT bc it's the whole topic and what is is about. there are multiple movies/tv shows that are graphic and may include too much sometimes for example "girl in basement" "3096 days" etc they are graphic and have disturbing scenes that seem unnecessary but it happens and is real. just don't watch it if u can't handle it?
I think Sam Levinson has these wild fantasies in his mind about girls especially blondes. At least Jacquelyn is an adult compared to Cassies character. However, the constant nudity isn't needed. Even in adult shows. The weekend makes me feel scared in this show. Like let me make sure all the locks are on and windows are closed kind of scared. 😢
I'm dying at that last sentence😂
Someone said they look like his mom and that made my skin crawl
@@pearlngozi2818 it's so true. And I'm a fan of his music so for him to play this role is quite.... different
@@Bbmoney244 Yeah, I was laughing so hard because it was exactly how I felt. His energy in the show was quite menacing and forbidding.
@@pearlngozi2818 nah. His energy is one of a pervs who drills holes in the wall to peep on girls. Ima see this episode tonight and see if my feelings change
As much as I love the weeknds art he is a literal narcissist. Go listen to any song off trilogy and it screams I mentally abuse women to get what I want. He’s literally playing that out in this show. The topics are very real and definitely need to be addressed however there is a way to go about it without it just becoming unnecessary. If you can remove a sex/nude/violent scene from a piece of media and it doesn’t affect the overall story, then it’s unnecessary. There were sooooo many unnecessary scenes in the first episode, regardless of how artistic it is. It was giving me major blonde vibes. Cinematography wise it’s amazing but the way the story is being approached is interesting to say the least, especially the way the script has been written. A large portion of his audience are younger and hearing things along the lines of I like the fact a man is rapey is terrible, even more so when worded like that
Damn!! That’s so true!! I told a friend that literally all the weekend talks about is sex, drugs and how great he is but because it’s catchy, nobody seems to notice. House of balloons is literally just talking about getting women high and having sec with them.
@@faevalentine9187 honestly when I was a teenager I knew no better and thought it was great. As a grown woman in my mid 20s listening to initiation, him and his ‘gang’ are literally getting this woman off her face on drugs and then getting her to have sex with them all. The birds hes mentally abused a woman he’s seeing but dismisses it with the fact he’s broken, then cheats on her and actually has the audacity to say ‘I told you not to fall for a n*gga like me’….. then his music videos where he’s clearly referencing his exs, and the live performance with his ex crying on a voicemail is played out loud. This man is a top tier narcissist bordering sociopath. I honestly found it so funny when I read he’s playing a cult leader who manipulates a pop star, and then I read that he thought the original story was too feminist centred and about the female lead, and should focus more on the exploitation of pop stars. He’s not ok at all, and no one seems to be mentioning that.
Thank you for the Blonde comment. I feel like this is exactly the same issue as with that movie. Yes, Marilyn Monroe was exploited but do you have to exploit Ana de Armas in a similar way to "denounce" this??? I feel like both these directors have NO CLUE what the female perspective is on SA/DV, r*pe culture and all that. They seem to actually be *participating* rather than taking a stance against violence and exploitation of women.
@@faevalentine9187 that scene where he’s in front of the mirror, doing what psychologists call masking, was the most uncomfortable part of the show for me. Some are gonna call that acting, I think you saw who abel really
@@meacelestin I watched a documentary about porn and how different it is when women direct it, the way it’s shot, the story lines. Completelyyyy different! Blonde was amazing visually but it was absolute torture porn, sold to us as ‘art’ so it could be sold to a more mainstream audience. Even if her life was like that, we as the audience didn’t need to feel like we were there watching her abuse play out. The way directors to this to make the audience almost feel complicit completely desensitises the viewer. Blondes plot was soooo bizarre, even more so because it’s based on a fictional book. Can you imagine had they made a film about someone alive depicting them that way, they would never! It’s so disrespectful, especially the whole baby plot line, I can’t imagine she’d had appreciated those really personal moments being capitalised on
What I found really sad, is that lily rose depp mother, Vanessa Paradis, was herself really sexualized when she was still underage. And she told herself that she was too sexualized, and since then she tried very hard to dress to act over modest, to kill the lolita image she had. So I ask myself what she told to her daughter about this kind of roles? Didn't she warn her about the categorization of actresses on thier physic? How could she have a carier when her youth and beauty will fade away? Look Megan fox? Scarlet johansson, who was never sexualized at this point, worked so so hard to distance herself from her sensual image. I'm very sad for this poor girl. She may thing she take the right direction for her carreer but no!! And it's not a movie, it's a TV show!!!
idk how different it would be if it were a movie. and lily is 24 so it's different than being underage.
@@jamiegibsn7543 yes, but she have this really juvenille frame.... and I think her image is changed now. We will see what kind of project she will do after...
Guys they joined the show BEFORE the script change. It was originally a female writer who wanted to make the show about empowerment until Able was like "nah fam" and hired Sam The Dammed.
why on earth are you even saying?it’s not lily’s fault that she got sexualised(for once a woman should be able to dress and be how sexually active she wants without people saying it ad an invitation to sexualise her)might help to start teach people what consent and boundaries are
@@Des17S She could step down if the direction of the movie wasn't anymore what she signed for. Off course I imagine that she could be black listed by doing that in Holywood, but she could legaly leave the project.
About Sam Levinson's tendency to nudity: Kennie Jd actually said one thing on a video about Euphoria and i quote "you can't just do things for the sake of being 'real'. Like, everybody shower naked. But u don't have to actually show someone naked in the shower for the audience to know they showered. U know what i mean? U dont have to show n*pples or the genitalia, you CHOOSE to do so. And in Sam's case, as well as most of the portrayals of nudity in the media, is useless. It doesn't add anything to the story, it doesn't actually play into portraying the character. (For example: if she's free spirited and all that, doesn't realise she's being exploitaded, a better way to convey that sense of "oh i dont mind nudity i am comfortable with it" would be her not minding about the picture that much, UNTIL she sees the actual results in her career and repercussions of it online, and be "OH. People are being sexist to me and all because of that f*cking picture." It would have more depth than just getting her naked all the the time. Its such a lazy way (not to mention problematic) to portray that. Same thing with Euphoria (and there its even more concerning and yikes because they're portraying TEENAGERS and that's disgusting, even if the actors are 25 years old). All of Sam Levinson's work falls into this abyss of "oh but its the reality, his shows are genuine and REAL". Like, does he actually need to be so graphic about Tedros being so fucking disgusting and r*pey to say "well, be careful ladies, because this is our r*pe culture in society and u must be careful and we must fight it"???? Like, do we really think this is it?
For real! It would be the same as if they were showing actors going to the toilet or changing their tampons, we know is normal but... Do we need it in a show?
There needs to be a federal law pertaining to this. There will be soon because this is out of hand. Like if it’s too much, the show is dropped, banned and the studios sued. Enough is enough. This will also apply to music as well.
My bet is that Abel didn't mean to be THAT icky - he thought he has so much charisma we'll all think he's sexy, despite the r-py vibes. He has an ego on him, so he thought he can pull off a Chuck Bass, but he can't and also the world has changed in the last decade.
That would make sense
Do you even listen to what u said
@@kawaiipateu147 wdym this is all true
No is ugly
the quote from the article at 3:22 is INSANE, that director needs to be investigated there is no reason he should have thought about making such a scene
I think the show have potential but the weekend character is HORRIFIC
@Ragda Alhamwi EXACTLY 😭😀
@Ragda Alhamwi like if we got a better script we could have a masterpiece
the show definitely has way too much unnecessary sexual shit, but you gotta realize the whole point of the character is an embodiment of the worst. The entire point of an antagonist in this situation is to represent evil, if your looking for a respectable villain idk what you want out of a story.
I'm cackling cause the idol is doing horribly all cause abel decided it was a good idea to change the script cause it was too feminine and fire the original writer who was a woman.
Ikr his character is soo strange
The tagline is all we needed to understand both Sam and The Weeknd. "From the sick and twisted minds of... ". They're clearly aware of what they're doing. They either believe people won't understand their vision or absolutely do understand the criticism and are making fun of it. Also, the dialogue is so bland you'd think it was satire (which they may use as an excuse too). Very fifty shades of them. lol
wait that’s the actual tagline? omg
@@narajayde520 yes! It was in one of their earlier teasers, even in the description box.
The funny thing is, it's just generic porn brained narcissism from both of them. It's not edgy or shocking, it's just the same old run of the mill degenerate fantasies shared by every other porn addict. Sam and Abel are just using their position as cultural influencers to aestheticize and normalize their personal kinks. That's the goal. It's not art, it's propaganda designed to convince women to have the type of harmful, pornified sex they want with them. These shows are supposed to teach girls everyone sends nudes, anal is pleasurable for women, being choked by your partner is hot and romantic. Blah blah blah. It lures in teenagers with a glossy sheen and celebrity cameos, and pretends to be portraying "real life". But it's just grooming, really. "This is sex, this is the adult world, better make yourselves comfortable with it, girls! Remember, nothing's hotter than when YOU want it, so he doesn't have to be a creep and ask you! (And it'll be harder to make people care if it goes wrong. Huh.)"
And as we see with Euphoria, a generation of wannabe Cool Girls will buy right into it and happily objectify themselves for the male gaze. They've been so brainwashed by sex positivity, hookup culture and choice feminism, they can't see what's wrong with it, or how they're being used to further the agenda of two Hollywood sleazeballs we will all have to pretend to be shocked over when they are inevitably exposed as sexual predators in five years time. When are we as a society going to stop worshipping obvious creeps like this as auteurs? Are we really so wowed by pretentious filmmaking and the same predictable collection of fetishes? Stop handing these guys power, ffs.
I actually do believe that tagline is taken from another movie producer/director I can't remember for the life of me who it was but its a reference line, it has been used before
I hate the “you just don’t understand their vision” argument. Like the Marilyn Monroe movie Blonde, I know what the director is doing, but I also think torturing a woman for almost 3 hours is not an interesting thing to watch. “See how sad her life was? Let’s add more things that didn’t really happen to abuse her even more!”
We all know Hollywood sexualizes women and full of creeps that will take advantage of people. But if the show is a serious of raunchy shots of women’s body parts, it’s using lampshading to do the exact thing it’s supposed to be criticizing. That quote in the RS article says it all, “It’s become the thing it’s satirizing.”
"The Weekend" isn't much different from his Character on the show,"The Idol". I read your comments and I am impressed, you guys are smart! You called it, he IS a creep in real life. We all know Levinson is! Poor Lily. She agreed to this show with a completely different script. She was under contract and HAD to do it even when Fatso rewrote it so he could basically demean her as much as possible. I'm offended every time this freak implies he is anything like Prince, cause HE IS NOT!
I mean, we don't know him in real life so we can't say for sure but idk. I'm just trynna bring some positivity.
@@AidenXOTWOD 💞Aww, you are very sweet. Just to let you in on the word from L.A. and the music industry. It is pretty much common knowledge that Able ,The Weekend, is the kind of man that looks at women and treats them as sex objects. He has had this reputation as long as he has been on the scene. I live part time in Hollywood and my Boyfriend is in the music industry. So we are quite involved and know a lot of people in show business. Word just gets around. I am willing to overlook his reputation and I want to like the show, The Idol, because I love Lily Rose so much! Sending lots of love, Pia Paradis💞
@@piaparadis1253 Thanks 👍
Damn I didn't even think about how Lily Rose agreed to act in the show with a different script... and then got trapped
I agree, there's only 1 Prince and the show is trash or just 🌽 basically. This is just an excuse to be the most edginess thing 😒
I challenge Sam to write something with healthy relationships
I think the show is just another excuse for The Weeknd to feel up on a pretty yt girl and get out his dark sexual fantasies with aesthetics 😭
Facts
I can already tell that in a few years all the female actresses will talk about all the things Sam Levison made them do sexually and him probably going to jail
Yep, the fuckhead is practically the modern day Harvey Weinstein.
I'm curious if they got any perspective from Jennie since she is an actual k-pop idol. I would have liked to see her perspective as a woman in the industry's perspective.
She should’ve been the lead
She was supposed to have a bigger role before sam came on. Then sam scraped all her scenes and told her to just 'just sit there and look pretty'.
@@Crabernacker that is so sad. He is something else!
This is the perspective of the men who grabbed them by the p*** used to be the women who were grabbed
She's an idol in korea which is a whole different ball game
We could've had a great show but the weeknd's ego got in the way.
I personally think that the offensive elements in the show isn't the main thing that makes it bad, it is that THE SHOW IS SO DAMN BORING! The only watchable non-boring parts in the first episode is the conversations/dialogue among Jocelyn's team themselves - they bounce off each other well, and it actually feels realistic. The other parts of the show feels like there is no substance to it, no plot, no purpose, just a long, boring, beautifully-shot music video.
yes it's exactly what I thought, Sam Levinson tried to recreate the Euphoria atmosphere by making beautiful scenes but it just makes the episode long and boring. In the end not much happens
you said it perfectly. all the scenes with jocelyn's team are the most watchable
like they just feel very real
no bc literally half of the ppl who watched the show only watched it for Jennie just to find out she wouldn't even be getting 5 minutes of screen time 🤨
Supposedly tho she will have more lines as her character suppose to be trying to take the main character fame
@@AUGHHHHHBBG yeaa but then Sam came in and said for her to just sit there and look pretty ughh someone needs to fire Sam
did she even get any lines ?? i don’t even remember her saying more than two lines like tf. i am not a k-pop fan but holy shit her fan ate her shit up by making compilations and a sad thing that her fans defend her defending her show i don’t mind seeing her dance “provocatively” she is a grown adult however she should sorta be held accountable for her involvement in this show.
@@natalienwozo155 don’t get me wrong I stan euphoria but I thought when it comes to the idol I thought Jennie character would give very much Maddie vibes as in very iconic and on screen a lot. She’s suppose to have more lines later but for the start of the series she’s not giving a lot
@@Exmuslim_caffeine
Her lines were:
"You know we're going out tonight ryt?"
"Uh-huh. Joss you got this. We're all here cuz of You."
"It's Tedros. He owns the place."
they should've never fired the woman that was going to work on this show and actually give it a female perspective. abel has said misogynistic things in the past, so i'm not surprise he would jump at the opportunity to work with sam levinson. i also saw a clip of lily rose crying and the acting looked terrible, so i think i'll stick to watching recaps
apparently abel didn’t like that the female director had too much of a female perspective. of course 🙄
ikr the entitlement
The way you said this, no wonder his songs were all about sexualizing females & hating on females. Mysogynist sucks.
has said misogynistic things in the past yet still has millions of female fans. some women are really stupid
Lily Rose Depps character has the depth of a woman written by a 25 yr old man. The lack of substance and The Weekend’s distractingly bad wig made this a hard watch. I’m going to try one more episode to see if it improves
spoiler alert: it got worse.
can anyone like leak the original episodes cause no way they deleted all of the ENTIRE ORIGINAL footage👀
I really want to see those too. Someone on the show has them, I’m sure
I don't mind sex or nudity in a show but Imma need some actual substance. This show better have an actual plot because from everything I've seen, it's just a bunch of sex. 🙄
The ahs writer and the euphoria writer always ruin there own shows by being out of touch with what viewers actually want. 😂I can’t wait for them to age out so we can get better shows and more inclusive shows.
preach
ryan murphy has just ruined ahs at this point. like kim kardashian?? really??
Deadass. We are so over the corny over sexualization of women in films. Like what happened to actual depth of a story, dynamic characters that grow with the plot, and oh yeah, class?
Ryan Murphy has amazing camp storytelling that at least make every show he does original and compelling(he can't wrap a story well but most cant)...this show literally reminds me of ahs without the necessary camp lol
@@exoticalBecky_Miamiright like the beginnings till middle part of ryan murphy's project are actually camp greatness. first season of scream queens, first three seasons of glee, and lots of the ahs seasons are great if you're into campy shows. but then he just...gets bored, wants to start another project and just makes half-assed attempts at finishing/continuing the current ones
i just feel like if they had more female writers this show would’ve been way better, it had/ has potential, but sam had to bring his creepy r*pe fantasy vibes into it
edit: also as a DV victim some of the stuff he said behind the scenes makes me SO uncomfortable
dv?
@@user-headcake domestic violence
@@pri08 oooh gotcha
wait behind the scenes? what has he said? he’s so disgusting..
@@cocosfilms there was a storyline he wrote where the the guy hits jocelyn in an act of domestic violence and rather than being upset by him abusing her she’s turned on by it and asks him to hit her more 🙃
The show encapsulates EVERYTHING I hate about Hollywood
Can’t bring myself to watch it due to finding out how much the show deviated from its intentions. I don’t want to support a lazy “shockcore” aesthetic that is Sam. Worse, we deserve better if this is going to get the HBO and not MAX moniker.
I think after watching Euphoria season 2 what I can predict for the Idol is that it'll go nowhere plotwise. Season 2 of euphoria did the same thing, interesting ideas that seemed to be leading up to something (so that people will keep watching) only for them to end up unresolved (the suitcase)
it felt like an excuse to cast the hottest "it" girls currently and portray them in a way that caters to abel and sam levinson's weird, dark, gross, misogynistic fantasies
Nailed it. Ego driven and gross af
Title should be "I Watched The Idol So You *Never* Have To". Some twisted stuff might come out about that director the way he keeps tempting fate with astronomically questionable writing.
I don’t understand why they just didn’t focused on Joseline struggles , Lilly is doing a great job but every time Tedros appears he just kills the vibe!!
I was rolling my eyes at the negative portrayal of the intimacy coordinator in the first 5 minutes of the show. We all know Sams opinions on that!
11:06 yep thats defs Sam Levinson...he strikes me as someone who hides behind the beautiful visuals in order to look "artistic" and excuse it through "nudity is art" but seems to really be living out his most pretentious twisted toxic fantasies. Well done hbo max.
Even though there's been 1 episode the torture p*rn allegations are looking likely. That last scene in the episode made my stomach turn. Rooting for Sam and the Weekend's downfall
Calling The Idol "torture porn" is like calling Riverdale NIGHTMARE INDUCING! :/
if women stop supporting these creepy men we would see their downfall
When I was on tumblr in high school, the girlies would post sexual fantasies that were more twisted than this.
My guess is that Sam Levinson thinks he scoured the dark corners of the web to get this inspiration and is trying to convince himself that this is everyone’s fantasy 😳
Sam Levinson is a creep with a camera, but because he centers women & girls as protagonists in his work, it gets a pass because it's "feminist" (even tho he can't write a complex female character that is basically a self-insert)
literally no one ever considered sam levinson work as feminist
@@wwanca3771 I remember some people saying his work was feminist just because he used teenage girl characters as the main protagonists
Seems like The Idol has the potential, but sadly, it didn't quite deliver as much as we hoped it would. The viewership ratings increased knowing that Jennie is really putting herself out there in a role she's not used to portraying onscreen. She's much more provocative and that's completely out of her comfort zone. Lily Rose Depp and Abel Tesfaye were a bit lackluster, but nonetheless, they still did what they could in hopes of saving this entire show from further demise. Great video as always.
I heard base off some people who saw the first 2 eps early saying the second ep brings more then the first ep so I will see
Jennie did not do something that much. Jennie just danced and she has done dancing like that before and Jennie has wore revealing cloths before in Calvin Clein ads.
@@vixxexo6855 she was supposed to but when Sam came on to the show he reduced her character to someone who just sits there and looks pretty.
I hope the original version of The Idol by the female director gets released or leaked lol
Considering the many on-set changes the show when through, I guess many people involved were kinda tricked into it. They were pitched something entirely different to get in, and once the contracts were signed, they couldn't get out. I didn't knew Dan Levy was in this, honestly I'm kinda sad about it because he's awesome.
The idol is basically euphoria with......yh just euphoria. Sam has an obsession with portraying young individuals on a sexual basis and it is always used to rinse the ACTUAL storyline. And I hate to admit it, but Jennie, the Weekend etc. their involvement is just as bad...:(
Thank you for saving me from a headache. I saw some clips already and I was flabbergasted.
I hear the Weekend fired the OG director because the show was too much from a female POV. Thats also why Jennie has so little lines, apparently she had more lines in the OG version but they cut it down
What really botherd me is the way he used Jennies name, knowing how big it would get, and then had the audacity to cut her scenes out and tell her to" sit pretty" .EXCUSE ME? DOES HE KNOW WHO JENNIE IS. SIT pretty? For somone who loves to use young womens nudity ,hes really not for women if thats how he speaks. I wouldn't be supriwsed if hes racist too. For some reason when wertern ppl work with asain idols ,they dont take them seriously. Like their not worthy when they are litterally THE IDOLS. So all that was interesting.
the way i got an ad for The Idol during this video😭😭😭
ME TOO LOL
"Everyone hates it but nobody talks about it" that's how it should be. It's badly written yet again since sam Levinson took over after the original director quit. evidently he wanted some porn fantasies with Lily Rose Depp to come to life so that's why we have 'The Idol'
Sam you're boring, time to grow up. Great cinematography tho
i hate that T Weeknd's music absolutely slaps but for the love of God he shouldnt be acting. Sam should NEVER direct.
Sam Levinson eyes are uncomfortable to me
I wonder what his search history looks like 💀
They're going miles to make lily rose depp's character looks unkempt most of the time. I wonder if it would change to worse since it's supposed to show the character's mental state?
Thank goodness for this vid! The Idol did not look like a show I would watch, but because all of this drama online..I needed details without having to see it myself. The breakdown was appreciated!!
Respect from the millennial generation. I’m a 40 year old dude that loves Elite, Rap Shit, and a lot of things that would be considered GenZ Content. This is an excellent channel regardless of age. Respect!!
People saying this show was not that bad in the comment section can't be trusted. Y'all can't be serious lol...
Everything about this show is absolutely atrocious.
I liked it
Ive seen worst than this.
I was like half way through the episode and I was like I don’t get why I’m supposed to be rooting for any of these characters like I don’t get what’s going on. Also the “idk he’s kinda rapey.” “ Yea but that’s what I like about him.” HUH Also them firing the former director because the show had too much of a female perspective when the main character is female like ? Idk the list goes on
abel playing his role a little too well..
Right 💀
method acting
didn't he say that at one point he was so into the character that he "couldn't sing" or something dramatic like that 💀
@@MTshabangulmao yep especially after listening to trilogy
Love him 🥰
I’m POSITIVE that they only used Jennie for views bait. Because based on people’s comment on her character , she barely has a point of existence in this show.
let's actually stop calling shit controversial when it's just bad...
It can be both and it is
controversial literally means "to give rise to public disagreement" and most people publicly dissaprove so it very much is controversial
I felt like you hit the nail on the head, Sam Levinson desperately needs some other people in that writing room
What I find interesting, is the fact, this movie is about the horrors of the business. The Weekend and Sam are showing us how creepy and disturbed this business really is. They are the same as Harvey Weinstein and all the other creeps in the business. Lily Rose ......she was put in a horrible situation. Female director to two perverted creeps.
how is maddie, a high schooler, clubbing with celebrities? lmao so goofy
Euphoria season 3 will have a time jump of 5 yrs. from season 2. So if Maddie is friends with celebrities, she really made it.
honestly love that for my sister
Wait can’t believe they actually connected this show to euphoria in the first place.
Remember at the end of season 2 she was talking with the mom of the kid she baby sat that she was going to graduate and go on to bigger and better things, it sounded like they were talking about it like it was happening soon like next season
@@JOKER-fv9yywoah I didn't realize it was such a big time jump that's very interesting
And yet they still released it. There are ways to talk about the dark spaces of life without getting all rapey about it and there are even ways to tackle and talk about the sexualization and romanticizing of mental health issues without coming off, again rapey and creepy.
The first episode made me soo uncomfortable I’ve never been this uncomfortable in my life girl 😟
I just want to say that your videos make me so happy ✨💕You’re so funny and your personality is so lively
i absolutely can not wait for u to review never have i ever season 4 like i’m beyond excited
it's so sad bcoz u can see glimpses of what the show could have been had the og writer not been pushed out😭😭
imuRgency, your editing for this video is on point!! It was fun and everything was seamless.
Abel Tesfaye, a man, saying that show has too much female gaze....(what i mean is he's seeing things in male lense, what does he know abt female gaze?)
Also the fact that this show is showing the dark side of Hollywood with a female being the mc and the writers of the show are men? What do they now abt what women in hollywood go thru? its literally sooo different
....all these just made me wonder if theweeknd is a pimp in real life......
This show reminds me waaay too much of that netflix movie Cuties in the way that it became the very thing that the creators were supposedly trying to condemn.
Zendaya is the co -producer of Euphoria why she's okay with that shit on Euphoria ? Sam is even her friend. She's feminist or not ? I side -eye her now. And she loves to say that she's rooting for black women but in this show i see barely a dark skin principal actress. (sorry for my english)
I found the plot abysmally boring and slow. Half the “plot” is just scenes of sexual gratification for the male audience. I really feel like this show has no redeeming qualities at all. I was super disappointed. And this is coming from someone who isn’t sensitive to dark or highly sexual media when it’s done well and this isn’t done well in my opinion.
I feel like the show has a semi good meaning, I enjoy the parts where it shows Jocelyn struggling, and her team taken advantage of her despite how mentally unwell she is because it displays the reality of the industry and what a lot of artists go through, but to me, the worse parts of the episodes are when The Weeknd’s character comes on. Like I don’t think he adds anything to the plot, in fact he ruins it and cheapens the story. I think this could’ve been a really heavy and deep show without all of the unnecessary weird porno stuff. And I think they could’ve really touched on the way the industry does things without the whole cult storyline. To me it’s extra and adds nothing. I can tell The Weeknd wanted to be a main character but in all reality it takes away from the plot. This is just my opinion! And I say that as a Weeknd Stan.
lily rose depp SHINES despite the show being bad. have anyone seen her in "les fauves" and "an faithful man" because she is really good in those. and episode 2 made me cry. until Abel showed up, again and made me cringe. but lily breaking down and calling out to her mom, was really sad. lily brought it.
but it is so disgusting how much it's just p0rn. seriously i am loosing respect for the weeknd so much. that he wanted more s3x scenes in this how 😭
I can't wait for the full review when the show is over!! I am interested to see what you think :) LOVE YOU
The comment about intimacy coordinates made it seem like Sam has a beef with intimacy coordinator. In the podcast the watch they said it was def a call out to Sydney sweetie. I didn’t watch the full episode after the mental Illness comment
My most optimistic, good-faith hope for this show would be that all the grossness of the first episode is being set up to actually show Jocelyn as a victim and to show her psychological state. That all the oversexualiation is on purpose to show how mistreated women are in the industry. But... yeah some of the lines are really bad and don't support that good-faith reading. I'm still gonna watch though because I can't lie, I'm intrigued.
they obviously using jennie for publicity cuz for one blackpink have a huge fanbase plus jennie herself has a lot of fans, also as a non blink myself i love that she's making her debut as an actor i just wished she chose another work i mean you go girl but they're just using her to get views and i find it really disrespectfull since she's more famous than a lot of people that appeared on the show
8:14 you can see what looks like a different shot of Jocelyn waking up from the pilot but in this shot she’s covered. It really makes me wonder A. How much of the show they had done before Sam came on and B. What all Sam retooled to fit the male gaze…. It’s so frustrating because toxic stuff really does happen in Hollywood but you can’t show that and then also participate in it… it all just comes off as sincere rather than satire.
I swear it pisses me off when I hear people say "oh I never knew abel was this dark" I'm sorry what ?????!!! He's been singing about this type of shit since the beginning of his career and there was no issue when it was in song but now that it's portrayed in another form of media its suddenly a bad thing 😂😂
Personally i wouldn't watch it anyway because as soon as i noticed there would be kind of a S.A plot line, of some sorts, i checked out. I don't like to engage in any type of media that portrays that, PERSONALLY, because honestly, my teenage years was already filled with that type of panic in a way that i really don't need the extra amount of 'reality' when i just want to watch a show. But its a personal thing. Now, after watching about 6 videos on youtube about people talking about it, im so glad i didn't even try. I couldn't stand Euphoria that long, i stopped like in the 5 episode of the first season i think, because i love and root for Rue so much but its unbearable. I love the talent Sam has visually, its honestly mesmerizing what he does especially in Euphoria. But my god everything else is a mess and pointless and just... Forgetable.
I know Hollywood is very dark and the people behind the scenes are shady. The plot sounds promising but I don’t think you need to be so vulgar to make your point. You can be suggestive and it can be just as effective.
i'm so excited! i was waiting for your review
I’m contemplating whether to watch episode 2 like it’s so bad. But part of me wants to get it over with by watching the season to never hear about this mess again. Ohh and thank you for reacting
From what I've heard Episode 2 is probably gonna be just as bad, if not even worse, so I'd probably steer away from it if I were you.
People are really saying “it’s just the first episode” but look at how much of a mess it already is, lacks substance as I expected & the script is just atrocious and cringe which makes it so hard to even care about any of the characters.
How does it lack substance?
was looking for a new channel to get into-- im glad i was recommended this video!! also ive never seen a vid with 2160p this is CRAZY
The show is basically a car crash that I can’t keep my eyes off even though I don’t want to see it …like it’s so icky at times but I still want to know what happens next. Hopefully it gets better but honestly it’s just a well shot mess
6:18 you pointing out that the reviewer brought out an ARCHAIC word to express how bad this show is gave me a great laugh in all this mess; thanks for that 😂😂😂
here this show go again 😭
6:42 it has been lower. When it first hit Rotten Tomatoes the score was 10% then it went all the way down to 8% and I guess it rose again
im not gonna try or pretend to know everything. i havent watched this film and euphoria and i started to type this even one minute after your video started. im not surprised at all and actually it numbs me i feel a bit “apathetic” bc ive seen many stories especially articles and docs about hollywoof works. what the director put out there in his work is probably a portrayal of what would happen irl (or his fantasy) and its juts funny to me that people are surprised about abel’s performance when all of his music reputation precedes him