one thing that annoys me about the internet is how quickly they forget about a person's controversies as soon as they do something ‘iconic’ or even just have a good fashion moment, song, album or movie. they only seem to care about their wrongdoings momentarily before they're looking for the next person to hunt down. for me personally, if someone really annoys you then you can just block or unfollow at the click of a button. simple.
Honestly the thing Doja Cat said about her fans is actually kind of true. Like celebrities don’t personally know their fans so they are not really friends. I actually admire Doja Cat for speaking out about that and not giving delusionals weird ideas.
Controversies aren't convictions. You can forget about something if it turned out to be false or blown out of proportion and that's exactly what happens with doja. People cancel her over rumors or a situation they don't know all the details to and they blow that shit up when really it's a non issue
@@NeshaBoo21it's not hypocritical, the difference is they're inserting themselves in all aspects of her personal life as stans do with other celebrities and then they act entitled. Doja can be chronically online but she's not in other people's business like these stans are
@@razorscootervs.ankles8152her dating a groomer is serious tho 🤷🏾♀️ if we're being real, if it was anyone else they would've been permanently cancelled after doing even half of what she's been able to get away with. It's impressive how she dodges all of these controversies. I love her music but she's blocked for me.
Posting this just as Doja posted herself with a Nazi on her shirt. And people were calling her out on Twitter & I immediately thought.. man.. y’all are gonna stream her again once she drops another hit 🤦🏽♀️. I wish there was more repercussions for being a shitty human being but alas .. it’s usually just temporary collective anger
The doja stuff is kind of funny bc people talk about this like people are only mad about the demon stuff or her not being parasocial, when it's really about her weirdo bf and the way she basically blocked a fan that was a victim of his who just let her know about him and what happened to them. that's at least why i do not care for her.
See it gets on my nerves that he and a lot of other people making videos on her ignore that part of the story. Not everyone is mad at her for saying she don't like her fans some people don't like people who support groomers
right, a lot of artists don't 'like their fans,' which, cool, whatever. but doja cat has continuously done egregious shit! from being in those tinychat rooms back in, what, 2020? her racist, pedophilic boyfriend, her blocking her boyfriend's victims when they came to her, her deciding to rep a shirt with a literal white supremacist/n*zi. i don't care if she's 'trolling,' or 'rage-baiting.' at some point, we have to realize this is just the type of person she is. if she gets a rise out of outraging people - who're rightfully upset with her actions - then she's wack asf.
@@wxndazI mean they are both rich asf and he seems happy with his low key life with his new wife and she seems happy with the touring and stuff. 😂 both are exactly where they want to be rn.
No matter how much someone is hated there will always be that group of supporters that will give them a platform. Cancel culture is a myth. If anything, "cancelling" someone gives them more attention and sympathy.
Courtreezy was talking about this in her recent video of her opinions. Lots of people have been. Cancel Culture is *NOT REAL.* Miranda Sings (Colleen Ballinger) will literally come back after a year or 2 like nothing happened, and everyone will just ignore her past actions.
No it really isn't. Just because the big celeb didn't lose absolutely everything for something funny they said 10 years ago that isn't okay now... doesn't mean most victim aren't harrassed and lose immensely.
i would disagree on the point that the doja hate online was bc of the parasocial relationship stuff. it was very likely a part of it, but a huge reason from my personal observation was her blocking people on twt who were telling her that her current boyfriend groomed/took advantage of them. not to mention how doja then went on to demonize a filipino food (balut) out of ignorance, inciting further criticism. the people i’ve seen choosing to stop supporting her aren’t doing so out of a misplaced sense of parasocial betrayal, but bc they don’t want to support someone who seemingly doesn’t care if her partner is an abuser, demonizes cultural foods to be edgy, and now proudly wears a shirt with a neo nazi on it
@@ashleywalker1 her boyfriend self admitted to taking advantage of multiple women who were fans of his (as he was a streamer). i’m not making stuff up nor was i ever a doja fan so idk who this “y’all” is referring to. i was just expressing my opinion on a point i felt was a bit disingenuous. d’angelo has a recent vid that deep dived onto doja’s history specifically so if you’re genuinely curious and want to know abt this then his vid might be useful
Zoe got cancelled real quick after dissing Will Smith in that insta caption. I don’t know how the internet did it but they dug back up a video of her saying some inappropriate things to Jaden Smith when she was like 20 something and Jaden was like 13-14 on some interview thing. (For the people that didn’t know)
Heres my take. People dont like it when internet personalities reach to a point if success and virality that is unattainable. For example tube girl. Every gurl on tiktok was admiring her "bravery" for filming in public and tried to emulate that confidence and thus made a trend. After a certain point of her success people started calling her cringe and hating all her because the tube girl who was once just a nobody filming a video is now a tiktok sensation which is getting attention from other celebrities wanting to use that fame and fashion brands inviting her to shows to boost their relvance. At the end of the day some people just want "normal" people to stay small for themselves to enjoy but when they start monetizing off that success they start hating on her because they contributed to something they didnt relize could get her to a point that is unreachable to them and gets jealous
Agree to a degree. I think the start of a person's internet success can be as you described. But if the person has nothing more to offer or is deemed problematic, then the second part of your comment comes true - the negative feedback. If the internet personality seems authentic without problems and has something new to offer, then the success can continue. Of course those internet personalities that can survive this cycle you mentioned are very few.
@toms5996 Good point 👉, but it shouldn't result in backlash if the creator has nothing to offer. They're not doing anything wrong, so that shouldn't justify attacks on them.
@@ahmedbanaga8185 Agreed. But as social media is so uncontrolled with people of all ages, that can happen. Big social media platforms are somewhat controlled in Europe but completely uncontrolled elsewhere. European Union will put an electronic ID check on all social media platforms as we have now on all governmental, city, banking and healthcare platforms ( a biometric check for age) in the coming future. DIW (Digital Identity Wallet Europe) came into effect in 09/2023 in the EU - DIW is a combination of biometric identification with governmental digital birth certificate. I would imagine all social media platforms will get an DIW check in the EU in 2024, thus banning everyone under 18 from all social media platforms. The moment EU does it, the rest of the world has to follow, like USB-C for iPhone.
I don’t think anybody jealous of tube girl… there’s just nothing for her to be successful about anyway. Beside not all fame last long anyway. These people work, have teams and do more stuff behind the scene that makes them remain on top. Everyone can get attention but to remain on top is a lot of work not spot of people are willing to do
Ppl have been calling normani irrelevant since 2020, but the thing is, she'll never be irrelevant because they wont let her be because they wont stop talking about her lmaoooo ppl who r irrelevant are bot talked about constantly and alot of ppl dont realize this. Thats why she can drop a song once every 2 years and go off into hiding because she knows that shes created enough of an impact that everything she does ppl are gonna check for her. No matter how irrelevant she is, as soon as she announces shes putting out a video, stans and haters alike, will stop and give her attention every single time. She has not dropped any music nir has she done anything and she's trending on Twitter right now lol Chlöe gets ppl soooo triggered online and even tho she sold 10,000 copies of her album, she still had a sold out tour with every person in the crowd singing all of her songs word for word lmao Someone reposted saweeite eating fries at McDonald's and said "what if celebrities promoted a healthy lifestyle to our communities?" But you literally couldve posted about Mya who promotes spirituality and veganism lmaooo they make what they claim is important irrelevant by giving what they dont like more attention. energy grows where ur attention flows. Like it or not.
Also I think people have genuinely lost the ability to just be happy for others. I will admit I was annoyed when Ice Spice's name kept popping up everywhere, but at a certain point I had to stop and acknowledge how amazing it is that she's blown up out of nowhere and is collaborating with all these huge artists and how it must be a dream come true for her, like it would be for anyone, and now I'm just happy for her success. Misery loves company.
I would love to hear more on how cyber bullying is just normal now. Like no matter WHAT the video is there is a flood of negative comments. Especially on Instagram. I’ve even been trying to catch myself and make sure my comment is not just hate but since there’s so many actual hate comments even constructive criticism gets seen as hate. It’s hard not to get sucked in even if you’re not commenting at all but overall there is way too much hate and I don’t understand why. Let people live unless it’s truly harmful
Maybe I'm more like Doja Cat than I thought. 😂 I'm not even a fan of hers. Yet I am quite enjoying picking at people on here. I'm not blatantly mean, but I am blunt & totally against this mentality. I poke to try to provoke some thought in people. I don't understand how people don't see this really isn't about Doja. She's just the current face.
Yeah I feel like this video definitely missed the mark about WHY a lot of these people are hated and maybe it doesn’t “matter” in the grand scheme of things of what makes them popular (though I would say infamous is a better word) but a lot of the people (featured in this video at least) receive ‘hate’ for genuinely problematic behavior such as being or supporting predators and SAers, being or supporting racist or making racist remarks, genuinely being bullies themselves whether cyber or otherwise, etc. and people are rightly speaking up about it online. Now, it’s hard to tell this to chronically online people, but unfortunately no matter how just, a lot of those problematic behaviors and actions aren’t making it offline, so if you didn’t go on the internet in the past week, how would you know not to stream a certain album or watch a certain movie? So I think sadly because many people do not ensure that the entertainment they consume doesn’t come from problematic people or genuinely don’t care, that is why internet ‘hate’ doesn’t translate to irl cancelling. But I don’t think that’s a valid enough excuse to keep supporting these people who we know are problematic just because it may not fully cancel them.
I think reason people dont pay much attention to celebrities lives is that people have jobs, children, schoolwork and plenty of other responsibilities. So simply dont have time to care about what celebrities do on social media.
@@MichaelaBetikova I’m sure that true for many, but I also think a lot of people would like to *not* support rapists, neo-nazis, bullies, etc. but as I said it’s hard to find that information on every form of entertainment if you’re not chronically online and yes without the time to do so. So I do wish at times platforms like google or even traditional media like newspapers and tv, did a better job of saying when someone is genuinely problematic or at least provide a rap sheet or something (you’d be surprised at how many people have them), so at least people wouldn’t be blindly supporting problematic people and if they still choose to, they can make that decision in a more informed way.
i was considering buying tickets just 2 days ago to doja’s concert. the whole nazi photo is where i draw the line. she’s so deep in those rooms and incel internet. i had no clue who that man was till yesterday!
@@natiajoy LOL I will don't worry, its just funny that this is kinda one of the main points of the scarlet album - she's scaring people away on purpose. Do you really think she'd post a picture wearing a very niche man on accident?? She wants you to be upset love
@@jaykay1899 i know that. i don’t think that kind of “trolling” is something to play with. she’s half black and her mother is Jewish. how disgusting and disrespectful can a human being be.
Lets be real lmao, misogynistic straight men hate Cardi B. Most women and gay dudes are either fine with her or outright love her. I literally saw a comment thread on r/PopCultureChat earlier today where some women were saying her song Be Careful helped them leave their cheating boyfriends or comforted them during their divorces. It was very sweet.
Or sometimes toxic Barbz as well. Obviously not all of them, since a lot of them are kind people but some get really out of hand when they think Nicki should be the only female rapper winning.
People also underestimated the power of a diverse fanbase when it came to Doja. No offense to christians but y’all really don’t realize there’s an entire world out there full of different cultures, social norms & spiritual practices that don’t align with yours. What y’all perceive as devils, demons & ghouls aren’t going to trigger the same response in communities who don’t subscribe to your doctrine. Basically the world doesn’t revolve around y’all lol.
okay so because they’re thousands of cultures,social norms, spiritual practices…. why doesn’t she use that aesthetic? there’s tons of spooky aesthetic that doesn’t revolve around christianity. it’s boring and overused! i wanna see some african or south american or ancient european lore!
She is deeply miserable and does not like herself that has been evident since the chat rooms she is dangerous imo because she is aware that’s not ok but does not care. She gives very much pick me to white culture
Tbh I think the reason Doja won’t be cancelled is cause her music is genuinely really creative and groundbreaking and she’s the only MAINSTREAM black girl artist who is diversifying the rap industry by experimenting with pop and R&B.
@@LUVRG1RLwhat morals? People aren’t allowed to be fans of people you don’t like without it being a “morals” problem? It really sounds like you are the problem.
@@Fck_the_atfyou have to understand that for some people the experience of listening to a song can be ruined once you find out how problematic the artist is. of course, there are just as many people who can put that aside and listen with an open-mind. but for people like me, I cannot jam to a song thats sung by a racist or a homophobe, no matter how beautiful the song is.
@@LUVRG1RLmorals would make sense if she actually did anything bad or harmful to somebody. It's literally a game of telephone and everybody being fake outraged
i’m so glad you brought up lipgloss cause omg did i love her videos and outtakes on basically everything. she literally just made me so happy when she posted. i was so sad when she was getting all the hate like it was not fair like at all! 😕 she was def the realest
This is why i dont like joining fandoms because, for example, i like a few songs by doja Cat, but that wouldn't necessarily make me a fan, but I appreciate a few of her songs. So people like me wouldn't be fased if these artists get into controversies because it wasn't that deep and would continue to listen to songs we like but not actively defend the artist. That's why i think paint the town read went no. 1 because even if there's controversy, which shouldn't even be that big of a deal, haters will still not go to the extent to never listening to her songs again because they know deep down that it wasn't that deep
you can state that "cancel culture doesn't work" but that seems like it's not really being objective. the fact of the matter is that the social media age has compelled people to care more about what values artists actually represent and where the money of the consumer is going, and thats not a discussion to just shut down media illiteracy you have touched on and the pervasiveness of industry marketing machines are a barrier that the masses need to overcome in order to actually see the values of a popular artist, its not just that society is so fucking cynical it doesn't care about supporting people who make selfish or cruel decisions
i think what people don't realize is that the things celebrities get hate or "cancelled" for, just aren't taken that seriously by the vast majority, and the outrage is coming from the vocal minority. and in many cases: even the vocal minority themselves deep down feel like the controversies are not serious enough to stop supporting said celebrity if they're talented or attractive. example: some celeb wore a clothing or had a hairstyle that was cultural appropriation. sure they'll get backlash from the "big" users on a social media platform, and others will follow said big user and also condemn the celebrity. but at the end of the day, deep down, most people dgaf. they dont think cultural appropriation is that serious to stop supporting the artist. another example: a celebrity is close to a person with SA allegations (aka a lot of these female artists dating awful men). yes the outrage is there, but it's performative. because at the end of the day: most people don't care enough to stop liking or supporting said celebrity. they dont think being guilty by association holds that much weight. even less so when it's allegations, and not a confirmed conviction.
I think that with Doja, she’s trying to dead those parasocial relationships so bad that she’s turning the rest of us who are fans of her music off. Like I can see that she’s a troll but this recent post with the t shirt, I’m so turned off by her and her music. I really hope that she can realize that there are some of us that want to see her succeed and do more but this is getting really bad. Idk maybe that makes me a fake fan for saying that but I truly want to see her do better unlike other fan bases who don’t care what they do.
Abouoooout Doja…. Did y’all forget her posting a racist dog whistle? Like? Then deleting it as SOON as she got backlash??? I hope this was filmed before that picture cause this ain’t something that happened years ago 😂 this JUST happened maybe two months ago.
I really see the effort you put into this video especially with the research and credits!! Your points made sense and to think you already wrote a thesis about this topic KUDOS!!👏👏 I really enjoyed this.
hey rumi :) i really like these kind of videos you do but i do miss your tv reviews. There have been many british and international shows and movies added to netflix (and new seasons) as those aren't affected by the writer's strike. Are you considering making reviews for those? For example sex ed s4, everything now and love at first sight. (all british i think). I'd LOVE your review on these
heyyy! as much as i'd LOVE to...my hands are kinda tied for the time being. Since these shows are distributed by Netflix, which is currently a struck company, I can't cover it right now due to the SAG strikes. This has been really hard on a lot of us TV creators &I want to get back to the reviews as much as y'all do (maybe more haha). In the meantime I really do appreciate you supporting my other commentary content. It really means the world
The thing about doja is she is one of the new generation girls that are talented and her music is catchy and people like it and liked her she didnt need demon antics to sell her music people like her already. She is still doing good cause people like her music no one in rap is making music like her its all ass ass ass, he music is different. We in desperate need for more upcoming talented artists. Cardi : unfortuntly not talented people liked her persnality although these days people find her loud obnoxious and annoying. Megan: talented rapper but her music isn't good or cormercial it's repetitive and people tird of twerking also don't like her anymore. personality fake. Coi: no one checking for her Latto: no fans she can't win without features Ice: trending right now but not talented. Swaeetie: fell off ( no talent) Glorilla: fell off (no talent) Doja: talented all rounded artist: antics are throwing a few people off. But people still like her music.
I think the phrase 'cancel culture' was created by a demographic that looked from the outside in on how events unfold. Perhaps the fact that people are held accountable is scary to some people, even scarier to these people is that sometimes people get more visibility whatever they do. But there has never been 'cancel culture' or 'wokeness' as such - at least here in Europe, not in the US either. It's just a new kind of awareness and the whole complex system social media, fandoms, toxicity and the whole attention economy of it all creates. This is sometimes difficult to navigate to anyone. What comes to fandoms, they can become very aggressive and fast. ETA: I liked your analysis. I think 'drama' channels should watch this. And to a certain degree I think drama channels actually are aware of 'attention economy' and no longer even use the phrases 'cancel culture' etc.
What an interesting perspective that coincidently is just simply wrong. It's gaslighting of the highest order to call mass harassment and attacking character of any individual as "accountability". And not even stopping there, but going on to harass everyone else for associating with that person. Because accountability for wearing a silly shirt is losing your job, reputation, money, friends. Silly, they should have known not to step out of line.
Now that the strike has ended, could you review the Sandman?Season 2 is supposed to come out at some point and it's one of my favorite shows at the moment.
If you think about it, it’s nothing new, as much as it feels like it is due to today’s heavy association with social media. Remember how hated/controversial Tyler the creator was when he first stepped on the scene 😂 went from that to a very much loved legend.
I listened to her latest album yesterday based on this video... The second half of "Scarlet" is everything! A day later, she's wearing a bigot on a shirt. I feel 🙃🤡.
2:42 and 9:00 im a woman of my word I tweeted about the doja situation and best believe I unfollowed and unhearted all her socials and music and stopped bumping her stuff after. I don't play when I'm done your abolished from my life lol. edit: when her song came on in the car I told my parents to turn it off and they listened😂😂
when people have genuine criticisms of the success of public figures, the vast majority of which have backing from major corporations and marketing teams, those people just "hate fun"?
I literally don’t listen to Nicki or Ice spice and Doja’s new stuff by choice and I’m not into influencer culture at all. But I know I’m in the minority and I know I’m not the target audience at the age of 37. This is just not my era and that’s okay for me.
If you think he's a neo nazi, youre lost lol I used to think i was average intelligence, but ever since 2020 I've realized I'm actually way fucking smarter than average
I dont reslly care if doja car did satanic symbolism worse than any metal band of the 80s or lil nas x, i kinda care more about the whole supporting the neo nazi that gave thousands of dollars to a neo nazi hate group, i think thats worse ngl
Who is Deja Cat? She must not be that famous and this maybe paid gig that give her negative clout. its clear she not serious as she posting and delete. hahahahaha!
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one thing that annoys me about the internet is how quickly they forget about a person's controversies as soon as they do something ‘iconic’ or even just have a good fashion moment, song, album or movie. they only seem to care about their wrongdoings momentarily before they're looking for the next person to hunt down. for me personally, if someone really annoys you then you can just block or unfollow at the click of a button. simple.
Honestly the thing Doja Cat said about her fans is actually kind of true. Like celebrities don’t personally know their fans so they are not really friends. I actually admire Doja Cat for speaking out about that and not giving delusionals weird ideas.
@@vixxexo6855 if it came from somebody else it wouldn't be that deep. But coming for her it's hypocritical cuz she's parasocial herself
Controversies aren't convictions. You can forget about something if it turned out to be false or blown out of proportion and that's exactly what happens with doja. People cancel her over rumors or a situation they don't know all the details to and they blow that shit up when really it's a non issue
@@NeshaBoo21it's not hypocritical, the difference is they're inserting themselves in all aspects of her personal life as stans do with other celebrities and then they act entitled. Doja can be chronically online but she's not in other people's business like these stans are
@@razorscootervs.ankles8152her dating a groomer is serious tho 🤷🏾♀️ if we're being real, if it was anyone else they would've been permanently cancelled after doing even half of what she's been able to get away with. It's impressive how she dodges all of these controversies. I love her music but she's blocked for me.
Posting this just as Doja posted herself with a Nazi on her shirt. And people were calling her out on Twitter & I immediately thought.. man.. y’all are gonna stream her again once she drops another hit 🤦🏽♀️. I wish there was more repercussions for being a shitty human being but alas .. it’s usually just temporary collective anger
There isn't going to be any repercussion because she never wore a shirt with a Nazi on it. Lol
You must not like sam because he’s a black man succeeding. Shame on you.
@@Fck_the_atf i can’t tell if ur colorblind or trolling but sam is yt + race has NOTHING to do with this convo ms azealia.
Me when I spread information
Careful that you don't put the Ghost of Kyiv in a self-defense situation
Personally, if i dont like a celeb im blocking them on social media and never supporting their projects… no hate watching from me😭
Hate watching is so weird to me. 😂
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The doja stuff is kind of funny bc people talk about this like people are only mad about the demon stuff or her not being parasocial, when it's really about her weirdo bf and the way she basically blocked a fan that was a victim of his who just let her know about him and what happened to them. that's at least why i do not care for her.
Exactly! I’m surprised it wasn’t mentioned in the vid :/
See it gets on my nerves that he and a lot of other people making videos on her ignore that part of the story. Not everyone is mad at her for saying she don't like her fans some people don't like people who support groomers
right, a lot of artists don't 'like their fans,' which, cool, whatever. but doja cat has continuously done egregious shit! from being in those tinychat rooms back in, what, 2020? her racist, pedophilic boyfriend, her blocking her boyfriend's victims when they came to her, her deciding to rep a shirt with a literal white supremacist/n*zi. i don't care if she's 'trolling,' or 'rage-baiting.' at some point, we have to realize this is just the type of person she is. if she gets a rise out of outraging people - who're rightfully upset with her actions - then she's wack asf.
Do you know the full story besides random people online making accusations?
@@jaykay1899 it wasn't just random accusations. He literally apologized for it a couple of years ago
the way kanye always diminishes women's accomplishments needs to be studied
He ain’t wrong about Taylor….
@@emixxixx3001 oh he has been so weird and obsessed with taylor it’s actually crazy and now look where she is and where he is 💀
@@wxndazI mean they are both rich asf and he seems happy with his low key life with his new wife and she seems happy with the touring and stuff. 😂 both are exactly where they want to be rn.
@@notoneofthosegirlsno way he is happy
No matter how much someone is hated there will always be that group of supporters that will give them a platform. Cancel culture is a myth. If anything, "cancelling" someone gives them more attention and sympathy.
thank youuuu cancel culture is not real
Courtreezy was talking about this in her recent video of her opinions. Lots of people have been. Cancel Culture is *NOT REAL.* Miranda Sings (Colleen Ballinger) will literally come back after a year or 2 like nothing happened, and everyone will just ignore her past actions.
No it really isn't. Just because the big celeb didn't lose absolutely everything for something funny they said 10 years ago that isn't okay now... doesn't mean most victim aren't harrassed and lose immensely.
@@cobycobaExactly.
i would disagree on the point that the doja hate online was bc of the parasocial relationship stuff. it was very likely a part of it, but a huge reason from my personal observation was her blocking people on twt who were telling her that her current boyfriend groomed/took advantage of them. not to mention how doja then went on to demonize a filipino food (balut) out of ignorance, inciting further criticism. the people i’ve seen choosing to stop supporting her aren’t doing so out of a misplaced sense of parasocial betrayal, but bc they don’t want to support someone who seemingly doesn’t care if her partner is an abuser, demonizes cultural foods to be edgy, and now proudly wears a shirt with a neo nazi on it
@@ashleywalker1 her boyfriend self admitted to taking advantage of multiple women who were fans of his (as he was a streamer). i’m not making stuff up nor was i ever a doja fan so idk who this “y’all” is referring to. i was just expressing my opinion on a point i felt was a bit disingenuous. d’angelo has a recent vid that deep dived onto doja’s history specifically so if you’re genuinely curious and want to know abt this then his vid might be useful
Also, how the way she went off on her fans on Twitter. That was a big part of her losing so many fans/followers.
Zoe got cancelled real quick after dissing Will Smith in that insta caption. I don’t know how the internet did it but they dug back up a video of her saying some inappropriate things to Jaden Smith when she was like 20 something and Jaden was like 13-14 on some interview thing. (For the people that didn’t know)
She’s creepy
The difference is that nicki had a full industry going against her ☠️
and still on top
What industry lmao, just admit she flopped that time
Heres my take. People dont like it when internet personalities reach to a point if success and virality that is unattainable. For example tube girl. Every gurl on tiktok was admiring her "bravery" for filming in public and tried to emulate that confidence and thus made a trend. After a certain point of her success people started calling her cringe and hating all her because the tube girl who was once just a nobody filming a video is now a tiktok sensation which is getting attention from other celebrities wanting to use that fame and fashion brands inviting her to shows to boost their relvance. At the end of the day some people just want "normal" people to stay small for themselves to enjoy but when they start monetizing off that success they start hating on her because they contributed to something they didnt relize could get her to a point that is unreachable to them and gets jealous
Agree to a degree. I think the start of a person's internet success can be as you described. But if the person has nothing more to offer or is deemed problematic, then the second part of your comment comes true - the negative feedback. If the internet personality seems authentic without problems and has something new to offer, then the success can continue. Of course those internet personalities that can survive this cycle you mentioned are very few.
@toms5996 Good point 👉, but it shouldn't result in backlash if the creator has nothing to offer. They're not doing anything wrong, so that shouldn't justify attacks on them.
well said@@ahmedbanaga8185
@@ahmedbanaga8185 Agreed. But as social media is so uncontrolled with people of all ages, that can happen. Big social media platforms are somewhat controlled in Europe but completely uncontrolled elsewhere. European Union will put an electronic ID check on all social media platforms as we have now on all governmental, city, banking and healthcare platforms ( a biometric check for age) in the coming future.
DIW (Digital Identity Wallet Europe) came into effect in 09/2023 in the EU - DIW is a combination of biometric identification with governmental digital birth certificate. I would imagine all social media platforms will get an DIW check in the EU in 2024, thus banning everyone under 18 from all social media platforms. The moment EU does it, the rest of the world has to follow, like USB-C for iPhone.
I don’t think anybody jealous of tube girl… there’s just nothing for her to be successful about anyway. Beside not all fame last long anyway. These people work, have teams and do more stuff behind the scene that makes them remain on top. Everyone can get attention but to remain on top is a lot of work not spot of people are willing to do
Ppl have been calling normani irrelevant since 2020, but the thing is, she'll never be irrelevant because they wont let her be because they wont stop talking about her lmaoooo ppl who r irrelevant are bot talked about constantly and alot of ppl dont realize this. Thats why she can drop a song once every 2 years and go off into hiding because she knows that shes created enough of an impact that everything she does ppl are gonna check for her. No matter how irrelevant she is, as soon as she announces shes putting out a video, stans and haters alike, will stop and give her attention every single time. She has not dropped any music nir has she done anything and she's trending on Twitter right now lol
Chlöe gets ppl soooo triggered online and even tho she sold 10,000 copies of her album, she still had a sold out tour with every person in the crowd singing all of her songs word for word lmao
Someone reposted saweeite eating fries at McDonald's and said "what if celebrities promoted a healthy lifestyle to our communities?" But you literally couldve posted about Mya who promotes spirituality and veganism lmaooo they make what they claim is important irrelevant by giving what they dont like more attention. energy grows where ur attention flows. Like it or not.
Heavy on Chloe
@@NuNudelarenta omg HEAVY HEAVY on chloe.
Also I think people have genuinely lost the ability to just be happy for others. I will admit I was annoyed when Ice Spice's name kept popping up everywhere, but at a certain point I had to stop and acknowledge how amazing it is that she's blown up out of nowhere and is collaborating with all these huge artists and how it must be a dream come true for her, like it would be for anyone, and now I'm just happy for her success. Misery loves company.
Same I was also annoyed with her insant success considering that fact that I didn't want her to be famous
@@olwethunkambule3275but y
I would love to hear more on how cyber bullying is just normal now. Like no matter WHAT the video is there is a flood of negative comments. Especially on Instagram. I’ve even been trying to catch myself and make sure my comment is not just hate but since there’s so many actual hate comments even constructive criticism gets seen as hate. It’s hard not to get sucked in even if you’re not commenting at all but overall there is way too much hate and I don’t understand why. Let people live unless it’s truly harmful
Maybe I'm more like Doja Cat than I thought. 😂 I'm not even a fan of hers. Yet I am quite enjoying picking at people on here. I'm not blatantly mean, but I am blunt & totally against this mentality. I poke to try to provoke some thought in people. I don't understand how people don't see this really isn't about Doja. She's just the current face.
Yeah I feel like this video definitely missed the mark about WHY a lot of these people are hated and maybe it doesn’t “matter” in the grand scheme of things of what makes them popular (though I would say infamous is a better word) but a lot of the people (featured in this video at least) receive ‘hate’ for genuinely problematic behavior such as being or supporting predators and SAers, being or supporting racist or making racist remarks, genuinely being bullies themselves whether cyber or otherwise, etc. and people are rightly speaking up about it online. Now, it’s hard to tell this to chronically online people, but unfortunately no matter how just, a lot of those problematic behaviors and actions aren’t making it offline, so if you didn’t go on the internet in the past week, how would you know not to stream a certain album or watch a certain movie? So I think sadly because many people do not ensure that the entertainment they consume doesn’t come from problematic people or genuinely don’t care, that is why internet ‘hate’ doesn’t translate to irl cancelling. But I don’t think that’s a valid enough excuse to keep supporting these people who we know are problematic just because it may not fully cancel them.
I think reason people dont pay much attention to celebrities lives is that people have jobs, children, schoolwork and plenty of other responsibilities. So simply dont have time to care about what celebrities do on social media.
@@MichaelaBetikova I’m sure that true for many, but I also think a lot of people would like to *not* support rapists, neo-nazis, bullies, etc. but as I said it’s hard to find that information on every form of entertainment if you’re not chronically online and yes without the time to do so. So I do wish at times platforms like google or even traditional media like newspapers and tv, did a better job of saying when someone is genuinely problematic or at least provide a rap sheet or something (you’d be surprised at how many people have them), so at least people wouldn’t be blindly supporting problematic people and if they still choose to, they can make that decision in a more informed way.
i was considering buying tickets just 2 days ago to doja’s concert. the whole nazi photo is where i draw the line. she’s so deep in those rooms and incel internet. i had no clue who that man was till yesterday!
Go ahead draw the line. I’m sure her feelings will be hurt
@@jaykay1899 lmaooo get tf away from me
@@natiajoy LOL I will don't worry, its just funny that this is kinda one of the main points of the scarlet album - she's scaring people away on purpose. Do you really think she'd post a picture wearing a very niche man on accident?? She wants you to be upset love
@@jaykay1899 i know that. i don’t think that kind of “trolling” is something to play with. she’s half black and her mother is Jewish. how disgusting and disrespectful can a human being be.
Neo nazi = weird looking white dude who’s a known comedian and said a handful of mean things. Get a grip, you’re a grown ass woman
Lets be real lmao, misogynistic straight men hate Cardi B. Most women and gay dudes are either fine with her or outright love her. I literally saw a comment thread on r/PopCultureChat earlier today where some women were saying her song Be Careful helped them leave their cheating boyfriends or comforted them during their divorces. It was very sweet.
What type of schizo rant is this im a straight male I don’t hate Cardi B, just would not listen to her music causes it’s trash
Or sometimes toxic Barbz as well. Obviously not all of them, since a lot of them are kind people but some get really out of hand when they think Nicki should be the only female rapper winning.
As a misogynistic straight man i really don’t care about cardi b
Isn’t cardi transphobic…
@@emixxixx3001 not a cardib fan but if its true i might giver a listen. Whats her #1 song?
I love all of your videos imuRgency! I love your humor and how you talk about nuanced topics.
People also underestimated the power of a diverse fanbase when it came to Doja. No offense to christians but y’all really don’t realize there’s an entire world out there full of different cultures, social norms & spiritual practices that don’t align with yours. What y’all perceive as devils, demons & ghouls aren’t going to trigger the same response in communities who don’t subscribe to your doctrine. Basically the world doesn’t revolve around y’all lol.
okay so because they’re thousands of cultures,social norms, spiritual practices…. why doesn’t she use that aesthetic? there’s tons of spooky aesthetic that doesn’t revolve around christianity. it’s boring and overused! i wanna see some african or south american or ancient european lore!
Exactly
“Sympathy & payola”
Guess it’s hard to dislike somebody when they make music u love
All I know is that Ashley Tisdale never got cancelled for being the high duchess of a musical cannibalistic cult and that's mother.
Wait what is this true
@@ifiwasherehelloandgoodbye863 Nope
you can’t hold a true Mother down!!
And now Doja Cat has worn a shirt of that N*z! guy Sam and posted it. When she has a Jewish mother. What is she doing and where is her PR team? 😟
I don’t think it matters anymore. Being on the far right is trendy nowadays for some reason
She is deeply miserable and does not like herself that has been evident since the chat rooms she is dangerous imo because she is aware that’s not ok but does not care. She gives very much pick me to white culture
@@jasonapplebaum9871Well that’s just a bit terrifying to be honest 😐
Sam Hyde litteraly had an Adult Swim sketch where he celebrated Jewish People. Its called "Jews Rock" fyi.
@@bryanfrosting most misunderstood online personality imo
He's fucking hilarious & is just getting bigger
Never was a doja fan but i think i am now
I love your laugh and smile!
Tbh I think the reason Doja won’t be cancelled is cause her music is genuinely really creative and groundbreaking and she’s the only MAINSTREAM black girl artist who is diversifying the rap industry by experimenting with pop and R&B.
at some point we need to put morals over representation
@@LUVRG1RLwhat morals? People aren’t allowed to be fans of people you don’t like without it being a “morals” problem? It really sounds like you are the problem.
@@Fck_the_atfyou have to understand that for some people the experience of listening to a song can be ruined once you find out how problematic the artist is. of course, there are just as many people who can put that aside and listen with an open-mind. but for people like me, I cannot jam to a song thats sung by a racist or a homophobe, no matter how beautiful the song is.
@@LUVRG1RLmorals would make sense if she actually did anything bad or harmful to somebody. It's literally a game of telephone and everybody being fake outraged
@@razorscootervs.ankles8152 wearing a shirt of a neo nazi is doing harm
Brother, Doja cat was mad people told her to delete her post with a neo nazi on her shirt… like… it’s bit more than her just having “fun” 😂
Her giving free advertisement to that right wing guys… thats not right
Recently she posted a pic wearing a Nazi shirt with no shame... I officially give up on her lol
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i’m so glad you brought up lipgloss cause omg did i love her videos and outtakes on basically everything. she literally just made me so happy when she posted. i was so sad when she was getting all the hate like it was not fair like at all! 😕 she was def the realest
This is why i dont like joining fandoms because, for example, i like a few songs by doja Cat, but that wouldn't necessarily make me a fan, but I appreciate a few of her songs. So people like me wouldn't be fased if these artists get into controversies because it wasn't that deep and would continue to listen to songs we like but not actively defend the artist. That's why i think paint the town read went no. 1 because even if there's controversy, which shouldn't even be that big of a deal, haters will still not go to the extent to never listening to her songs again because they know deep down that it wasn't that deep
you can state that "cancel culture doesn't work" but that seems like it's not really being objective. the fact of the matter is that the social media age has compelled people to care more about what values artists actually represent and where the money of the consumer is going, and thats not a discussion to just shut down
media illiteracy you have touched on and the pervasiveness of industry marketing machines are a barrier that the masses need to overcome in order to actually see the values of a popular artist, its not just that society is so fucking cynical it doesn't care about supporting people who make selfish or cruel decisions
Doja was being called out for dating a pedo that's when she started the "hating fans" gimmick and the fact that you left that out is weird
Dababy taking this personally
i think what people don't realize is that the things celebrities get hate or "cancelled" for, just aren't taken that seriously by the vast majority, and the outrage is coming from the vocal minority. and in many cases: even the vocal minority themselves deep down feel like the controversies are not serious enough to stop supporting said celebrity if they're talented or attractive.
example: some celeb wore a clothing or had a hairstyle that was cultural appropriation. sure they'll get backlash from the "big" users on a social media platform, and others will follow said big user and also condemn the celebrity. but at the end of the day, deep down, most people dgaf. they dont think cultural appropriation is that serious to stop supporting the artist.
another example: a celebrity is close to a person with SA allegations (aka a lot of these female artists dating awful men). yes the outrage is there, but it's performative. because at the end of the day: most people don't care enough to stop liking or supporting said celebrity. they dont think being guilty by association holds that much weight. even less so when it's allegations, and not a confirmed conviction.
I think that with Doja, she’s trying to dead those parasocial relationships so bad that she’s turning the rest of us who are fans of her music off. Like I can see that she’s a troll but this recent post with the t shirt, I’m so turned off by her and her music. I really hope that she can realize that there are some of us that want to see her succeed and do more but this is getting really bad. Idk maybe that makes me a fake fan for saying that but I truly want to see her do better unlike other fan bases who don’t care what they do.
I always see people saying that it only works on people of color yet we have Doja or Nicki
9:40 its really not just religious imagery that is the problem lol she has heavily hinted at supporting racist people....
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS SO MUCH ❤
This aged a bit poorly because the album sales were very low for her stature and the N@zi shirt is causing people to pull out of the concert
Abouoooout Doja…. Did y’all forget her posting a racist dog whistle? Like? Then deleting it as SOON as she got backlash??? I hope this was filmed before that picture cause this ain’t something that happened years ago 😂 this JUST happened maybe two months ago.
Not the Zoe Kravitz shade 😭
Coraline. I know its a bit off topic from the usual content, but I think its a good movie. fair warning, its a little weird, and scary at some parts.
I really see the effort you put into this video especially with the research and credits!! Your points made sense and to think you already wrote a thesis about this topic KUDOS!!👏👏
I really enjoyed this.
lil nas x being on the dsmp was the most random part of promotional content ive ever seen
“There is no such thing as bad press-“a tale as old as time
always love your content
hey rumi :) i really like these kind of videos you do but i do miss your tv reviews. There have been many british and international shows and movies added to netflix (and new seasons) as those aren't affected by the writer's strike. Are you considering making reviews for those? For example sex ed s4, everything now and love at first sight. (all british i think). I'd LOVE your review on these
heyyy! as much as i'd LOVE to...my hands are kinda tied for the time being. Since these shows are distributed by Netflix, which is currently a struck company, I can't cover it right now due to the SAG strikes. This has been really hard on a lot of us TV creators &I want to get back to the reviews as much as y'all do (maybe more haha). In the meantime I really do appreciate you supporting my other commentary content. It really means the world
@@imuRgency okay, i wasn't sure about all of that exactly as i'm not from the us but i fully understand :) keep up the great work
Random but I’d love to read your thesis 😭😭😭
2:48 The fully hate fun 😭😭💀
The thing about doja is she is one of the new generation girls that are talented and her music is catchy and people like it and liked her she didnt need demon antics to sell her music people like her already. She is still doing good cause people like her music no one in rap is making music like her its all ass ass ass, he music is different. We in desperate need for more upcoming talented artists.
Cardi : unfortuntly not talented people liked her persnality although these days people find her loud obnoxious and annoying.
Megan: talented rapper but her music isn't good or cormercial it's repetitive and people tird of twerking also don't like her anymore. personality fake.
Coi: no one checking for her
Latto: no fans she can't win without features
Ice: trending right now but not talented.
Swaeetie: fell off ( no talent)
Glorilla: fell off (no talent)
Doja: talented all rounded artist: antics are throwing a few people off. But people still like her music.
I think the phrase 'cancel culture' was created by a demographic that looked from the outside in on how events unfold. Perhaps the fact that people are held accountable is scary to some people, even scarier to these people is that sometimes people get more visibility whatever they do. But there has never been 'cancel culture' or 'wokeness' as such - at least here in Europe, not in the US either. It's just a new kind of awareness and the whole complex system social media, fandoms, toxicity and the whole attention economy of it all creates. This is sometimes difficult to navigate to anyone.
What comes to fandoms, they can become very aggressive and fast.
ETA: I liked your analysis. I think 'drama' channels should watch this. And to a certain degree I think drama channels actually are aware of 'attention economy' and no longer even use the phrases 'cancel culture' etc.
HIGH *AGREE* on that last part.
What an interesting perspective that coincidently is just simply wrong. It's gaslighting of the highest order to call mass harassment and attacking character of any individual as "accountability".
And not even stopping there, but going on to harass everyone else for associating with that person. Because accountability for wearing a silly shirt is losing your job, reputation, money, friends. Silly, they should have known not to step out of line.
I know right!?????
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I only know who doja cat is because of people being mad at her recently so yeah I would say that proves ur point
Now that the strike has ended, could you review the Sandman?Season 2 is supposed to come out at some point and it's one of my favorite shows at the moment.
If you think about it, it’s nothing new, as much as it feels like it is due to today’s heavy association with social media. Remember how hated/controversial Tyler the creator was when he first stepped on the scene 😂 went from that to a very much loved legend.
Plz make a video about ppl hating fun always
I listened to her latest album yesterday based on this video... The second half of "Scarlet" is everything!
A day later, she's wearing a bigot on a shirt.
I feel 🙃🤡.
Doja had attention before she was hated. Also her music is just really good and appeals to what's cool at the moment
2:42 and 9:00 im a woman of my word I tweeted about the doja situation and best believe I unfollowed and unhearted all her socials and music and stopped bumping her stuff after. I don't play when I'm done your abolished from my life lol.
edit: when her song came on in the car I told my parents to turn it off and they listened😂😂
oh spill!!
I thought people were saying the album flopped?
With Doja people steamed music and cardi got people screaming....at someone else's consert....and she herself cant sell tickets
Cardi can’t sell tickets ?
PLEASE talk about how everyone hates fun now
when people have genuine criticisms of the success of public figures, the vast majority of which have backing from major corporations and marketing teams, those people just "hate fun"?
I feel like this is also how the kardashians got famous as well
Can you do a thoughts/review video on the latest season of sex education pls!
It's true especially if your canceling talnted people or people with a lot of money
Why you change the thumbnail lol
She just got into another scandal so we’ll see a video from you again on this 😂
Wait what problematic photos?
Ice and Doja need to be banished from Hollywood all together.
I literally don’t listen to Nicki or Ice spice and Doja’s new stuff by choice and I’m not into influencer culture at all. But I know I’m in the minority and I know I’m not the target audience at the age of 37. This is just not my era and that’s okay for me.
Contrainess
im happy to dive in because fame doesn’t always equal actual money 💰 you can become famous and go broke
Mua's are making a transition to every. Single. Doja. Song.
I can’t believe Doja cat wore a shirt of a mass killer
If you think he's a neo nazi, youre lost lol
I used to think i was average intelligence, but ever since 2020 I've realized I'm actually way fucking smarter than average
for me, even as a christian, the demonic things idc as much, the same old story and same old aesthetic. HER BOYFRIEND??? HER NAZI SHIRT???
luv u but we want VLOGS!!!!
Can't wait for the sex education ending video!
Ariana Grande
never been this early slay
Bad take on Doja 😂
Nah bobbi although had an interview with drake after like 2 interviews... that's a plant
UUMMMMMMMMMMM Where is my Sex Education Season 4 review? >.>
I dont reslly care if doja car did satanic symbolism worse than any metal band of the 80s or lil nas x, i kinda care more about the whole supporting the neo nazi that gave thousands of dollars to a neo nazi hate group, i think thats worse ngl
Lolol we were all hopeful, but the strike is not going to end anytime soon sad face
Who is Deja Cat? She must not be that famous and this maybe paid gig that give her negative clout. its clear she not serious as she posting and delete. hahahahaha!
Doja cat rocking the Sam hyde shooter tee is funny. I gurantee it wasn't her call to crop his face out the picture and remove it.
Thank you 🙏🏾 I feel this! Doja Cat should be canceled, same with the Paul Brothers and Amber Heard
Sam Hyde did nothing wrong Doha kat is based
Doja cat supporting the neo nazi with her shirt is too far. I was a Doja apologist but I’m doneee with her.
Factor_ really replaced HelloFresh just like that. 💅