They were always like that. Behind an artist there is a human being. Doja cat before being Doja cat is Amala Ratna Zandile Dlamini. They are build by the music industry, we tell them how to act, how to be dressed ... They are human being like you and me, is just there work job is on the public eye and they need people to be there fan in order to have their paycheck.
I think one of the wild parts about Doja saying her previous pop music were just stupid cash grabs is that it’s MAD DISRESPECTFUL to the artists that had features on her albums. Like. Rude as hell. It’s wild to me that her PR team still let’s her have full access to her social media pages without stopping her from self-sabotaging (which is exactly what I think this is)
would you mind explaining to me what she meant by that tweet ? im kinda confused on what a cash grab is in this context considering she's still going on tours and dropping albums. i thought cash grab meant she jus did it for the money and so wasnt even interested in making music but shes still producing music ? so im kinda lost
Not just the other artists, but everyone who has worked on those albums as well. The producers, the song engineers, the artists that did the covers... So many people worked hard for those albums and she just disrespected them all.
@@aniah6653 see that’s what i’m confused about, she’s still making music so ? what was the reason to say they were cash grabs bcos she clearly still put effort into the songs she released, no? sorry i probably sound hella dumb rn lmao
Yet another example of why it's a bad idea to put your favs (or any celebrities) on pedestals. These people make mistakes all the time, they aren't good people. Stan culture isn't it.
@@uenostation5445okay but how do you know that it was just a mistake?? again we don’t know what these celebs do behind closed doors, when they’re not on social media. so we can’t really say that they just made a mistake. but then again the same argue can be made for the other side. all just goes to show that we do not know these ppl.
Never was a fan of Doja, but occasionally listened to some of her music. I've been done with her completely ever since her lorry hill and noah schnapp situations(esp. noah, what grown ass adult dms a kid asking to play wingman for a costar of his then throws a fit on insta about it when he jokingly shows the texts). She's always been a mean girl, people are just now realizing it.
yeah same, i occasionally enjoyed her music from time to time, but I've known about the lorry hill situation so this doesn't really surprised me. She's always been rude as hell :/
I thought the Noah thing was a bit overexaggerated but I understand that it was weird considering that they don't know each other. Her defending her ped0 bf was the last straw for me. Also, Noah is now under backlash as well because of him supporting and promoting Israel and what their government stands for lol guess both suck.
I’m low key LIVINGG for the deconstruction of parasocial relationships. I used to be OBSESSED with celebrities lives to the point where it was ruining my own (since I’d rather stay inside instead of living in the real world and seeing people in person). It’s been hard to detach but MAN! It’s been so worth it. People really do need to touch grass! It helps!!!
I was the same way, but for a short period in high school and over one band. It came to the point where I was thinking about them 24/7 in every aspect of my life. That was pre 2012 so i think it was just before Stan culture really took off. Only the biggest celebs had stans with fan accounts. for example, justin beiber. it wasn’t as common for so many artists who don’t, in my mind, really stand out. Even calling yourself a fan of an artist now a days is hard because of this negative stereotype. Like, I love Beyoncé, especially her new house album, but I’m sure as fuck not spending $300 for nosebleeds to see her. I can spend $300 on a 2 day music festival pass with multiple artists. Her stans clearly, have been and are willing to spend even thousands just to see her.
it's actually funny that after everything doja pulled, alienating her fans, calling her past albums cash grabs and claiming she disliked making that music, her new single ended up sounding VERY similar to hot pink/planet her. like it did not take a different direction at all in terms of sound
Yeah it makes me think as to why she would do all that she did just to release a song that sounds like something she could’ve put outa year ago…it’s embarrassing 😂
This is why I love Beyoncé and other celebrities who don’t share their whole lives. No one should really Stan someone so hard because we don’t know them personally
THANK YOU. I feel like its good to draw a healthy distance. Bruno Mars and Zendaya are currently the only ones who are doing this right. I like people from afar and mind my business. It is so strange to me how people have their pfp as celebrities and literally have accounts dedicated to them.
I've been thinking a lot about parasocial relationships lately within the kpop community and how crazy they've gotten, thank you for this! We gotta stop putting everyone on pedestals for our own sanity lol
same! it's so weird how so many kpop fans think that these kpop idols owe them something and they are allowed to control their lives just because we buy some albums or concert tickets. and it's creepy how fans genuinely believe that they KNOW these idols. i honestly got really tired lately seeing a lot of my favorites getting hated on for simple things like dating or wearing outfits the fans don't like. i know it's been always this way in the community but i feel like it's been getting worse and worse lately, probably because of the amount of social meda with tik tok, instagram, twitter etc.
@@VideosForYou90 Yes however we also have to acknowledge that when it comes to K-pop a hugeeeee reason for that is the companies. Fans are 10x more involved and outspoken because the companies have made it clear that the fans can make or break their career. The fans can either get them blacklisted or buy them multiple billboards and promote their music without their company’s having to spend a dime. They have extreme amount of control and unfortunately they’re hyper aware of it.
@@honeybear5792 definitely! If the companies protected the idols more, they would invest more in PR to keep all that stuff from happening, as well. I think only a small percentage of fans are too delulu🤣 it’s unfortunate that the fans have to demand for their protection most of the time.
Kpop fans are even worse than any other fandom I’ve ever seen. Many of them are so delusional, so mean and sometimes racist. It’s why I stepped back from that community
Ethan is getting less heat not because people don’t think what he did was wrong but because people care about him less. A random guy cheating on his wife is nothing new, but Ariana, who passes herself off as a feminist that everyone perceives as having been a good person doing what she did is far more shocking. It’s that simple and it’s not misogyny. I don’t know, I just find it odd that you pointed out all the reasons why it shouldn’t be surprising that Ariana is catching more heat and then pretended it was because of hypocrisy or something. Like no, you said why it made why more people would be talking about her and that’s it.
People on twt keep bringing up sexism when it comes to who should be getting the heat, ariana or ethan. They keep saying that ethan is not getting the same treatment while i see that theyre both in the crossfire. I agree with you though, ariana is more popular so its natural for ppl to talk more abt her than him
yeah i remember when that guy from Try Guys cheated on his wife and the entire internet was up in flames and dragging him for it. I didnt even know who the Try Guys were but I heard about it. The more famous person will catch the brunt of the criticisms obviously.
Yeah nobody cared about who he was before he was in the news with Ariana. He was widely unknown and most people don't have a previous opinion of him. Most people just think he's a dope who threw his whole life and family away to be a pop stars rebound for a few months.
This is also not the first time Ariana did something like this either. She was the other women before. How she left Malcom and immediately jumped on to Pete and Pete getting together with Ari hours after breaking up with his ex - it's all sketchy. Big Sean's ex also insinuated that Sean left her for Ariana. Her song breakup with your girlfriend is allegedly about Sean and his gf Aiko. Ariana has a pattern of doing this. Of course she should get more heat because she's done it too many times to get a pass
Yes excactly and people focus more on Ariana here because many have realised that her history/dating history contains lots of cheating AND homewrecking, so it's kinda more like people realising now that Ari is a serious serial homewrecker and serial cheater whilst most people loved to think of Ari as that little homeless romantic that "just falls in love too easily".
I disagree on the whole “Ariana is catching most of the flack instead of Ethan” standpoint. The reason why Ariana is receiving so much criticism is because ppl are realizing JUST how severe her pattern of behaviour is. Idk I don’t think its misogynistic to call a spade a spade 🤷🏻♀️ She’s a homewrecker.
That's not even true tho, big Sean's ex clarified in an interview that she didn't say they were cheating, she said ari was sitting with Sean when she walked in. Pete's ex also said in her book that it was a rumor and they were already broken up. And dalton's ex was just a rumor. So what pattern are we talking about?
@@drunk_taylor The pattern is her conveniently being around these couples and being friendly in these women’s faces and then when the couple breaks up she gets with their men. If that’s normal behaviour to you then Idk what else to say 👋
And before anyone suggests I’m absolving the men of this behaviour. I’m not. They also should get pushback. But frankly Ari is the more famous one so we’re gonna talk about her too. It is what it is.
@@akirahayama2653 even people that have observed her since the beginning of her career said that they never see her without a man by her side. her pattern of seeing men who are taken is wrong no matter what.
Even tho I'm a fan, she deserves the hate. How you going to smile in the wife's face, while holding her baby, then start sleeping with her husband right after? Shes a grown woman. Let her take accountability yall. Stop babying her.
@@iniiniinia Because it makes the request even pettier. Not only is she asking the dude in question to break up with his girlfriend; she’s doing it not because she loves him or whatever, no, she’s doing it because she’s bored. 😂
… and Dangerous Woman too! And she is a self proclaimed feminist meaning she doesn’t give a damn about the role of wife, mother, marriages families etc
“Doja was playing a character, plus you shouldn’t idolize your favs” I do agree that putting your favs on pedestals is dumb, but the stuff Doja was saying TO HER FANS no matter if it was a character it really made her community leave her and shi
Well hopefully she enjoys it since that's what she wanted in the end. Let's just hope she keeps the same energy once she starts working a regular peasant job like the rest of us.
@@sissysovereign1294 she won't need to she's gonna get support regardless and she's already rich she wants to lose some fans but she will still have some cus still she is a A LISTER
Not sure why Doja hyped this album up as if it was gonna be something different…let’s be real attention and paint the town red sounds like it could’ve been on hot pink/planet her 😭
Personally I feel like I can separate the music from the artist and still hold them accountable. I lovvvvve Aris music. Her music was pivotal in so many emotional points in my life, and I don’t see myself just disliking her albums because of her controversy. However; whereas once I was a huge fan and would’ve dedicated myself as a fan a little more, I certainly think this changed things. You will not catch me at her shows or actively supporting her aside from the probable $1 she gains from my Spotify streams. My money and general support and effort are going to the artists I think embody my values. This does make me sad because as someone who’s been a victim of a homewrecker it sucks to see one of my favorite artist act this way, but at the end of the day I don’t know her.
I wouldn’t say everyone who’s bashing Ariana has a parasocial relationship. She is a public figure who intentionally did something wrong and she is being shunned just like a regular person would be in society if they were known to be a home wrecker.
this is why when i find a new artist or something i just listen to their music. that’s it. no learning about their personal lives or who they dated way back when. i listen to kpop but never call myself a stan because i do not care about the idols themselves. ik that sounds harsh but yeah. i don’t really bother to know the names of each idol or how old they are. i just listen to their music.
One thing I feel needs to be said is that theres a big difference between "puttiing someone on a pedestal" and just... Expecting or wanting to believe your fav artist is a decent person. I dont think it is that unreasonable.
@@eddieisverygay7937 nobody was excusing that all I said was someone being rude is just another part of being human no one said that abuse was okay yall always make everything about those things
@@nonnjjj i mean that’s literally one of the topics in the video, it’s not like I brought it up out of nowhere. your comment was very vague and could be interpreted in multiple meats considering the subject matter, don’t get mad at me cause you didn’t clarify.
as a kpop stan seeing this dissection of parasocial relationships reaching levels of self awareness from consumers is interesting because it really highlights the differences in marketing in western industries versus, say, the south korean entertainment industry. in america our celebrities may be turning into influencers but they’re still mainly selling their work as a product. in south korea the music is only a part of the package, their lives are also being sold too. because fandom provides such a sense of belonging to a lot of fans, it makes sense that they begin to feel entitled to their idols’ lives when it is linked to the thing they pay to consume. the idea that someone’s actions are surprising to us is just a reminder that despite how much you love your fave, you don’t know them, and it hurts, which explains a lot of the denial some fans might feel and will just go on supporting that person, no matter how problematic they’ve shown to be. social media has blurred too many lines between celebrity and the average person i think.
For me, I’ll still listen to Ariana’s music, I vibe with it and it would be hard to stop listening to her just because of her personal life. HOWEVER, I will now always view her differently, and see her in a more negative light. I wouldn’t trust her as a friend, but we aren’t friends , and she doesn’t know I exist. But I def think my opinion of her has changed and it’s disappointing for sure. As for doja , I’m not interested in her new album and as a fan of her past work it’s insulting and so dumb to me what she said about her own fans. So what if it was a cash grab? There’s no reason to say that or call your fans dumb for liking it. It left a really bad taste in my mouth for sure. At the end of the day I think she’s a internet troll and hates fame
I feel like doja doesnt mean the stuff she said about her music and fans in a way, i think back then she really loved it all but something happened in the present so now she hates everything + her bf scandal also took a huge part on how she's acting now
I always thought Ari had narcissistic personality so I wasn't surprised, but I appreciate her music. I tend to separate artists and their work because it's just easier tbh and I feel extreme fan culture isn't healthy or necessary ... just my 2 cents 😊
All the attention Ariana is getting is not misogynistic. She isn’t Monica Lewinsky. People are noticing her pattern of behavior and are rightfully calling her out on it. Nobody is ignoring Ethan either. This scandal may likely make it hard for him to find work. His claim to fame is the SpongeBob musical…he didn’t have much stardom in the first place and can easily be erased from the public eye. People know him more from this scandal than the musical. Ariana on the other hand has a pattern of dating taken men. Whether that means she cheats with them or becomes the reason they leave their partners and it’s happened often enough that people are taken notice. I’ve seen many comments of women who were in the wife position that have no sympathy for Ariana and rightfully so. We have to stop claiming misogyny on women whose behavior deserves to be called out. Plus I highly doubt this situation will really be the end of her career so why waste your time backing a home wrecker. Just keep quiet and wait until Wicked come out and enjoy her then. 🤷🏽♀️
As a former Swiftie, my heart goes out to the all the other pop girly stans who have fallen❤. Your soul will feel better when you leave the parasocial admiration behind and start investing in yourself
@@vanivanilli for me, it was her dating Matty Healy. He had publicly made some disturbing comments about women/people of color, admitted he watched porn based on the brutalization of WOC (he literally described it as “brutalized” while laughing), made fun of Ice Spice in a very specifically racist and sexist way, and then a few months later Taylor started dating him and conveniently had a (shitty) song with Ice Spice come out and she claimed she dumped Matty because Ice told her about it personally. But it was very, “come on, Miss self-proclaimed Mastermind, you know everything and have the best PR team ever, you just didn’t care about being seen so closely with a bigot”. When it came down to brass tax, she either truly dated a bigot which is gross, or she was fine with people thinking she was dating a bigot, which was also gross. Everyone has now forgotten, but it was the straw that broke my parasocial love; it gave white feminist, I only care about marginalized communities if I am a part of them or they can benefit me. I was fully in the lore, now I am a free woman and haven’t listened to a Taylor song in months.
Celebrities also need to stop portraying themselves as something they're not to sell their product because it's deceitful. You can't portray yourself to be a certain person and then not live up to it and expect your fans not to be pissed at you💀
I mean idk about that. That's mainly how alot of them make their money. Artist like this make up most of the music industry. It's how they sell a brand.
Exactly. It’s coming to bite them back in the butt. Stop selling your identity for fame and then be surprised when you show your true self, people don’t like it.
But most of the time it seems as if their teams are curating their personality for them, if someone is giving "the girl next door" vibe they will sell them as that, if they are "alternative" they will promote them as that, they don't have "individuality" it's just way for the labels to get their checks same with actors (someone might be messy/rude behind the curtains but they have the "nice girl" image so they will sell as that, it's business)
Like Doja Cat, for example, who complains after becoming wealthy. You reach the level of wealth/fame you want, then forcefully rip-off the strings. 💀 It’s a smart tactic, just not the way she did it.
Hey, I am really enjoying this video, it kind of made me rethink some stuff here and there, I always never cared who made the music and shows, and kind of just enjoyed the content alone, but parasocial relationships are real, and thank you for addressing it in an understanble and none offensive way. It really painted the picture for me.
Damn last year the vocalist of my all time fave hardcore band was accused of sexually assaulting a girl he met up with on tinder. He apologized, was sent to rehab for alcoholism for like 4-5 months, they let him back in and he backpedaled on what he said happened with her. I was such a huge supporter for years, their music got me thru many difficult times so it was heartbreaking realizing everything we thot we knew abt these men was wrong. It doesnt matter the genre/industry etc, this shit exists everywhere, I am glad that we are detaching ourselves from these people and the toxicity of relying on the image of them we've formed in our heads
I never put celebrities on a pedestal but hearing what Ariana did to her honestly shocked me. She was always seen as a "Girls girl" so for her to publicly humiliate her and disrespect her family like that was just awful. (Plus they did double dates together)
I used to feel the same way about Alicia Keys.... She started dating Her husband while he was still married.... we really don't know these people. They have no morals!
I do think it’s interesting that you said celebrities aren’t owed us anything except what they’re selling! But more often than not because of the rise of the influencer, celebrities are selling themselves. to what extent is Doha’s. brand her music and what is HER? Idk! I just wanted to share that
It's interesting to see more and more videos about parasocial relationships coming out because it is a great topic to speak about. I'm seeing the issues with parasocial relationships being analyzed with Kpop as well. In recent years some people in some fandoms have become a little overzealous when it comes to interacting with idols/celebs. It's like post covid people started relying more on connecting with celebrities, artists, Influencers, and idols. I'm hoping that with the recent events with celebs that people start to create that healthy distance again.. But man! The Age of Aquarius has been enlightening so far.
I like the video BUT I wish people would stop misusing the wording “parasocial relationship”. You wanting to be apart of/create a fandom name for a group or artist is fine. It’s also fine to feel a certain type of way if your fave artist is a cheater and wish they weren’t a homewrecker. Like I been saying, look at what idols in the kpop industry go through. That’s what actual obsessive stan who have parasocial relationship with these idols look like TLDR: Use the terms “parasocial relationship” “stan” and “obsessive fan” correctly
Right, idols/artists are great especially when they are of good influence and you see it time and time again in thier personal character. The world can always use a good source of inspiration. Fans can create communities where people feel they belong, some meet and make friends at concerts, the fans have inside jokes..it can be really great thing bc it unites people. It's just a matter of how willing people are to dismiss their idols wrong doings and how clear the boundaries between the idol and thier fans are. Some fans put cameras in gifts and follow idols home which is insane so it's really important to have that boundary. What I'm saying is both sides should know thier limits and maintain morality/respect to themselves and one another.
Social media to me personally ruined what a "celebrity" is! Back in the day people were obsessed with celebs bc they were fabulous or talented but no one knew anything about them. Now bc of SM celebs over share over talk and answer questions no one was even asking making them very unlikable.
"Back in the day": How old are you? You do realize that there have been paparazzi stalking celebrities since the 1960s and magazines spreading both lies and occasionally truths about celebrities since 1911. So you must at least be 113 years old to even have lived in a time before what you describe turned into the new normal. Nostalgia is what it is for some reason people glorify the past to the point where they are lying to themselves and distorting reality to fit their vision of what it should have been rather than what it actually was.
the issue is too many people live online and think they are owed things from celebrities i literally don’t stan anyone its weird and you don’t really know these people! just hold them accountable like anyone else or move on cause no point in canceling them if after a few months you’re going to support them again
Years ago Jhené Aiko put out a song where she alludes to Big Sean being on the scene with "little miss thing" after she and Sean broke up. I've always had the hunch that she was referring to Ariana, and the vibe I got from the line in the song was that this little miss thing came between them in some way. Now, after this situation/entanglement (like Jada would say lol) has been revealed to the public I must say my hunch makes a lot of sense. 😂
idk ppl are now saying that ariana and ethan were taking their spouses on double dates together so they could see each other. situation is gross on both their parts.
"the people" only being a magazine called pagesix lmaoo. like non of the other credible magazines have said anything abt it. and the source is coming from someone that nobody knows not from ari, ethan. lily or dalton. and on top of tht, pagesix is notorious for spreading lies abt arianas personal life, which has been debunked multiple times. and im sorry but im not even tryna defend ariana like tht cuz i rlly dont know her, but its so weird how easily ppl can think for a second this whole scandal is entirely true. its so contradicting.
Parasocial relationships are terrifying, honestly. It’s incredible in the same token, because why put so much energy into explaining the decisions of someone you don’t actually know? Hailey and Selena thing really grinds my gears, because people are out here failing language classes, but writing ESSAYS, damn near dissertations, on people they have never met. The culture in itself was meant to be about entertainment, has exploded into their personal lives. Understandable, you want to have a personal connection to the person you are listening, watching, supporting in whatever way etc. but the moment they mess up in anyway people become their publicist. Y’all be easy out there.
Celeberties are humans at the end of the day. They do the same things some none celeberties they just have more eyes on them. Which just to clarify some (if not most) of their behavior is not acceptable
The thing about artists is that as soon as they reach a certain level of fame and success they become a commodity for entertainment, so the human aspect of a celebrity is lost and the become a product to be consumed. However, they maintain a human aspect and the human status but it’s a distorted perception of it. Not so much a human, but more a “humanoid’ish” figure (also tied to how perfect and curated their image becomes). I imagine is intertwined with the fear of robots taking human form but viceversa. And when these people act human in their many imperfect ways it’s shocking and difficult to comprehend. Idk at least that’s my hypothesis. At the end of the day these people deserve the privacy we all do, and I do believe that engaging so personally with people you don’t know can affect negatively on fans and celebrities. I do not find any of these people’s behaviour shocking. I believe they stopped giving a f*ck a long time ago and feel caged by how public and picked apart their lives are; to me they’re acting out, and they really don’t care anymore who they upset. It’s heartbreaking to be quite frank. It’s either that or it’s all pr. Anyway, thanks for the space to share.
I think a major part of "stan culture" and parasocial relationships that isn't talked about is the sense of unity it gives lonely people. A lot of stans (particularly teens and early 20 somethings) tend to identify with being misfits, loners, etc. These people (generally speaking) to aren't too happy with their own lives and use these celebrities/influencers as their escape. Finding fellow stans creates this sense of community that they tend to lack IRL. This is why they go so hard for these public figures. They rally each other to vote for their faves, run up their streams so they'll chart or have high RUclips views. In their minds, if their fav "wins", they win. It's a distraction from their own lives where they feel like nobodies. Stan culture makes them feel like a somebody. I actually deleted my Twitter account some years ago because I got sick of the random K-Pop videos being spammed in conversations that had nothing to do with that lol. I'll never forget when rapper Cupcakke tweeted that she wanted to kill herself and someone commented "why kill yourself when you can stan 'Twice'?!" Accompanied by a clip of one of their performances smh. I feel for these people because they let it consume them and are so out of touch with reality. The saying "go outside and touch grass" applies here. Unplug for a while, look up and live your life. Your REAL life.
You know what? As they should. Fanbases and fandoms been acting absolutely unhinged for the longest. A lot of fans seriously disrespect the same person thats supposed to be their "fave". The saying "never meet your idol" exists for a reason.
I’m a fan of lots of thing in the way that like i listen to x band a lot. I hate how people are like “oh taylor is perfeckt!!1!” Like just enjoy the stuff man don’t expect people to be kind. I always, *always* assume the worst in people, and so far it’s worked in my favor.
I honestly think parasocial relationships is being used as a coverup for straight up idolisation. You can have a parasocial relationship with someone and still acknowledge they're a regular human being, the real issue is when people idolize and put these people on a pedestal and create a mental image of they can do no wrong and don't need to be held accountable for anything they do.
I agree, they’re different things. It’s perfectly human to build a connection to someone who shares a part of themselves and their lives especially if you resonate with that. Of course we don’t truly know them but they shared a part of themselves with us. It’s ok to care about someone you don’t really know cause that’s just human. Idolization is another topic
Not only are celebrities “just people” but their work requires them to put a TON of work into their craft. That means time and energy not being put into healing trauma, doing shadow work, developing an internalized sense of self worth… Also the dynamics of fame is not usually something that helps someone improve their mental health and ability to maintain healthy relationships
As soon as that work is released / published, it turns into passive income. They don't have to sing every single song for every single CD. They don't keep working a full time job (active income) like most of the rest of us.
honestly destroying parasocial 'relationships' is a net positive. people need real connections. were a social species. its literally the open secret to thriving as a human
The phrase never meet your heroes falls perfectly within this!! If you give them this personality you think and associate them as you don’t see them doing weirdo shit
I don’t think there’s one lens to look at para social relationships through it’s a very nuanced topic as many things are. I’ve read many comments under this video and almost everything said by someone I agree with half of it and disagree with half of it. Yes it’s weird to think someone you don’t know owes you anything but these people put them selves in a situation where they are publicly on display therefore the way they are viewed is obviously different than someone not in the public eye. The problem with Stan culture is loving someone so much (that you don’t actually know) and blindly supporting them no matter what they do because of the weird connection you’ve created in your head with them. Going off of my first part because these people are in the public eye these situations they get into are no longer their private business which is why I disagree with people that think we shouldn’t care when a celebrity for example dates a known racist. The type of people you keep around reflect your morals and if this information is made public I am allowed to judge that person for it. Like I said I agree with the fact that they owe us nothing so no ofc a celebrity wouldn’t be obligated to break up with the morally incorrect person they are seeing just because their fans said so but that backlash for dating sed person and people no longer liking the celebrity is valid. I personally in most occasions can’t separate the art from the artist just because I hold my morals so high I will judge someone is they are a fan of someone who surrounds themselves in any capacity with someone morally incorrect the same way I would judge a person I know personally for doing so because it shows what type of person you are.
and I would like to add that these things happen irl but because these people are not in the public eye it’s easier to go unnoticed for example the way that many people will deny someone is a rapist because they’re their friend and think they know them well enough to say they wouldn’t do something like that. That’s blindly supporting someone no matter what they do it’s the same thing the difference is the entire world doesn’t know to judge them for it.
See this why I appreciate celebs like kanye and Azelia banks cus they don’t put on a fake act they say how they feel and let you appreciate there art they don’t care if you don’t like them as a person but you can’t say they arent talented
the situation with doja shows the ugly truth of putting celebrities on a pedestal, they dont know you nor do they have to care. it would be graceful to show appreciation to the people who keep you relevant but she's a person too, with free will, just like us.
I follow Madisyn Brown and Madi was excusing Ariana's behavior, quoting everything under the sun to explain and justify her behavior but addressing the evil in it, yet making sure to say "I'm not excusing Ariana's behavior, she's a grown ass woman." Madi even started talking about the "danger" of internalized misogyny as to why people were side-eyeing and disagreeing with Ariana, one of these female celebrities championing the idea of self-love, feminism and kindness, yet sacrificing the emotional well-being of another woman for her own. Like, y'all are making excuses and that's fine in my books. But make excuses when you end up in the situation of Ethan Slater's now ex-wife, right?
Exactly, she did not get the message. Also it's not misogynist to call a woman a homewrecker. Madi missed the point, you can excuse horrible behavior just because someone has been through some stuff, Ariana out here acting like she cares about women empowerment and feminism, but being the cause to all the trauma of another woman, ovwr a decade.
I was thinking the same. They must’ve never been in a similar position to be dismissive about it. People aren’t criticizing about a woman who’s accidentally been with a guy not knowing he was taken/married and she was the side-chick. They are criticizing women who willingly go after these men on a repeated cycle as much as they are shaming guys who cheat on their partners. Both are at fault. The fact that people even accuse criticism of someone’s shitty character as being misogynistic is such a stretch. As if no women can be shit people, right?
Also I hate how they try to victimize her behavior by saying:”oh she’s just an insecure soul and has problems finding love and daddy issues” but before they were like “oh yeah, she’s such an icon she doesn’t need men she is an empowered woman” like y’all gotta make up your mind
i was disappointed w that vid of hers but not surprised. She's an ari fan, has made covers of her songs before, and was very easy on her about the blackfishing and asianfishing scandals.
Most people commend Kanye for his 2004-2010 run of music, and how much influence he had on rap as a producer. That alone is going to make people want to defend him when he has the influence and “legendary status”. What has Kelly done to change music? And, likewise, Ariana? Doja? Lizzo? They don’t have the same “street cred” that Kanye does as an artist.
me personally though….i enjoy pop culture and celebrities. i like being a fangirl and a part of a fandom. i enjoy celebrity culture more than influencers and content creators. idk, im sure im not the only one.
I appreciate you bringing this up bc it's the one thing that no one is talking about. I was just thinking about the parasocial relationships and then I saw your thumbnail. Instant follow.
As an aging millennial, I’m glad I’ve never developed the parasocial relationship that todays fanbases have. Then again, my favorite artists have made sure to keep that distance. I think Doja maybe leaning too much in her troll aspect and could backfire, then again, if she’s doing hardcore rap the album will probably do that alone. As for Ari, it’s just messy. It’s not bad and really glad you mentioned it takes two, it’s just her persona is getting long in the tooth.
@@stretchmonster haha oh please ...go back and watch footage and fan interviews from every decade...Elvis and the beatles changed the game ...ppl don't go Nearly as cray as they did for either of those artists...this is nothing new
@@jadebel7006thing is elvis wasnt able interact with his fans and see the way his record was performing instantly through engagement and live comments etc, a lot of artists were not even aware about their chart positions. It's too much exposure and the lack of boundaries has never been his huge between the artist and the listener. Its just not the same
@@tcrijwanachoudhury oh hun no.offence you are so incorrect hahaha 🤣 there was a thing called fanmail...and back them people would say the same thing just about interviews...all you have to do is watch live shows and fan interviews of back then.. its all the same lool
Honestly this is just refreshing. I hate stan culture, its pathetic and if this is whatll take to end probably the worst parts of Gen Z behavior then im all in. It destroys artists and takes away the dignity of fans
This ain’t no Gen Z thing. People used to be way more obsessed back in the days actually. Have u forgotten how fans used to literally FAINT at Michael Jackson concerts?
Doja just can’t make up her mind about her music and what she wants and Ariana is giving Cassie from euphoria.We only the people outside looking in so 😂
they way everyone is assuming that lily and ariana were besties or sisters is so weird too me bc we do not know those women at all or what their relationship was even like. shit we dont even know if theyve met in person before.
Like you said, if you dont like someone then just stop supporting them. I think hate watching has become so normal that I dont really take cancel culture seriously because lol people are gonna watch regardless. Most ppl don’t actually stand by their morals and curiosity gets to them or they just dont care. Im interested into how her album does too bc I feel like having an extreme parasocial relationship with fans is the backbone of success for artists
THANK YOUUUU! its always been really weird to me how people think these people owe them something and that they care about them . Like they dont have full on media training and they're not telling you what you want to hear.
I’m a huge Ariana fan, but I’m also strongly against cheating or hurtin people in general. When this whole thing started, I remember commenting that I feel sorry for Ethan’s wife (who admitted that it really happened) and Dalton too and that it’s really not okay to cheat, no matter how famous, rich or popular you are, cuz sooner or later, it will all come back around to slap you in your face. The hate I got from other fans was crazy. People were sayin I’m not a real fan, that I’m making things up and “Ariana didn’t confirm anything”. I get that many of them are probably teens, but being so blind that you’re invalidating someone’s amoral behavior is just too much.
I am a stan of only one artist/group at the moment (and for the first time ever) and it has revealed to me just how much it takes from an artist to get me into a mode of regularly buying, streaming, attending concerts, and engaging online. I understand now just how little liking a majority of an artist's music has to do with me deciding to actively support them. By no means do I expect nor feel entitled to an artist going beyond making music to get me to legitimately stan them. But as it turns out, without those extras, my lifelong habits have shown that I simply download the songs for free, put them on my phone and keep it pushin'. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. As for the pop girlies I'm question, how things go for them is dependent on what kind of conditions a majority of their followers have for stanning. Time will tell.
also it’s not just about fans who love the artists either, fans who hate the artist are just as guilty of keeping up parasocial relationships as well. especially if you hate them for something that’s personal to them.
I think that a bit of where the problem comes from is how some celebrities will say they are against something (like idk, say fat shaming) but then will do that thing they are against. And they will make it part of their brand, expecting to not be outed as a hypocrite.
The way Ariana is getting more heat than the married man 🙄. They both deserve the heat if this affair is real. But overall, I really don’t care. Thanks for the video! Love ur channel! ❤️ Edit: Can I just say to some people that I'm not trying to protect Ariana or say that they deserve equal blame. That's not what I'm saying at all.
literally everyone is bashing this Ethan guy so idk what y'all are on about. he's getting a lot of hate, it's just Ariana has surprised and HOPEFULLY eye opened a lot of her delusional fans
Love this video! You hit so many important points, i particularly relate and agree to how you talked about being not shocked, but disappointed when a celebrity you enjoy does something out of pocket. You explained that point beautifully
I’m kinda glad that people are starting to realize that Stan culture is just ridiculous and it’s better to not put stars on pedestal so it’s a good thing !
Ariana is definitely winning the idgaf war cuz how she a got all these homewrecking allegations but still manages to get a unreleased demo trending (the demo was leaked by fans and is being taken down but I still think the timing is crazy)
This is why I don't keep up with artists and their personal lives, I just listen to the it music because I like it and I will continue to do so because I separate the artist themselves from what they create and also putting them on a pedestal is just stupid because they're humans just like us and make stupid mistakes just like the rest of us
I don’t think it’s “parasocial” to want artists to be good people. Like I don’t even really catch up with celebrity dramas I just barely knew what happened because ur video but I’m still disappointed in them for what they did. I can still appreciate their work and so I will still listen to they’re music. Trust me as much as we like to act these people will be “cancelled” anytime soon(which never works) once a new album drops in a couple years we’ll forget about it. Look at Travis Scott y’all…so I wouldn’t be stressing over it just don’t pay money for them, your allowed to give their music a listen. Let’s face it a majority if not all artists that went mainstream are bad people.
Even if the girls deserve criticisms, I also feel like women get a lot more heat than men. I get that it’s partially because SpongeBob HumanPants and a Twitch Streamer don’t have the same fanbase that Ariana and Doja do but I also feel like people just love to pounce at the opportunity to bring down women despite the men in these particular scandals being more deplorable. It happens in almost every dating scandal that the woman in the relationship is scrutinized but the man is just a symbol of her behaviour rather than an equal player at the least or the actual perpetrator at most. If the roles are reversed and a presumably progressive man was caught in a relationship with a questionable woman, everyone would pity the man and say he was “tricked” into it. It’s not that the women don’t deserve to be called out for their complacency but they’re afforded way less consideration that just maybe, their partly the victims in these relationships as well.
This isn't about gender. Ariana is way more powerful than SpongeBob and could have gotten his little arse fired in a second and noone would hire his stupid face again. And Ariana isn't mentally challenged or something. She knew that hooking up with the guy with a baby was a bad idea, she even met the family. If this guy was going to cheat, who can stop him? But Ariana could have had some self-respect and empathy towards Lily and the baby and say "not with me".
@@Bogotaeverything I wasn't saying she's not responsible for her actions but the guy is the one who possibly had an affair and the way people frame it, they only act like Ariana is the one who betrayed his wife and not the literal husband who's also not an idiot. Even you saying that is acting like he's also a victim in this situation when he was fully consenting. Also what do you mean who can stop him?? Why not have the same mentality for Ariana about his self-respect then???
@zukimutaa He's not the victim even though Ariana is way more influential and powerful in the industry, he made a choice and it was to break his marriage to pursue an affair. He is a backstabbing traitor idiot, but he's also not relevant in any way and sadly, he's just another ugly simpleton cheating on his wife and leaving her. It's Ariana's lack of consideration towards anyone and her habit of going for cheaters so that she can cheat on them too while doing her whole fake mental health and women's right advocacy thing that is shocking people.
on doja: i think she's tired and giving the energy back tbh. ppl said she was devil worshipping for being a black girl who likes the emo look and said her style was crazy and went IN on her for years. she used to always go live and give content but now that she snaped and said 'i don't owe you shit, you're a fan of me, not the other way around', she's wrong? her fans were being spoiled entitled brats who were only nice by getting songs on the charts and she's sick of it. on ariana: i disagree that she's getting more of it. spongebob has been DRAGGED by his name, bank acccount and pale skin. people won't let UP when it comes to roasting him. it seems they're just disappointed in ariana and she's clearly using it for promo. i still believe it takes two to tango and she's wrong as h3ll pretending to be super cute and blah blah blah soft dainty. its cringe that she's trying to play a cute baby. i loved this quick video and your commentary. it was TRULY unbiased (which most say they'll be and aren't)! i found you through this video and i'm subbing
Dojas fans were defending her for changing her aesthetic. So it’s weird she’s snapping at them. Dojas not wrong for what she said, but she engaged in the ‘loving’ her fans, regarding them as kittens, and crying when she won awards for her albums until her fans called out her bf for being a predator. Should we take Dojas words seriously, or just trolling? If she’s trolling, then her fan base is gonna troll back because that’s the people she attracted. If she’s serious, then people are in their right to quit supporting her. How else is there to react
This is the reason why I wish people started the convo off with the fact that she's dating a predator because people like you just thinking it's fans complaining about aesthetic, blah, blah ,blah, when it's actually about that and her being disrespectful to her fans.
Yassss IMURGENC speak on it! I can't wait to watch this... surprised to not see Lizzo's name the title but perhaps you filmed this video before the news about her broke.
I think the biggest lie this society ever told was "celebrity must be kept accountable for their behaviour"... No. They don't. No one "has to" be held accountable for anything they do within the confines of the law. And definitely not by you, a nobody (this is a rethoric "you", I'm talking about the fans, in general). You don't get to call people out on their shitty behaviour. Do you think you are holier than thou? You don't know what the celebrity is going through emotionnally or mentally. Everybody does shitty things sometimes, especially when they are in a bad place. So try using empathy instead of judgment. If they are normal human beings, they will often know what they are doing is wrong (and believe me, whatever you want to tell them they will probably have already told themselves several times), they don't need you to be the keeper of their morality. At the end of the day, they make their own decisions. If they are not normal human beings and don't have moral values, then just stop associating with them, that's it. No one is forcing you to listen to Ariana's music if you don't like what she does in her personal life. Personally I think that's her business and you don't get to judge her for things that she decides for herself, especially when you don't know the context of what she's going through. HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN SHIT, don't project your own morals on other ppl! Secondly, celebrities didn't ask to be role models for kids --> it is an expectation YOU unfairly placed on them. You are parenting very wrong if you child is taking morality advice from celebs instead of from you. And to the adults, I say this: whoever thinks "Ariana Grande did it, so that means I can do it too" is very broken inside and needs to seek therapy ASAP. The actions of others do not dictate what you can or can't do. Only you can decide that according to your own morality (unless the action is illegal, of course, in which case your Government decides that). Finally, liking someone (or someone's art, in this case) does not mean you 100% agree with everything they have ever said or done in their life, so liking Ariana does not mean you condone every single one of her actions. Stop seeing the world in absolutes because I assure you it is everything but! People are people, sometimes they do good things, sometimes they do bad things, one sole action is not a reflexion on their character as a whole, nor does it mean that they can never grow/evolve and/or change their mind on something they used to believe. *hard facepalm * all this always seemed pretty obvious to me but, oh well... I hope that helps!
I mean Doja is right I don’t know her so I don’t love her so I can totally see why she would say that i like her music doesn’t mean I have to love her .. like we need to stop putting these ppl on a pedestal.. wen she called her fans stupid in a way we kinda are like why are we calling her a satinist just cuz she has tattoos that you wouldn’t get like and who she’s dating like why are we invested in it like we never seriously stop and think like why are we involved in these people business
I always thought I was weird because I always felt kind of weird thinking of celebrities or influencers in a personal or close way and I felt awkward leaving comments trying to talk to them. turns out I was the normal one. wild.
This video and comment section are so much more constructive then some of the other things I’ve seen floating around for Doja. Her situation puts me in such a weird place, because I’ve found myself identifying with a lot of her music before, but now I’m not sure how to feel. The fact that she doesn’t even seem to like her old pop albums is what gets me. I found comfort in how unique her style was and I loved what she was doing creatively at the time, but how are you supposed to feel when said artist says it was all a cash grab? A lot of this feel like self-sabotaging behavior on her end. I don’t want to support her actions, but I hate how much I was able to see myself through her music. I guess I was the fool then 😕
I think who she is today and who she was before are totally different people, doja(back then) i believe used to love her songs and the stuff she puts out, but i think something happened where she tried to move away from that image and try something new, she was blocked. Whatever she's dealing with now has an impact on how she views her old self. I dont really believe her entirely when she said it was a cash grab because i believe that she did put her genuine passion in it somewhere
As humans we should treat everyone fairly and like a normal human beings but we have to remember celebrities are a different bread their lives are way different to ours. We should never put someone on a pedestal, you can appreciate them and give them common curtsy but you still have to remember their human.
As they should, these perisocial relationships are only made bcuz ofnthe internet. Before the web celebrities were praised for there talent and ehat they do. And they're personal life was their's This feeling to judge them is the entitlement of another persons life. Thats weird
People make mistakes, I'm willing to forget and move on if they work on themselves and actually learn from those mistakes. If they don't and keep doing it... well, goodbye. The pop girls need to chill though, every week there's something new.
Cringiest part of parasocial relationships is fans defending their favs online like their life depends on it
Frr
Lol right? Like get a hobby, go outside 😂
I think the cringiest isnpeople acting like theyre dissapointed and the artist needs t owe them an apology lol
yeah
LIKE THEIR LIVES DEPEND ON IT. Pray the girls find their own identities.
AND THEN LIZZO??? LIKE WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THEM
They were always like that. Behind an artist there is a human being.
Doja cat before being Doja cat is Amala Ratna Zandile Dlamini.
They are build by the music industry, we tell them how to act, how to be dressed ...
They are human being like you and me, is just there work job is on the public eye and they need people to be there fan in order to have their paycheck.
omg literally was gonna comment this. i see ppl call her the female ver of tedros 💀💀
@@nuzhatfr2163 NOT TEDROS 💀💀💀💀
@@lavoixdealice it's still terrible things to do, so them always being like this just makes it worse 💀💀
@@lavoixdealice🎯
Look at Chris Brown stans if you want to see an example of fans who will ignore all kinds of heinous shlt.
Same with Minaj, once they're exposed as nasty only the cult members remain around.
I just enjoy the music and accept that he’s a sh*tty man
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@@flazeda8743Cardi B too. A lot of Bardi gang is toxic.
@@girly.mimi00 True... Now there's hope. Gaga fans were too rabid back then but they're chill since a decade. 😆
I think one of the wild parts about Doja saying her previous pop music were just stupid cash grabs is that it’s MAD DISRESPECTFUL to the artists that had features on her albums. Like. Rude as hell.
It’s wild to me that her PR team still let’s her have full access to her social media pages without stopping her from self-sabotaging (which is exactly what I think this is)
would you mind explaining to me what she meant by that tweet ? im kinda confused on what a cash grab is in this context considering she's still going on tours and dropping albums. i thought cash grab meant she jus did it for the money and so wasnt even interested in making music but shes still producing music ? so im kinda lost
@@rosieghumani think it meant that her previous albums were just cash grabs for people to actually like it especially hot pink.
Those featured artists don't care now that they're making bag
Not just the other artists, but everyone who has worked on those albums as well. The producers, the song engineers, the artists that did the covers... So many people worked hard for those albums and she just disrespected them all.
@@aniah6653 see that’s what i’m confused about, she’s still making music so ? what was the reason to say they were cash grabs bcos she clearly still put effort into the songs she released, no? sorry i probably sound hella dumb rn lmao
Yet another example of why it's a bad idea to put your favs (or any celebrities) on pedestals. These people make mistakes all the time, they aren't good people. Stan culture isn't it.
You don’t know them well enough to claim they aren’t good people…
@@BlueberrySummertimewell if one of them is stealing someone’s husband and breaking up a family…
@@BlueberrySummertimebeing a misogynist, dating a pedophile and breaking up a family aren't really good things. Sorry to tell you this
making a mistake doesn't make you a bad person you people are insane. i'm sure you're a perfect angel irl.
@@uenostation5445okay but how do you know that it was just a mistake?? again we don’t know what these celebs do behind closed doors, when they’re not on social media. so we can’t really say that they just made a mistake. but then again the same argue can be made for the other side. all just goes to show that we do not know these ppl.
They say never meet ur idols for a reason 💀 imagine the pain being a weeknd, Lizzo, Ariana, AND doja fan. Can't catch a BREAK
WAIT. What did weeknd do? Is it bc of the idol? 😭
@@yanerlaner7366very much so
I'm a Weeknd fan, every day i wish i didn't knew and could live in blissful ignorance :'v
@@joanna_vxo oh my God that show literally ruined him 😭
i’m a ariana stan and will forever be one but it’s so hard 😭
Never was a fan of Doja, but occasionally listened to some of her music. I've been done with her completely ever since her lorry hill and noah schnapp situations(esp. noah, what grown ass adult dms a kid asking to play wingman for a costar of his then throws a fit on insta about it when he jokingly shows the texts). She's always been a mean girl, people are just now realizing it.
Same. Was never a stan but I had planet her on my spotify and genuinely enjoyed that album. Can't rock wit it anymore. She's gross.
Same I stopped staning her after the tiny chat situation
Omg I had stopped listening to her after that too and completely forgot about it, it’s like every few months she did something worse and worse
yeah same, i occasionally enjoyed her music from time to time, but I've known about the lorry hill situation so this doesn't really surprised me. She's always been rude as hell :/
I thought the Noah thing was a bit overexaggerated but I understand that it was weird considering that they don't know each other. Her defending her ped0 bf was the last straw for me. Also, Noah is now under backlash as well because of him supporting and promoting Israel and what their government stands for lol guess both suck.
I’m low key LIVINGG for the deconstruction of parasocial relationships. I used to be OBSESSED with celebrities lives to the point where it was ruining my own (since I’d rather stay inside instead of living in the real world and seeing people in person). It’s been hard to detach but MAN! It’s been so worth it. People really do need to touch grass! It helps!!!
I was the same way, but for a short period in high school and over one band. It came to the point where I was thinking about them 24/7 in every aspect of my life. That was pre 2012 so i think it was just before Stan culture really took off. Only the biggest celebs had stans with fan accounts. for example, justin beiber. it wasn’t as common for so many artists who don’t, in my mind, really stand out. Even calling yourself a fan of an artist now a days is hard because of this negative stereotype. Like, I love Beyoncé, especially her new house album, but I’m sure as fuck not spending $300 for nosebleeds to see her. I can spend $300 on a 2 day music festival pass with multiple artists. Her stans clearly, have been and are willing to spend even thousands just to see her.
Same girl, its refreshing and something I wish I was able to appreciate even earlier. Passion is good but obsession can ruin you
@@blu12tri-nr5ruCNN, jk, Fox News, double jk, idk your hobbies? You play music, video games, read, do art, etc.?
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it's actually funny that after everything doja pulled, alienating her fans, calling her past albums cash grabs and claiming she disliked making that music, her new single ended up sounding VERY similar to hot pink/planet her. like it did not take a different direction at all in terms of sound
fr that’s crazy
Yeah it makes me think as to why she would do all that she did just to release a song that sounds like something she could’ve put outa year ago…it’s embarrassing 😂
Also she's doing some Victoria's Secret Tour in September after she literally said she doesn't wanna be famous famous 🙄 Contradictory.
THAT WAS EXACTLY MY FIRST THOUGHT 😭 like girl bffr embarrassing
the way those twitter stan accounts dropped her cold after the fandom name fiasco lmaooo good for them honestly
This is why I love Beyoncé and other celebrities who don’t share their whole lives. No one should really Stan someone so hard because we don’t know them personally
I miss the times were social media wasn’t a thing, and had to read celebrities lives in little magazine pages !
THANK YOU. I feel like its good to draw a healthy distance. Bruno Mars and Zendaya are currently the only ones who are doing this right. I like people from afar and mind my business. It is so strange to me how people have their pfp as celebrities and literally have accounts dedicated to them.
Yeah I really understand now why some celebs aren't on social media
Beyonce is literally with a men who cheated on her, try Rihanna or Zendaya
@@Bonita.Vampira_litr and know u feel like i entirely know too much we should all know less abt eo
I've been thinking a lot about parasocial relationships lately within the kpop community and how crazy they've gotten, thank you for this! We gotta stop putting everyone on pedestals for our own sanity lol
same! it's so weird how so many kpop fans think that these kpop idols owe them something and they are allowed to control their lives just because we buy some albums or concert tickets. and it's creepy how fans genuinely believe that they KNOW these idols. i honestly got really tired lately seeing a lot of my favorites getting hated on for simple things like dating or wearing outfits the fans don't like. i know it's been always this way in the community but i feel like it's been getting worse and worse lately, probably because of the amount of social meda with tik tok, instagram, twitter etc.
@@VideosForYou90yes!!! I’m right there with you! ❤️ you can’t call yourself a fan if you don’t treat them like human beings.
@@VideosForYou90 Yes however we also have to acknowledge that when it comes to K-pop a hugeeeee reason for that is the companies. Fans are 10x more involved and outspoken because the companies have made it clear that the fans can make or break their career. The fans can either get them blacklisted or buy them multiple billboards and promote their music without their company’s having to spend a dime. They have extreme amount of control and unfortunately they’re hyper aware of it.
@@honeybear5792 definitely! If the companies protected the idols more, they would invest more in PR to keep all that stuff from happening, as well. I think only a small percentage of fans are too delulu🤣 it’s unfortunate that the fans have to demand for their protection most of the time.
Kpop fans are even worse than any other fandom I’ve ever seen. Many of them are so delusional, so mean and sometimes racist. It’s why I stepped back from that community
Ethan is getting less heat not because people don’t think what he did was wrong but because people care about him less. A random guy cheating on his wife is nothing new, but Ariana, who passes herself off as a feminist that everyone perceives as having been a good person doing what she did is far more shocking. It’s that simple and it’s not misogyny.
I don’t know, I just find it odd that you pointed out all the reasons why it shouldn’t be surprising that Ariana is catching more heat and then pretended it was because of hypocrisy or something. Like no, you said why it made why more people would be talking about her and that’s it.
People on twt keep bringing up sexism when it comes to who should be getting the heat, ariana or ethan. They keep saying that ethan is not getting the same treatment while i see that theyre both in the crossfire. I agree with you though, ariana is more popular so its natural for ppl to talk more abt her than him
yeah i remember when that guy from Try Guys cheated on his wife and the entire internet was up in flames and dragging him for it. I didnt even know who the Try Guys were but I heard about it. The more famous person will catch the brunt of the criticisms obviously.
Yeah nobody cared about who he was before he was in the news with Ariana. He was widely unknown and most people don't have a previous opinion of him.
Most people just think he's a dope who threw his whole life and family away to be a pop stars rebound for a few months.
This is also not the first time Ariana did something like this either. She was the other women before. How she left Malcom and immediately jumped on to Pete and Pete getting together with Ari hours after breaking up with his ex - it's all sketchy. Big Sean's ex also insinuated that Sean left her for Ariana. Her song breakup with your girlfriend is allegedly about Sean and his gf Aiko. Ariana has a pattern of doing this. Of course she should get more heat because she's done it too many times to get a pass
Yes excactly and people focus more on Ariana here because many have realised that her history/dating history contains lots of cheating AND homewrecking, so it's kinda more like people realising now that Ari is a serious serial homewrecker and serial cheater whilst most people loved to think of Ari as that little homeless romantic that "just falls in love too easily".
As a kpop fan, the amount of parasocial relationships i have seen are insane
parasocial relationships within the kpop scene is a whole different beast in and of itself. i could talk abt how crazy it is for hourss
@@r4innyd4y91 Covering Sasaeng drama in detail alone is worth an entire documentary piece.
Doja doesn't have to love her fans but she can love them like a platonic appreciative way.
Love is love. If she don't love yall she don't love yall. Period
She don’t like y’all period 😂
it doesn’t even feel like she appreciates them lately 😭
@@tireddailywhy are you repeating yourself?
@@km82708 accident, I think my yt glitched
I disagree on the whole “Ariana is catching most of the flack instead of Ethan” standpoint. The reason why Ariana is receiving so much criticism is because ppl are realizing JUST how severe her pattern of behaviour is. Idk I don’t think its misogynistic to call a spade a spade 🤷🏻♀️ She’s a homewrecker.
That's not even true tho, big Sean's ex clarified in an interview that she didn't say they were cheating, she said ari was sitting with Sean when she walked in. Pete's ex also said in her book that it was a rumor and they were already broken up. And dalton's ex was just a rumor. So what pattern are we talking about?
@@drunk_taylor The pattern is her conveniently being around these couples and being friendly in these women’s faces and then when the couple breaks up she gets with their men. If that’s normal behaviour to you then Idk what else to say 👋
And before anyone suggests I’m absolving the men of this behaviour. I’m not. They also should get pushback. But frankly Ari is the more famous one so we’re gonna talk about her too. It is what it is.
@@akirahayama2653 even people that have observed her since the beginning of her career said that they never see her without a man by her side. her pattern of seeing men who are taken is wrong no matter what.
Even tho I'm a fan, she deserves the hate. How you going to smile in the wife's face, while holding her baby, then start sleeping with her husband right after? Shes a grown woman. Let her take accountability yall. Stop babying her.
Ariana literally has a whole song called Breakup with your girlfriend why would the internet be surprised.
You missed the very important "I'm bored" part 😂
@@luishp3 how does the "im bored" part explain anything?
@@iniiniinia Because it makes the request even pettier. Not only is she asking the dude in question to break up with his girlfriend; she’s doing it not because she loves him or whatever, no, she’s doing it because she’s bored. 😂
It’s about self love 🤦🏻♀️
… and Dangerous Woman too!
And she is a self proclaimed feminist meaning she doesn’t give a damn about the role of wife, mother, marriages families etc
“Doja was playing a character, plus you shouldn’t idolize your favs” I do agree that putting your favs on pedestals is dumb, but the stuff Doja was saying TO HER FANS no matter if it was a character it really made her community leave her and shi
Yeah she went too far honestly
She wanted them to leave so she did what she had to
Well hopefully she enjoys it since that's what she wanted in the end. Let's just hope she keeps the same energy once she starts working a regular peasant job like the rest of us.
@@sissysovereign1294 she won't need to she's gonna get support regardless and she's already rich she wants to lose some fans but she will still have some cus still she is a A LISTER
@@sissysovereign1294the amount of money she’s made from the past 2 albums and new songs means she’s set for life
Not sure why Doja hyped this album up as if it was gonna be something different…let’s be real attention and paint the town red sounds like it could’ve been on hot pink/planet her 😭
Fr like it's really not any different from some of her previous songs 😭
like she’s been going so wild over it and it’s the same rap genre 😭
It sounds like the lesser known songs on her previous albums honestly 😂 I thought she was gonna go full metal or do some hard rap.
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@@tinaye8638 right like this could have easily been on planet her or Amala 😭😭
Personally I feel like I can separate the music from the artist and still hold them accountable. I lovvvvve Aris music. Her music was pivotal in so many emotional points in my life, and I don’t see myself just disliking her albums because of her controversy. However; whereas once I was a huge fan and would’ve dedicated myself as a fan a little more, I certainly think this changed things. You will not catch me at her shows or actively supporting her aside from the probable $1 she gains from my Spotify streams. My money and general support and effort are going to the artists I think embody my values. This does make me sad because as someone who’s been a victim of a homewrecker it sucks to see one of my favorite artist act this way, but at the end of the day I don’t know her.
Para-social relationships was made because lots of people are lonely…
They also live vicariously through these people.
They often give me a religious cultist vibe tbh
Yeah, and celebrities have what most people want to have: tons of money, relevancy and influence. So thats why they are so liked and adored
Yes! Like if you’re not happy with someone’s actions, JUST stop supporting them.
Funny thing is, that the majority of them just go back after a week, and that just shows are not that serious in the slightest 😭
I wouldn’t say everyone who’s bashing Ariana has a parasocial relationship. She is a public figure who intentionally did something wrong and she is being shunned just like a regular person would be in society if they were known to be a home wrecker.
Lol home wreckers don't get shunned in the reaL world XD
In some societies they do.
this is why when i find a new artist or something i just listen to their music. that’s it. no learning about their personal lives or who they dated way back when. i listen to kpop but never call myself a stan because i do not care about the idols themselves. ik that sounds harsh but yeah. i don’t really bother to know the names of each idol or how old they are. i just listen to their music.
Same maybe a got a little obsessed for one or two artists waay back when i was a teenager, but i have grown it now
One thing I feel needs to be said is that theres a big difference between "puttiing someone on a pedestal" and just... Expecting or wanting to believe your fav artist is a decent person. I dont think it is that unreasonable.
Okay but they are human not every human Is sunshine n rainbows
Agreed
@@nonnjjjnot every human cheats on their partner or abuses their staff 💀
@@eddieisverygay7937 nobody was excusing that all I said was someone being rude is just another part of being human no one said that abuse was okay yall always make everything about those things
@@nonnjjj i mean that’s literally one of the topics in the video, it’s not like I brought it up out of nowhere. your comment was very vague and could be interpreted in multiple meats considering the subject matter, don’t get mad at me cause you didn’t clarify.
as a kpop stan seeing this dissection of parasocial relationships reaching levels of self awareness from consumers is interesting because it really highlights the differences in marketing in western industries versus, say, the south korean entertainment industry. in america our celebrities may be turning into influencers but they’re still mainly selling their work as a product. in south korea the music is only a part of the package, their lives are also being sold too. because fandom provides such a sense of belonging to a lot of fans, it makes sense that they begin to feel entitled to their idols’ lives when it is linked to the thing they pay to consume. the idea that someone’s actions are surprising to us is just a reminder that despite how much you love your fave, you don’t know them, and it hurts, which explains a lot of the denial some fans might feel and will just go on supporting that person, no matter how problematic they’ve shown to be. social media has blurred too many lines between celebrity and the average person i think.
For me, I’ll still listen to Ariana’s music, I vibe with it and it would be hard to stop listening to her just because of her personal life. HOWEVER, I will now always view her differently, and see her in a more negative light. I wouldn’t trust her as a friend, but we aren’t friends , and she doesn’t know I exist. But I def think my opinion of her has changed and it’s disappointing for sure. As for doja , I’m not interested in her new album and as a fan of her past work it’s insulting and so dumb to me what she said about her own fans. So what if it was a cash grab? There’s no reason to say that or call your fans dumb for liking it. It left a really bad taste in my mouth for sure. At the end of the day I think she’s a internet troll and hates fame
I feel like doja doesnt mean the stuff she said about her music and fans in a way, i think back then she really loved it all but something happened in the present so now she hates everything + her bf scandal also took a huge part on how she's acting now
I always thought Ari had narcissistic personality so I wasn't surprised, but I appreciate her music. I tend to separate artists and their work because it's just easier tbh and I feel extreme fan culture isn't healthy or necessary ... just my 2 cents 😊
All the attention Ariana is getting is not misogynistic. She isn’t Monica Lewinsky. People are noticing her pattern of behavior and are rightfully calling her out on it. Nobody is ignoring Ethan either. This scandal may likely make it hard for him to find work. His claim to fame is the SpongeBob musical…he didn’t have much stardom in the first place and can easily be erased from the public eye. People know him more from this scandal than the musical.
Ariana on the other hand has a pattern of dating taken men. Whether that means she cheats with them or becomes the reason they leave their partners and it’s happened often enough that people are taken notice. I’ve seen many comments of women who were in the wife position that have no sympathy for Ariana and rightfully so. We have to stop claiming misogyny on women whose behavior deserves to be called out. Plus I highly doubt this situation will really be the end of her career so why waste your time backing a home wrecker. Just keep quiet and wait until Wicked come out and enjoy her then. 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t see many people enjoying Wicked, unfortunately.
Now Lizzo is getting a whole lawsuit filled against her. embarrassing.
what did she do i’m lost
@@kphoria1009Bullying, SA from her and her team to the back-up dancers, bullying and an unsafe workspace.
As a former Swiftie, my heart goes out to the all the other pop girly stans who have fallen❤. Your soul will feel better when you leave the parasocial admiration behind and start investing in yourself
What did Taylor do? (Genuinely asking cause I have no idea)
@@vanivanillipeople grow out of things they might like, it doesn't have to be anything specific
@@vanivanilli for me, it was her dating Matty Healy. He had publicly made some disturbing comments about women/people of color, admitted he watched porn based on the brutalization of WOC (he literally described it as “brutalized” while laughing), made fun of Ice Spice in a very specifically racist and sexist way, and then a few months later Taylor started dating him and conveniently had a (shitty) song with Ice Spice come out and she claimed she dumped Matty because Ice told her about it personally. But it was very, “come on, Miss self-proclaimed Mastermind, you know everything and have the best PR team ever, you just didn’t care about being seen so closely with a bigot”. When it came down to brass tax, she either truly dated a bigot which is gross, or she was fine with people thinking she was dating a bigot, which was also gross.
Everyone has now forgotten, but it was the straw that broke my parasocial love; it gave white feminist, I only care about marginalized communities if I am a part of them or they can benefit me. I was fully in the lore, now I am a free woman and haven’t listened to a Taylor song in months.
@@drunk_taylor oh no, she’s right: there was a catalyzing event
@@sarahhudson7108 Oh wow thats horrible. Thank you for letting me know!
Celebrities also need to stop portraying themselves as something they're not to sell their product because it's deceitful. You can't portray yourself to be a certain person and then not live up to it and expect your fans not to be pissed at you💀
Exactlyyyyy!!! I hate ppl who gaslight the fans who go hard for these celebs by saying they don’t owe you anything but indeed they do .
I mean idk about that. That's mainly how alot of them make their money. Artist like this make up most of the music industry. It's how they sell a brand.
Although to point out of a celeb who isn't a great person is honest then we wouldn't support them
Exactly. It’s coming to bite them back in the butt. Stop selling your identity for fame and then be surprised when you show your true self, people don’t like it.
But most of the time it seems as if their teams are curating their personality for them, if someone is giving "the girl next door" vibe they will sell them as that, if they are "alternative" they will promote them as that, they don't have "individuality" it's just way for the labels to get their checks same with actors (someone might be messy/rude behind the curtains but they have the "nice girl" image so they will sell as that, it's business)
these parasocial relationships keep the bills paid that's why artist don't stop them into its too late.
Exactly, it’s just the condition of being famous 🤨
Like Doja Cat, for example, who complains after becoming wealthy. You reach the level of wealth/fame you want, then forcefully rip-off the strings. 💀 It’s a smart tactic, just not the way she did it.
Yeah and also the labels encourage it cause they're greedy af
I just hate that when we start to stan a celeb just to find out they begin to slowly show their true colors :(
I get why you would in the first place
True. I just hate being let down yk
Most of them show you who they are from the beginning but most people choose to ignore it because "bops"
@@eauxkei702did this with doja cat and regret it 😭 the signs of her being a weirdo were there
Why would you even Stan people you don’t know 💀
Hey, I am really enjoying this video, it kind of made me rethink some stuff here and there, I always never cared who made the music and shows, and kind of just enjoyed the content alone, but parasocial relationships are real, and thank you for addressing it in an understanble and none offensive way.
It really painted the picture for me.
Damn last year the vocalist of my all time fave hardcore band was accused of sexually assaulting a girl he met up with on tinder. He apologized, was sent to rehab for alcoholism for like 4-5 months, they let him back in and he backpedaled on what he said happened with her. I was such a huge supporter for years, their music got me thru many difficult times so it was heartbreaking realizing everything we thot we knew abt these men was wrong. It doesnt matter the genre/industry etc, this shit exists everywhere, I am glad that we are detaching ourselves from these people and the toxicity of relying on the image of them we've formed in our heads
I never put celebrities on a pedestal but hearing what Ariana did to her honestly shocked me. She was always seen as a "Girls girl" so for her to publicly humiliate her and disrespect her family like that was just awful. (Plus they did double dates together)
I used to feel the same way about Alicia Keys.... She started dating Her husband while he was still married.... we really don't know these people. They have no morals!
When did she ever portray herself as a girl's girl? She and co let Victoria be dragged for YEARS
@@vsboardza i never said she said that.
I do think it’s interesting that you said celebrities aren’t owed us anything except what they’re selling! But more often than not because of the rise of the influencer, celebrities are selling themselves. to what extent is Doha’s. brand her music and what is HER? Idk! I just wanted to share that
this is an interesting point!
@@imuRgency I just wanna say I love your videos!You make my day when you post and feel like I'm of crazy for feeling like this❣
True, but even if they are selling themselves, does that really mean customers should have access to them 24/7?
so glad ur talking about this!!
It's interesting to see more and more videos about parasocial relationships coming out because it is a great topic to speak about. I'm seeing the issues with parasocial relationships being analyzed with Kpop as well. In recent years some people in some fandoms have become a little overzealous when it comes to interacting with idols/celebs. It's like post covid people started relying more on connecting with celebrities, artists, Influencers, and idols. I'm hoping that with the recent events with celebs that people start to create that healthy distance again.. But man! The Age of Aquarius has been enlightening so far.
I like the video BUT I wish people would stop misusing the wording “parasocial relationship”. You wanting to be apart of/create a fandom name for a group or artist is fine. It’s also fine to feel a certain type of way if your fave artist is a cheater and wish they weren’t a homewrecker.
Like I been saying, look at what idols in the kpop industry go through. That’s what actual obsessive stan who have parasocial relationship with these idols look like
TLDR: Use the terms “parasocial relationship” “stan” and “obsessive fan” correctly
Right, idols/artists are great especially when they are of good influence and you see it time and time again in thier personal character. The world can always use a good source of inspiration. Fans can create communities where people feel they belong, some meet and make friends at concerts, the fans have inside jokes..it can be really great thing bc it unites people.
It's just a matter of how willing people are to dismiss their idols wrong doings and how clear the boundaries between the idol and thier fans are. Some fans put cameras in gifts and follow idols home which is insane so it's really important to have that boundary. What I'm saying is both sides should know thier limits and maintain morality/respect to themselves and one another.
Agreed.
Social media to me personally ruined what a "celebrity" is! Back in the day people were obsessed with celebs bc they were fabulous or talented but no one knew anything about them. Now bc of SM celebs over share over talk and answer questions no one was even asking making them very unlikable.
"Back in the day": How old are you? You do realize that there have been paparazzi stalking celebrities since the 1960s and magazines spreading both lies and occasionally truths about celebrities since 1911. So you must at least be 113 years old to even have lived in a time before what you describe turned into the new normal. Nostalgia is what it is for some reason people glorify the past to the point where they are lying to themselves and distorting reality to fit their vision of what it should have been rather than what it actually was.
the issue is too many people live online and think they are owed things from celebrities i literally don’t stan anyone its weird and you don’t really know these people! just hold them accountable like anyone else or move on cause no point in canceling them if after a few months you’re going to support them again
Years ago Jhené Aiko put out a song where she alludes to Big Sean being on the scene with "little miss thing" after she and Sean broke up. I've always had the hunch that she was referring to Ariana, and the vibe I got from the line in the song was that this little miss thing came between them in some way. Now, after this situation/entanglement (like Jada would say lol) has been revealed to the public I must say my hunch makes a lot of sense. 😂
I'm fully convinced that you cannot be a big celebrity without being a terrible person, whether it's secretly or out in the open.😂
idk ppl are now saying that ariana and ethan were taking their spouses on double dates together so they could see each other. situation is gross on both their parts.
"the people" only being a magazine called pagesix lmaoo. like non of the other credible magazines have said anything abt it. and the source is coming from someone that nobody knows not from ari, ethan. lily or dalton. and on top of tht, pagesix is notorious for spreading lies abt arianas personal life, which has been debunked multiple times. and im sorry but im not even tryna defend ariana like tht cuz i rlly dont know her, but its so weird how easily ppl can think for a second this whole scandal is entirely true. its so contradicting.
Parasocial relationships are terrifying, honestly. It’s incredible in the same token, because why put so much energy into explaining the decisions of someone you don’t actually know? Hailey and Selena thing really grinds my gears, because people are out here failing language classes, but writing ESSAYS, damn near dissertations, on people they have never met. The culture in itself was meant to be about entertainment, has exploded into their personal lives. Understandable, you want to have a personal connection to the person you are listening, watching, supporting in whatever way etc. but the moment they mess up in anyway people become their publicist. Y’all be easy out there.
Celeberties are humans at the end of the day. They do the same things some none celeberties they just have more eyes on them. Which just to clarify some (if not most) of their behavior is not acceptable
Not sure if wrecking homes and destroying marriages is something „ we all do“.
@@vanivanilli well not all of us but some people do which is sad
@@h_51415 Yeah and those people should be criticized for their actions. That doesn’t exclude celebrities
@@vanivanilli I know. I never said it shouldn't be criticized.
The thing about artists is that as soon as they reach a certain level of fame and success they become a commodity for entertainment, so the human aspect of a celebrity is lost and the become a product to be consumed. However, they maintain a human aspect and the human status but it’s a distorted perception of it. Not so much a human, but more a “humanoid’ish” figure (also tied to how perfect and curated their image becomes). I imagine is intertwined with the fear of robots taking human form but viceversa. And when these people act human in their many imperfect ways it’s shocking and difficult to comprehend. Idk at least that’s my hypothesis. At the end of the day these people deserve the privacy we all do, and I do believe that engaging so personally with people you don’t know can affect negatively on fans and celebrities. I do not find any of these people’s behaviour shocking. I believe they stopped giving a f*ck a long time ago and feel caged by how public and picked apart their lives are; to me they’re acting out, and they really don’t care anymore who they upset. It’s heartbreaking to be quite frank. It’s either that or it’s all pr. Anyway, thanks for the space to share.
I think a major part of "stan culture" and parasocial relationships that isn't talked about is the sense of unity it gives lonely people. A lot of stans (particularly teens and early 20 somethings) tend to identify with being misfits, loners, etc. These people (generally speaking) to aren't too happy with their own lives and use these celebrities/influencers as their escape. Finding fellow stans creates this sense of community that they tend to lack IRL. This is why they go so hard for these public figures. They rally each other to vote for their faves, run up their streams so they'll chart or have high RUclips views. In their minds, if their fav "wins", they win. It's a distraction from their own lives where they feel like nobodies. Stan culture makes them feel like a somebody. I actually deleted my Twitter account some years ago because I got sick of the random K-Pop videos being spammed in conversations that had nothing to do with that lol. I'll never forget when rapper Cupcakke tweeted that she wanted to kill herself and someone commented "why kill yourself when you can stan 'Twice'?!" Accompanied by a clip of one of their performances smh. I feel for these people because they let it consume them and are so out of touch with reality. The saying "go outside and touch grass" applies here. Unplug for a while, look up and live your life. Your REAL life.
You know what? As they should. Fanbases and fandoms been acting absolutely unhinged for the longest. A lot of fans seriously disrespect the same person thats supposed to be their "fave". The saying "never meet your idol" exists for a reason.
Right like fans need to stop and keep a distance
I’m a fan of lots of thing in the way that like i listen to x band a lot. I hate how people are like “oh taylor is perfeckt!!1!” Like just enjoy the stuff man don’t expect people to be kind. I always, *always* assume the worst in people, and so far it’s worked in my favor.
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I honestly think parasocial relationships is being used as a coverup for straight up idolisation. You can have a parasocial relationship with someone and still acknowledge they're a regular human being, the real issue is when people idolize and put these people on a pedestal and create a mental image of they can do no wrong and don't need to be held accountable for anything they do.
I agree, they’re different things. It’s perfectly human to build a connection to someone who shares a part of themselves and their lives especially if you resonate with that. Of course we don’t truly know them but they shared a part of themselves with us. It’s ok to care about someone you don’t really know cause that’s just human. Idolization is another topic
Not only are celebrities “just people” but their work requires them to put a TON of work into their craft.
That means time and energy not being put into healing trauma, doing shadow work, developing an internalized sense of self worth…
Also the dynamics of fame is not usually something that helps someone improve their mental health and ability to maintain healthy relationships
They’ve got the monies to hire the best therapists. Ariana hasn’t toured in a long time, and she certainly time.
As soon as that work is released / published, it turns into passive income. They don't have to sing every single song for every single CD. They don't keep working a full time job (active income) like most of the rest of us.
Might as well add lizzo on to this list now. I'm really disappointed looking upto these people.
I think it’s weird that people idolize anyone really, personally I find that odd……
It's not just odd, it's incredibly sad.
They need to touch grass
it's worse when ppl began worshipping them like Gods. it becomes truly concerning.
Exactly. We have no idea what's going on in anyone's minds other than our own.
I agree
honestly destroying parasocial 'relationships' is a net positive. people need real connections. were a social species. its literally the open secret to thriving as a human
The phrase never meet your heroes falls perfectly within this!! If you give them this personality you think and associate them as you don’t see them doing weirdo shit
I don’t think there’s one lens to look at para social relationships through it’s a very nuanced topic as many things are. I’ve read many comments under this video and almost everything said by someone I agree with half of it and disagree with half of it. Yes it’s weird to think someone you don’t know owes you anything but these people put them selves in a situation where they are publicly on display therefore the way they are viewed is obviously different than someone not in the public eye. The problem with Stan culture is loving someone so much (that you don’t actually know) and blindly supporting them no matter what they do because of the weird connection you’ve created in your head with them. Going off of my first part because these people are in the public eye these situations they get into are no longer their private business which is why I disagree with people that think we shouldn’t care when a celebrity for example dates a known racist. The type of people you keep around reflect your morals and if this information is made public I am allowed to judge that person for it. Like I said I agree with the fact that they owe us nothing so no ofc a celebrity wouldn’t be obligated to break up with the morally incorrect person they are seeing just because their fans said so but that backlash for dating sed person and people no longer liking the celebrity is valid. I personally in most occasions can’t separate the art from the artist just because I hold my morals so high I will judge someone is they are a fan of someone who surrounds themselves in any capacity with someone morally incorrect the same way I would judge a person I know personally for doing so because it shows what type of person you are.
and I would like to add that these things happen irl but because these people are not in the public eye it’s easier to go unnoticed for example the way that many people will deny someone is a rapist because they’re their friend and think they know them well enough to say they wouldn’t do something like that. That’s blindly supporting someone no matter what they do it’s the same thing the difference is the entire world doesn’t know to judge them for it.
See this why I appreciate celebs like
kanye and Azelia banks cus they don’t put on a fake act they say how they feel and let you appreciate there art they don’t care if you don’t like them as a person but you can’t say they arent talented
azealia needs to teach. masterclass in how to be authentically an asshole (and still be loved for it)
idk why but i thought this was sarcasm💀
the situation with doja shows the ugly truth of putting celebrities on a pedestal, they dont know you nor do they have to care. it would be graceful to show appreciation to the people who keep you relevant but she's a person too, with free will, just like us.
Its one thing to be a fan. Its another thing to make a whole human your imaginary friend
I follow Madisyn Brown and Madi was excusing Ariana's behavior, quoting everything under the sun to explain and justify her behavior but addressing the evil in it, yet making sure to say "I'm not excusing Ariana's behavior, she's a grown ass woman." Madi even started talking about the "danger" of internalized misogyny as to why people were side-eyeing and disagreeing with Ariana, one of these female celebrities championing the idea of self-love, feminism and kindness, yet sacrificing the emotional well-being of another woman for her own. Like, y'all are making excuses and that's fine in my books. But make excuses when you end up in the situation of Ethan Slater's now ex-wife, right?
Exactly, she did not get the message. Also it's not misogynist to call a woman a homewrecker. Madi missed the point, you can excuse horrible behavior just because someone has been through some stuff, Ariana out here acting like she cares about women empowerment and feminism, but being the cause to all the trauma of another woman, ovwr a decade.
I was thinking the same. They must’ve never been in a similar position to be dismissive about it. People aren’t criticizing about a woman who’s accidentally been with a guy not knowing he was taken/married and she was the side-chick. They are criticizing women who willingly go after these men on a repeated cycle as much as they are shaming guys who cheat on their partners. Both are at fault. The fact that people even accuse criticism of someone’s shitty character as being misogynistic is such a stretch. As if no women can be shit people, right?
Also I hate how they try to victimize her behavior by saying:”oh she’s just an insecure soul and has problems finding love and daddy issues” but before they were like “oh yeah, she’s such an icon she doesn’t need men she is an empowered woman” like y’all gotta make up your mind
i was disappointed w that vid of hers but not surprised. She's an ari fan, has made covers of her songs before, and was very easy on her about the blackfishing and asianfishing scandals.
Honestly I don't care. Unless they get to R Kelly and Kanye West levels of fuckery, I am not involved or affected. I am just a consumer of content
agree
Most people commend Kanye for his 2004-2010 run of music, and how much influence he had on rap as a producer. That alone is going to make people want to defend him when he has the influence and “legendary status”.
What has Kelly done to change music? And, likewise, Ariana? Doja? Lizzo? They don’t have the same “street cred” that Kanye does as an artist.
me personally though….i enjoy pop culture and celebrities. i like being a fangirl and a part of a fandom. i enjoy celebrity culture more than influencers and content creators. idk, im sure im not the only one.
There is a chinese quote that says : 知人知面不知心
Which means you know the person, you know their appearance but you never know their heart
I appreciate you bringing this up bc it's the one thing that no one is talking about. I was just thinking about the parasocial relationships and then I saw your thumbnail. Instant follow.
welcome
As an aging millennial, I’m glad I’ve never developed the parasocial relationship that todays fanbases have. Then again, my favorite artists have made sure to keep that distance. I think Doja maybe leaning too much in her troll aspect and could backfire, then again, if she’s doing hardcore rap the album will probably do that alone. As for Ari, it’s just messy. It’s not bad and really glad you mentioned it takes two, it’s just her persona is getting long in the tooth.
Boy ppl have been obsessed fans since elvis and the beatles lool
@@jadebel7006 Social media completely changed the game
@@stretchmonster haha oh please ...go back and watch footage and fan interviews from every decade...Elvis and the beatles changed the game ...ppl don't go Nearly as cray as they did for either of those artists...this is nothing new
@@jadebel7006thing is elvis wasnt able interact with his fans and see the way his record was performing instantly through engagement and live comments etc, a lot of artists were not even aware about their chart positions. It's too much exposure and the lack of boundaries has never been his huge between the artist and the listener. Its just not the same
@@tcrijwanachoudhury oh hun no.offence you are so incorrect hahaha 🤣 there was a thing called fanmail...and back them people would say the same thing just about interviews...all you have to do is watch live shows and fan interviews of back then.. its all the same lool
Honestly this is just refreshing. I hate stan culture, its pathetic and if this is whatll take to end probably the worst parts of Gen Z behavior then im all in. It destroys artists and takes away the dignity of fans
This ain’t no Gen Z thing. People used to be way more obsessed back in the days actually. Have u forgotten how fans used to literally FAINT at Michael Jackson concerts?
Doja just can’t make up her mind about her music and what she wants and Ariana is giving Cassie from euphoria.We only the people outside looking in so 😂
they way everyone is assuming that lily and ariana were besties or sisters is so weird too me bc we do not know those women at all or what their relationship was even like. shit we dont even know if theyve met in person before.
Like you said, if you dont like someone then just stop supporting them. I think hate watching has become so normal that I dont really take cancel culture seriously because lol people are gonna watch regardless. Most ppl don’t actually stand by their morals and curiosity gets to them or they just dont care.
Im interested into how her album does too bc I feel like having an extreme parasocial relationship with fans is the backbone of success for artists
Stop idolizing people, and find better role models ❤
Missing the days when people’s role models were their parents instead of random strangers
This.
@@ITSMETHESHEEPpeople always idolized famous people, this isn’t new
@@kphoria1009 not 10 year olds being so publicly encouraged to obsess with these random people to this intensity.
@medude1239 not everyone has good parents so unfortunately that's not always an options. 😕
THANK YOUUUU! its always been really weird to me how people think these people owe them something and that they care about them . Like they dont have full on media training and they're not telling you what you want to hear.
I’m a huge Ariana fan, but I’m also strongly against cheating or hurtin people in general. When this whole thing started, I remember commenting that I feel sorry for Ethan’s wife (who admitted that it really happened) and Dalton too and that it’s really not okay to cheat, no matter how famous, rich or popular you are, cuz sooner or later, it will all come back around to slap you in your face.
The hate I got from other fans was crazy. People were sayin I’m not a real fan, that I’m making things up and “Ariana didn’t confirm anything”. I get that many of them are probably teens, but being so blind that you’re invalidating someone’s amoral behavior is just too much.
I am a stan of only one artist/group at the moment (and for the first time ever) and it has revealed to me just how much it takes from an artist to get me into a mode of regularly buying, streaming, attending concerts, and engaging online. I understand now just how little liking a majority of an artist's music has to do with me deciding to actively support them. By no means do I expect nor feel entitled to an artist going beyond making music to get me to legitimately stan them. But as it turns out, without those extras, my lifelong habits have shown that I simply download the songs for free, put them on my phone and keep it pushin'. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this. As for the pop girlies I'm question, how things go for them is dependent on what kind of conditions a majority of their followers have for stanning. Time will tell.
You shouldn't stan anyone. You should touch grass.
@@Nottyastroyou should read the whole thing
also it’s not just about fans who love the artists either, fans who hate the artist are just as guilty of keeping up parasocial relationships as well. especially if you hate them for something that’s personal to them.
I think that a bit of where the problem comes from is how some celebrities will say they are against something (like idk, say fat shaming) but then will do that thing they are against. And they will make it part of their brand, expecting to not be outed as a hypocrite.
The way Ariana is getting more heat than the married man 🙄. They both deserve the heat if this affair is real. But overall, I really don’t care. Thanks for the video! Love ur channel! ❤️
Edit: Can I just say to some people that I'm not trying to protect Ariana or say that they deserve equal blame. That's not what I'm saying at all.
It’s always like that. But it’s the fact this isn’t her first rodeo in doing this also doesn’t make her look good.
She’s not, she’s just more famous. She’s also the one always targeting married men. Not sure why you would even think to defend her at all.
Guys we found another one 🤡
@@naveerarizwan5329another one of what?
literally everyone is bashing this Ethan guy so idk what y'all are on about. he's getting a lot of hate, it's just Ariana has surprised and HOPEFULLY eye opened a lot of her delusional fans
Love this video! You hit so many important points, i particularly relate and agree to how you talked about being not shocked, but disappointed when a celebrity you enjoy does something out of pocket. You explained that point beautifully
I’m kinda glad that people are starting to realize that Stan culture is just ridiculous and it’s better to not put stars on pedestal so it’s a good thing !
ALSO thank you for mentioning MISOGYNY. It is so real with these stories
Ariana is definitely winning the idgaf war cuz how she a got all these homewrecking allegations but still manages to get a unreleased demo trending (the demo was leaked by fans and is being taken down but I still think the timing is crazy)
Whats the demo called?
@@havensohn3821Fantasize
@@havensohn3821 it’s called Fantasize
@@havensohn3821Fantasize
@@havensohn3821fantasize
This is why I don't keep up with artists and their personal lives, I just listen to the it music because I like it and I will continue to do so because I separate the artist themselves from what they create and also putting them on a pedestal is just stupid because they're humans just like us and make stupid mistakes just like the rest of us
People just be so obsessed they think they can do no wrong. Bad people are bad people it don’t matter who they are.
TOTALLY OUT OF THEME, BUTTTT OMGGG IS THAT THE OLIVIA RODRIGO VAMPIRE MERCH!!Yaassss didnt know you were a livie!!!!Love u even more now
I love how when we RUclips search "Ariana Grande SpongeBob", the first several suggestions aren't even about her Nickelodeon years.
Lol 😂 I thought it was a crossover
A few years ago, it would’ve been her doing SpongeBob covers. I’m assuming that’s not the same now.
Madyson has had some of the most hurtful and wrong takes out there. I definitely would not reference her in any of your videos
You mean Madyson brown? I probably missed that part of the video
Wait, what did she say? I don't watch a lot of her content, but she seems alright.
And you’re 100% right. No one owes anyone anything.
I don’t think it’s “parasocial” to want artists to be good people. Like I don’t even really catch up with celebrity dramas I just barely knew what happened because ur video but I’m still disappointed in them for what they did. I can still appreciate their work and so I will still listen to they’re music. Trust me as much as we like to act these people will be “cancelled” anytime soon(which never works) once a new album drops in a couple years we’ll forget about it. Look at Travis Scott y’all…so I wouldn’t be stressing over it just don’t pay money for them, your allowed to give their music a listen. Let’s face it a majority if not all artists that went mainstream are bad people.
Even if the girls deserve criticisms, I also feel like women get a lot more heat than men. I get that it’s partially because SpongeBob HumanPants and a Twitch Streamer don’t have the same fanbase that Ariana and Doja do but I also feel like people just love to pounce at the opportunity to bring down women despite the men in these particular scandals being more deplorable. It happens in almost every dating scandal that the woman in the relationship is scrutinized but the man is just a symbol of her behaviour rather than an equal player at the least or the actual perpetrator at most. If the roles are reversed and a presumably progressive man was caught in a relationship with a questionable woman, everyone would pity the man and say he was “tricked” into it. It’s not that the women don’t deserve to be called out for their complacency but they’re afforded way less consideration that just maybe, their partly the victims in these relationships as well.
This isn't about gender. Ariana is way more powerful than SpongeBob and could have gotten his little arse fired in a second and noone would hire his stupid face again. And Ariana isn't mentally challenged or something. She knew that hooking up with the guy with a baby was a bad idea, she even met the family. If this guy was going to cheat, who can stop him? But Ariana could have had some self-respect and empathy towards Lily and the baby and say "not with me".
@@Bogotaeverything I wasn't saying she's not responsible for her actions but the guy is the one who possibly had an affair and the way people frame it, they only act like Ariana is the one who betrayed his wife and not the literal husband who's also not an idiot. Even you saying that is acting like he's also a victim in this situation when he was fully consenting. Also what do you mean who can stop him?? Why not have the same mentality for Ariana about his self-respect then???
@zukimutaa He's not the victim even though Ariana is way more influential and powerful in the industry, he made a choice and it was to break his marriage to pursue an affair. He is a backstabbing traitor idiot, but he's also not relevant in any way and sadly, he's just another ugly simpleton cheating on his wife and leaving her. It's Ariana's lack of consideration towards anyone and her habit of going for cheaters so that she can cheat on them too while doing her whole fake mental health and women's right advocacy thing that is shocking people.
on doja: i think she's tired and giving the energy back tbh. ppl said she was devil worshipping for being a black girl who likes the emo look and said her style was crazy and went IN on her for years. she used to always go live and give content but now that she snaped and said 'i don't owe you shit, you're a fan of me, not the other way around', she's wrong? her fans were being spoiled entitled brats who were only nice by getting songs on the charts and she's sick of it.
on ariana: i disagree that she's getting more of it. spongebob has been DRAGGED by his name, bank acccount and pale skin. people won't let UP when it comes to roasting him. it seems they're just disappointed in ariana and she's clearly using it for promo. i still believe it takes two to tango and she's wrong as h3ll pretending to be super cute and blah blah blah soft dainty. its cringe that she's trying to play a cute baby.
i loved this quick video and your commentary. it was TRULY unbiased (which most say they'll be and aren't)! i found you through this video and i'm subbing
Dojas fans were defending her for changing her aesthetic. So it’s weird she’s snapping at them. Dojas not wrong for what she said, but she engaged in the ‘loving’ her fans, regarding them as kittens, and crying when she won awards for her albums until her fans called out her bf for being a predator. Should we take Dojas words seriously, or just trolling? If she’s trolling, then her fan base is gonna troll back because that’s the people she attracted. If she’s serious, then people are in their right to quit supporting her. How else is there to react
This is the reason why I wish people started the convo off with the fact that she's dating a predator because people like you just thinking it's fans complaining about aesthetic, blah, blah ,blah, when it's actually about that and her being disrespectful to her fans.
Im so glad to see you chose this video idea!
this is why you don't "STAN" anyone, no matter how well you think you know them, you really never do
Yassss IMURGENC speak on it! I can't wait to watch this... surprised to not see Lizzo's name the title but perhaps you filmed this video before the news about her broke.
Now we gotta add LIZZO to the list 🙄
I think the biggest lie this society ever told was "celebrity must be kept accountable for their behaviour"... No. They don't. No one "has to" be held accountable for anything they do within the confines of the law. And definitely not by you, a nobody (this is a rethoric "you", I'm talking about the fans, in general). You don't get to call people out on their shitty behaviour. Do you think you are holier than thou? You don't know what the celebrity is going through emotionnally or mentally. Everybody does shitty things sometimes, especially when they are in a bad place. So try using empathy instead of judgment.
If they are normal human beings, they will often know what they are doing is wrong (and believe me, whatever you want to tell them they will probably have already told themselves several times), they don't need you to be the keeper of their morality. At the end of the day, they make their own decisions.
If they are not normal human beings and don't have moral values, then just stop associating with them, that's it. No one is forcing you to listen to Ariana's music if you don't like what she does in her personal life. Personally I think that's her business and you don't get to judge her for things that she decides for herself, especially when you don't know the context of what she's going through.
HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN SHIT, don't project your own morals on other ppl!
Secondly, celebrities didn't ask to be role models for kids --> it is an expectation YOU unfairly placed on them. You are parenting very wrong if you child is taking morality advice from celebs instead of from you.
And to the adults, I say this: whoever thinks "Ariana Grande did it, so that means I can do it too" is very broken inside and needs to seek therapy ASAP. The actions of others do not dictate what you can or can't do. Only you can decide that according to your own morality (unless the action is illegal, of course, in which case your Government decides that).
Finally, liking someone (or someone's art, in this case) does not mean you 100% agree with everything they have ever said or done in their life, so liking Ariana does not mean you condone every single one of her actions. Stop seeing the world in absolutes because I assure you it is everything but!
People are people, sometimes they do good things, sometimes they do bad things, one sole action is not a reflexion on their character as a whole, nor does it mean that they can never grow/evolve and/or change their mind on something they used to believe.
*hard facepalm * all this always seemed pretty obvious to me but, oh well... I hope that helps!
I mean Doja is right I don’t know her so I don’t love her so I can totally see why she would say that i like her music doesn’t mean I have to love her .. like we need to stop putting these ppl on a pedestal.. wen she called her fans stupid in a way we kinda are like why are we calling her a satinist just cuz she has tattoos that you wouldn’t get like and who she’s dating like why are we invested in it like we never seriously stop and think like why are we involved in these people business
I always thought I was weird because I always felt kind of weird thinking of celebrities or influencers in a personal or close way and I felt awkward leaving comments trying to talk to them. turns out I was the normal one. wild.
This video and comment section are so much more constructive then some of the other things I’ve seen floating around for Doja. Her situation puts me in such a weird place, because I’ve found myself identifying with a lot of her music before, but now I’m not sure how to feel. The fact that she doesn’t even seem to like her old pop albums is what gets me. I found comfort in how unique her style was and I loved what she was doing creatively at the time, but how are you supposed to feel when said artist says it was all a cash grab? A lot of this feel like self-sabotaging behavior on her end. I don’t want to support her actions, but I hate how much I was able to see myself through her music. I guess I was the fool then 😕
I think who she is today and who she was before are totally different people, doja(back then) i believe used to love her songs and the stuff she puts out, but i think something happened where she tried to move away from that image and try something new, she was blocked. Whatever she's dealing with now has an impact on how she views her old self. I dont really believe her entirely when she said it was a cash grab because i believe that she did put her genuine passion in it somewhere
She said it was a cash grab cus they didn't feel like her her label forced her to make it
As humans we should treat everyone fairly and like a normal human beings but we have to remember celebrities are a different bread their lives are way different to ours. We should never put someone on a pedestal, you can appreciate them and give them common curtsy but you still have to remember their human.
As they should, these perisocial relationships are only made bcuz ofnthe internet. Before the web celebrities were praised for there talent and ehat they do. And they're personal life was their's This feeling to judge them is the entitlement of another persons life. Thats weird
In reality, fans are their clients. Not friends.
People make mistakes, I'm willing to forget and move on if they work on themselves and actually learn from those mistakes. If they don't and keep doing it... well, goodbye. The pop girls need to chill though, every week there's something new.
100% agreed