What's With Hollywood's Obsession With Overs€xualizing High Schoolers?
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Hey Rummates, today we're going to be talking about the portrayal of high schoolers in media and how often times they are overs€xualized for the sake of making the show "edgy". There's a lot to discuss so let's talk about it.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:12 When Did This Become A Thing?
2:15 Why Does This Happen?
4:31 Why It's Kinda Problematic
6:00 Alternatives To High School Shows
8:54 Final Thoughts
this video was edited by Zach from Replayed.co
#imuRgency #commentary #euphoria
The fact that euphoria is about teens but cannot be watched by teens is so weird to me.
Hit the nail on the head 😂
To be fair the rating doesn’t stop teens from watching it
They say it's not "supposed" to be watched by kids, but I see right through that. Because the casting and all of the promotion surrounding the show as well as teen fashion and makeup stores revolving around "euphoria" looks, that is exactly the audience shows like this are intended for. It's actually disturbing to me, because when I was a kid, Degrassi was controversial and it was actually real and taught me a lot, but I watched a few episodes of Euphoria and I was just like wow times have changed. It's conditioning.
FAX
Shoulda been set in college imo
I dropped "Riverdale" like a hot potato during Betty's infamous strip tease and pole dance in the pub. I don't care if the actress was in her twenties, the CHARACTER was a teenager, and it was all in front of a group of strangers, her boyfriend, boyfriend's dad, and own mother!
I think that's when I stopped wat hung riverdale too that was too much
Yeah that was the craziest thing I’ve ever seen
Disgusting… Thank goodness I do not watch Riverdale🤷🏾♂️
I watched the show (this was a long ass time ago so I might be wrong) but no one there wanted her to strip. I feel like people bring that up but there are so much better examples of this within the show and in other shows that people just don’t bring up.
I wished I dropped it that season but I dropped it the season afterward willing to give it another chance after season 2 (which I hated so much)
It's weird that they have high school shows and the characters barely be at school. 😂😂
IM SAYINGGG
Yea because their gonna do a show about high schoolers ….. doing school work 🧐
@@zymir5494 they could still incorporate into the show somehow, no one is saying we want to see them studying & doing work 24/7 but it’s like school has no actual affect on characters in these shows nowadays and that’s just not realistic. elite which is a show on netflix still included how school affects the characters in the show without making it all about school, like whether or not the kids are going to graduate and get into certain colleges is written into the show bc that’s what most high schoolers are worrying about. in shows like euphoria we literally barely see them in class and the only time we see them in school, is when they’re in the hallways talking about nothing school-related and the scenes are usually only 5 seconds. even one of the college characters in the show only had 5 seconds of his storyline discuss how college affected him. we’re just saying that not all teenagers are focused on sex, drugs, & partying.
@@zymir5494 Degrassi showed their characters doing school work. It was a balance between the drama and them actually being at school lol.
@@destinyn63 yes degrassi is such a good balance between the school and social lives of actual high schoolers. The only thing unrealistic about Degrassi is how well everyone gets along and how nobody really parties (bc I lived a Degrassi high school life but I definitely experienced a lot of stuff that happens in euphoria, I think there needs to be a show that’s an equal balance between Degrassi and Euphoria, that would be high school perfectly.
Every time I watch Euphoria, I feel like I was a boring teenager. Can’t related to anything in the show. 😂 I went to school, did my homework, study. That’s it. 🤣
Same and I do not watch Euphoria. I know about somethings on the show thanks to RUclips videos🤣💯
Same, outside of the lil bit of football I did, I ain't do a damn thing. XD
I mean… I joined Volleyball 🏐 team in sophomore year just to be cut in my junior year due to my GPA 🤷🏾♀️
Same, it was so unrealistic for me. Like no one in my school did any of that crazy stuff.
I feel the same tbh😂 I'm like damn what life yall was living
Characters in HS Dramas: SEX, VIOLENCE, SECRETS AND BETRAYAL
Irl high schoolers: Yo did anyone else do the science project last min or was it just me
Fr like we dont be just going around murdering ppl and sniffing flour and being snakes like I have school tmrw and I haven't done any of the three or four homework assignments that I have
Vampire diaries, Teen wolf, did that too. I liked that charmed was not set in high school they were characters in their 20s
Truly, like last I checked the only thing kids at my school are getting fucked by is honors and ap classes
The weird part for me as someone who came out of middle school a while ago euphoria was relatable for me in middle school and currently in high school
Alot of these shows would be less creepy if they took place in college or if the character were in their 20s. Degrassi is the only show that gets it right.
Finally someone gets it 🙌
Degressi created the assignment, why nobody is copying is egregious. They use actual children, and they were still able to deal with serious/dark topics without needing to hire adult actors to do sexual things.
yup!!
Degrassi did that right 😂
i think the problem is also with society as well because HBO gave us a show called “the s3x life of college girls” and it didn’t get the same hype as shows like Euphoria
That show, Sex Life of College Girls actually was critically acclaimed and renewed for a second season. Euphoria has been around a lot longer and has Zendaya and Jacob Elordi who were huge stars prior to the show.
YEPPP.
I like that show so far, and it helps that the characters are in college, as opposed to high school. I wish that more projects would depict college life more frequently, especially with the characters being legally adults.
@@demeliou3844 critically acclaimed by people whose job It is to watch/rate shows? Lol. Because I have not seen a single ad or promo 😭 or heard people talk about It (going to watch now tho!)
I had a great time watching that show. It's also very lighthearted, which is like. A refreshing departure from the gritty edgy teenage shows being discussed here, haha.
I think oversexuality is the problem. Sex education frames the teenagers in a very realistic and healthy way. The teen characters aren’t exploited in any way. Most teen shows do too much and don’t oversexualize them. That’s the one bad thing about euphoria others than that it’s great.
EXACTLYYYYyyy
Agreed!
I kind of feel like college settings would be more realistic for this. The characters’ parents are barely present. Do people in highschool really have this much freedom? And when do they do homework?🤭
Yeah unless the audience is supposed to assume that the characters don’t do any homework at all
because watching the characters do homework and having parents impede on the story would make the SHOW interesting…
@@hernandez4856 Actually, it would. Countries like South Korea, China, and Japan have characters who experience the stress of studying and exams while managing their social lives and that been doing pretty well. America just likes to oversexualize everything and the school is just a prop, lol
@@shestargirl8479 💯
@@shestargirl8479 Japan do be sexualizing high schoolers too tbh idk abt Korea n China though
At this point I’ll rejoice if a show about high school shows someone having absolutely no romantic or sexual experiences whatsoever :) some of us lived that life u know (and it’s okay)
This like some of just had normal relationship throughout high school without all the sexual stuff and drugs
precisely, some of us only stressed over exams and colleges
the older I get the more convinced I am that this is grooming bc these shows are meant to appeal to teens. I almost never see content created in mind for adults to be this sexual about minors.
The thing that we aren't really taught as a society is that everything we see enters our subconscious. Our subconscious mind affects our actions on the daily. It's why ads work better when we've skipped them. We buy things without remembering where we saw them. For me, I only realized the affect Pretty Little Liars had on me when I turned 23. I was 14 and thinking I was in love with my 25+ year old teacher.
@@MENACE-km6bd yeah pll rlly messed up a lot of us. I rmbr being into ezr*a in the early seasons bc he "didn't know" when they initially hooked up but even if that had been true, he was still pursuing her after he found out. it's so 🤮🤮
Considering all the allegations with the people in Hollywood that are constantly coming out, that seems highly likely.
Wife is watching gunny and Georgia and I literally came by this video ranting about this exact issue! As a dad of a 3 year old i find it very gross its basically watching teen doing it way too intimately which is not fucking ok
Totally agree with you. On one hand, yes, many people discover their sexuality in high school. So dealing with that topic in general is not the problem, I think. The problem is how glamorized it is. It is always supposed to be hot, everything works, everyone knows everything. That's not how your first experiences are at all! It is awkward, you have so many questions, it is embarassing... That's why I like the way sex education portrays that topic.
And I also agree with you that there should be more shows set in college (even though I don't understand how college in america works at all haha), there are so many interesting things about it! For me, the sex I had in high school was in retrospect pretty shitty, only in university it actually started to get good lol
Glad all the sex became good could you list your top 20 in bed?
Hollywood’s obsession is not only gross but I feel like when you allow literal kids to see their fellow (portrayed) kids do the things that are being done on euphoria and Gossip Girl…. They kind of imitate in a way. from behaviors and way of dressing/talking. And even dealing with situations that maybe be similar in their lives that they see on TV. Not to be dramatic but …. It’s slightly dangerous to allow this type of stuff to be seen by young kids. They just absorb they don’t know better. But I love your commentary per usual!!! ❤️💜
I agree. I’m currently in high school and I’ve seen several people look at shows like euphoria and gossip girl and apply them to their own personality traits, luckily not to the extent that the shows themselves go to but definitely in the sense of adopting how certain characters talk or their approach to high school as a whole. The over-sexualization of high schoolers honestly doesn’t feel like an “accurate representation of the high school experience” like some shows (ex: euphoria) claim to be, it feels like a bunch of adults looked at social media and decided that’s what modern teens do
Honestly, I'm the "cool 30 something auntie" so my teen cousins and nieces/nephews talk to me about everything. Even they said Euphoria is unrealistic. They're not a bunch of nymphos popping pills and swapping nudes. They do homework, go to the mall, eat food, talk, and do normal things. They even said no one really throws parties like that and parents aren't "OK, I support any and everything you do". I spaced the age these characters are. I agree, college would've been better.
I feel like another problem is that real life is also starting to reflect it, I have seen so many middle schoolers and younger teens looking older than me wearing tons of makeup and mature clothing. like yes give them some freedom of expression but also some of this stuff leads to serious image issues like EDs, unhealthy and dangerous sexual situations and an overall dislike for their natural selves and identity issues
My kid isn't getting full freedom of expression if her freedom of expression results in her looking 20 at 14 which is what happens sometimes. Cause girls reshape their whole face using makeup contouring. This is something I noticed a lot when I lived in the south west girls at the mall who you felt were young acting way too grown.
And that's cuz of the media unfortunately. The internet is fucked up in general smh
It creeps me out that Drake is a producer on Euphoria with his history of having a weird relationship with an underage girl.
You can talk about sex and sexuality, without aggressively showing it like a soft core porn. KennieJD did a great video on this. It seems like this more mature version in some ways just as inaccurate. Romanticising relationships and trauma that really isnt a good look
they’re not romanticizing anything. they show you the real shit that goes on…
@@hernandez4856 I don’t think you need to see sex. To know sex happens
@@bro-ss2eu well it happens 🤷♂️ i’m not sure what to say because it literally does. it wouldn’t make sense if they took it out for a realistic portrayal +i it’s a rated r show. you knew what you were getting into when you first started the show.
@@hernandez4856 Yeah but sometimes shows like Euphoria goes over the top just for shock value its okay to be nude on the LEGAL SETTING gosh most of us know what happen in sex, it just too much, this isn't pern.
The over-sexualization of teenage characters is something I will never get tired of discussing
Aside from all the perverts in Hollywood I think high school is just a convenient setting for a show. A lot of it can be blamed on lazy writing.
All the characters see each other every day, many might not have a job yet, it will have people from many walks of life whereas a college setting will have kids that a) actually got into college and b) could afford college
I can tell you that a majority of people who attended high school were not experiencing these major things, maybe some people were, but this was not the rule but the exception. Hollywood's over-saturated with high school dramas that tackle heavy handed subject matter, which is fine, but is it too much to ask for a fun slice-of-life saccharine disney-version of high school dramas? There needs to be a balance and the message being pushed to impressionable kids is that everybody's doing sex, drugs and all that stuff when that's not necessarily true half of the time.
I really wish more studios would make drama shows that tackle the heavy subject matter in college or post-grad life, because it works so well there, but this ain't it. It also doesn't help that the characters are portrayed by adults who are meant to be minors are seen partaking in adult activities which has always given me a weird feeling. Seeing minor characters on-screen doing stuff like that just screams sExUaLiZaTiOn for me. Again, why not tackle these heavy handed issues in a college/post-grad setting? Because it's the trend to have high schoolers go through this stuff. Another problem I have is that there's no balance to the content, meaning that either the drama is super super dark with no sprinkles of hope or happiness at all, that extreme isn't good. Again, people have their own preferences but honestly, can we just get more shows that are less edgy and dark but more optimistic?
This is an interesting commentary vid and I hope you do more of these because it allows for people to have an open discussion on these issues.
Thank you for this comment Davina. I agree with you and I said the same thing in my video back when I criticized Netflix for overly sexualizing “teenagers”💯
But it's important to remember you went to high school with a lot of different people who probably experienced things they didn't tell you about.
Yeah I agree I'm ready for that fluffy stuff again
you’d be surprised. the high school i go to all kinds of shit happens, drug, parties, drug parties, etc.
people who usually say this had a boring high school experience 😂
I think a big problem is they hire adult actors in their 20s, sometimes even in their 30s, not only just due to working hours but so they can do those scenes. If they hired actual teenagers closer to the age of the characters they could still address edgy subjects like sexuality etc without showing anything graphic considering how young the characters are meant to be.
Is not the actors...imagine doing what euphoria does but with teenagers...
Euphoria producers use the actors age as an excuse to write it's teenage characters into questionable situations that wouldn't fly if they had teenage actors.
I think thats why I love the s3x education (at least the first season) because while the show discusses these more adult topics it doesn't feel exploitative and the kids arent made to be overly "seggsy".
Why only the first season? (I haven't watched the show yet)
@@squidwardsthirdtentacle1198 Nothing to do with sexual exploitation. Mostly because of the will they/wont they getting tiring and some of the characters becoming very dislikable.
@@alyssalucero6850 ah okay, some of my friends have recommended it and I wanted to know whether it was anything like euphoria. I think I'll check it out now
This might be an unpopular opinion but when Max got back into the throuple in the gg reboot I wanted to punch a wall because that relationship is either purely for sexual fantasy/voyeurism or was just written so poorly that it has no real substance
THANK YOU!!
To me is soooo unrealistic considering they're all like 17. Like they all be having s*x and poly relationships like they've been living for 40 years lmao. I know there are teens who are more mature than others but gurl ... come on now how mature can a 17 y/o be???
I WAS SO MAD 😭😭 I was just screaming max baby these people don't love you!! This relationship cannot properly function because no matter what they say, they don't consider his feelings or his experiences. They don't even treat him right as a friend so how will they treat you right in a relationship????
@@EmilyDickmesome I know a young couple that was into polyamory in high school and there was so much drama and jealousy and it was MESSY AF. Not smooth at all and they ended up breaking up and not even speaking to each other at all after
@@kaiaswrld Ikr? I mean maybe in the future eps there will be more drama and messy situations with the 3 of them who knows.
I luv ur commentary vids Imrguency and also I am loving this vid so far and again congratulations on getting picked for the RUclipsr black creators campaign and also I agree Hollywood is very obsessed w highschoolers especially w On my Block, All American, and Outer Banks
Thank you so much Jessi :))
EXACTLY‼️All of those three shows I do not like nor watch because of their depiction of teenagers. Same thing with Sex Education, Elite, and others🙄😬
@@JulianSteve yah exaactly with you and yah also i agree that with sex education and elite and other as well
My sister was reluctant to watch Euphoria when it first came out even though me and my other siblings loved it.
I didn’t get her reasoning about it being weird watching a show about high-schoolers with so much sexual content.
To me, this was a narrow minded and shallow take.
Over the past almost 3 years now my mindset has changed. I still appreciate the show but they definitely should’ve made them college students.
Certain scenes are needlessly extra like with the drawn out dick/ass shots…
Idk love the show from a writing/narrative stand point but I don’t blame anyone over high school age for not liking it.
Switched at birth is a high school AND college show and one of the things I️ appreciated was that the two main characters DO face consequences for their actions and have more realistic motives for bad behavior
I was thinking about this last night. They should have made them at least early college age. Then they would still be age of consent and adults
I always get grossed out and kinda pervy when I see these heavy sex scenes with "high school" students. I'm like geez, is this really necessary?
Yes to everything but as someone like me who is 19 and a ✨Virgin ✨ who went through HS with Zero Romantic relationships and never had sex nor had ever had anyone have a crush on them the over sexual scenes lose me .. like yeah there hot but I didnt do that in HS lmfaoo
I think it’s definitely supposed to be a form of entertainment/wish fulfillment for teenagers in high school. When I was 14, Riverdale was my first teen drama. A few years prior, a lot of media for tweens very much, if they weren’t about kids their age, it was about kids in high school with a very sanitized gaze but still very wish fulfillment like. It was all about the nerdy girl and the popular guy and popularity contests and first dates, kisses, and tame parties with no alcohol. However, by the time you’re actually in high school, you’re very disillusioned by that and you also may find it boring because high school is no longer this Amazing Exciting Anomoly, you’re actually in it. So teen entertainment needed to be “spiced up”
So they doubled down on the wish fulfillment. They cast beautiful actors already in their 20s and past “Awkward teen phases” with perfect hair and makeup, beautiful aesthetic expensive clothes, and gave them incredibly interesting wild lives that shifts from genre to genre Riverdale and Pretty Little Liars were mystery genre so they went on to solve mysteries while Euphoria is more of a “drama” drama if that makes sense. These teenagers go to amazing parties with alcohol and maybe drugs, fall in perfect love that cause ship wars, have a lot of sex that is completely sexy and devoid of any awkwardness (added with expensive lingerie most teens can’t buy) and there’s no talk of the stressful thing that encapsulates most teenagers lives: school or homework or tests outside of the setting. It created a lot of insecurities within me going through high school, I thought that I was ugly and boring.
It definitely is super suspicious for adults to make such curated media for teenagers that almost seems to sell things like sex or drugs or to look at their teenaged characters through a hypersexualized gaze. It’s strange how this is the norm.
i feel like these over the top teen shows get so much attention because of the way the topics in them are glamorized and considered "cool" compared to how actual teenagers live. when you're a teenager (and in college too tbh) there's this peer pressure that if your life isn't wild you're missing out. let's be honest, the only reason these studios get away with it is because the actors have all gone through puberty and look x10 more attractive in these situations than a literal child ever would. just imagine an actual 15-year old dressed to go to euphoria high and it loses some of the appeal. most high schoolers just... don't look like that because they aren't meant to be s*xualized in the first place. (not to mention that teen s*x is meant to be awkward and not professionally choreographed)
In my opinion writing story about teens doing very adulthood things has been since Shakespeare and maybe even before him. I also have to point out that teenager and adolescence as a consepts are very new terms. I think because of that shows glorifies teenage experience.
i really like this take !
@@imuRgency thank you so much
“Very new” is stretching it
@@bubbles4897 no I think it's pretty accurate. The concept of a teenager only came about when children didn't have to work from the age of 12 or so. Think work houses in late Victorian England. Once those were phased out, and other human rights and child laws were introduced, as well as school becoming mandatory, children were given time to experience their adolescent years. "Teenagehood", in the way we think of it, only really came about approx. 100 years ago
Kennie J.D. discussed this topic at length in her Euphoria video. I agree with both yours and her sentiments; shows, specifically ones like Euphoria, that tackle heavy subject matter and feature a lot of nudity (of supposed minors) can have a lot of extremely problematic undertones. The decision to set these shows in high school is strategic [and fully intentional].
Like you mentioned, why not age the characters up and put them in a more “adult-like” setting, e.g. college? Then the viewers aren’t met with feelings of discomfort when watching aforementioned “minors” engaging in explicit content on screen. There’s no reason, as much as I enjoy the show, that there should be as much nudity as there is in Euphoria.
You can have the understanding that characters are about to engage in sex without showing nudity; the audience isn’t stupid! Anyway, I recommend Good Trouble on Freeform/Hulu. It’s set a bit after college and despite the occasional drama (which is expected), the way they deal with real world topics, sexuality and adult themes is *chef’s kiss*
And this is why I praise Julie and the phantoms so much! That’s how teen shows should be
Exactly!! Lighthearted while still tackling teen issues. But since it had no sexual shock factor it wasn’t renewed😒
@@aniciastewart2560 it’s so annoyinggg
i thought i was the only that that felt this way too, i feel weird watching these shows when it takes place in high school. they should really start having more tv shows and movies where the setting is in college or sum
having it set in college wouldn’t have the same impact. especially in regards to euphoria, sex aside. Rue overdoesed in her home and was found by her sister. If this were to happen in a college setting not only is rue technically an adult the entire sequence would’ve turned out differently. As a whole i feel like a lot of people are kinda jaded but the fact that high schoolers are highly sexual beings so it makes sense. Hormones are heavy and so is rebellion. I’m not saying i agree with all of the visual portrayals but the narratives make alot of sense.
@@gabriellemcintosh9390 College is like that too, driven by hormones
Imagine what Hbo gonna do to degrassi when it comes back next year. Mind you degrassi was never shy on the topic of sex but they never did nudity in the show either. So now I'm curious in the direction its gonna go since its gonna be on hbo.
“Pretty much everyone’s been in high school, it doesn’t make anyone feel left out”
* sighs in homeschooled *
so sorry bestie
me too man me too 😔
Honestly, if they casted teenagers as teenagers like they used to we wouldn’t have this problem. Hollywood would be forced to go through the barrier of consent when wanting to have over sexualized scenes like they’re doing. And it weird! I wish there were more college shows, they always skip that period of relatable life.
most people actually start their sex life at 18. many have their first kiss in their 20s. so they couldve just centered the show around college/work and it would still be valid, considering most of them dont even have present parents anyways.
Not you saying Zoey 101 when thinking of 90s shows… 💀
agreed! and i think another show that did it great was the original gossip girl, seasons 3-6 were set in college and it barely even made a difference, just made it less weird.
Watching western content based in HS really freaks me out cause Eastern dramas almost never sexualises kids!? Even when they are portrayed by adult actors. This is the reason I'm not watching season 2 of Euphoria. I loved season 1 but it's too much for me. I like Sex Ed too. It portrays sex in realistic way imo and not glamorized (tho it has some problems too).
I have seen alot of differing reasons as to why the teen drama genre is like this and i like that you so address some of those reasons (being more relatable, easy drama for narrative fodder, more easy to rank in profits) And I do agree that there definitely is pedophilic over & undertones present. One reason as why college isn't a super common setting is that college has become more of a thing that people of more privileged backgrounds experience therefore not everyone can relate because alot more people are opting not to go to college at all (plus what you said as it not being the same as a high school set story). Although I do agree that not every story has to be relatable to everyone because we as human beings all have different experiences with our circumstances and environments affecting us in differing ways
Also, portraying teen characters like this get very old, very fast. As someone in high school, I don't have the same freedom as Ginny and Georgia characters, or euphoria characters. I can't explore myself in the same way that they do, or I'd get in serious trouble (that's another thing, what happened to consequences of your actions???) Portraying teen characters in this way and only this way takes up space, where other teen shows could talk about topics besides sex, substance use, etc. Yes, some teens are sexually active, but not all of us are. Where are our teen shows? What about topics like existentialism, or discrimination? Those are things that I've had to deal with as a teen, but I don't see any teen shows that portray that. There are so many different high school experiences, and portraying only one version is very limiting. there's only so much you can do when you portray teenagers the way they are portrayed in the media. In the future, I wish to see less oversexualization of teen shows, and more diverse portrayals of teenagers.
Not yall acting like these shows only show sex and nothing less. Did you completely miss the part where Euphoria deals with loss, death, feeling like an outsider, mental health and to some extent religious beliefs ? Maybe the issue is that YOU over-focus on the sexual aspect.
True, they could've touch other things that not yet explore in media that much, its okay to touch the usual teen problems like substance abuse but it only focus on that. Geezz there's more problems out there than meet the eye like teens struggle in financial aspect.
Honestly, I agree with everything. I also think that sexualizing too much also makes teenagers who see these series or movies be willing to engage in sexual activities sooner, maybe even without knowing what they are getting into. The same could also be said with drugs and tobacco, many series for the young audience have these themes and as you said in the video they do it to shock. Which makes many teenagers get involved with drugs (that’s why movies like Beautiful Boy are so important) and tobacco at an early age just to be able to belong because of these characteristics, as they are romanticized in fiction nowadays.
Amazing vídeo 💕
I literally hate the argument of "well it happens/is accurate to real life" Because that means nothing. They could VERY easily just imply they slept together if necessary..? we don't actually have to see it. The excessive adult content and topics in these teen shows literally are so weird because most of your said audience or who you are portraying...can't even watch the show lol. So are you making Tv shows which center teenagers that are discussing or experiencing mature content...for adults??? It's completely illogical
I totally agree, however euphoria is more of a show about teens than for teenagers. Which makes the overs€xualization much more creepy. On top of that the show has other dark themes that gives me the impression that this show is for 17 and older.
The best solution would be for Hollywood to create more shows or movies about college that is allowed to be dark and Highschools story’s that are similar like victorious and the old Disney shows that are still loved to this day, so that the 13 year olds don’t feel pressured to grow up so fast.
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I feel like Sex Education is the only high school drama I’ve seen that’s gotten it right. Most of these teen dramas that are hyper sexualised aren’t even for teens who are the same age as the characters but the younger teens will still watch it. Like Riverdale for example, at 16 I definitely had no idea how sex is supposed to be but shows make it seems like it’s perfect the first time. I guess all I have to say is why doesn’t Hollywood make the characters Seniors or Freshmen?
I totally agree with you and glad someone is talking about this. In my opinion I feel like it’s more realistic to dive into those heavier topics in college (in a more graphic way?), because like you said you have access to so much more in college, more freedom, questions about who you are for really wild shit to go down. idk for many people but, I feel like I changed the most and questioned more things, learned about the world in college vs high school. It’s interesting what you say about relatability because 90% of the time I feel like I don’t relate to any high school serious dramas. Personally I think Degrassi did it well, especially the fact that they used people who actually LOOKED like high school students (at least from what I remember) and i think that’s part of the problem…over sexualizing the teenage experience vs being true to depicting children who are learning about their sexuality, identity, relationships, the world, etc. 🤷🏽♀️
i just started watching the sex lives of college girls, its really good i actually appreciate showing the nuances. i didnt go to college like everyone else like i didnt start yet but watching the show it does show the bad and good especially with sexuality and discrimation and just kind of getting your hopes down because of how much things arent what they seem. i like it.
wow, it actually surprised me when you said you haven't hit 100k yet. i'm fairly new, found you about a month or two ago, and I really expected you to have over 200k because of the high quality content you make!
How do you feel about Grownish? They have a lot of topics dealing with college! Especially with substances and they aren’t over sexualized. I love the way you brought up the college experience.
im 13 and ive been watching mature & sexual shows like euphoria since i was 10-11. i hate the fact that the media and internet made me grow up so fast. even though i know crazy stories about sex, drugs and alcohol arent going to happen in my real life (to the extent that it shows in euphoria, sex education, etc), it still makes me feel ugly, alone, and boring. i feel like im missing out when in reality, school is nothing like it is in the tv shows and movies. i know those shows are bad for me but i cant stop watching. it sucks
I like to think that in Elite, all of the students are in college rather than in highschool because most of the actors are in their 20s and some in their 30s.
Also i think the only "highschool drama" like this that was more beliavable was Skins: the actors really looked their age and although it was pretty rough imo it showed not only that rough part but also the parents and how the "develop". (also sorry for the grammar mistakes)
dude you’ve blown up so much 👏🏼 i’m glad i’ve stuck around so long!
I found you here after finding and watching your breakdown of Euphoria Ep7 where I left a very complimentary comment. And here, as I did there, I find that you are not only a fan of TV and other entertainment, but also a highly intelligent and insightful individual all around. And while, like you, I am no prude, in fact, I lean more in the opposite direction when it comes to entertainment and my personal life, I too find it disturbing that TV shows like Euphoria which are so centered on sex, drugs, emotional and physical abuse, and other dark issues, are based in High School settings. And even being from an entirely different generation than yourself, and although I had an extreme interest in sex from too early an age, I agree that it IS sad that high school life depicted on screen during the past decade or more has become so openly and exaggeratedly filled with not only the topic of sex and drugs, but with visual depictions of it.
At least back in the day, if sex was an integral part of a story, and if it was actually even IN a scene, it was darkly lit, carefully choreographed and edited, and so short a scene that it barely titillated even the horniest of viewers. And it was NEVER with high-school age characters. And while you are correct in realizing that nowadays shows like Euphoria are produced because they make boatloads of money, I believe you are wrong to say that this trend won't change. Because it will. It will increase. Since TV and film makers produce whatever is profitable, as every other business does, they will only continue to make more of the same, and even make them more extreme.
Anyway, I appreciate your intelligent take on this topic, and thank you for posting this video. As the Brits say, "Good on you."
Relieved that this is finally an open discussion! I completely agree that there is a fine line between realistic story telling and over-exposing to the point of sexualizing minors. If it’s actually for a story line, and a compelling one at that, then there is no real need to immoderately show versus just implying. The audience should be mature enough to understand & infer, otherwise why would they be watching in the first place?
Zoey 101 and Victorious weren’t 90s 😅 but you’re right that the rise of this trend was super prevalent in 90s teen dramas! Dawsons Creek, My So Called Life and Beverly Hills 90210
All I know is degrassi was the best depiction of high school and im not talk about the one on Netflix im talking about when it used to be on tv.
THIS IS GOOD SHIT! I’m here for the commentary. Please keep making these 🥳🤎
I agree with you really. I can’t watch euphoria cuz it’s TOO EXPLICIT. Like I don’t understand…we don’t need to see everything on tv. The normalization of it is insane
That's why I started liking korean dramas ..which emphasis over emotional intimacy , human personality and character d
first before any physical intimacy ....
I love your voice sm, it’s lowkey soothing
Congrats for the achivement king. Love ur new profile picture
A great show that spans highschool to college is Normal People. It's about two Irish kids growing up. Great writing and acting.
97% of high school students in america dont deal with half these things. I had sex TWICE in hs and it was basic and vanilla not pornographic and professional, and never did any hard drugs. I drank at parties and occasionally smoked weed. I didnt know anyone who was addicted to like heroin and like sexually assaulting people. All that shit happened in college. Obviously some people probably had different hs experiences than me. But I dont really know anyone whos hs was like east highland. Also the whole social hierarchy thing is so cliche. Everyone has their own group but the whole king of the school and his underlings shit is nonsense lmao
I think its all a game of target audience. Im 17, just out of high school, and euphoria is actually scarily close to my high school experience. Every character has something that has either happened to me or to people im close to. I relate immensely to that show. Its a show made for high schoolers. I think its content can be largely educational for younger viewers, (13 or 14yo,) but any 17 year old who has gone through the things they have and can therefore relate to the show, those things wouldve happened euphoria or not. As far as younger audiences go, I think theres an argument to be made that teaching sexual content properly just encourages safer sex from teenagers, and even if more frequent, its still safer than occasional uneducated sex. For older people, though, this is just entertainment. Any show made with people in their thirties in mind that sexualizes teenagers is made because its popular for people in their thirties to sexualize teenagers. When the target audience is for older teens, i dont see a problem with it.
yes! I'm in my final year of high school and I think that shows like Sex Education can be really helpful
TO WHAT KINDA HIGHSCHOOLS DO YALL GO TO?? 💀💀 Euphoria ain't relatable at all in my experience but it's fun nonetheless watching teens just dressed like potato bags studying would be kinda boring I guess
I agree, however, it recently came out that two girls (one dead and one injured) just attempted to “be like euphoria” and experiment with drugs. I’m almost 100% sure it is reaching very highly influenced people, and it is dangerous as hell. Of course, this is a very unlikely occurrence but it is possible. Sexualization of teenagers in the media can be accurately represented, but it shouldn’t be promoted to the extent euphoria is
If you relate close to that show, that’s supposed to be a bad thing...
@@DigitalRag3X It's not a bad thing. People have different experiences, some grow up sheltered, some get more wild in their youngers years. You're being judgemental.
I feel like young royals was done write and I love the writers!! It has some mature stuff in their but not all the time and it has a sweet and deeper meaning like all these Netflix teen shows exist for them to make money but with young royals yes it made the, a lot of money but it actually made me feel something and portray stuff RIGHT. But I digress, can’t wait for season 2 WOOOOOO💕💕🔥
i grew up on Skins (UK) so all these shows weren't a surprise to me and explains why i love Euphoria so much. It's just the nostalgia factor for me. i can't afford college and i can relate to some of the situations that happen in a lot of these high school shows because it happened during my high school experience as well. sometimes most of your most defining/traumatic/intense coming of age moments happen in high school so it's just entertaining to see yourself in certain characters. obviously we know how creepy hollywood can be so i can see how it can be problematic. i still can't believe you didn't mention Skins once though, it's such a good Teen Drama and it was so popular in the 2000's and later on tumblr lol
This season of euphoria is like" All style no substance" , some of the storylines from season 1 got sidelined and they are sticking to these teen show tropes like love triangles, drugs, sex etc and the nudity in this season doesn't add much to the story either.
Me being 31 watching this and hearing Rumi list Zoey 101 and Degrassi Next Gen as 90's teen shows...Lol, I love your channel but hun! Completely agree with the oversexualization issue, they've been doing this for the last few decades but the past five years are on another level. I think the great KennieJD said it best - in reference to Euphoria, "I don't need to see a teenager nude in the shower to know they're probably nude while showering"
A former high school teacher of mine was preying on former students after they graduated (how long after they graduated varied on students). He was maybe at least ten years older then most his students. He was also quite attractive and charismatic so many students and staff liked him.
Early 2020 before pandemic he reached out to me via social media and we reconnected. Everything seemed fine and cool….. at first….. even when he began to tell me “stories “ and “secrets” about my former classmates and other teachers. Yes now I’m aware that back then i should have considered that a red flag. Eventually he seemed to flirt with me. I hate to admit this but I did like it. He claimed to be “straight “ (and was/ probably still is in a long engagement with a woman)…….. that turned out not to be true. The flirting then turned into “specific types of conversations”. Nothing went beyond texting and phone calls (at least from my end all I did was talk and text). I began to feel guilty and actually tried pulling away and told him quote “maybe we shouldnt talk to each other like this anymore”……. He then started hooking up with other guys to make me jealous and would keep doing that every time I tried to pull away from him (oh and his fiancé is a woman)… Then when I wouldn’t put out for him (even when sometimes I really wanted to but couldn’t) he would shame me, gaslight me and treat me bad like I’m the bad guy. Later on I found out he did the same thing (or worst like actually hooking up) with multiple former classmates of mine.
When I saw that whole storyline with Rafa and Max on Gossip girl I felt sick and disgusted because my former teacher was a lot like Rafa (at least I didn’t go as far as Max did….. no where near that) and hated Rafa and would argue with people that defended the “relationship”. Not to mention how growing up that stuff was so normalized. I cut all ties with my former teacher but the hurt and hating myself is still there (wasn’t that long ago).
Seriously, I had several teachers at my highschool that were in relationships or even married to (MUCH yoinger) ex-students. And one of my teachers preyed on a female classmate, gave her gifts and cringy messages. In hinsight, all of this was SO INAPPROPIATE.
@@rocktheroadtowembley OMG and the worst part is that back then I would bet that you and a majority of people (probably me as well if I was there) might have not thought that behavior was suspect at the time and thought he was just being nice because of how normalized that behavior was. Sadly some things would take being adult to notice but when you’re a kid whose vulnerable for whatever reason (me and my classmates were all vulnerable because this was a specific kind of school) wouldn’t think too much of it and had no idea of certain things ……. Until it’s too late.
@@rocktheroadtowembley I even wrote a letter and screenshot text messages (some specific convos between me and him and him admitting to having sex with other guys in detail and former students confirming the worst) for his fiancé but am not so sure if I should send it…… I really want to but I don’t know all the facts (like she could be aware of the whole thing but just not doing anything; also he’s not as discreet as he thinks) also I want to not be so emotionally charged if and when I send this amo.
They're bringing back Degrassi!!!! On HBO!!...oh wait...HBO😬🔞
lol For who! The kids? 😳
@@MENACE-km6bd they're bringing it back with a whole new class, but some previous students will make cameos like Zoe. Im excited. They're shooting it this summer and releasing next yr.
Apparently it’s under the family brand though so hopefully it will have the same vibe
@@LettiePaige Yh me too. (THEY BETTER KEEP THE FREAKING THEME SONG!) Maybe more cursing since its HBO, but nothing crazy
what I am always wondering in these high schools shows is when do they have time to study and do extra curriculums to get into college and where are their parents?
I hear you about sexualizing high school kids on these shows. I think at the very least Euphoria uses actors who are in their 20's.
If you have the stomach for it, I'm sure you've heard of an early 90's movie called "Kids." Not only did this cult classic not age well, the actors are actual kids. Ranging from 10-18. It's pretty disturbing.
I remember watching that at 12 thinking it was for kids 🙁 there’s a RUclips video about the negative impact the production of the movie has on one of the actors and it’s complicated nature
@@seeker995 I believe it! Harsh content like that has to have an impact for sure.
Didn't a couple of them pass away after :((
I love derry girls it is a more recent show as well but it isn’t really that mature. Even though they definitely could have gone a darker direction especially with the time period it is set in. It is a comedy though (and irish)
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I feel like once Heathers took off shows like Riverdale, Euphoria, and even Pretty Little Liars in some moments have increased the amount of scenes in sex.
We need more college shows period. I feel like there’s barely any shows that are set in college. It’s always school or their senior year of high school.
It’s like I have to choose between watching these people in high school who I don’t relate to or watching other shows where they’re like married and have a mortgage and have kids and I can’t relate to those shows anyways. I want the in between
POINTS were MADE!!!! great job!! All American Homecoming is coming on Feb 21, 2022.. you gonna watch it?
I wish there were more coming of age college shows/movies!
I've been waiting for this one! Turn it up!
I've just realized that there is a real shortage of TV/film about people in their 20s. The most popular shows are either about teenagers (Euphoria), or middle aged people (Succession). Just some examples, I know there's more.
my first year of uni deserved its own show omfg
I was here before 100k and I'm gonna be proud of it boo.
Degrassi is the rare example that got it right. Casting ages for the ages they were portraying. It did "go there", but it was far more realistic to the average suburban teen and way less sexualized. However, I'm nervous what the HBO reboot of Degrassi is gonna bring
I think SKAM too also got it right as well 🤔
imo the portrayal of college would/could be as relatable as the portrayal of high school because i think for the majority of high school students, high school itself was not remarkable, but the things that coincidentally happened during that time period were, and could just as easily happen after characters are 18. and for college not being accessible, some characters could just not attend that college but are tied to the characters who do, whether they work together, are related, share a hobby, etc. like fez and his household don't really have connection to the high school (maybe he used to attend but its not a major plot point) but they are still integral characters, so by having more characters who arent in the school setting, it could still be largely relatable
can’t wait to see your episode 4 reaction of euphoria on yt and tiktok lol!
Great view I do agree the overkill of sexualized teens is alot. I would disagree with saying that having shows in high school instead of college. High school shows gives a voice and story to teens. Not everyone goes to college or can afford to go. Also shows like Degressi started in the 80s and they talk about heavy tops, the movie Breakfast club too talk about suicide and more.
I think a show just needs a setting. School or work are usually the settings. The story we usually get is told about the people are the outcasts or nerds. When they show the popular or bad kids it’s brief. To me shows like Euphoria are about that “wrong crowd” that gets avoided. If we can allow teen mom to exist (real minors) then I can see a show like euphoria. But I do believe the amount of nudity does take away certain scenes. Sometimes it feels more like a quota has to be met than authentic nudity. College (yes I went) has a different dynamic than high school. You don’t go with all your childhood friends, you don’t live under your parents roof, it’s just different. I write screenplays but I usually write to adults because I know what it’s like to be a teen but I don’t know shit about teens in this day and age.
It’s the reason I don’t think I can watch the GG reboot...like, I just feel too old and having the adults in it be complicit 🤢
It’s weird tho, to be honest, Euphoria is the closest thing to my “teenage experience”, some stuff over exaggerated, some stuff not😕
I think it’s a way to portray characters making dumb decisions, you know things that “adults” would never...it’s always been around tho, the original Beverly Hills 90210 was pretty risky back in the day. But yes, I would love more college aged focused drama-loved the student stories in HTGAWM, even if I did yell angrily at the tv more than once 🤣
Keep up the good work, really am enjoying these videos
even though you showed a lot of clips from it, i think that degrassi is one of the few teen shows that avoids the trap of oversexualizing their characters. mainly because every iteration of the show casts age appropriately so it would be super creepy to have their mainly underaged cast in super sexual situations, but even outside of that degrassi has always been super tasteful when it comes to sex and all that, and its a teen drama that is actually meant for teens and tweens to watch which i cant say for shows like euphoria or 13 reasons why, which feel like teen shows aimed at adults rather than kids. this video made some amazing points !
I did my English final on this topic and when I was researching I saw an article saying Gossip Girl (2007) essentially walked for all these shows that overs3xualize teens and portray very mature plots to RUNNNNN with it
Fresh Meat is a good example of a (British) college show. I remember it came out when I was a fresher in uni, so very relatable.
idk about everyone else, but my high school experience definitely was not a disney show, there was sex, drugs, drinking etc. but for most people it was nothing like how euphoria portrays it idk there’s like gotta be a middle ground or something
Yeah Euphoria seems really to over exaggerate even though its so unnecessary, gosh they need to chill sometimes. I think teen shows nowadays are just going for shock values that are obviously force on the plot itself. I like it natural and non repetitive.
I never understood high school shows until I got to colalge and suddently the stuff became more relevant with mroe freedom.
Also everyone’s responsible for what they choose to watch but can we talk about how much of an influence these shows have on some people especially teenagers and young adults who are watching this 😭 I feel like I’ve been seeing a lot of people feel bad because they felt their teenagehood was or IS “boring”, they aren’t sexually actively or partying or doing any substances and watching this so they feel bad as a teen or freshly young adult looking back. Again some do relate, so I understand the representation of these events and issues but as EVERYONES saying, we don’t need to see every little thing tbh the show could use a lot of “fade to black” cuts 💀 and it wouldn’t hurt to have a coming of age show that includes the other things different teens like to do ie interests besides s€x and drugs?? 😭 it exists...you can still have a drama without including that stuff so heavily. I know it’s important for people to feel more comfortable to talk about s€x (esp healthy convo’s) and drugs if that’s what they’ve been through and there are teens who have! But this is a show ab high schoolers, we don’t need to see a full fledge scene of soft core. If you’re unable to make a teen or college even (though with college it’s at least better because they’re adults! But again there’s way more to college than that and I think that still puts everyone in a box), drama without making everything a s€x scene I don’t think you need to air your show 😬 and it wouldn’t hurt to throw a healthy relationship into the show to show esp young impressionable viewers that not everything has to end up a certain way.
I don’t know if this is different in usa, but i mexico where I’m from, highschool was definitely the time where we all tried alcohol, drugs and sex for the first time. It was also where we would wear the sluttiest clothes and try to act all grown up. After high school ends it just all calms down and your life becomes a bit more balanced between parties and the serious stuff.
Same. American is hella oversensitive when it comes to this stuff