This was too much fanfiction for me, I'm not doing anything like this again for a while. And sorry for the delay on this video, I was pretty sick, which you can still hear a little in my voice.
In the Blue Ring we have the minutemen, in the grey ring we have brotherhood of steel, in the tan ring we have the NCR, in the blue and gold we have the vault tec. Ding ding ding. Fight.
If Fallout is to have a 'final end' I can only hope that it goes out in a blaze of (atomic) glory, unlike my other favourite long-lived and lore heavy franchise, CnC.
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Imagine BOS and Enclave being forced to team up due to the numbers of the enemy. That would be one interesting outcome. Sworn enemies coming together to fight a foe neither could take down on their own.
I’d have always thought it would end in Texas, it’s the most independent state, it has a huge population, lots of guns, lots of resources, a state pride that often trumps national pride, lots of military bases, Houston space center (enclave), and it’s own power grid. I could imagine the Texas rangers pushing back the overly aggressive NCR rangers.
@@emmyvidrine5840 yeah but in fallout lore it a huge base of opireation so yeah it. It the dumpster fire it a fucking power house of supplies. An enclave government could exist there and still be around
Fallout already did end. It's final lines were: "It's said war - war never changes. Men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end."
New games are still coming out but you may be right fallout new Vegas may be the last game set in the distant future newer games might choose the 76 route and go for earlier time lines
@@definitelyaperson6334 the statement is more to say that any newer games made by bethesda or obsidian aren’t needed. A story that began with the statement ‘war never changes’ is concluded right here. This was the last hurrah of the original devs on top of this. We’ll never see this many of them working together on fallout again as they’ve all gone their separate ways.
@@theylivewesleep.5139 I'd have to disagree, Fallout is not about a single storyline like most series. Its the collective tales about life in the wastelands, its struggles, wars and many different aspects. I think Fallout can still create a compelling story about other regions in the USA
I’m guessing the NCR would effectively become the New America, and they would enter into a nuclear war with another major global power sometime a few hundred years in the future basically resetting the events of Fallout, and ending the series. “War never changes” This makes he most sense to me because it would mean that the actions from the first Fallout game basically set the cycle back into motion. Like Ulysses said about how all it takes is one person to make, or break a Nation. Also because... “The game was rigged from the start” lol
@@TheOmegaInitiative Still better than your fanfic if you ask me. This video was certainly creative at least. And I can’t possibly think of a more fitting way to end the series other than a second nuclear armageddon. I thought this video was about the possible ending the the Fallout series? All I saw was an idea for a new Fallout game. Mine wouldn’t necessarily be a game, probably just the written ending to the franchise as a whole. I don’t see how a game like that could even be possible. There’s no way to make a map that size, especially on that ancient engine.
@@robertsmalls2293 You need to watch this video again, this is concept of a future game, probably not for decades. Which by then technology will have advanced immensely and the creation engine would have been abandoned decades ago. I also mention that a travel system like in the old fallout games would be used, which would massively cut down the map size. Telling the ending to a game series outside of game wouldn't go down well either. At 10:36 I literally say nuking everyone is an option, an option. Because at its core Fallout should be about choice. If people want to watch the world burn for the second time, let them. If they want to use nukes to achieve their own ends, then show them the consequences of their actions (something I also outline in the video) instead of people getting attached to the game and their own version of the story they've chosen through the many titles just so some corporate schmuck can say "hey, turns out all your choices don't matter because the world just ends anyway, ah ha, bet you didn't see that original idea coming from way out of left field".
@@TheOmegaInitiative Letting the player decide how the franchise ends seems totally pointless. It’s not like there’d be another game for you to see the results of your choices. I think it would be a really good way of driving home the themes of Fallout about how humanity, and war never change.
@Okbok Tregmas Maybe what this should tell you is no matter how the franchise ends people are going to think it’s stupid. His idea was dumb, my idea was dumb. Maybe there’s just no good way to write in an ending?
Let's mention all of the major factions: *Makes up one instead of mentioning Caesar's Legion* New Faction: NCR virgins that like ranger armor. Hail Mars and his Legion.
Everything literally everything about it is set up for it to fail in the long run. From the goal to conquer the West that's already been conquered to the heir to the throne being in constant dispute to the tribal identities of their members being claimed as dead and wrong but they still in fact remember them and do honor them in what little ways they can come up with to losing not just one founder but another becoming their enemy an legend to haunt them to being based on a long dead society that Wastelanders just can't replicate. Multiple characters in New Vegas tell us it's going to die not long after Caesar does this includes the Co-Founder and the spy that found the Dam to begin the entire campaign. Are they right? I don't know it's possible it's also possible it'll transform into something else with stricter rules and/or more ethical considerations to last. But ultimately the Fallout games usually DO make a canon and it's always the morally good choices. Look I KNOW you can be a morally good character and still side with the Legion but like come on that's for gameplay...Lore and Setting is clear that the Legion is not something to be perceived as a good thing. It will lose the Mojave it will never claim California it will be pushed East where other powers with much more advanced tech and greater structure lie waiting to put the nail in the coffin. Unless they completely isolate themselves into the already conquered territories and heavily fortify them while also maintaining an logical and structured leadership that will go unchallenged...They're most certainly going to die inbetween the events of New Vegas and whatever story picks up afterwords.
@@flamesofchaos13 ahhh yes the morally good option of living in a disgusting junkie filled NCR slum or being raped and murdered by fiends if youre a rancher. That is if you dont starve to death due to overtaxation.
Judging by the way fallout 4 was going where people were rebuilding it could end with the settlements uniting with the help of some of the factions. On the bleaker side of things the factions could go on warring for years until they find nuclear weaponry and use them setting humanity back another 200 years war... war never changes.
Ah Fallout Tactics the game that inspired the following fallouts so much while geting absolutly no credit for what it done. Tactics walked so 3 and nv could run but thats just my honest opinion
If they made a game in a state/area the was along the 49th parallel we could definitely get a Canadian DLC or at least the out of bounds border be Canada
I have no idea what the 49th parallel is. If there's a fallout in Chicago then we should get Canada as a playable area, or maybe we'll even be able to go there on expeditions when that feature is finally added to 76.
@@TheOmegaInitiative The 49th parallel is the line you see at 1:49 from WA to the part of MT, Canada bordering MN, USA. In real life it's simply trees on both the USA and Canada sides but empty grass as the definitive border
I think it should be in Seattle, that way you can feature Canada too with a DLC of sorts. Maybe a DLC in Yellowstone? Survivor National Park Service faction, constantly under threat by abominable horrors. horror camping type of aesthetic. Crystal Lake type of location.
Also, At the end of the game, your chosen faction now controls the territory (including siding with vault 0 or somehow yourself as a warlord), but once you take the complex you can choose to nuke whoever you want (like Lonesome Road), give them to your faction, launch them all into space (no man is worthy of holding such power) or somehow distribute them to everyone to see what chaos ensues
I believe that FEV will probably play a huge part in the last fallout game(s) as it seems it’s been the main antagonist (if that’s the word) of the fallout games.
I like the idea of the final game’s world taking place in the continuous United States, traveling across all of the major areas that previous/future games take place in, revisiting the Mojave and the Capital 100+ years later, seeing how the areas have changed, the creatures that have evolved, local power struggles adding into and changing the outcomes of national campaigns. I’d imagine they’d go the route of using the canon endings of all previous games to determine how Wasteland America would look as a whole, but it would be really cool to be able to go the “build your own adventure route” where you could (with future super computer technology and shit) input and change factors from previous games like if Mr. House were to either maintain control of Vegas or not, shit like that, and see how that would change Wasteland America as a whole, like procedural story generation, but that probably isn’t how that works.
I am kind of surprised that the legion (Caesar Legion, from Fallout NV) was never talked about in this video, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why the legion wasn’t talked about, is because we could easily assume that either the NCR, or the courier wiped them out due to the legion very immoral actions, or a riot happened via the inslaved people inside of the legion…
If the NCR was to expand east, they would probably be the ones to wipe the floor with the Legion. Also, look at the video ShoddyCast produced about the conflict NCR vs Legion. All the NCR has to do is wait until the Legion cannibalizes itself as without Caesar, a once in a lifetime personality, the Legion would fall. One part fearing and thus staying loyal to Lanius, others to Vulpes Inculta, others to Lucius. So while the Legion screws itself over and dissolves into a sort of civil war (which could be a very fitting ending for the Legion), the NCR waited and obliterated anyone still standing.
@@TheRaidenLP just as liking the ncr would fall as the Legion, Lucius and the other are smart enough to know the a civil war would kill them all and Caesar has a plan to become a combination of the ncr civilian side and legion military side
Honestly that would explain the unrest in the ncr. They just got finished conquering the massive ideologically different Legion so a large part of the country would be upset.
The legion would have probably died out by their own doing, if they won in New Vegas and continued to push to California. Literally dying out like the real Roman Empire did.
I love the idea of your patriots. It's definitely an interesting one and kind of makes me think of a strange anarchy system. I wonder how well it would actually work though story wise.
it seems like a cool faction, I'd probably join them if they were introduced or a faction like them existed, I barely hear of any lore in regards to the south in fallout, guess the mutants there must be running wild, we have very diverse wildlife here, so who knows what would exist in the fallout universe.
Personally like to imagine the Minuteman ending with the Railroad and Brotherhood still alive is the Canon ending to Fallout 4, You as the general of the minutemen, form a coalition where the leaders of each faction and a representative of the people come together to form a council on how to control the east coast and it's citizens. Sadly of course this will probably mean Minutemen fighting NCR in the long run but it's an interesting idea imo.
Maybe the sole survivor recreates the US by destroying the brotherhood and capturing their gear,assimilating the railroad and developing new technology and restoring old one thanks to the institute scientists. Also I heard about the idea of a new confederacy in the south,that would be a good idea maybe we could also get a second civil war (with generals uniforms resembling to those of the 1860s)
@@tugalord that is true! The minutemen and the Railroad to get allonge pretty well, and they could take over far harbor as a Colony and Nuka-world as a Large trading post (like the hub).
I always imagined the Minutemen evolved into a new government. Eventually meeting the NCR, the two relatively stable nations start trading and society rebuilds.
I'm writing a fanfiction series where my character United the brotherhood the railroad the institute the minutemen and the nuka world raiders as well as recruiting the lone wanderer and the courier
Unfortunately I think fallout still has many decades ahead, withering away from it's true self until it is milked dry by bethesda/microsoft. There's a small chance the enclave will return in future fallouts, I believe a branch may have attempted to complete the space mission and succeeded, or will be attempting to build their rocket as a future antagonist, which will inevitably be defeated by the BOS, but I think the best chance, or rather certainty, at seeing the Enclave again lies with fallout 76. I just want to see my boys back in glory again.
Mount weather is literally the best option Bethesda has, they can bring back the Enclave in 76 and set them up for the future in the next fallout game.
@@LoneRanger-gv3hg Ngl, I don't feel that Obsidian can pull a good Fallout, especially after Avellone left and what Outer Worlds ended up being. They can probably put up a decent game, maybe something on the level of 4 or 3, but we won't have any writing like we got in New Vegas, they most likely will learn from any mistakes Bethesda made, but I don't see anything good coming out of them. I think it's best to leave Bethesda in charge, they very much learnt a lot from 76 failures and 4's Pearl Harbour DLC shows that they have the developers to back a new Fallout game up, if 5 does ends up being a major disappointment and Outer Worlds 2 ends up being objectively better, I'd probably argue Obsidian taking over Fallout would be a possibility in this case. Fact is- Obsidian has a terrible issue that has persisted for a long time, that is the fact they're too focused in more "linear" stories that came from Bioware, say, Mass Effect or Dragon Age (Origins ofc), but they don't have the gameplay or writing skills to back it up for long enough to keep the wheel going New Vegas has an absolutely amazing introduction and the DLCs are mostly pretty great, but at the same time, that game is the least replayable Fallout out there and many things can slow my enjoyement of it down a lot, I love New Vegas but I haven't touched it in ages, if I want a Fallout experience I go for 3 or 4, I only give a retry at Vegas when I'm starved of RPGs. Tyranny had a godlike introduction, the atmosphere captures you immediately and you get immediately grabbed into the world and its politics, it gets slower in the mid-section and the combat and dungeons starts to drag on but the writing is good enough to keep you engaged, but the final and third act of the game is total dogshit. Outer Worlds is the same- The introduction is great but like...The atmosphere does remains great for most of the game but the plot crashes and burns early, you're going to try to get chemicals or a contact or whatever for the good ol' Doc but instead you end up involved in effectively the worst local politics out of all Obsidian games because of how much sheer bullshit you gotta do to get a favorable outcome and how most representatives from factions are either written as complete jokes or their factions are basically jokes, not to mention the reputation system ends being basically completely useless. Also, a lot of people do bring up New Vegas was developed in 18 months and that's why its gameplay is bad but like...Their newer games haven't exactly improved too much, Outer Worlds gameplay is exactly the same as Fallout 4 quality wise if not worse, its perk system is one of the worst of its kind out there and it might just be me insisting on looks over functionality gear wise, but damn, companions are...Bad. Ignoring the fact they're mostly irrelevant writing wise, a dog in Dragon Age had more utility in battle than the average companion in there Tyranny is legit one of the worst in its genre, you need to micro every single action in what is a real time combat and if you do that, it takes forever to beat a mercenary band without one of your characters getting a wound, and you never get enough skills or abilities with any character to be able to properly specialise, the skill ceiling is effectively too high to learn how to get good ands the four member party ends up being limiting because you never have enough companions to cover every aspect and making up for any gaps is often impossible because the only character which can do that is the main character, and there's a large can of worms in getting him to be effective because the game wants your main character to specialise in something too, and that wouldn't be bad if not for the fact the average combat involves your four gang fighting against three or more frontliners, one or two ranged fighters and wizards and you'll always be weak against oone of those elements. Frankly, I spent more time being bored fighting random bandits than enjoying the game's writing, I'm probably never touching it again unlike other games iof its kind. I can't say a lot about Pillars of Eternity as I haven't played it but from my experience, but I don't see the current Obsidian being a large positive in a Fallout 5.
I would add one faction the legion hanging on to the former glory of Caesar left with an old legate lantuis hanging on to the ways of old with one goal in mind. The death of the NCR
Mr. House manages to unify the region and succeeds in space exploration, eventually leading to the Halcyon Holdings Corporation where they begin to colonize other solar systems.
I believe Texas would try to form a nation like the NCR did, as Texas was it's own Republic for abit. Not to mention that California and Texas are two of the most powerful states in and of themselves. As to the rest of the South, I can see a 'Second Confederacy' forming, as even today, southerners have strong pride in their history, and some Pro-Confederacy groups still exist today. Some are white supremacists groups, but others simply believe that a Confederacy is needed, so you could have branching paths for this New Confederacy if it was to exist in Fallout, kinda like the split between the BoS, or the relationship between Eden and Autumn in the Capital Enclave. (In addition, the Republic of Texas could end up in a war with the NCR as the NCR controls much of New Mexico, and the Republic of Texas back in the day wanted to annex New Mexico themselves).
That's literally a major faction that I have fleshed out in my Fallout table top campaign setting. The "Dixie" area of the united states is known as the Dixie Wasteland and is home to the Dixie Federation. Who, in summary, are basically a society that modeled itself off of southern culture and off of Confederate monuments and museums throughout the southern states. They aesthetically resemble a wasteland Confederacy yet they're actual political makeup and goals are very different. One of my favorite factions that I've made up.
I don't see the Enclave coming back as it's own faction, however I do still see them being around if they were absorbed into the NCR. If the NCR has done a sort of Operation Paperclip with the Enclave remnants. Giving them pardons, citizenship, and overlooking their bigotry in exchange for their tech, knowledge, and other resources. Maybe the NCR did do that and are just really good at keeping it quiet. It would make sense for the NCR to do this especially if they ever ran into the Eastern Brotherhood. Both the NCR and Enclave hate the Brotherhood and as the old saying goes, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'
I really, really like the idea of an NCR operation paperclip with enclave members. It's fitting. But I strongly believe Auld Lang Syne in New Vegas ought to be the last appearance of living enclave members in Fallout. It really seems like the only reason people want to see them in the story is because they think they're bad ass. But their story ended. Even their appearance as a major faction in Fallout 3 was just regurgitation of iconic material from other games, regardless of whether it would make sense. And clearly that decision carried the implication that the enclave could keep surviving, even if they got totally wiped out, because they already had once. But it doesn't make sense, especially with the worldbuilding of Fallout: New Vegas. The overarching narrative of Obsidian/Black Isle's Fallout games are clearly in direct conflict with what Bethesda writes. The enclave really ought to be dead. They already fucking died. It's not like they have vats of ideologically programmed clones ready to emerge and take on the cause of mutant genocide every thirty years. Of their survivors from Fallout 2, it makes the most sense, and the purpose of Gannon and Auld Lang Syne was to show, that enclave remnants and their offspring chose simply to forget about that era. They knew their mission was a total failure that lead to the faction's total annihilation and they have no will or means to continue that mission. They're a relic from the past of the new world, and narratively it's best they stay that way so we can get a new antagonist/faction with some effort put into it, instead of just bringing back the enclave for the third time. Caesar's Legion was fucking cool and their story is probably not totally over. wrote too much but I was surprised to see how many fans here want the enclave to be big again. I think I would hate a new Fallout that does that for that reason alone.
I think that it would make sense for the commonwealth to make an governament for themselves, because the only reason it didn't happend yet was for the fear of the institute, when they tried it before all of the members were butcherd by the institute, so now that they are gone, there isn't reason for them to not make one.
enough to have only good ones to ally you have to have more factions the enclave and one that has been gaining fame I hope that in the fallout process she can be a member of it
Well we know for a fact that the strongest Brotherhood Section is the Mid-west Brotherhood that controls Texas and maybe Louisiana and Kansas, and they would probably be in conflict with the more robust Ceaser's Legion, and the Super Mutant population to the north and east, i do like your idea for the Enclave though. Either way, i like this video great job
i would say it died with NV. all possible relevant themes have been explored, and as the new world emerges from the post-apocalypse, the games should resemble it less and less, thus no longer warranting the name “Fallout”
You don't have to keep moving forward in the timeline though. For example, you could have a game set around the Great Lakes set in the 2270s or one in the Midwest set around the time of Fallout 2 etc. There's plenty of content left to explore in the Fallout universe.
@@AAllen-br8it god I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants a Great Lakes fallout. All Ive ever wanted is to be able to listen to Gordon Lightfoot on the in game radio
@@AAllen-br8it i mean, sure, there are a lot of cool settings that they haven’t explored yet, but i was talking about post-apocalypse in terms of themes. I don’t think there are a lot of original stories left that require the post-apocalyptic setting to be told properly.
@@numberl6 I don't mean this in a negative way at all, but that's probably why you're not the one writing them. There's always a visionary out there who can take something we've seen a thousand times and make it fresh and new. I wouldn't totally give up hope on the entire genre.
Little note as someone in the Midwest the area you called the “Midwest” is not the Midwest just the south the enclave controls the Midwest. But honestly made a better fallout game then we have seen in years lol
The Enclave are a favorite villain, and the Brotherhood is turning into some flavor of them, so we will see an Enclave again. Because much like the Master of the Daleks in Doctor Who, they will be there because the story *demands* them.
i feel like there being an ending where you could unite the brotherhood and enclave would be interesting and making them fight the other factions would be cool
Given the BoS's recruiting tactics (or lack thereof) it seems unlikely that they survive over time, despite their technological edge. Do we actually know what the canonical ending of Fallout 4 is? Also don't forget Mothership Zeta. Zeta can always (probably with the PC in charge or his descendants) destroy any of these factions from orbit.
Depending on how video game technology expands in the near future, a Fallout game encompassing the whole of the United States is not unimaginable. Something like the Crew 2 comes to mind where the US has been scaled down to a more compact size but is still quite massive. Of course, this Fallout game would have a lot more depth in the major cities unlike the Crew 2 where they are just large set pieces. I hope we get to see it one day And like the story could be really cool. Like at the end you help one faction have national supremacy and the ending cutscene will mention if you helped a faction that learned the mistakes of the past and will lead humanity to a better future or a faction that will follow the footsteps of its predecessor and eventually plunge humanity into another apocalypse. Or an ending where you help neither, one where you take over with your own faction and one where you just destroy both and make humanity go extinct.
Consider me impressed, this would make for a great premise for a game :) - Especially if you get a Wildcard option where you can either "burn them all" or try to unite several factions (in New Vegas you could get the BoS to fight alongside the Boomers, the Enclave Remnant, the NCR and even the Khans if you play your cards right and set yourself up as the King of New Vegas!) under your banner (maybe with the choice of going grey as in assassinate faction leaders that don't agree with you or bribing people etc. etc.)
@@TheOmegaInitiative oh wow i didnt know i looked at the fallout wiki and found this ( The American Invasion of Mexico was an armed conflict that started in 2051 when the United States of America invaded Mexico in order to control oil pipelines that went into the US and saught for control over the region's government. In the end the invasion was a success and a Pro-American Government was quickly established by January 2052.) so they didnt fully annex them THX for the info :)
Maybe with the Fallout Universe will finally reach what the Pre-War US (Enclave) wanted right before the Great War: the Space Age in a retrofuture style?
Can’t wait for a fallout game centered like the Great Lakes area of something so we can see what it’s like in the northern part of the country since we have had west, east and some of the south explored
Fallout initially was inspired by post apocalypse novels, I always thought it would ¨end¨ the same way as A Canticle for Leibowitz; humaninty recovers from the war, they advance to their preworld status and eventually surpass it only to be done by another great war
I don't know about the Brotherhood having control of the East. I'm pretty sure the canonical ending to Fallout 4 is the immoral (because of the unlimited mysterious serums curtesy of Lorenzo Cabot) leader of The Institute, uses the technology at his/her disposal (and maybe some help from Piper) to print an unlimited quantity of "You're SPECIAL!" books, and then makes an unlimited army of max stat synths to take over everything.
I'd think I'd be interesting at the end for the main character to make two decisions, nuke another giant faction, or don't and lose, but don't nuke tons of land. If the player does nuke, then they'll realize that war, war never changes.
I personally think the minuteman ending is fallout 4 cannon ending. Wether or not that means the brotherhood is destroyed being that it’s optional is debatable. But I like to think that after the events of fallout 4 that a new CPG is installed into the commonwealth giving a form of government with the minute men being the military force something similar but not exactly like the NCR. I think that eventually after decades the Minuteman, brotherhood, NCR, and possibly the Enclave come at a crossroads. What that would result in is debatable as well. But until fallout 5 comes out we won’t know the fate of the commonwealth but then again we still have no idea what the cannon ending is for NV.
The Minutemen I don't see lasting as a governing force, I could see maxon's brotherhood and the Minutemen fusing, that would give them the means to branch out and get more territory etc, other than that the Institute is the only other faction able to do that in fallout 4.
I think the world would reset itself gradually over hundreds of years similar to what happened after the Bronze Age collapse which isn’t too far from how bad it is in Fallout lol
Also what’s stopping the Enclave from producing an army of Frank Horrigans; that BEAST of a MAN I’d you can even call him that could punch Deathclaws heads off, time to continue the FEV genetically engineered monster program if you ask me. Ultra Mutants with there supreme intellect and not to mention the fact that they’re practically unstoppable could shred 100,000s of NCR soldiers it’s like a Borg Tactical cube coming up against 1,000 Miranda’s. What a slaughter
Personally, I would cry tears of joy if Obsidian and Bethesda would work together on the last game. A marriage of the old guard and the new, finishing the fight.
I think the hardest thing about this is that Caesar and and independent new Vegas are genuine and impactful endings I could see Caesar still holding parts of the west
Your opening possibilities was missing just regular civilisation. Beyond that your question just becomes the same old what is the end for humanity in general and not about fallout
I like this idea. Although it might cause trouble with the open endings of fallout 3-4 since if your character can go all over America, that would probably mean that there would need to be a concrete ending for things like what happened to megaton, who controls vegas, and was portland finally annihilated?
Also, I'd love to see a Train traveling system of some kind similar to Metro. Maybe then we can see multiple state regions instead of just being in one state. Have the regions be condensed of course.
by 2335 the enclave would be long gone, they lost in Appalachia, on the oil rig, and lastly in Raven Rock, the enclave is dead, youre right that its very wishful thinking
End it with a time travel level. Where you can chose to either continue the wasteland future or go back in time to prevent the war from ever happening.
the way Bethesda is taking the series the brotherhood seems like a faction thats going to predominantly take over the east coast and eventually everything. But id like to think that nobody wins, war continues and a factor discovers nukes and uses them to wipe the slate clean, war never changes, to me the great war never ended, and people will still fight, as long as theres say 10 people left, theres a chance that one person within that 10 will be the next Caesar, its just human nature.
Honestly I would love to see the NCR and The Enclave maybe form an alliance against the Institute but then after they turn against the NCR and at the end you get to take control over The Enclave as the president and you can choose how The Enclave operates they could either be a good fraction or evil faction or like the Minutemen from Fallout 4
The same way it started the world reborn in Atomic fire, starting the franchise over. The final factions would probably be NCR, Brotherhood of Steel, Minuteman Commonwealth Government, and Enclave.
The Legion isn't stable over the long-term. They require a powerful central leader, a functional Caesar. Once the old man dies, even Lanius would have a hard time keeping the Legion going; and it's likely he dies as well due to over-aggression against a for with superior firepower (NCR) The Legion can only survive if it either continues to expand under good/solid leadership; or they collapse inward due to being over-focused on physical violence and not having a stable society outside of pure war.
@@13shadowwolf Oh, like how Imperial Rome dominated the world for 500 years. Right. Caesar or not, the Legion will live on, for a time. Hell, the Legion was dominating the NCR at Hoover Dam before the Courier entered the Mojave, having established numerous local alliances, demoralised the NCR, massacred entire NCR-controlled towns, and amassed a massive army. I think it's safe to say that the Legion, without the Courier's intervention, would have annexed the Mojave and seized as much territory as they could before supply lines start to strain, permanently crippling the NCR.
@@theycallmedoorway9913 Rome was the most technologically advanced culture at the time. Their opponents didn't have guns, they weren't well organized; and they had an actual functioning society that fed their war machine. The Legion has none of that. A closer example is Sparta, at the end of their height. They had more slaves than citizens, and nothing but warrior hyper-focus as the goal. They rapidly collapsed inward and destroyed their culture. Just like the Legion would. The only reason the Legion presented a threat was bad writing on the part of the developers. They had to put a complete imbecile in charge of the NCR military to create a weakness for the Legion to exploit. They knew, in-game, that there were tunnels under/through Hoover Dam. They decided that the NCR wouldn't even pour concrete down their, even though they had to ability to do so.
@@13shadowwolf Sparta only faded away because of massive population decline (even amongst slaves), combined with extremely stringent marriage and reproduction laws. Because of this, they couldn't leverage enough power over their neighbours and slowly faded into obscurity. They never "collapsed" or "lost their culture" until the Romans overran them. Regarding your first point, The Legion IS well organised, they DO use guns, (once you prove yourself worthy of their use, of course), and they DO have civilian society outside their armies. Regarding your last point, characteristics such as imbecility, incompetence and corruption are universal amongst ALL materialistic democracies, let alone those that develop in an apocalypse. To portray the NCR as hyper-competent and successfully militaristic would be absurd. These qualities are better suited to more Noble societies - the Legion, Brotherhood, etc.
I believe that the Minutemen would dominate the Northeast. Of course it wouldn’t be called the Minutemen by then but it would be a government of the people allowed to form out of a Minutemen victory in Fallout 4
@@TheOmegaInitiative That’s an issue with every faction. Just look at the BOS between the reign of Owen Lyons and Arthur Maxson. They just need to be built up by the Sole Survivor to at least allow for a government to form with a larger pool of elected leaders
@@TheOmegaInitiative that could be the case initially but a society in which the Minutemen are victorious could have more drastic consequences over time. For example you can resettle some refugee scientists from the Institute post game. Given time they’d likely assist in the technological development of the region. Considering how the Brotherhood treated the Enclave after Fallout 2, they may do the same with the Institute scientists if they are victorious.
It would certainly be nice if our ideal fallout allowed us to explore these premises both in your other videos including this one. I'd imagine when Fallout 5 becomes a thing, I hope we can have access to most of the mainline areas, possibly DLC. But that's a story for another day.
Off on a little detour DLC is the Paradise wastes 8 little islands in the Pacific. 1 held by the communists. 1 by an enclave branch. 1 ruled at a distance by the last Queen. 1 warlord who controlled 2 islands. 2 independent islands ruled by their own tribes. And one island in the center being fought over by the royals, enclave, communists, and separatists. All fighting for a little slice of paradise
I could see the ncr becoming the enclave 2.0 with the ideologies of the enclave and the old world infecting it like hydra did to shield in captain america the winter soldier
@@TheOmegaInitiative man what are you talking about. At the time of new vegas they have the most territory. They realistically would have beaten the ncr at Hoover dam. There is no way they wouldn’t exist
@@roguetoa9787 Caesar's legion would fall apart without Caesar, this game takes place over 50 years after NV, even if Caesar's legion won in NV they would eventually crumble.
But realistically with the NCR being a powerhouse desperate for land but with a great deal of buffer zones and defensible positions. I see them ultimately offering some long term solution of chaos to the order. The NCR may be unreliable but once you get the machine going it's hard to stop full scale mobilization. The west coast brotherhood learned that had NCR supply lines not been destroyed by the divide and the 80s the NCR would have won their war with the legion with ease.
This was too much fanfiction for me, I'm not doing anything like this again for a while.
And sorry for the delay on this video, I was pretty sick, which you can still hear a little in my voice.
The Patriots are a very cool faction
I get you. Speculating like this kinda betrays the intent of the series.
Neckbeard time is over
In the Blue Ring we have the minutemen, in the grey ring we have brotherhood of steel, in the tan ring we have the NCR, in the blue and gold we have the vault tec. Ding ding ding. Fight.
You say Boss... I say Bo-SS...
If Fallout is to have a 'final end' I can only hope that it goes out in a blaze of (atomic) glory, unlike my other favourite long-lived and lore heavy franchise, CnC.
In the name of Kane!
A potential ending siding with the horsemen
Peace through power my brothers, FOR KANE LIVES.......HE WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN OUR HEARTS.....IN OUR RED NOD SHAPED HEARTS MY BROTHERS.....so our prophet kane will never die, stay devoted dear brothers
CnC?
Edit: Just realized you meant Command and Conquer
Brothoof of Steel is the true ending to the series
When I saw the enclave I shit my pants, they're my favourite faction
Same sir
Hello Sir, I think I forgot my power armor.
same
@@blakethesnek1 oh shit-
@@enclavesoldier8370 enclave here why isn’t your video feed working?
Imagine BOS and Enclave being forced to team up due to the numbers of the enemy. That would be one interesting outcome.
Sworn enemies coming together to fight a foe neither could take down on their own.
That would have been awesome and wierd
God Bless The Enclave, and Ad Victoriam!
Also it would be cool if FO5 took place in Chicago
And be able to join the Enclave (and was an RPG like Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian's Fallout)
@@GanjaMasterBlaster ad victoriam but the enclave cringe
@@chimpgaming8290 Ad Victoriam
But the Enclave is based
@@GanjaMasterBlaster how
I’d have always thought it would end in Texas, it’s the most independent state, it has a huge population, lots of guns, lots of resources, a state pride that often trumps national pride, lots of military bases, Houston space center (enclave), and it’s own power grid. I could imagine the Texas rangers pushing back the overly aggressive NCR rangers.
As a Texan, we're a dumpster fire and would absolutely be STUFFED with raiders.
@Trintard honestly probably
Good ideas.
@Trintard That’s exactly what happened to Texas. The Fallout 1 intro mentioned that.
@@emmyvidrine5840 yeah but in fallout lore it a huge base of opireation so yeah it. It the dumpster fire it a fucking power house of supplies. An enclave government could exist there and still be around
Fallout already did end. It's final lines were:
"It's said war - war never changes. Men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end."
Which games ending is that?
@@Joel-oe7zt lonesome road.
New games are still coming out but you may be right fallout new Vegas may be the last game set in the distant future newer games might choose the 76 route and go for earlier time lines
@@definitelyaperson6334 the statement is more to say that any newer games made by bethesda or obsidian aren’t needed. A story that began with the statement ‘war never changes’ is concluded right here. This was the last hurrah of the original devs on top of this. We’ll never see this many of them working together on fallout again as they’ve all gone their separate ways.
@@theylivewesleep.5139 I'd have to disagree, Fallout is not about a single storyline like most series. Its the collective tales about life in the wastelands, its struggles, wars and many different aspects. I think Fallout can still create a compelling story about other regions in the USA
I’m guessing the NCR would effectively become the New America, and they would enter into a nuclear war with another major global power sometime a few hundred years in the future basically resetting the events of Fallout, and ending the series. “War never changes”
This makes he most sense to me because it would mean that the actions from the first Fallout game basically set the cycle back into motion. Like Ulysses said about how all it takes is one person to make, or break a Nation. Also because...
“The game was rigged from the start”
lol
That's honestly such a predictable and overused cliché in settings like this, it's really just the easy way out instead of giving a proper ending.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Still better than your fanfic if you ask me. This video was certainly creative at least. And I can’t possibly think of a more fitting way to end the series other than a second nuclear armageddon. I thought this video was about the possible ending the the Fallout series? All I saw was an idea for a new Fallout game. Mine wouldn’t necessarily be a game, probably just the written ending to the franchise as a whole. I don’t see how a game like that could even be possible. There’s no way to make a map that size, especially on that ancient engine.
@@robertsmalls2293 You need to watch this video again, this is concept of a future game, probably not for decades. Which by then technology will have advanced immensely and the creation engine would have been abandoned decades ago. I also mention that a travel system like in the old fallout games would be used, which would massively cut down the map size. Telling the ending to a game series outside of game wouldn't go down well either. At 10:36 I literally say nuking everyone is an option, an option. Because at its core Fallout should be about choice. If people want to watch the world burn for the second time, let them. If they want to use nukes to achieve their own ends, then show them the consequences of their actions (something I also outline in the video) instead of people getting attached to the game and their own version of the story they've chosen through the many titles just so some corporate schmuck can say "hey, turns out all your choices don't matter because the world just ends anyway, ah ha, bet you didn't see that original idea coming from way out of left field".
@@TheOmegaInitiative Letting the player decide how the franchise ends seems totally pointless. It’s not like there’d be another game for you to see the results of your choices. I think it would be a really good way of driving home the themes of Fallout about how humanity, and war never change.
@Okbok Tregmas Maybe what this should tell you is no matter how the franchise ends people are going to think it’s stupid. His idea was dumb, my idea was dumb. Maybe there’s just no good way to write in an ending?
“How will Fallout end?”
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West Virginia mountain mummers.
@@dylanthompson3889 takee me homeeeee
Let's mention all of the major factions: *Makes up one instead of mentioning Caesar's Legion*
New Faction: NCR virgins that like ranger armor. Hail Mars and his Legion.
Everything literally everything about it is set up for it to fail in the long run. From the goal to conquer the West that's already been conquered to the heir to the throne being in constant dispute to the tribal identities of their members being claimed as dead and wrong but they still in fact remember them and do honor them in what little ways they can come up with to losing not just one founder but another becoming their enemy an legend to haunt them to being based on a long dead society that Wastelanders just can't replicate.
Multiple characters in New Vegas tell us it's going to die not long after Caesar does this includes the Co-Founder and the spy that found the Dam to begin the entire campaign. Are they right? I don't know it's possible it's also possible it'll transform into something else with stricter rules and/or more ethical considerations to last. But ultimately the Fallout games usually DO make a canon and it's always the morally good choices. Look I KNOW you can be a morally good character and still side with the Legion but like come on that's for gameplay...Lore and Setting is clear that the Legion is not something to be perceived as a good thing. It will lose the Mojave it will never claim California it will be pushed East where other powers with much more advanced tech and greater structure lie waiting to put the nail in the coffin.
Unless they completely isolate themselves into the already conquered territories and heavily fortify them while also maintaining an logical and structured leadership that will go unchallenged...They're most certainly going to die inbetween the events of New Vegas and whatever story picks up afterwords.
@@flamesofchaos13 they won’t listen to reason
A man with a mini gun a vertibird and a lot of ammo could take em
Yes, let's mention the backwards savages as one of the players in a game where everyone has energy weapons and power armour lmao
@@flamesofchaos13 ahhh yes the morally good option of living in a disgusting junkie filled NCR slum or being raped and murdered by fiends if youre a rancher. That is if you dont starve to death due to overtaxation.
Judging by the way fallout 4 was going where people were rebuilding it could end with the settlements uniting with the help of some of the factions.
On the bleaker side of things the factions could go on warring for years until they find nuclear weaponry and use them setting humanity back another 200 years war... war never changes.
The latter is more fallouts style
Minutemen major faction with institute tech
another settlement needs your help.
Ah Fallout Tactics the game that inspired the following fallouts so much while geting absolutly no credit for what it done. Tactics walked so 3 and nv could run but thats just my honest opinion
cause its a shit knock off of the classics, cope
If they made a game in a state/area the was along the 49th parallel we could definitely get a Canadian DLC or at least the out of bounds border be Canada
I have no idea what the 49th parallel is. If there's a fallout in Chicago then we should get Canada as a playable area, or maybe we'll even be able to go there on expeditions when that feature is finally added to 76.
@@TheOmegaInitiative The 49th parallel is the line you see at 1:49 from WA to the part of MT, Canada bordering MN, USA. In real life it's simply trees on both the USA and Canada sides but empty grass as the definitive border
And the boundary is just this paradise wilderness right next to whatever murky crater Bethesda is gonna randomly add
I think it should be in Seattle, that way you can feature Canada too with a DLC of sorts. Maybe a DLC in Yellowstone? Survivor National Park Service faction, constantly under threat by abominable horrors. horror camping type of aesthetic. Crystal Lake type of location.
Also, At the end of the game, your chosen faction now controls the territory (including siding with vault 0 or somehow yourself as a warlord), but once you take the complex you can choose to nuke whoever you want (like Lonesome Road), give them to your faction, launch them all into space (no man is worthy of holding such power) or somehow distribute them to everyone to see what chaos ensues
I believe that FEV will probably play a huge part in the last fallout game(s) as it seems it’s been the main antagonist (if that’s the word) of the fallout games.
I like the idea of the final game’s world taking place in the continuous United States, traveling across all of the major areas that previous/future games take place in, revisiting the Mojave and the Capital 100+ years later, seeing how the areas have changed, the creatures that have evolved, local power struggles adding into and changing the outcomes of national campaigns. I’d imagine they’d go the route of using the canon endings of all previous games to determine how Wasteland America would look as a whole, but it would be really cool to be able to go the “build your own adventure route” where you could (with future super computer technology and shit) input and change factors from previous games like if Mr. House were to either maintain control of Vegas or not, shit like that, and see how that would change Wasteland America as a whole, like procedural story generation, but that probably isn’t how that works.
I think the Minutemen would rise as a 6th smaller collation of settlement
Edit:The idea of the brotherhood remaking the USA is scary for me
Depends, I think they'd have to fuse with maxon's brotherhood to have the military prowess to do that
@@yeetneet5334 true
I am kind of surprised that the legion (Caesar Legion, from Fallout NV) was never talked about in this video, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why the legion wasn’t talked about, is because we could easily assume that either the NCR, or the courier wiped them out due to the legion very immoral actions, or a riot happened via the inslaved people inside of the legion…
That second one makes no sense, because slave collars go boom.
If the NCR was to expand east, they would probably be the ones to wipe the floor with the Legion. Also, look at the video ShoddyCast produced about the conflict NCR vs Legion.
All the NCR has to do is wait until the Legion cannibalizes itself as without Caesar, a once in a lifetime personality, the Legion would fall. One part fearing and thus staying loyal to Lanius, others to Vulpes Inculta, others to Lucius.
So while the Legion screws itself over and dissolves into a sort of civil war (which could be a very fitting ending for the Legion), the NCR waited and obliterated anyone still standing.
@@TheRaidenLP just as liking the ncr would fall as the Legion, Lucius and the other are smart enough to know the a civil war would kill them all and Caesar has a plan to become a combination of the ncr civilian side and legion military side
Honestly that would explain the unrest in the ncr. They just got finished conquering the massive ideologically different Legion so a large part of the country would be upset.
The legion would have probably died out by their own doing, if they won in New Vegas and continued to push to California. Literally dying out like the real Roman Empire did.
I love the idea of your patriots. It's definitely an interesting one and kind of makes me think of a strange anarchy system. I wonder how well it would actually work though story wise.
farther Lib-Left than the compass can handle
it seems like a cool faction, I'd probably join them if they were introduced or a faction like them existed, I barely hear of any lore in regards to the south in fallout, guess the mutants there must be running wild, we have very diverse wildlife here, so who knows what would exist in the fallout universe.
Thay sound like the Minutemen but Liberal left instead of Liberal right and In Texas.
Its the libertarians coming to town
Personally like to imagine the Minuteman ending with the Railroad and Brotherhood still alive is the Canon ending to Fallout 4, You as the general of the minutemen, form a coalition where the leaders of each faction and a representative of the people come together to form a council on how to control the east coast and it's citizens. Sadly of course this will probably mean Minutemen fighting NCR in the long run but it's an interesting idea imo.
Maybe the sole survivor recreates the US by destroying the brotherhood and capturing their gear,assimilating the railroad and developing new technology and restoring old one thanks to the institute scientists.
Also I heard about the idea of a new confederacy in the south,that would be a good idea maybe we could also get a second civil war (with generals uniforms resembling to those of the 1860s)
@@tugalord that is true! The minutemen and the Railroad to get allonge pretty well, and they could take over far harbor as a Colony and Nuka-world as a Large trading post (like the hub).
I always imagined the Minutemen evolved into a new government. Eventually meeting the NCR, the two relatively stable nations start trading and society rebuilds.
@@marcusbergman6116 i like that idea.
I'm writing a fanfiction series where my character United the brotherhood the railroad the institute the minutemen and the nuka world raiders as well as recruiting the lone wanderer and the courier
Unfortunately I think fallout still has many decades ahead, withering away from it's true self until it is milked dry by bethesda/microsoft.
There's a small chance the enclave will return in future fallouts, I believe a branch may have attempted to complete the space mission and succeeded, or will be attempting to build their rocket as a future antagonist, which will inevitably be defeated by the BOS, but I think the best chance, or rather certainty, at seeing the Enclave again lies with fallout 76. I just want to see my boys back in glory again.
Mount weather is literally the best option Bethesda has, they can bring back the Enclave in 76 and set them up for the future in the next fallout game.
Leave the 76 casket closed plz
@@NoOne-hr9ti for real. 76 flopped its a dead game, they had their chance. Now we wait for Fallout 5
I actually liked how they made the enclave into fallout 76, mainly how you do an questionary about pre-war america to be able to even join them.
@@LoneRanger-gv3hg Ngl, I don't feel that Obsidian can pull a good Fallout, especially after Avellone left and what Outer Worlds ended up being.
They can probably put up a decent game, maybe something on the level of 4 or 3, but we won't have any writing like we got in New Vegas, they most likely will learn from any mistakes Bethesda made, but I don't see anything good coming out of them.
I think it's best to leave Bethesda in charge, they very much learnt a lot from 76 failures and 4's Pearl Harbour DLC shows that they have the developers to back a new Fallout game up, if 5 does ends up being a major disappointment and Outer Worlds 2 ends up being objectively better, I'd probably argue Obsidian taking over Fallout would be a possibility in this case.
Fact is- Obsidian has a terrible issue that has persisted for a long time, that is the fact they're too focused in more "linear" stories that came from Bioware, say, Mass Effect or Dragon Age (Origins ofc), but they don't have the gameplay or writing skills to back it up for long enough to keep the wheel going
New Vegas has an absolutely amazing introduction and the DLCs are mostly pretty great, but at the same time, that game is the least replayable Fallout out there and many things can slow my enjoyement of it down a lot, I love New Vegas but I haven't touched it in ages, if I want a Fallout experience I go for 3 or 4, I only give a retry at Vegas when I'm starved of RPGs.
Tyranny had a godlike introduction, the atmosphere captures you immediately and you get immediately grabbed into the world and its politics, it gets slower in the mid-section and the combat and dungeons starts to drag on but the writing is good enough to keep you engaged, but the final and third act of the game is total dogshit.
Outer Worlds is the same- The introduction is great but like...The atmosphere does remains great for most of the game but the plot crashes and burns early, you're going to try to get chemicals or a contact or whatever for the good ol' Doc but instead you end up involved in effectively the worst local politics out of all Obsidian games because of how much sheer bullshit you gotta do to get a favorable outcome and how most representatives from factions are either written as complete jokes or their factions are basically jokes, not to mention the reputation system ends being basically completely useless.
Also, a lot of people do bring up New Vegas was developed in 18 months and that's why its gameplay is bad but like...Their newer games haven't exactly improved too much, Outer Worlds gameplay is exactly the same as Fallout 4 quality wise if not worse, its perk system is one of the worst of its kind out there and it might just be me insisting on looks over functionality gear wise, but damn, companions are...Bad. Ignoring the fact they're mostly irrelevant writing wise, a dog in Dragon Age had more utility in battle than the average companion in there
Tyranny is legit one of the worst in its genre, you need to micro every single action in what is a real time combat and if you do that, it takes forever to beat a mercenary band without one of your characters getting a wound, and you never get enough skills or abilities with any character to be able to properly specialise, the skill ceiling is effectively too high to learn how to get good ands the four member party ends up being limiting because you never have enough companions to cover every aspect and making up for any gaps is often impossible because the only character which can do that is the main character, and there's a large can of worms in getting him to be effective because the game wants your main character to specialise in something too, and that wouldn't be bad if not for the fact the average combat involves your four gang fighting against three or more frontliners, one or two ranged fighters and wizards and you'll always be weak against oone of those elements. Frankly, I spent more time being bored fighting random bandits than enjoying the game's writing, I'm probably never touching it again unlike other games iof its kind.
I can't say a lot about Pillars of Eternity as I haven't played it but from my experience, but I don't see the current Obsidian being a large positive in a Fallout 5.
I would add one faction the legion hanging on to the former glory of Caesar left with an old legate lantuis hanging on to the ways of old with one goal in mind. The death of the NCR
Mr. House manages to unify the region and succeeds in space exploration, eventually leading to the Halcyon Holdings Corporation where they begin to colonize other solar systems.
YES
I believe Texas would try to form a nation like the NCR did, as Texas was it's own Republic for abit. Not to mention that California and Texas are two of the most powerful states in and of themselves. As to the rest of the South, I can see a 'Second Confederacy' forming, as even today, southerners have strong pride in their history, and some Pro-Confederacy groups still exist today. Some are white supremacists groups, but others simply believe that a Confederacy is needed, so you could have branching paths for this New Confederacy if it was to exist in Fallout, kinda like the split between the BoS, or the relationship between Eden and Autumn in the Capital Enclave.
(In addition, the Republic of Texas could end up in a war with the NCR as the NCR controls much of New Mexico, and the Republic of Texas back in the day wanted to annex New Mexico themselves).
This is really interesting, and it hurts that we'll likely never see something like this in fallout canon
Maybe in New england we could see a small faction like the minutemen becoming very powerful and creating their own country
That's literally a major faction that I have fleshed out in my Fallout table top campaign setting. The "Dixie" area of the united states is known as the Dixie Wasteland and is home to the Dixie Federation. Who, in summary, are basically a society that modeled itself off of southern culture and off of Confederate monuments and museums throughout the southern states. They aesthetically resemble a wasteland Confederacy yet they're actual political makeup and goals are very different. One of my favorite factions that I've made up.
The second republic of Texas or The Texas Confederation
@@tugalord maybe a faction of redcoat sympathisers too.
That thumbnail was scarily accurate
I don't see the Enclave coming back as it's own faction, however I do still see them being around if they were absorbed into the NCR. If the NCR has done a sort of Operation Paperclip with the Enclave remnants. Giving them pardons, citizenship, and overlooking their bigotry in exchange for their tech, knowledge, and other resources. Maybe the NCR did do that and are just really good at keeping it quiet. It would make sense for the NCR to do this especially if they ever ran into the Eastern Brotherhood. Both the NCR and Enclave hate the Brotherhood and as the old saying goes, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.'
I really, really like the idea of an NCR operation paperclip with enclave members. It's fitting. But I strongly believe Auld Lang Syne in New Vegas ought to be the last appearance of living enclave members in Fallout. It really seems like the only reason people want to see them in the story is because they think they're bad ass. But their story ended. Even their appearance as a major faction in Fallout 3 was just regurgitation of iconic material from other games, regardless of whether it would make sense. And clearly that decision carried the implication that the enclave could keep surviving, even if they got totally wiped out, because they already had once. But it doesn't make sense, especially with the worldbuilding of Fallout: New Vegas. The overarching narrative of Obsidian/Black Isle's Fallout games are clearly in direct conflict with what Bethesda writes. The enclave really ought to be dead. They already fucking died. It's not like they have vats of ideologically programmed clones ready to emerge and take on the cause of mutant genocide every thirty years. Of their survivors from Fallout 2, it makes the most sense, and the purpose of Gannon and Auld Lang Syne was to show, that enclave remnants and their offspring chose simply to forget about that era. They knew their mission was a total failure that lead to the faction's total annihilation and they have no will or means to continue that mission. They're a relic from the past of the new world, and narratively it's best they stay that way so we can get a new antagonist/faction with some effort put into it, instead of just bringing back the enclave for the third time. Caesar's Legion was fucking cool and their story is probably not totally over.
wrote too much but I was surprised to see how many fans here want the enclave to be big again. I think I would hate a new Fallout that does that for that reason alone.
I think the enclave would be its own nation because of the Canada stuff in the lore/timeline
I think that it would make sense for the commonwealth to make an governament for themselves, because the only reason it didn't happend yet was for the fear of the institute, when they tried it before all of the members were butcherd by the institute, so now that they are gone, there isn't reason for them to not make one.
The minutemen did try to make the commonwealth provisional government. But bickering made it collapse
enough to have only good ones to ally you have to have more factions the enclave and one that has been gaining fame I hope that in the fallout process she can be a member of it
Well we know for a fact that the strongest Brotherhood Section is the Mid-west Brotherhood that controls Texas and maybe Louisiana and Kansas, and they would probably be in conflict with the more robust Ceaser's Legion, and the Super Mutant population to the north and east, i do like your idea for the Enclave though. Either way, i like this video great job
There is a chance the legion collapses before the Texan faction apears, since without creaser they where basically screwed
i would say it died with NV. all possible relevant themes have been explored, and as the new world emerges from the post-apocalypse, the games should resemble it less and less, thus no longer warranting the name “Fallout”
A lot of concepts and idea have been added with new vegas , thing is we need something revelant at this point.
You don't have to keep moving forward in the timeline though. For example, you could have a game set around the Great Lakes set in the 2270s or one in the Midwest set around the time of Fallout 2 etc. There's plenty of content left to explore in the Fallout universe.
@@AAllen-br8it god I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants a Great Lakes fallout. All Ive ever wanted is to be able to listen to Gordon Lightfoot on the in game radio
@@AAllen-br8it i mean, sure, there are a lot of cool settings that they haven’t explored yet, but i was talking about post-apocalypse in terms of themes. I don’t think there are a lot of original stories left that require the post-apocalyptic setting to be told properly.
@@numberl6 I don't mean this in a negative way at all, but that's probably why you're not the one writing them. There's always a visionary out there who can take something we've seen a thousand times and make it fresh and new. I wouldn't totally give up hope on the entire genre.
Little note as someone in the Midwest the area you called the “Midwest” is not the Midwest just the south the enclave controls the Midwest. But honestly made a better fallout game then we have seen in years lol
He's an Aussie, so I'd imagine he doesn't know any better.
This video is literally just a love letter to the enclave
The Enclave are a favorite villain, and the Brotherhood is turning into some flavor of them, so we will see an Enclave again. Because much like the Master of the Daleks in Doctor Who, they will be there because the story *demands* them.
i feel like there being an ending where you could unite the brotherhood and enclave would be interesting and making them fight the other factions would be cool
Maybe a fanfic but I like this premise alot!
Given the BoS's recruiting tactics (or lack thereof) it seems unlikely that they survive over time, despite their technological edge. Do we actually know what the canonical ending of Fallout 4 is? Also don't forget Mothership Zeta. Zeta can always (probably with the PC in charge or his descendants) destroy any of these factions from orbit.
Depending on how video game technology expands in the near future, a Fallout game encompassing the whole of the United States is not unimaginable. Something like the Crew 2 comes to mind where the US has been scaled down to a more compact size but is still quite massive. Of course, this Fallout game would have a lot more depth in the major cities unlike the Crew 2 where they are just large set pieces. I hope we get to see it one day
And like the story could be really cool. Like at the end you help one faction have national supremacy and the ending cutscene will mention if you helped a faction that learned the mistakes of the past and will lead humanity to a better future or a faction that will follow the footsteps of its predecessor and eventually plunge humanity into another apocalypse. Or an ending where you help neither, one where you take over with your own faction and one where you just destroy both and make humanity go extinct.
Consider me impressed, this would make for a great premise for a game :) - Especially if you get a Wildcard option where you can either "burn them all" or try to unite several factions (in New Vegas you could get the BoS to fight alongside the Boomers, the Enclave Remnant, the NCR and even the Khans if you play your cards right and set yourself up as the King of New Vegas!) under your banner (maybe with the choice of going grey as in assassinate faction leaders that don't agree with you or bribing people etc. etc.)
I'll be honest Right Here and Now I hope Fallout ends when I'm long dead so I wouldn't have to see you my favorite game die out
We all feel betrayed
@@NoOne-hr9ti I think that came back in F4 or even F3.
My state is in between the enclave the new world patriots and the brotherhood what a nice surprise
So your part of a doomsday cult.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Jesus! The man only said he was from Missouri!
wait so the map in this final game would be all of America ? (btw In the lore America also annexed Mexico)
I believe they imposed a lot of influence over Mexico, however America did not officially annex Mexico.
@@TheOmegaInitiative oh wow i didnt know i looked at the fallout wiki and found this ( The American Invasion of Mexico was an armed conflict that started in 2051 when the United States of America invaded Mexico in order to control oil pipelines that went into the US and saught for control over the region's government. In the end the invasion was a success and a Pro-American Government was quickly established by January 2052.) so they didnt fully annex them THX for the info :)
Maybe with the Fallout Universe will finally reach what the Pre-War US (Enclave) wanted right before the Great War: the Space Age in a retrofuture style?
Why does everyone think the Enclave was trying to go to space? That was only ever stated in Van Buran, and it was cancelled so that's not canon.
Watching this feels like watching the end game slides of nv and 3. Very nice 👌🏼
Something about the end music this guy plays, makes me cry and think about other endings, possibility’s etc.
Can’t wait for a fallout game centered like the Great Lakes area of something so we can see what it’s like in the northern part of the country since we have had west, east and some of the south explored
I want this to be an actual game! Or maybe a DLC sized expansion to Old World Blues mod in Hearts of Iron 4!
Fallout initially was inspired by post apocalypse novels, I always thought it would ¨end¨ the same way as A Canticle for Leibowitz; humaninty recovers from the war, they advance to their preworld status and eventually surpass it only to be done by another great war
I don't know about the Brotherhood having control of the East. I'm pretty sure the canonical ending to Fallout 4 is the immoral (because of the unlimited mysterious serums curtesy of Lorenzo Cabot) leader of The Institute, uses the technology at his/her disposal (and maybe some help from Piper) to print an unlimited quantity of "You're SPECIAL!" books, and then makes an unlimited army of max stat synths to take over everything.
I'd think I'd be interesting at the end for the main character to make two decisions, nuke another giant faction, or don't and lose, but don't nuke tons of land. If the player does nuke, then they'll realize that war, war never changes.
I personally think the minuteman ending is fallout 4 cannon ending. Wether or not that means the brotherhood is destroyed being that it’s optional is debatable. But I like to think that after the events of fallout 4 that a new CPG is installed into the commonwealth giving a form of government with the minute men being the military force something similar but not exactly like the NCR. I think that eventually after decades the Minuteman, brotherhood, NCR, and possibly the Enclave come at a crossroads. What that would result in is debatable as well. But until fallout 5 comes out we won’t know the fate of the commonwealth but then again we still have no idea what the cannon ending is for NV.
The Minutemen I don't see lasting as a governing force, I could see maxon's brotherhood and the Minutemen fusing, that would give them the means to branch out and get more territory etc, other than that the Institute is the only other faction able to do that in fallout 4.
You should’ve called the raider alliance the Florida man alliance
Florida man is Legendary
I think the world would reset itself gradually over hundreds of years similar to what happened after the Bronze Age collapse which isn’t too far from how bad it is in Fallout lol
I like to think that society will eventually reform, and will return to an almost pre war state with beautiful buildings and new countries
My favourite part is when the Enclave said "It's Enclaving time" and then proceeded to Enclave all over them.
If the story continues on the downfall like 4 and 76, then it already ended for me
Also what’s stopping the Enclave from producing an army of Frank Horrigans; that BEAST of a MAN I’d you can even call him that could punch Deathclaws heads off, time to continue the FEV genetically engineered monster program if you ask me. Ultra Mutants with there supreme intellect and not to mention the fact that they’re practically unstoppable could shred 100,000s of NCR soldiers it’s like a Borg Tactical cube coming up against 1,000 Miranda’s. What a slaughter
Personally, I would cry tears of joy if Obsidian and Bethesda would work together on the last game. A marriage of the old guard and the new, finishing the fight.
I think the hardest thing about this is that Caesar and and independent new Vegas are genuine and impactful endings I could see Caesar still holding parts of the west
Yes, but ultimately, the Legion is pretty much doomed and would dissolve back into its individual tribes.
I already love the faction you created
Honestly the NRCI has it in the bag, they have a population that is able to support their defnese/war initiative, which other countries cannot.
Your opening possibilities was missing just regular civilisation. Beyond that your question just becomes the same old what is the end for humanity in general and not about fallout
I like this idea. Although it might cause trouble with the open endings of fallout 3-4 since if your character can go all over America, that would probably mean that there would need to be a concrete ending for things like what happened to megaton, who controls vegas, and was portland finally annihilated?
I think The Enclave will win in the future
I really enjoyed this video, while you may have thought it to include too much fanfiction, I thought it was very interesting!
If the legion found another Ceasar there's no chance for anyone else for many years
Also, I'd love to see a Train traveling system of some kind similar to Metro. Maybe then we can see multiple state regions instead of just being in one state. Have the regions be condensed of course.
by 2335 the enclave would be long gone, they lost in Appalachia, on the oil rig, and lastly in Raven Rock, the enclave is dead, youre right that its very wishful thinking
It's said third time's the charm so perhaps we'd return from Canada
What happened to the legion did they just get replaced by the militia
Damn dude this was awesome to think about. Wish Bethesda would hire you as a writer.
The Followers of Apocalypse and The Minutemen are the best hope to bring the East and West together to make a stable society/country.
End it with a time travel level. Where you can chose to either continue the wasteland future or go back in time to prevent the war from ever happening.
That be fucking weird. And also nearly Impossible the war happened because China was nearly done. We don’t even know who launched the nukes
That would ruin the entire franchise
Where is a minute meant or depending on the ending The Institute
Republic of Dave conquering all of the wasteland is the only ending
the way Bethesda is taking the series the brotherhood seems like a faction thats going to predominantly take over the east coast and eventually everything. But id like to think that nobody wins, war continues and a factor discovers nukes and uses them to wipe the slate clean, war never changes, to me the great war never ended, and people will still fight, as long as theres say 10 people left, theres a chance that one person within that 10 will be the next Caesar, its just human nature.
The Institute will replace humanity with synths. Another idea is an Institute/Enclave alliance
F the institute
Honestly I would love to see the NCR and The Enclave maybe form an alliance against the Institute but then after they turn against the NCR and at the end you get to take control over The Enclave as the president and you can choose how The Enclave operates they could either be a good fraction or evil faction or like the Minutemen from Fallout 4
House might team up with his old college
I’d choose the Enclave
it would be fun to see a battle to the death between the NCR and the Eastern Brotherhood of Steel
A Canticle for Lebowitz, i believe, accurately explains the destiny of post post apocalyptic countries
10:53 and if you join the Raiders you get a chance to form the Floridian Republic
What if we get a pre war story and it leads up to finding out who dropped the bombs, better yet stories of other countries from the fallout universe
Fallout has always been about America but I would like some spin offs in Russia ect
this would be a great game concept
The same way it started the world reborn in Atomic fire, starting the franchise over.
The final factions would probably be NCR, Brotherhood of Steel, Minuteman Commonwealth Government, and Enclave.
Don't understand why he made up a faction, Caesars legion is still a thing even if he's dead. Unless I missed something crucial fallout lore wise
The Legion isn't stable over the long-term. They require a powerful central leader, a functional Caesar. Once the old man dies, even Lanius would have a hard time keeping the Legion going; and it's likely he dies as well due to over-aggression against a for with superior firepower (NCR)
The Legion can only survive if it either continues to expand under good/solid leadership; or they collapse inward due to being over-focused on physical violence and not having a stable society outside of pure war.
@@13shadowwolf Oh, like how Imperial Rome dominated the world for 500 years. Right.
Caesar or not, the Legion will live on, for a time. Hell, the Legion was dominating the NCR at Hoover Dam before the Courier entered the Mojave, having established numerous local alliances, demoralised the NCR, massacred entire NCR-controlled towns, and amassed a massive army.
I think it's safe to say that the Legion, without the Courier's intervention, would have annexed the Mojave and seized as much territory as they could before supply lines start to strain, permanently crippling the NCR.
@@theycallmedoorway9913 Rome was the most technologically advanced culture at the time. Their opponents didn't have guns, they weren't well organized; and they had an actual functioning society that fed their war machine. The Legion has none of that.
A closer example is Sparta, at the end of their height. They had more slaves than citizens, and nothing but warrior hyper-focus as the goal. They rapidly collapsed inward and destroyed their culture. Just like the Legion would.
The only reason the Legion presented a threat was bad writing on the part of the developers. They had to put a complete imbecile in charge of the NCR military to create a weakness for the Legion to exploit. They knew, in-game, that there were tunnels under/through Hoover Dam. They decided that the NCR wouldn't even pour concrete down their, even though they had to ability to do so.
@@13shadowwolf Sparta only faded away because of massive population decline (even amongst slaves), combined with extremely stringent marriage and reproduction laws. Because of this, they couldn't leverage enough power over their neighbours and slowly faded into obscurity. They never "collapsed" or "lost their culture" until the Romans overran them.
Regarding your first point, The Legion IS well organised, they DO use guns, (once you prove yourself worthy of their use, of course), and they DO have civilian society outside their armies.
Regarding your last point, characteristics such as imbecility, incompetence and corruption are universal amongst ALL materialistic democracies, let alone those that develop in an apocalypse. To portray the NCR as hyper-competent and successfully militaristic would be absurd. These qualities are better suited to more Noble societies - the Legion, Brotherhood, etc.
I wish for Fallout like at least 200 years from Fallout 4
When civilization is nearly rebuild
Something like retro futuristic GTA
(CyberPunk?)
11:10 good breakdown of everything released after 2014
As long as it makes money it’ll keep on coming baby !
I believe that the Minutemen would dominate the Northeast. Of course it wouldn’t be called the Minutemen by then but it would be a government of the people allowed to form out of a Minutemen victory in Fallout 4
The minutemen would be in ruin without the sole survivor, they're not actually very strong.
@@TheOmegaInitiative That’s an issue with every faction. Just look at the BOS between the reign of Owen Lyons and Arthur Maxson. They just need to be built up by the Sole Survivor to at least allow for a government to form with a larger pool of elected leaders
I believe the Minutemen, if left in charge, would help to establish a Commonwealth Provisional Government.
@@Thagomizer Maybe, but if the Brotherhood was still around I think they would have the ability to expand much faster than the Minutemen.
@@TheOmegaInitiative that could be the case initially but a society in which the Minutemen are victorious could have more drastic consequences over time. For example you can resettle some refugee scientists from the Institute post game. Given time they’d likely assist in the technological development of the region. Considering how the Brotherhood treated the Enclave after Fallout 2, they may do the same with the Institute scientists if they are victorious.
It would certainly be nice if our ideal fallout allowed us to explore these premises both in your other videos including this one.
I'd imagine when Fallout 5 becomes a thing, I hope we can have access to most of the mainline areas, possibly DLC. But that's a story for another day.
The future of Fallout will be pretty cool with the amount of places we'll be able to explore.
This was wonderful!
I like the way canticle for liebowitz ends its story
Is the horsemen a fallout shelter reference just wondering
Off on a little detour DLC is the Paradise wastes
8 little islands in the Pacific. 1 held by the communists. 1 by an enclave branch. 1 ruled at a distance by the last Queen. 1 warlord who controlled 2 islands. 2 independent islands ruled by their own tribes. And one island in the center being fought over by the royals, enclave, communists, and separatists.
All fighting for a little slice of paradise
I wonder what the last fallout protagonists will be called
I could see the ncr becoming the enclave 2.0 with the ideologies of the enclave and the old world infecting it like hydra did to shield in captain america the winter soldier
Fanficitony as this was, beats the hell out of 76's premise. Just from this brief pitch Im hyped to fight for Vault 0
When you said the fraction from the west, i thought caesar's legion was gonna show up
Nah, Caesar's legion would be too weak to be a major power at that point, if they would even still exist.
@@TheOmegaInitiative true
@@TheOmegaInitiative but as small faction somewhere in arizona they could
@@TheOmegaInitiative man what are you talking about. At the time of new vegas they have the most territory. They realistically would have beaten the ncr at Hoover dam. There is no way they wouldn’t exist
@@roguetoa9787 Caesar's legion would fall apart without Caesar, this game takes place over 50 years after NV, even if Caesar's legion won in NV they would eventually crumble.
But realistically with the NCR being a powerhouse desperate for land but with a great deal of buffer zones and defensible positions. I see them ultimately offering some long term solution of chaos to the order. The NCR may be unreliable but once you get the machine going it's hard to stop full scale mobilization. The west coast brotherhood learned that had NCR supply lines not been destroyed by the divide and the 80s the NCR would have won their war with the legion with ease.
Sees map of U.S., looks at Cali. "HEY! My little Nor-Cal hometown is highlighted!"
The raiders are Florida man. It could be no other way.
Would love to see a sequel in Alaska