WoTLK leaked & ZA on PTR + Hunters & players cheating with fake logs and programs | PREPARED #38
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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0:00:00 - Intro + quickie look at DPS rankings
0:04:38 - WoTLK files unofficial confirm classic wrath
0:05:33 - Zirene’s WoTLK plans and rogues in wotlk
0:09:58 - Ele shaman power jump in wotlk
0:13:53 - WoTLK raid release schedule and sizing issues
0:19:28 - ZA on PTR + initial ZA item talk
0:23:49 - Zirene’s experience with double glaive in pve
0:28:10 - Hunter’s cheating with AHK macros
0:33:59 - Players cheating on warcraft logs
0:36:44 - Why was the warcraftlogs cheating tool created?
0:39:31 - Is the cheating tool going about things the wrong way?
0:46:43 - Will blizzard or warcraftlogs be able to fix it? Will we even have a good outcome?
0:54:36 - Blizzard recent TBC PvP tournament
0:58:41 - Unique gear/talent choices in the PvP tourney
1:02:38 - Blizzard talked about PvP changes
1:08:22 - Looking back, were the 58 boosts bad for WoW TBC?
1:14:14 - Are some WoW players asking for a game they wouldn’t want to play long term?
1:17:03 - Why hasn’t Blizzard put in the WoW token?
1:22:11 - Sno tells the story of how mmorpg gold selling became popular
1:26:46 - Side story: Why Zirene plays WoW better drunk
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The second they fixed the logs for chinese guilds who dont have the same Warden to protect from log shenanigans our favorite super funneled BiS on week 3 rogues is no longer the top single target DPS... hmmm
also dungeons in Wrath are so much more claustrophobic
Fury here, and I just picked up to OH Glaive. Rage generation already feels smoother, but you have to get used to HS queueing to really take advantage of it.
Also, Warrior parses are so much more outwardly dependent than most classes. Specifically, Tank threat has to be very good to provide us the ceiling we need. We have tons of threat thanks to HS, no threat drop, and Glaives only make that worse, lol. Lust timing (or just multiple Lusts) also makes a huge difference. Having Lust active at
I can relate to everything you said. Even the glaive cause I got the same (gj btw :D). Man that's so annoying when you have to stop DPS because of threat...
feel you sno, my guild has 7 kills and has seen 1 CVoS, 1 Zhar'doom, 1 Skull, 1 Memento, 1 Signet, and no glaives, we've seen 3 Cowls and 6 Shards of Azzinoth though... the last few have been de'd -_- The fact that we have only seen 1 Zhar'doom, and no Crystal Spire, Bow, or Bulwark sucks. We were on the verge of putting a ticket in after 3 cowl/shard drops in a row until we got Memento/shard last night.
Don’t worry Zirene heroic strike doesn’t get changed til cata :)
For a decade I leveled all my characters through dungeon finder. I love dungeon finder. For the last couple years I hear content creator types scoff at dungeon finder. The same people sharing the horrors of dungeon finder are buying 58 boosts and mage boosts. Kind of ironic. I hope dungeon finder comes back soon because I don't want to buy character leveling nor quest.
I wish Sno did the podcast solo
QUESTION: If the boost is good why limit it to 1 per account and why not have a 68 or 70 boost now?
Sure, open it up to more or do more changes to encourage catch up mechanics. Boosts alone aren't solving the problem of lack of new influx of low levels for sure.
Actually a very good question I would imagine that most default reason is.
Blizzard doesn't have the most good outlook right now with the player base especially tbc And if tomorrow for example they would say Hey by the way the boost is unlimited.
I guarantee the 1st thing that would come out of every body's mouth was oh this is just more money hungry Is to ruin the game.
The boost was bad enough Now you can do it whenever whatever that's that's so bs I had to level multiple characters.
Same thing if they were to put in the wow token If that and the other reason which is always the most default reason bots.
Unfortunately any good thing that you for us can always be manipulated by bots.
Don't get me wrong though I 100% agree with you I think they should make the boost unlimited at this point.
Heroic strike is not an instant attack in Wotlk. You still queue it.
Love it :)
What's the name change tech?
Normalize crit because rng is unfair in logs...
Same phase that glaives come out...
it's so sad honestly.... because without Goldbuyers n goldsellers i could buy all gear i wanted from gbid pugs since most items wouldn't go above 1000gold. Since for people who farm gold Legit way''Gold becomes Very Valuable''
5 mans in wrath were easy and short. The only decent ones were the 3 that came out with 3.3
dang i forgot how nutty classes get in wrath, going to be so much fun!
Top 30 world fury throughout all phases here.
I already struggle to parse from playing in a dad guild. Log editing would make it even harder.
Our rogue finished double glaives last and he's putting out big numbers!
I think Joegengsta played rogue / warr 2's to 2400 in like S4 original TBC on Illidan, no idea how though lol.
you do not go full sub in wrath for pvp lol
why would you add token you could just skip to add glaives and tier to blizz shop or add the token and make GDKP against TOS
We talked about it - at this stage it's too late to anti-tos GDKP because too many guilds were built on it. They had to ban gdkp at the start and they've missed the chance to do that now
you say that the old zones die when you boost or not but if you go play on warmane right now which has 7x xp to increase leveling every leveling zone has people in it, there is no one in and old classic zone
I don't think the 7x xp thing really helps your point, especially if old classic zones still died. 7x is basically a boost already, and it seems like according to what you say some zones are still dying.
why is his dps horrible in hyjal? they're all 6200 armor demon bosses o.O
It's not boss damage, it's overall dmg that rogues fall super behind on in Hyjal. Our class just sucks at sustained multi mob pulls.
@@ClassicRoguecraft oh the trash yeah
You guys are completely misrepresenting the argument against boosts. The point is that boosts especially without an in game barrier to entry, lead to more botting, gold selling, inflation.
Your guys’ main argument is that it helps retain people. Fine then make the boost gated by having to have a max level toon already. It’s not that getting rid of the boost will get rid of bots, but it severely reduces their profitability and therefore their proliferation.
Neither of us are saying those aren't negative side effects of the boost. The boost isn't a perfect solution at all (the perfect solution being blizzard remakes the entire game with better catch up mechanics - but we know they won't do that).
The argument is that despite those negatives, boosts provide the catch up mechanic that helps increase the amount of new players/current players actively playing the game vs. amount of players leaving.
So to simplify it, yes boosts have bad side effects but the beneficial side effects of increased population and longevity outweigh the negative side effects of more bots/gold inflation.
regarding the conversation about the boosting. Do we have any actual data about people coming to the game because of the boost, or leaving because of the boost. Everything seems VERY anecdotal.
In the secenario where there is no data, the only 1 thing we know for sure about the boost is, it has helped gold sellers generate in game currency.
I wish blizzard gave that data actually, but unfortunately they don't. I think they're always scared of showing the exodus of people as servers/expansions get older.
Fury has been amazing since ssc/tk. People dumb af.
Can't help but think that Zirene is being rude when he's focused on something else and audibly typing in the background...
People are dooming on warriors early in Wrath just like they did in classic.
Yes, however there's better data to support this claim this time.
I wouldn't say dooming warriors are gonna be nutz mid to late expansion but that is the story for warrior every expansion start off slow then ramps hard with gear
@@unworthychong6060 fury was good off the rip lmfao.
Yep I quit playing my warrior before TBC even launched because of this. Now I know to at least try something before I listen to RUclips. I’m going full out on my warrior for wrath this time.
The justification you guys put forth for the boost is a pretty big cope because you have to hand wave away all the reasons people stick with an MMO in the long run and what keeps a game going. RMT systems ruin multiplayer games, the boost facilitates botting and the ease of buying your way to 70 and right into gearing up.
The main issue with the boost is that it feeds into the GDKP type systems which are god awful for the game because of what it does to in game economy and players sense of achievement, which you could argue improves retention but at that point most players who like the accomplishment of getting through the content stop giving a shit because someone can just buy a boost to 58, pay to boost to 70 and then buy gear from GDKPs. There's a point of diminishing returns in regards to play accessibility vs cheapening the experience of being so pervasive that the bottom of the game falls out (usually right after the in game economy outpaces the average players ability to keep up with it).
I play a lot of BGs across all five of 70s and I'd say in a good 80% of the losses I'm involved in, theres a minimum of 2 to 3 boosted characters in a mix of green/blues and some epics they bought in GDKP, those players are total deadweight which usually cost us the match outright. The existence of those people make the game worse in every aspect of the game in which you have to interact with those kind of players reguarly.
The first Player by far on Boss Dmg in Black Temple is a rogue. So rogue is easily the best dps in the game right now and will be until the end of the game.
Wrong. You're looking at all star points.
The highest boss damage is a warrior.
@@joshuamacal3641 no the rogue has 2680 boss dps in bt and the warrior has 10 dps less with 2670 boss dps in bt. So the rogue is ahead + the warrior has waaaaay faster kill times and rogues have the highest dps burst with cds so with time the rogue will be way ahead
Rogue is #1 on boss dmg and it makes sense. Its the only class that scales for ever with haste. There will never be a point where a good rogue is energy capped unlike a warrior
after they fixed the chinese guilds being able to rig logs... nope they arent anymore wonder why, wonder how that rogue is who payed for BiS everything by week 2
@@jasonu3741 the chinese rogue is still #1 on the logs and will be in the future. They were not using the exploit. The rogue just got every single buff that is useful to rogue dmg. He even had a rogur who spammed expose armor for him. And? Everyone in the top 100 are getting hard buffed by everyone so it is fair. Rogue is and will be #1 on boss dmg in bt
Felt like that boosting discussion near the end was pretty disingenuous.
Half of the TBC servers are now dead since P1/P2. Far less people are playing TBC vs Classic during both their peaks.
We don't have the hard data to know why so many people quit. But reading through the lines, it's reasonable to say ONE of the reasons was the boost. When people quit WoW it tends to be a straw that breaks the camel's back, and the boost most likely contributed to that, when popular community figures in social media like Madseason and Asmon have both criticized the boost.
I also don't like the argument of "oh, the old zones weren't salvageable anyway, so boosts are justified". Back near the months leading into the end of classic, tons and tons of people were leveling alts to prepare for TBC.
Now with the boost, we'll probably never see that for WOTLK.
Not to mention, the boost is an awful new player experience. Trash gear, no explanation of rotation/spells, completely underpowered against the mobs in Hellfire Peninsula.
Feels weird that you made a section of the podcast "dunking" on anti-boosters when the only objective data we have is that TBC has had the most people quit (half servers are dead) compared to Classic.
By your standard though, you qualifying boosts as a factor without qualifying the fact that some people play because of the boost is equally disingenuious though.
The thing is neither me or zirene is saying boosts are an ideal solution or that boosts have no negatives - but it's also wrong to blindly say boosts are why people quit without thinking about the positive effects of the boost at the same time.
Boosts have both positive and negative effects on the game and what anti-boosters do is tend to only look at the negative side without considering the positive aspect.
@@ClassicRoguecraft We won't know if TBC were to have no boosts would there have been less people quitting, but the significant player loss from Vanilla to TBC has to be acknowledged. And to ignore that boosting isn't a potential reason to why is disgenuous.
There are some benefits to boosting but from the data we've seen in player retention pre-boost classic and post-boost classic, one could argue the negatives outweigh the positives.
@@sehui04 No one is ignoring the some people quit due to boosts. However you are ignoring that some people also played and play more due to the boost.
Your data point is flawed because you're equating more players leaving with boosting vs. percentage of players.
Trying to compare classic vs tbc in this fashion is silly because tbc had way more players to being with than classic, which auto means if the same percentage of players quit as classic you have more players leaving.
I'm happy to explain this more to you in discord if you want - but youtube comments is awkward for long form replies.
Boost is so bad for the game. You feel fucking stupid to level an alt for 1-2 month when in 1 sec you can skip it by swiping a god damn credit card. It's that feeling that make people not want to play the freaking game.
I want my time invest in the game to matter. It's the same problem with gold buying... you feel stupid to farm gold when people just swipe 5k gold every week or so.
How about we reward people that invest time inside the game and make it feels alive? You guys are the reason why bot/boost/cash shop ruin this beautiful game.
Is it that feeling though that makes people not want to play the game though? We didn't have boosts in classic before tbc and the server still became top heavy.
I get the sentiment - but even removing boosts doesn't fix the problem that the actual players themselves who want to level 1-70 will want to do it vs. picking another game.
ROGUE IS #1 ON BOSS DMG IN BT WTF