I imagine ancient magic wouldn't come easy to people like Hermione, who's very strict and got a very narrow view about how the world works. Whether Luna i think would have an easier time, she's full of wonder and open to the possibilities, she probably wouldn't mind magic doing what it wants.
@@ConstantChaos1 My guess is that it's more like borrowing power, than using your own, which results in certain "backlash". And more power you borrow that way, more severe backlash gets - to the point it can literally kill witch or wizard, who overestimated their ability.
Somehow, ancient magic seems like it would be more procedural than modern standard magic; a far higher degree of variation and far lower degree of predictability.
I suspect that "accidental" magic is related to ancient magic. Something that is systematically suppressed by the Ministry of magic by ensuring everyone capable of magic learns the proper application of magic.
It's just latent magical ability manifesting itself, when young witch or wizard are in too much stress. I do believe that ancient magic is what, basically, creates witches or wizards - it's "magic touch" of universe, that gives newborn witch or wizard their own magic.
@@ceu160193 That's why I think "ancient magic" is basically a misnomer. It's more properly "instinctual magic". Wizards all start with it, to varying minor degrees, but are far more proficient with the more studied "intellectual" magic. Those that can use it as adults tend to be the extremely powerful wizards that can do normal level magic without thinking about it the way normal wizards would have to, and the instinctual nature of it gives far more flexibility than "intellectual" magic can achieve.
It sounds to me like Witches and Wizards naturally, unconsciously, shy away from Ancient Magic, in favor of Modern Magic, because Ancient Magic "happens independently of efforts by wizards", representing a degree of control that a wizard must relinquish, and simply trust in the magic, or in other words, "take a leap of faith". Perhaps Ancient Magic is more closely tied to spiritualism and faith, where Modern Magic is more closely tied to life and the physical world? Unless a wizard is firmly in control of themselves, they may not be able to fully relax, and "go with the flow", and trust their instincts enough to make use of Ancient Magic.
I feel like it could have been that the ' high class ' families in HP started to produce less members with the ability to do ancient magic , so it began to fade due to the families trying to suppress the usage
What's interesting is that it's theoretically possible that the hogwarts legacy protagonist is still alive during the first and second wizarding wars. Assuming you were a 5th year and therefore 16 in 1890 they'd only be around 124 in 1998. I'd assume though being a keeper that they'd remain in the shadows.
@@memer7987 the oldest human ever maybe, but it's already been stated that wizards live longer than humans in the lore. About an average of 150 years, assuming they're not killed sooner.
Here's my theory: Ancient magic is to ordinary magic what ordinary magic is to human science. It's something that transcends the norm, and thus, most wizards can't really grasp, understand, or use, except in the most extreme cases. Not only that, but when they do tap into it, they really only gain a surface level understanding of what it is and what they're doing with it, and thus really can't control it as well as they think, yet become extremely arrogant about their ability.
Here is a fun little tidbit, the phrase, "Hocus Pocus" actually came from the Latin Roman Catholic Mass at the mass' conclusion when the priest declared, "Hoc est corpus meum!" In English this translates to, "This is my body!" referring to one of the two Eucharistic (Communion) elements (bread and wine). By the time it rattled around in the cathedral, it sounded like, "hocus pocus." Since most parishioners didn't speak Latin, that made (and still makes) sense. During Vatican II (1962-1965), Pope John XXIII declared that mass should be spoken in the people's native tongue. Today, the Latin Mass is rarely said. So there you go...some, "ancient" magic that isn't really all that ancient.
Well, I imagine it's considerably more powerful and probably strongly driven by emotion and probably doesn't have the guard rails most of the modern-day spells do Which would mean fewer and fewer people would be able to master it over the years till it eventually died out. Because if you don't know what you're doing, you're likely to injure yourself and the people you're trying to help
A fanfiction called HPMOR explains the loss of ancient magic by the interdict of Merlin. This interdict states that powerful magic can only be taught from one living mind to another. This way, powerful magic cannot be learned by simply reading ancient books or scrolls. I personally really like this explenation. Based on Merlin's interdict, HPMOR also goes into why the chamber of secrets is actually called the chamber of 'secrets'. Slitherin circomvented Merlin's interdict by teaching his lore to a basilisk, which could then go on to teach Slitherin's heirs after is own demise.
It's an older, more primal magic. It's just not something humans naturally tune in to. In extremis, Lily Potter and Molly Weasley managed it, which passed down some ability to their offspring (possibly even before the event - it doesn't care about details like time). Dumbledore succeeded partially with his link to Fawkes. Hagrid could do it with his links to various creatures. Dobby knew it innately. The only human with a natural aptitude for it was Tom Riddle. Harry acquired an ability for it thanks to his links to his mother and Voldemort.
In Hogwarts Legacy, I got the impression that it was more emotional than naturalistic. It's use to control pain, and Ranrok's wrathful outbursts, suggested that the Ancient Magic was tied to the user's emotional core, while more modern magic was tied to knowledge or reason. It also suggested to me that the Ancient Magic was being converted to the more common, practiced magic of the modern age. The same magic was still around, just in a different form.
@@Guardian582 It was not the initial use, but the effectiveness with which it effected emotions leads me to believe it's emotionally based in the first place
It's not something you learn, it's something you feel and just do, like when you say "this far no further" and then make it a reality with sacrifice and intention. If you believe and fully commit to it, a sheer act of will. The smallest gestures can effect everything at the precise moment of change. Every witch and wizard was afraid of voldemort, maybe charging the very universe with what they needed most, justice, then he tried to do the unthinkable, and he was told no more. Anyway yoda probably said it best "There is no try, only do or do not"
i think ancient magic was highly volatile and without much control, used before the inception of wands wherien the witch or wizard could then focus their magic with a greater accuracy. For me ancient magics use was very combustable and violent and with the introduction of the statute of secrecy made the use of ancient magic for witches and wizards with their newfound need for secrecy become lessened and lost in turn.
Ancient magic is tied to the natural world. The changes in society and the practices of people has been detrimental to the discovery, understanding and use of it. Therefore it has become more dangerous due to this lack of knowledge and understanding. The magic is also rather emotionally and spiritually sensitive and will lash out as a result of being hurt. Thus making it dangerous for this reason too.
It is possible Ancient Magic may have a kind of Will. In the beginning this Will may have made it easier to use, but over time this Will may have purposely restricted access to the Ancient Magic because it was no longer necessary. Think of Ancient Magic as a kind of training wheels until the Wizards and such learn how to do Magic that is more orderly. In the beginning Ancient Magic may have been extremely dangerous to do, but because of the small population of Wizards the harmful effects were kept to a minimum. Where in the modern world their are a lot of Wizards out there and it is possible that one Wizard's spell could react to another Wizard's spell and cause great damage. When the Wizard population was small their was less chance of causing a World disaster. If a mistake or bad interaction between spells happened in the Ancient past the fallout only affected a much smaller area. Where in modern times with many more Wizards around the World where more Chaotic Ancient Magic spells could interact with each other and then that interacts with another spell and another and another until it possibly becomes a World disaster and not a highly local disaster. So that could be why this Will made access to Ancient Magic so hard because it really wasn't needed. The Modern Magic can still do what Ancient Magic could for the most part, but with more control, repeatable, and safer.
What is the magic of the universe as you were saying is like a muscle of the universe. Since Les is being used, then the power was less but the more people that use it the stronger it gets like a muscle.
You seem to make it like having a genie granting wishes. So this means magic goes to the path of least resistance to achieve a goal. Reminds of the monkey paw.
Thank you my friend for this video has created a spark in my mind that led to me creating an entire fantasy universe based off of a magic system. In reality, it was only one sentence that did all this, but it was already in the first 10 seconds of the video and it led me down a rabbit hole of ideas and thoughts and everything and now I have a basically full-fledged magic system in a half-assed universe that I will need to build out. But it's a starting point and in a way you sent me here. So thank you. Edit: Corrected "metric system" to "magic system". Voice typing sucks sometimes :D
If it is like many other fantasy magic systems, modern magic is likely based on ancient magic but uses a range of enchantments and tools to regulate and focus that ancient magic into a reliable outcome. This would partially explain the pureblood mentality with the original wizards placing now lost enchantments on their bloodlines to allow them to better harness magic.
After viewing the program, the question "What is ancient magic" is about as clear as mud. Especially troubling is the theory that ancient magic is a non renewable resource. Is ancient magic limited only to Earth? Or is it a widespread force that is the Universe?
Why wouldn’t “ancient” magic be akin to the life force? It’s innately within us. We are not running out of life force - but regarding innate magic, you either have it, or you don’t. To me, it’s like a secret well that most don’t know how to access, but it’s still there.
I've started integrating Ancient Magic into my hp fanfic, and decided to make its principle wielders the Veela (namely, their allure and other abilities, as in my fic, they're pure, no hybrids with humans)
I'm thinking about the unforgivable curses and that you have to "mean" it to use them. Magic seems to me always to be a combination of will and emotion, bound by words and focused with a wand, so it becomes reality. "Ancient Magic" leaned for me deeper into the emotional side and that connection to your suroundings, than "School magic". Even witches and wizards did become more detached to nature and everything connecting with it, so it would be plausible they are also loosing their connection to this old tree of magic. And yes, you also need to have a certain genetical trait - which also very much could be caused by said magic itself.
Ancient magic isn't a thing that was regularly harnessed centuries before the potter storyline, it's merely describing magic that last longer than standard magic and that harnesses the emotion of the spell caster. Hogwarts was made by Ancient magic, azkaban, lily potters charm, and molly weasleys charm. All made with emotion. Compassion made hohwarts, the founders wishing to harbour vulnerable wizards and teach them magic, intense suffering and hatred created azkaban and the dementers, love protected Harry and killed bellatrix. Calling it Ancient magic doesn't make it old. And the only reason we don't see lots of it any more is people today aren't not in control of their emotions as much, or cast a spell with the intent or emotion they once might’ve.
I know my knowledge has gaps but I suspect there’s an element of sacrifice (or willing or unwilling) in ancient magic. The most obvious example is Lily Potter but in each example you can understand that something is taken or sacrificed or exchanged…your own life with the Veil, the duelists opponent with the Wand, Dumbledore and Grindlewalds actual blood. I know it’s pretty much headcannon but I really like the idea that, to paraphrase GRRM, “[old] magic has a cost,” and that “it’s a sword without a hilt.”
Who wants a trilogy with the original 4 house wizards?!?! MEEEEEEEE! Rated R of course! Brutal magic. Immense darkness and fear. A heavy story from that time period!
@@LuBuZu89 one of the single greatest book series of all times? Followed by 8 movies that were very well received. Making it rated r would be so weird. Like making Deadpool pg If you want rated R Harry Potter watch the magicians 😆
@Bilski86 good point! Hmmm yea. I think since I'm older now and been a huge fan from reading the books I want something more dark and gritty. But it's probably because I'm an adult now lol
I belive that there is a scale of how much emotions and the enviroment affect different spells with the forgotten ancient magics being hard to replicate outliners that needs extreme amounts of certain emotions and unique enviroments. On the predictible end of the spectrum we have regular spells that anyone can use like wingardium leviosa which only require precise wand movements and words to use by anyone. Then we have harder spells that require certain emotions and mindsets to cast like the unforgivable curses and the patronus charm, like Voldemort said: "You have to mean it Harry." When Harry failed at casting the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in book five. The unforgivable curses are unforgivable in part because they require horrific sincere intent to wish someone harm, to wish to enslave or to wish for someone to die for the sake of it. Similarly the patronus charm requires good hopeful memories to cast and is therefore hard to use for certain dark wizards that focus to much on cruelty and selfishnes to enjoy the simple happiness in life. There are also potions that require certain emotions to brew. The strongest "love" potion requires romantic obssesion to brew and it is according to Rowling one of the factors behind Voldemort ending up as monsterous as he did, he was conceived from obssesion and coercion not love so it damaged him as a person and then unfortionantly he didn't get the help and love he needed to heal as a child. As Harry said: "You're the weak one, you will newer know love or friendship and I feel sorry for you." Similarly there are theories about Slughorn but not Snape brewing Felix felicis or liquid luck that the secret igredient in the luck potion is that you have to be lucky while making it to trap that luck within the potion otherwise a perfectly brewed potion of liquid luck does nothing since it only releases the brewers existing luck to the drinker and Snape while briliant is not often lucky. Moving to the more hard to predict spells and almost miracles in how unpredictable they are we have phenomenom such as divination where it can be somewhat predicted if a person has the gift or not but the prophecies can't be forced or predicted they just happen. Spells such as the love sacrifice spell cast by Lily Potter to save Harry and later unwittingly cast by Harry when he sacrifices himself in the forbidden forest to kill his scar, it isn't adapted into the movies but afterwards when Voldemort tries to kill a few survivors in the courtyard while showing of Harrys body the spells fail to kill them and they get back up since Harry sacrificed himself to protect his friends that night they where protected that day from voldemort. We also have wizards with regrets ability to leave a ghost behind after they die. There are theories that some inexplicable artifacts are just stronger or more luckily cast regular magical items made in the particularly right circumstances to maximize their strenght. Just like Dumbledore and Grindelwald were the one in millions most gifted wizards of their generation the elder wand could have been made from not just a magical tree suitable for wandmaking but the one in million most magical tree possible in a generation with the maximum potential for wandmaking. The resurection stone could similarly have been made with not just the obssesion to remain in the world for unfinished buisness but the singularly potent obsession strong enough to force others to remain as ghosts since the end of second brothers story is him taking his life to reunite with his beloved he forced to remain as a ghost.
The scene where Harry makes the glass disappear and Dudley falls in the snake exhibit seems to be ancient magic. It shows us perfectly how it works. When we also consider Lily's sacrifice we can guess why it's not taught. It requires primal emotion and goal. The two emotions we know work are hate and love. Hate leads to uncontrollable destruction. We saw Harry regret endangering Dudley's life. Love leads to self sacrifice and the likely death of the caster, as with Lily. Kills people + controlled only thru uncontrollable emotions = best left forgotten. Used for destruction it could taint your soul and risks unintended casualties. Used for good it's highly likely it will result in the death of the caster.
An example of one who uses ancient magic without trying is...the character Domino from Dead Pool 2. Her blood it quite literally liquid luck. Ancient magic is dependent on the resolve of the user, situation, and force potential of the casting. A magic user must be true to their intentions upon casting a spell. Even the simplest mundane incantation can yield an unprecedented and tremendous effect. Ancient magic is like the flow of time... sometimes there are disturbances. A quote from Vandel Hearts.
So, “modern” magic also doesn’t require a wand to operate either. Wandless magic is just harder to wield, but not impossible. In fact, the largest magical school located in Africa, Uagadou, is known for its students being proficient in wandless magic. We also see this in the game, when Natsai Onai transferred to Hogwarts, she had to pick up a wand for the first time. She had already started learning magic without the use of a wand.
To be fair I’d argue that muggles can also wield ancient magic and this in truth may be even why muggle born children are even born, the Dursleys unknowingly wielded ancient magic to protect Harry or rather keep his mothers sacrifice’s magic going.
So, ancient magick is chaos magick. Got it. So, is there any real evidence that Lily was fully aware she was casting an ancient protection charm? And, if yes, where'd she acquire the knowledge?
It's not something you learn, it's something you feel and just do, like when you say "this far no further" and then make it a reality with sacrifice and intention. If you believe and fully commit to it, a sheer act of will. The smallest gestures can effect everything at the precise moment of change. Every witch and wizard was afraid of voldemort, maybe charging the very universe with what they needed most, justice, then he tried to do the unthinkable, and he was told no more. Anyway yoda probably said it best "There is no try, only do or do not"
This power feels like something that's raw and emotionally driven, which in human beings could go wrong in thousands of different ways. But Lily accidentally tapping into that because the one and only thought on her mind in that moment was I need to protect my son
Honestly, feel like it’s called upon unintentionally in times of need. So to my understanding Lily is given a choice by Voldemort to step aside or die and she was given multiple chances. We all know she chose not to had a selflessly gave up her life for Harry she did not care what happened to her as long as her son was OK. Keep in mind she didn’t know she would invoke a ancient protective kind of magic hence why it was called upon unintentionally because she met the requirements for it to be invoked.
I am not a Harry Potter fan but I have read The Magicians. So, in the spirit of a fantasy fan, I think what happened with ancient magic parallels with our world, it is easier to control people who only know algorithms but do not know how to create those algorithms. An example of an algorithm most of us are familiar with is long division. Most people are unable to write out this definition but almost all children can perform the algorithm. The control part comes from some magics being black and hence illegal. So, ancient magic still exists but in formalizing magical education the ability to use was never taught.
It's like Thor and his Hammer... It's easier to use a Wand(and to some extent spell) to direct the energy vs "mind over matter" With a Wand/Spell you are confining the energy to a specific repeatable result. It's much harder to control your emotions and direct the energy without that structure
Ancient magic related to blood magic, .. to chaos .. maybe not as controllable -- also Only a few can do the ancient magic. New logic spell are controllable and ordered, always (except seamus finnegan) tends to give same results ... requires rituals maybe and arcane objects and/or places. Basically ancient magic is very genetic history orientated, wild by its nature, chaotic results and probably also chaotic wild side effects, and needs strong emotions. Chaos with magic imposed upon it becomes order (think traveler in black by john brunner)
Dumbledor literally said the the "magic" used to save harry was love not some over-the-to op thing, simple undying love a mother had for her son when she sacrificed herself in trying to shield Harry. Voldemort didn't really understand a true, pure and honest thing like love because he himself never got any
something entirely used by intuition would be impossible to practice or experiment. it's a mystery by nature. perhaps practical magic draws from the same source and known spells are just bits of ancient magic refined and understood over generations of use. i still wonder how most known spells were discovered or made in the first place.
I would Imagine a master of ancient magic could mop the deck with any modern wizard but as you stated due to its unpredictability and skill issue it was dropped
canon or not doesnt hogwarts legacy kinda hint at and explain why its not well known most of what u said it what the game kinda hinted at and why its more dangerous due to the lack of understanding it as a whole. The unpredictability of it is just the start of it from what i seen
The particular magic that Isadora used is not well understood and dangerous. the general concept of ancient magic is not so misunderstood by the keepers. Isadora would drain people of their emotions and then use those emotions as a boost. She needed a place to store the excess that she drained off from everyone and thus she made the repositories to hold the emotional energy in. She started with the intent to take peoples emotional pain like grief but did not stop there or did not understand all she was taking.
Yes, ancient magic is avoided, because it's unpredictable and sometimes dangerous. Only truly powerful magic users dare to attempt to learn it, let alone master it. It's capable of many things beyond limits of "regular" magic, but price it may ask in exchange can be extreme, including mass human sacrifices.
@@MiningForPies Doesn't mean you won't try, for good or bad. Mysteries of reality itself are in ancient magic, answers to many questions even department of mysteries can't answer.
The ministry banned casting spells in defense against the dark arts because they were afraid of students loyal to Dumbledore raising against them. I think this principle was already applied to the wizarding community with ancient magic for the same reason. If ancient magic is used the ministry wants control of it so it can't be used against them.
I would say its more likely that its just not convenient. It probably takes a lot to learn, where as the masses could just opt for more controllable and easy spells. For the common person, why would you really need it?
I always kinda thought of it as the Eragon books but they use wands and a language instead of just a language. It’s more powerful to not use them but without that ability to control it properly you can destroy the world.
I think the difference would be that ancient magic and modern magic would be like wizard magic vs the force. The force is limited in what you can do and gives sway to emotion but incredibly powerful given its conection to life. But wizard magic is clear and distinctive but lacking in the comparison when it comes to power because you are altering it's natural form.
I think it's a matter of perception. If the magical society has abandoned it, for whatever reason, than it's not lost, just simply forgotten. I don't think it's a finite resource. The Universe has a tendency to balance itself out, whether that look negative or positive. So if it chooses the wizard who wields it, than it would make sense that it's part of an intelligent power that connects all things, therefore it would not burn itself out. Like the ☯️ there must be balance and flow in all things. That's just my theory on it anyway.
I was going to ask about muggleborns and their use of ancient magic but then I remembered Lilly Potter was a muggleborn witch; and I highly doubt she knowingly placed a protection spell on Harry when she died. More likely it was simply self sacrifice which triggered it; it is powerful in our world but directly emphasized by the deep or divine magic (the Fat Friar can be assumed a Christian even as a ghost but the greatest self sacrifice was when Jesus died for us and by God or that older Magic placed a certain protection over existence itself because of how He died) Just my thoughts on it. I like the changing culture theory though, as humans do that across history all the time. It’s not merely an advance in technology but new people learning and putting their piece/spin on it much like how the Roman Empire slowly transitioned over the millennia. Not to mention their incantations are based off of ecclesiastical Latin (which stems directly from the Latin spoken by the Romans) so who knows how much had changed or had been lost before that point. Perhaps the incantations were Greek before (spoken by wizards like Herpo the Foul) or an unknown language that sounded close to ecclesiastical Latin. I know JK Rowling isn’t the biggest fan of history and played with it a lot for her story but the world building she created is beyond fascinating and I wish there was more on earlier wizard history, such as its treatment during the Roman Empire or the early Christians or even before that in the East. Perhaps they had hit a peak during the Achaemenid Empire which slowly degraded after Alexander’s Generals the Diadochi fought amongst themselves, and there was a comeback after the rise of Rome (which time wise would be over 300 years).
What if Voldemort listened to Dumbledore when he applied for the job. Could Dumbledore have helped "Tom" on a path of redemption? Its more than likely that Death Eaters would continue on and "Tom" would have to confront and fight as a mortal with Dumbledore
The magic that Lily used to protect Harry as a baby I doubt was learned or was even aware she was using ancient magic. I theorize that the natural magics that exist in the wizarding world bound itself to lily emotions and final wish to defend her son so kinda just accidentally happened
Magic, at one time, happened. A few noticed, and “felt” it happen. When they found ways to replicate the “NATURAL” magic with intention, incantorial focus, direction by wand, and imagining the outcome, the natural magic was”captured”. The more systematic the magic, the more the natural magic joins the system. But some magic will remain wild. It takes understanding the deeper dimensional powers to draw on that natural magic.
Harry does not seem to be ”wise” with regard to the theoretics of magic usage. He seems to willing to use his talents on an as-needed basis. Now I realize that his usage is based on immediate need and survival, so he does not really have the chance to contemplate on the resulting ramifications of what his choices might bring. And now that he’s become an auror i think things might change, but i really can’t see him becoming a “professor” of anything at this point. He may have incredible powers and abilities, but his inventory of resources, as we see it revealed seems relatively limited to whats at hand at the moment and what he’s comfortable using at the moment of need. I wonder if JKR. is comfortable with that assessment , anybody know?
How about this for a theory, ancient magic is magic without form that gains its effect on the world through intent emotion and connextion to the magic itself... But that same magic can change itself, so what happens when you use ancient magic to produce an effect you like such as repair an object, you try to make it repeat, you think of the effect you want you craft a word and movement you want to allow for the effect and you rip a piece of ancient magic from the world crafting it into a spell, now the magic is set, repeatable, teachable, but some of the raw magic of the world is gone
i think btw with hogwarts legacy, it seems the professor coult not see the red glow, so i also think he could not see the red magic used by ranrok, ranrok may not be able to see it himself, as he stole it from the repository and not his own ability. it maybe the reason why we as player can dodge his attacks, we can see it, others cannot
Not ancient magic. Books say specifically, she "cursed" Bellatrix. Plus anyone that knows anything about harry potter knows there is non-verbal magic. Just because it is non-verbal does not mean it's ancient magic. People will always fantasize about how they want to see what they like. There is what is canon, then there are people that fantasize and cannot separate the two. Would love to hear what J.K.R. would have to say.
Did you know people that the "Time Turner" magic helper tool uses ancient magic? So try start think about this. It gives some interesting filling to this video.🙂
There's an additional possibly i don't think you covered. Ancient magic is immutable. The increase in wizard kind is owed to the systemization and distillation of primordial magic. Those with the propensity for ancient magic have dwindled but that is only because the convention of modern magic was more easily accessible. Our modern society does the very same with all magical expressions. By institutionalizing magic/ art/ music, you create an inner mono- culture and exclude those at both extremes. The tribal understanding is that every member of the community is allowed to participate. I hope this comment has value to someone 😊
My theory is that the founders created Hogwarts with the goal of supressing ancient magic. Maybe it was dangerous among wizards, or maybe it led to exposing in front of muggles or even its harder to defend yourself from witch hunters with intuition and low knowledge. I know the current believe is that they created it to escape/prepare to the witch hunt at that time. And it was for that. But the strategy they choose (for the greater good) was to censor the access to ancient magic, or as in the real world, natural magic. Even being the powerful Its dangerous Ps. Its curious that there is very different kinds of wizards in RPG/fantasy lore. Witches are the ones born with Magic, while Wizards and Magicians are the ones that achieve the USE of magic trough study and cumulation of Knowledge. Sorcerers, Spellcasters and other names are humans that MANIPULATE Magic with spells. It doesnt demands high Knowledge, but practice. While they seem to acces a more organic relationship with magic, they are the most afar from it. Picture this: Lvl 1. Has magic. Its part of their being produced by themselves (witches) Lv. 2. Conquers magic and dominates till its core to be able to use it (wizards) Lvl 3. Play with already existing magic, like a water bender, its a magic bender (sorcerers) All of this to say that witches from the Wizarding world displays hahving both the natural gift of magic and the achievable by knowledge.
You can’t destroy energy you can transform it but it won’t dwindle over time. How would it be the case that the energy of the literal universe is being consumed? And if it’s life energy wouldn’t that mean more primal magic is available?
I feel like ancient magic might have just become more obsolete, and that wizards just found easier and more efficient ways of producing magic and older magic died out, similar to how muggles find new ways to do things that are easier, with technology and science.
they do teach "magic theory"... and that ofcause would cover the basics of ancient magic... like for example useing "feelings" to strenghen your "normal" spellworks... therfor i'd say that "ancient magic" is kind of weaved in to normal every day magic to some degrees.
I don't think so. Wizards are able to cast do magic without wands, it's just not highly practiced in the Hogwarts region. Though, we still see Dumbledore using wandless magic in the Prizoner of Azkaban movie to catch Harry when he fell from his broom after the Dementor attack. Students at Uagadou practice wandless magic as well. Harry just wasn't able to control his magic because he didn't even know he had it. It's why underage wizards do get in trouble for doing magic until they get their wands and start school. They don't have much control.
thinking Pure-bloods may have had a point if ancient magic was based on heritage, that's a good reason for it's start before if became elitism. Also that the schooling system changed the way learning was from maybe apprentices to mass student classes, as said "don't want to be in a room of first years when they're practicing unstable magic". or it may be the foundation for life and we're so many now that it's really thin...
I was under the impression that "ancient magic" is just magic which is not yet understood. Once you get the proper spelling figured out (pun intended), it becomes something you can replicate at will. In ancient times, everything might have been mysterious and whimsical, but modern wizardry is basically a science now. With modern spells, you have to be a lot more specific about what you want, but you also get a lot more specific results. Perhaps less powerful, but much more controlled. Hence the decline of "ancient" magic.
"Ancient magic" is nothing other than true magic. The essence of reality itself, wild and pure (chaos). It cannot be controlled and much less subjected to one's will easy because it is the _will_ itself. To "tap" in ancient magic, the hand (the body), the heart (the spirit) and the mind (the intelligence) must be in balance. These three elements are like the parts of a telescope or microscope. To lock on to a target, whether distant and huge or small and close, its components must be _precisely calibrated_ . I guess people that, even for those capable of using magic, balance is not a common trait, since this state is not within reach of ordinary people. For this reason, ancient magic only manifests itself to those few (maybe gifted / pure?) who cultivate with determination this balance and even then, can only use it on limited occasions, sometimes at great cost due to its wild and world-shaping power.
Magic in HP is mostly just glowing boomsticks. I want magic stopping falling stars. Creating earthquakes, raining fire from sky. Creating pocket worlds. Manipulating souls.
couldn't it just be that the current form of magic and ancient magic is the same they only found reliable ways (Spells, rituals, voodoo, etc) to teach the otherwise unpredictable nature of magic and that now due to there being so much spells there is little to no need to teach unpredictable intuitive ways to use magic.
It was that magic which allowed molly Weasley to beat Bellatrix? Where are you getting that from? Tbh that scene is just giving molly a moment, using a random spell to beat Bellatrix regardless of how eye rolling and unbelievable it is
Why would you assume the magic population raised with the standard? They always had cures for disease and better access to food that held down the population of normal humans.
Ancient magic could be born from a more unique formation of stars in a stellar nursery. More like a type of star needs to come first before our type of star comes.
Jokes aside, I'm pretty sure the Fae (Elves and Goblins) can wield Ancient Magic fairly easily. Dobby knocking Lucious* on his keister, Bogrod glancing at a plain looking key held by a young boy he'd never met yet seeing that all was correct, Goblin vault locks in general. *not a typo 😏
I don't think they left it behind. They don't even know how to use it. The ancient powers aren't something you just use. It happens naturally. Things like a mother lifting a car off her baby are these old powers. Even muggles can use the ancient powers. The ancient powers choose to use the person rather than the person choosing to be used.
This video is a testament to the reason that I completely refrain from using ancient magic in Hogwarts Legacy as I do not believe a mere fifth year is capable of harnessing such a force while remaining uncorrupted by it. Dumbledore himself came to realize the terrible things he was capable of when in possession of such power and refused to allow himself access to such a position as a result of witnessing firsthand who he was capable of becoming while under its influence.
The fact that this series is so old it's approaching a reboot and this man is still putting content out is extremely impressive
And doesn't have paid promotions in. But yeah its amazing
Old?!?!? It’s not that old
@@krazzee628 good 20 years my guy
@@krazzee628 good 20 years my guy
More like fail boot than reboot looking at how it going
I imagine ancient magic wouldn't come easy to people like Hermione, who's very strict and got a very narrow view about how the world works. Whether Luna i think would have an easier time, she's full of wonder and open to the possibilities, she probably wouldn't mind magic doing what it wants.
I agree, it's more akin to sorcery than straight spellcraft, it's primal magic, emotions and power, not the modern standardized magic
@@ConstantChaos1 My guess is that it's more like borrowing power, than using your own, which results in certain "backlash". And more power you borrow that way, more severe backlash gets - to the point it can literally kill witch or wizard, who overestimated their ability.
yeah , she's more open about everything , I feel she understands her emotions better and is just more open to life going its own way
Somehow, ancient magic seems like it would be more procedural than modern standard magic; a far higher degree of variation and far lower degree of predictability.
I suspect that "accidental" magic is related to ancient magic. Something that is systematically suppressed by the Ministry of magic by ensuring everyone capable of magic learns the proper application of magic.
It's just latent magical ability manifesting itself, when young witch or wizard are in too much stress. I do believe that ancient magic is what, basically, creates witches or wizards - it's "magic touch" of universe, that gives newborn witch or wizard their own magic.
@@ceu160193 That's why I think "ancient magic" is basically a misnomer. It's more properly "instinctual magic". Wizards all start with it, to varying minor degrees, but are far more proficient with the more studied "intellectual" magic. Those that can use it as adults tend to be the extremely powerful wizards that can do normal level magic without thinking about it the way normal wizards would have to, and the instinctual nature of it gives far more flexibility than "intellectual" magic can achieve.
So is kinda like learning the of magic of today simultaneously unlearns the magic of the past. Dubious cunning and effective
It sounds to me like Witches and Wizards naturally, unconsciously, shy away from Ancient Magic, in favor of Modern Magic, because Ancient Magic "happens independently of efforts by wizards", representing a degree of control that a wizard must relinquish, and simply trust in the magic, or in other words, "take a leap of faith".
Perhaps Ancient Magic is more closely tied to spiritualism and faith, where Modern Magic is more closely tied to life and the physical world?
Unless a wizard is firmly in control of themselves, they may not be able to fully relax, and "go with the flow", and trust their instincts enough to make use of Ancient Magic.
So like the difference between true gamic and magecraft in the Nasu verse?
@@chriscormac231 I'm sorry, I'm unfamiliar with that universe.
@@sterlingdennett Fate, Grand Order, Tsukihime etc etc
I feel like it could have been that the ' high class ' families in HP started to produce less members with the ability to do ancient magic , so it began to fade due to the families trying to suppress the usage
Ha ha separating spirituality and faith from life shows how brainwashed we've become.
What's interesting is that it's theoretically possible that the hogwarts legacy protagonist is still alive during the first and second wizarding wars. Assuming you were a 5th year and therefore 16 in 1890 they'd only be around 124 in 1998. I'd assume though being a keeper that they'd remain in the shadows.
It's not entirely impossible, Dumbledore was 115 when he died in 1997.
Nah the oldest person ever recorded died at age 122 her name was Jeanne Louise Calment
@@memer7987 the oldest human ever maybe, but it's already been stated that wizards live longer than humans in the lore. About an average of 150 years, assuming they're not killed sooner.
Nicholas flamel was like Nine Fucking Hundred years old when he died so.... @@memer7987
It's possible. Look at Dumbledor - he was about 150 years old when he died.
Here's my theory: Ancient magic is to ordinary magic what ordinary magic is to human science. It's something that transcends the norm, and thus, most wizards can't really grasp, understand, or use, except in the most extreme cases. Not only that, but when they do tap into it, they really only gain a surface level understanding of what it is and what they're doing with it, and thus really can't control it as well as they think, yet become extremely arrogant about their ability.
I think trewlawny's prophecies (and all others) is probably the clearest example
I would love to chat theory with you sometime. Is there a way? I think I may be able to give you some ideas on content and things to cover.
@@jasonwright1687is there a Discord?
Here is a fun little tidbit, the phrase, "Hocus Pocus" actually came from the Latin Roman Catholic Mass at the mass' conclusion when the priest declared, "Hoc est corpus meum!" In English this translates to, "This is my body!" referring to one of the two Eucharistic (Communion) elements (bread and wine). By the time it rattled around in the cathedral, it sounded like, "hocus pocus." Since most parishioners didn't speak Latin, that made (and still makes) sense. During Vatican II (1962-1965), Pope John XXIII declared that mass should be spoken in the people's native tongue. Today, the Latin Mass is rarely said. So there you go...some, "ancient" magic that isn't really all that ancient.
Now do Abra kadabra
@@WhatyourAncestorsknew I do not know that answer. I'll have to go with my childhood and say Bugs Bunny.
Well, I imagine it's considerably more powerful and probably strongly driven by emotion and probably doesn't have the guard rails most of the modern-day spells do
Which would mean fewer and fewer people would be able to master it over the years till it eventually died out. Because if you don't know what you're doing, you're likely to injure yourself and the people you're trying to help
A fanfiction called HPMOR explains the loss of ancient magic by the interdict of Merlin. This interdict states that powerful magic can only be taught from one living mind to another. This way, powerful magic cannot be learned by simply reading ancient books or scrolls. I personally really like this explenation.
Based on Merlin's interdict, HPMOR also goes into why the chamber of secrets is actually called the chamber of 'secrets'. Slitherin circomvented Merlin's interdict by teaching his lore to a basilisk, which could then go on to teach Slitherin's heirs after is own demise.
If they didn't die by simply looking at it.
@@mattt233how did Slithering not die looking at the beast? Did Tom Riddle not die cause he's a horcrux?
@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 Tom was a Horcrux and Salazar, we don't know. He might not have looked at it.
It's an older, more primal magic. It's just not something humans naturally tune in to. In extremis, Lily Potter and Molly Weasley managed it, which passed down some ability to their offspring (possibly even before the event - it doesn't care about details like time). Dumbledore succeeded partially with his link to Fawkes. Hagrid could do it with his links to various creatures. Dobby knew it innately. The only human with a natural aptitude for it was Tom Riddle. Harry acquired an ability for it thanks to his links to his mother and Voldemort.
It is what humans naturally tune in to, it's how they become witch or wizard. But it's not something they can fully control.
i think its divine in origin, and thats why only select few can use it and why its invisible to others
In Hogwarts Legacy, I got the impression that it was more emotional than naturalistic. It's use to control pain, and Ranrok's wrathful outbursts, suggested that the Ancient Magic was tied to the user's emotional core, while more modern magic was tied to knowledge or reason. It also suggested to me that the Ancient Magic was being converted to the more common, practiced magic of the modern age. The same magic was still around, just in a different form.
"It's use to control pain" that was not its initial use, that is the use Isadora made of it, not its intended function
@@Guardian582 It was not the initial use, but the effectiveness with which it effected emotions leads me to believe it's emotionally based in the first place
It's not something you learn, it's something you feel and just do, like when you say "this far no further" and then make it a reality with sacrifice and intention.
If you believe and fully commit to it, a sheer act of will. The smallest gestures can effect everything at the precise moment of change. Every witch and wizard was afraid of voldemort, maybe charging the very universe with what they needed most, justice, then he tried to do the unthinkable, and he was told no more.
Anyway yoda probably said it best "There is no try, only do or do not"
I would have thought that maybe ancient magic would have been covered briefly in the History of Magic class that everyone slept thru, save Hermione
i think ancient magic was highly volatile and without much control, used before the inception of wands wherien the witch or wizard could then focus their magic with a greater accuracy.
For me ancient magics use was very combustable and violent and with the introduction of the statute of secrecy made the use of ancient magic for witches and wizards with their newfound need for secrecy become lessened and lost in turn.
my idea is that ancient magic is divine magic, explains to me why its invisible to most and can only be harnesed by a select few
Ancient magic is tied to the natural world. The changes in society and the practices of people has been detrimental to the discovery, understanding and use of it. Therefore it has become more dangerous due to this lack of knowledge and understanding. The magic is also rather emotionally and spiritually sensitive and will lash out as a result of being hurt. Thus making it dangerous for this reason too.
There was probably an ancient magic chapter in the Divination curiculum. Nothing else in that class worked so ancient maguc would have fit right in
It is possible Ancient Magic may have a kind of Will. In the beginning this Will may have made it easier to use, but over time this Will may have purposely restricted access to the Ancient Magic because it was no longer necessary. Think of Ancient Magic as a kind of training wheels until the Wizards and such learn how to do Magic that is more orderly. In the beginning Ancient Magic may have been extremely dangerous to do, but because of the small population of Wizards the harmful effects were kept to a minimum. Where in the modern world their are a lot of Wizards out there and it is possible that one Wizard's spell could react to another Wizard's spell and cause great damage. When the Wizard population was small their was less chance of causing a World disaster. If a mistake or bad interaction between spells happened in the Ancient past the fallout only affected a much smaller area. Where in modern times with many more Wizards around the World where more Chaotic Ancient Magic spells could interact with each other and then that interacts with another spell and another and another until it possibly becomes a World disaster and not a highly local disaster. So that could be why this Will made access to Ancient Magic so hard because it really wasn't needed. The Modern Magic can still do what Ancient Magic could for the most part, but with more control, repeatable, and safer.
What is the magic of the universe as you were saying is like a muscle of the universe. Since Les is being used, then the power was less but the more people that use it the stronger it gets like a muscle.
I’m not sure magic is finite - I feel , like energy, it cannot be created or destroyed. It’s simply part of the fabric of the universe
The real powerful ancient magic is the friends we make along the way uwu
Ok Dumbledore
That's the ancient power of cringe 😂😂😂
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@banthatracks_gaffisticksNice try, Dom.
@@HarryPotterTheory I have a question. Could someone make the Mirror of Erised into a horcrux? If so what could happen?
You seem to make it like having a genie granting wishes. So this means magic goes to the path of least resistance to achieve a goal. Reminds of the monkey paw.
Thank you my friend for this video has created a spark in my mind that led to me creating an entire fantasy universe based off of a magic system. In reality, it was only one sentence that did all this, but it was already in the first 10 seconds of the video and it led me down a rabbit hole of ideas and thoughts and everything and now I have a basically full-fledged magic system in a half-assed universe that I will need to build out. But it's a starting point and in a way you sent me here. So thank you.
Edit: Corrected "metric system" to "magic system".
Voice typing sucks sometimes :D
If it is like many other fantasy magic systems, modern magic is likely based on ancient magic but uses a range of enchantments and tools to regulate and focus that ancient magic into a reliable outcome. This would partially explain the pureblood mentality with the original wizards placing now lost enchantments on their bloodlines to allow them to better harness magic.
After viewing the program, the question "What is ancient magic" is about as clear as mud. Especially troubling is the theory that ancient magic is a non renewable resource. Is ancient magic limited only to Earth? Or is it a widespread force that is the Universe?
Why wouldn’t “ancient” magic be akin to the life force? It’s innately within us. We are not running out of life force - but regarding innate magic, you either have it, or you don’t. To me, it’s like a secret well that most don’t know how to access, but it’s still there.
I've started integrating Ancient Magic into my hp fanfic, and decided to make its principle wielders the Veela (namely, their allure and other abilities, as in my fic, they're pure, no hybrids with humans)
I'm thinking about the unforgivable curses and that you have to "mean" it to use them. Magic seems to me always to be a combination of will and emotion, bound by words and focused with a wand, so it becomes reality. "Ancient Magic" leaned for me deeper into the emotional side and that connection to your suroundings, than "School magic". Even witches and wizards did become more detached to nature and everything connecting with it, so it would be plausible they are also loosing their connection to this old tree of magic. And yes, you also need to have a certain genetical trait - which also very much could be caused by said magic itself.
Ancient magic isn't a thing that was regularly harnessed centuries before the potter storyline, it's merely describing magic that last longer than standard magic and that harnesses the emotion of the spell caster. Hogwarts was made by Ancient magic, azkaban, lily potters charm, and molly weasleys charm. All made with emotion. Compassion made hohwarts, the founders wishing to harbour vulnerable wizards and teach them magic, intense suffering and hatred created azkaban and the dementers, love protected Harry and killed bellatrix.
Calling it Ancient magic doesn't make it old. And the only reason we don't see lots of it any more is people today aren't not in control of their emotions as much, or cast a spell with the intent or emotion they once might’ve.
Harry making the Snake glass disappear, making that aunt a balloon. Is that ancient magic?
In your next video please repeat each point three more times. The three times you did so in this video wasn't enough.
True enchantment, not just temporary augmentation, such as the maruaders map, is a prime example of ancient magic.
I know my knowledge has gaps but I suspect there’s an element of sacrifice (or willing or unwilling) in ancient magic. The most obvious example is Lily Potter but in each example you can understand that something is taken or sacrificed or exchanged…your own life with the Veil, the duelists opponent with the Wand, Dumbledore and Grindlewalds actual blood. I know it’s pretty much headcannon but I really like the idea that, to paraphrase GRRM, “[old] magic has a cost,” and that “it’s a sword without a hilt.”
Who wants a trilogy with the original 4 house wizards?!?! MEEEEEEEE! Rated R of course! Brutal magic. Immense darkness and fear. A heavy story from that time period!
That would remove three quarters of the audience
@Bilski86 sounds good to me
They'll just cast a load of black people in it
@@LuBuZu89 one of the single greatest book series of all times? Followed by 8 movies that were very well received.
Making it rated r would be so weird. Like making Deadpool pg
If you want rated R Harry Potter watch the magicians 😆
@Bilski86 good point! Hmmm yea. I think since I'm older now and been a huge fan from reading the books I want something more dark and gritty. But it's probably because I'm an adult now lol
Talk about the Russian wizards and their no wand or spell ability to practice magic
Awesome as always thanks ❤
Ohhh I really like this theory....good job!!!
I belive that there is a scale of how much emotions and the enviroment affect different spells with the forgotten ancient magics being hard to replicate outliners that needs extreme amounts of certain emotions and unique enviroments. On the predictible end of the spectrum we have regular spells that anyone can use like wingardium leviosa which only require precise wand movements and words to use by anyone.
Then we have harder spells that require certain emotions and mindsets to cast like the unforgivable curses and the patronus charm, like Voldemort said: "You have to mean it Harry." When Harry failed at casting the cruciatus curse on Bellatrix in book five. The unforgivable curses are unforgivable in part because they require horrific sincere intent to wish someone harm, to wish to enslave or to wish for someone to die for the sake of it. Similarly the patronus charm requires good hopeful memories to cast and is therefore hard to use for certain dark wizards that focus to much on cruelty and selfishnes to enjoy the simple happiness in life.
There are also potions that require certain emotions to brew. The strongest "love" potion requires romantic obssesion to brew and it is according to Rowling one of the factors behind Voldemort ending up as monsterous as he did, he was conceived from obssesion and coercion not love so it damaged him as a person and then unfortionantly he didn't get the help and love he needed to heal as a child. As Harry said: "You're the weak one, you will newer know love or friendship and I feel sorry for you." Similarly there are theories about Slughorn but not Snape brewing Felix felicis or liquid luck that the secret igredient in the luck potion is that you have to be lucky while making it to trap that luck within the potion otherwise a perfectly brewed potion of liquid luck does nothing since it only releases the brewers existing luck to the drinker and Snape while briliant is not often lucky.
Moving to the more hard to predict spells and almost miracles in how unpredictable they are we have phenomenom such as divination where it can be somewhat predicted if a person has the gift or not but the prophecies can't be forced or predicted they just happen. Spells such as the love sacrifice spell cast by Lily Potter to save Harry and later unwittingly cast by Harry when he sacrifices himself in the forbidden forest to kill his scar, it isn't adapted into the movies but afterwards when Voldemort tries to kill a few survivors in the courtyard while showing of Harrys body the spells fail to kill them and they get back up since Harry sacrificed himself to protect his friends that night they where protected that day from voldemort. We also have wizards with regrets ability to leave a ghost behind after they die.
There are theories that some inexplicable artifacts are just stronger or more luckily cast regular magical items made in the particularly right circumstances to maximize their strenght. Just like Dumbledore and Grindelwald were the one in millions most gifted wizards of their generation the elder wand could have been made from not just a magical tree suitable for wandmaking but the one in million most magical tree possible in a generation with the maximum potential for wandmaking. The resurection stone could similarly have been made with not just the obssesion to remain in the world for unfinished buisness but the singularly potent obsession strong enough to force others to remain as ghosts since the end of second brothers story is him taking his life to reunite with his beloved he forced to remain as a ghost.
The scene where Harry makes the glass disappear and Dudley falls in the snake exhibit seems to be ancient magic. It shows us perfectly how it works. When we also consider Lily's sacrifice we can guess why it's not taught.
It requires primal emotion and goal. The two emotions we know work are hate and love. Hate leads to uncontrollable destruction. We saw Harry regret endangering Dudley's life. Love leads to self sacrifice and the likely death of the caster, as with Lily.
Kills people + controlled only thru uncontrollable emotions = best left forgotten. Used for destruction it could taint your soul and risks unintended casualties. Used for good it's highly likely it will result in the death of the caster.
Great job ❤❤❤
Ancient magick to me is “plot armor”
An example of one who uses ancient magic without trying is...the character Domino from Dead Pool 2. Her blood it quite literally liquid luck. Ancient magic is dependent on the resolve of the user, situation, and force potential of the casting. A magic user must be true to their intentions upon casting a spell. Even the simplest mundane incantation can yield an unprecedented and tremendous effect. Ancient magic is like the flow of time... sometimes there are disturbances. A quote from Vandel Hearts.
So, “modern” magic also doesn’t require a wand to operate either. Wandless magic is just harder to wield, but not impossible. In fact, the largest magical school located in Africa, Uagadou, is known for its students being proficient in wandless magic. We also see this in the game, when Natsai Onai transferred to Hogwarts, she had to pick up a wand for the first time. She had already started learning magic without the use of a wand.
To be fair I’d argue that muggles can also wield ancient magic and this in truth may be even why muggle born children are even born, the Dursleys unknowingly wielded ancient magic to protect Harry or rather keep his mothers sacrifice’s magic going.
So, ancient magick is chaos magick. Got it. So, is there any real evidence that Lily was fully aware she was casting an ancient protection charm? And, if yes, where'd she acquire the knowledge?
She found her knowledge in the library, much like Hermione.
It's not something you learn, it's something you feel and just do, like when you say "this far no further" and then make it a reality with sacrifice and intention.
If you believe and fully commit to it, a sheer act of will. The smallest gestures can effect everything at the precise moment of change. Every witch and wizard was afraid of voldemort, maybe charging the very universe with what they needed most, justice, then he tried to do the unthinkable, and he was told no more.
Anyway yoda probably said it best "There is no try, only do or do not"
This power feels like something that's raw and emotionally driven, which in human beings could go wrong in thousands of different ways. But Lily accidentally tapping into that because the one and only thought on her mind in that moment was I need to protect my son
Honestly, feel like it’s called upon unintentionally in times of need. So to my understanding Lily is given a choice by Voldemort to step aside or die and she was given multiple chances. We all know she chose not to had a selflessly gave up her life for Harry she did not care what happened to her as long as her son was OK. Keep in mind she didn’t know she would invoke a ancient protective kind of magic hence why it was called upon unintentionally because she met the requirements for it to be invoked.
It's primal magic, uncontrolled magic, it's when you give power to an emotion, and let it do its thing
Good essay!
In some ways the ancient magic in Harry Potter reminds me a bit of the "deep magic" in "The lion, the witch and the wardrobe".
I am not a Harry Potter fan but I have read The Magicians. So, in the spirit of a fantasy fan, I think what happened with ancient magic parallels with our world, it is easier to control people who only know algorithms but do not know how to create those algorithms. An example of an algorithm most of us are familiar with is long division. Most people are unable to write out this definition but almost all children can perform the algorithm. The control part comes from some magics being black and hence illegal. So, ancient magic still exists but in formalizing magical education the ability to use was never taught.
What if in this universe, to learn, understand and master ancient magic, modern magic could be used as a stepping stone?
I would like a video about "parselmouth?" And if the snake harry talked to in the movie was an actual snake or a shape shifter of sorts.
It's like Thor and his Hammer...
It's easier to use a Wand(and to some extent spell) to direct the energy vs "mind over matter"
With a Wand/Spell you are confining the energy to a specific repeatable result.
It's much harder to control your emotions and direct the energy without that structure
Ancient magic related to blood magic, .. to chaos .. maybe not as controllable -- also Only a few can do the ancient magic. New logic spell are controllable and ordered, always (except seamus finnegan) tends to give same results ... requires rituals maybe and arcane objects and/or places. Basically ancient magic is very genetic history orientated, wild by its nature, chaotic results and probably also chaotic wild side effects, and needs strong emotions. Chaos with magic imposed upon it becomes order (think traveler in black by john brunner)
Dumbledor literally said the the "magic" used to save harry was love not some over-the-to op thing, simple undying love a mother had for her son when she sacrificed herself in trying to shield Harry. Voldemort didn't really understand a true, pure and honest thing like love because he himself never got any
I definitely have more questions
Go on!
something entirely used by intuition would be impossible to practice or experiment. it's a mystery by nature. perhaps practical magic draws from the same source and known spells are just bits of ancient magic refined and understood over generations of use. i still wonder how most known spells were discovered or made in the first place.
I would Imagine a master of ancient magic could mop the deck with any modern wizard but as you stated due to its unpredictability and skill issue it was dropped
canon or not doesnt hogwarts legacy kinda hint at and explain why its not well known most of what u said it what the game kinda hinted at and why its more dangerous due to the lack of understanding it as a whole. The unpredictability of it is just the start of it from what i seen
The particular magic that Isadora used is not well understood and dangerous. the general concept of ancient magic is not so misunderstood by the keepers. Isadora would drain people of their emotions and then use those emotions as a boost. She needed a place to store the excess that she drained off from everyone and thus she made the repositories to hold the emotional energy in. She started with the intent to take peoples emotional pain like grief but did not stop there or did not understand all she was taking.
Yes, ancient magic is avoided, because it's unpredictable and sometimes dangerous. Only truly powerful magic users dare to attempt to learn it, let alone master it. It's capable of many things beyond limits of "regular" magic, but price it may ask in exchange can be extreme, including mass human sacrifices.
I don’t think you can master it.
@@MiningForPies Doesn't mean you won't try, for good or bad. Mysteries of reality itself are in ancient magic, answers to many questions even department of mysteries can't answer.
The ministry banned casting spells in defense against the dark arts because they were afraid of students loyal to Dumbledore raising against them. I think this principle was already applied to the wizarding community with ancient magic for the same reason. If ancient magic is used the ministry wants control of it so it can't be used against them.
I would say its more likely that its just not convenient. It probably takes a lot to learn, where as the masses could just opt for more controllable and easy spells. For the common person, why would you really need it?
I always kinda thought of it as the Eragon books but they use wands and a language instead of just a language. It’s more powerful to not use them but without that ability to control it properly you can destroy the world.
I think the difference would be that ancient magic and modern magic would be like wizard magic vs the force. The force is limited in what you can do and gives sway to emotion but incredibly powerful given its conection to life. But wizard magic is clear and distinctive but lacking in the comparison when it comes to power because you are altering it's natural form.
I think it's a matter of perception. If the magical society has abandoned it, for whatever reason, than it's not lost, just simply forgotten. I don't think it's a finite resource. The Universe has a tendency to balance itself out, whether that look negative or positive. So if it chooses the wizard who wields it, than it would make sense that it's part of an intelligent power that connects all things, therefore it would not burn itself out. Like the ☯️ there must be balance and flow in all things. That's just my theory on it anyway.
I was going to ask about muggleborns and their use of ancient magic but then I remembered Lilly Potter was a muggleborn witch; and I highly doubt she knowingly placed a protection spell on Harry when she died. More likely it was simply self sacrifice which triggered it; it is powerful in our world but directly emphasized by the deep or divine magic (the Fat Friar can be assumed a Christian even as a ghost but the greatest self sacrifice was when Jesus died for us and by God or that older Magic placed a certain protection over existence itself because of how He died)
Just my thoughts on it. I like the changing culture theory though, as humans do that across history all the time. It’s not merely an advance in technology but new people learning and putting their piece/spin on it much like how the Roman Empire slowly transitioned over the millennia.
Not to mention their incantations are based off of ecclesiastical Latin (which stems directly from the Latin spoken by the Romans) so who knows how much had changed or had been lost before that point. Perhaps the incantations were Greek before (spoken by wizards like Herpo the Foul) or an unknown language that sounded close to ecclesiastical Latin. I know JK Rowling isn’t the biggest fan of history and played with it a lot for her story but the world building she created is beyond fascinating and I wish there was more on earlier wizard history, such as its treatment during the Roman Empire or the early Christians or even before that in the East. Perhaps they had hit a peak during the Achaemenid Empire which slowly degraded after Alexander’s Generals the Diadochi fought amongst themselves, and there was a comeback after the rise of Rome (which time wise would be over 300 years).
What if Voldemort listened to Dumbledore when he applied for the job. Could Dumbledore have helped "Tom" on a path of redemption?
Its more than likely that Death Eaters would continue on and "Tom" would have to confront and fight as a mortal with Dumbledore
It's ironic that wand crafting, being what enables the use of magic, is a dying craft because it requires ancient magic.
I would imagine it was all in the restricted part of the library.
The magic that Lily used to protect Harry as a baby I doubt was learned or was even aware she was using ancient magic. I theorize that the natural magics that exist in the wizarding world bound itself to lily emotions and final wish to defend her son so kinda just accidentally happened
Magic, at one time, happened. A few noticed, and “felt” it happen. When they found ways to replicate the “NATURAL” magic with intention, incantorial focus, direction by wand, and imagining the outcome, the natural magic was”captured”. The more systematic the magic, the more the natural magic joins the system. But some magic will remain wild. It takes understanding the deeper dimensional powers to draw on that natural magic.
The underlying plot of Little Witch Academia kinda explores a lot of what you were talking about here.
Harry does not seem to be ”wise” with regard to the theoretics of magic usage. He seems to willing to use his talents on an as-needed basis. Now I realize that his usage is based on immediate need and survival, so he does not really have the chance to contemplate on the resulting ramifications of what his choices might bring. And now that he’s become an auror i think things might change, but i really can’t see him becoming a “professor” of anything at this point. He may have incredible powers and abilities, but his inventory of resources, as we see it revealed seems relatively limited to whats at hand at the moment and what he’s comfortable using at the moment of need. I wonder if JKR. is comfortable with that assessment , anybody know?
How about this for a theory, ancient magic is magic without form that gains its effect on the world through intent emotion and connextion to the magic itself... But that same magic can change itself, so what happens when you use ancient magic to produce an effect you like such as repair an object, you try to make it repeat, you think of the effect you want you craft a word and movement you want to allow for the effect and you rip a piece of ancient magic from the world crafting it into a spell, now the magic is set, repeatable, teachable, but some of the raw magic of the world is gone
i think btw with hogwarts legacy, it seems the professor coult not see the red glow, so i also think he could not see the red magic used by ranrok, ranrok may not be able to see it himself, as he stole it from the repository and not his own ability. it maybe the reason why we as player can dodge his attacks, we can see it, others cannot
Not ancient magic. Books say specifically, she "cursed" Bellatrix. Plus anyone that knows anything about harry potter knows there is non-verbal magic. Just because it is non-verbal does not mean it's ancient magic. People will always fantasize about how they want to see what they like. There is what is canon, then there are people that fantasize and cannot separate the two. Would love to hear what J.K.R. would have to say.
Did you know people that the "Time Turner" magic helper tool uses ancient magic? So try start think about this. It gives some interesting filling to this video.🙂
There's an additional possibly i don't think you covered.
Ancient magic is immutable.
The increase in wizard kind is owed to the systemization and distillation of primordial magic.
Those with the propensity for ancient magic have dwindled but that is only because the convention of modern magic was more easily accessible.
Our modern society does the very same with all magical expressions. By institutionalizing magic/ art/ music, you create an inner mono- culture and exclude those at both extremes. The tribal understanding is that every member of the community is allowed to participate.
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My theory is that the founders created Hogwarts with the goal of supressing ancient magic. Maybe it was dangerous among wizards, or maybe it led to exposing in front of muggles or even its harder to defend yourself from witch hunters with intuition and low knowledge.
I know the current believe is that they created it to escape/prepare to the witch hunt at that time. And it was for that.
But the strategy they choose (for the greater good) was to censor the access to ancient magic, or as in the real world, natural magic. Even being the powerful
Its dangerous
Ps. Its curious that there is very different kinds of wizards in RPG/fantasy lore. Witches are the ones born with Magic, while Wizards and Magicians are the ones that achieve the USE of magic trough study and cumulation of Knowledge.
Sorcerers, Spellcasters and other names are humans that MANIPULATE Magic with spells. It doesnt demands high Knowledge, but practice. While they seem to acces a more organic relationship with magic, they are the most afar from it.
Picture this:
Lvl 1. Has magic. Its part of their being produced by themselves (witches)
Lv. 2. Conquers magic and dominates till its core to be able to use it (wizards)
Lvl 3. Play with already existing magic, like a water bender, its a magic bender (sorcerers)
All of this to say that witches from the Wizarding world displays hahving both the natural gift of magic and the achievable by knowledge.
You can’t destroy energy you can transform it but it won’t dwindle over time. How would it be the case that the energy of the literal universe is being consumed? And if it’s life energy wouldn’t that mean more primal magic is available?
You can have energy that is constantly tapped though, so persist magic could affect the remaining magic budget in the area.
How many of you believe in real magic? Just curious?🤔
It sounds like it is hard to tape into it and even harder to focus it so they made new ways of tapping into magic that was easier to use.
I feel like ancient magic might have just become more obsolete, and that wizards just found easier and more efficient ways of producing magic and older magic died out, similar to how muggles find new ways to do things that are easier, with technology and science.
they do teach "magic theory"... and that ofcause would cover the basics of ancient magic... like for example useing "feelings" to strenghen your "normal" spellworks... therfor i'd say that "ancient magic" is kind of weaved in to normal every day magic to some degrees.
I wonder if Harry's magical outbursts as a kid before he went to Hogwarts are considered ancient magic? They fit the description.
I don't think so. Wizards are able to cast do magic without wands, it's just not highly practiced in the Hogwarts region. Though, we still see Dumbledore using wandless magic in the Prizoner of Azkaban movie to catch Harry when he fell from his broom after the Dementor attack. Students at Uagadou practice wandless magic as well. Harry just wasn't able to control his magic because he didn't even know he had it. It's why underage wizards do get in trouble for doing magic until they get their wands and start school. They don't have much control.
thinking Pure-bloods may have had a point if ancient magic was based on heritage, that's a good reason for it's start before if became elitism. Also that the schooling system changed the way learning was from maybe apprentices to mass student classes, as said "don't want to be in a room of first years when they're practicing unstable magic". or it may be the foundation for life and we're so many now that it's really thin...
The cosmos is enormously big. If magic taps out of the cosmos, you can say there will be enough for eternity.
"Everything is love".
Now walk and wonder...
Dang ! That too?
Na , couldn't be. 😅
I wonder, what do wizards think about atomic bombs?
I was under the impression that "ancient magic" is just magic which is not yet understood. Once you get the proper spelling figured out (pun intended), it becomes something you can replicate at will.
In ancient times, everything might have been mysterious and whimsical, but modern wizardry is basically a science now.
With modern spells, you have to be a lot more specific about what you want, but you also get a lot more specific results. Perhaps less powerful, but much more controlled. Hence the decline of "ancient" magic.
"Ancient magic" is nothing other than true magic. The essence of reality itself, wild and pure (chaos). It cannot be controlled and much less subjected to one's will easy because it is the _will_ itself.
To "tap" in ancient magic, the hand (the body), the heart (the spirit) and the mind (the intelligence) must be in balance. These three elements are like the parts of a telescope or microscope. To lock on to a target, whether distant and huge or small and close, its components must be _precisely calibrated_ . I guess people that, even for those capable of using magic, balance is not a common trait, since this state is not within reach of ordinary people. For this reason, ancient magic only manifests itself to those few (maybe gifted / pure?) who cultivate with determination this balance and even then, can only use it on limited occasions, sometimes at great cost due to its wild and world-shaping power.
Magic in HP is mostly just glowing boomsticks. I want magic stopping falling stars. Creating earthquakes, raining fire from sky. Creating pocket worlds. Manipulating souls.
couldn't it just be that the current form of magic and ancient magic is the same they only found reliable ways (Spells, rituals, voodoo, etc) to teach the otherwise unpredictable nature of magic and that now due to there being so much spells there is little to no need to teach unpredictable intuitive ways to use magic.
It was that magic which allowed molly Weasley to beat Bellatrix? Where are you getting that from? Tbh that scene is just giving molly a moment, using a random spell to beat Bellatrix regardless of how eye rolling and unbelievable it is
Why would you assume the magic population raised with the standard? They always had cures for disease and better access to food that held down the population of normal humans.
Ancient magic could be born from a more unique formation of stars in a stellar nursery. More like a type of star needs to come first before our type of star comes.
Xylomancy? Isn't that like magical casting with a marimba?
Jokes aside, I'm pretty sure the Fae (Elves and Goblins) can wield Ancient Magic fairly easily. Dobby knocking Lucious* on his keister, Bogrod glancing at a plain looking key held by a young boy he'd never met yet seeing that all was correct, Goblin vault locks in general.
*not a typo 😏
IN SOME CASES BEING
A WITCH / WIZARD ISN'T
NECCARALY HEREDITARY
FOR EXAMPLE
HERMIONE HER PARENTS
WERE NOT WIZARD+ A WITCH
So if Lily's sacrifice was a form of ancient magic, would the Hogwarts Legacy player character be able to see traces of it around Harry?
I don't think they left it behind. They don't even know how to use it. The ancient powers aren't something you just use. It happens naturally. Things like a mother lifting a car off her baby are these old powers. Even muggles can use the ancient powers. The ancient powers choose to use the person rather than the person choosing to be used.
So, ancient magic is basically "instinct magic" and probably developed in ancient wizardkind as a survival method.
This video is a testament to the reason that I completely refrain from using ancient magic in Hogwarts Legacy as I do not believe a mere fifth year is capable of harnessing such a force while remaining uncorrupted by it. Dumbledore himself came to realize the terrible things he was capable of when in possession of such power and refused to allow himself access to such a position as a result of witnessing firsthand who he was capable of becoming while under its influence.