Let's be real here. There's simply so much BS in shadowland's story that I just couldn't fit all of it, I already had to scrap tons from the script so it wouldn't be like a 20 minute video lmao Also kinda miss the Jailer now honestly, after all the connection i've built with him through my videos :(
Baine is seriously considering a career switch to being a friendly npc Elden Ring. Friendly npcs never survive in Souls games, that’s how desperate he is.
Well from what I learned blizzard like Disney Star Wars wanted to distance as much as possible from their legacy and most successful things so the new writers can "invent" things on their own... Which seems in both cases failed miserably.....
@@darthwolfius7746the developers of todays really forget that Arthas and the Lich King is one if not the most iconic Character in wow,and as much they want to get away from Arthas leagacy they literaly made arthas 2.0 in anduin but he dosen't remain corrupted,they run circle around him
*On top of that, it seems to me that the model of that crown already existed... they just took the model of a generic helmet that already existed in the game and put it as ''THE NEW REFORGED CROWN''...* If they were going to use an existing model it is quite ridiculous and pathetic how they did not EVEN bother to take the existing model of a better crown/helmet, there being several better options...
@@papayadaichou6544 Maw walker! You need to learn to fly with flappy bird! It is an invaluable learning lesson on your way to getting in your good graces and accessing that soulbind power you want! *we do need our entertainment* 🥴
Trust me, we all needed a minute after witnessing the helm get turned into a normal green Probably the most emotion I felt all expansion, and not for the right reason.
I sat this one out after BFA....please...PLEASE tell me that didn't really happen to the Helm, please tell me this was just a very fitting joke for the video. *PLEASE!!!!! Say it ain't so!*
@@feywinterfox9630 nope it happened, not only that but they had the audacity to drag Arthas out just to be smack talked by Sylvanas as if she doesn't know first hand how domination magic works and give him zero dialouge.
@@feywinterfox9630 by the way Uther and Jaina were there and said nothing to him, his former lover and former mentor who knew how much he suffered trying to control the scourge said nothing.
Imagine taking one of the most - If not THE most iconic piece of equipment in all gaming history, next to master chief's helmet and Frostmourne - and then turn it into a piece of gear from trial of valor.
I thought it looked like a level 38 helmet from Classic WoW. One of those weird mail helmets that has strength and spirit on it. A warrior wears for 3 levels then replaces with a proper plate helmet.
That was almost the best part of the video, but it was the Jaina rant that totally undone me and I laughed uncontrollably when the camera did a close up of the blue angel’s face. Just something about it set me off.
Last line of the book: "There, [Sylvanas] will lay low until the toxic haters are satisfied, until she dramatically returns to us!" The darkest of prophecies.
I mean, can you blame him? He saw what the writers were doing to the other characters. Sitting around all expansion was the best thing that ever happened to him after BfA.
I'm laughing for about 2min right now. The disappointment of all community has been passed in this line in a way that cannot be ignored lol "i need a FUCKING minute. Why they keep doing this. It looks like a FUCKING burger king crown, man!" LMAO
The Pure Genius moment is the portrait of Arthas falling in the growing fire in the background. They basically broke the fourth wall when they had Sylvanas tell us to forget about Arthas. It felt like THE DEVS saying it to the PLAYERS. "Forget that old WoW you THINK you like." Was just as bad as what Kevin Smith did with He-Man.
The Varien scene with Anduin actually did make me have some feels, then Saurfang showed up and I was confused. He had some talks, but I didnt think they would build that much of a connection.
I hate that they put saurfang in it because his soul was in the sword because he died with it and I was thinking wasn't variens soul destroyed when guldan killed him lmao and then they killed arthas the fuckin best character in wow with a WHISPER WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD
I think you should have included the Arthas soul fragment scene. Jaina: "Oh it is the last soul fragment of the love of my life. Who kept the scourge in check, constantly fighting against the lichking. Who even kept a keepsake to remember me. I certainly will have a final heart to heart with him!" Uther: "Yes. And I will so too. I was his mentor after all and yeeted him into the maw. Ofcourse there will be a lot to talk with him." Player: "Oh I can not wait to see these 3 finally have a real heart to heart! Maybe this will make this whole expansion worth it!" ... Sylvanas: "Your legacy is at an end. Begone arthas. May the last wisper of your name fade and be forgotten." Jaina and Uther: "OkAy ThEn!" *Both walk away and leave the player gobsmacked.*
Im not saying that was the same level of monumental f-up as not having Han, Leia and Luke on a screen together in the Disney trilogy, but... ngl, pretty close.
Yeah that was bs,i cant belive they desecrated the story of one of their best characters in game with that garbage ,better off if we never saw him in the entire expansion and leave him alone.
"You exchanged like 10 lines together" "That's more contact that i've ever have with Saurfang Jr" And half these lines were with his son's dead body. Father of the year !
I just ran through the shadowlands plot after discovering these videos about shadowlands, the entire thing became a comedy skit with lots of inappropriate emotes, Uther got many a headpats when he was being sad, kinda made his whole redemption much more satirical and wholesome, roleplaying with the story is mandatory imo, it really makes everything more grounded when you can immerse yourself into the situation without taking anything seriously, which I find works very well when we got such a high stakes concept with whatever the hell zereth mortis or whatever is supposed to be, I feel like Ezio Auditore is about to come assasinate me after I accidentally find the Apple of gold or whatever it was
@@Elenrai Right?? I felt the same way when I went through the storyline of Uther pleading Jaina to "accept" Sylvanas. Laughed hysterically "Oh, okay Uther. -sideways eyes-"
Ruined? This Jailer has a WAY Better Personality than anything the...Forbidden Wow Expansion's Jailer had, seriously. he's actually funny, unlike the real one. XD
@@godlygamer911 Yes cuz of it's PVE being good. The community was literally starved for good content after WoD, that's why a semi-decent expansion was looked at more favorably than it should've. The PVP community still hated it because it had that awful pvp scaling system where a brand new character can fight on equal terms with your main just because your gear doesn't matter. You know, the POINT of an mmorpg, your gear, the shit you grind for fucking weeks - and it doesn't matter cuz dumbo and mumbo made a druid and rogue and are teabagging you in arenas because their classes are broken and they're still in greens on top of that. So, if you were a PVPer, the game was still shit, and most oldschool players are pvpers, since THAT was the endgame of wow for a long time. You went to raids to get gear to help you in pvp. Now it's just raiding for it's own sake, and then doing nothing with said gear except raid some more, which is utterly boring. WoW has been dead for it's true players since MoP at least.
@@stankobarabata2406 I have played since day one and have several gladiator mounts... I know very few people outside of mediocre. That didn't enjoy legion 🤣
I paused to read the page at roughly the 5:05 mark, and I can appreciate the venom and snark present in every sentence. Thank you once again, Captain Grim.
Counter argument: Those emails justifying the writing teams continued employment must be absolutely amazing reads, clearly there is some good story telling skills lurking deep down when they really need it.
The LEAST embarrassing thing Blizz could do at this point is say “oops! it was all a bad dream!” and just have the entirety of Shadowlands turn out to be a weird long hallucination the player characters are collectively having in the middle of the Nya’lotha raid. Just pull a ‘season 9 of Dallas’ on everyone.
I died at the Burger King crown line. That's exactly how I felt. I was super excited to see the helm become even cooler, and then it turned out like that. Knife in the chest, Blizz. :(
Still mad about Tirion. Tied into pre-WoW lore, had a book or two, lived quiet in WoW for a few years before returning to glory and continuing the legacy of the Ashbringer and helped conclude the Arthas storyline. Killed to some no-name demon.
Why do you even play it? People pay to play the game, spend their whole lives in it and then complain it's garbonzo. Just fucking quit like the rest of us.
@@MajinBuusni do you know the amount of people who hates league of legends with a passion and yet they can't quit? That's happening to wow players, not that we hate the game but how is handled, I've tried several games but I always get back to wow
I just can't stop laughing at the Primus's facial expressions it makes such a good contrast to the player's reaction. Primus is so proud of his creation into befuddelment and worry 🤣 Props to Grim for his amazing work animating these models once again 👏
Steve Danuser needs to be fired, no question about it. From a business perspective, it shouldn't be hard to notice that WoW players like the lore and history of the old content, and that when all of that is muddied, it assists in giving them a reason to unsubscribe. This dude undid a bunch of lore so that Sylvanas can have blue eyeballs and call herself good. They need to fire Steve Danuser. Any writer could make something more consistent.
nah nah it was _clearly_ all Afrowasabi's fault, even after he left the company he snuck back in to Blizzard HQ through the restroom window and changed the script like he is the mother fuckin' grinch stealing christmas.
100% agreed. Fire or relegated to the back seat. He shouldn’t have any say over future stories or lore it’s kinda criminal what he’s done to the lore :/
I've literally never seen a guy more determined to destroy his predecessor's work than Danloser. I'm worried how he'll handle the dragons next, I can take a guess tho he'll kill off Nozdormu and replace him as aspect with chromie because he doesn't know the lore and forgot Anachronos exists or just retcon Anachronos out of existence since that's his thing these days.
Haven't watched or played any WoW in the past year or so, but holy shit the "Burger King Crown" had he gasping for air. This is a fucking master piece! I haven't laughed this hard in literally months - THANK YOU GRIM! ❤
Remember guys, when people defend danuser by saying he only had the scraps to work with; its an authors skill and job, that makes a story good, not the premise. You can make a boring, bad idea, into an increadible story if your a skilled writer. . . . Dansuer & Co dont have that. Good luck in dragonblight, you'll need it.
I just hate how they keep trying to unbury the past. Uther’s back, there was a lingering part of Arthas *again*, and Sylv gets yet another second chance arc. Dragonflight looking generic is almost a relief. Maybe Garrosh and Varian won’t even come back from the dead.
Danuser is one of the biggest hacks at Blizzard, I wish I could suck at my job and still get paid, there's no chance at all he's going to do Dragonflight right.
If you listen to Sylvannas' monologue to Arthas, it's pretty clear that the WoW writing team is just directly speaking about Arthas and Wc3, with people who kept bringing it up and wanting to see them or that level of writing return. Now it's done and gone, may nobody remember their legacy. Otherwise what she's saying makes no sense, because she knows he was just being controlled by the jailer, like Anduin, and like she supposedly was. Also Elune accidentally sending everyone to mega-hell to be tortured until their souls disitengrated was pretty hilarious. Hope Sylvannas brought a dustpan!
Venthyr: Oh by the way, remember the warlock questline where they said the Demons worked for the titans? Turns out they were made out here and have been pretending for years and are actually with the Jailer Sylvanas: You remember how I was never killed and had my soul ripped from my living body? You remember Arthas specifically say "I will NOT give you the comfort of death after you were so much a thorn in my side"? Well no you don't cause that's too much thinking, he stabbed me and I was with the Jailer the whole time. Pelagos: I don't know if I have what it takes to be a Kyrian ascendant, I'm constantly doubting that I can live up to my duty, guess I'll just be the Arbiter instead. Jalier: My master plan that I took years to put into motion! *Azeroth slaps his hand away* I hadn't planned on this....
Baine was the real hero of Shadowlands, refusing to be part of this trainwreck and longer and protesting the blizzard writing by sitting there all expansion instead.
@@TankHunter678 I mean... i imagined maybe 1 or 2 were picked because of gender/race/etc, but a whole cast of anything? That's just insane to even imagine.
@@leobovine Go watch some ads that are being played these days. 90% of them will feature nearly the entire cast being minorities. Nearly guaranteed to quite literally be one of each though often times leaning black with the occasional white in the extras. If there is a white in the main cast they will 80% of the time be female. You will see the same when it comes to many recent movies, predominantly minority and/or female characters for the protagonist side with predominantly white and male characters for the villain side. Keep in mind that a lot of these productions are made in Hollywood, which is located in California. Not to mention Blizzard is based in California. A state that straight up has laws mandating such "representation". Just the way things are currently.
What pissed me off the most in this expansion is how they pissed upon Arthas, Garrosh and Elune. Arthas was basically backbone of Warcraft and genuinely morally gray character until his corruption by Frostmourne, only to turn into wisp and fizzle out while listening to Danuser's elven waifu's monologue. Elune was the most mysterious of all deities in Warcraft, and when she finally revealed herself in that cinematic with Winter Queen, she said she didn't know that all elven souls were going to Maw instead of Ardenweald, even though Winter Queen said that she and Elune were keeping contact, which is a giant plothole. Not to mention Garrosh who, even though he was a war criminal and Orc nationalist, just fucking evaporated on trash mob and writers missed a chance to make his death similar to Grom's from Warcraft III by confronting Jailer like Grom did with Mannoroth. Arbiter's replacement doesn't make any fucking sense. Expansion was a mess, I don't believe that next one will be any better.
Arthas' ending was such bullshit. They played a "Disney" so that they wouldn't piss off the fans of their undead waifu by busting him down to nothing more than a plot device. No redemption, no goodbyes, just "oh, he isn't important enough to even exist now". I'm indifferent on the whole Elune thing, but once again the writers didn't read their own script when they made Tyrande judge Sylvanas. "Yeah, I know Elune was the reason the tree was burned, but I'm going to ignore my goddess to damn Sylvanas for an eternity because I haven't learned anything." - Tyrande
@@cujoedaman yeah, that's what I am talking about. Tyrande in matter of one cinematic went from Doomslayer type of angry ("I will sign the treaty only with banshee's blood!" in BfA) to being a softie fem-cuck after possession from Elune, basically forgiving her and "condemning" Sylvanas to doing dailies in Maw instead of getting her head. So fvcking infuriating. Danuser should've stayed being fanfic writer instead of senior lead writer. If Garrosh did the same, he would be even more punished than in War Crimes novel. Arthas also deserved better treatment than being a fvcking wisp.
@@BishtrainerTai16 tbh I am more disappointed in expansion announcement having even less content shown than new furry race. Because Warcraft was having furries (tauren, murlocs, furbolgs, pandaren) since Reign of Chaos game.
The final scene with Arthas's soul fragment was a mix of sad and funny to me Sylvannas, instead of finally making peace with Arthas after living through basically the same thing as him ,just monologues Arthas till he decides to fade from existence like a wet fart just to get away from her. And Uther and Jaina just stood there and didn't say A WORD to probably the last remnant of one of the most important people in their lives, who's downfall effected them so greatly it sent them both into a downward spiral
Jaina was already done with Arthas so it's probably normal she doesn't care about him anymore, she dealt with many more problem since he died. For Uther it's true, he could have words like Sylvanas did.
@@noryu5792 Jaina was done with Arthas? Bro even AFTER we beat the Lich King, she kept saying she still loved him despite how much he fell. He was like, her one and only real love in her life, and one of her best friends to boot. She legit never opened up to another person like she did to Arthas, not even Thrall or any of her apprentices or tutors. I highly doubt Jaina "didn't care". Well, the real Jaina, not this bastardized watered down version of her that has like 2 emotional states - sorrow and anger. She had so much left unsaid to him and it's even mentioned in like novels and side lore and shit. Yes, I know, "side lore" memes, but WoW has been building it up for so much time only for it to end like this. Her dealing with other problems doesn't mean she still doesn't mourn and have regrets about Arthas. On the contrary, those just made those deep cuts even more deep. As for Uther - I doubt the Author truly understood Uther, and only saw him in like gameplay vids of warcraft 3 or whatever he knew from WoW's few mentions of him. And Uther is such a deeply complex character underneath the stale "Old Paladin" trope.
@@stankobarabata2406 i think you don't take in note all things she went through since Arthas is gone and you forgot that she was in relation with Kalegcos, so i don't think she care that much about him as you think
Welp. I almost got over the ending cinematics of Shadowlands with the announcement of Dragonflight, but then I had to watch this. And now I'm sad and pissed-off all over again. Thanks Captain Grim! 😃
Do you like what you see so far ? :o The new race is an incubus reskin with cringe look and also only 2 spec, you will have to learn to ride dragons (even if your character knows it for years) and the new fly system will only be in the new zones. The new cinematic is idc tier and the new dragon mounts have no consistency (a dinosaure, a wyvern and a proto Drake reskin ?) The only good thing is the talent tree coming back but come on... We had that even back on 2004
Youre part of the problem. That expansion looks terrible, and people like you eating this crap up every year is why the game will remain terrible forever.
And don't forget: who gets to say goodbye to the last flicker of Arthas soul? Uther? who was his master and felt guilty of his downfall? Nope Jaina? The one that loved him? Nope MOTHER FRIKING SYLVANAS WINDRUNNER
Don't forget the "In the end you were a puppet of a greater evil, like I was with you and now the Jailer. But I deserve forgiveness while you don't. And nobody will say otherwise"
i meant, Arthas DID run his MASSIVE and POWERFULL Frostmourne THROUGH her. I doubt she can forget such experience. Nathanos is just a rebound for the Banshee queen
You also missed the fact that Jaina and Uther both sat around while Sylvanas got a monologue about Arthas' soul. Not a peep from them. But if you wanted to get every disappointment on screen, this video would be a feature length film.
@Galerne ON THE CONTRARY, its quite fitting because you can remove Jaina and Uther from Warcraft 3 and literally nothing would change. They are THAT useless characters.
That where you were wrong buddy so very wrong in fact . Without jaina , the lorderon expedition would have never gotten to kalimnor to meet the orcs and the night elves. Without her agreeing with medivh to escape the kingdom to found answer. The burning legion would have crushed the night elves and burn tedrassil. (Same goes for thrall leading the horde to kalimnor) Has for Uther well , you see I was the one to trained arthas into becoming a paladin…. Yeah I let you do the math.
@@antoinecyr2833 🤣🤣And? Furion would have blown the horn and killed Archimonde anyway. There was no reason for Jaina, Tyrande and Thrall to throw the remaining population in front of Archimonde. In fact, Archmage Jaina was to investigate the undead plague and report the crucial information back to the Kirin Tor so they can start developing the cure to the the plague and reverse it. That was her ONLY job. Arthas would have done a better job reducing the orc population as a Warrior with a huge sword than a Paladin. Unlike Uther who kept them around because "We wouldn't be any different from them" while they continue sacrificing human being. Like I said, You can remove Jaina and Uther from the game and nothing would change. In fact you can remove Paladins and Mages from the game and nothing would change. And, Finally, Medivh who only gave the visions to Thrall! Not the Elves, Mages, Night elves, Dwarves or Humans, he just gave it to thrall. He comes in like a beggar despite being a legend he doesn't tell him who he really is, then he trolls the king and tells him to move his ENTIRE KINGOMS of Human, Drawf and Elves to another continent and then was surprised no one took him seriously making the Medivh is the worst prophet. The reason the undead spread to the degree that it did was because Medivh and Jaina were both complete idiots.
@@antoinecyr2833 Sure, reply at your leisure, we can also talk about useless Furion and Tyrande were, who were in their grove looking at waterfalls while his brother was Battling the Death Knight with Elves and Naga by himself.
right?! there are at least a dozen other characters that'd be more appropriate (or just Varian alone) I certainly don't dislike Saurfang, but the only reason he's there is because spreads the faction representation more for the ending and because he got a greater popularity boost since the Old Warrior cinematic. There are "rule of cool" moments where I'll look the other way, but this ain't it - there are so many allies through Anduin's past who would've had a much greater impact. Heck, even Arthas with Varian would've made more sense if they wrote Anduin experiencing something similar to soul-bonding with Arthas while he's used as fuel.
@@Rhodair you say there is no reason for it however he is the only person who makes sense besides Varian as he is the only other person who has managed to separate the swords which is what was being done in that scene. Yes having some connection with Arthas would be understandable due to the soul fragment however in relation to the sword the most connected individuals would be Varian, Anduin, and Saurfang
@@marcfish8897 While that's a decent thought to chew on, I never saw anything that claims splitting the blades have anything to do with the wielder. It's not a skill to be able to split the blades; it's a magical property of the item itself. Saurfang was strong but also just a warrior; he's holds zero value toward splitting Shalamayne into its 2-blade form. The whole point of the Varian+Saurfang vision is them breaking Anduin out of the domination magic. Him splitting the sword was nothing more than a dramatic representation of his mind getting freed; it wasn't what actually caused it.
I also like how they retcon all of the individual race's afterlife lore. Trolls go to Da Other Side with Bwomsamdi (or whoever the death loa is at the time. Oh, and it's somehow IN the Shadowlands?). It makes no sense for Loa to go to the Shadowlands when they aren't even a part of that cycle, they are gods. Night elves become wisps on Azeroth. Vrykul go to Halls of Valor or Helheim (depending on if good or bad). I know there's others, I can't think off the top of my head. What about spirits and souls still on Azeroth that we have met in the past and have helped or have helped us? Why aren't they in the Shadowlands if they aren't meant to stay on Azeroth? I also like the whole "oh, the Light and the Void mean nothing" bullshit you learn about if Kyrian. "Yeah, sorry, Alexandros, your devotion to the Light meant absolutely nothing, we're sending you to Maldraxxus where you can spend an eternity smelling like you were dumped in the Bog of Eternal Stench. Uther? Yeah, even though we practically see the future, somehow we can't stop him from turning evil." OH! There's also druids, they go to the Emerald Dream when they die. Ysera went there. So did Ursoc. They are IN THE DREAM. You can see them there when you finish the Nightmare raid. How did they get into the Shadowlands?
Yeah. There's no salvaging it. There's just no way to make it even decent. Only upside for me is I had already been reduced to total apathy, so it doesn't make me feel bad because I cannot care any less and my expectations cannot go any lower.
If i ever came back the game will be only for playing with friends and the gameplay (I really had fun on m+ until 9.1). After shadowlands I seriously don't give a flying fuck about the story or the characters in the game, and I'm 99% sure they won't be able to do a good story anymore.
At the end where he closed the book with undeserving satisfaction, it reminded me of the episode of Futurama where Fry was proud of the book he wrote with many spelling errors and plot holes.
The reforged Helm looks as if it's just the structural base and the more decorative part of the helm would be build around it,.. like for example if it was a "Borrowed Power / Artifact" this would be the base form that every class wears but as they progress with it to make it stronger more is build onto it until it is eventually completed.
it never ceases to amaze me how people like grim can take the absolute trash that is shadowlands and make it entertaining. there is just one scene i would've added and that is the one where the necrolord smith opens the vault that was meant to be impossible for the jailer to open and basically hands him the sigil because they wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't think of a good reason for him to get it.
3:33-truly the most saddest scene in this game. You can feel for the emotions that the Blood Elf Death Knight is going through as he watched a most iconic helmet turned, into a f**king Burger King crown.
I know it's supposed to be funny but I can't help but feel sad watching this. 😢 Seriously, what a horrible expansion, and the worst part is that the ending is completely canon, the writers must have felt like geniuses after writing this garbage....
Let's all remember that Steve Danuser is a big fan of the final seasons of Game of Thrones, which just shows that the games story doesn't stand a chance anymore
@@pichonalpalo I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, but even on wattpad there are much better written stories than the ones presented in this expansion, so they didn't even do that well lol
As someone who played through all but the last patch of Shadowlands, I can say that this is entirely accurate. As for anything that Captain Grim may have missed in this video, to that I say: What lore? P.S. I loved the part where dollar store Gandalf reforged the Helm of Domination into the burger king crown. Truly a moment in all of warcraft history
Sylvanas reveals to Uther and the rest that she was simply being manipulated by the Jailer's very convenient powers! Uther is taken aback and saddened by this revelation and pleads the rest of Azeroth's heroes to spare her so she may work with them to thwart the Jailer's plans, even though he never forgave Arthas for the exact same reason. He knew him for a long time as a mentor and when he returned from Northred, a different man, he began senselessly murdering everyone in the name of the Scourge. Uther just thought: "By the Light! Arthas is truly and evil being. I bet that son of a ***** probably wants to kill me as well! I shall never forgive such evil, and it is for sure, definitely, with certainty - Arthas, and not a puppet of a greater being! I mean that would be preposterous! This is the Warcraft universe after all!", after which he goes on to hate Arthas' guts even in Shadowlands!...God I am such a clever genius. Oh, I probably shouldn't have written that... Anyway. With the help of the very smart, clever, and attarctive - Sylvanas Windrunner, the heroes make it to Zerith Mortis. A very very very interesting zone with very very very interesting characters. Like the rest of Shadowlands' story, it is so captivating and interesting that there is not much to be said about it. There we speak with low polygon critters and stuff, it's quirky like that! After crossing over some water as if it were solid ground (WOW!!! OH MY GOD!!!), we eventually make it to the Sepulcher of the First Ones - another super interesting and amazing place! There, Zovaal the Jailer is preparing to rewrite reality for his cryptic and and interesting motives! The heroes of Azeroth storm in beat him up. He crashes to the ground as he gives his tragic sob story, revealing that was simply a victim to bullying who wanted to save us all from THE UNKNOWN BIGGER BAD GUYS OF DOOM!!! He then turns into a puppet and it's very very sad, because the story is written in such a good way that now this twist makes you regret your actions and feel bad! After that, a reaally cool trial is held for Sylvanas where the very useful Arbiter finally allows Azeroth's heroes to judge her. After a very interesting exchange, the very useful and relevant Tyrande, decides to send her to the Maw where she can act as the new Jailer and take care of the souls she has brought suffering to. There, she will lay low until the toxic haters are satisfied, until she dramatically returns to us!
@@reperfan4 Never forgave is a reach when he had a arc about it , did you even play that questline? He literally hates himself for what he did to Arthas lmao. This is just circle jerk with zero logic and reading comprehensions
Dude also you have improved so much in your editing styles and quality. I'm actually shocked at the body language and scenes you've made, like the blizzard dev looking in the reflection was dope
Man, this one was just pure comesy gold. This is a masterpiece. Not even mentioning animation which is super great and amazing. You really improved! Thanks
The Winter queen displaying anything approaching ACTUAL fucking emotion is so cursed. Love it. The Archon vigorously fanning Zovaal so the winter queen's ultra fast punches hurt more is hilarious.
I hate it when stories do the "And it was all a dream", but please Blizzard, please tell me this was all a dream. We never beat N'zoth and this is still a nightmare.
Some ideas: - Struggles of an auctioneer - Classes specialities (like Priest Holy, Monk Brewmaster) in a nutshell - Professions in a nutshell, - Horde/Alliance in a nutshell - Struggles of transmogifiers - PvP ina nutshell - Struggles of LFG groups - Wow expansion plots in a nutshell - Struggles of playing TBC/Wrath etc.
My favorite parts were the exchange between Saurfang and Varian, and Uther's pained expression when he was reading the script. It was just like my face every time new story segments were revealed!
I hadn't even scene these cutscenes or story plots yet so this is my first and only exposure to Shadowlands' "story". Also, wow I felt the same way about the new Lich King crown. This is my first time seeing it.
Let's be real here. There's simply so much BS in shadowland's story that I just couldn't fit all of it, I already had to scrap tons from the script so it wouldn't be like a 20 minute video lmao
Also kinda miss the Jailer now honestly, after all the connection i've built with him through my videos :(
dont worry. He'll come back as the super jailer in a future expansion and how everything after shadowlands was according to his plan
streams ff14, what a chad
@@Sigglypuff Or he'll get a redemption story. He was always a good guy, just misunderstood, ya' know?
"Connection", lol
He was very smart and cunning :(
Shout out to Baine. He saw the quality of writing going on and realized the only winning move was not to play.
Baine is seriously considering a career switch to being a friendly npc Elden Ring.
Friendly npcs never survive in Souls games, that’s how desperate he is.
@@BlueShellshock he's just gonna be a merchant sitting in an obscure corner of Caelid
Move and your character will get ruined. A wise decision
This was a genius comment
I was going to upvote you, but you're at 420, so rock on, friend. And Baine deserves better, I agree.
The *Helm Of Domination* , one of the most iconic items in gaming history, being reduced to a burger king crown.
Well from what I learned blizzard like Disney Star Wars wanted to distance as much as possible from their legacy and most successful things so the new writers can "invent" things on their own... Which seems in both cases failed miserably.....
@@darthwolfius7746the developers of todays really forget that Arthas and the Lich King is one if not the most iconic Character in wow,and as much they want to get away from Arthas leagacy they literaly made arthas 2.0 in anduin but he dosen't remain corrupted,they run circle around him
yea even the jailor helm would be sufficed
*On top of that, it seems to me that the model of that crown already existed... they just took the model of a generic helmet that already existed in the game and put it as ''THE NEW REFORGED CROWN''...*
If they were going to use an existing model it is quite ridiculous and pathetic how they did not EVEN bother to take the existing model of a better crown/helmet, there being several better options...
Literally blizzard s legacy.
A lot of people say shadowlands is bad, but you're the only one who says it through ART my friend
i just wish we could say that it was Good through art man . . .
Pint where the fuck are your feet pics? I paid good money and expect delivery!
Im new to wow and the story of the game is pretty ???? The daily quests are weird af there's even a flappy bird 🐦 tribute wtf
@@papayadaichou6544 Maw walker! You need to learn to fly with flappy bird! It is an invaluable learning lesson on your way to getting in your good graces and accessing that soulbind power you want!
*we do need our entertainment* 🥴
@@CaptainGrim It was good at being bad ?
3:43 I love the sadness of this elf. It sounds so legit, just the way he says "fuck" through the tears and the burger king crown line delivery. 10/10
lol i was dying when this played
That elf was me, Grim came to my place to record my live reaction.
@@kallazjopatsu6846 lol
@@kallazjopatsu6846 I need a fuckin minute why do they keep doing this shit bro it looks like a fuckin burger king crown whyyyyy
Crown of Wills of the Whale
That Dk Elf transition from surprise to utter disappoint is legendary!
Yeah I wonder what his reaction was to seeing arthas getting "killed" with one whisper
Trust me, we all needed a minute after witnessing the helm get turned into a normal green
Probably the most emotion I felt all expansion, and not for the right reason.
The audacious disrespect is open for all to see
I sat this one out after BFA....please...PLEASE tell me that didn't really happen to the Helm, please tell me this was just a very fitting joke for the video. *PLEASE!!!!! Say it ain't so!*
@@feywinterfox9630 nope it happened, not only that but they had the audacity to drag Arthas out just to be smack talked by Sylvanas as if she doesn't know first hand how domination magic works and give him zero dialouge.
@@lowkeyarki7091 part of me feels like I REALLY shouldn't be surprised...but wow...
@@feywinterfox9630 by the way Uther and Jaina were there and said nothing to him, his former lover and former mentor who knew how much he suffered trying to control the scourge said nothing.
Imagine taking one of the most - If not THE most iconic piece of equipment in all gaming history, next to master chief's helmet and Frostmourne - and then turn it into a piece of gear from trial of valor.
I thought it looked like a level 38 helmet from Classic WoW. One of those weird mail helmets that has strength and spirit on it. A warrior wears for 3 levels then replaces with a proper plate helmet.
It doesnt even look more than green quality either
looks like an helmet you get when you boost your character to lvl 50.
the 20 dollar transmog Frost helm from the blizz store looks better kek
@@gordonreinz9849 bro its like comparing grey items with epics.
Anduin: *breathes*
Every lore character: ''He is my son now..''
Except Wrathion, that's his exboyfriend.
Even mine, in Pandaria I was like kind of baby sitting him and he was my rebel son haha.
@@koatam wrathion would be like, anduin used to call me daddy xD
@@randomfrog7974 I both love and hate this, thank you for the mental image.
@@Floraclaw ribbit
Baine: "I shall make him pay!"
Also Baine: *sitting aggressively*
*waits faster*
That was almost the best part of the video, but it was the Jaina rant that totally undone me and I laughed uncontrollably when the camera did a close up of the blue angel’s face. Just something about it set me off.
Doing what Tauren do best.
"I love her lack of energy! Go girl, give us nothing!"
Last line of the book: "There, [Sylvanas] will lay low until the toxic haters are satisfied, until she dramatically returns to us!"
The darkest of prophecies.
Curse her!!! We hate her forever!!! ( In gollum's voice)
I lost my shit at Baine sitting heroically. The true hero for Shadowlands. What a fucking joke😂
And the music on the background hahahaha. Man that was so fucking good hahahah
Yeah...kinda not sure why they didn't do shit with him tbh. Either use him or don't. It's not hard
I mean, can you blame him? He saw what the writers were doing to the other characters. Sitting around all expansion was the best thing that ever happened to him after BfA.
@@MasterShanicus Tbf here...
That kinda makes it worse.
@@preds43 I lost my shit at that part too. But then Jaina’s rant was my total undoing and I laughed so hard I startled my kittens.
3:53 yes. it was heart breaking seeing them turn the literal most iconic symbol in warcraft into a god damn caster's green
Iconic wow plate helm artifact? You mean trash green for casters
"it looks like A FUCKING Burger King crown, man!"
☠️ This line killed me quicker than mythic raid difficulty
This
I'm laughing for about 2min right now. The disappointment of all community has been passed in this line in a way that cannot be ignored lol "i need a FUCKING minute. Why they keep doing this. It looks like a FUCKING burger king crown, man!"
LMAO
@@anbriel1050 I can’t stop laughing 🤣
It killed me faster then a wipe on Sylvanas mythic
Yea, I lost at burger king crown too. Grim was on point again.
The Pure Genius moment is the portrait of Arthas falling in the growing fire in the background. They basically broke the fourth wall when they had Sylvanas tell us to forget about Arthas. It felt like THE DEVS saying it to the PLAYERS.
"Forget that old WoW you THINK you like." Was just as bad as what Kevin Smith did with He-Man.
The Varien scene with Anduin actually did make me have some feels, then Saurfang showed up and I was confused. He had some talks, but I didnt think they would build that much of a connection.
legit, if you told me the beginning of that Varien scene with Anduin was real in-game cinematic, I would believe you. Really high quality.
@@wuy4 The one in the video is. It plays after the Anduin fight in Sepulcher of the First Ones.
I hate that they put saurfang in it because his soul was in the sword because he died with it and I was thinking wasn't variens soul destroyed when guldan killed him lmao and then they killed arthas the fuckin best character in wow with a WHISPER WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD
The only sense I could make of it was Varian and Saurfang were the last two to die weilding that sword.
@@Ralthazar why is the holders soul in the sword? When did saurfang wield it
I think you should have included the Arthas soul fragment scene.
Jaina: "Oh it is the last soul fragment of the love of my life. Who kept the scourge in check, constantly fighting against the lichking. Who even kept a keepsake to remember me. I certainly will have a final heart to heart with him!"
Uther: "Yes. And I will so too. I was his mentor after all and yeeted him into the maw. Ofcourse there will be a lot to talk with him."
Player: "Oh I can not wait to see these 3 finally have a real heart to heart! Maybe this will make this whole expansion worth it!"
...
Sylvanas: "Your legacy is at an end. Begone arthas. May the last wisper of your name fade and be forgotten."
Jaina and Uther: "OkAy ThEn!"
*Both walk away and leave the player gobsmacked.*
Fr. Shit pissed me the fuck off.
Im not saying that was the same level of monumental f-up as not having Han, Leia and Luke on a screen together in the Disney trilogy, but... ngl, pretty close.
Plus he got disenchanted
Yeah that was bs,i cant belive they desecrated the story of one of their best characters in game with that garbage ,better off if we never saw him in the entire expansion and leave him alone.
This has to be the WORST bit of story in the game. I've never been so pissed after watching a cinematic.
Piece of art.
The guy crying about the domination helm "demake" is just 6/5.
It was like Warcraft 3 reforged level brilliance.
solid 5/7
@@robertcuvelier6016 Could you imagine if someone modded Warcraft 3 so that Arthas ran around with that crown for the entire game.
"You exchanged like 10 lines together"
"That's more contact that i've ever have with Saurfang Jr"
And half these lines were with his son's dead body. Father of the year !
Man, I always hear this Jailer's voice whenever I see him in game haha. He's forever ruined for me, and I love it.
I just ran through the shadowlands plot after discovering these videos about shadowlands, the entire thing became a comedy skit with lots of inappropriate emotes, Uther got many a headpats when he was being sad, kinda made his whole redemption much more satirical and wholesome, roleplaying with the story is mandatory imo, it really makes everything more grounded when you can immerse yourself into the situation without taking anything seriously, which I find works very well when we got such a high stakes concept with whatever the hell zereth mortis or whatever is supposed to be, I feel like Ezio Auditore is about to come assasinate me after I accidentally find the Apple of gold or whatever it was
@@Elenrai Right?? I felt the same way when I went through the storyline of Uther pleading Jaina to "accept" Sylvanas. Laughed hysterically "Oh, okay Uther. -sideways eyes-"
Ruined? This Jailer has a WAY Better Personality than anything the...Forbidden Wow Expansion's Jailer had, seriously. he's actually funny, unlike the real one. XD
The Helm of Domination being turned into that piece of leveling gear is the perfect metaphor for WoW's downward spiral since WotLK.
Well said.
Almost the entire community unanimously loved legion... Most people consider it the second best expansion at most the third after wrath and BC
@@godlygamer911 Yes cuz of it's PVE being good. The community was literally starved for good content after WoD, that's why a semi-decent expansion was looked at more favorably than it should've. The PVP community still hated it because it had that awful pvp scaling system where a brand new character can fight on equal terms with your main just because your gear doesn't matter. You know, the POINT of an mmorpg, your gear, the shit you grind for fucking weeks - and it doesn't matter cuz dumbo and mumbo made a druid and rogue and are teabagging you in arenas because their classes are broken and they're still in greens on top of that.
So, if you were a PVPer, the game was still shit, and most oldschool players are pvpers, since THAT was the endgame of wow for a long time. You went to raids to get gear to help you in pvp. Now it's just raiding for it's own sake, and then doing nothing with said gear except raid some more, which is utterly boring.
WoW has been dead for it's true players since MoP at least.
@@stankobarabata2406 I have played since day one and have several gladiator mounts... I know very few people outside of mediocre. That didn't enjoy legion 🤣
@@godlygamer911 I wasn't aware you had analytics regarding the entire WoW community! Incredible!
I paused to read the page at roughly the 5:05 mark, and I can appreciate the venom and snark present in every sentence. Thank you once again, Captain Grim.
Until you realise that she will actually return and save the day once again.
Attarctive
Thanks for mentioning it, I thought it was just some stuff we already heard.
Honestly, if you read the entire thing with Donald Trump's voice, it kinda makes more sense... Maybe they're based off the same script? lol
Steve Danuser is a genius.
Not because he can write a good story, because he clearly can't.
But because he still somehow has a job.
He must be VERY charismatic
Counter argument: Those emails justifying the writing teams continued employment must be absolutely amazing reads, clearly there is some good story telling skills lurking deep down when they really need it.
@@cryam6428 Or they all got dirt on whoever went into the Cosby Room.
They're were left with Alex Afrasiabi's mess because he was a drunk.
He’s got those DSLs if you know what I’m saying
The LEAST embarrassing thing Blizz could do at this point is say “oops! it was all a bad dream!” and just have the entirety of Shadowlands turn out to be a weird long hallucination the player characters are collectively having in the middle of the Nya’lotha raid. Just pull a ‘season 9 of Dallas’ on everyone.
Nzoth won and fucks with our minds atm. Seems legit.
yes PLS
I would totally be okay if blizzard pulled a “it was a dream”.
I think they should release an entire old god expansion anyway, this is a good way to do it
@Stardragon121 I'm still hoping for this. Or the retcon and be like hey that's the titans versions of the realm of death. Here's the real thing.
the helm reforge moment hit too deep; it felt like an allegory for what had happened to WoW itself😢!
3:43 someone give that man a hug
He needs it
We all need a hug after this.
I love how Grim's version of Jailer feels much more alive and fun that what we've got in actual game
The crown being reforged had me in my feels. 😥
I still can't believe they did that..
It was a bit too real.
That transformation.... there is no way it wasnt molevolent.... how could ANYONE think that was a good idea
Burger King crown lol
I remember being so excited for the transformation lol, then when i saw it, was a bit lost for words 😐
I died at the Burger King crown line. That's exactly how I felt. I was super excited to see the helm become even cooler, and then it turned out like that. Knife in the chest, Blizz. :(
"I need a minute"
That was a daily experience I had while playing through the story of Shadowlands.
"They can't keep getting away with this shit bro! WHY?!" That is LITERALLY how I felt throughout ALL of Shadowlands. What a giant disappointment!
Still mad about Tirion. Tied into pre-WoW lore, had a book or two, lived quiet in WoW for a few years before returning to glory and continuing the legacy of the Ashbringer and helped conclude the Arthas storyline.
Killed to some no-name demon.
@@BlueShellshock he atleast died to a raid boss lmao
Why do you even play it? People pay to play the game, spend their whole lives in it and then complain it's garbonzo. Just fucking quit like the rest of us.
@@MajinBuusni BECAUSE I'M FUCKING ADDICTED TO THIS SHIT!
@@MajinBuusni do you know the amount of people who hates league of legends with a passion and yet they can't quit? That's happening to wow players, not that we hate the game but how is handled, I've tried several games but I always get back to wow
What hurt me the most was Arthas's theme 'Invincible' being played while Jailor was giving his speech. My soul died as I was laughing. 10/10 Grim.
I love the little scene when Jaina says "Bullshit" it's just great. Animation, tone of voice. I love it
I just can't stop laughing at the Primus's facial expressions it makes such a good contrast to the player's reaction. Primus is so proud of his creation into befuddelment and worry 🤣 Props to Grim for his amazing work animating these models once again 👏
The crying crown scene hit harder than expected haha
Steve Danuser needs to be fired, no question about it. From a business perspective, it shouldn't be hard to notice that WoW players like the lore and history of the old content, and that when all of that is muddied, it assists in giving them a reason to unsubscribe. This dude undid a bunch of lore so that Sylvanas can have blue eyeballs and call herself good. They need to fire Steve Danuser. Any writer could make something more consistent.
nah nah it was _clearly_ all Afrowasabi's fault, even after he left the company he snuck back in to Blizzard HQ through the restroom window and changed the script like he is the mother fuckin' grinch stealing christmas.
Sadly they won't since he's still there, along with the same writers.
Just to give the remaining playerbase more dogshit to eat. Bon appetit.
100% agreed. Fire or relegated to the back seat. He shouldn’t have any say over future stories or lore it’s kinda criminal what he’s done to the lore :/
I've literally never seen a guy more determined to destroy his predecessor's work than Danloser. I'm worried how he'll handle the dragons next, I can take a guess tho he'll kill off Nozdormu and replace him as aspect with chromie because he doesn't know the lore and forgot Anachronos exists or just retcon Anachronos out of existence since that's his thing these days.
Danuser isnt the only member of the writting TEAM you know? Only him getting fired solves nothing
1:10 holy shit that moment cracked me up so hard
Wheres the music from, anyone knows?
@@Dankweiler94 Leagues of Explorers theme ?
Baine Bloodhoof: DAMMIT.
he literally did nothing but sulk through the whole freaking expansion and this was the best way to make him look some what good 🤣🤣😂
Yeah, it's League of Explorers Hearthstone music.
Jaina's response to Uther at 1:50 is my reaction to anybody saying that Sylvanas was being manipulated or controlled. I need a GIF of it, yesterday.
I loved the part Jaina literally just listed all the bad stuff she herself has down too lmao.
We definitely need a part 2 of this!! I can't stop watching this, especially on the Jaina and Sylvanas part!
Haven't watched or played any WoW in the past year or so, but holy shit the "Burger King Crown" had he gasping for air. This is a fucking master piece!
I haven't laughed this hard in literally months - THANK YOU GRIM! ❤
Remember guys, when people defend danuser by saying he only had the scraps to work with; its an authors skill and job, that makes a story good, not the premise. You can make a boring, bad idea, into an increadible story if your a skilled writer. . . . Dansuer & Co dont have that. Good luck in dragonblight, you'll need it.
Danuser Is Exactly the contrary..he's able to bring shit even out of Gold...😞
I just hate how they keep trying to unbury the past. Uther’s back, there was a lingering part of Arthas *again*, and Sylv gets yet another second chance arc.
Dragonflight looking generic is almost a relief. Maybe Garrosh and Varian won’t even come back from the dead.
Danuser is one of the biggest hacks at Blizzard, I wish I could suck at my job and still get paid, there's no chance at all he's going to do Dragonflight right.
As a story writer, I have one thing to say to you in agreement . . .
Amen.
Scraps? What do you mean? Didn't they have virtually every character who ever lived and/or died in Warcraft available?
If you listen to Sylvannas' monologue to Arthas, it's pretty clear that the WoW writing team is just directly speaking about Arthas and Wc3, with people who kept bringing it up and wanting to see them or that level of writing return. Now it's done and gone, may nobody remember their legacy. Otherwise what she's saying makes no sense, because she knows he was just being controlled by the jailer, like Anduin, and like she supposedly was.
Also Elune accidentally sending everyone to mega-hell to be tortured until their souls disitengrated was pretty hilarious. Hope Sylvannas brought a dustpan!
I just realized Anduin has FOUR fathers: Varian, Genn , Velen, and Saurfang 💀
pretty much any male character whose kids die seems to try to adopt him.
@@Keira_Blackstone True, they keep trying to do surrogate father-son duos and then drop it the next expansion
Bolvar too
Venthyr: Oh by the way, remember the warlock questline where they said the Demons worked for the titans? Turns out they were made out here and have been pretending for years and are actually with the Jailer
Sylvanas: You remember how I was never killed and had my soul ripped from my living body? You remember Arthas specifically say "I will NOT give you the comfort of death after you were so much a thorn in my side"? Well no you don't cause that's too much thinking, he stabbed me and I was with the Jailer the whole time.
Pelagos: I don't know if I have what it takes to be a Kyrian ascendant, I'm constantly doubting that I can live up to my duty, guess I'll just be the Arbiter instead.
Jalier: My master plan that I took years to put into motion! *Azeroth slaps his hand away* I hadn't planned on this....
the animation has gotten so lively it's incredible
also this has to be the funniest video from this channel
The son moment being ruined was too good
Baine was the real hero of Shadowlands, refusing to be part of this trainwreck and longer and protesting the blizzard writing by sitting there all expansion instead.
All the players that left the game were the real heroes, because it forced them to change.
@@TheSuspira You’re assuming they’ve changed.
Occupy Shadowlands
And then dissing Sylvanas with his one notable line.
@@Skyblade12 True dat
"it looks like a burger king crown, they cant keep getting away with it" this line cracked me up so hard xD
@The Wandering M "one of each" lol
@The Wandering M Holy shit, so when we joke that a specific character is there to reach a "quota", is not even a joke anymore?
@@leobovine It never was a joke.
@@TankHunter678 I mean... i imagined maybe 1 or 2 were picked because of gender/race/etc, but a whole cast of anything? That's just insane to even imagine.
@@leobovine Go watch some ads that are being played these days. 90% of them will feature nearly the entire cast being minorities. Nearly guaranteed to quite literally be one of each though often times leaning black with the occasional white in the extras. If there is a white in the main cast they will 80% of the time be female.
You will see the same when it comes to many recent movies, predominantly minority and/or female characters for the protagonist side with predominantly white and male characters for the villain side.
Keep in mind that a lot of these productions are made in Hollywood, which is located in California. Not to mention Blizzard is based in California. A state that straight up has laws mandating such "representation".
Just the way things are currently.
What pissed me off the most in this expansion is how they pissed upon Arthas, Garrosh and Elune. Arthas was basically backbone of Warcraft and genuinely morally gray character until his corruption by Frostmourne, only to turn into wisp and fizzle out while listening to Danuser's elven waifu's monologue. Elune was the most mysterious of all deities in Warcraft, and when she finally revealed herself in that cinematic with Winter Queen, she said she didn't know that all elven souls were going to Maw instead of Ardenweald, even though Winter Queen said that she and Elune were keeping contact, which is a giant plothole. Not to mention Garrosh who, even though he was a war criminal and Orc nationalist, just fucking evaporated on trash mob and writers missed a chance to make his death similar to Grom's from Warcraft III by confronting Jailer like Grom did with Mannoroth. Arbiter's replacement doesn't make any fucking sense. Expansion was a mess, I don't believe that next one will be any better.
Arthas' ending was such bullshit. They played a "Disney" so that they wouldn't piss off the fans of their undead waifu by busting him down to nothing more than a plot device. No redemption, no goodbyes, just "oh, he isn't important enough to even exist now".
I'm indifferent on the whole Elune thing, but once again the writers didn't read their own script when they made Tyrande judge Sylvanas.
"Yeah, I know Elune was the reason the tree was burned, but I'm going to ignore my goddess to damn Sylvanas for an eternity because I haven't learned anything." - Tyrande
Get ready for gay dragons!
@@cujoedaman yeah, that's what I am talking about. Tyrande in matter of one cinematic went from Doomslayer type of angry ("I will sign the treaty only with banshee's blood!" in BfA) to being a softie fem-cuck after possession from Elune, basically forgiving her and "condemning" Sylvanas to doing dailies in Maw instead of getting her head. So fvcking infuriating. Danuser should've stayed being fanfic writer instead of senior lead writer. If Garrosh did the same, he would be even more punished than in War Crimes novel.
Arthas also deserved better treatment than being a fvcking wisp.
@@BishtrainerTai16 tbh I am more disappointed in expansion announcement having even less content shown than new furry race. Because Warcraft was having furries (tauren, murlocs, furbolgs, pandaren) since Reign of Chaos game.
@@RebelWvlf tbf sentenced to do maw dailies 24/7 is a fate worse then death
The jailer had more character development and lines in this video than in the entire expansion.
That 0:18 effect combined with voice acting is freaking amazing.
The final scene with Arthas's soul fragment was a mix of sad and funny to me
Sylvannas, instead of finally making peace with Arthas after living through basically the same thing as him ,just monologues Arthas till he decides to fade from existence like a wet fart just to get away from her.
And Uther and Jaina just stood there and didn't say A WORD to probably the last remnant of one of the most important people in their lives, who's downfall effected them so greatly it sent them both into a downward spiral
It’s okay, they’ll get to say goodbye next time they find a lingering remnant of Arthas.
Jaina was already done with Arthas so it's probably normal she doesn't care about him anymore, she dealt with many more problem since he died.
For Uther it's true, he could have words like Sylvanas did.
@@noryu5792 Jaina was done with Arthas? Bro even AFTER we beat the Lich King, she kept saying she still loved him despite how much he fell. He was like, her one and only real love in her life, and one of her best friends to boot. She legit never opened up to another person like she did to Arthas, not even Thrall or any of her apprentices or tutors. I highly doubt Jaina "didn't care". Well, the real Jaina, not this bastardized watered down version of her that has like 2 emotional states - sorrow and anger. She had so much left unsaid to him and it's even mentioned in like novels and side lore and shit. Yes, I know, "side lore" memes, but WoW has been building it up for so much time only for it to end like this. Her dealing with other problems doesn't mean she still doesn't mourn and have regrets about Arthas. On the contrary, those just made those deep cuts even more deep.
As for Uther - I doubt the Author truly understood Uther, and only saw him in like gameplay vids of warcraft 3 or whatever he knew from WoW's few mentions of him. And Uther is such a deeply complex character underneath the stale "Old Paladin" trope.
@@stankobarabata2406 i think you don't take in note all things she went through since Arthas is gone and you forgot that she was in relation with Kalegcos, so i don't think she care that much about him as you think
Welp. I almost got over the ending cinematics of Shadowlands with the announcement of Dragonflight, but then I had to watch this. And now I'm sad and pissed-off all over again.
Thanks Captain Grim! 😃
Do you like what you see so far ? :o
The new race is an incubus reskin with cringe look and also only 2 spec, you will have to learn to ride dragons (even if your character knows it for years) and the new fly system will only be in the new zones. The new cinematic is idc tier and the new dragon mounts have no consistency (a dinosaure, a wyvern and a proto Drake reskin ?)
The only good thing is the talent tree coming back but come on... We had that even back on 2004
Youre part of the problem. That expansion looks terrible, and people like you eating this crap up every year is why the game will remain terrible forever.
Thumbs up for the tauren rogue tho !
A true joke coming to life
@@Roxar96 I just think you need to play different games at this rate...
Kind of a nit pick ngl
@@thefalal285 Looks ok? No borrowed power...world exploration and whatnot being the key factor of it all? Dragonriding? Shiet I'm down
Love the whole Anduin bit. He is the adopted son every childless person or single parent wants in the game. Surprised I didn''t see Genn in there.
He's still yelling into the sky.
*Varian* "What the FUCK are you doing here?! You're not even dead!"
@@Alastor999 SYYYLVAAAAANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!!
Thank you for putting the time and effort to create this. I really loved the details, and had fun reading the "genius" tale near the end.
I really felt the player characters pain when they reforged the helmet. We all needed a minute to take in that blow.
And don't forget: who gets to say goodbye to the last flicker of Arthas soul?
Uther? who was his master and felt guilty of his downfall? Nope
Jaina? The one that loved him? Nope
MOTHER FRIKING SYLVANAS WINDRUNNER
Oh don’t worry, Jaina and Uther will get a chance to say goodbye the next time a lingering fragment of Arthas gets found.
Don't forget the "In the end you were a puppet of a greater evil, like I was with you and now the Jailer. But I deserve forgiveness while you don't. And nobody will say otherwise"
i meant, Arthas DID run his MASSIVE and POWERFULL Frostmourne THROUGH her. I doubt she can forget such experience. Nathanos is just a rebound for the Banshee queen
@Myles Riley
Do you have any idea of how many people arthas killed and turned into Undead?
Sylvanas had zero importance to him!
You also missed the fact that Jaina and Uther both sat around while Sylvanas got a monologue about Arthas' soul. Not a peep from them. But if you wanted to get every disappointment on screen, this video would be a feature length film.
That was horse shet letting her bad mouth Arthas as if her hands were clean like wtf
@Galerne
ON THE CONTRARY, its quite fitting because you can remove Jaina and Uther from Warcraft 3 and literally nothing would change. They are THAT useless characters.
That where you were wrong buddy so very wrong in fact .
Without jaina , the lorderon expedition would have never gotten to kalimnor to meet the orcs and the night elves. Without her agreeing with medivh to escape the kingdom to found answer. The burning legion would have crushed the night elves and burn tedrassil. (Same goes for thrall leading the horde to kalimnor)
Has for Uther well , you see I was the one to trained arthas into becoming a paladin….
Yeah I let you do the math.
@@antoinecyr2833 🤣🤣And?
Furion would have blown the horn and killed Archimonde anyway. There was no reason for Jaina, Tyrande and Thrall to throw the remaining population in front of Archimonde.
In fact, Archmage Jaina was to investigate the undead plague and report the crucial information back to the Kirin Tor so they can start developing the cure to the the plague and reverse it. That was her ONLY job.
Arthas would have done a better job reducing the orc population as a Warrior with a huge sword than a Paladin. Unlike Uther who kept them around because "We wouldn't be any different from them" while they continue sacrificing human being. Like I said, You can remove Jaina and Uther from the game and nothing would change. In fact you can remove Paladins and Mages from the game and nothing would change.
And, Finally, Medivh who only gave the visions to Thrall! Not the Elves, Mages, Night elves, Dwarves or Humans, he just gave it to thrall.
He comes in like a beggar despite being a legend he doesn't tell him who he really is, then he trolls the king and tells him to move his ENTIRE KINGOMS of Human, Drawf and Elves to another continent and then was surprised no one took him seriously making the Medivh is the worst prophet. The reason the undead spread to the degree that it did was because Medivh and Jaina were both complete idiots.
@@antoinecyr2833 Sure, reply at your leisure, we can also talk about useless Furion and Tyrande were, who were in their grove looking at waterfalls while his brother was Battling the Death Knight with Elves and Naga by himself.
The Varian/Saurfang scene reminds me of how Anduin has like 3 Dad's and no mom
Would be much more interesting if Genn was there
right?! there are at least a dozen other characters that'd be more appropriate (or just Varian alone)
I certainly don't dislike Saurfang, but the only reason he's there is because spreads the faction representation more for the ending and because he got a greater popularity boost since the Old Warrior cinematic. There are "rule of cool" moments where I'll look the other way, but this ain't it - there are so many allies through Anduin's past who would've had a much greater impact.
Heck, even Arthas with Varian would've made more sense if they wrote Anduin experiencing something similar to soul-bonding with Arthas while he's used as fuel.
@@Rhodair you say there is no reason for it however he is the only person who makes sense besides Varian as he is the only other person who has managed to separate the swords which is what was being done in that scene. Yes having some connection with Arthas would be understandable due to the soul fragment however in relation to the sword the most connected individuals would be Varian, Anduin, and Saurfang
@@marcfish8897 While that's a decent thought to chew on, I never saw anything that claims splitting the blades have anything to do with the wielder. It's not a skill to be able to split the blades; it's a magical property of the item itself. Saurfang was strong but also just a warrior; he's holds zero value toward splitting Shalamayne into its 2-blade form. The whole point of the Varian+Saurfang vision is them breaking Anduin out of the domination magic. Him splitting the sword was nothing more than a dramatic representation of his mind getting freed; it wasn't what actually caused it.
Very accurate. I sent this to my friend who has never played WoW and he understood the lore and how the expansion was. Great video.
What always got me was that the Winter Queen LEFT the sigil. On one of the covenant leaders was literally the best place it could be.
What this expansion has done to the story is unforgivable, and they have to retcon it all. For real.
they have to give it the star wars treatment
Can I upvote this comment like a billion times?!
I also like how they retcon all of the individual race's afterlife lore. Trolls go to Da Other Side with Bwomsamdi (or whoever the death loa is at the time. Oh, and it's somehow IN the Shadowlands?). It makes no sense for Loa to go to the Shadowlands when they aren't even a part of that cycle, they are gods. Night elves become wisps on Azeroth. Vrykul go to Halls of Valor or Helheim (depending on if good or bad). I know there's others, I can't think off the top of my head. What about spirits and souls still on Azeroth that we have met in the past and have helped or have helped us? Why aren't they in the Shadowlands if they aren't meant to stay on Azeroth?
I also like the whole "oh, the Light and the Void mean nothing" bullshit you learn about if Kyrian. "Yeah, sorry, Alexandros, your devotion to the Light meant absolutely nothing, we're sending you to Maldraxxus where you can spend an eternity smelling like you were dumped in the Bog of Eternal Stench. Uther? Yeah, even though we practically see the future, somehow we can't stop him from turning evil."
OH! There's also druids, they go to the Emerald Dream when they die. Ysera went there. So did Ursoc. They are IN THE DREAM. You can see them there when you finish the Nightmare raid. How did they get into the Shadowlands?
Yeah. There's no salvaging it. There's just no way to make it even decent. Only upside for me is I had already been reduced to total apathy, so it doesn't make me feel bad because I cannot care any less and my expectations cannot go any lower.
Alexstraza at the beginning of Dragonflight:
Hey you - You're finally awake!
This expansion not only killed my desire to play WoW, but also my love for the Warcraft franchise.
If i ever came back the game will be only for playing with friends and the gameplay (I really had fun on m+ until 9.1). After shadowlands I seriously don't give a flying fuck about the story or the characters in the game, and I'm 99% sure they won't be able to do a good story anymore.
At the end where he closed the book with undeserving satisfaction, it reminded me of the episode of Futurama where Fry was proud of the book he wrote with many spelling errors and plot holes.
I, the Big Giant Brain, am winning again! And I will leave this planet for no raisin!
Yeah...but...that book saved the universe tho O.O
i love that show.
God. I lost it REALLY bad when Sarufang said he traded more lines with Anduin than Sarufang Junior.
The reforged Helm looks as if it's just the structural base and the more decorative part of the helm would be build around it,.. like for example if it was a "Borrowed Power / Artifact" this would be the base form that every class wears but as they progress with it to make it stronger more is build onto it until it is eventually completed.
"It looks like a f*cking burger king crown"
I can't unsee it now.
it never ceases to amaze me how people like grim can take the absolute trash that is shadowlands and make it entertaining. there is just one scene i would've added and that is the one where the necrolord smith opens the vault that was meant to be impossible for the jailer to open and basically hands him the sigil because they wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't think of a good reason for him to get it.
Fucking lost it at the crown bit, that reaction was basically my sigh of disappointment made manifest.
i still cry about the greatness that was stolen from us
@@betelgeux6010 It's not fair! It's just not fair..
Same. The moment the Primus feels so proud followed by the pure disbelief from the player 🤣
I did not even know this happaned. They actually did this? Is that new helm real?
@@spacejunk2186 Yeah same question here. That new helmet looks like a green you would loot on a random mob...
I would certainly be in for a 20 or 30-minute extended version! Loved it! (The video, not Shadowlands Shadowlands can diaf).
3:33-truly the most saddest scene in this game. You can feel for the emotions that the Blood Elf Death Knight is going through as he watched a most iconic helmet turned, into a f**king Burger King crown.
I know it's supposed to be funny but I can't help but feel sad watching this. 😢
Seriously, what a horrible expansion, and the worst part is that the ending is completely canon, the writers must have felt like geniuses after writing this garbage....
Let's all remember that Steve Danuser is a big fan of the final seasons of Game of Thrones, which just shows that the games story doesn't stand a chance anymore
@@rock2k14 It was doomed from the start I guess, though it doesn't make it any easier to accept anyway.🥲
@@rock2k14 Well that perfectly explains why the writing has gone to shit then. You can't fix that level of stupidity.
i am sure that the writers stole everything from wattpad
@@pichonalpalo I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, but even on wattpad there are much better written stories than the ones presented in this expansion, so they didn't even do that well lol
I've never played this expansion but I dead damn sure that helmet has Spirit stats on it.
3:56 The Primus‘ Face and the voice line is pretty much my actual reaction to the „reforged“ crown.
As someone who played through all but the last patch of Shadowlands, I can say that this is entirely accurate. As for anything that Captain Grim may have missed in this video, to that I say: What lore?
P.S. I loved the part where dollar store Gandalf reforged the Helm of Domination into the burger king crown. Truly a moment in all of warcraft history
The DK and the helm had me in tears, both of laughter and sadness.
Not only is this an amazing video, that book at the end with all the writing was the funniest shit I've ever read.
I had to read it to find out that Sylvanas becomes the new jailer.
Sylvanas reveals to Uther and the rest that she was simply being manipulated by the Jailer's very convenient powers! Uther is taken aback and saddened by this revelation and pleads the rest of Azeroth's heroes to spare her so she may work with them to thwart the Jailer's plans, even though he never forgave Arthas for the exact same reason. He knew him for a long time as a mentor and when he returned from Northred, a different man, he began senselessly murdering everyone in the name of the Scourge. Uther just thought: "By the Light! Arthas is truly and evil being. I bet that son of a ***** probably wants to kill me as well! I shall never forgive such evil, and it is for sure, definitely, with certainty - Arthas, and not a puppet of a greater being! I mean that would be preposterous! This is the Warcraft universe after all!", after which he goes on to hate Arthas' guts even in Shadowlands!...God I am such a clever genius. Oh, I probably shouldn't have written that... Anyway.
With the help of the very smart, clever, and attarctive - Sylvanas Windrunner, the heroes make it to Zerith Mortis. A very very very interesting zone with very very very interesting characters. Like the rest of Shadowlands' story, it is so captivating and interesting that there is not much to be said about it.
There we speak with low polygon critters and stuff, it's quirky like that! After crossing over some water as if it were solid ground (WOW!!! OH MY GOD!!!), we eventually make it to the Sepulcher of the First Ones - another super interesting and amazing place!
There, Zovaal the Jailer is preparing to rewrite reality for his cryptic and and interesting motives! The heroes of Azeroth storm in beat him up. He crashes to the ground as he gives his tragic sob story, revealing that was simply a victim to bullying who wanted to save us all from THE UNKNOWN BIGGER BAD GUYS OF DOOM!!! He then turns into a puppet and it's very very sad, because the story is written in such a good way that now this twist makes you regret your actions and feel bad!
After that, a reaally cool trial is held for Sylvanas where the very useful Arbiter finally allows Azeroth's heroes to judge her. After a very interesting exchange, the very useful and relevant Tyrande, decides to send her to the Maw where she can act as the new Jailer and take care of the souls she has brought suffering to. There, she will lay low until the toxic haters are satisfied, until she dramatically returns to us!
@@reperfan4 Never forgave is a reach when he had a arc about it , did you even play that questline? He literally hates himself for what he did to Arthas lmao. This is just circle jerk with zero logic and reading comprehensions
I didn’t even realize it was actual words! My own fault for watching it on a phone screen, but thank you for pointing it out 😂
@@reperfan4 Cannot thank you enough for transcribing that.
So damn infuriating when they turned something iconic like the lich king helmet into some ugly questing greens.
Felt that belfs pain...
And arthas being done dirty rubs salt in my wounds
I'll be looking forward to enjoying your Dragonflight videos. We are all in need of some good comedy right about now.
3:37 I feel with the poor guy. I had the same reaction.
The entire series might as well have been the actual story for Shadowlands
Dude also you have improved so much in your editing styles and quality. I'm actually shocked at the body language and scenes you've made, like the blizzard dev looking in the reflection was dope
His animations are better than Blizz devs!
Man, this one was just pure comesy gold. This is a masterpiece. Not even mentioning animation which is super great and amazing. You really improved! Thanks
And I mean every second of this video is a top quality content
They did WHAT to the helm of domination?!
The Winter queen displaying anything approaching ACTUAL fucking emotion is so cursed.
Love it.
The Archon vigorously fanning Zovaal so the winter queen's ultra fast punches hurt more is hilarious.
It's my own personal theory that Danuser wanted to make "his own epic story" like Arthas.
I hate it when stories do the "And it was all a dream", but please Blizzard, please tell me this was all a dream. We never beat N'zoth and this is still a nightmare.
Fool! Getting you to think that way was all part of their…
*MASTER*
*PLAN*
Actually, I'd be happier if we wake on Icecrown.
"Champion, are you alright?! That last clash with Lich King knocked you out!"
The burger king crown literally fucking kills me every time, I felt exactly. the. same. fucking. way.
I lost it at the cow noise Baine made when he fell 😂
That this was the "end" of a 20+ year storyline is so heartbreaking. What absolute dogshit writing.
It was a ending alright, foremost because its more dead than disco after that.
@@emetanti it was such an ending that I quit the game at level 53, and haven't wanted to go back since then.
My god Grim this is insanely impressive and hilarious. Thank you. The forging of the new helm had me rolling.
That Jailer ending with the overdramatic invincible theme and then jumps into another cash grab was brilliant.
Some ideas:
- Struggles of an auctioneer
- Classes specialities (like Priest Holy, Monk Brewmaster) in a nutshell
- Professions in a nutshell,
- Horde/Alliance in a nutshell
- Struggles of transmogifiers
- PvP ina nutshell
- Struggles of LFG groups
- Wow expansion plots in a nutshell
- Struggles of playing TBC/Wrath etc.
My favorite parts were the exchange between Saurfang and Varian, and Uther's pained expression when he was reading the script. It was just like my face every time new story segments were revealed!
Sylvanas preaching on her high horse while she was literally controlled just the same was it for me.
I don't know how you do it, but you just nailed the feeling of this entire expansion.
2:28 bro I cackeled so hard the transition from sheer epicness into utter hilarity is masterful lmao
I lost it at the Burger King crown comment. It’s so fucking true though dude, like that shitty eggs they gave us instead of the lich king sword
pause @0:23 so much detail on that desk. The amount of effort that goes into these videos is staggering.
I hadn't even scene these cutscenes or story plots yet so this is my first and only exposure to Shadowlands' "story".
Also, wow I felt the same way about the new Lich King crown. This is my first time seeing it.