The motherboards are expensive but I don't get why people keep talking about the ran if you dont have ddr4 you'd still need to get it on a ryzen system and ddr5 is not only worse but also more expensive so why get that now?
Since when AMD is pushing the envelope? They have no good engineers that they have to asked Jim Keller to lay the foundation for Zen, and now, milking the architecture to death, with Zen++++.
But I notice something at Intel, different from the politics of the past. Something that betrays a little despair. All the performance boost they get over AMD is done by the crazy increase in power. That is, an increase of + 15% in performance is made with an increase of + 80% in consumption. Which in terms of efficiency is terribly stupid.
@@AlfaPro1337 You're calling AMD out for milking an architecture? when Intel has been using the same shit for like 6 generations and probably would have kept at it, if not for AMD. You are CLUELESS!
@@Chris-ie2yd Dude, I know Intel milking out their architecture since Skylake, meanwhile, AMD fanboys don't even see that AMD Zen 2 and 3 are just Zen+++++. How would you even know that Intel would've kept it? You are CLUELESS!
@@AlfaPro1337 You're saying AMD is milking their architecture despite actually giving us good gains from generation to generation. Whereas during the Intel era we only saw like 7% gains MAX per new gen. I'm not an AMD fanboy as i would always go for what's best and Intel is looking really promising again now. However you should be damn grateful for AMD pushing Intel actually make a change. How fucking clueless are you man?
@@arch1107 you amdicks and cucks of lisa su when they dont realize that ryzen chugs just as much power when not restrained lol. 115 watts is nothing for a cpu thats competing with 5800x at a much lower price!
Leaving out DDR5 for the moment, the price of the Intel motherboard vs AMD B550 plus 5600X is a big factor here. You need to price up a 12600K plus motherboard plus DDR4 (if you already have DDR4 even better) vs 5600X plus motherboard plus DDR4 (again if you already have DDR4 even better).
Yeah intel will probably cost a bit more but the 12600k looks way better than the 5600x. Not entirely sure how I feel tho. I miss the days when a flagship cpu costed 180 euros and would easily last 13 years and still be going strong.
@@tilburg8683 It does not look "way better" in gaming . If you look price/performance of whole package (MB+CPU+RAM+GPU) , AMD still has advantage and if they lower prices (as they would probably do) this advantage would increase. We have come to a point where few people actually use their CPU at 100% processing power.
@@tilburg8683 12600k itself does look better than 5600x, however, the more expensive Z690 mb and a good cooler(can handle 150w) does add up the price. AMD just need a price cut on 5600x, and it can still be a very decent choice and save around 150-200$ compare to 12600k.
those Z690 boards also are a lot better equipped vs B550 and X570, as far as I/O and power delivery goes. Gigabyte's cheapest Z690 (Z690 UD) is a 50a 16+1+2 phase VRM, which is already better than a vast majority of their previous boards, and completely overkill in general, especially when you consider the heatsink and airflow.
I love u are putting in 1440p comparisons with 1080p because that is the res many of us have moved to. And also including the 3600 CPU becos it is most certainly one of the most popular ones around man. Thanks!!!
Much anticipated. Thanks for reviewing the i5 first and for having the common sense not to proclaim a CPU revolution for the sake of sensationalism. Great review.
@@xzm996 Even against a ryzen 5800, the mobo is roughly $90 more than a b550, .......$140 more than a b450. at the current prices I'd still do a 5800 or 5900 over the 12600k.
I almost wish they had an all E-core CPU on offer just to see what those would do. Like they could make a budget part that is just 8 efficiency cores or something like that, or a super-thread-focused part that has like 32 e-cores
Good to see intel is back. AMD was starting to raise prices a little bit too much for my taste. Now that we have neck to neck competition I hope it can counteract that silicon shortage price hike a little.
Thank you, again, for testing overclocking and voltage adjustment. No one else ever does, yet this is all I want to know. 170W power consumption is okay for 6 cores running at 5.2 GHz and 4 efficiency cores running at 4.2 GHz.
@@jayvee8502 This is at maximum overclock tho, if you dropped the max clocks by 200 MHz from both types of cores, power consumption would go down significantly.
@@QuantumBraced. That is still way beyond R5 5600X efficiency. Also Intel fanboys say that 10nm node Intel will be as efficient as 7nm node TSMC, well not really.
@@arvinddhiman8706 yes micro center had/has a sale, I was going to get the amd 56x for $250 but when I saw the intel for the same price I jumped in my car and booked it to the store. In store purchase only! 🤣🖖👍
I have a suggestion: at 8:25 we can see the performance for gaming while recording, but referencing the original F1 2021 results requires quite a bit of skipping back and forth. I think it would be helpful if we could more easily see how much performance is lost from recording as an additional reference point. Thanks for the review, I really enjoyed it! Also, your test bench looks way too good for a test bench… haha
Sounds like if you're only into gaming, a R5 3600 I still perfectly capable unless you have a crazy fast GPU like a 3080 or higher. Even then, at higher resolution it may not even matter still.
I can tell you... I had a 6700k at 4,6ghz (4corres) And a 3090fe My friend has a 9700k 5ghz (8cores) And a 3090fe (same clockspeed 2ghz) The Max fps around 4k gaming was the same. But the mininal fps are higher with more cores. In 3440x1440p in Far cry 6 43/76/98 versus 54/88/100
@@TITANSofTheEARTH thank you for the very useful info. I am planning to upgrade my i5-6600K as it is very old for todays games. I am not sure if I will update to i7-7700k or I will buy a new MOBO with the latest cpu available.
I have a 5600x paired with a 3080 at 1440p and it feels like a pretty good combo to be honest. I used to have a 3070+5600x combo and that made more sense, but the 3080 works great with the lower end cpu’s too at higher resolutions.
It depends. I thought CPU wouldn't matter at 4K but I was wrong. Multiplayer games are a whole another ballgame, my Ryzen 3600 had hard time with BF2042 beta for example. 80-90% CPU utilization with RTX 3080 while often dropping below 60fps. Friend with a 5900X had a very different experience. DICE said consoles won't have a 120fps mode because their CPU isn't fast enough for large scale 128-player matches. Looks like I have to choose between new Intel or upcoming Ryzen refreshes.
@@alecfortin6958 5600x and 600k series for intel are absolutely perfect for gaming focused rigs. So good to have some competition again in the CPU marketplace. Hopefully prices start lowering and we get more parity with the GPU portion
For the 12900k review coming up, I'd love to see how it performs under the 125 TDP Power Limit. Interested in using it in my SFF build, and will definitely not be able to tackle a higher TDP.
@John Hooper Tons of productivity and emulation apps use all cores at 100%. So I need a machine that can handle full load like that as well. I know during gaming it's sticking to the TDP, but for productivity it goes crazy high. Wouldn't work at all in my build, so that's why I'm curious to see how it would stack up against it's siblings and AMD alternatives within the same TDP limit.
@@ThunderingRoar Based on Benchmarks I've seen so far, the 12700k draws about 160w under full load, scoring 22700 in Cinebench R23. 12900k scores about 26000 at 160w. It also showed 12900k scoring 21500 at 125w power limit. So the question becomes, what would 12700k score at that limit? 12600k scores about 17000 at 115w, which matches the results Ali got as well. So the point is, 12700k with same limitation would be somewhere above the 17000 score, but below the 21500 125w PL score from 12900k. If it's significantly lower, then it means 12900k can be a good option for a more energy/heat efficient SFF machine.
Great Job man, we need what BIOS settings you're normally setting in AMD / Intel systems. I feel you have a lot of info on all the performance settings in BIOS that I don't know about.
I just want to say that you are the best reviewer(if you can say it that way) on youtube. I can even listen to your videos while I'm working and still got the informations I need! Keep up the good work man.
I can't wait till we get cheaper DDR5 + AMD APUs with lots of RDNA2 cores. You would very likely be able to achieve GTX 1650S level performance, potentially wayy more.
@@NawfalHasan I did talk to an AMD rep last week and asked him if AMD's next APUs will have similar performance to an RX 480 and he said it's very likely that they will, and possibly more than a RX 580 because of the RDNA2 cores.
Wasn't too impressed by the 12900K performance benchmarks elsewhere but the 12600K looks like a really decent pick or it will force AMD to drop 5600X prices which IMO are overpriced to begin with compared to 3600X and you can pick that up on a better budget. The only downside for this which wasn't covered here is that it does significantly consume more power than a 5600X until heavy workloads but it's still about 5800X levels which isn't that bad.
The lowest lga 1700 with ddr4 mobo is $199, I can do a MSI b450 for $50, price wise amd still has the advantage. But I still hope their cpus come down.
@@lonniebeal6032 Agreed on that. Overall platform costs are still lower on AMD side and there is still a final vCache upgrade left, albeit they are keeping very quiet if it is for 400 series as well or is it 500 only. Without a B660 motherboard series, Intel still has much higher overall cost and early adopter fee right now.
Just an observation man. You are the gigachad of RUclips tech reviewers. Deadset. You always look big on camera, you're actually good at FPS unlike most reviewers who I internally cringe watching play during b-rolls, you have good taste in peripherals and products, visuals and shots are always clean, you don't rely on clickbait, don't make annoying faces on your thumbnails to draw in viewers, don't rely on putting massive impact font writing on your thumbnails. This is king shit, this is how tech reviewers should be.
Zen 3 was unbelievably fast in valorant. I really wanted see FPS different in valorant between Ryzen 5 5600x and i5 12600k. Hope it will come soon. May be in ddr4 vs ddr5 video. Otherwise great video man. Keep it up!
I'm feeling very happy about my 5600x purchase earlier this year. The new Intel processors seem fine and nice enough but it is exactly like you said Ali: "It's not an evolutionary leap". I'm going to keep this CPU for a few years at least. Who knows, maybe by the time I'm going to upgrade it will be time for ARM desktop PC's. Thanks for the great review as usual.
@@Girvo747 I know they are more expensive but I am looking at the Velka 7 or Dan SFX. I like the NR200 for price and hardware compatibility but I also want something I can practically put in my pocket. Currently rocking an O11-D Mini.
I think 12700 VS 12600k OC will be an interesting comparison, as most user won’t be overclocking their cpu. Pairing a B660 mb with the 12700 should be priced relatively similar to pairing the 12600k with a Z690. I wonder which one will perform better and which one is the better value.
Or better yet the 3D cache refresh at this point. I’m waiting for to upgrade my 3800X to the 8 core 3D cache Ryzen. Pointless spending money at this point unless you desperately need it
@@V1CT1MIZED Of course, but I was indeed only considering the case if I had to buy something right now. But I don't intend to. Also waiting for Zen 3D, else I'll wait until Zen 5. MLiD leaked some crazy things in his last video.
@@trixniisama AM5 is another good option. But I’m waiting for 2nd gen AM5 which by then (hopefully) DDR5 will be better priced and any bugs ironed out. I was an early adopter of the 1700X and I said after that “never again”. The 3D cache will do fine till they release 2nd gen AM5. As for MLiD all he does is throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks. Too early for realistic leaks of AM5
@@V1CT1MIZED Well I don't remember him being ever too far from what released since he started his journey, but hey, it's only my opinion. I also don't want to get the first AM5 generation (so Zen 4), Zen 5 in 2023 seems like a good choice. Or if Intel actually have something to compete for cheaper and that uses less power, I'll go with them, but I doubt it
Let's talk about energy consumption and thermal output here: does a i5 offers a more visible solution for small rigs with limited cooling due to the form factor compared to AMD when ITX motherboard will become available?
Yeah but can it handle gaming AND streaming with a bunch of apps running in the background without having to lower details to a mixture of medium to low settings at 1440p to maintain that 100+ FPS to enjoy 144+hz gaming? If not, then I'll go with the Ryzen 9 5900x.
@@SuperJosteen Yes I know that but as the video showed that it was faster in some regards to the Ryzen 9 5900x, I made the comparison to the Ryzen 9 as a more complete CPU even though it - as of this generation of Intel chips - seems to be a bit slower than Intel, but a better work horse overall.
Really looking forward to the DDR4 vs 5 face off. There is limited info out there atm, with some reviews not including any comparison, or some with a single kit of DDR4 that seems oddly weak. Add to that some fake looking videos showing very large differences (Im guessing trying to get you to use their affiliate links :S). I game at 4K, Im aware differences will be low, but Id still like to get the overall fastest I can anyway.
I really hope Intel sticks with this socket for the next few generations. AMD currently has the crown on upgradability. Sucks having to dust a perfectly good Mobo. Not to mention the astronomical unnecessary cost, especially when compared to an AMD upgrade with a B550m.
13th and 14th gen are confirmed 1700 compatible. Funny enough, both generations are launching within 1 year. 13th gen around November and & 14th gen mid next year. Intel on a roll.
This is very interesting. I want to know what AMD has in stock for their future lineup. The hybrid cores approach is pretty innovative for desktop processor by Intel. Idk if AMD will go a similar approach or will stick to just performance cores
Just like cars, turbo 4 cylinders put up nice numbers but there is no replacement for raw displacement. Everyone is calling this a win but its fighting with a year old product that is holding its own with the next generation around the corner.
@@littlebill1987 agree. While faster, its not that much of a difference and intel actually fighting with the current gen amd processor. I havent done more research on the price side of things, but im guessing price also will be quiet similar and probably amd will be cheaper because of the motherboard price range is wider for amd
Sure but you can use the 5600x with a 100 bucks b550 (or even a $75 b450) and you don't need a cooler, so is still cheaper to go for a R5. But im hyped for the 12400f, it could be the new price/performance king.
I think it was Linus that said the time to switch over is about a year and a half into production that switching RAM made sense with the DDR3 to DDR4, everything in-between was riding the line between slightly better or on par with well developed previous gen memory. This may not hold true with DDR5 for the simple fact that they can probably charge more for DDR5 and they may phase out DDR4 (or reduce available kits) in favor of the more profitable one.
Any chance future cpu benchmarking could include world of warcraft? I know it's a hassle to create the most intensive graphics in that game, but it's got some specific hardware usage and it'd be nice to know what the differences are instead of just assuming single core performance is the only metric.
Shame, upgraded to a 11400F (based on your recommendation) earlier this year, when my computer was on the fritz. No more PC upgrades for me this year, gonna wait for the 14600K or 15600K or so.
So I'm convinced the i5 12600k beats the R5 5600x. But when you test the i9 vs R9 can you turn PBO on, so they pull similar power? LTT and JayzTwoCents for example seemed to test it with PBO off - 5950x only scored 25k in R23 because it pulled 100W less than the 12900k.
I suggest getting a complete CPU upgrade if possible (more cores + more IPC + higher frequencies) with a 5800x instead of just a slight upgrade (more IPC + higher frequencies)
Alder Lake looking good!
note: when you see "i5-12900K", that is in fact the i9-12900K.
Full review up next for that one!
AMD bug on windows 11 may have made those AMD CPU results be lower than expected.
Is it possible to add a valorant benchmark
I am dying to know if the i7 or i9 can survive in the M1 dual rad.. any chance you could look at it?
@@Wirenfeldt1990 prolly not
How is Alder Lake performance in Apex Legends?
The more I watch these videos the more my wallet sweats
hey keo
I'm about to get to Microcenter 3 hours before it opens. I'm getting nervous
What about selling your second kidney?🌝
U planning a pc build?
Hi keo :p
Are you planning to do a pc build?
Thank you for doing the i5 review that interests us the most when all the other reviewers are doing the i9 review.
Yes!
nah don't speak for all, i would prefer the i9 but my 5900X is doing well
you're watching all the wrong reviewers then
yup
@Tony Stark LTT AHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you for doing the i5 review for us gamers that don't have crazy budget for an upgrade
the new Mobo and ram you will need will set you back like 4 times the cost of the CPU right now.
@@Gungrave123 Not the mobo IMO. Only the ram and concern are my real concern and perhaps the others.
The motherboards are expensive but I don't get why people keep talking about the ran if you dont have ddr4 you'd still need to get it on a ryzen system and ddr5 is not only worse but also more expensive so why get that now?
@mor rfheem fr man I’m waiting for 12400 but supposedly it’s gonna be 6p cores and 0e cores so nothing special…
You won't really need one unless you are on 7th gen or something?.
Good to see Intel is finally competing again. I hope AMD and Intel keep pushing the envelope for years to come :)
Since when AMD is pushing the envelope? They have no good engineers that they have to asked Jim Keller to lay the foundation for Zen, and now, milking the architecture to death, with Zen++++.
But I notice something at Intel, different from the politics of the past. Something that betrays a little despair. All the performance boost they get over AMD is done by the crazy increase in power. That is, an increase of + 15% in performance is made with an increase of + 80% in consumption. Which in terms of efficiency is terribly stupid.
@@AlfaPro1337 You're calling AMD out for milking an architecture? when Intel has been using the same shit for like 6 generations and probably would have kept at it, if not for AMD. You are CLUELESS!
@@Chris-ie2yd Dude, I know Intel milking out their architecture since Skylake, meanwhile, AMD fanboys don't even see that AMD Zen 2 and 3 are just Zen+++++.
How would you even know that Intel would've kept it? You are CLUELESS!
@@AlfaPro1337 You're saying AMD is milking their architecture despite actually giving us good gains from generation to generation. Whereas during the Intel era we only saw like 7% gains MAX per new gen.
I'm not an AMD fanboy as i would always go for what's best and Intel is looking really promising again now. However you should be damn grateful for AMD pushing Intel actually make a change.
How fucking clueless are you man?
02:47 "DDR5 is expensive so you'll want to opt for something like this"
*5000 dollar contraption I've never seen before*
I’m so happy to see Intel back in the game with alder lake! Love having solid competition coming from both sides 😄👍
What are they competing for, global warming?
@@softxpandguest708 We’re all losing on that front 😓
@@softxpandguest708 you know a intel fanboy when you hear them happy for wasting hundreds of watts for a 10% victory on a game
@@arch1107 you amdicks and cucks of lisa su when they dont realize that ryzen chugs just as much power when not restrained lol. 115 watts is nothing for a cpu thats competing with 5800x at a much lower price!
@@najeebshah. lmao intel fanboy confirmed
Thanks for this review, everyone else started with the 12900k but this is the one I am interested in.
Leaving out DDR5 for the moment, the price of the Intel motherboard vs AMD B550 plus 5600X is a big factor here. You need to price up a 12600K plus motherboard plus DDR4 (if you already have DDR4 even better) vs 5600X plus motherboard plus DDR4 (again if you already have DDR4 even better).
Yeah intel will probably cost a bit more but the 12600k looks way better than the 5600x.
Not entirely sure how I feel tho. I miss the days when a flagship cpu costed 180 euros and would easily last 13 years and still be going strong.
@@tilburg8683 The intel 2600k was banging.
@@tilburg8683 It does not look "way better" in gaming . If you look price/performance of whole package (MB+CPU+RAM+GPU) , AMD still has advantage and if they lower prices (as they would probably do) this advantage would increase. We have come to a point where few people actually use their CPU at 100% processing power.
@@tilburg8683 12600k itself does look better than 5600x, however, the more expensive Z690 mb and a good cooler(can handle 150w) does add up the price. AMD just need a price cut on 5600x, and it can still be a very decent choice and save around 150-200$ compare to 12600k.
those Z690 boards also are a lot better equipped vs B550 and X570, as far as I/O and power delivery goes.
Gigabyte's cheapest Z690 (Z690 UD) is a 50a 16+1+2 phase VRM, which is already better than a vast majority of their previous boards, and completely overkill in general, especially when you consider the heatsink and airflow.
I love u are putting in 1440p comparisons with 1080p because that is the res many of us have moved to. And also including the 3600 CPU becos it is most certainly one of the most popular ones around man. Thanks!!!
Much anticipated. Thanks for reviewing the i5 first and for having the common sense not to proclaim a CPU revolution for the sake of sensationalism. Great review.
Another nice review. If it wasn't for the GPU-market being what it is, this could actually be an exciting time to be a PC gamer
i5's hitting that sweet performance/price mark as usual.
When compared to i7 & i9. but misses it when compared to ryzen 5
@@xzm996 Even against a ryzen 5800, the mobo is roughly $90 more than a b550, .......$140 more than a b450. at the current prices I'd still do a 5800 or 5900 over the 12600k.
@@lonniebeal6032 especially with Black Friday around the corner
I almost wish they had an all E-core CPU on offer just to see what those would do. Like they could make a budget part that is just 8 efficiency cores or something like that, or a super-thread-focused part that has like 32 e-cores
What
What
Look for the laptops they will have less pcors and more ecores
12400 has 6 cores and12600k has 6c+4e cores. the cpu brnchmark score for the extra 4e core is about 7800. thats an extra 7th gen core i5
What
Good to see intel is back. AMD was starting to raise prices a little bit too much for my taste. Now that we have neck to neck competition I hope it can counteract that silicon shortage price hike a little.
i was waiting for exactly this. Thanks
Thank you, again, for testing overclocking and voltage adjustment. No one else ever does, yet this is all I want to know. 170W power consumption is okay for 6 cores running at 5.2 GHz and 4 efficiency cores running at 4.2 GHz.
But that is too high compared to R5 5600x. I thought this was going to be as efficient as Zen 3.
the efficiency cores sure, because it is after all a laptop cpu, but the desktop, lol, intel has no common sense
amd uses like 80 watts? less?
@@jayvee8502 This is at maximum overclock tho, if you dropped the max clocks by 200 MHz from both types of cores, power consumption would go down significantly.
@@QuantumBraced. That is still way beyond R5 5600X efficiency. Also Intel fanboys say that 10nm node Intel will be as efficient as 7nm node TSMC, well not really.
@@jayvee8502 you can't compare the efficiency of two nodes when the CPU architectures are completely different
best video on Alder Lake I've seen yet, great job
It's great to see Intel back in the game! This CPU is a beast for gaming workloads, and at $270 for the KF variant I think it's an incredible value.
wait for AMDs nxt move broo,,its gonna be amazing competition
I got my 12600k last night for $250, idc what amd has up there sleve it's blue teams time to shine!
@@stickyRice9 what ...for just 250
@@stickyRice9 that's a really good deal, where'd you pick one up for that price?
@@arvinddhiman8706 yes micro center had/has a sale, I was going to get the amd 56x for $250 but when I saw the intel for the same price I jumped in my car and booked it to the store. In store purchase only! 🤣🖖👍
I have a suggestion: at 8:25 we can see the performance for gaming while recording, but referencing the original F1 2021 results requires quite a bit of skipping back and forth.
I think it would be helpful if we could more easily see how much performance is lost from recording as an additional reference point.
Thanks for the review, I really enjoyed it! Also, your test bench looks way too good for a test bench… haha
Sounds like if you're only into gaming, a R5 3600 I still perfectly capable unless you have a crazy fast GPU like a 3080 or higher. Even then, at higher resolution it may not even matter still.
I can tell you...
I had a 6700k at 4,6ghz (4corres)
And a 3090fe
My friend has a 9700k 5ghz (8cores)
And a 3090fe (same clockspeed 2ghz)
The Max fps around 4k gaming was the same.
But the mininal fps are higher with more cores.
In 3440x1440p in Far cry 6
43/76/98 versus
54/88/100
@@TITANSofTheEARTH thank you for the very useful info. I am planning to upgrade my i5-6600K as it is very old for todays games.
I am not sure if I will update to i7-7700k or I will buy a new MOBO with the latest cpu available.
I have a 5600x paired with a 3080 at 1440p and it feels like a pretty good combo to be honest. I used to have a 3070+5600x combo and that made more sense, but the 3080 works great with the lower end cpu’s too at higher resolutions.
It depends. I thought CPU wouldn't matter at 4K but I was wrong. Multiplayer games are a whole another ballgame, my Ryzen 3600 had hard time with BF2042 beta for example. 80-90% CPU utilization with RTX 3080 while often dropping below 60fps. Friend with a 5900X had a very different experience.
DICE said consoles won't have a 120fps mode because their CPU isn't fast enough for large scale 128-player matches. Looks like I have to choose between new Intel or upcoming Ryzen refreshes.
@@alecfortin6958 5600x and 600k series for intel are absolutely perfect for gaming focused rigs. So good to have some competition again in the CPU marketplace. Hopefully prices start lowering and we get more parity with the GPU portion
For the 12900k review coming up, I'd love to see how it performs under the 125 TDP Power Limit. Interested in using it in my SFF build, and will definitely not be able to tackle a higher TDP.
Apparently it only uses around 120W when gaming while on other softwares like blender it uses alot
@John Hooper Tons of productivity and emulation apps use all cores at 100%. So I need a machine that can handle full load like that as well. I know during gaming it's sticking to the TDP, but for productivity it goes crazy high. Wouldn't work at all in my build, so that's why I'm curious to see how it would stack up against it's siblings and AMD alternatives within the same TDP limit.
12900k is strong ,but not that good with its price.
12600k are too good with that price, if you choose cheapest d4 motherboard and oc it to all 5ghz.
why would you ever get an i9 only to run it with power limits? just get the i7 instead
@@ThunderingRoar Based on Benchmarks I've seen so far, the 12700k draws about 160w under full load, scoring 22700 in Cinebench R23. 12900k scores about 26000 at 160w. It also showed 12900k scoring 21500 at 125w power limit. So the question becomes, what would 12700k score at that limit? 12600k scores about 17000 at 115w, which matches the results Ali got as well. So the point is, 12700k with same limitation would be somewhere above the 17000 score, but below the 21500 125w PL score from 12900k. If it's significantly lower, then it means 12900k can be a good option for a more energy/heat efficient SFF machine.
Great Job man, we need what BIOS settings you're normally setting in AMD / Intel systems.
I feel you have a lot of info on all the performance settings in BIOS that I don't know about.
Woah. Those POV shots were really cool. Very different to the standard b roll.
I just want to say that you are the best reviewer(if you can say it that way) on youtube. I can even listen to your videos while I'm working and still got the informations I need! Keep up the good work man.
Competition. You love to see it
I can't wait till we get cheaper DDR5 + AMD APUs with lots of RDNA2 cores. You would very likely be able to achieve GTX 1650S level performance, potentially wayy more.
yeah ddr5 w the apus is gojng to be nuts
These new AMD cpus are 9-12 months away. By then, the Intel 13th gen with a refined Alder Lake architecture will be out as well
I highly doubt rDNA 2 APUs reaching GTX 1650 levels. That simply means AMD has no plans to sell cheap GPUs anymore.
They'll never put more than a dozen compute units on an APU.
@@NawfalHasan I did talk to an AMD rep last week and asked him if AMD's next APUs will have similar performance to an RX 480 and he said it's very likely that they will, and possibly more than a RX 580 because of the RDNA2 cores.
Excellent summary in 10 minutes! Thsi channel did another top job, as always. :)
Wasn't too impressed by the 12900K performance benchmarks elsewhere but the 12600K looks like a really decent pick or it will force AMD to drop 5600X prices which IMO are overpriced to begin with compared to 3600X and you can pick that up on a better budget. The only downside for this which wasn't covered here is that it does significantly consume more power than a 5600X until heavy workloads but it's still about 5800X levels which isn't that bad.
The lowest lga 1700 with ddr4 mobo is $199, I can do a MSI b450 for $50, price wise amd still has the advantage. But I still hope their cpus come down.
@@lonniebeal6032 Agreed on that. Overall platform costs are still lower on AMD side and there is still a final vCache upgrade left, albeit they are keeping very quiet if it is for 400 series as well or is it 500 only.
Without a B660 motherboard series, Intel still has much higher overall cost and early adopter fee right now.
The performance of AMD cpu's on windows 11 is like 15% lower compared to windows 10 performance, this entire video is pretty bullshit
Just an observation man. You are the gigachad of RUclips tech reviewers. Deadset. You always look big on camera, you're actually good at FPS unlike most reviewers who I internally cringe watching play during b-rolls, you have good taste in peripherals and products, visuals and shots are always clean, you don't rely on clickbait, don't make annoying faces on your thumbnails to draw in viewers, don't rely on putting massive impact font writing on your thumbnails. This is king shit, this is how tech reviewers should be.
Thanks! Finally a channel that first reviewed the CPU that people are actually going to be buying, not the CPU that perhaps 5% of buyers are after.
Thanks Ali for the brief video. With all the reviews coming out, i'm just too lazy to watch an in depth review atm
That shot at 2:47... Pure matte black perfection.
I'm glad you mentioned about the low latency DDR4 vs DDR5. Not many reviewers mention that sort of stuff in their reviews.
Hardware unboxed have it in their 12900k review.
Zen 3 was unbelievably fast in valorant. I really wanted see FPS different in valorant between Ryzen 5 5600x and i5 12600k. Hope it will come soon. May be in ddr4 vs ddr5 video.
Otherwise great video man. Keep it up!
What does it matter you can run 144 fps on valorant with a potato lol
@@zfacersane272 not with a 2700x or 3700x tho lmao
@@zfacersane272 In games like valorant, csgo every fram matters. Even though your monitor can't show it, more FPS, helps.
@@halfsugar9427 def can those games run on potato’s. Hell it runs on a haswell chip at 144hz.
@@halfsugar9427 i have a 3700x and a 3060ti and it can 😂
thank you for doing the cpu people are more likely to buy first
That's strange cause some leaks were saying that you can run DDR4 in gear 1 up to 3866MHz.
Love that AMD, Apple M series, and the new Intel processors are moving the speed of processing forward. "I feel the need... The need for speed".
Ty for showing 1440p high graphs because gamers really need to see that to understand what they are buying and why
Great vid thanks mate
Man keep it up 👍
I like that purely for gaming the -600 series CPUs (AMD or Intel) offer amazing price to performance with decent power consumption too.
The core i5 performance is looking good!
thank you for reviewing the i5 first
Intel's back baby
12600k is savior .cheapest z690 d4 +12600k with ai oc mod dominated everything with that price
I hope they release 12400f soon im getting that then a 3070... next decade :')
I'm feeling very happy about my 5600x purchase earlier this year. The new Intel processors seem fine and nice enough but it is exactly like you said Ali: "It's not an evolutionary leap". I'm going to keep this CPU for a few years at least. Who knows, maybe by the time I'm going to upgrade it will be time for ARM desktop PC's. Thanks for the great review as usual.
That and the motherboard and DDR5 costs right now are not low…
@@Girvo747 The next time I buy a mobo it will be an ITX board, anyway, which tend to be more expensive for similar features anyway
@@tamasmasable haha welcome to the ITX dark side, it’s amazing here ;) Posted from my NR200P…
@@Girvo747 I know they are more expensive but I am looking at the Velka 7 or Dan SFX. I like the NR200 for price and hardware compatibility but I also want something I can practically put in my pocket. Currently rocking an O11-D Mini.
@@tamasmasable good choices! Challenging to build in, but well worth it
clean review!
Intel is certainly making a comeback. Good to see some competition here.
I agree, I like price wars, now if the gpu market would straighten out...
Your reviews are gold.
I think 12700 VS 12600k OC will be an interesting comparison, as most user won’t be overclocking their cpu. Pairing a B660 mb with the 12700 should be priced relatively similar to pairing the 12600k with a Z690. I wonder which one will perform better and which one is the better value.
Shocked Apex wasnt benchmarked at all. Thanks for posting about ddr4 vs 5 for gaming! I was def super interested in that.
I would still go for the 5600x. Still more efficient, less heat, doesn't need Windows 11, more mature and cheaper platform (MOBO, RAM).
Agree. Love my 5600X! 280MM radiator keeps it at 54C all core load too.
Or better yet the 3D cache refresh at this point. I’m waiting for to upgrade my 3800X to the 8 core 3D cache Ryzen. Pointless spending money at this point unless you desperately need it
@@V1CT1MIZED Of course, but I was indeed only considering the case if I had to buy something right now. But I don't intend to. Also waiting for Zen 3D, else I'll wait until Zen 5. MLiD leaked some crazy things in his last video.
@@trixniisama AM5 is another good option. But I’m waiting for 2nd gen AM5 which by then (hopefully) DDR5 will be better priced and any bugs ironed out. I was an early adopter of the 1700X and I said after that “never again”. The 3D cache will do fine till they release 2nd gen AM5. As for MLiD all he does is throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks. Too early for realistic leaks of AM5
@@V1CT1MIZED Well I don't remember him being ever too far from what released since he started his journey, but hey, it's only my opinion.
I also don't want to get the first AM5 generation (so Zen 4), Zen 5 in 2023 seems like a good choice. Or if Intel actually have something to compete for cheaper and that uses less power, I'll go with them, but I doubt it
Let's talk about energy consumption and thermal output here: does a i5 offers a more visible solution for small rigs with limited cooling due to the form factor compared to AMD when ITX motherboard will become available?
lol, no, a r5 uses like 80 watts, this thing 170, if your goal is lower temperatures, avoid intel
Yeah but can it handle gaming AND streaming with a bunch of apps running in the background without having to lower details to a mixture of medium to low settings at 1440p to maintain that 100+ FPS to enjoy 144+hz gaming? If not, then I'll go with the Ryzen 9 5900x.
5900X is more expensive than 12700K, this video is talking about 12600K which have the same price range as the 5600X
@@SuperJosteen Yes I know that but as the video showed that it was faster in some regards to the Ryzen 9 5900x, I made the comparison to the Ryzen 9 as a more complete CPU even though it - as of this generation of Intel chips - seems to be a bit slower than Intel, but a better work horse overall.
Really looking forward to the DDR4 vs 5 face off. There is limited info out there atm, with some reviews not including any comparison, or some with a single kit of DDR4 that seems oddly weak. Add to that some fake looking videos showing very large differences (Im guessing trying to get you to use their affiliate links :S). I game at 4K, Im aware differences will be low, but Id still like to get the overall fastest I can anyway.
my cousin is currently on a 1600 from AMD, hes gonna be seeing HUGE gains either which brand he chooses. excited to help him build it
I really hope Intel sticks with this socket for the next few generations. AMD currently has the crown on upgradability. Sucks having to dust a perfectly good Mobo. Not to mention the astronomical unnecessary cost, especially when compared to an AMD upgrade with a B550m.
13th and 14th gen are confirmed 1700 compatible. Funny enough, both generations are launching within 1 year. 13th gen around November and & 14th gen mid next year. Intel on a roll.
been using 5600x , now im impressed with 12600k aside from gaming the productivity efficient are great value for new builder who need more core .
Well, i was wrong about 12th Gen.
It's fire 🔥🔥🔥
more like, it is on fire lol
@@artlessbene The 12900K, i agree bro.
This is very interesting. I want to know what AMD has in stock for their future lineup. The hybrid cores approach is pretty innovative for desktop processor by Intel. Idk if AMD will go a similar approach or will stick to just performance cores
Just like cars, turbo 4 cylinders put up nice numbers but there is no replacement for raw displacement. Everyone is calling this a win but its fighting with a year old product that is holding its own with the next generation around the corner.
@@littlebill1987 agree. While faster, its not that much of a difference and intel actually fighting with the current gen amd processor. I havent done more research on the price side of things, but im guessing price also will be quiet similar and probably amd will be cheaper because of the motherboard price range is wider for amd
Still rocking an i5 3570k with a gtx680.
Holding off for the next gen GPU’s
Oof, if it works for you it works for you but I think even most i5 4670K dual 780ti 1080p 60fps gamers are moving on at this point.
Extremely impressed
5600x is the best gaming cpu still with power consumption in mind
i love that you put the 3600 and 5600x in the test cuz this is the bentchmark i was looking for . +1 like
glad competition is back, will be good for us, 12600k is competitive just the mobos are expensive...
@Kahzy 100% lets hope some companies release the socket for it to be made more avaliable!
Sure but you can use the 5600x with a 100 bucks b550 (or even a $75 b450) and you don't need a cooler, so is still cheaper to go for a R5. But im hyped for the 12400f, it could be the new price/performance king.
Intel is making a comeback and I love it.
That thumbnail looked kinda like MKBHD style thumbnail.
Thanks very much for including the 3600 on the graphs. That's the upgrade path that I am now seriously pondering 😅
Good idea to start with i5 ,💪
I think it was Linus that said the time to switch over is about a year and a half into production that switching RAM made sense with the DDR3 to DDR4, everything in-between was riding the line between slightly better or on par with well developed previous gen memory. This may not hold true with DDR5 for the simple fact that they can probably charge more for DDR5 and they may phase out DDR4 (or reduce available kits) in favor of the more profitable one.
nice) I am waiting 14 generation intel cpu. Now my i5 9600kf 4.995 Gh and r5 3600 4.2 Gh not bad)
Another great video. Will you be testing the new i7?
can you add the 5800x to the list? After factoring mobo and ram. 12600k cost the same as a 5800x
5800x missing is glaring error!
Current prices of cpu plus motherboard puts the 12600k and 5800x at the same price point.
Love the vids
That AIO looks sick, too! 😳
Never clicked so fast on a video
Is nobody going to talk about how buff this guy is? Literal himbo!
The i5 looks intensely amazing but I’m still likely gonna grab the i7 if and when I grab this generation.
I can't wait to see the amd response to this
i don't care. i amd not amd fanboy. i already already 12600k right now
Zen 3d is coming though.
@@bogodoyandex9654 did you have an aneurysm while typing
We already know their response. More cache.
That i5 is looking NEAT!
Tho not for a Noctua L12 in a tiny case maybe? I'm waiting on a build
Awesome vids. But why do you never include the 5800x in your tests?
My dear 4790, your time has come. The 12600K(F) has an amazing value
Watta chip that is aye
Any chance future cpu benchmarking could include world of warcraft? I know it's a hassle to create the most intensive graphics in that game, but it's got some specific hardware usage and it'd be nice to know what the differences are instead of just assuming single core performance is the only metric.
thank you for benchmarking! i think not worth it to upgrade ddr5 right?
With this 12600k will it be a solid choice for editing/rendering videos?
Shame, upgraded to a 11400F (based on your recommendation) earlier this year, when my computer was on the fritz.
No more PC upgrades for me this year, gonna wait for the 14600K or 15600K or so.
the amount of power its pulling is stupid though u are really not missing out
In still eyeing the 11400 for my next build. Upgrading from 2500K though so anything is fine ;)
The 11400F is still an excellent CPU and is far better than either of these in price performance.
I am totally gonna upgrade to this bad boy! Need to get updated to PCIE 4 from a z390 board. :)
Makes us wonder what monster the i3 will be right, 4+2 cores? Dang
I think 12100, 12400 wont have small cores, just big cores. So 4 cores and 6 cores respectably.
Your the 5th intel video I watched today just showing support. the question is what air cooler will work on this thing?
The 9900k is still an impressive cpu
Man... A i7 2600 or FX8350 make a good job still
Thanks for the review! Can't wait to get a 12600K and see what it can do!
Will you be doing a review on windows 10? I personally won't be going to 11 anytime soon, not even after upgrading if I can avoid it.
So I'm convinced the i5 12600k beats the R5 5600x.
But when you test the i9 vs R9 can you turn PBO on, so they pull similar power?
LTT and JayzTwoCents for example seemed to test it with PBO off - 5950x only scored 25k in R23 because it pulled 100W less than the 12900k.
just watched ltts vid , ngl I wasn't expecting the ram effecting the performance in that way !
I'm just wanting a sale on the 5600x as an upgrade from my 3600
I would suggest to wait till ryzen zen3D launches next yr when 5600x price will drop significantly
thats not an upgrade thats a sidegrade upgrade to more real cores 5800x or i7 10700k or better
I suggest getting a complete CPU upgrade if possible (more cores + more IPC + higher frequencies) with a 5800x instead of just a slight upgrade (more IPC + higher frequencies)
What's the difference with DDR4 3600 in Gear 2 vs DDR4 3200 in Gear 1?