True, thanks to his undervolting video of the 3080/3090, I run my RTX 3080 at ~220 watts at 94-95% 4K performance (instead of 320 watts at 100% performance).
@@TheNetBenji someone ran a powerdraw normalized test and the alderlake actually won. It has the same performance at 4ghz with rocketlake on 5.1ghz and 5950x at 4.7ghz. Hitting 26k or r23 at 4.4ghz at 110w with 50C max temp.
Appreciate the hybrid workload testing. I think that is something a lot of reviewers skim out on when it is one of the real use cases that you want to pick up a higher end CPU with more cores.
@@Martial-Mat They know what intel releases ahead of launch, they forecasted Alder Lake 4 years ago and prepared a response ahead of schedule its just like movies they are made and are in waiting lists until it releases in theatres
As long as there's competition, everything's alright. That's my view on it. I mean, you'd either have to be insane or have a really good reason to buy a CPU like this anyways.
I have a 5900x and see absolutely no reason to upgrade to this. Just wait a few months for the refreshed 5900x and upgrade to that without having to buy anything else and probably mach or beat this 12900k
@@triliner254 I mean as of now in canada where I live the cheapest u can get ur hands on 12 gen is 500 bucks on the i5 and 700 dollars for ram 400 for mobo. Very rough launch but in years they should bring down wattage with 13 gen hopefully (so it's not really competing it feels more like a beta launch for wealthy early adopters to test it out online)
Thank you for covering 1440p as well! I keep getting excited when I see the 1080p fps boost so it feels good to be reminded how minimal the gains actually are in 1440p.
Just an idea: Would love to see a temp to performance efficiency comparisons for the latest CPUs (AMD and Intel). Tested in a 10-12L case, with a low profile cooler, all capped to the maximum TDP you're able to get away with while keeping it for example below 85 C. Then seeing how they perform. Could be a good guide / reference or SFF people to figure out which CPUs to go with and what cooling is required.
Forget it. Cooling this new Intel chip isn't something that can be achieved in a ITX form factor.. doubt there will be many ITX boards available or worth while utilizing
@@HitoriGnocchi Nobody ever said it's rocket science. As well as I have obviously done my research on the matter. A temp to performance test with the latest CPUs would be a continuation to that. Very few outlets ever test within heavy thermal and size (cooler) restrictions, and how much watts a CPU gets can have different effect of impacts to performance, in combination how undervolting works with that particular chip.
@@coolhand4598 First of all, I said all the latest AMD and Intel chips, not this CPU only. Enthusiasts don't just "forget it", they try to cram as much as possible into the smallest machines to see what they can get away with. Lastly I'm unsure what you mean by doubting there will be many ITX board available. You mean for the entire 12k series? No clue why you'd think that.
Given your enthusiasm for SFF builds, I'd love to see if this cpu stands a chance in a compact build without heavy tuning. The power consumption seems just insane, and it makes me wonder whether even Ryzen 5000 (forgetting whatever their next launch will look like) would remain the go-to for small builds running high-end parts.
The power usage on these is just sad. Reminds me of nVidia's Fermi. All the more tragic, since my friend's 5950X gets a good deal over 30K points in CB R23 by simply turning on PBO (tho there are way better ways to milk more performance out of it).
@@fist003 this is very true. I just got a new PC and noticed in the bios that the voltage was set to 1.5 volts which was crazy. It resulted ludicrous temps like 70-85 degrees C when just doing everyday normal CPU tasks like downloading something or transferring a file
Hey Ali, great review as always! Would you consider adding a code compile test to your production workloads? It would be really nice to see how these processors stack up in something like Chromium build. Thanks
@@runninginthe90s75 While you are correct that they use Windows 10 as their OS for benchmarks and that doesn't 100% reflect the performance in Windows 11, it is fair to use Win 10 as the baseline system considering most people currently use it and will for the next year or so. Neither the less the results of GN will give you a decent idea of code compile performance and their benchmarks are for sure neither garbage or flawed, especially considering that they clearly stated that/why they use Win10 and that using Win11 will increase performance of Alder Lake here and there by a few percent
Hey man, I've been diggin your channel heavily since I found it recently while learning about the monitor market. Much much love for the great quality, I hope everything is well for you personally friend! I'm really curious how long it will take benq to make a dyac 360hz or a dyac 1440p 240hz :(
There seems to be a lot of joy in some circles regarding Alder Lake, and Intel certainly deserves some credit. Looks like Intel is competitive again, and I think that's cool, but there is no "knock out" blow to AMD. In addtion, there is the overall consideration for upgrading existing AM4 platforms and getting a respectable boost with something like a 3950x, which is likely very competitive with Alder Lake in some apps, like Blender. Hopefully, AMD will drop prices, or used market prices will drop. And that would make it a no brainer if you've got an existing AM4 system.
@@_trzn_ I would much rather wait 2 years from now when intel will have a 32 core 14900k and DDR5 memory and motherboards will be half the price they are now... DDR 5 is going to take a couple years before it runs the way it should as well. Some people don't give a fuck and will just spend the money though of course no matter what the future looks like.. Nothing wrong with doing so, but you're also going to be a beta tester for Windows 11 as well.
@@michaelangst6078 Sounds like a good plan. I'm interested to see what Intell has to offer in the GPU realm, too. In the mean time, I can upgrade my AM4 platform. Hopefully the Etherium 2.0 roll-out will put some decent used GPUs on the market.
Good luck with that! I don't see air cooling being an option with Alder Lake SFF builds given its 125 watt TDP... Of course, Ali has done a great job with cramming a 240mm liquid cooling loop into his SFF, but not everyone else has the desire to go with the water cooling route, which makes these new CPU's off limits for SFF builds for many.
Your rec is exactly what I've gone with... kept my 3200mhz CL14 G.skill Ripjaws DDR4 32GB ram, bought the Asus Strix Gaming A (DDR4 mobo) + 12900k, Arctic 420 AIO and still using my 3080 FE (in meshify 2 XL case). I'm just waiting on the updated bracket from Arctic before I can fire her up :/
motherboards are cheaper, psu requirements lower, lower temps=lower cost on the CPU cooler. You are already getting tons of discounts by choosing amd. Intel has only managed to catch AMD a year later than zen 3. The differences are on average 5-8% with tons of cost. If you have the money, wait for 3d cache version of zen 3
@@trevorbarney1796 anti unfair marketing has something to do with that maybe as well as their bad engineering? AMD is a much smaller company compared to Intel; time is relevant. Not to mention, new refresh zen 3d chips are almost here.
@@trevorbarney1796 let us not forget that Intel was making deals under the table to get AMD out of the market, that's why AMD almost went bankrupt. In fact they were only saved because of the money earned in the lawsuits against Intel lol.
They won't cut prices. Why should they? Did Intel ever cut prices while being demolished? People need to stop expecting AMD to act like a stray dog undercutting Intel at every possible corner. They are big bois now. They have the best supported platform in history, are losing by few percentages a year later and Alder Lake is a way bigger investiment when you consider all the other stuff (cooler, mobo, psu, ram, etc). They'll just chill for 2-3 months and recover the leadership (or come really close) with Zen3D.
Under normal circumstances, I believe a lot of people would wait to see what the competition has to offer. But given the consistent backlog of available parts and availability. I can see why a lot of people will go ahead with builds using this new platform now.
This video without any doubt is the best Alder lake benchmark right now. Even other big tech channel didn't covering the advantage of big.Little architecture in Alder lake which is huge for multitasking task like at 6:04.
Hey Ali! Love ur content! I think it'll be interesting to test video transcoding while gaming on esports and AAA titles on this new hybrid beast vs 5950x! To test if the scheduler can schedule task equally between games and background productivity workload! :D
Great review dude! On the rendering note: I use Luxcore with Blender which has caustic rendering that only works on the CPU because of the non parallel caustic algorithm. So that would be a good reason to choose a really good CPU for rendering purposes. Just so you know. Cheers.
Performance at the expense of more watts and heat and more expensive accessories to cool it do not convince me. And obviously this will not fly in laptops.
It convinced most reviewers unfortunately. It would be interesting to see how they compare with power limits in place and also against the Ryzen CPUs with PBO enabled.
@@egalanos It "convinced" the reviewers because they're given early access copies which they then use to make content about and convert that to monetary gains via clicks/ads. This is how the game works and is exactly why the 5950x wasn't using PBO because it'd make the 12900k look completely pointless other than single core. Wouldn't want to upset Intel now, would we?
Pricing currently sit around $620 to $650, not $600. And there's always the extra money you need for a high end AIO (360mm), Money you don't need when going for the 12600K or any of the Ryzen SKUs. Good Z690 seem to come at a hefty premium, where as for Ryzen or the 12600K you can get away with much cheaper options or even B550s or H680 (which aren't available yet due to Intel gouging through high end only at launch).
Always here to support ya boi!! Waiting for next year before i pull the trigger want to see how AMD can get back up from this incredible blow from Intel. My Ncase can’t wait !!
By far the best presenter on CPU optimisation. You can't go wrong with the settings prescribed. He excels from the hardware level right into the competitive gaming itself with outstanding productivity capabilities. Be sure to check out the pbo 2 guide if you are using AMD and probably the very upcoming intel optimisation guide for the 12 gen intel.
Finally a CPU that can render my non-existent footage faster. You should do a poll how many people really benefit from a CPU like this. That would be very interesting.
Ali, I'm worried about compatibility with ITX cases and air coolers, especially since DDR5 seems tall, and the 12th gen socket looks way different. How are we gonna cool our ITX builds?
Intel is pretty much running at 4x the electrical resistance of AMD. The electric bill, the temperature, the cooling system, size of the build… The total cost margin is massive if you account for all those things, and whether the slight performance gain is justified. Never mind that fact that you can just swap out the CPU with ryzen but replacing the motherboard as well with every generation of Intel CPU. If money is not an issue, yes, but you have to be absolutely certain that it's a non-issue.
@@Sanchez._ Maybe it's not important in third world countries but everywhere else it costs , a LOT. It adds up very quickly through the year so efficiency is an important factor for most people
@@arithmetic7105 Unless you are actually making money with the CPU and the performance uplifts justify it or you are filthy rich , only idiots don't care about the electricity cost and efficiency. Suddenly when Intel does it nobody cares anymore about efficiency ? LMAO , You people are deluded
@@A.Froster the problem with this argument is the high power draw only happen when CPU fully load, if u use for gaming it's suck normal amount of power. and full load CPU constantly only use on production workload, if u do production work. u are making money with that CPU
For Gaming i want to see Windows 10 vs Windows 11, it seems general reviews so far Windows 10 is better for gaming, where as Windows 11 is better for production.
@Kahzy ♕My opinion is, 4E (EFFICIENCY CORES) is 2P(PERFORMANCE CORE). So my opinion is 6P+4E is 8 cores that's why it has 16 threads. So it's good for price to performance.
Hey great review as always. Can you test the geaming+streaming scenario with a game which is demanding more cores. F1 is not doing that so the differences should be bigger in other games. Still got Asus Z690i, 12900K + Corsair DDR5 today 🙂
what do you recommend regarding the cooling, since the 12900k wants to get really hot and has been given a rectangular design compared to previous CPUs, so that most AIO coolers don't seem to be able to keep it in check well. Do you perhaps also know whether there are already AIO coolers who connect well to this processor? I know that there are upgrade sets/kits, but I mean really made for the 12900k given its design
Please, make DDR4 3200 CL14 vs 3600 CL16 4000 CL18 (with 12900k) comparison video because there are NO "DDR4 SPEED/LATENCY" comparison videos on RUclips 🥺
I am gaming at 4k 144hz. I have a 3090 and bought a 12900k. Watching this kind of makes me feel like I should return the i9 and go for the i5/7 this gen. Lower power consumption and temps for my sffpc
Tough choice and I had the same decision but went with the 12700K...All 3 seem good with the i5 great for gaming and some production workloads, the i7 a good balance and the 12900K just all out...Also I think optimisations will make a huge difference as this is such a new platform so hopefully even more performance to come..
Please review i7 12700K . Because I think for higher wattage and temparature issues, its better pick i7 rather than i9 for both gaming and worloads compromising just a little bit score .
The 5950x when under same conditions meaning pbo enabled so it used more power, hits high 29k in cb23 so this is not fair to people evaluating both cpus
Hi optimumTech, can you test 11900K in 150W, since there is bench which mention I9 12900K is best running performance/watt at 150W and compare with 5950x which consume 142W... will be great content
What I love about this channel is that power efficiency is always covered. Looking forward for the efficiency tweaking potential follow up video
Intel is #1 in power consumption XD ruclips.net/video/WWsMYHHC6j4/видео.html
True, thanks to his undervolting video of the 3080/3090, I run my RTX 3080 at ~220 watts at 94-95% 4K performance (instead of 320 watts at 100% performance).
Yes, I feel ashamed that I only have one kidney left...
@@TheNetBenji someone ran a powerdraw normalized test and the alderlake actually won. It has the same performance at 4ghz with rocketlake on 5.1ghz and 5950x at 4.7ghz. Hitting 26k or r23 at 4.4ghz at 110w with 50C max temp.
@@Soleft they just want to hate on intel by nitpicking at this point. PC gamers don’t actually care that much about power. Only laptop users do.
Appreciate the hybrid workload testing. I think that is something a lot of reviewers skim out on when it is one of the real use cases that you want to pick up a higher end CPU with more cores.
Loving the competition between teams blue and red! Can't wait to see AMD's response
I doubt if it will be a response so much as the realisation of plans set in motion 5 years ago. The question is, will it produce superior technology.
I'm more interested in that 10 core i5 tbh. I'm interested to see how AMD will combat the 12600K.
I bet the upcoming amd chips are well beyond this and lower power draw
@@Martial-Mat They know what intel releases ahead of launch, they forecasted Alder Lake 4 years ago and prepared a response ahead of schedule its just like movies they are made and are in waiting lists until it releases in theatres
@@subverter1.188 Perhaps you're right. But did they forecast it, or was it industrial espionage? Or simply Intel foreshadowing their new direction?
Power hungry beast with a price tag of a motherboard, ddr4-5 and new aio, then again good to see innovation and competiton again!!
As long as there's competition, everything's alright. That's my view on it. I mean, you'd either have to be insane or have a really good reason to buy a CPU like this anyways.
I have a 5900x and see absolutely no reason to upgrade to this. Just wait a few months for the refreshed 5900x and upgrade to that without having to buy anything else and probably mach or beat this 12900k
@@triliner254 100% man very niche audience this applies too, people who do production on the regular and enthusiasts!
@@mr.simulator4724 yeah man, gotta have very specific requirements to get this and even thats a stretch!
@@triliner254 I mean as of now in canada where I live the cheapest u can get ur hands on 12 gen is 500 bucks on the i5 and 700 dollars for ram 400 for mobo. Very rough launch but in years they should bring down wattage with 13 gen hopefully (so it's not really competing it feels more like a beta launch for wealthy early adopters to test it out online)
Thank you for covering 1440p as well! I keep getting excited when I see the 1080p fps boost so it feels good to be reminded how minimal the gains actually are in 1440p.
ye 1440p is the standard for what most enthusiast game at. 1080p testing is kinda a legacy of the past and not reflected in high end pc gaming today.
Just an idea: Would love to see a temp to performance efficiency comparisons for the latest CPUs (AMD and Intel). Tested in a 10-12L case, with a low profile cooler, all capped to the maximum TDP you're able to get away with while keeping it for example below 85 C. Then seeing how they perform. Could be a good guide / reference or SFF people to figure out which CPUs to go with and what cooling is required.
Forget it. Cooling this new Intel chip isn't something that can be achieved in a ITX form factor.. doubt there will be many ITX boards available or worth while utilizing
"what cooling is requires" its not rocket science, either AIO or custom loop. lots of builds to copy off from nowadays. do your research.
@@HitoriGnocchi Nobody ever said it's rocket science. As well as I have obviously done my research on the matter. A temp to performance test with the latest CPUs would be a continuation to that. Very few outlets ever test within heavy thermal and size (cooler) restrictions, and how much watts a CPU gets can have different effect of impacts to performance, in combination how undervolting works with that particular chip.
@@coolhand4598 First of all, I said all the latest AMD and Intel chips, not this CPU only. Enthusiasts don't just "forget it", they try to cram as much as possible into the smallest machines to see what they can get away with. Lastly I'm unsure what you mean by doubting there will be many ITX board available. You mean for the entire 12k series? No clue why you'd think that.
Given your enthusiasm for SFF builds, I'd love to see if this cpu stands a chance in a compact build without heavy tuning. The power consumption seems just insane, and it makes me wonder whether even Ryzen 5000 (forgetting whatever their next launch will look like) would remain the go-to for small builds running high-end parts.
Man i wonder if the 12900k is unnecessarily overvolted. The power usage looks really similar to a pbo'ed 5950x
mobo makers might be the culprit. they increase the voltage to boost the number to look better than others
The power usage on these is just sad. Reminds me of nVidia's Fermi.
All the more tragic, since my friend's 5950X gets a good deal over 30K points in CB R23 by simply turning on PBO (tho there are way better ways to milk more performance out of it).
@@robertstan298 This is pentium4 vs althlon64 all over again IMO, albeit with a little bit newer gimmicks from Intel.
@@fist003 this is very true. I just got a new PC and noticed in the bios that the voltage was set to 1.5 volts which was crazy. It resulted ludicrous temps like 70-85 degrees C when just doing everyday normal CPU tasks like downloading something or transferring a file
@@emiel255 what cooler are you using? That is extremely warm. Something isn't right there
There's a certain amount of calmness in your videos. Love to watch your content! 👍🏻👌🏻
Hey Ali, great review as always! Would you consider adding a code compile test to your production workloads? It would be really nice to see how these processors stack up in something like Chromium build. Thanks
Watch Hardware Unboxed review
Gamers Nexus has you covered aswell if you are interested in that
Android studio build is also very cpu taxing
I wish he did code compile
@@tillfricke6659 Gamers Nexus benchmark are garbage and flawed, he use Windows 10 which makes Intel Alder Lake performance decreased 5-10%.
@@runninginthe90s75 While you are correct that they use Windows 10 as their OS for benchmarks and that doesn't 100% reflect the performance in Windows 11, it is fair to use Win 10 as the baseline system considering most people currently use it and will for the next year or so. Neither the less the results of GN will give you a decent idea of code compile performance and their benchmarks are for sure neither garbage or flawed, especially considering that they clearly stated that/why they use Win10 and that using Win11 will increase performance of Alder Lake here and there by a few percent
Honestly man your channel is so amazing. Keep up the good work. No pre-rolls, sponsored slots or other BS, just quality content.
Overall, I think that Ryzen is still a better choice, because of the much lower power consumption and motherboard price
In gaming adl are the same or 10w lower power consumption
@@spitfire219 but performance is also roughly the same
Hey man, I've been diggin your channel heavily since I found it recently while learning about the monitor market. Much much love for the great quality, I hope everything is well for you personally friend! I'm really curious how long it will take benq to make a dyac 360hz or a dyac 1440p 240hz :(
Can't wait for a non-throttling SFF build, that will be a beast.
Ah, my favorite channel and one most antecipated videos of the year. Life is good 😌
My board and chip just came in today.... just waiting on my ddr5 and its tuning time! I cant wait to see what this new architecture can do
8:30 nice i5 12900k lmao. Great video all around. I see you put in a lot of thoughts and effort
Here comes the best reviewer of CPUs on youtube :)
Seriously, you make the most relevant benchmarks and tests.
Always love the content! The Kunai in your video was the icing on the cake 😂
Even his testbench is black and minimal and clean, that’s beautiful
Best tech channel out there. Thank you!
Review well done!
There's one thing people don't get... I would much rather choose a CPU that's not as fast but is cool, than a CPU that needs a fridge to work.
Undervolt and get the best of both worlds
@@default.character that's not how underwolting works...
A lot of the alder lake reviews forget that AMD will likely drop prices. Thats a pretty big factor.
Good video though!
There seems to be a lot of joy in some circles regarding Alder Lake, and Intel certainly deserves some credit. Looks like Intel is competitive again, and I think that's cool, but there is no "knock out" blow to AMD. In addtion, there is the overall consideration for upgrading existing AM4 platforms and getting a respectable boost with something like a 3950x, which is likely very competitive with Alder Lake in some apps, like Blender. Hopefully, AMD will drop prices, or used market prices will drop. And that would make it a no brainer if you've got an existing AM4 system.
@@_trzn_ I would much rather wait 2 years from now when intel will have a 32 core 14900k and DDR5 memory and motherboards will be half the price they are now... DDR 5 is going to take a couple years before it runs the way it should as well. Some people don't give a fuck and will just spend the money though of course no matter what the future looks like.. Nothing wrong with doing so, but you're also going to be a beta tester for Windows 11 as well.
@@michaelangst6078 Sounds like a good plan. I'm interested to see what Intell has to offer in the GPU realm, too. In the mean time, I can upgrade my AM4 platform. Hopefully the Etherium 2.0 roll-out will put some decent used GPUs on the market.
Nice job Intel. Still super happy with my 5900x and 3080 combo. Ddr5 memory and Intel motherboards are expensive as hell
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to seeing a mini itx build with 12900k from you.
Good luck with that! I don't see air cooling being an option with Alder Lake SFF builds given its 125 watt TDP... Of course, Ali has done a great job with cramming a 240mm liquid cooling loop into his SFF, but not everyone else has the desire to go with the water cooling route, which makes these new CPU's off limits for SFF builds for many.
Glad Intel is back in the game
for now
@@HitoriGnocchi “from here on out”
Your rec is exactly what I've gone with... kept my 3200mhz CL14 G.skill Ripjaws DDR4 32GB ram, bought the Asus Strix Gaming A (DDR4 mobo) + 12900k, Arctic 420 AIO and still using my 3080 FE (in meshify 2 XL case). I'm just waiting on the updated bracket from Arctic before I can fire her up :/
amazing p-cores and e-cores. mind sharing the bios setting bro?
those new decoders on the iGpu makes this extremely tempting for me... I'll try to hold off for the next gen
Why? LGA1700 will support RaptorLake. You can just swap it in when it releases. It will have an 8-10% ipc gain and 16 E cores.
@@TheBlackIdentety better get top of the line i9 raptorlake along with Z790 if he can wait
@@TheBlackIdentety current motherboard state very small DDR5 support, like max 64 or 128GB of ram and the current PCIe situation feels just wonky
Love the hybrid benches..
Man, I'm expecting some 5600x price cut. I'm ready!
motherboards are cheaper, psu requirements lower, lower temps=lower cost on the CPU cooler. You are already getting tons of discounts by choosing amd. Intel has only managed to catch AMD a year later than zen 3. The differences are on average 5-8% with tons of cost. If you have the money, wait for 3d cache version of zen 3
@@muhammedkeser7064 let us not forget it took AMD 10 years to get there to begin with. Argument of time isn’t really relevant.
@@trevorbarney1796 anti unfair marketing has something to do with that maybe as well as their bad engineering? AMD is a much smaller company compared to Intel; time is relevant. Not to mention, new refresh zen 3d chips are almost here.
@@trevorbarney1796 let us not forget that Intel was making deals under the table to get AMD out of the market, that's why AMD almost went bankrupt. In fact they were only saved because of the money earned in the lawsuits against Intel lol.
They won't cut prices. Why should they? Did Intel ever cut prices while being demolished? People need to stop expecting AMD to act like a stray dog undercutting Intel at every possible corner. They are big bois now. They have the best supported platform in history, are losing by few percentages a year later and Alder Lake is a way bigger investiment when you consider all the other stuff (cooler, mobo, psu, ram, etc). They'll just chill for 2-3 months and recover the leadership (or come really close) with Zen3D.
youre videos are always the best
incredible price/performance but good lord does this thing need a lot of power+cooling
Now build a full liquid loop in FormDT1 with this little heater. Only you are able to do it man!
I have never seen a test bench that looks that good lmao
Under normal circumstances, I believe a lot of people would wait to see what the competition has to offer. But given the consistent backlog of available parts and availability. I can see why a lot of people will go ahead with builds using this new platform now.
This video without any doubt is the best Alder lake benchmark right now. Even other big tech channel didn't covering the advantage of big.Little architecture in Alder lake which is huge for multitasking task like at 6:04.
Hey Ali! Love ur content! I think it'll be interesting to test video transcoding while gaming on esports and AAA titles on this new hybrid beast vs 5950x! To test if the scheduler can schedule task equally between games and background productivity workload! :D
Great review dude!
On the rendering note: I use Luxcore with Blender which has caustic rendering that only works on the CPU because of the non parallel caustic algorithm. So that would be a good reason to choose a really good CPU for rendering purposes. Just so you know.
Cheers.
Performance at the expense of more watts and heat and more expensive accessories to cool it do not convince me. And obviously this will not fly in laptops.
It convinced most reviewers unfortunately.
It would be interesting to see how they compare with power limits in place and also against the Ryzen CPUs with PBO enabled.
@@egalanos It "convinced" the reviewers because they're given early access copies which they then use to make content about and convert that to monetary gains via clicks/ads. This is how the game works and is exactly why the 5950x wasn't using PBO because it'd make the 12900k look completely pointless other than single core. Wouldn't want to upset Intel now, would we?
That hybrid multitasking, gah-lee. I too have a gripe with the out of the box setup
8:03 Nice knife, weird flex ;-)
Please test how far the 12900k can go in gear 1 mode with DDR4!
I was checking if its time to upgrade from my ryzen 3600, and nope. Still competitive.
its so weird that your gaming tests showed such small results, many reviewers are showing massive gains for the 12900k vs Zen3
man that 12gen i9 guide would come in SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER clutch right now
Great and informative video. Please make a more in depth video of the cpu handling multiple and more demanding workflows.
Pricing currently sit around $620 to $650, not $600. And there's always the extra money you need for a high end AIO (360mm), Money you don't need when going for the 12600K or any of the Ryzen SKUs. Good Z690 seem to come at a hefty premium, where as for Ryzen or the 12600K you can get away with much cheaper options or even B550s or H680 (which aren't available yet due to Intel gouging through high end only at launch).
+90c on a 360 liquid cooler and 260W consumption
What the hell is amazing about that
8:06 casual full medieval dagger flex
Always here to support ya boi!! Waiting for next year before i pull the trigger want to see how AMD can get back up from this incredible blow from Intel. My Ncase can’t wait !!
another great review, i like the fact that you pointed out that AMDs updated 5000 series is on its way as well
New intel i9 is a beast!
damn my boy hasn't slept he's wearing the same shirt!
Another quality video and nice to see Intel finally challenging AMD again
Not just in performance but also in cost. Which I as a consumer actually care about.
By far the best presenter on CPU optimisation. You can't go wrong with the settings prescribed. He excels from the hardware level right into the competitive gaming itself with outstanding productivity capabilities. Be sure to check out the pbo 2 guide if you are using AMD and probably the very upcoming intel optimisation guide for the 12 gen intel.
Nice to see Intel make some headway with this i9 12900K.
Wow Ali, for every new video I feel that you are becoming more and more knowledgeable, great job man!
Hoping for a 12 series ITX review. Can you run a 12900k in a SFF case?
Finally a CPU that can render my non-existent footage faster. You should do a poll how many people really benefit from a CPU like this. That would be very interesting.
Us gamers need that i5
Another Great video Ali
So Intel just threw 100% more power consumption to compete.
EXACTLY!
iGPU, DDR5, PCIe Gen 5, 20% faster IPC
The beast has arrived and it is a beast...believe dat.
Ali, I'm worried about compatibility with ITX cases and air coolers, especially since DDR5 seems tall, and the 12th gen socket looks way different. How are we gonna cool our ITX builds?
Intel is pretty much running at 4x the electrical resistance of AMD. The electric bill, the temperature, the cooling system, size of the build…
The total cost margin is massive if you account for all those things, and whether the slight performance gain is justified.
Never mind that fact that you can just swap out the CPU with ryzen but replacing the motherboard as well with every generation of Intel CPU.
If money is not an issue, yes, but you have to be absolutely certain that it's a non-issue.
The electric bill, are u kidding mate hahaha
@@Sanchez._ Maybe it's not important in third world countries but everywhere else it costs , a LOT. It adds up very quickly through the year so efficiency is an important factor for most people
@@A.Froster you're paying £500+ for a CPU and you're worried about paying a bit extra for your energy? You AMD fanboys are funny
@@arithmetic7105 Unless you are actually making money with the CPU and the performance uplifts justify it or you are filthy rich , only idiots don't care about the electricity cost and efficiency. Suddenly when Intel does it nobody cares anymore about efficiency ? LMAO , You people are deluded
@@A.Froster the problem with this argument is
the high power draw only happen when CPU fully load, if u use for gaming it's suck normal amount of power.
and full load CPU constantly only use on production workload, if u do production work. u are making money with that CPU
thank you for timestamps :)
Wow... looks like intel definitely came back.
For Gaming i want to see Windows 10 vs Windows 11, it seems general reviews so far Windows 10 is better for gaming, where as Windows 11 is better for production.
Same - waiting to pull the trigger on which I'll load on my new setup
Fyi your audio is not good, or not as good as it normally is. I look forward to seeing said cpu in a itx case with a 240 or 280 AIO.
I'm unable to properly cool this beast and I'm out of ideas :D Apart from a custom water loop which is still a bit too expensive for me
241W, that's insane!
Get use to the new normal.
Threadripper like, the 12900K is basically a Threadripper that is like 60% better in singlethreaded workloads and gaming.
Thank goodness someone's not biased as hell and mentions waiting to see what amd offers xD unlike ahem ahem Mr follows performance
Single digit performance increases for close to twice the power consumption, it's the intel way
Honestly the 12600K will be the absolute winner of the current CPUs
It's BY FAR the most attractive CPU on the current market
@Kahzy ♕My opinion is, 4E (EFFICIENCY CORES) is 2P(PERFORMANCE CORE). So my opinion is 6P+4E is 8 cores that's why it has 16 threads. So it's good for price to performance.
You were probably already planning this but please make a video comparing the new z690-i motherboards
Hey great review as always. Can you test the geaming+streaming scenario with a game which is demanding more cores. F1 is not doing that so the differences should be bigger in other games.
Still got Asus Z690i, 12900K + Corsair DDR5 today 🙂
what do you recommend regarding the cooling, since the 12900k wants to get really hot and has been given a rectangular design compared to previous CPUs, so that most AIO coolers don't seem to be able to keep it in check well. Do you perhaps also know whether there are already AIO coolers who connect well to this processor? I know that there are upgrade sets/kits, but I mean really made for the 12900k given its design
When is i5-12400 coming out?
power draw is just insane. Imagine the powersuply needed to power i912900k and the upcomming 3090 ti.
what about delidding it, @OptimumTech? coz 80°+ on full load does not sound "better" than what most of us already have in our PCs.
nice to see, that the 5900x isnt far behind in gaming. still happy with my choice :)
Plz do a video about undervolting and lower PL1 target for the 12900k
Please, make DDR4 3200 CL14 vs 3600 CL16 4000 CL18 (with 12900k) comparison video because there are NO "DDR4 SPEED/LATENCY" comparison videos on RUclips 🥺
Jesus, that power draw and those thermals are fucked.
I am gaming at 4k 144hz. I have a 3090 and bought a 12900k. Watching this kind of makes me feel like I should return the i9 and go for the i5/7 this gen. Lower power consumption and temps for my sffpc
Tough choice and I had the same decision but went with the 12700K...All 3 seem good with the i5 great for gaming and some production workloads, the i7 a good balance and the 12900K just all out...Also I think optimisations will make a huge difference as this is such a new platform so hopefully even more performance to come..
An undervolt review would be interesting
Please review i7 12700K .
Because I think for higher wattage and temparature issues, its better pick i7 rather than i9 for both gaming and worloads compromising just a little bit score .
The 5950x when under same conditions meaning pbo enabled so it used more power, hits high 29k in cb23 so this
is not fair to people evaluating both cpus
Mate its a request but can you add some CAD/Ansys workflow tests to the comparison?
If AMD didn't give a shit about power package and temps they would destroy this.
You say it’s cheaper but with the mobo prices and ddr5 prices it’s worthed paying more for ryzen.
That Wraith QUIETO kunai tho!
Hi optimumTech, can you test 11900K in 150W, since there is bench which mention I9 12900K is best running performance/watt at 150W and compare with 5950x which consume 142W... will be great content
Would have been nice if you included the 10900K chips in your benchmarks for gaming
Ali do you think purchase a ghost s1 case at this time is still a good choice?
Why isn't anyone reviewing the 12700k..
Hardware unboxed just did a review on the 12700kf, looks pretty impressive
PBO? Interested in seeing "performance per watt" comparision for lowest and highest caps.
when is the optimized i9 12900k video coming out?
I'm waiting for a video with a energy/cooling/performance focussed build to get the feeling of these new processors