Thank you for including aging cpu like 3700x. Actually the exact cpu I have currently and considering upgrading from. Seeing the apples to apples of older cpu vs new is so helpful rather than just the newest stuff running against each other like other reviews. Great content
He doesnt included both values, he include one game valorant on low profile because if you check other videos where you have powerdraw on monitor you can see in most games AMD take less power than Intel you can see lot of videos on youtube to prove
The 58003dx is just amazing. Low power draw and is very close in terms of performance compared to top tier next gen CPU's for gaming. Also still uses am4 socket.
its quite useless, lower MT performance and on average tested with like 50 games on hwunboxed its only 6% faster on average, so 190 fps vs 200 big deal lol
@@najeebshah. these are terrible games to test the 3d v cache and the increased L3 lmao it's night and day, the 5800x3d vs the other processors, in specific memory timing and cpu intensive games
If you already have the required platform for the 5800X3D, you can always decide to buy into the newer platforms when you need to - you'd have purchased the same number of new motherboards/CPUs at that point.. There's no actual downside to waiting, unless there's some reason you'd need the 7600X/13600K now.
Considering how close these all are when CPU bottlenecked, the 13900k and 7950X don't make much sense for gaming, and the 7600x, 5800x3D and 13600k are all stellar choices.
@@nVinter problem about v cache is they it doesn’t target the mid range cpu market, Aka right where the 13600k fits in. So just appreciate all the competition, and for anyone that can afford 3d cache then yeah it should def be worth the wait
I went for a regular 7600. Not only does it have a lower TDP than the 7600X by default, but it's also still perfectly adequate for high refresh rate 1440p gaming, much like the 4070 I settled on. Sure, last-gen is a lot better in raw price to performance, but I didn't want to get stuck with no upgrade path on AM4, and I also wanted the power efficiency of parts lower on the generational spectrum. (Extra context: I do undervolting.)
It would be great if you could include what gpu you used for the gaming benchmarks. Testing games with the 4090 to see what resolution each cpu gets bottlenecked at would really help for those who don't upgrade cpus that often.
Although not mentioned in the video, the 5800X3D seems to be classes apart from the competition when it comes to games like MSFS, MMOs and certain VR titles.
Man, your videos are pure quality content! The comparison of memory in gaming and productivity alone is amazing and really shows you know what the common viewers want!
It's nice to have someone with the ins and outs of system configuration combinations to lean on. There are so many "if you want to use THAT you must use THIS with it" combinations it makes my brain hurt. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mr. Optimum.
just upgraded my 3700X to the 5800X3D.. great value and really great to push consistent high FPS in most titles... also halved my compile times in Visual Studio
I would say it depends on your specific usage and current HW that you own. All 3 have their values and also have trade offs. 5800x3d is bad at productivity and on dead platform, 13600k great at everything but on the dead platform, 7600X doesnt make much sense since 7700X is much better pick, its great at everything on fresh platform with upgrade path but cost more than other 2 choices.
@@TheFyreSA am4 is not getting any new processors since amd moved on to am5(the socket the cpu plugs into). the ryzen 5800x3d is pretty much the best cpu you can put in an am4 system for forever
@@florider_hd I think so too. Therer are many ppl with AM4 motherboards. just get the 5800x3d and upgrade in like 3-4 years when ddr5 is as cheap as ddr4 is now. Same with mobos
I went with the 5800X3D. I feel like I shouldn't need to upgrade for about 4 years unless there is some mindblowing tech released out of nowhere sooner.
Someone once told me I was foolish for upgrading to the 5800x3d instead of purchasing a 7,000 series cpu, mobo, and ddr5… looks like he’s the fool and my wallet is happier!
I don't like that you're comparing the 13600 on DDR4 to the rest. It's a DDR5 chip. Gimping it down to DDR4 to put it next to the 5800X3D doesn't make sense. The 5800X3D is meant to compete against the new chips in their optimal configurations. The heads up comparison should be 5800X3D on DDR4 to 13600 on DDR5. The whole point of the 5800X3D is that it's close in performance to these chips without forcing you to rebuild your whole system. It should be based on the products goals and the company's intentions. Instead we have a comparison based on what's good for content creation and talking about trendy parts in a way that frames them in a better light then what they really are. If you pay attention to the video and look for the DDR5 result you can clearly see that the 5800X3D is handily beaten and costs about $100 more than the 13600K. That should be the conversation here. Gamers Nexus made that exact point.
@@ayygetWent with rhe 5800x3d for better cost efficient. Paired it with 32gb 3200mts cl16, used for 1 day 3080 suprim x for 600 eu. Paid 1800 eu in total for the whole build and I’m extremely happy.
@@AliUguz I don't think you should have upgraded to AM4 as your first build. I mean don't get me wrong, the 5800X3D is an extremely capable processor, but if you want to future proof, there are better alternatives. The 5800X3D is only really good for people who have AM4 already.
I like how you research what people are asking about/curious about currently. I can tell, and the way you present things is just *chefs kiss*. PS, I haven't started the video. I just know. PS again, love ya.
I am currently waiting to pick up my Ryzen 7 5800X 3D tomorrow. I have my Asus Rog Strix B550-F Gaming board, Rx 6800 XT, Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (2PK X 16GB) 3600MHz DDR4. Upgrading from Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core Processor. :D
You say that currently available CPUs are fast enough for the future but after the Starfield release, as well as some UE5 games we see that games are CPU-bound, meaning that old CPUs won't hold up.
i wouldve loved to see 1440p benchmarks im currently still running my i9 9900k and have been thinking whether i need an upgrade for it at 1440p or if it will do for another year
3:15 I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken there. DDR5 4800 CL40 will absolutely cripple the 7600X compared to 6000Mhz CL30. Ryzen 7000 is extremely speed and latency sensitive. Check out the Hardware Unboxed video.
you shoulda mentioned if you choose 13600k, you're stuck on that platform and your upgradability path will be only until the 13900k, because the mobo gen is ending. that's what i need opinions from
one thing not mentioned is performance in those simulation heavy games with light graphics like rimworld, dwarf fortress, factorio or paradox grand strategy stuff: the 5800x3d wins by huge margins especially when fast forwarding on full speed
where i live, the 5800x3D is 50$ cheaper than the 13600k, and motherboards are much more expensive than you listed. 200$ for z690, 150$ for b550, 160$ for b660
@@kangsterizer i mean he partially did, its just that the prices he listed are way below what they cost where i live. Also the 13600k is 410€ and 5800x3D is 360€, so those were wrong for me too
Amazing video! It’s great that you benchmarked with the actually recommended memory and motherboard configurations. Would have been nice to see how the 7600X performs with 16GB of DDR5-4800, but looks like there aren’t many reasons to pick it anyway. And just to add, the power limit on the B660 Pro RS doesn’t exist on midrange B660 boards, for example the MSI Pro B660M-A which is only $120.
Because things are so close this generation for gaming, for me, I’m looking to AM5 - I want to be able to upgrade long term, and the 13th gen Intel chips are great, but the platform is dead next year. Same as 5800X3D. Being able to amortise my platform cost over years is important for me: but it’s also why I’m not upgrading yet! My 5600X is more than good enough right now :) it’s a good time for consumers in the CPU space. It’s about the motherboard feature set for me. AM5, the current releases are crazy in terms of future proofing. So if the extra cores in 13th gen are good like you said for future proofing, then the forward looking functionality of the AM5 platform also should be IMO
But that just confuses casuals further. You have to remember that the name “intel 10nm” was just as arbitrary as “intel 7”. No different than how TSMC chooses to call their node “N7”. They are just names, not measurements.
i would have liked to see this with some low latency 3600 or 4000mhz DDR4. i run my b-die DDR4 kit at 3733 at CL15-15-15, and i am rather sure it would be closer to the fast DDR5, than the slow DDR4 modules you tested with.
I got the 13700K which should be close to the 13900K in gaming and I'm going to pair with my 4000 CL17 ram that can run on my current system at 4200 CL17. Should be up there in speed vs decent DDR5.
@@guily6669 Its mostly before Ryzen cpu's on DDr4 wouldnt get any meaningful uplift in performance past 3600mhz. So the next best things were to lower the timing of the ddr4 ram at 3600mhz.
Currently where i'm from the 7600X is around 110 usd cheaper then 13600K/5800X3D (not to mention non-X 7600 which have nearly the same gaming perfomance as X). Seems like no brainer to invest into AM5 here right?
I went from 5900x to 5800x3d with 3080 and ddr3600 cl14...it pushes the 3080 to max now, lows are way better at 4k. And it's noticeably smoother, getting extra high fps also, cyberpunk is better now, I get more fps, better lows and now get 65-74 fps at 4k ultra settings with more ray tracing I can add now, perfectly smooth in busiest area now. Bf 2042 is also way better now. Worth the upgrade for me, can skip am5 now.
7600x in eco mode or a regular 7600 right now which is only $194 is actually a great option for gamers. It only consumes 65w and you get the upgrade path to 8000 and 9000 series
you should test the 13600k with ddr4 4000cl 16 and ddr5 7200 i would be very interested to see how this stacks up since in theory thats one of the 13600k' strengths and using slower memory on both ddr4 and ddr5 I feel isn't doing it justice.
It always depends on price also what is the best deal when things are so close in performance. In my country the price difference between the 13600k and the 5800X3D is the same amount but the other way around offsetting the whole picture for even new builds.Making the old AM4 even very attractive for new builds.
13600k is the best overall imo. However, the 7000X3D chips are definitely coming at some point which will be amazing if the 5800X3D is anything to go off of.
Getting am5 now makes since for zen5 upgrade. Zen5 Xilinx accelerators will reduce CPU overhead with direct storage and give ai functions for next gen gaming/productivity. Cpus of the future will be more feature based upgrades. Great video the comparison was awesome
10:25 it's only half-correct for AM4, honestly as I personally experienced it myself. I hope that AM5 wouldn't be the same. Started with MSI X370 SLI Plus and R5 1600 back in 2018 thinking that I wouldn't have to upgrade my motherboard, it turns out to be untrue as 1st gen Ryzen AM4 motherboards (A320, B350, and X370) are severely limited when compared to the 2nd gen motherboards (A420, B450, and X470). Fortunately the 3rd gen motherboards are quite good, especially the B550 boards as they're more or less on par in terms of features when compared to X370. Down the road, I've upgraded to R5 3600 in 2020, then switching up the motherboard to MSI B550 Gaming Plus in 2021, and finally put a stop at R7 5800X3D back in January this year.
as usual, best tech video online. i would want to know if there are any bugs with these new cpus. like the tpm 2.0 has some issues in amd cpus ... things like those
I've been building my own systems for the last 20 years & almost never purchased anything new. I always wait until new CPU's are 100% faster in benchmarks & hopefully games. 20-30% CPU performance increase is really hard to notice. 10-20 seconds isn't going to change my productivity.
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btw GPU used for testing was an RTX 3090 👍
I replayed the intro twice to see if I had missed that info, thanks
I am AMD A8
Why is the 7700x so much higher in Valorant, yet you say the 5800x3D was top? Did you mislabel the graph?
Would you consider repeating the test with an RTX 4090 to see how much headroom the 5800X3D has considering future GPU upgrades?
Try the 4090 according to one channel with the 4090 the new cpus crush the 5800x3d
I love seeing the power draw while gaming in the cpu reviews, which is much more important for gamers than the power draw at full load.
It is now, especially in UK or EU prices of electric is making it so i cannot have PC on much now, i am not buying DDR5 ram yet either.
@@potentpotions73personsunko37 I understand why, but DDR5 is getting much cheaper. Still more than DDR4 which is dirt cheap right now.
@@potentpotions73personsunko37 Sorry our president over here sucks.
i really like the fact that the i5 match the 7700 that is just one range higher.
@@WyFoster was trump better?
Thank you for including aging cpu like 3700x. Actually the exact cpu I have currently and considering upgrading from. Seeing the apples to apples of older cpu vs new is so helpful rather than just the newest stuff running against each other like other reviews. Great content
Great video, I really liked the fact you included both power consumption values while gaming and doing productivity tests.
The fact you can put any 13th gen cpu at 80 watts and it still gets first place in all games is amazing.
He doesnt included both values, he include one game valorant on low profile because if you check other videos where you have powerdraw on monitor you can see in most games AMD take less power than Intel you can see lot of videos on youtube to prove
The 58003dx is just amazing. Low power draw and is very close in terms of performance compared to top tier next gen CPU's for gaming. Also still uses am4 socket.
... And Ddr4 and no motherboard swap. It's the sweetest deal
its quite useless, lower MT performance and on average tested with like 50 games on hwunboxed its only 6% faster on average, so 190 fps vs 200 big deal lol
@@najeebshah. I don't think you understand what 'useless' means.
@@najeebshah. these are terrible games to test the 3d v cache and the increased L3 lmao
it's night and day, the 5800x3d vs the other processors, in specific memory timing and cpu intensive games
@@najeebshah. Its useless because its faster and cheaper than the competition?
Sure buddy
If you already have the required platform for the 5800X3D, you can always decide to buy into the newer platforms when you need to - you'd have purchased the same number of new motherboards/CPUs at that point.. There's no actual downside to waiting, unless there's some reason you'd need the 7600X/13600K now.
in valorant my fps tripled compared to my 3700x
Considering how close these all are when CPU bottlenecked, the 13900k and 7950X don't make much sense for gaming, and the 7600x, 5800x3D and 13600k are all stellar choices.
Personally I'm waiting to see what the 7800X3D brings to the table.
Same. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake are good but nothing groundbreaking. V cache actually has the potential to be just that.
@@rdmz135 Raptor
Especially since that will be the second-gen 3D v-cache implementation.
Yeap. I'm just waiting for the 7800X3D that will eventually come and shoot down intel for sure.
@@nVinter problem about v cache is they it doesn’t target the mid range cpu market, Aka right where the 13600k fits in. So just appreciate all the competition, and for anyone that can afford 3d cache then yeah it should def be worth the wait
Exactly the 3 CPUs i was looking into, thanks for the comparison :)
I went for a regular 7600. Not only does it have a lower TDP than the 7600X by default, but it's also still perfectly adequate for high refresh rate 1440p gaming, much like the 4070 I settled on. Sure, last-gen is a lot better in raw price to performance, but I didn't want to get stuck with no upgrade path on AM4, and I also wanted the power efficiency of parts lower on the generational spectrum. (Extra context: I do undervolting.)
Thanks so much for this video. Those are exactly the CPUs i'm struggling to decide between for my next build!
My personal choice would be overcked low latency b-die ddr4 ram with 13600k, but all of these choices seem pretty fine.
It would be great if you could include what gpu you used for the gaming benchmarks. Testing games with the 4090 to see what resolution each cpu gets bottlenecked at would really help for those who don't upgrade cpus that often.
RTX 3090 was used
At 1080p, I would guess that these probably are cpu bottlenecks.
@@shanecar84 Which is exactly what you'd want on a CPU benchmark o7
Notice when comparing CPU's lots of benchmarks will use lower 1080p settings
5800x3d even with ddr4 is insane
13600 with ddr4 too
I change my ryzen 1600 to 5800Xx3D this week, its impressive whats am4 can delivery on my old B350. Excellent video!
I thought b450 is the last to support 5000 series?
5800X3D is great to ride out AM4 into its twilight years :)
Going for the 5800x3d . And completely upgrade when the new cpu come out like in 4 years
Although not mentioned in the video, the 5800X3D seems to be classes apart from the competition when it comes to games like MSFS, MMOs and certain VR titles.
yeah and in less optimized indie titles the 5800x3d seems to dominate
Its the best for Factorio
Raptor Lake does really good for MMOs as well
This is exactly the reason I will be getting the 7800x3d.
LOL. Not vs Raptor Lake on tuned ddr5. It's a bloodbath (raptor by 20%)
Just bought the 5800x3D, this CPU ist amazing, love it.
Man, you've been busy. Can't wait to see your personal build upgrade with new gen components!
Man, your videos are pure quality content! The comparison of memory in gaming and productivity alone is amazing and really shows you know what the common viewers want!
It's nice to have someone with the ins and outs of system configuration combinations to lean on. There are so many "if you want to use THAT you must use THIS with it" combinations it makes my brain hurt. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Mr. Optimum.
just upgraded my 3700X to the 5800X3D.. great value and really great to push consistent high FPS in most titles... also halved my compile times in Visual Studio
I feel sorry for your bad decision
@@tilapiadave3234 Which option do you think would be the best?
@@tilapiadave3234 Why.
@@MATTW3R Why not ?
I am still using my Ryzen 7 3700X and playing games at 1080p. I’m planning on upgrading to Intel i7 13700K but I’m not sure whether it is wise or not
I would say it depends on your specific usage and current HW that you own. All 3 have their values and also have trade offs. 5800x3d is bad at productivity and on dead platform, 13600k great at everything but on the dead platform, 7600X doesnt make much sense since 7700X is much better pick, its great at everything on fresh platform with upgrade path but cost more than other 2 choices.
for most people i think the 5800x3d is the best since am4 is really popular and you basically dont lose power using the cpu with older mobos.
Sorry I’m very new to pc building, what do you mean by dead platform?
@@TheFyreSA am4 is not getting any new processors since amd moved on to am5(the socket the cpu plugs into). the ryzen 5800x3d is pretty much the best cpu you can put in an am4 system for forever
@@florider_hd I think so too. Therer are many ppl with AM4 motherboards. just get the 5800x3d and upgrade in like 3-4 years when ddr5 is as cheap as ddr4 is now. Same with mobos
Current intel gen and dead platform lol
Damn, been waiting for this video.
I'm just saving money to replace my trusty old Ryzen 5 3600 with Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
That’s gonna be an amazing upgrade 😊
0:20 DDR4 vs DDR5 is making the gap grow larger each week.
Already saw DDR5-9300 being an OC fact on air cooling.
bdie vipers for 100$ running at 4133c15 say that again
5333mhz DDR4 CL22 kits that OC to 5866 CL21 have something to say about that.
Until DDR5 has CAS latency that is 10ns lower it wont make sense for gaming over DDR4.
This is the clarity I needed. Thank you!!
those arent my business really
With 4090 there are games that CPU bottleneck at 4k now so it would be nice to test games with that issue.
I went with the 5800X3D. I feel like I shouldn't need to upgrade for about 4 years unless there is some mindblowing tech released out of nowhere sooner.
There will be- the 7800X3D ;)
@@calvinminer4365not mind blowing 😂
intel is actually insane this launch for budget options
pretty happy with my 5800X3D 🤙
What about the new i7? Is it not worth buying it for mostly gaming? It's never in the comparisons, only the i5 or i9. What's the reason for that?
Would love to see RPCS3 benchmarks and maybe even Citra (that used to run better on Intel)
Loving closeup hardware shots ,very nice ! 😊
Someone once told me I was foolish for upgrading to the 5800x3d instead of purchasing a 7,000 series cpu, mobo, and ddr5… looks like he’s the fool and my wallet is happier!
I don't like that you're comparing the 13600 on DDR4 to the rest. It's a DDR5 chip. Gimping it down to DDR4 to put it next to the 5800X3D doesn't make sense. The 5800X3D is meant to compete against the new chips in their optimal configurations. The heads up comparison should be 5800X3D on DDR4 to 13600 on DDR5. The whole point of the 5800X3D is that it's close in performance to these chips without forcing you to rebuild your whole system. It should be based on the products goals and the company's intentions. Instead we have a comparison based on what's good for content creation and talking about trendy parts in a way that frames them in a better light then what they really are. If you pay attention to the video and look for the DDR5 result you can clearly see that the 5800X3D is handily beaten and costs about $100 more than the 13600K. That should be the conversation here. Gamers Nexus made that exact point.
I will be building my first pc with the 13600k and z690 mobo thanks for the video
Great! I wish I can follow up the progress from your work. I hope you can share it to us.
@@ayygetWent with rhe 5800x3d for better cost efficient. Paired it with 32gb 3200mts cl16, used for 1 day 3080 suprim x for 600 eu. Paid 1800 eu in total for the whole build and I’m extremely happy.
@@AliUguz I don't think you should have upgraded to AM4 as your first build. I mean don't get me wrong, the 5800X3D is an extremely capable processor, but if you want to future proof, there are better alternatives. The 5800X3D is only really good for people who have AM4 already.
@@auritro3903 Yea I ended up going with 7700x no regrets.
This video was exactly what I was looking for
I like how you research what people are asking about/curious about currently. I can tell, and the way you present things is just *chefs kiss*.
PS, I haven't started the video. I just know.
PS again, love ya.
Efficiency cores are especially useful for laptops.
I am currently waiting to pick up my Ryzen 7 5800X 3D tomorrow. I have my Asus Rog Strix B550-F Gaming board, Rx 6800 XT, Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (2PK X 16GB) 3600MHz DDR4. Upgrading from Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core Processor. :D
from 1700x ? lol 😃👍
@@ryohazuki007 yeah man, every time I try to upgrade something is out of stock plus other family responsibilities XD
Fantastic and thorough information as always
You say that currently available CPUs are fast enough for the future but after the Starfield release, as well as some UE5 games we see that games are CPU-bound, meaning that old CPUs won't hold up.
This is the exact video I was waiting for, glad it came from you! 😊
Thank you for doing benchmark for valorant on low graphics ur the only one on yt that did that 👏
i wouldve loved to see 1440p benchmarks im currently still running my i9 9900k and have been thinking whether i need an upgrade for it at 1440p or if it will do for another year
If you're unsure the answer is likely no.
@@tomstech4390 well said
At 1440p, games are way more GPU dependent so the difference would be very minimal not enough to justify especially with the i9
9900K is more than fine for current games
9900K is more than fine for current games
You should include microsoft flight simulator as it is heavily CPU based.
The 5800X3D destroys all CPU’s with that cache it’s insane
Man I swear, 5800X3D is the new 1080ti. Being able to compete in perfomance with next gen CPUs, whilst consuming less power is nuts.
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@@igorbalen3389 pulls 10 more watts 😱
I'm very happy with my 5800X3D. Managed to undervolt it, so it maintains boost speeds 99% of the time, while staying 10c-15c cooler on average.
Wow, I'd not expect that masive temp change. How much did you undervolt and what cooler did you use?
PBO Tuner 2
@@alphaadhito I used PBO Tuner to achieve these results. It's the only way to get around the locked PBO and OC settings in the bios.
what voltage?
I know this is old but you don’t need pho2 tuner now. Latest bios has it
3:15 I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken there. DDR5 4800 CL40 will absolutely cripple the 7600X compared to 6000Mhz CL30. Ryzen 7000 is extremely speed and latency sensitive. Check out the Hardware Unboxed video.
you shoulda mentioned if you choose 13600k, you're stuck on that platform and your upgradability path will be only until the 13900k, because the mobo gen is ending. that's what i need opinions from
Turns out it will be good for one more gen
And they just announced that gen has a little bit of performance upgrade and a huge efficiency upgrade lower watts and temps while still being a beast
one thing not mentioned is performance in those simulation heavy games with light graphics like rimworld, dwarf fortress, factorio or paradox grand strategy stuff: the 5800x3d wins by huge margins especially when fast forwarding on full speed
.... but no one plays those games so it's irrelevant
@@propersod2390 i know so many people who play factorio and dwarf fortress what
That is so cool to know! I thought it will run slower in many strategy games but it's nice to hear it isn't always the case ^^
@@propersod2390 ??? Nobody plays Paradox 4Xs? I wonder where the hell Paradox Interactive gets all their money! Not to mention Factorio...
@@propersod2390 wrong
The cheapest 5800x3D is $370 in microcenter and elsewhere it's $400+
Newegg had it for $350 recently
339 here in germany since 5 days now
Thank you for the video as always ^^
I was looking for this very comparison ! Thanks man !
where i live, the 5800x3D is 50$ cheaper than the 13600k, and motherboards are much more expensive than you listed. 200$ for z690, 150$ for b550, 160$ for b660
yea he should list cpu+mobo+ram cost, cpu only is misleading.
@@kangsterizer i mean he partially did, its just that the prices he listed are way below what they cost where i live. Also the 13600k is 410€ and 5800x3D is 360€, so those were wrong for me too
just got my 58003d for 350, totally worth it
This is the video I’ve been looking for
Yeah cool video, but look at them muscles. Do we ever get Optimum Gym?
Amazing video! It’s great that you benchmarked with the actually recommended memory and motherboard configurations.
Would have been nice to see how the 7600X performs with 16GB of DDR5-4800, but looks like there aren’t many reasons to pick it anyway.
And just to add, the power limit on the B660 Pro RS doesn’t exist on midrange B660 boards, for example the MSI Pro B660M-A which is only $120.
I don't think 16GB of DDR5 is really an option anymore. Every kit I've seen is 32GB and they don't make 2x8GB kits.
@@MayonnaiseOreo i find 2x8 kits of ddr5 on amazon all the time.
runs fine.
bought cheap 5200mhz 16gb 2x8 ram at 40 latency.
@@heatnup Huh, whatever I read about DDR5 16GB must've been outdated news. But yeah I'd only looked on brand sites and Micro Center, not Amazon.
Because things are so close this generation for gaming, for me, I’m looking to AM5 - I want to be able to upgrade long term, and the 13th gen Intel chips are great, but the platform is dead next year. Same as 5800X3D. Being able to amortise my platform cost over years is important for me: but it’s also why I’m not upgrading yet! My 5600X is more than good enough right now :) it’s a good time for consumers in the CPU space.
It’s about the motherboard feature set for me. AM5, the current releases are crazy in terms of future proofing. So if the extra cores in 13th gen are good like you said for future proofing, then the forward looking functionality of the AM5 platform also should be IMO
@@prantik1994 but is long term ryzen 9000 series and 11000 series and 3dvcache of each one. lot of future prof.
Have anyone else noticed how jacked he is?
Great video, glad there are lots of good options for people to choose.
1:18
I think it should be either "intel 7" or "intel - 10nm", even though, the density is ≈ TSMC7nm
But that just confuses casuals further. You have to remember that the name “intel 10nm” was just as arbitrary as “intel 7”. No different than how TSMC chooses to call their node “N7”. They are just names, not measurements.
i would have liked to see this with some low latency 3600 or 4000mhz DDR4. i run my b-die DDR4 kit at 3733 at CL15-15-15, and i am rather sure it would be closer to the fast DDR5, than the slow DDR4 modules you tested with.
Yeah my ram is 3600 CL14
Other reviewers like GN and HU did use 3600 CL14 with their new CPU reviews, so the comparisons are out there
Usually most games seem to favour higher MHz than lower timings, but sure the best is off course high frequency at low latency.
I got the 13700K which should be close to the 13900K in gaming and I'm going to pair with my 4000 CL17 ram that can run on my current system at 4200 CL17. Should be up there in speed vs decent DDR5.
@@guily6669 Its mostly before Ryzen cpu's on DDr4 wouldnt get any meaningful uplift in performance past 3600mhz. So the next best things were to lower the timing of the ddr4 ram at 3600mhz.
Currently where i'm from the 7600X is around 110 usd cheaper then 13600K/5800X3D (not to mention non-X 7600 which have nearly the same gaming perfomance as X). Seems like no brainer to invest into AM5 here right?
thank you so much that was exactly the kind of video i needed
7700X3D is coming to destroy them all
Certainly, and after that 14th gen will do the same, then R8000, then 15th gen... that will be very good.
I went from 5900x to 5800x3d with 3080 and ddr3600 cl14...it pushes the 3080 to max now, lows are way better at 4k. And it's noticeably smoother, getting extra high fps also, cyberpunk is better now, I get more fps, better lows and now get 65-74 fps at 4k ultra settings with more ray tracing I can add now, perfectly smooth in busiest area now. Bf 2042 is also way better now. Worth the upgrade for me, can skip am5 now.
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@kalens9189 It's still doing fantastic, 120fps on high settings on battlefield 2042.
new to your channel and i love it
7600x in eco mode or a regular 7600 right now which is only $194 is actually a great option for gamers. It only consumes 65w and you get the upgrade path to 8000 and 9000 series
you should test the 13600k with ddr4 4000cl 16 and ddr5 7200 i would be very interested to see how this stacks up since in theory thats one of the 13600k' strengths and using slower memory on both ddr4 and ddr5 I feel isn't doing it justice.
13600k such great value overal. makes AM5 futureproofing just not worth the initial premium.
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Exactly the 3 CPUs i was looking into! thank u
Great comparison ! 👍
It always depends on price also what is the best deal when things are so close in performance. In my country the price difference between the 13600k and the 5800X3D is the same amount but the other way around offsetting the whole picture for even new builds.Making the old AM4 even very attractive for new builds.
Only for gaming maybe.
All other stuff the Intel
13600k is the best overall imo. However, the 7000X3D chips are definitely coming at some point which will be amazing if the 5800X3D is anything to go off of.
Agreed
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Love your content Ali :)
What GPU was used in the gaming benchmarks?
Great comparison! Just purchased an X570S MB, 5800X3D CPU, 6800XT GPU and 32GB (16x2) DDR4 3600 CL16 RAM. I don't game but my grandsons do.
Always loved your vids.
But I've just noticed that the editing is so tight... you don't seem to breathe in between sentences any more :D
Great review, comparison and recommendation! Thank you very much!
Getting am5 now makes since for zen5 upgrade. Zen5 Xilinx accelerators will reduce CPU overhead with direct storage and give ai functions for next gen gaming/productivity. Cpus of the future will be more feature based upgrades. Great video the comparison was awesome
How are the accelerators going to work? PCIe slots?
I was just curious, if I wanted to use an ITX board with the 13600k, what should I go with?
Is it possible to do ITX build with the MSI water cooled 4090?
I really want to see the rtx 4090 FE in an ITX box in one of your next video
10:25 it's only half-correct for AM4, honestly as I personally experienced it myself. I hope that AM5 wouldn't be the same.
Started with MSI X370 SLI Plus and R5 1600 back in 2018 thinking that I wouldn't have to upgrade my motherboard, it turns out to be untrue as 1st gen Ryzen AM4 motherboards (A320, B350, and X370) are severely limited when compared to the 2nd gen motherboards (A420, B450, and X470). Fortunately the 3rd gen motherboards are quite good, especially the B550 boards as they're more or less on par in terms of features when compared to X370.
Down the road, I've upgraded to R5 3600 in 2020, then switching up the motherboard to MSI B550 Gaming Plus in 2021, and finally put a stop at R7 5800X3D back in January this year.
The MSI PRO B660 runs the 13600K without power limits. For some B660 motherboards you can remove the power limits in the bios.
I wonder how that 7600X would perform and how much power it would draw in eco mode or with an undervolt.
copium.
@@heatnup what?
as usual, best tech video online.
i would want to know if there are any bugs with these new cpus. like the tpm 2.0 has some issues in amd cpus ... things like those
best comparison so far
first test where Intel doesn't use RAM for the price of my entire PC 😁
but is there any difference between them in 1440p or 4K ?
1440p titles like first person shooters in some degrees yes, 0 usage for it at 4K
Those would likely be more gpu bound between these cpus
I don't think I'll upgrade my 5800x anytime soon, for gaming only it's not looking like there's a chance I'd ever notice an upgrade.
Correct sir!
The 5800x3d is insane in cpu heavy games like escape from tarkov and rust.
Why no good DDR4? Big missing data there.
100% agree.
Difference at 4k is probably non-existent, right?
If you're coming from an AM4 board, the 5800x3D is the best upgrade.
I've been building my own systems for the last 20 years & almost never purchased anything new. I always wait until new CPU's are 100% faster in benchmarks & hopefully games. 20-30% CPU performance increase is really hard to notice. 10-20 seconds isn't going to change my productivity.
I was kinda shocked that the 5800x3d draws a bit less lower than the 7600x.
waiting for 7X00X3D CPUs