@@spookyskellyskeleton609 custom water-cooling. It's the only way that I can think of, to keep these beasts managable in 35C+ temperatures. That, and it seems some power tuning on new Zens.
@@tech-adeptzeth1648 actually you dont have to do anything. it will sit at 95° with air cooling under full load, no matter if you put on a mid range heatsink or a NH-D15. the only difference is it will draw much more power on the nh-d15 for maybe 5% more multicore performance. thats all.
@@Raickten Will probably get one as an upgrade from 5600G, now that I have a dGPU. Platform cost for both new gens. is just way too high, especially locally.
I read on a different review that the 7600x at 65W performs within a couple percent of it at 105W. Sounds like setting a lower power limit will be a great solution for sff builds.
At 65w the i9 12900k at full power still lost on an Intel friendly benchmark against the 16c. In my experience knocking 200 MHz off top end and reducing volts will drastically reduce power consumption, reducing TDP only won't stop profligate energy usage in ST/LT work.
already tested - significantly reduced and still hot, like >90 anyway. Because if by simple undervolting they could maintain the same performance and get lower temperatures, then they would have done it initially. Up to the fact that it's easier to just take any Intel processors. Because there, without any undervolting, the temperatures will still be less, and the performance will be greater. LIke - 13700k and 13600k way colder.
I watch almost every tech review of product launches like this. Yours are ALWAYS by far the most concise and well explained, hands down. No gimmicks or flashy clickbait. Thank you for that.
I really like the approach that maximum performance is tied directly to your cooling solution. It almost makes sense to reinstate the infamous Turbo button where you set can a limited mode where you are really comfortable with the fan noise and then by the push of a button you can remove all those restriction and just let it gallop along as fast as it can, noise be damned.
thats actually a thing that should be looked into software wise. just a little add-on to the windows energy settings. have a small switch in the taskbar where the system runs at ~50% power target for often only 10-15% performance loss compared to full bananas mode.
I like this approach too and i think AMD did the right thing to set this as default, less headache for the normal consumers who do not tinker with hardware and generally run lightweight non professional workload that will never see 95 tjmax thermal limit. But the enthusiast inside me still think this mode should be their special turbo mode, while the eco mode 105w should be default, or "balanced" mode. I have no need to run the cpu full blast all the time as i want my thermal paste to last as long as possible.
I didn't really expect the new CPUs to be faster than in gaming than the 5800X3D. I think that's why they released it when they did. It would allow consumers a choice between AM4 or AM5 without any compromises. At almost all segments of the market, AMD has a processor for you.
@@slartibartfast2649 Do you mean the low-end? In fairness, you're right. Below the 5600 there aren't many great AMD CPUs. Intel have the budget market covered better.
How wouldnt you expect it? The 12900K and 12700K match the 5800X3D in overall game performance, at the very least zen 4 had to match that. Still a hard af sell tho and its going to lose to raptor lake
Exactly, Lisa Su knows what she is doing....shame that 5.+Ghz produces that much heat, my 5600x on a Corsair H100I elite never gets over 60c while gaming.
I‘m interested in a test between 5700x vs 7700x with a limited 65W cooling setup for mini ITX cases. I think the 7700x might still be faster, since it‘s more comfortable reaching the limit of the available cooling.
9:02 I don't understand, why 80 or 85 would be a safer than 95°C? What is uncomfortable about it? It's not like at 100 °C it is going to boil or something, it is a mental threshold, not a real one. As you said, consoles and laptops regularly run at these temperatures.
@@glitter_fart The temperature of the rest of the system depends on the dissipated power rather than temperature. If the CPU pulls 100 W, it will still be at 95 °C but the rest of the system won't be much affected (compared to if it pulled 250 W).
I really want to see ryzen 7000 on coolers that people actually use for sff builds. All these reviews have got me worried on how much performance you'll end up losing if you try slapping an l9a on a 7600x.
Would love to hear your take on building a pc ATM all these new pc components coming out seem to cater to more professional applications rather than gaming.
I'm looking to upgrade from an i5 9600k 1660 ti system to a 3080 ti powered one, watched most of your videos about the newer cpus and now i'm pretty confident that the 5800X3D is the way to go. Thank you!
I would love to see a video from you in which you kind of get back to your ITX-PC content - which I have to say I miss a lot - and test these new CPU's in SFF environment. This new TJmax sounds a bit converning to me regarding small CPU coolers...
I wonder what that means for exteme itx builds, I use a noctua L9a, I usually undervolt cpus to keep them cool, and I manage to always retain or usually exceed stock performance. A small cooler will defenetly struggle to dissipate 95c quickly, so that might result in a big performance hit.
I was thinking this myself. I wonder if there’s a way you can set a lower hard cap for the temperature or something. An ITX build with a CPU pumping out 95C is definitely not what you want 😂
@@tr4nnel752 what's sketchy is wanting to run CPUs at 95c, you should know that all that heat you're dissipating is wasted energy, power that goes from you wall, to your cpu, just to get dumped as heat. So unless you want to run your pc to also heat your house, I don't see the point. From my experience by undervolting a cpu, I manage to save 30-40% of the power consumption under load, and up to 80% when idle, while retaining 100% of the performance. My pc is extremely silent with a small cooler, and my electric bill goes way down. Once you hit a certain power, you only get diminishing returns, every percent of performance will cost you a lot of power.
The core temp is pretty much irrelevant for cooling dimensioning. What you need to look at is package power draw, as that is directly proportional to the amount of heat the CPU cooling solution will need to dissipate. A CPU running at 100W produces the same amount of heat whether it's at 60°C or 95°C core temp.
As a competitive gamer I’m happy I bought my 5800x3d when it was $384 on Amazon instead of waiting for the 7,000 series and needing to purchase a new motherboard and RAM kit with it. Thanks for the video!
Do you think the cpu's are better than we can currently test them as? In the sense that these cpu's might hit the cap of the 3090, whereas they could potentially pull more potential of a 4090 compared to Ryzen 5000/ Intel 12000? (Afaik isn't the 4090 available yet, but I'm using it for comparing)
That's why GPU perfomance was set to 1080p to not bottleneck GPU. That will always be the same perfomance no matter what GPU is used unless GPU bottleneck is present.
The Zen4 cpus are perfoming great in productivity tasks like he mentioned. For gaming it's better to get 3D cpu or you can wait for Zen4 3d chips next year. This will be very good for gaming and will have ddr5 and new chipset so that you can futureproof it. Those who are waiting for building a gaming pc, the time is nearby...
All performance is relative and the testing here will show that accurately across CPUs as there is no GPU bottleneck. Whether a certain CPU can take more advantage of a new GPU is not really a thing when comparing perfomance. Of course you’d get more frames with a 4090, but youre not testing the CPU performance across CPUs anymore at that point - you need to learn how to separate variables. A 12900K will take just as much advantage of a 4090 as a new 7950X will.
For those of you guys who think 95C is not normal temp, setting the CPU at 65W will still make it run at 95C but at a lower clock speed. The clock speed and temperature have been swapped. The heat output would be the same at the same wattage due to thermodynamics. Psychological perception will need some adjustment.
I'm interested to see these CPU's undervolted, and an undervolt comparison to Ryzen 5000 Optimum, please keep the high quality content rolling out! Your videos only get better
What’s do all these higher temps mean for the future of sfx builds? Does this mean that trying to fit a top of the line cpu/gpu in a small form factor will be of a bygone era?
no, for small form factor builds you are limited in how much wattage of heat you can move out of the system silently. the 7950x limited to ~70W (easily cool-able with a noctua l9a) is still around as fast as a 5950X with 140W (not cool-able with a nocua l9a).
@@Digi20 thanks guys for the reply , wouldn’t restricting the lower limit defeat the purpose of putting such a powerful cpu in a small enclosure? And what about power supplies? Is there anything from Corsair or equivalent that will fit in a small enclosure like the ncase with aio cooling? ( for top notch cpu/4090 combo’s)?
The higher the temp delta (coolant vs cpu) the quicker you pull the energy out of your system, so it seems very intuitive to keep it at max possible temp.
@@610jrod It just boosts to max and goes as high as your cooling allows. Whereas intel is going to pull a 100w more and fail to clock higher even if there is cooling headroom.
@@Andytlp I'm referring to him postioning 95C at stock/under load as being a positive. No one was talking about Intel, they have their own problems as you've said.
@@610jrod If amd says its intended and accounted for dont see a problem. Especially if the 7950x tj max to 115c. As for why this new gen tolerates higher temps beats me. Lower voltages again, less power to heat. So itll clock as high as the cooling allows or hits a power limit.
When you think about it these new cpus will actually save you on your utility bill in the winter because now you can use your pc to heat your entire house.
just set your max fan speed to 95C and the noise level you find comfortable and let the cpu handle the rest.. it will run at 95° no matter if it can draw 130W or 220W any way, with only a very small single digit performance difference.
7700x can be good pair with a 4080 or faster GPU, might not be worth it otherwise, unless you want the best for wow retail and have the gpu to back it up+monitor.
This was a super helpful review. I just got a 5800x3d and have been stressing over whether to return it and do the whole platform upgrade. My I pretty much only game on my PC so this makes the choice simple. Thanks and great review!
What I'm seeing across reviews is that if the 7x are sitting at 95 degrees you actually DO need more cooling to get the most performance from the CPU. Some reviews used a 360mm AIO and saw temps in the 80's with the 7950 when running in normal mode; the CPU's were actually hitting a power draw limit or another constraint on performance besides the 95 degree cap.
I can't wait to see how the 7590x performs in a SFF build with a reasonable power limit and unvervolting. I'm guessing compact air cooling is completely out of the question for this generation...
This is why its important to watch multiple reviews. It all depends on the workload youre running. The productivity scores showing 30%+ gains over intel and 5950X may not show up in other benchmarks. Excellent review!
computerbase's review (german) shows that at 142W it is 95% of performance of the 230W default. At 45W it is similar performance to 12900k. A cool and quiet SFF with 7950x is super appealing.
Would be very interested in emulation work load performance of these beasts. Especially the PS3 emulator RPCS3. The performance is usually coupled with single treaded performance and clock speed. Will they beat Intel?
@@GewelReal Very interesting feature indeed for emulation. Seems that AMD implemented a 2 stage AVX architecture, where they unfortunately do need 2 cycles for each 512bit computation instead of one. Hope it still brings some benefits 🙏 Marketing material call it "double pumped AVX512"
This was exactly the review I needed for looking at upgrading my 3700x. Let's hope AMD and Intel keep this battle up and I'll probably upgrade next gen.
I see many people a bit confused with the high temperatures. those are not a bad thing per se. AMD just decided to basically let it run free and draw all the power it wants at stock settings. the 7950x is almost as fast as a 32core zen3 threadripper! but all that wattage on 2 small chiplets cant effectively be transfered onto your cooling solution, so it sits at 95° all day under full load. that is not a bad thing. it will do this 24/7 for years. however, it still stays extremely fast if you limit the power draw. for example, at around 70W power limit, it will be around as fast as a 5950X at stock settings. 70W can easily be dealt with in a small ITX build, like a DAN A4 with a Noctua l9a. and if you have a bigger case and nice cooling, just let it do its thing and set your fan curves accordingly. do not try to cool it below 95° (it will not work with air cooling). just set your max fan speed to a level you are comfortable with noise wise, and let the cpu do its thing.
idk, I think intel actually has this in the bag. AMD's cpu gen this time around is clearly a miss because it costs so much to get into. You need to buy a new motherboard, ddr5, AND a cpu that isn't that much better than last gen anyway. I feel like it'd be better to just wait for the gen after this when prices will likely drop further AND we'll likely see better improvements.
My cpu is currently running at 28 degrees celsius, The 3 case fans and 1 cpu cooler fan are nice and quiet, easily keeping the cpu at that nice low temperature without using much power. I had high expectations for Ryzen 7000, I am guessing that 13th gen will be comparable. Last gen is looking good now.
These things look crazy! I really want to get one of these to upgrade my rig from my 9 year old pc with an i7 4770k and a 970, but these things are really pricy!
I think you should just upgrade your gpu instead looking at those nice new crispy cpus because upgrading it can give you more fps tbh compared to upgrading your cpu
@@rocky-zx6kq your right! Though, if i bought a 20 or 30 series gpu with my current cpu, there would be a craazy bottleneck, so im probably going to build a new pc from the ground up
@@zona-rizz buzzin's right but if you can't afford that, buy a gpu that cost like $200 to $300 to not bottleneck it and also if you can afford a 30 series card well then you can can afford 5000 series cpu
if you don't want a literal heater with construction site noise levels in your room i would just get a intel chip off a discount the i3s ja i5s are the best "budget" gaming cpus
I really wish you threw some strategy games into the loop for gaming benchmarks as I feel they stress test the CPU more. Total War, Civ 6, Stellaris/CK3, or Age of Empires (during late campaigns end of turns). Maybe also some sim games like MS Flight Simulator 2020 or Star Citizen. All in all great vid!
@@Valk-Kilmer i got 1440p monitor ,3070 and 5600x, and good cpu is required in 1440p resolution or higher, better cpu usually results in better lows, which are more important sometimes than average fps. tarkov, warzone etc.
I don't know how to feel about this tbh. The performance gains are great and all but having fans creaming constantly isn't something I'm particularly a fan of. The power consumption is also like double to my 5900X. You pair this with something like a 4090 which many will and it becomes punishing to game with what's essentially a steam radiator next to you on your desk. Tuning these things is going to come down to limiting the max speed of your aio fans or something.
is it me or the current trend for chip maker whether its cpu or gpu is to chug as much power as possible and make sure that the chip can take all that power and heat in return? are we starting to hit a plateau in power efficiency?
Thanks for the review, Ali. Man, I can just imagine how awkward the ITX builds will be trying to chuck a 7900x/7950x in there without doing a custom loop. Excited to see all your findings!
= its faster than intel but falls short to 5800x3d which is way more convenient if u already have am4 mobo. next month new intel coming out though, i think intel will be king again then though!
What are the temps when web browsing? Gaming? I lose performance if I dont have my CPU fans on 100%? Do we now need performance benchmarks at different cpu fan speeds/different coolers? This just sounds like a pain for someone who likes quiet PC. Quite happy the gaming performance is minimal so I can stick with my current CPU:D
This industry trend is disturbing. We are heading toward a future in which prosumer parts quite literally cannot be run on residential circuits and putting a computer in another room just for comfort becomes more and more necessary
I'm sorry but like? underclock if that's your thing. If you are expecting to play a game that probably ran 1 FPS on a supercomputer 25-30 years ago 165 FPS 4K Ultra extragay options you need to accept the 200 watt. or like what I said, underclock and underwatt your CPU but don't forget you can't play 165 FPS 4K Ultra new technology nobody cares about.
I would love to see testing when power-limited, to see what performance can be achieved with lower temps and power consumption. Undervolting would be interesting too
My AIO was on the blink a little while ago, and 95C was where my BIOS would automatically shut down my PC. Now it appears as though it’s going to be the new standard 😂
@@Jacketz123 did you build this yourself? check the pump is at the bottom of the loop to make sure no air gets into it; it will stop the bubbles going into the pump, because that would render it almost useless
@@chickenbobbobba I already got rid of it unfortunately, just went for the stock one instead. And yeah I did, I think it got messed up because I had the tubes at the top when it was mounted, so apparently the air can evaporate over time. I’ll know for my next build. Whenever that will be given the current prices lmao
@@Jacketz123 have a look on the second hand market, stuffs getting cheap there. someone ik got a 3070 for £450, and prices are only gonna go down from there. Have a look, it might be worth it
Thank you! I’m not sure weather to get a new processor or to wait for 3d lineup because I’m building my pc from scratch. Great work as usual, waiting for your next video
So if intel came out and said " 100c and 200 watts is intended guys! It would be ok? AMD said the same shit for 5700xt and people defended it even though it wasn't ok before then
If the engineers say 100C is safe, it is safe. You do not know better than the people who designed the chip. Same goes for both companies. Power consumption on the other hand directly impacts the consumer so the higher wattage does suck. But then again, performance per watt has increased enough. So its not all bad.
@@rdmz135 It is not about safety, it's about the fact that you'll need an expensive cooling solution to get the max performance. The cpu will automatically keep itself at the 95 degrees limit.
@@RazvanMGH That was always the case. But now if there's any thermal headroom the CPU is tuned to clock even higher. There's nothing bad about it. If you value efficiency you can always toggle on eco mode. 7950x at 65w is still faster than a 12900k running at full power.
@@sparkplugbarrens that is always the case, because the GPU DIE is much bigger and thus cooled much more easily than the small chiplets of a modern CPU, even when it draws like twice the wattage. (-> the temp delta between DIE temperature and coolant temperature is always bigger on a CPU than on a GPU).
Very nice video, we are waiting for more information about the 7000 series (pbo, ram tuning, oc) my friend, I tell you from the heart, you deserve more views.
To compete with intel, but their power to performance ratio is literally better than intel and yea it's not ok that it's doubled but it literally destroyed intel again
@@rocky-zx6kq Raptor Lake.....?? "destroying" last gen parts is not much of a win lol. that is what is expected. 7600X and 7700X don't seem to offer much uplift over 12600K and 12700K respectively.
@@rocky-zx6kq lol honestly the gains aren’t impressive. And raptor lake will most probably wipe the floor with amd. AMDs Only saving grace is the 3d v cache chips, 7600x and 7700x are DOA.
Please take a look at some of the more technical reviews elsewhere on the web. You'll find that the power limits can be customized (e.g. you can change the TDP down to 65W) and achieve nearly identical performance. Ars, for example, says that with the 7950X at "65W TDP" setting the chip pulls 89.8W and runs at 56.9C under load and achieve exceptional performance with similar results to the max TDP settings. What is interesting is the discrepancy in power consumption vs performance (that you get similar perf. regardless of the power consumption) and they recommend using the 65W TDP mode as a result.
Thanks for telling the truth unlike some of these other big tech reviewers who simply skip over that huge temp issue. Another thing is Intel 13th gen will dominate the multithreaded performance and gaming. It’s only the 3d v cache chips that will be AMDs saving grace.
Raptor Lake will edge out Zen 4 in both MT and gaming. But I wouldn't call it domination. Zen 4D will come a few months later and smash the gaming crown and hold on to it for a very long time because apparently Meteor Lake is facing delays.
@@tywoods7234 So whats the problem? Dissipated heat will be the same even if its running at 60C or 90C. Same temp output. What counts for heat output is wattage.
That's quite unfortunate for SFF builds. While I like the performance boost, those power draws and temperatures remind me of Intel, and not in a good way...
it is basically the other way around. you can limit the 7950x to lets say ~70W, and still get 5950x stock performance. that is awesome! 70W can easily be dealt with f.e. by a noctua l9a in a Dan A4. its just for the last few percent multi core speed (~above 140W power draw) where the heat cant effectively be moved fast enough away from the CPU DIEs no matter what cooling you throw at it.
Glad to see I was right for my situation to go with the 5900x. I sniped it on Prime day for $310 and to see the gaming performance be pretty much the same especially in 1440p and my OCD is protected from seeing temps at 95. I get annoyed if I see my CPU and GPU get near 65
My biggest concern here is the noise from the AIO. I like my PC to be quiet and it is just not possible given the CPU wants to sit at 95*c. I guess you’d just have to manually set them to a particular speed and let the cpu manage itself..
If possible, can you post a video on the best value ITX build recommendation for 2022? Would be keen to see what's the best value ITX we can get in Australia! :)
Hey mate Great production quality as usual! I just wanted you to cover a video when it comes to it. Zen 4 with rdna 3 iGPU on OC DDR5 I think could be a killer e sports machine
Thanks for the review and the 95 degree warning. Good to know. If possible please test this in SFF cases to see if it can reach 5ghz with smaller coolers. Particularly on Ghost S1 with L12S cooler.
If the 3D versions are going to be the gaming option going forward then so be it. Perhaps it's not such a bad thing because it's been a while since we had a strictly gaming dedicated CPU. "Jack of all trades is a master of none" and when a pc gaming is considered I think we do want a CPU that is a master of gaming.
I am 100% waiting for the 3D vcache version of the chips before I consider upgrading, as I want to make a passive-only machine next. Energy prices are going up, my tolerance for hotbox rooms is getting lower, and I would like my noise floor to keep going down. The 3d vcache chips will give better performance even when configuring to sip, so it's basically essential before I consider a real upgrade, and even if I wanted peak gaming performance... 5800X3D proves it's worth the wait.
Wouldn't the CPU heating up to 95 oC pretty much every time you boot up your pc be terrible for the life expectancy of the chip? Over the years the constant expanding and shrinking in response to the heat changes would kill the chip faster than if it was kept to a lower temp.
4:45 You mention that the 7950X is more power efficient than previous generations, but you don't really explain how you arrived at that conclusion. GN said they were less efficient (7950X vs 5950X), and I think most of your results and power charts support that as well?
Hey Optimum Tech, as an Australian where do you get your Founders Edition cards from? I much prefer the form factor and aesthetic over AIB cards and would happily pay to get these shipped from overseas.
Will be interesting if we see a jump in fan speed tech now to compensate, if new fans will have the ability to run quiet and minimal load at much higher rpm to accommodate for new cpu and gpu workloads.
Imagine pairing that with a 4090 and you’ll never worry about heating in the winter anymore.
Summer tho
Europe: "WRITE THAT DOWN!"
@@spookyskellyskeleton609 custom water-cooling. It's the only way that I can think of, to keep these beasts managable in 35C+ temperatures. That, and it seems some power tuning on new Zens.
@@tech-adeptzeth1648 actually you dont have to do anything. it will sit at 95° with air cooling under full load, no matter if you put on a mid range heatsink or a NH-D15. the only difference is it will draw much more power on the nh-d15 for maybe 5% more multicore performance. thats all.
Nah... Pairing 4090 with intel chips.
Love what you did with your background to match the AMD color scheme.
he does this every video
One of the best looking channels on YT no question.
@@slartibartfast2649 yeah especially with those biceps, ltt got nothing on those bad boys
@@adamek9750 ga
This just makes me appreciate the 5800X3D that much more.
Just have to wait for Zen 4 3D in 4 months
ikr
such a good processor ngl
I am in the same boat, i will be pretty happy with the 5800x3D for some years
7800x3d is probably coming soon😊
@@Raickten Will probably get one as an upgrade from 5600G, now that I have a dGPU. Platform cost for both new gens. is just way too high, especially locally.
Would like to see these tested with a power limit of like 150W to see how necessary the high power consumption is to get good performance out of them
I read on a different review that the 7600x at 65W performs within a couple percent of it at 105W. Sounds like setting a lower power limit will be a great solution for sff builds.
Lots of tests of this gen at as low as 65w and the results have been very good.
PCWorld just tested this today
most likely future games will utilize those extra power, great that users have options to switch between low power and performance mode
At 65w the i9 12900k at full power still lost on an Intel friendly benchmark against the 16c.
In my experience knocking 200 MHz off top end and reducing volts will drastically reduce power consumption, reducing TDP only won't stop profligate energy usage in ST/LT work.
I'm very curious what the undervolting performance is like compared to previous gen, a video on that would be great!
yes undervolting and watercooling vs stock voltage and a cheap aircooler
^^^This. All the other big reviewers assume a tower build; I'm really curious how well a stock & undervolted CPU will do in a SFF build.
Can we UV 5000-series mobile chips as well, like the 5800H?
already tested - significantly reduced and still hot, like >90 anyway. Because if by simple undervolting they could maintain the same performance and get lower temperatures, then they would have done it initially. Up to the fact that it's easier to just take any Intel processors. Because there, without any undervolting, the temperatures will still be less, and the performance will be greater. LIke - 13700k and 13600k way colder.
@@AlexaCWS I had the results undervolting.
I watch almost every tech review of product launches like this. Yours are ALWAYS by far the most concise and well explained, hands down. No gimmicks or flashy clickbait.
Thank you for that.
I really like the approach that maximum performance is tied directly to your cooling solution. It almost makes sense to reinstate the infamous Turbo button where you set can a limited mode where you are really comfortable with the fan noise and then by the push of a button you can remove all those restriction and just let it gallop along as fast as it can, noise be damned.
thats actually a thing that should be looked into software wise. just a little add-on to the windows energy settings. have a small switch in the taskbar where the system runs at ~50% power target for often only 10-15% performance loss compared to full bananas mode.
@@Digi20 it can run at 65 watts vs 190w which is what it seems to be drawing with 90% to 95% performance unless your rendering
Essentially, any fan or pump controller will do this. Somebody also makes a noise-controlled fan (or pump?) controller.
I like this approach too and i think AMD did the right thing to set this as default, less headache for the normal consumers who do not tinker with hardware and generally run lightweight non professional workload that will never see 95 tjmax thermal limit.
But the enthusiast inside me still think this mode should be their special turbo mode, while the eco mode 105w should be default, or "balanced" mode. I have no need to run the cpu full blast all the time as i want my thermal paste to last as long as possible.
I didn't really expect the new CPUs to be faster than in gaming than the 5800X3D. I think that's why they released it when they did. It would allow consumers a choice between AM4 or AM5 without any compromises. At almost all segments of the market, AMD has a processor for you.
Except the value section.
@@slartibartfast2649 Do you mean the low-end? In fairness, you're right. Below the 5600 there aren't many great AMD CPUs. Intel have the budget market covered better.
How wouldnt you expect it? The 12900K and 12700K match the 5800X3D in overall game performance, at the very least zen 4 had to match that. Still a hard af sell tho and its going to lose to raptor lake
Exactly, Lisa Su knows what she is doing....shame that 5.+Ghz produces that much heat, my 5600x on a Corsair H100I elite never gets over 60c while gaming.
@@Dwayneff of course it doesn't, you put a 360 AIO on a 6c12t chip
I‘m interested in a test between 5700x vs 7700x with a limited 65W cooling setup for mini ITX cases. I think the 7700x might still be faster, since it‘s more comfortable reaching the limit of the available cooling.
I think so too, but you'd be paying double that of a 5700x or more.
9:02 I don't understand, why 80 or 85 would be a safer than 95°C? What is uncomfortable about it? It's not like at 100 °C it is going to boil or something, it is a mental threshold, not a real one. As you said, consoles and laptops regularly run at these temperatures.
@@glitter_fart This generation is made to handle max 115C
@@glitter_fart The temperature of the rest of the system depends on the dissipated power rather than temperature. If the CPU pulls 100 W, it will still be at 95 °C but the rest of the system won't be much affected (compared to if it pulled 250 W).
@@glitter_fart and the VRMs are fine and not actually hot
I really want to see ryzen 7000 on coolers that people actually use for sff builds. All these reviews have got me worried on how much performance you'll end up losing if you try slapping an l9a on a 7600x.
65W is like 90% performance, so not much
@@DeadFury222 isnt manual undervolt better you will lose the least perfomance
I'm happy that I just got my 5800X3D, I get to use my current AM4 motherboard and DDR4 memory for a few more years :)
Great review as always Ali!
Would love to hear your take on building a pc ATM all these new pc components coming out seem to cater to more professional applications rather than gaming.
I'm looking to upgrade from an i5 9600k 1660 ti system to a 3080 ti powered one, watched most of your videos about the newer cpus and now i'm pretty confident that the 5800X3D is the way to go. Thank you!
Interesting. I literally just bought a 3080ti and 5800x3d.
Been running great so far.
The lighting was even better than your usual standard this time. Really awesome.
Ouff... time for a new desk setup and a new PC.
just buy 3rd gen until dd5 + mobo prices come down. you can grab a mobo + ram for $100 now on third gen.
I would love to see a video from you in which you kind of get back to your ITX-PC content - which I have to say I miss a lot - and test these new CPU's in SFF environment. This new TJmax sounds a bit converning to me regarding small CPU coolers...
limited to 65W the 7950x basically has the same performance as the old 5950x@stock. so an extremely efficient cpu for SFF.
Just set it to 105W eco mode, problem solved
Looking stronggggg my boy. 💪💪
I wonder what that means for exteme itx builds, I use a noctua L9a, I usually undervolt cpus to keep them cool, and I manage to always retain or usually exceed stock performance. A small cooler will defenetly struggle to dissipate 95c quickly, so that might result in a big performance hit.
I was thinking this myself. I wonder if there’s a way you can set a lower hard cap for the temperature or something.
An ITX build with a CPU pumping out 95C is definitely not what you want 😂
It's already a bit sketchy to want to cool processors like this with coolers that are not at all built for that purpose.
@@tr4nnel752 what's sketchy is wanting to run CPUs at 95c, you should know that all that heat you're dissipating is wasted energy, power that goes from you wall, to your cpu, just to get dumped as heat. So unless you want to run your pc to also heat your house, I don't see the point.
From my experience by undervolting a cpu, I manage to save 30-40% of the power consumption under load, and up to 80% when idle, while retaining 100% of the performance. My pc is extremely silent with a small cooler, and my electric bill goes way down. Once you hit a certain power, you only get diminishing returns, every percent of performance will cost you a lot of power.
It doesn't work like that, temperature is not important, heat emitted in WATTS is what matters
The core temp is pretty much irrelevant for cooling dimensioning. What you need to look at is package power draw, as that is directly proportional to the amount of heat the CPU cooling solution will need to dissipate. A CPU running at 100W produces the same amount of heat whether it's at 60°C or 95°C core temp.
As a competitive gamer I’m happy I bought my 5800x3d when it was $384 on Amazon instead of waiting for the 7,000 series and needing to purchase a new motherboard and RAM kit with it. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for including wattage while gaming which is what most people will see.
wow the new cpu looks real badass
Wow the new Amd cpu is perfect for my space heater...
Do you think the cpu's are better than we can currently test them as? In the sense that these cpu's might hit the cap of the 3090, whereas they could potentially pull more potential of a 4090 compared to Ryzen 5000/ Intel 12000?
(Afaik isn't the 4090 available yet, but I'm using it for comparing)
This is exactly what I was thinking.
That's why GPU perfomance was set to 1080p to not bottleneck GPU.
That will always be the same perfomance no matter what GPU is used unless GPU bottleneck is present.
The Zen4 cpus are perfoming great in productivity tasks like he mentioned.
For gaming it's better to get 3D cpu or you can wait for Zen4 3d chips next year. This will be very good for gaming and will have ddr5 and new chipset so that you can futureproof it.
Those who are waiting for building a gaming pc, the time is nearby...
All performance is relative and the testing here will show that accurately across CPUs as there is no GPU bottleneck. Whether a certain CPU can take more advantage of a new GPU is not really a thing when comparing perfomance. Of course you’d get more frames with a 4090, but youre not testing the CPU performance across CPUs anymore at that point - you need to learn how to separate variables. A 12900K will take just as much advantage of a 4090 as a new 7950X will.
@@militarymom8837 Or just buy 7700x and upgrade to the 3d version for next gen 8000 series next year.
For those of you guys who think 95C is not normal temp, setting the CPU at 65W will still make it run at 95C but at a lower clock speed. The clock speed and temperature have been swapped. The heat output would be the same at the same wattage due to thermodynamics. Psychological perception will need some adjustment.
I'm totally looking forward to see how these new chips fare under ITX builds with those kind of temperatures.
Really good review. I appreciate the graphs throughout and your timely content. Thanks Ali!
Could you please go over PBO2 undervolting with these Zen 4 CPUs? It would be really interesting to see how much we can lower power/temps.
10 minutes and I've seen all I need to see, thanks!
I'm interested to see these CPU's undervolted, and an undervolt comparison to Ryzen 5000
Optimum, please keep the high quality content rolling out! Your videos only get better
What’s do all these higher temps mean for the future of sfx builds? Does this mean that trying to fit a top of the line cpu/gpu in a small form factor will be of a bygone era?
no, for small form factor builds you are limited in how much wattage of heat you can move out of the system silently. the 7950x limited to ~70W (easily cool-able with a noctua l9a) is still around as fast as a 5950X with 140W (not cool-able with a nocua l9a).
set it to 105w ECO mode, and suddenly the problem is solved.
@@Digi20 thanks guys for the reply , wouldn’t restricting the lower limit defeat the purpose of putting such a powerful cpu in a small enclosure? And what about power supplies? Is there anything from Corsair or equivalent that will fit in a small enclosure like the ncase with aio cooling? ( for top notch cpu/4090 combo’s)?
I love that your videos are always clean, not cringy or anything. Information, reliablility, professional behaviour !
I feel like we need to see some testing with low profile coolers to see how much performance is lost with different cooling solutions
The higher the temp delta (coolant vs cpu) the quicker you pull the energy out of your system, so it seems very intuitive to keep it at max possible temp.
Cope
@@610jrod It just boosts to max and goes as high as your cooling allows. Whereas intel is going to pull a 100w more and fail to clock higher even if there is cooling headroom.
@@Andytlp I'm referring to him postioning 95C at stock/under load as being a positive. No one was talking about Intel, they have their own problems as you've said.
@@610jrod What's wrong with the CPUs milking all the power headroom?
@@610jrod If amd says its intended and accounted for dont see a problem. Especially if the 7950x tj max to 115c. As for why this new gen tolerates higher temps beats me. Lower voltages again, less power to heat. So itll clock as high as the cooling allows or hits a power limit.
100% single core and 90% multicore performance when set to 105w Eco mode. That's nuts :D
When you think about it these new cpus will actually save you on your utility bill in the winter because now you can use your pc to heat your entire house.
Going back to their roots
Your videos are always so crispy man. True cinematographer
only downside to the 95 degrees for me is fan curves. as long as the manufacturer says it's all good in terms of temp, that's enough for me
Max is 115C according to AMD
just set your max fan speed to 95C and the noise level you find comfortable and let the cpu handle the rest.. it will run at 95° no matter if it can draw 130W or 220W any way, with only a very small single digit performance difference.
7700x can be good pair with a 4080 or faster GPU, might not be worth it otherwise, unless you want the best for wow retail and have the gpu to back it up+monitor.
This was a super helpful review. I just got a 5800x3d and have been stressing over whether to return it and do the whole platform upgrade. My I pretty much only game on my PC so this makes the choice simple. Thanks and great review!
I'd do it anyways because a 5 has alot of life left in it
Great review as always
Idk man. If 5800x3d is doing just fine with 3600mhz ram. Maybe just stick to them for now? For gaming at least.
What I'm seeing across reviews is that if the 7x are sitting at 95 degrees you actually DO need more cooling to get the most performance from the CPU. Some reviews used a 360mm AIO and saw temps in the 80's with the 7950 when running in normal mode; the CPU's were actually hitting a power draw limit or another constraint on performance besides the 95 degree cap.
I can't wait to see how the 7590x performs in a SFF build with a reasonable power limit and unvervolting. I'm guessing compact air cooling is completely out of the question for this generation...
7950X has 65W Eco Mode, so there's that.
This is why its important to watch multiple reviews. It all depends on the workload youre running. The productivity scores showing 30%+ gains over intel and 5950X may not show up in other benchmarks. Excellent review!
computerbase's review (german) shows that at 142W it is 95% of performance of the 230W default. At 45W it is similar performance to 12900k. A cool and quiet SFF with 7950x is super appealing.
Interesting, can you share the link please?
@@Oz-gv5fz Shared, no idea if youtube will allow links to actually show in comments! PCWorld and CrazyTechLab also have videos on this.
Appreciate your practical and down to earth style. Good honest review 👍
Would be very interested in emulation work load performance of these beasts. Especially the PS3 emulator RPCS3. The performance is usually coupled with single treaded performance and clock speed. Will they beat Intel?
AVX 512
@@GewelReal Very interesting feature indeed for emulation. Seems that AMD implemented a 2 stage AVX architecture, where they unfortunately do need 2 cycles for each 512bit computation instead of one. Hope it still brings some benefits 🙏 Marketing material call it "double pumped AVX512"
Gaming temp is around 50-70, which I saw on another review. This is showing benchmark temps @ 95.
Ryzen 5000 R9s get around that while gaming too
This was exactly the review I needed for looking at upgrading my 3700x. Let's hope AMD and Intel keep this battle up and I'll probably upgrade next gen.
I see many people a bit confused with the high temperatures. those are not a bad thing per se. AMD just decided to basically let it run free and draw all the power it wants at stock settings. the 7950x is almost as fast as a 32core zen3 threadripper! but all that wattage on 2 small chiplets cant effectively be transfered onto your cooling solution, so it sits at 95° all day under full load. that is not a bad thing. it will do this 24/7 for years. however, it still stays extremely fast if you limit the power draw. for example, at around 70W power limit, it will be around as fast as a 5950X at stock settings. 70W can easily be dealt with in a small ITX build, like a DAN A4 with a Noctua l9a.
and if you have a bigger case and nice cooling, just let it do its thing and set your fan curves accordingly. do not try to cool it below 95° (it will not work with air cooling). just set your max fan speed to a level you are comfortable with noise wise, and let the cpu do its thing.
now Idk what to expect from anyone, the competition is getting wild, I bet intel will also bring huge improvement
idk, I think intel actually has this in the bag. AMD's cpu gen this time around is clearly a miss because it costs so much to get into. You need to buy a new motherboard, ddr5, AND a cpu that isn't that much better than last gen anyway. I feel like it'd be better to just wait for the gen after this when prices will likely drop further AND we'll likely see better improvements.
My cpu is currently running at 28 degrees celsius, The 3 case fans and 1 cpu cooler fan are nice and quiet, easily keeping the cpu at that nice low temperature without using much power. I had high expectations for Ryzen 7000, I am guessing that 13th gen will be comparable. Last gen is looking good now.
These things look crazy! I really want to get one of these to upgrade my rig from my 9 year old pc with an i7 4770k and a 970, but these things are really pricy!
I think you should just upgrade your gpu instead looking at those nice new crispy cpus because upgrading it can give you more fps tbh compared to upgrading your cpu
@@rocky-zx6kq your right! Though, if i bought a 20 or 30 series gpu with my current cpu, there would be a craazy bottleneck, so im probably going to build a new pc from the ground up
@@zona-rizz maybe see if a 5600x and a 3070 is enough for you
@@zona-rizz buzzin's right but if you can't afford that, buy a gpu that cost like $200 to $300 to not bottleneck it and also if you can afford a 30 series card well then you can can afford 5000 series cpu
if you don't want a literal heater with construction site noise levels in your room i would just get a intel chip off a discount the i3s ja i5s are the best "budget" gaming cpus
I really wish you threw some strategy games into the loop for gaming benchmarks as I feel they stress test the CPU more. Total War, Civ 6, Stellaris/CK3, or Age of Empires (during late campaigns end of turns). Maybe also some sim games like MS Flight Simulator 2020 or Star Citizen.
All in all great vid!
aight, since gaming gains are not so huge i will wait for next gen ryzen cpu's, gonna keep my 5600x for now.
Feel like if you have 5000 or alder lake you are good for years to come
It’s quite different for complete new build though
Depends on the games. If you play competitive games the gains are huge.
@@rdmz135 you don't need 1000fps in valorant, competetive gain are huge but you don't need it and you won't notice it
Get a better GPU, the CPU shouldn't be your focus for 'gaming' performance or go 1440p or higher
@@Valk-Kilmer i got 1440p monitor ,3070 and 5600x, and good cpu is required in 1440p resolution or higher, better cpu usually results in better lows, which are more important sometimes than average fps.
tarkov, warzone etc.
I don't know how to feel about this tbh. The performance gains are great and all but having fans creaming constantly isn't something I'm particularly a fan of. The power consumption is also like double to my 5900X. You pair this with something like a 4090 which many will and it becomes punishing to game with what's essentially a steam radiator next to you on your desk. Tuning these things is going to come down to limiting the max speed of your aio fans or something.
Adjust your fan curve
is it me or the current trend for chip maker whether its cpu or gpu is to chug as much power as possible and make sure that the chip can take all that power and heat in return? are we starting to hit a plateau in power efficiency?
Bad timing, seing as energy costs skyrocket atm
Seems like it I remember 250w GPU TDPs and 120w cpu TDPs for max frames
Thanks for the review, Ali.
Man, I can just imagine how awkward the ITX builds will be trying to chuck a 7900x/7950x in there without doing a custom loop.
Excited to see all your findings!
= its faster than intel but falls short to 5800x3d which is way more convenient if u already have am4 mobo. next month new intel coming out though, i think intel will be king again then though!
depends on the selection of games, HUB review 7600X is faster than 5800X3D
@@rdmz135 LTT showed 5800X3D leading massively over 7700X in MS Flight Simulator
@@Bayonet1809 and other games 7600x won when it comes to single thread like all fps games
@@Bayonet1809 because they used terrible timings 5200 memory and not 6000 30-30 timing memory
What are the temps when web browsing? Gaming? I lose performance if I dont have my CPU fans on 100%? Do we now need performance benchmarks at different cpu fan speeds/different coolers? This just sounds like a pain for someone who likes quiet PC. Quite happy the gaming performance is minimal so I can stick with my current CPU:D
The only way is to monitor your liquid temp but that won't be effective and not possible with an air cooler
Just adjust your fan curve properly. These things can go to 115C compared to previous 100C
This industry trend is disturbing. We are heading toward a future in which prosumer parts quite literally cannot be run on residential circuits and putting a computer in another room just for comfort becomes more and more necessary
Sliger's rackmount cases looking more attractive.
And budget version already extinct. No more variations like ryzen 3 3100 or 1660 super anymore
@@echohotelsix Maybe in the CPU space, but the 6600 is now priced in the low-mid end and provides performance equivalent to the 1080.
@@chickennoodle6620 ah yes forgot about that
I'm sorry but like? underclock if that's your thing. If you are expecting to play a game that probably ran 1 FPS on a supercomputer 25-30 years ago 165 FPS 4K Ultra extragay options you need to accept the 200 watt.
or like what I said, underclock and underwatt your CPU but don't forget you can't play 165 FPS 4K Ultra new technology nobody cares about.
I would love to see testing when power-limited, to see what performance can be achieved with lower temps and power consumption. Undervolting would be interesting too
My AIO was on the blink a little while ago, and 95C was where my BIOS would automatically shut down my PC.
Now it appears as though it’s going to be the new standard 😂
have you ever cleaned your pc lol
@@chickenbobbobba yes, I have. The pump wasn’t shifting the water around and so it would slowly heat up.
Thank you for your concern though.
@@Jacketz123 did you build this yourself? check the pump is at the bottom of the loop to make sure no air gets into it; it will stop the bubbles going into the pump, because that would render it almost useless
@@chickenbobbobba I already got rid of it unfortunately, just went for the stock one instead. And yeah I did, I think it got messed up because I had the tubes at the top when it was mounted, so apparently the air can evaporate over time.
I’ll know for my next build. Whenever that will be given the current prices lmao
@@Jacketz123 have a look on the second hand market, stuffs getting cheap there. someone ik got a 3070 for £450, and prices are only gonna go down from there. Have a look, it might be worth it
95c has been a safe temp on cpus for a decade. People need to get over it already
I'm more worried about fan noise than worrying about it hitting 95oC - sound sensitivity problems :\
Imagine intel users with 300W then
You can adjust fan curves yourself
Thank you! I’m not sure weather to get a new processor or to wait for 3d lineup because I’m building my pc from scratch. Great work as usual, waiting for your next video
So if intel came out and said " 100c and 200 watts is intended guys! It would be ok? AMD said the same shit for 5700xt and people defended it even though it wasn't ok before then
If the engineers say 100C is safe, it is safe. You do not know better than the people who designed the chip. Same goes for both companies.
Power consumption on the other hand directly impacts the consumer so the higher wattage does suck. But then again, performance per watt has increased enough. So its not all bad.
@@rdmz135 It is not about safety, it's about the fact that you'll need an expensive cooling solution to get the max performance. The cpu will automatically keep itself at the 95 degrees limit.
@@RazvanMGH That was always the case. But now if there's any thermal headroom the CPU is tuned to clock even higher. There's nothing bad about it. If you value efficiency you can always toggle on eco mode. 7950x at 65w is still faster than a 12900k running at full power.
I’m just looking forward to the itx motherboards coming!
Looks like everyone just ignores the 95c temperature lol
Almost half the video talks about the 95c temperature
not Der8auer
No one did???
AMD says it's ok. Even for 5950x, this temperature was the norm for work. I think we just need to get used to such high rates.
Sorry I have to clarity that "everyone" means most people in the comment area, not Optimum Tech dude, his review is pretty good
Love to see the uploads
Would it make sense to have a dual loop in a water cooling system, so the gpu can be cooled adequately?
It would because the cpu would be trying to eat up as much of the thermal capacity of the loop
more the other way around.
Dual loops are never worth it.
@@Digi20 I disagree, in my watercooled system the 5800x runs hotter than my 3080ti, even with undervolting it.
@@sparkplugbarrens that is always the case, because the GPU DIE is much bigger and thus cooled much more easily than the small chiplets of a modern CPU, even when it draws like twice the wattage. (-> the temp delta between DIE temperature and coolant temperature is always bigger on a CPU than on a GPU).
Very nice video, we are waiting for more information about the 7000 series (pbo, ram tuning, oc) my friend, I tell you from the heart, you deserve more views.
This doubles power consumption over the 5950X. How is this okay?
To compete with intel, but their power to performance ratio is literally better than intel and yea it's not ok that it's doubled but it literally destroyed intel again
@@rocky-zx6kq Raptor Lake.....??
"destroying" last gen parts is not much of a win lol. that is what is expected.
7600X and 7700X don't seem to offer much uplift over 12600K and 12700K respectively.
@@rocky-zx6kq lol honestly the gains aren’t impressive. And raptor lake will most probably wipe the floor with amd. AMDs Only saving grace is the 3d v cache chips, 7600x and 7700x are DOA.
@@Nerdywr Expect hefty price cuts quite soon. Zen 4 Vcache will be insane.
@@Nerdywr I have another word for you :)
Price
Please take a look at some of the more technical reviews elsewhere on the web. You'll find that the power limits can be customized (e.g. you can change the TDP down to 65W) and achieve nearly identical performance. Ars, for example, says that with the 7950X at "65W TDP" setting the chip pulls 89.8W and runs at 56.9C under load and achieve exceptional performance with similar results to the max TDP settings. What is interesting is the discrepancy in power consumption vs performance (that you get similar perf. regardless of the power consumption) and they recommend using the 65W TDP mode as a result.
Thanks for telling the truth unlike some of these other big tech reviewers who simply skip over that huge temp issue.
Another thing is Intel 13th gen will dominate the multithreaded performance and gaming. It’s only the 3d v cache chips that will be AMDs saving grace.
Raptor Lake will edge out Zen 4 in both MT and gaming. But I wouldn't call it domination. Zen 4D will come a few months later and smash the gaming crown and hold on to it for a very long time because apparently Meteor Lake is facing delays.
There is no temp issue though. Its made to run at 115C max
@@DeadFury222 yeah tell that to your desktop running 90 degrees right next to your desk
@@tywoods7234 So whats the problem? Dissipated heat will be the same even if its running at 60C or 90C. Same temp output. What counts for heat output is wattage.
This is great but I’d love to see the M1s in the Resolve and After Effects benchmarks. Or maybe a new video comparing them?
That's quite unfortunate for SFF builds. While I like the performance boost, those power draws and temperatures remind me of Intel, and not in a good way...
it is basically the other way around. you can limit the 7950x to lets say ~70W, and still get 5950x stock performance. that is awesome! 70W can easily be dealt with f.e. by a noctua l9a in a Dan A4.
its just for the last few percent multi core speed (~above 140W power draw) where the heat cant effectively be moved fast enough away from the CPU DIEs no matter what cooling you throw at it.
"turning up the wick" is one way of putting it, I'd say they're firing up the furnace for winter.
Glad to see I was right for my situation to go with the 5900x. I sniped it on Prime day for $310 and to see the gaming performance be pretty much the same especially in 1440p and my OCD is protected from seeing temps at 95. I get annoyed if I see my CPU and GPU get near 65
My biggest concern here is the noise from the AIO. I like my PC to be quiet and it is just not possible given the CPU wants to sit at 95*c. I guess you’d just have to manually set them to a particular speed and let the cpu manage itself..
Hair lookin great bro
If possible, can you post a video on the best value ITX build recommendation for 2022? Would be keen to see what's the best value ITX we can get in Australia! :)
Great Video, thanks for being me up to date.
When it's the middle of winter and you still have your AC running at full blast.
Hey mate
Great production quality as usual!
I just wanted you to cover a video when it comes to it.
Zen 4 with rdna 3 iGPU on OC DDR5
I think could be a killer e sports machine
hair looks nice, review fun as always. thanks for your effort!
Now that one month has passed we learned the heat spreader thickness is also the culprit for the warmer cpus
ECO mode/UV tests would be awesome. Seeing crazy stuff there.
Everyone is all about the games. Like to see something more real world like compiling times.
Thanks for the review and the 95 degree warning. Good to know.
If possible please test this in SFF cases to see if it can reach 5ghz with smaller coolers. Particularly on Ghost S1 with L12S cooler.
Awesome video ! Would love to see an undervolting and a Tower CPU cooler shootout with the 7950 Thanks!
If the 3D versions are going to be the gaming option going forward then so be it. Perhaps it's not such a bad thing because it's been a while since we had a strictly gaming dedicated CPU. "Jack of all trades is a master of none" and when a pc gaming is considered I think we do want a CPU that is a master of gaming.
I am 100% waiting for the 3D vcache version of the chips before I consider upgrading, as I want to make a passive-only machine next. Energy prices are going up, my tolerance for hotbox rooms is getting lower, and I would like my noise floor to keep going down.
The 3d vcache chips will give better performance even when configuring to sip, so it's basically essential before I consider a real upgrade, and even if I wanted peak gaming performance... 5800X3D proves it's worth the wait.
Please test DDR5 memory scaling.
Wouldn't the CPU heating up to 95 oC pretty much every time you boot up your pc be terrible for the life expectancy of the chip? Over the years the constant expanding and shrinking in response to the heat changes would kill the chip faster than if it was kept to a lower temp.
Hey Optimum, Would you ever consider going through your davinci resolve settings / workflow? Cheers!
4:45 You mention that the 7950X is more power efficient than previous generations, but you don't really explain how you arrived at that conclusion. GN said they were less efficient (7950X vs 5950X), and I think most of your results and power charts support that as well?
Hey Optimum Tech, as an Australian where do you get your Founders Edition cards from? I much prefer the form factor and aesthetic over AIB cards and would happily pay to get these shipped from overseas.
Will be interesting if we see a jump in fan speed tech now to compensate, if new fans will have the ability to run quiet and minimal load at much higher rpm to accommodate for new cpu and gpu workloads.
95C sounds insane ... but then again the 12900k will often go up to 105C during stress tests. AMD still has some catching up to do there.