AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8-Core CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. i7-12700KF, R9 7900X, & More
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Our review of the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X CPU features benchmarks and tests vs. the AMD R9 7900X, AMD R9 7950X, AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, and Intel's competition, like the i5-12600K and i7-12700KF. These benchmarks look at thermals, power, frequency, gaming performance (FPS), the best CPUs for Adobe Premiere and Photoshop, and more.
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00:00 - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X CPU Review & Benchmarks
01:14 - Alternatives to the AMD R7 7700X
02:40 - Thermals, Frequency, & Boosting Behavior
03:43 - The Best Ryzen 7000 CPU Frequency
04:56 - Power Consumption for the R7 7700X
06:30 - Gaming Benchmark Suite Updates
06:58 - CSGO Best CPUs 2022 (1080p, 1440p)
08:16 - Rainbow Six Siege CPU Benchmarks (1080p)
09:04 - Far Cry 6 CPU Tests 7700X vs. 7900X vs. 7600X
09:45 - Final Fantasy XIV CPU Benchmarks
10:41 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p & 1440p
11:19 - F1 2022 CPU Comparison 7700X vs. 12700K
11:58 - Blender Rendering Benchmarks (CPU Cycles)
13:58 - CPU Energy Efficiency Benchmarks
15:07 - Code Compile CPU Benchmarks with Chromium
16:20 - Compression & Decompression Tests (AMD vs. Intel)
18:03 - Adobe Premiere CPU Rendering & Playback Tests
18:36 - Adobe Photoshop Best CPUs
19:33 - Conclusion: 7700X vs. 7600X, 7900X, & Intel
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Is it just me, or does paying $500+ for just a 6 core CPU and motherboard seem kinda offensive in a tech age where AMD themselves pioneered very affordable and mainstream 6 core gaming builds with their game changing AM4 platform and original zen / zen+ and zen 2 and zen 3 architectures?
can air coolers cool these new cpu? cause even 360mm aio is keeping it in 95*C
You should definitely make benchmarks with different cooling. Not everybody wants to use 360 AIO.
And with ZEN 4 I really like to know how these CPUs operate with air cooling. Most probably clocks will be lower because 95C will be reached fast.
The second thing I would love to see is all these benchmarks repeated with 105 and 65 ECO modes.
And the third thing is to add MS Flight Simulator as this game is CPU demanding.
Hey there Gamers Nexus, upfront - I'm a fan of your content! But why is it, that the iGPU is turned off in your Premiere Pro Puget benchmarks? The iGPU is an important factor for video editing, since it shows the real benefits of each CPU. That's why I find your Premiere benchmarks very misleading in this regard. Hopefully you revisit this. PC World just published the difference between iGPU turned on or off and the difference is HUGE. Until AMD has the iGPU not working properly in Premiere Pro, the majority of people will benefit much more from Intel iGPU media engines. Please revisit this.
Where is the total war benchmark?
The advice Steve gives at the end of the video is barely something you get from others. Such a classy reviewer. Understands the value of money.
Steve is the most glorious person I have ever seen. Especially as an "influencer". Great guy with integrity.
Indeed. For anyone buying right now, I'd honestly wait until mid October so we know what's what GPU wise and CPU then you can make the best decision to make your cash go further.
I been waiting to buy since zen 3, refused to get caught up in hype.
and its not an act...not like selling 200 dollar backpacks and 80 dollar screwdrivers and making podcasts called "NviDiA tHiNkS yOuR'E RicH" for clicks and controversy...
@@pandacat17 Linus catching strays....damn
@@JustLikeBuildingThings I'd probably agree, especially it doesen't seem that likely there's going to be a shortage this time around.
I checked motherboard prices today. An X670 gaming pro carbon is 200 dollars more expensive then the launch price of the X570. AMD really is trying to double dip with the increased chipset costs and keeping the baked in CPU price creep. Going to hold off until Raptor Lake to see if it forces AMD to come back to reality.
AMD has been out of the cheap market for a "long" time
Real
Wait for B650 for more reasonable prices.
@@gscurd75 yes, get your garbage B650 DS3H motherboard that can’t even power a 7700x for $150, or your B650 Tomahawk for $280 when it should be $160. Definitely more reasonable there.
AMD = motherboard manufacturers?
Something tells me blind intel fanboys aren't very bright...
Loving GN's consumer advocacy and money saving advice. Nothing builds trust better than giving reasons not to buy, even though a product is good. The lack of hype is a refreshing change from other channels.
Jesus loves you so much and He is waiting for you with open arms,
Please accept Him in your heart and life while He is near
I hope GN does a comparison with how these CPUs run on different cooler from high end loop and air to the cheap ones. It would be great to know how my cooler will stack up with some objective metrics that only you guys can do.
they pretty much showed that in the live stream with how temperature to core clock stepping works. tldr it works the same as last gen except now instead of the ceiling cap being 68C where it starts reducing boost clocks it's now 95C.
Delidding the thing and running a custom contact plate can push the temps back down to the 70C expected range and really opens up this series to some crazy opportunities. "Jayz already released a video about it along side Der8auer "
@@WhatWillYouFind Look at Optimum Tech's recent video. They managed to drop it from 90C to 61C using PBO2 curve optimizer + power limit which ended up being +/- 1% of stock performance..... but 30C cooler!
These are designed to run up to 95 degrees celcius. Installing a cheap aircooling or a watercooler is'nt going to change it's designed target. Get used to it. AMD wants these thing to run 95 degrees which is the new "its cool" range.
@@Jeroensgambling and that is good, heating the home in europe will get more expensive the next year and this cpu will help with heating the room.
Great work Steve! There are plenty of CPU bound games too that can be benchmarked. Please test those in a CPU benchmark. Cities Skylines, Civilization VI, Factorio, and several others all have meaningful CPU benchmark software built-in (especially for single-threaded games). A 600fps game flateline is pointless. Yes, these examples are not the chart toppers at your local Gamestop, but that's not why we bench to just show popular games that the crowd will recognize.
100% agree with you.
For instance, Civilization games are pretty much unplayable due to CPU bottleneck: especially on big maps (read: expert level of complexity), each turn takes forever to compute, making it impossible to complete a game in a reasonable real time (think several minutes to compute each turn over 500 turns, the real-world hour count for 1 game is staggering).
I would LOVE it if "smartly beefy" CPUs (able to distribute load automagically over many cores, branch prediction etc.) were able to churn Civilization's code faster regardless of optimizations by programmers of the game; sadly that day never came. Each iteration is more CPU intensive than the last (despite AI being dumber, go figure), and that's a deal breaker for regular working people who can't spend _weeks full time_ to play a few games.
Civ is a good example. Basically a gaming version of a CPU render task lol.
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The idea is to get a numerical comparison between CPUs. You can generalize this to how they'd perform on other CPU-bound games compared to existing/competing CPUs.
@@KhanSphere Yes, of course, but CPU bound games will do this even more relevantly. GPU bound games can still skew CPU numbers even if there's an apparent difference. There are also dozens and dozens of games, so no need to worry about not having enough proper games to review. He may have chosen this one simply because it's part of his test suite, and it's easier to not switch up suites... that's my best guest.
Considering the CRAZY results Optimum Tech got when he undervolted these CPUs it would be very interesting to see these power charts with a setup like that as well.
So you say he achieved optimum voltage?
Why would they do that for a review that it's meant to inform average consumers? They will probably do that in a separate video, but it doesn't make sense in a review
@@gerhardsmith7892 Of course, but where else would make the request?😁
@@gerhardsmith7892 neither of these channels are for average consumers.
That video was crazy. Can't wait to see more videos of people experimenting with these CPU's. That's the best part. I wanna see a video of different coolers being tested and how the thermal headroom effects performance. From like a $20 air cooler to a 360 rad lol.
The GN team must have been so busy over the last few days. Appreciate the hard work guys! The 7700x is looking like a great option over the 7600x for me.
Same here, it's the mid range performance that can do anything that drew me to buying the I7 last time when i bought my laptop with 3080 (which has let me down by breaking due to overheating, thanks MSI...). I'm currently waiting to see ALL the reviews for GPU's from both manufacturers before I start thinking about what bits and bobs to buy for a build though... Radeon might have something to offer this time around over the expensive 40 series if the rumours I've heard are true.
7600X sucks, worse than the 5600X (pretty overrated, losses against i7-10700K or i9-9900K in Cyberbug 2077 lol).
@@saricubra2867 Evidence? Link?
Yes
@@saricubra2867 kind of an outlier tho since the 7600x beats those CPUs in most other games. Still a bad value tho lol
As a Post-doc in medical biology, I often work with sequencing datasets that my current i7-6700 struggles with, but which are too small to justify using the supercomputer for. The R7-700 is very appealing to me from the standpoint of the massive improvement in speed with which my bioinformatic calculations will run, allowing me to do things faster... giving me a little more time to relax and play some games at the end of the day!
That said I think Steve's point is that an R9 chip is a worthy enough increase/price to be worth the few hundred dollars for a lot of applications like that.
yea a couple hundred is worth the bump to the flagship for such applications, you are buying your time back.
If your workload can be spread across many threads, a r9 5900/5950x might also be a good option. Cheaper RAM and Mainboards. Depends on your workloads and how the pricing turns out in your country.
Have you thought of renting a VM with a server grade CPU and RAM with Amazon or Microsoft's Azure? Sure we would love to make an excuse to have a shiny new box 😃 but your university may have partnership with Amazon or Microsoft for a steep discount
Hold off on putting in the financial request until we finally get reviews for Intel’s raptor lake
Strongly consider WAITING for the 13600K info and AMD Nov 3rd announcement info! I need to see more testing!!! Amazing Work Steve & Team!
The 13600K looks insane. 6p+8E cores for $300 is a serious gaming-PC value.
Intel should make some big gains when they jump to EUV from DUV and stacked forksheet transistor from super FinFET. Should provide them with huge efficiency gains and hopefully great speed. Think this will all come not on this release but the next one.
@@erikhendrickson59 What motherboard would it be paired with? DDR4 or DDR5? Considering someone is buying a new build
@@BrunoJMR you can pair it with either ddr4 and ddr5 so 600 or 700 series intel board, z690/z790 if u want to overclock the K cpus
6 real cores and 8 crappier ones is how I see it. We are not looking to save wattage to prevent battery drainage, not a phone or tablet cpu ffs. Stop encouraging this behavior.
They are K models, made to push for top wattage consumption yet we get Efficient cores ? Non sense. Can't believe people are excited for those.
Unless you absolutely need a CPU right now, seems crazy to buy any of these for gaming with B650 and 3D versions only a few months away.
even those are probably unneccesary for most people in my opinion, spec chasing overtakes sense though
The 3DV cache wont be cheaper I feel, might add a $50-100 premium
Just like GN said, you can buy a 12100, 12400, or ryzen 5600 if you are just gaming, they aren't that far behind
@@Gattberserk 7800x3D prob $500
The 3D cach improve the cpu latency and is made for high fps with low cpu latency to sudden changes, such as explosion effects etc in games.
If you understand what i mean, wait for this: R7 7700X3D with 7200 Ram Dual channel and a latency between 28-36 CL.
(Just info for ppl that like to think) GTX 1080 = 320 bandwith, RTX 3080 = 760 bandwith but thats wrong, it has to be 1240 bandwith duo to transistor count/performance.
Means... if you have a RTX 3080 etc, im sorry for you, you GPU is extreme bandwith bottleneckt. Games prove the fps difference between GTX 1080 and RTX 3080.
The fps difference doesnt match with its raw performance = memory is to slow = look tflops bandwith ratio = Nvidia destroyed you....
Also.. 300 watt? i will never buy 2x trashed ware, to much watt and bottleneckt by bandwith. :P
The GN team is ROCKING this hardware coverage!
Honestly, each new CPU cycle are always so well covered by you guys every single time that I had to shout it out, thank you so much for your work, dedication and love for the community to wear yourselves out like this, and holding yourselves to the standards that you do both in reporting and investigating! I'm still considering what options I'm gonna go with in terms of a new PC since I've decided to finally upgrade after seeing my motherboard/PSU reach the end of upgradability and this definitely paints a good picture of what to get. Can't wait to see you cover the AMD GPU cards and give me a verdict on what way to swing in that market!
☎️✍️✍️......
Thanks Steve. This looks like the CPU for me when the prices settle down a little next year.
Avoids the scheduling issues of the dual-die CPUs, while maximising the cores count and a small but measurable performance bump over the R5.
I'm always amazed by the insane gaming value a i3 12100f gives for just a 100 bucks.
Exactly, hell, I used a i3 10100f for a while and couldn't tell the difference to a 11400f, like you say, when a i3 12100f can play almost any game at over 100fps, why would you spend money on anything else for gaming...
@@nix123ism it because it not the cpu that play game it's the GPU pair it with the cheapest gpu and it will be a unplayable mess
But at 100$ it let you with a bigger budget for a good GPU
best part about all this new hardware is = there are no new games worth playing !
@@nix123ism if I want to play at 144 FPS I would not choose the 12100/F. This is especially true with 165, 240, or even 360 Hz monitors. If I want to do any sort of productive task, having more than 4 cores is pretty useful. Although since most gamers are playing at 1080p60 the i3s are amazing value.
Motherboards are still very expensive though, and cheapest ones look like garbage, and are armed with features accordingly.
Would LOVE to see an ECO Mode efficiency graph.
A metric/data I'd like to see would be simultaneous live streaming and gaming performance between CPUs. I'm not sure how much this factors into things but I assume I'm not the only one who has an interest in some hobbyist live-streaming without wanting to have a second dedicated streaming rig.
As always thanks GN team for the lightning fast coverage!
Thanks for this coverage!
There is a whole subset of games which are CPU bound which I wish reviewers would benchmark. I play a lot of simulation heavy games that are CPU bound like Rimworld, Factorio, Modded Minecraft, etc. Having the best single core performance possible often benefits these games which run their game logic on mostly a single core.
These games start to hit bottlenecks as the simulation gets complex. Late game Factorio / Rimworld / Minecraft (tech mods like SkyFactory) can SUPER lag regardless of GPU, so they make interesting tests using late-game saves. I always test new hardware with some of my late game saves to see if there are performance improvements. Games like Dwarf Fortress often end when you experience "fps death" because the game becomes unplayable at some point.
Sadly, these games aren't trendy to benchmark, but they have bottlenecks which you won't see anywhere else and are interesting to test. If anyone else in the comments have similar examples, let me know because I'm super interested.
MIncecraft benchmarks LMAO...
Roblox benchmark would be useful
I'm serious
RPCS3.
@@x86FTW Modded Minecraft has brought my 12400F/RX 6700 XT to it's knees many times
@@alkaline.dreamer same here, he just made an ignorant comment, there are more Minecraft players in the world than all ten top regular games combined.
Thanks for all the recent reviews! I know you guys need a rest now...but once you're back, I think it would be really great to see how these do on ECO mode and/or undervolting. Especially undervolting, as they seem to be really stable at increased clock on stock voltage.
optimum tech has a pbo2 video, tldw is 30 degrees cooler for no performance loss
@@thebeatles9 HUB says otherwise with a 5% loss. Not a lot, but just enough to kill the value even further, and make 3D SKUs have less of an impact.
THank you for offering great perspective on use cases when expressing benchmark results and constraints. Your integrity is appreciated and I like your focus on precision with test methodologies.
Would love to see some VR (virtual reality) benchmarks. I understand that some of the workload is just scaling to the lens output resolution, but many of these games are extremely inefficient in processing.
yeah, VR is actually the one thing that needs high fps
Second this! Bonelab is launching and that may be a good one to test
people still do that?
Great work on ZEN4. Can always count on GN to give a non biased, accurate review of new hardware. Thank you team.
I got something for you….
I absolutely love your conclusion! It's really consumer focused! However, I decided to buy a 7 7700X because it was on sale here in Germany... I mostly use my PC for work (and a bit of gaming on the side) and just love my new rig. I upgraded from an overclocked FX8350 and the difference is just astounding.
Thank you for your great reviews🙂
Thanks for the review on all these new Ryzen cpu's Steve, I'm sure it was tiring as hell to complete it all! And I hope you and your team are all ok from the storm there in NC! Sending you guys lots of positive energy! :)
Der8auer’s 20 degree drop on the 7900X with de lid and direct die cooling was insane. Would be extremely curious to see what kind of performance you could get in ECO mode with those temperature drops.
optimum tech showed how you can get a 30 degree temp drop with 0 performance loss
Yes it is insane when you can just achieve the same results by using curve optimizer and power limit yourself.
@@thebeatles9 I had a feeling this would be the case if you really got under the hood and dialed your numbers in right. AMD and Intel are just trying to run everything as hard as possible for the sake of topping charts, the actual minimum required to reach that high performance is much lower.
@@thebeatles9 for games or all core workloads too?
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Dear Steve,
Optimum tech released pbo2 tune for ryzen 7000 (same as 5000 series) where depending on silicone lottery, thet can perfom as stock with up to 30 degree temperature drop due to decrease in power consumption up to %35.
Thanks for the reviews and the advice, Steven and team. You've definitely kept me from spending a lot of money on what would not have been a great upgrade!
Great job on getting all the 7000 series videos out this quick. You guys at GN are the most reliable source for accurate information that I trust for the last 2 years now.
I got something for you….
"reliable sorce for accurate information"
With sponsorships from the PC companies and no frametime graphs and gameplay footage.
They are reliable for the rest but gaming benchmarks are fundamentally cherry picked.
Better watch Testing Games youtube channel. Real time gameplay, benchmark and MSI Afterburner, no magical bars like Intel and AMD show for their presentations.
Me and my 5800X3D will just be chilling off to the side for a couple of years lol
Me too.
I will hold my purchase until AMD release a 3D cache for 7000 series. Because now, you are in the great sweat spot : cheap, good fps and good power consumption.
Oh, my 12700kf is indeed safe for this generation of cpu`s! Ty for another great video, Steve!
Graet job folks, exactly what I needed to see(hear). Others creators did helped, but this was extremly helpful.
Top quality as always, I was waiting for this review thank you
The reason in the past for me to go with AMD 3 plus years ago with the 2700x / x470 mb was they were cheaper to build than the intel platform with price vs performance. This gave me longevity when it came to upgrading my cpu 3 years later to the 5950x. Now with some way more expensive x670 MB giving less I/O than my flagship MSI MB from 3 years ago that I paid $249 for plus DDR 5 prices still being double to triple in cost. May wait for x770 2nd gen Am5 Processors and MB before considering a new build. With next gen PSU requirements for the newest upcoming video cards I may as well wait for a complete new build when all the new stuff has matured and gone thru its test phases with the public to work out the bugs. The power draw on these new builds are going to be insane compared to my current system. May need a mini fusion power plant to run it anyways :)
I wonder if the lack of a 7800 on launch is an indicator that it will be a X3D cpu released sometime in the end of Q1/mid Q2
My guess is the x800 name carries too much weight because of the 5800x3D still being a thing, so AMD might be avoiding that number altogether. But it's crystal clear that the 7700x is the generational replacement of the 5800x. There will be a 7700x3D, and they'll probably reserve the 7800/x name for a "low power" version of the 7900x (12c/24t CPU). In a similar fashion with what happened with the 5700x/5800x (and there's even an OEM non-x 5800, which was essentially a 5700x).
@@sovo1212 Looking at the gap betweent he 7700 and the 7900 in performance it's a bigger leap than in the last generation. I expect there to be only one X3D this generation and it will likely be the 7800 that gets it.
@@sovo1212 They will pull a 5x series and make a 5800x to profit off of them, then make the x3D.
good chiplets go to server market. They pay more than consumers.
Complete speculation.
Loved the clip of Patrick "having fun" with the thermal paste.
Wonderful review, thank you GN!
Amazing work guys!
To me the performance jump from a 3700x to a zen 4 with the added platform cost is a price too steep for me for what I get.
Maybe when a 7800x3d comes. Can't wait for RDNA 3 though.
Yeah that's not enough of a gap in generations. My CPU is so old that it stopped showing up in benchmarks years ago (i5-4670K). So the 7700X is going to be a *massive* upgrade for me once it arrives in the mail today!
@@Psythik That’s what I was on, 4670k. Don’t see many of them mentioned out in the wild these days…
@@Psythik Cheers mate! Have fun building!
@@MrSkeltal268 I got a now-ancient i5 3570k. This cpu is basically an obscure myth at this point.
Another generation means another buffet of gamer's nexus content. Love it
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Can't wait to see the incoming intel chips in those charts as well. Loved all the new AMD reviews. Keep up the good work.
Your watts per frame chart is great. It answered my questions about efficiency. It really sits you apart from other reviewers.
Thanks for having the 1700 in the charts.
I upgraded from a launchday 1700 to 5800x, the perrformance is simply good enough and only a bios update was needed.
what board are you using? I hope this time they dont break compatibility with some older basic boards
what board are you using? I hope this time they dont break compatibility with some older basic boards
@@albertomon what happened?
Dis they break compatibility of preexisting parts before?
If so bruh how is that even legal lol
@@albertomon Using a X370 Taichi 7.10 bios.
PBO on with 4.9 Mhz singlecore and 4550-4650 allcore Cinebench depending on room temperatures, limited by my Noctua D15.
3800 memory with 1:1 ratio.
@@larsjrgensen5975 Do curve optimizer to get that boost up, -5 to -25 depending on core quality if you're lucky (open Ryzen Master to see core quality). Use PBO2 Tuner to limit your PPT TDC and EDC to reduce temperatures further so you can test different values live in windows. Reduce each value until performance drops then raise it back up to where performance loss is minimal or nonexistent. Then input values into your bios in PBO settings (old motherboards may call it XFR enhancement). If your BIOS doesn't have CO settings you can do a startup command on PBO2 Tuner automatically when you boot to do CO offset with Windows Task Scheduler. There's a good undervolting guide on g1thb for the 5800x3d that explains how to do the Windows Task Scheduler startup with PBO2 Tuner (comment gets removed if I say the actual name of the site idk why). Adding a little bit of LLC may help add some stability under load as well.
Still on a 3950x with a 3080, happy with my system - all I do is light 3D rendering, video editing, and pixel animations. I'm contempt with what I have.
The 3950X is still an excellent processor.
It's "content", not "contempt". You can hold someone in contempt, and you can be content with what you have.
respect for giving honest and practical advices
thx for doing all that time-consuming tests too team!
Seeing multiple videos and comparisons for the new 7000 series, it really shows how aged the 1st gen Ryzen processors now are. It will be a wonderful upgrade from a R5 1600 to any of these new processors.
Thanks for giving great reviews over all the new 7000 series processors
More fantastic work.
One thing I would like to see covered is how power consumption scales when handling less intensive tasks that puts a CPU at roughly 25/50/75% usage. Would be less comparable between CPUs but still good to know.
And definitely more relevant for those of us worried about power bills but who aren't redlining our CPUs all the time
Absolutely! Particularly when there are AMD chips where they can be doing light work at under 10% their boost power.
Just look at their idle power draw. That will give you a hint. I am staying on AM4 for another year. Just upgrading to the 5800X3D as I primarily game on this pc and have had the 5600X for two years while it is fine the X3D is more comparable gaming upgrade with a high end gpu to Zen 4 for gaming w/o having to change your system. I've got two other motherboards waiting for Zen 3 cpus to build, gaming systems with, X370 and a B550. I may also buy a couple of 6750XT gpus to go in them verses my Vega 64 or 5700XT. Either way the 5600X will game very well for 90% of all gamers if I decide to sell them (some people collect art. I collect gaming pcs). If you want more gaming performance, then 5800X3D is a natural choice to extend your AM4 purchase from years back, even if you bought last year. Budget buying wise, to me it's a no brainer, even with Intel's offerings. The next gen consoles will have Zen 3 cpus with RDNA 3 gpus inside. That's when games and game engines will really step up hardware requirements imo.
@@jerrywatson1958 How's the idle of your 5600X? I've been thinking of getting one used if I find one cheaper than a new 5600G in my area (western Europe). Hopefully to pair with an intel arc alchemist card (my gaming's covered by deck, looking for a better watt to performance productivity machine than my second gen i7 with 1050Ti). And yes the irony of an Intel GPU on a system with an AMD CPU is part of why I want this. Also because only Intel does better Linux drivers than AMD.
@@lua-nya It all depends on your system settings. My HTPC draws 90-100w at the wall when idle it has multiple HD and a NVME. So it maxes out at 65W under a frequency limited all core load of 4000 Mhz while transcoding videos. ARC is dead. You'll get more performance out of a Radeon GPU as the linux drivers have been improved a lot by the community in concert with AMD. Personally I don't expect FREE STUFF. I've toyed with linux but, I can't deal with the level of incompleteness it has in various areas as opposed to Windows. For light embedded work, fine. Raspberry Pi to your heart's content. For the Enterprise there is Red Hat and all the support your wallet can handle.
Seems to me that AMD have kinda ignored the change from PGA to LGA with their pricing. LGA motherboards cost more to manufacture, hence mobo prices go up, but LGA also means the CPU is cheaper to manufacture than PGA, but they've kept the same CPU prices as R5000. So rather than mobo prices going up a bit and CPU prices going down a bit to balance out, they've just had the mobo prices go up, so an overall increase in price.
These are launch prices on a new platform altogether. Wait for the product to be out for a bit and see if price/demand change.
There may be some decent deals this black Friday/cyber Monday
Citation on change in manufacturing costs for lga/pga cpu and motherboard?
During these times and economics you expect or wanted a price decrease going to a new architecture? Awww haha
@@DurzoBlunts yeah seems like someone is forgetting one of the core principles about businesses that GN keeps repeating, businesses aren’t your friend. They are looking out for their own interests and not the interests of the consumers.
don't expect the impossible, if you have a chance to hike the price up, why pull it down.
So many people are rocking equipment such as GTX 1080 TIs & 9900k, it would nice if the youtubers included some examples of old hardware like that because people are waiting for the right time to upgrade so they often don't keep check of the past 1 or 2 gen of hardware.
Many people recently upgraded from a 2500k for instance.
People have made a big deal about the CPU load in the Spider-Man PC port and there are questions about whether once faster I/O becomes the norm for games that will start to happen more often. It'd be nice to see that added to the benchmarks here, particularly in combination with the 30 and 40 series jump for gaming.
Would like to see a deep dive into the efficiency metrics and why the previous gen, especially the 5950, is better than new.
Because we hit the point of diminishing results
Killing it Steve!
I got the 3 in 1 bundle that including this cpu and I've been long over due for an upgrade since I'm currently using an i5 9600k. Thank you for all the insightful comparisons/tests it made me feel a little better about my purchase! 😃
So would you recomend the 7700x bundle or 22900k I’m stuck with the question
I like the shade you throw at FPS snobs
Sounds like the actual competition will be between 13th gen Intel and Zen 4 X3D if they ever happen. Also seems like these will be worthwhile CPUs, but just in the future when boards/memory are more available and cheaper as opposed to right now.
It will happen it's in the amd road map and leak suggest a q1 2023 release
For the folks who have a 1700, look into upgrading your bios! I switched to a 3700x recently and the performance uplift was great! No need to get new ram or motherboard or cooler!
Should’ve gotten a 5700x not a good upgrade unless u had a very tight budget and even then it’s still not a good purchase
@@Jackjo0_123 Depends on how much he paid and what the circumstances were
Upgrade from 1700 to 3700 is definitly noticable !
Such thorough work. Legendary channel. Thank you for all your time, effort & expertise.
Luv your reviews. Thank you for the in depth and unbiased reviews. I believe I will hold off on 7000 series due to high cost esp of MB. Will probably revisit 7000 when x3d part released as 5800x3d still rocks and I use my PC essentially for gaming.
I didn't expect to see FFXIV represented here. That put a smile on my face. I just, recently, upgraded from a 3700x to a 5800x3D. I can now play at 5120x1440 max settings and maintain 60 FPS even in Limsa (using a 2070). I can do that AND have a video playing on a second monitor without it lagging to death. Feels so damn good.
Vcache in mmos is a monster. Work wonders in gw2 too, stutters are gone
I have a 3700 too planning on doing the same upgrade, then wait a couple years for ddr 5 and am5 motherboards prices to drop. Also waiting on 7000 series 3d cpus.
I've never been happier to not have waited. I was going to go AMD and wait for the 7600X but I really wanted a PC so I went with the i5 12500 ($202 at the time) over the 5600X ($250 at the time) instead, this was back in April. Solid value gaming build, DDR4 3600 in a B660 board. I would have never spent $400 on a 7600X plus all the extra for the MOBO, DDR5, Cooling, etc. I would have been waiting for nothing.
I was also going to wait for the 4070 but with the rumors all over the place and me going 3 months with my new PC with no GPU I caved and bought a 3080 12gb for $700 after discount. 3 months later of happily gaming and the 4000 series launch blows with NO 4070 and $900 price of entry. I would have never spent $900 on a GPU, let alone that 4080 12gb which is a 4070 in disguise. The $700 I spent on my 3080 12gb was already above what I wanted to spend and is my first 80 series card. Yeah, glad I didn't wait! I love my build, will use it for at least 4 years as is being that is the warranty length on my GPU
Something I wouldn't mind seeing is comparing the numbers that you guys get to the numbers that are previously advertised by the company making the product, like the numbers posted on AMD / Nvidia / Intel key notes for instance
Would love some gaming benchmarks with eco 65 and 105 modes, pc world had benchmarks for cinebench showing 90% perf at 50% power, and 75% perf at 30% power.
I look forward to the undervolt optimizing, Tech Yes City and Optimum Tech has gotten some pretty insanely good efficiency figures.
8:20 it's nice to see GN accepting constructive feedback and reading all the decimal numbers for FPS on these benchmarks
Begrudgingly though! 🤣🤣🤣
Jesus he was bitching something chronic about it lol
"Because 606.6 is nowhere near enough, whereas 606.7 is the perfect amount"
@@DailyCorvid Ever heard of sarcasm?
The decimals are fake precision and are meaningless. Steve shouldn’t have caved to such ignorance.
Thank goodness iv been dying for this video I bought this one at launch glad to see it's as good as I had expected
Am glad you did this video today.
I know it is not the stock setting, but I think it'd be great if you looked into optimizations of power settings for Ryzen like Optimum Tech.
Yes! Don't give them a pass because they said it's efficient (when it isn't), but see if with better settings the silicon itself can actually be efficient. Thanks Steve.
Nobody got time for that, you dont know how much stability will be compromised. Honestly AMD do a damn fine job of managing the boost, just give them a few microcode updates and leave it well alone.
@@jondonnelly4831 One don't even need to undervolt to extract better efficiency. AMD gave us the ECO modes that trade off a little performance for way more power efficiency, with no stability worries. The TMSC newer processes don't scale well in performance above about 5W per core.
@@esoel Apparently the 7950x at 65w outperforms an unlocked 5950x and 12900k. That looks efficient enough to me!
@@pinakijana9479 Yet at 13:50 in this very video steve shows on his chart the 5950x being on top for efficiency. He even says"120W for that CPU's performance we might not see that again for a long time". This is very misleading information.
How reliable are the numbers for the 1% and 0.1% lows? A lot of the time I find those more interesting to look at than the average fps, and the 7700X seems to do well here, in some cases beating the 7950X by a significant margin. If 1% is too unreliable then I'd like to see something like the average of the first quartile.
Well done and much appreciate all the hardwork
Excellent review, thank you.
It would be very interesting to benchmark AI tasks on CPU. I know those are mostly done on GPU but they can run on CPU as well and seeing generational improvements in that would be interesting.
Stable diffusion would probably be a good idea for testing since it can run on CPU, as well as Nvidia and AMD (under Linux) GPUs and is open source
Aww man the things they are doing with AI! I was watching Karoly Fahirs two-minute-papers channels...
JESUS it's AMAZING what these AI's are already doing, the men and women building them legit are geniuses.
@@DailyCorvid that's what we want you to think, but it's really easy
Looking forward to this one. Its the CPU I'm looking to get in January for a new ITX build! Funny enough in the case sponsored!
Bruh
any of these in ITX is a terrifying prospect, good luck
Im going to see if i can adapt or modify the case to fit a 240 AIO. Ive seen pictures of people doing it but not how they did it!
My old 7700k seems so ancient now ! Mind you I had to de-lid the cpu and throw in liquid metal to cool it as well back in 2017 .
thank you for those in depth videos. my i7 6700 gets replaced by the 7900x in a few days.
Incredibly thorough as always, awesome review. As a gamer and part time content creator I'm really interested to see if after the 13th generation drops from Intel if there is really a worthy successor this generation in my upgrading from my Ryzen 3900XT (360mm AIO) to help with FPS and reduce export times for my videos (Hitfilm / Davinci).
Cool Avatar reminds me of MvG's one! Cool font as well.
@@DailyCorvid Thanks, that's a newly discovered creator for me, I'll have to check some of those videos out.
You guys should try out your efficiency benchmarks with a pbo2 undervolt and a new thermal limit. Optimum saw stock performance(cinebench) thermally limited to 65* with a PBO2 of -30
I don't get it why buy a V8 monster then limit the engine computer to 40mph?
You pay extra for speed, then drive it slowly? Nahh not for me. Wasting money that way!
If you want efficiency to save money then Am5 ain't the thing for you!
@@DailyCorvid I mean most people undervolt for longevity purposes. Correct or not most electronerds don't want to run their gear at 95* all day. Additionally that's 30* worth of radiant heat no longer baking into whatever cooling system you're using. Additionally the undervolt and thermal limit still produce STOCK LEVEL PERFORMANCE star child. So your analogy doesn't even work. Try again.
@@DailyCorvid It doesn't decrase performance
@@DailyCorvid With certain things undervolting can increase performance or at worst you lose 5% performance for better temps which helps make your room not a raging inferno while you try to play games.
I dont use my pc for anything except gaming with the occasional photoshop or sony vegas meme but i greatly appreciate yall talking about your recommendations to people who use their rigs for workstation use. Its just nice that yall check all the boxes for everyone who has a pc either a hardcore gamer or a CGI artist and whatnot.
This vid was the deciding factor for me. Going 7700x + 4090 as the powerful gpu hardware acceleration on top of the 7700x should more than take care of my video editing needs.
I find the 95°C target somewhat worrying. A delta of 50+°C between idle and load is a lot. The stress caused by thermal cycling aside, I wonder if there is a potential for early silicon degradation at these temps. I'm sure AMD engineers accounted for all that, but it can be difficult to predict/test the long-term effects of changes like this. I hope we won't see a failure rate spike with this gen - something we usually don't even consider when it comes to CPUs.
It's a distinct possibility. With the way business in general has been lately, it wouldn't surprise me if it was manufactured just for that.
I guess we'll see. But I'm also waiting for detailed Raptor Lake information, too. What I've heard so far sounds very promising.
Intel mobile processors have something similar (turbo immediately up to 80C) for a long time and it doesn't seem to kill them earlier than they get replaced. The extra 15C could make the difference though.
don't worry, I'm pretty sure these things can reach at least 125C, and start to have problem at 150C. Automotive-grade components are designed for these demanding situations.
I think people worry themselves about something that is technically true but also mostly irrelevant. Sure, it'll degrade faster but not fast enough in any way that matters. You'll be replacing the thing long before any potential degradation because of temps comes into the picture. Maybe a concern for 2nd/3rd hand users 10 years down the line but the near term? Not really. Also, you don't run your CPU at 100% all the time to be reaching these higher end temps unless you are using it in a work station setting and even then the above statements remain true, you won't be burning it out before you would realistically replace it.
I got an R9 290x stock in my closet. Bought it used coming out of a mining farm, ran it for 6 years gaming while it hit 90-95c in every demanding game and it still works fine to this day.
Optimum Tech has the answer, changing 95C thermal limit (see Fixing Ryzen 7000).
In the BIOS under overclocking there's a configurable entry called "Platform Thermal Throttle Limit", on manual you can run as cool as you like and NEVER have to worry about triggering excessive fan noise. Using the Curve Optimizer to undervolt and setting a power limit can also be done to achieve "decent" behaviour with minimal sacrifice in performance or even a bump.
It may be worthwhile to start testing these CPUs with ray tracing enabled titles and DLSS/FSR enabled. From what I gather from Digital Foundry we're quick to run up against CPU limitations in games like Spiderman where RT is on full display. Maybe a niche thing to look at, but probably less so than analyzing 600+ FPS in CS:GO. It may also reveal CPU differences in more realistic resolutions like 1440p/4K since I doubt most who are spending $400+ on a CPU are running a 1080p display.
Spiderman is uniquely cpu heavy regardless of ray tracing. Long story short, direct storage is what would alleviate the cpu load on that particular game
Thanks as always for the information and opinions. Looking forward to looking back at these chips when Intel 13th gen, the b6600 boards, RDNA3, and Nvidia 4000 series are all out lol
Appreciate the work from the crew. Honestly wouldn't mind the snark being dialed down a bit. Value is also a debatable point IMO
You can literally save $300 by going with a i7-12700 and a decent B660 or cheap Z690 board and DDR4 vs getting a 7700X right now with all its platform costs and get comparable performance...
Oh god I can already see the AMD fanboys jumping on this comment and misinterpreting your use of the word "comparable" as in "the same" lmfao. You're dangerous.
@@leeroyjankins2307 Lmfao
As good as these CPU's might be, the outlay necessary to get started on AM5 at the moment is just ludicrous
I'll be very interested to see what Intel can bring to the table in comparison however
I’m tempted to buy Amd but something tells me to wait, want that 7900x
@@oneaboveallferrarifan2725 I am waiting for cheaper B650 motherboards and the 7000X3D release in January.
Intel and AMD seems to weirdly have switched places, looking at the 13th Gen announcements.
Intel is now seen as the underdog, but with more cores, and a better value with more compatibility (DDR4 and DDR5) compared to AMD.
My, how the times have changed.
@@Bayonet1809 what about OC capabilities 😮? Are they as good as the x670 E? This is my first time looking for AMD parts tho, I always been intel with a 9700k
@@oneaboveallferrarifan2725 Running 5+Ghz stock will not give you much room for OC and +200-300mhz are simply not worth the extra power draw. I'd rather focus on limiting power for stable 5+ghz
Thank you for all the hard work GN. Definitly a alot of hours, even days were put into making all the video reviews of the new 7000 series from AMD.
I would like to say that somehow i expected more from the new cpus. I cant really explain it what, how or why, but its just a feeling i have.
One of the new things i dont like is the "by the design" high temperatures. Maybe im old fashioned but i always like to run my cpus at low temperatures and other components too ofcourse. So now i guess we will need quite expensive cpu coolers, and that takes away all the good budget coolers we all know and of many that you did the reviews in the past.
Would like to "jump" in the future and see if like AMD says these constant high temps really dont harm the CPU over time.
Im not even gonna go about the prices of the new motherboards, DDR 5 and everythig else.
Anyway thank you as always for all the hard work.
Good advice at the end. I'm still happy with my R5 2600 and RX570. Haven't played anything yet that this setup can't handle. If I move into VR or triple monitor gaming then I'd need a rethink, but for now, it does the job.
The top end Zen 4 CPUs and X670e boards feel more like a stand-in for Threadripper than gaming-oriented machines with the gains and benefits primarily in multi-threaded workloads and high data transfer capabilities across the PCIe gen 5 lanes. Even with cheaper B650 boards, AMD will have a tough sell getting people to opt with a 7700x over just slapping a 5800X3D in their current system and calling it a day.
my brains saying.. upgrate from 5600x to 58003d and be happy 3years more :D or maby until 7700x3d will come :)
Yeah but if you’re like me and don’t have a “current system” with my 3770k and 970 there is something to be said for being a first adopter
Fork out now and know there’s x3d on the horizon, or umm and ahh for another 6-8months for the next tech drop in which people will just speculate how good the next stuff is going to be
My plan is to get a fantastic system now just deciding wether I just go “cheapest” cpu option and a very good gpu and then decide a year down the track if it’s worth getting a new gen gpu and whatever next cpu drop is
I waited this long for the new cpus, I’d prefer trying to get a new gpu too but I’m sure I’ll be happy with a previous gen mid/high tier card
I can almost see waiting for intels stuff but I’m not holding my breath unless it’s a vast improvement, but everything is gpu bound now and as I’ll be going 4K I don’t think my cpu makes a huge difference
Why not the 12900KS? It would also be nice to see the waste of sand (11900k) in all the comparatives! 😁
Good conclusion !! Great job as always !!
I appreciate the 1700 showing up on there... as I'm still running on that. Thank you. Looking to upgrade this cycle of new gens on cpus and gpus.
Wait for the b650 , buy an 8 core 7700x , and you are set for a couple of years, after that you still have a huge upgrade path...
one generation is not a big upgrade path...
@@w04h Who told you one generation?
At least 2 gens after zen 4..
@@eurocrusader1724 Because AMD is on top and they want to bank out on it. If a base 7600X system costing 800€ isn't an indication of that I don't know what is. They will push the Zen 4 X3D release date as far as possible and Zen 5 will only come out 1 and a half year later like it always had with all the other Zen releases. They may release a X3D version after that but that will be it for 2025 and for AM5. Unless they extend the support.
this just goes to show, the 5800x3d is the best cpu for gaming on average.... just wonder what the next gen x3d's cpu will be like, will it out preform the 7950x like the 5800x3d to the 5950x. i'm sticking with the 5800x3d and a 3080ti for atleast another year or 2 when the next gens comes out (8000/9000 series cpus relative to gpus)
Definitely. It bests both AMD and Intel's next gen... So much so they didn't talk about it at all during the 7000 Series Announcement.
@@white-bunny its todays broadwell. 5775c kicked 6000/7000 and in some cases 8000 i7 in gaming
While I have no interest in Zen 4 CPUs, I appreciate the effort you put in getting us this information as always. In totality, it seems like the improvements aren't large enough over Intel's 12th generation as I would've hoped and they're leaving plenty of space for the 13th gen to blow Zen 4 out of the water. Also whatever the X670 mobo manufacturers are smokin selling at these prices, I want some.
Thanks for all those tests and numbers. Must have been a LOT work to get those all done in this short amount of time.
What i wonder: So you guys test at a temperature of 21C and the cup already reaches 90+ degrees? How will they perform on a hot summer day without AC?
Keeping my 5800X3D. It's as good as a 7950X for gaming.
Faxxxxts
Would be a waste to upgrade anyways, that cpu isnt even a year old yet
Still amazed how well a 4 core i3-12100 does in these benchmarks
Don't believe most of the hype about power levels and performance, unless you're at the bleeding edge. Like you I have a 4-core but it's an APU (3200G) and it plays pretty much everything when paired with a half decent GPU, at full detail just minus RTX which I don't use anyway.
i3-12100 and R3200G quad cores are probably the most popular budget parts, they're here to stay for most of us :)
@@DailyCorvid yes. 12100 is very cheap. But just spend a little more and get 12400 and you can run it easily for 4-5 years. 12100 has 4 core, so if you have bunch of applications running in the background while gaming and streaming. Like obs, discord, browsers. The fps will suffer.
It's amazing value. If you want a 6 core CPU there is also the 12400F which is around $170. There is really no reason to spend $400+ on a CPU if all you do on your computer is gaming.
@@MistyKathrine 1000%, but people like to insist on having latest everything 24/7, obsessed with numbers and performance instead of just having fun gaming
Yeah i wonder what the 13100 will bring to the table
Ordered a 7700X yesterday to replace my 2700X and as a software developer who also play games, this is the sweet spot between too little threads on the R5 and the prices of R9s.
Awesome video Steve you guys are awesome
You know it's time to upgrade when your CPU isn't even up for comparison on the charts anymore.
My 6700K hasn't been on any cards for years now, but as long as it's fast enough for you, why not stick with it? Worst case you'll save some cash :)
It's time to upgrade when you feel like it.
What a stupid reason to upgrade omg.So that means u dont see your car in comercials that means its time to buy new one??
Honestly, the whole 7000 series has been a bit of a letdown just because the price for entry is so high. If I was in the market I'd be waiting to see what intel has to offer and if neither is compelling then grabbing whatever is on discount this black friday. I imagine the 5000 series is going to get the mega discount treatment like the 2000's did on black friday in 2019 after the 3000's launched. Picked up a R7 2700 for under $100 bucks that year.
Consider the 7000 series is the only one without a dead platform. Purchasing a 13 series makes no sense unless you already own the motherboard and everything else. The 14 series will require DDR5. The biggest issue I see is that the 7000 series is bottlenecked by the GPU limitations of the 3090 TI. It has been a long time since I have seen this issue but it has happened before. You will also need PCI 5 for the new GPU's for full saturation of the GPU. So really there is only one platform that has the ability to last a few years and is upgradable with the new incoming tech, the 7000 series.
Hey wow thanks for adding that FFXIV benchmark data. Coming from a 3000 series this probably means an upgrade for me. Can’t thank you enough! Probably will wait for the x3d version or prices to come down a bit, even if it’s just cheaper mobos, but it’s a significant performance gain I’m sure will make a difference in crowded areas.
Great video as always