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None of this is even new; those same mobo manufacturers has been auto-overvolting CPU I/O, sometimes to ludicrous levels (1.3V+), when XMP is enabled...at least since the Intel 6th gen days.
@@nomoredamnnamestouse yeah. my brother's 3rd gen Ryzen did that and even went into 1.45v once on a light load which was so screwed up. i went into the BIOS to hard lock the vCore to like 1.15v only. been peachy since
As a retired EE, over the years have watch Gamers Nexus become an excellent quality, reliability test engineering business that I as a consumer really appreciate. I'm delighted to hear that your team really enjoys the diligent effort to provide qualitative and quantitative test results - and present in a manner that well communicated. Well done!
The main critical point here is whether overclocking brings any quantifiable benefits at all, and if so then it makes sense to overclock and what use cases for
This channel is perhaps the last of its kind for this kind for hardware journalism that keeps it super real and doesn't care about offending the industry, even as the industry tries to corrupt with either money or mob tactics.
That is not fair to other sites that also have being doing it, most named by GN on this video. But of course infinite thanks to GN for this video and many others videos like this GN has been making.
Love that Steve keeps the facts as facts, and also give hypotheses, but every time points out that those are only assumptions, and not trying to cause hysteria...unlike some of the channels below.
@@GamersNexus That's awesome - I'm looking forward to it. It's really important for enthusiasts to get this information and for all of us to be able to pressure manufacturers on mistakes like this. This is great for consumers and the industry alike and we all appreciate your hard work on this
@@GamersNexus Super fun to watch this, thanks for investing the resources to publicly demonstrate the conditions and get independent confirmation of the facts. Looking forward to my GN shipment to come in, y'all earned it!
@@GamersNexus I grew up with nothing but untrustworthy newsstand media - bought and paid by their advertisers. An honest analysis is amazing; the speed, simply astounding.
GN has long set the standard for PC journalism and we, as the community, really appreciate it! Thanks for bringing us this comprehensive diagnosis, been looking forward to this for awhile!
@@CyroNux The voltage is ok now, after the last BIOS update. HWiNFO is showing 1.25 V on SOC. I took out the CPU and it looked fine. But if you can wait, then wait. I hope that they release their stable bios soon.
@@Catbusrecords If you are not buying the x3D variant of 7800X, there is nothing to worry about. And even if you are, just make sure to update to the newest bios version asap and you should be fine. My unit was running with 1.375V and survived 24h stress test and a week of normal usage with no detectable damage (visual or performance).
The best part of this video isn’t that Steve found the issues. It’s that Steve and crew are so excited to find them. Whether it’s out of pure curiosity, helping his viewers or a combination of all, it’s the passion that is so obvious from Steve and crew that keeps me watching even if I don’t understand some of it.
but keep watching , you soon absorb information from his and the GN crew all inclusive method of presentation over time as issues are explained , much starts to become familiar and understandable, that's why i have learnt much and watch this channel on every posting , I'm a low end gamer but have learnt much about motherboards and keeping in touch with CPU /GPU / MB development and issues ( big shout to early adopters who have to go through this sh1t in the name of science) although i may not be buying the generations covered but it keeps me up to date for when i do.
@@Wobbothe3rd sometimes it's just a case of time and repetition and world scale production, especially in new platform specs. these are outlier events not everybody has got them but it's an issue that overtime would affect greater numbers if this hadn't been investigated and conclusions through serious testing obtained to inform and raise awareness to AMD and the board manufacturers, hence now bioses are been changed and this problem looked into seriously for AMD to offer replacement of affected parts..
This is sublime reporting & analysis work. Thanks to everyone at GN - as a 7800X3D and a ASUS X670 Strix E-A owner, thats just about ready to start building my new rig, these are invaluable insights to what is going on. I will keep an eye out for more of your updates on this matter, as with every video - you guys are awesome!
Yeah I’m planning on building a 7800x3d system in about a month, guess I’ll have to check back and make sure it’s all safe before pulling the trigger now 😅
@@GamersNexus If I knew how to do that I would... just bought parts for my first AMD rig and it happens right as this crud happens... 😱 Guess all I can do now is wait and see what happens down the line. Hopefully it's something they can fix without mass RMA's.
@@GamersNexus THANK YOU STEVE !! This is also in time for me also,I'm helping my boy in his build,a CH X670 E. I'm a retired EE and still learn ALOT from you ! I want This Gen to,so this Frightening to discover Really ! NO EXCUSE ! Just too much voltage,and probably some WEAK silicon that can't handle that much. I don't like trowing the Dice ! AND THANKS for BEING there for LTT, when LINUS need you the MOST !
Never seen a comment section with so many donations on youtube but its very well deserved. Been following for a few years now when the lab was barely starting
Yeah, the "treasure" that just recently claimed that the motherboards were all high quality hardware, didn't catch this problem early or warn anyone about it. If you want a real Treasure go play Gunstar Heroes.
your channel is invaluable to the PC community. don't need merch but wanted to support the channel, have been watching for years and really appreciate the entire team. thank you.
This idea of buying failed hardware from people to check the issue is awesome! Outstanding job of you guys! Outstanding indeed!! Congratulations from Brazil!
How cool would it be to sell your CPU that suddenly stopped working for no reason to GN for retail price, and then get a 40 minute feature video explaining *exactly* what happened to it as a free bonus. This is great content, love it.
@@RoniiNN True, but the failure already happened, so at least be happy for that man making the best out of this issue. Had it been my system, it would just go into the trash and nothing would be gained out of it.
It's funny that GN basically has nothing whatsoever to do with gaming nowadays yet it's exactly what gamers want. I swear as the average age of gamers ticks upwards we're all increasingly interested in the hardware
I don't understand why companies like ASUS do not have a press statement ready along the lines of: "Sorry everyone there is obviously something wrong. We are investigating and will update you soon." That's all I want as a customer, open and clear communication. Not some bad move trying to hide their fault by retroactively editing the CPU support list. ASUS that's not how you get customers to trust your brand. I am curious to the excuses and future press releases that hopefully will reach us in the next few weeks. Cheers
Admitting that anything is "wrong" with a product or service is opening yourself up to a lawsuit. And that "admittance" will be used against you in court. But the fact that people will sue anyone for anything these days is more of a societal issue more than anything. It didn't used to be this way and it doesn't have to stay this way. If people would stop being dicks, companies would take on more responsibility for the products they make knowing they won't be sued out of business. Bad customers over the years/decades have made this happen.
@@Rickbearcat The problem with the "Stella Awards" (iirc,) named after the lady who sued McDonald's over the coffee being too hot when it spilt on her lap, is that the vast majority of people don't understand the lawsuit. The problem was not that the coffee was hot, that's to be expected, the problem was that it was so hot that it literally fused her vagina shut requiring surgery. But, people have been using it for decades to sue a company over anything and everything in an attempt to get some money, to be fair some of the things that those companies do are horrible enough to warrant it. It seems like we need a societal shift away from money being the most important thing to everyone, but that's a different topic for a different medium of discussion.
Stuff like this and Just dealing with Armory crate has convinced me possibly not to buy Asus next build even though their motherboards are crisp looking, their customer support for defective goods leaves much to be desired and their software is practically malware lmao.
@@Horendus123 turned on apex legends system shutdown. No image on boot up did flashback update on bios to latest version. Motherboard flashes red/orange/white. Within 1-2minute intervals. From asus motherboard manual it shows cpu/ram/gpu issue. Really shot in the dark but gonna present my case to amd support tmrw for a possible cpu/ram/4090 replacement.
Keep doing this important work, us consumers need you guys more then ever it seems! Big cudos to the entire team for doing continuesly excellent and informative content!
Donated on the store! Thank you so much for your high-quality and passionate coverage of these important technical issues. So many people would be left with dead parts and no answers if outlets like yours didn't exist.
Not just in the name of science, but in the name of consumer protection. You guys are holding these companies' feet to the fire (almost literally) on accountability to the community, and we all appreciate it.
I think it's time for you guys to build the ultimate fire hazard computer. A 7800X3D with an Asus motherboard, an NVIDIA GPU with a power adapter, a Gigabyte PSU and use an NZXT H1 riser. Edit: Oh and cram it all in a Fractal Torrent that uses the original fan hub for more potential fireworks.
yeah man 50 or so Nvidia ones WORLDWIDE had issues and that was because of users not knowing how to plug in a cable properly is totally the same as this 10/10 logic, people arent happy unless someone else joins AMD with their faults
AMD which runs on "Intel is evil where as AMD are saviours" fanboy fuel may not like that reply from a high end Tech Tuber like you Paul. They may blacklist you after this, be aware :p
In AMD's defense, this is a new socket and this is teething pain. Remember all the issues with the Ryzen 1000s when they first came out? Also I wounder if the current issue has something to do with AMD switching to pads instead of using pins on their CPUs
Thanks for putting in the effort to work all this out - I'll be taking this info onboard, hopefully it'll make sure the next lot of these machines I build keep their magic smoke inside
Steve and team, I just want to say the following: I absolutely LOVE the fact that you do this deep level of investigative journalism for the community as a whole. When issues arise, whether they're hardware issues like in this video, or PR issues. You work tirelessly to make sure that you not only get the information needed to hold *everyone* involved accountable, but you do so in a non-biased way. You then present it in a way that the most technically savvy, *as well* as the laymen can understand. You also manage to do this while also maintaining what we all love about RUclips reviewers in general: showing us the good *and* the bad of new hardware as it comes to market. I applaud you all for being not only so diligent, but also for loving the community enough to continue this way. Bravo.
Seriously impressed with the lengths you guys have gone through for this video. Very thankful to have you guys doing what you do, keep up the amazing work - we're all better off for the work you do. You guys are legends.
@@jaytee1086 30% nearly is a standard for many services, apple takes 30 in app store, Google play store takes 30, RUclips ad revenue takes 30... And so far, nobody competes with the scale and size of RUclips, something needs to run RUclips... I'm sure Gamers Nexus wouldn't mind letting people donate, have it show a super chat tag, and let RUclips take a cut for their free to use platform to continue helping run RUclips for everyone. Sure taking 30% sucks, but giving people an option to do whatever they prefer to do so, is crucial.
I really didn't feel this was a 38min video. Time passed really fast watching this. Such an interesting piece. Great work, GN! Can't wait for the follow-ups!
@@quantum5661 he had a community poll over whether to do a 45+ minute video, or multiple videos. I'm glad they've chosen to do 2 videos that altogether will be longer than 45 minutes
I purchased the GN15 Foil Shirt to fund the cause! (Destruction of High End Hardware) Seriously though, thank you GN Team for all your hard work to get this done and to get this information out to the community. Much love
A lot of talk about EXPO changing these voltages but XMP does this as well. Did it with my 7800x3d on b650e taichi. Caught it early and lowered SOC to under 1.3 and reset other voltages to auto was able to boot with the lowered voltages with ram at 6600, stable in 3dmark. I'm the end really not just EXPO, don't feel safe if using XMP, check your shit when using XMP as well
I wasn't on the market for an AMD CPU (or a Motherboard for that matter), but, as a customer, seeing that someone's looking out for us and reporting these issues is great! Thanks for the hard work!
You did an insane amount of work to explain where those problems come from. I believe I say this for the whole pc enthusiast community - we really appreciate your work.
This is the video everyone in the tech community was waiting for, and boy did it not disappoint. The fact there's even more coverage to come speaks loudly as to how bad this situation is. Excellent work GN. Can't wait to see those other videos!
this is why i still use my like 12 year old Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (so old it has a bare blue PCB) with the i5 2500k. Got it used for $40 and it has every feature i need.
Its even worse when you consider the AAA games that pushes these new hardware are also getting deeper and deeper into the crapper. No surprise PC sales has tanked 40% this year.
The micromanagement required to keep a steady pace at discovering an issue like this, that let's be honest, is rather complex, is very impressive. It's also nice to see perspectives from, even if unnamed, professionals in industries that we barely get to know anything about as an end customer to any of these products. My thanks to every single person on the GN team for persisting to share information on this issue, even after massive corporate names claim they've found the fix and that you, as a customer know that everything is okay, despite refusing give decent details, unlike this content here, which is actually informative and educational, so that everyone can move forward knowing more. So, thank you GN team!
Thanks! I have a different Asus AM5 motherboard and this kind of reporting will be my, and others in similar situation, likely only possible chance of getting a RMA should we just experience performance degradation and AMD/Asus respond appropriately. Your consumer advocacy is so very much appreciated!
I can't even imagine where we would be and what PC industry would look like without you guys in it. Thank you so much for such a great content and for going "above and beyond" all the time with your content and contribution to PC industry.
No, I think it would be more comparable to Ford. Shipping out forced induction 4 cylinder engines that have critical failures on low stress parts due to negligent engineering and an attitude of "we've been using this core engine design for 20 years, Mazda 20 years before us, there's no way we can fuck up a 40 year old platform!" @@frederickclause2694
I have been working OT for a couple weeks now and will be doing so for eternity thanks to the horrid pc part pricing. Hoping to finish my first build soon and I am SO grateful to you. I had the 7800 and the Asus in my part picker. Thank you for all you guys do!
Amazing work once again! It's so rare to find this combination of knowledge, integrity, determination, passion - and yes, thankfully also connections and resources- that you guys have! I hope you keep being our guardians while having fun for a very long time. Absolute respect!
We’re paying how much for a motherboard loaded with “features” and it’ll still turn $1300 into smoke… I hope this is a sanity check to the partners to get their houses in order
Not going to happen. They're here to make money, not do us a favor. Why wouldn't they rip you off as much as possible with pointless bloat? If it breaks quicker they get to sell you a new overpriced board. The system is working exactly as designed. This is what capitalism is.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k These days you really should be able to put in whatever ludicrous settings you want and not melt anything, the parts should be "smart" enough to just say no, the days where you could tell a CPU to melt and it promptly complies are long gone....or at least they were supposed to be. 🤣
You guys are using your own time, money, and expertise to get to the bottom of this for us, the consumer. Just wanted to let you guys know that you're definitely playing for the right team, and that this effort does not go unnoticed. Thank you to the whole team. Great job!
GamersNexus has come leaps and bounds since even I started following them. Their testing and journalism is top tier. Congrats on 15 years, and here's to the future. Thanks for all of your efforts!
This amount of customer service testing is what we need in other areas of life too. Thank you guys so much for doing all that. This really is a step into the right direction as a whole!
I haven’t even started my first build yet, still saving, but thank you guys so much for the almost one year of free education you’ve given me… including what to stay away from on numerous occasions 😂 God bless, dudes! 🖤🙏🏼
I'm in the same boat. Was just about to go all out for a full latest gen Asus ROG build (GPU, PSU, AIO, MOBO) when this bombshell dropped. I'd be using intel CPU though, so no EXPO to worry about. Then again, if ASUS' motherboards overcurrent protections are this janky, I'm starting to doubt if even XMP is safe to use. Guess I'll let it ride to the end of the year and see how things play out. Big shoutout to Steve and everyone else involved in uncovering this latest lazy money-grabbing industry fuck-up. It seems there are no short supplies of those lately
@@WarriorWithin111 Haven't heard of any, I think it was just early Z690 Hero's. If you look into the diff between the Z690 and Z790 Hero the only notable difference is 4 PCIE lanes. I went from Z690 Hero, to Z690 Formula, and now I went with the Z790-A Gaming, haven't set it up yet tho, so nothing to report yet.
@@WarriorWithin111 if you're going Intel then you didn't learn anything from this video! 🙁 It's Asus you need to stay away from, not AMD. EXPO itself is fine too. Seriously, going Intel - assuming it's not discounted - is going against your own interests, and having no upgrade path from the socket. I hope you reconsider, allow time to make you realise that there's no need for AMD to do a product recall, we're not in any danger to losing our hardware if no crazy RAM overclock is made. Even Asus seems to have managed the issue with a new BIOS, although the point stands that I don't think they can be trusted, on top of already being overpriced. 🤷🏻♂️
So much respect for the quality of your reporting. Even if, this might be an anomalous situation. The thoroughness of your investigation compels me to keep watching for follow-ups. And I'll say it one more time... Damn, you guys are good. You set the standard as far as I'm concerned.
This video brings back some old memories! We ended up calling the Compaq 386 Desktop the Compaq 386 Cook Top. Compaq was in such a rush to get the Compaq 386 platform on the market ahead of anyone else, they failed to run heavy load stress testing. Once the CPU was pushed to heavy load it got so hot the solder holding the CPU ziff socket to the motherboard melted. The solder ended up in a puddle in the bottom of the case and you could lift the ziff off the motherboard with the CPU installed. Good Job Compaq!
Videos like this are why the whole team has become so respected and trusted by the community and industry as a whole. It's always a breath of very fresh air seeing high quality testing and analysis vs the clickbait of other large or small channels. You all do amazing jobs.
You know you love a channel when you don't mind the short ad mentions. I think that's better than a 30+ sec commercial. Just briefly mention a product or sale on your site and keep it moving, I like that.
This is the most hyped I've been for a GN video in a while. I have nothing to lose here since I'm running Zen 3, but getting to see educative and info-heavy investigation happen from you guys is a godsend for enthusiasts. Thanks Steve.
@@jonathaningram8157 I did the same thing, went with a 5800x3d instead of Intel after all of the hype and Boom. I know it previous gen but still its a 3d chip.
Amazing journalism, hats off to you guys. As an owner of asus x670 tuf board with a Ryzen 7900 non-x, i too saw some discoloring on some of the contact pads on the cpu (they are a bit darker than the rest), while changing my thermal paste... I was using EXPO 1 (6000mhz) profile, and the voltages that has been set for SoC was 1.376 before the release of the latest BIOS that capped it at 1.30. i immediately disabled EXPO after seeing Derbauers video on the subject, and now i'm just using EXPO 1 with a manual SoC of 1.216. Asus first capped only the x3d chips SoC at 1.30 in the first BIOS that they've released after this f*ck up (1412), BUT, the latest BIOS 1414 now caps all 7000 series at 1.30v, which tells me that non X3D chip users are also at risk.
Had to send you lot a donation through the store for this, first for the informative and well done video and secondly because I'm shocked at the lengths and expense you'll go to investigate these things. Fantastic stuff!
This is just next-level awesome research and investigation into this issue. Absolutely tremendous work. AMD, ASUS, and the rest if the industry owes you guys a debt of gratitude for the depth of value you've brought to this issue. And they should probably be a bit embarrassed that such a catastrophic failure environment did, somehow, manage to escape every wicket of in-house testing, design review, and QA. Awesome work.
I wanted to share what I found pretty strange about this case. I have 7800x3d on MSI B650 Tomahawk motherboard. Every time I installed new BIOS(7D75v13, 7D75v161, 7D75v162) last week the strange thing occurred. Right after installing the new BIOS, when I only turned EXPO on, or just set manually 6000MT/s and left the rest on AUTO the default SoC voltages were pretty high(readings from BIOS and HWINFO with the system on). It showed: for 7D75v161=1,35v, 7D75v162=1,30v, can't remember for the previous one. A strange thing happened after I changed the SoC voltage manually for example to 1,25v, saved changes, then again entered the BIOS and set it on AUTO one more time. Then the SoC voltage was way lower and exactly 1,19v(even when it was same AUTO/default settings like 5 min ago). This might be a problem for people who leave on auto everything, thinking the newest BIOS is the way to go. Still, I have hope that you will give some examples for "safe" votlages for other settings cuz for example DRAM VPP Voltage also goes from 1,8v to 1,95v for no reason at all. For now I set manually voltages like this: SoC=1,18v, VDDQ=1,25v, VPP=1,8v, VDDIO=1,25v. I left CPU Voltages on AUTO and HWINFO shows VCORE=1,02-1,11, VDDCR_VDD=1,02-1,09, CORE_VIDs=0,97-1,12 BTW, great video. I can't remember the last time I was waiting for a video so hard:D
It's the same on my very old Asus board (x370 pro) and 1st gen Ryzen 1700x. If you set voltage offset on core, it goes lower than the setpoint - and way higher in default than it should be.
@@KyleMakeStuff it never has gone high as 1,4v and MSI were not mentioned in any burnt CPU so it is the safest option now I guess. 2 new BIOSES from MSI in last week means they are pretty fast updating them and I think new BIOS is coming to town next week so buy and be sure to check updates.
Excellent testing from the GN team, it's why I was more than happy to pick up a toolkit, modmat, the original coaster set and t-shirt over the years. I may or may not have been watching this on my newly upgraded system with a 7800X3D and an ROG X670E Hero...
Watching on the same set up. Got to love the latest bios posted has a big disclaimer that it's a beta BIOS...and that they aren't responsible for any damages. ASUS really getting egg on their face from this situation.
I also happen to have same, 7800x3d, rog x670hero and as a bonus gskill 6000 kit 1.35v. I upgraded the 1303 (non-beta) bios which also has "SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000X3D series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard." But its still allowed expo profile fine (with 1.35v). How can you monitor the SoC voltages, Ryzen master or is there better tool?
@@SimonSays- Personally I am running 1303 Bios and I just manually set my SOC to 1.15V as a test. I was originally running manual 1.2V before this whole fiasco happened but now I’m trying out stability on 1.15V. Running Teamgroup Delta 6000 CL30 (haven’t done Buildzoid timings yet though). I think manual SOC of 1.2V should be fine anyway honestly
These chips and boards are out of my budget (and use needs) but I still love keeping up with the industry, even though I haven't built a new computer in over a decade, haha
Curious why this didn't come up earlier? Didn't AMD or other's test these chips and boards out? Thanks all you do at Gamer's Nexus, great to see such important content and your suggestions for those with these products. Keep up the good and important work to help keep us all informed, even if companies would rather keep these issues out of the public discussion about their products.
The main reason might be a combination of X3D being more fragile and high SOC killing things slowly (and most were non-3D). But yes, it's a good question -- and very difficult to find that answer!
@@saricubra2867 The problem isn't bad silicon quality, it's mobo vendors (and AMD) pushing these chips as close to the redline as possible even when it's not necessary, reducing the safe margin for error to basically nothing.
(Someone from GN please reply to my question below) Thanks so much, GN! Im so glad I didn't buy an AM5 platform or an X3D CPU from day 1 and risked losing a CPU AND a motherboard or go through an RMA process (been planning on upgrading since ~2019, still on an i7-3960X & GTX1070 here). I also dodged another bullet by waiting and not buying in the early days of RTX GPUs burning up due to user error or connector defects. It's always nice to wait things out and not fall victim to what early adopters would get into, especially when everything these days costs an arm and a leg. Anyway, here's my question: Im assuming all these voltage-related issues, safety/protection measures, BIOS bugs, and pretty much any of these hardware-killing issues with the X3Ds and Asus motherboards CAN be solved just by BIOS updates? Im no electrical engineer, but some of things I heard here doesn't all sound it can be simply fixed by software (especially that "organic" stuff on the substrate). Any chance of physical defects that need to be recalled and/or having to wait for new revisions to come out? I ask this because if all of this can be software-fixed, then I would happily proceed to buy my new PC in the coming days because I've had it with waiting all these years and not being able to build something new that eases my life (it started all the way back from the bitcoin days where everything was out of stock). My slow SSD & HDD here are becoming a PITA to deal with any they're slowly dying. I don't want to wait any longer UNLESS there's a slight chance that any of these issues require a hardware-level fix. I don't live anywhere near the US or east Asia, so an RMA that takes a lifetime with costly shipping (no way they would pay for it) would kill me and kill and my business that I manage through my one and only PC if im sitting here without one to use (can't manage any of it through my phone). Also, long time follower here and I would like to support you guys but unfortunately I have no need for the new cool T-shirt or any of the other merch, but here's a super thanks instead for helping me out all these years!
What a beast of a investigation! Thank you all for the hard work you put into this, including all the people that worked with you. Just gotta love Wendall, guy is absolutely awesome no matter what hes doing imo. Keep them coming Sirs!
Oh geez now I'm paranoid with my brand new 7800x3d and gigabyte B650 Aorus Grrrrrrr. Good work on researching the issue though, and it's comforting knowing that the the issue is out there and lots of people are working on it.
You'd like to think with how expensive these motherboards have gotten that more care would be put into the product. Thanks Steve and Crew for the Indepth review/troubleshooting, so glad you all got to the bottom of this issue.
Seriously, it angers me. I'd love to build a new system but the state of motherboards is the worst it's ever been. I've never spent over $150 on a board, and I still had overclocking support (and a debug code display, haha) Today's boards are just tarted up with plastic and lights.
@@volvo09 I REALLY fucking miss when $150 was the extreme high end for motherboards. You'd get possibly everything you could ever want in an enthusiast board for that amount of cash.
This is actually extremely useful to us, thank you very much. We had a similar failure on a *stage computer* used at an esports tournament on the same CPU. we were troubleshooting and planning to send it to a lab for a check. Seeing the results and knowing whose fault it is thanks to your research both saved us time and helped us be more informed of our future pre-bulk purchase testing. We added a multitude of tests to our pre-bulk checkup to avoid these kinds of failures that might pop up on the long term. In our case, the 7800X3D failed on stage prior to a match so we were able to quickly swap it out for a backup system, but I shudder to imagine what could possibly have happened if this was gone unnoticed mid-game or between games, and caused damage to people around and/or caused a potential larger fire. Once again huge thanks from the esports industry. We follow reports like these very closely to avoid hardware failures onstage.
A note for MSi owners (especially with older BIOSes): your board automatically defaults to VSoC = VDIMM. So if your RAM kit operates at 1.35 V, your SoC voltage will also be 1.35 V when you enable EXPO. That is unnecessary. If you lower it to 1.1 V, restart the system, then set the SoC voltage back to auto, it will "magically" set itself to 1.2 V which is more than enough, in my opinion.
I’m using an X670E Ace and noticed it shows 1.35 in HWINFO but it’s actually more around 1.36-1.37 in the bios. I manually lowered the SOC voltage from Auto(AMD OVERCLOCKING) and noticed anything that was set to 1.3 or higher appeared as red in the BIOS. I then lowered it to 1.29>1.25>1.2 and at that 1.2 mark haven’t looked back. I’m going to wait it out on getting the latest BIOS, since it’s still considered BETA and being this seems a bit rushed who knows what else it may break, but since manually lowering the SOC voltage I haven’t had any issues in Cinebench, 3D Mark, and/or gaming. I also never had any issues with it being on auto either. I’ve had this board since launch with a 7950X and now with a 7800X3D. Both processors though I used a negative curve optimizer setting and disabled the integrated GPU in the BIOS.
Great... I do my first ever ground up build with this exact set up... Now I'm not even sure I should go ahead with it. Thanks for doing all the legwork to tackle the details. Excellent work and you've gained a new subscriber! Cheers.
I know, these guys are amazing. They make public all of the shit that no one would ever hear about from it being brushed under the rug. Then thousands of people would be SOL on thousands of dollars worth of builds that just randomly exploded.
I hate seeing catastrophic failures like this in the industry. However, it does make for some great content from your channel. Your deep dives into these kinds of things are awesome
Wendell's analysis of why it can fail is pro-level. "Oh yeah, here's the crazy cocktail that probably happened in the wild that's very hard to catch at the company." I might start waiting a few years after an architecture refresh before upgrading due to issues like this
The issue here wasn't because of new architecture being unstable, but rather faulty manufacturing process both in hardware and software side from multiple aspects. So, it won't matter much even if you wait for an architecture refresh before upgrading, as there might be flaws as well in it, especially with the current market trend of not doing proper quality management and asking for higher price on products while limiting production.
I usually buy the last thing on the tested and tried platform. For example, I bought the tail end of DDR3, and now a couple of years ago the tail end of DDR4. Have been working for me, with no issues at all, and I intentionally avoid the high-end sketchy stuff, tier or two lower stuff tend to be way more reliable and still perform very well. I am not even mentioning the power savings because electricity isn't exactly cheap anymore.
That Fluke 289 is a nice meter, I have one. I would suggest looking into Probe Master leads. They have sharper/thinner probes available on them. Lots of options, quality leads, and O-scope probes. Could be useful for taking reading on small components.
@@GamersNexus Glad to help. They have many adapter types and swappable tips. A few of the big electronics creators use them, how I found out about them.
Ltt is mostly light watching (opinion pieces) for the most part. GN is a more technical comprehensive methodical presentation mixed up with a lot of humour and poking fun. I come here for trustable info and Steves often dry wit ;)
Hi! What is the situation with the 7800X3D and Asus Crossfire motherboard now? Has this issue been solved with the BIOS updates? This is the exact combo I want to buy...
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It's Soo hard to believe y'all are just hitting such mark. I started watching this channel just before y'all hit 1mil. I couldn't believe u weren't at 1m!
Hope much more success comes your way because the quality of your content imo is the best.
Man that's a nice shirt, and it's definitely tempting to grab one and support GN.
... But living in Australia as I am, $50 USD / $75 AUD (shipped) for one shirt is ... Discouraging. I know the expenses must be significantly greater than for mass manufactures etc, but still ...
I wanted to upgrade to a 7800x3d from a 5900x, now I dont want to do that anymore.
That's a pretty awesome looking shirt. I sure hope the GPU's on it don't catch fire too
Sue Asus and AMD! Teach them!
It's great to know that motherboards got 10x more expensive and yet they still lack protections (bugs asside)
What do you expect when they want to add rgb to the motherboard lol
None of this is even new; those same mobo manufacturers has been auto-overvolting CPU I/O, sometimes to ludicrous levels (1.3V+), when XMP is enabled...at least since the Intel 6th gen days.
TBF they are probably counting on the bugs getting caught in the explosion
@@nomoredamnnamestouse yeah intel cracked down on them doing that in 7th or 8th gen
@@nomoredamnnamestouse yeah. my brother's 3rd gen Ryzen did that and even went into 1.45v once on a light load which was so screwed up.
i went into the BIOS to hard lock the vCore to like 1.15v only. been peachy since
Gives ROG's slogan "For Those Who Dare" a completely new meaning.
I wish I thought of this. Hahaha
@@GamersNexuscan add that to ROGROGROGROGROGROGROGROG
ROGue motherboards
Asus: we warned you
I dared this gen and I got GOT it seems. Hopefully my CPU isn't degraded too bad!! So stoked I got roped into being an Asus customer!!! 😁😁😁
De8auer really made a whole contraption to desolder cpus when he could have just put it on an Asus motherboard
Hahahaha
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@@GamersNexus based hahha
😬😬😬😬💀💀💀💀
Yes bit this tool work not so good!!!
As a retired EE, over the years have watch Gamers Nexus become an excellent quality, reliability test engineering business that I as a consumer really appreciate. I'm delighted to hear that your team really enjoys the diligent effort to provide qualitative and quantitative test results - and present in a manner that well communicated. Well done!
The main critical point here is whether overclocking brings any quantifiable benefits at all, and if so then it makes sense to overclock and what use cases for
This channel is perhaps the last of its kind for this kind for hardware journalism that keeps it super real and doesn't care about offending the industry, even as the industry tries to corrupt with either money or mob tactics.
That is not fair to other sites that also have being doing it, most named by GN on this video. But of course infinite thanks to GN for this video and many others videos like this GN has been making.
There are others out there! Just to name a few, check out Level1Techs, Der8auer, Buildzoid, and Elmor!
Love that Steve keeps the facts as facts, and also give hypotheses, but every time points out that those are only assumptions, and not trying to cause hysteria...unlike some of the channels below.
@@GamersNexus Great list, I'll add Hardware Unboxed to your short list.
Also @@GamersNexus : not afraid to mention others :)
Amazing turnaround on this - it's insane how fast you guys were able to investigate and replicate this. Even faster than with the 4090 12 pin issue
Thank you! We pushed HARD with this one. We'll have the failure analysis stuff hopefully in a few weeks, too!
@@GamersNexus That's awesome - I'm looking forward to it. It's really important for enthusiasts to get this information and for all of us to be able to pressure manufacturers on mistakes like this. This is great for consumers and the industry alike and we all appreciate your hard work on this
they had to do it quick....otherwise everyone would have forgotten
@@GamersNexus Super fun to watch this, thanks for investing the resources to publicly demonstrate the conditions and get independent confirmation of the facts. Looking forward to my GN shipment to come in, y'all earned it!
@@GamersNexus I grew up with nothing but untrustworthy newsstand media - bought and paid by their advertisers. An honest analysis is amazing; the speed, simply astounding.
GN has long set the standard for PC journalism and we, as the community, really appreciate it! Thanks for bringing us this comprehensive diagnosis, been looking forward to this for awhile!
Thank you, Lacke!
We? You don't represent me, weirdo.
Thanks! You and your team probably saved my week old 7800X3D. It was running 1.375 volts on the SOC (Asus ROG Strix X670E-F MOBO).
I have the same parts ready to go, but I’m delaying the build. I think I’m waiting for a better bios? Before doing it
@@CyroNux The voltage is ok now, after the last BIOS update. HWiNFO is showing 1.25 V on SOC. I took out the CPU and it looked fine. But if you can wait, then wait. I hope that they release their stable bios soon.
Im about to purchase the same board + the Ryzen 7 7800. Do i need to worry about board and cpu distruction?
@@Catbusrecords If you are not buying the x3D variant of 7800X, there is nothing to worry about. And even if you are, just make sure to update to the newest bios version asap and you should be fine. My unit was running with 1.375V and survived 24h stress test and a week of normal usage with no detectable damage (visual or performance).
@@LukeTheRagerdid they release a stable bios yet that is not beta?
The best part of this video isn’t that Steve found the issues. It’s that Steve and crew are so excited to find them. Whether it’s out of pure curiosity, helping his viewers or a combination of all, it’s the passion that is so obvious from Steve and crew that keeps me watching even if I don’t understand some of it.
but keep watching , you soon absorb information from his and the GN crew all inclusive method of presentation over time as issues are explained , much starts to become familiar and understandable, that's why i have learnt much and watch this channel on every posting , I'm a low end gamer but have learnt much about motherboards and keeping in touch with CPU /GPU / MB development and issues ( big shout to early adopters who have to go through this sh1t in the name of science) although i may not be buying the generations covered but it keeps me up to date for when i do.
Why didn't GN discover this in the REVIEW of the chip or the motherboard!?
@@Wobbothe3rd sometimes it's just a case of time and repetition and world scale production, especially in new platform specs. these are outlier events not everybody has got them but it's an issue that overtime would affect greater numbers if this hadn't been investigated and conclusions through serious testing obtained to inform and raise awareness to AMD and the board manufacturers, hence now bioses are been changed and this problem looked into seriously for AMD to offer replacement of affected parts..
This is sublime reporting & analysis work. Thanks to everyone at GN - as a 7800X3D and a ASUS X670 Strix E-A owner, thats just about ready to start building my new rig, these are invaluable insights to what is going on.
I will keep an eye out for more of your updates on this matter, as with every video - you guys are awesome!
Yeah I’m planning on building a 7800x3d system in about a month, guess I’ll have to check back and make sure it’s all safe before pulling the trigger now 😅
I literally just finished my 7800X3D and Gigabyte B650M build last night. Talk about timing!! GN, you guys are the best.
Enjoy your build! Keep that VSOC under control and hopefully all will be fine. Thank you so much for the support!
@@GamersNexus If I knew how to do that I would... just bought parts for my first AMD rig and it happens right as this crud happens... 😱 Guess all I can do now is wait and see what happens down the line. Hopefully it's something they can fix without mass RMA's.
I bet you go to AMD again ..... f dumb🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for keeping the community informed and taking the time to find the correct answers. Love you guys.
Thank you for the support! We really appreciate everyone's patience whenever we dig into these things!
@@GamersNexus thank you for your sacrifices 🙏 for us end users
@@GamersNexus THANK YOU STEVE !! This is also in time for me also,I'm helping my boy in his build,a CH X670 E. I'm a retired EE and still learn ALOT from you ! I want This Gen to,so this Frightening to discover Really ! NO EXCUSE ! Just too much voltage,and probably some WEAK silicon that can't handle that much. I don't like trowing the Dice !
AND THANKS for BEING there for LTT, when LINUS need you the MOST !
@@GamersNexus your work is of such high standard and you and your team works hard. Keep up the good work and dont feel rushed
Never seen a comment section with so many donations on youtube but its very well deserved. Been following for a few years now when the lab was barely starting
I know it's been expensive but I really don't want you to stop, youre a treasure to the gaming community ❤️
We'll keep going!
@@GamersNexus yes
GN’s a treasure to the *PC* community :D not even just gaming
Yeah, the "treasure" that just recently claimed that the motherboards were all high quality hardware, didn't catch this problem early or warn anyone about it.
If you want a real Treasure go play Gunstar Heroes.
Can u send money on reply to my comment ?
Just curious is it psbl
Thanks Steve (and the team)! Beer's on me, you guys have earned it!
Wow!! Thank you so much for the big donation. We'll get a team dinner with it to celebrate this content!
@@GamersNexus
Well deserved! 👍
your channel is invaluable to the PC community. don't need merch but wanted to support the channel, have been watching for years and really appreciate the entire team. thank you.
Thank you so much for the kind words and support!
@@GamersNexus Your content is very amazing and I appreciate everything you do.
This idea of buying failed hardware from people to check the issue is awesome! Outstanding job of you guys! Outstanding indeed!!
Congratulations from Brazil!
How cool would it be to sell your CPU that suddenly stopped working for no reason to GN for retail price, and then get a 40 minute feature video explaining *exactly* what happened to it as a free bonus. This is great content, love it.
Couldn't ask for better compensation than that. Probably worth the headache he had to go through. 😅
@@RoniiNN True, but the failure already happened, so at least be happy for that man making the best out of this issue. Had it been my system, it would just go into the trash and nothing would be gained out of it.
@@NothingXemnas You could probably RMA it. Surely a lot more hastle than selling it to GN and you'll never get to know what happened.
@@NothingXemnas totally, they turned it around as content
It's funny that GN basically has nothing whatsoever to do with gaming nowadays yet it's exactly what gamers want. I swear as the average age of gamers ticks upwards we're all increasingly interested in the hardware
Great analysis and no doubt something the manufacturers would just sweep under the carpet without GN.
Thank you so much for the donation, Bjorn!
"I think we see the smoke steve" and the random inserts of exploding gigabyte power supplies are some of the best tech memes.
THERE IT IS. KNEW IT WOULD BE IN HERE HAHAHAHHA. THE EXPLODING PSU!
Should've been that one Toms Hardware video
Good on them! Keep ragging on Gigabyte FOREVER about that exploding PSU because crap like this is NOT acceptable!
That meme will never get old lol
@@withmygoodeyeclosedyup lol
I don't understand why companies like ASUS do not have a press statement ready along the lines of: "Sorry everyone there is obviously something wrong. We are investigating and will update you soon." That's all I want as a customer, open and clear communication. Not some bad move trying to hide their fault by retroactively editing the CPU support list. ASUS that's not how you get customers to trust your brand. I am curious to the excuses and future press releases that hopefully will reach us in the next few weeks. Cheers
Admitting that anything is "wrong" with a product or service is opening yourself up to a lawsuit. And that "admittance" will be used against you in court. But the fact that people will sue anyone for anything these days is more of a societal issue more than anything. It didn't used to be this way and it doesn't have to stay this way. If people would stop being dicks, companies would take on more responsibility for the products they make knowing they won't be sued out of business. Bad customers over the years/decades have made this happen.
@@Rickbearcat The problem with the "Stella Awards" (iirc,) named after the lady who sued McDonald's over the coffee being too hot when it spilt on her lap, is that the vast majority of people don't understand the lawsuit. The problem was not that the coffee was hot, that's to be expected, the problem was that it was so hot that it literally fused her vagina shut requiring surgery. But, people have been using it for decades to sue a company over anything and everything in an attempt to get some money, to be fair some of the things that those companies do are horrible enough to warrant it. It seems like we need a societal shift away from money being the most important thing to everyone, but that's a different topic for a different medium of discussion.
Stuff like this and Just dealing with Armory crate has convinced me possibly not to buy Asus next build even though their motherboards are crisp looking, their customer support for defective goods leaves much to be desired and their software is practically malware lmao.
Asus these days is just a money printing brand machine
ASUS = KOREA that is why
GN once again setting the standard for tech journalism.
Yeah GN really are in a league of their own
Should have wore protection equipment... just in case it really blew up or something.
Let us all take a moment to remember the chips that heroically gave their lives for this investigation.
Pour some LN2 out for our homies?
Mine died today. If hoping Gamers Nexus is interested in a 7900x3d so I can skip all the bs AMD is gonna put me thru
@@Astelch tell us more about what happened? Full burn out? Were you using it at the time?
@@Horendus123 turned on apex legends system shutdown. No image on boot up did flashback update on bios to latest version. Motherboard flashes red/orange/white. Within 1-2minute intervals. From asus motherboard manual it shows cpu/ram/gpu issue. Really shot in the dark but gonna present my case to amd support tmrw for a possible cpu/ram/4090 replacement.
No, those motherboards got what they deserved.
Thanks for everything you do for the community!
Thank you for watching and the contribution!
Keep doing this important work, us consumers need you guys more then ever it seems! Big cudos to the entire team for doing continuesly excellent and informative content!
lol your pro pic is terrifying at worst and inspiring at best
Hehe, this was taken during my golden years as a partying metalhead. 😂
Thanks for your continued efforts to keep vendors accountable!
They all fked up big time because of their laziness!
Donated on the store! Thank you so much for your high-quality and passionate coverage of these important technical issues. So many people would be left with dead parts and no answers if outlets like yours didn't exist.
Agree and donated as well.
You guys are gem for the PC community. Thanks!
Thank you, Yael!
Not just in the name of science, but in the name of consumer protection. You guys are holding these companies' feet to the fire (almost literally) on accountability to the community, and we all appreciate it.
well said.
SCIENCE!
I think it's time for you guys to build the ultimate fire hazard computer. A 7800X3D with an Asus motherboard, an NVIDIA GPU with a power adapter, a Gigabyte PSU and use an NZXT H1 riser.
Edit: Oh and cram it all in a Fractal Torrent that uses the original fan hub for more potential fireworks.
They will get a visit from the ATF for manufacturing a destructive device without having the SOC licensing.
@@sovereigntyofvoyagers7380 Cool!
Sounds like a damn WMD 😂
yeah man 50 or so Nvidia ones WORLDWIDE had issues and that was because of users not knowing how to plug in a cable properly is totally the same as this
10/10 logic, people arent happy unless someone else joins AMD with their faults
@@Freestyle80 You're no fun.
AMD promised to support AM5 through 2025, but maybe that's just the year it will be out of beta?
Superb work as always Steve and Team 🙏
Just like games you are buying early access hardware at least you get a warning when you buy a game
Lol
AMD which runs on "Intel is evil where as AMD are saviours" fanboy fuel may not like that reply from a high end Tech Tuber like you Paul. They may blacklist you after this, be aware :p
In AMD's defense, this is a new socket and this is teething pain. Remember all the issues with the Ryzen 1000s when they first came out?
Also I wounder if the current issue has something to do with AMD switching to pads instead of using pins on their CPUs
"Great work" and now I have to update my Tech News video I was just about to post in an hour darnit....
Thanks for putting in the effort to work all this out - I'll be taking this info onboard, hopefully it'll make sure the next lot of these machines I build keep their magic smoke inside
Steve and team, I just want to say the following:
I absolutely LOVE the fact that you do this deep level of investigative journalism for the community as a whole. When issues arise, whether they're hardware issues like in this video, or PR issues. You work tirelessly to make sure that you not only get the information needed to hold *everyone* involved accountable, but you do so in a non-biased way. You then present it in a way that the most technically savvy, *as well* as the laymen can understand.
You also manage to do this while also maintaining what we all love about RUclips reviewers in general: showing us the good *and* the bad of new hardware as it comes to market. I applaud you all for being not only so diligent, but also for loving the community enough to continue this way. Bravo.
Seriously impressed with the lengths you guys have gone through for this video. Very thankful to have you guys doing what you do, keep up the amazing work - we're all better off for the work you do. You guys are legends.
Wow! Thanks for the big donation. We sincerely appreciate the support from you and the rest of the community on this.
Do you know that Google keeps 37% of your donation? ....keep feeding our masters....just sayin'
@@jaytee1086 You could have just said you are mad he donated money toward a channel he likes because you can't
@@kintsugittv2537 I'm not mad that anyone "donated"...but I am upset that google received 37% of their donation.
@@jaytee1086 30% nearly is a standard for many services, apple takes 30 in app store, Google play store takes 30, RUclips ad revenue takes 30... And so far, nobody competes with the scale and size of RUclips, something needs to run RUclips... I'm sure Gamers Nexus wouldn't mind letting people donate, have it show a super chat tag, and let RUclips take a cut for their free to use platform to continue helping run RUclips for everyone. Sure taking 30% sucks, but giving people an option to do whatever they prefer to do so, is crucial.
I really didn't feel this was a 38min video. Time passed really fast watching this. Such an interesting piece. Great work, GN! Can't wait for the follow-ups!
i saw people on the amd reddit complaining about how long GN videos are, but frankly i'd be down with these being even longer.
@@quantum5661 Honestly same
They're sO captivating and educational. I even lose my sense of time. I need to study for finals bro xD
Long? Short. I could lissen hours to this info.
@@quantum5661 he had a community poll over whether to do a 45+ minute video, or multiple videos. I'm glad they've chosen to do 2 videos that altogether will be longer than 45 minutes
a great watch...
I purchased the GN15 Foil Shirt to fund the cause! (Destruction of High End Hardware)
Seriously though, thank you GN Team for all your hard work to get this done and to get this information out to the community.
Much love
Thank you so much!!
A lot of talk about EXPO changing these voltages but XMP does this as well. Did it with my 7800x3d on b650e taichi. Caught it early and lowered SOC to under 1.3 and reset other voltages to auto was able to boot with the lowered voltages with ram at 6600, stable in 3dmark.
I'm the end really not just EXPO, don't feel safe if using XMP, check your shit when using XMP as well
I wasn't on the market for an AMD CPU (or a Motherboard for that matter), but, as a customer, seeing that someone's looking out for us and reporting these issues is great! Thanks for the hard work!
You did an insane amount of work to explain where those problems come from. I believe I say this for the whole pc enthusiast community - we really appreciate your work.
niezły cyrk z tymi płytami xd
not all heros wear capes, some have metalhead hair
This is the video everyone in the tech community was waiting for, and boy did it not disappoint. The fact there's even more coverage to come speaks loudly as to how bad this situation is.
Excellent work GN. Can't wait to see those other videos!
As someone who has been working (and partially still works) in the PC press sector: Congrats! That is well researched and executed on many levels!
Really can't be stated enough how good it is to have people like GN in the community
A motherboard with gimmicks: $700
A motherboard that actually works: Priceless
Soon: a motherboard with gimmicks that sort of works for $1400.
Well $2000 mainstream mobos already exist. So your "soon" has been around for at least a generation of cpu now.
this is why i still use my like 12 year old Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (so old it has a bare blue PCB) with the i5 2500k. Got it used for $40 and it has every feature i need.
How about the 650$ chip that was made with gimmicky *X3D VR Super Gaming* BS?!?
Its even worse when you consider the AAA games that pushes these new hardware are also getting deeper and deeper into the crapper. No surprise PC sales has tanked 40% this year.
The era of overpriced graphics cards is being replaced by the era of overpriced motherboards.
Excellent work and problem solving. At every chance, Gamers Nexus steps into the breach.
This is so well investigated and detailed I feel like it would hold up in court. Ridiculously impressive.
In their defense, CPU explosions are definitely 3D
SOC now stands for Super Octane Combustion
@@samson7294 Security Operations Center.
Lmao 😂😂😂
XD
Made me chuckle
Thanks Steve (Tech Jesus) and Gamer Nexus team for such effort!! Setting the standard in PC journalism.
The micromanagement required to keep a steady pace at discovering an issue like this, that let's be honest, is rather complex, is very impressive. It's also nice to see perspectives from, even if unnamed, professionals in industries that we barely get to know anything about as an end customer to any of these products. My thanks to every single person on the GN team for persisting to share information on this issue, even after massive corporate names claim they've found the fix and that you, as a customer know that everything is okay, despite refusing give decent details, unlike this content here, which is actually informative and educational, so that everyone can move forward knowing more. So, thank you GN team!
This is unreal testing and a great commitment to quality and the greater community. Excellent work!
Thanks! I have a different Asus AM5 motherboard and this kind of reporting will be my, and others in similar situation, likely only possible chance of getting a RMA should we just experience performance degradation and AMD/Asus respond appropriately. Your consumer advocacy is so very much appreciated!
I can't even imagine where we would be and what PC industry would look like without you guys in it. Thank you so much for such a great content and for going "above and beyond" all the time with your content and contribution to PC industry.
Probably comparable to Dell.
No, I think it would be more comparable to Ford. Shipping out forced induction 4 cylinder engines that have critical failures on low stress parts due to negligent engineering and an attitude of "we've been using this core engine design for 20 years, Mazda 20 years before us, there's no way we can fuck up a 40 year old platform!"
@@frederickclause2694
Thanks for you hard work and honesty. Many should take an example from you.
I have been working OT for a couple weeks now and will be doing so for eternity thanks to the horrid pc part pricing. Hoping to finish my first build soon and I am SO grateful to you. I had the 7800 and the Asus in my part picker. Thank you for all you guys do!
Had my 7800X3D on the shelf waiting for your review, now I can confidently setup my new system. Thanks
which mobo do you have? i bought an aorus elite ax b650m and im kinda scared lol
Amazing work once again! It's so rare to find this combination of knowledge, integrity, determination, passion - and yes, thankfully also connections and resources- that you guys have! I hope you keep being our guardians while having fun for a very long time. Absolute respect!
We're only just getting started!
We’re paying how much for a motherboard loaded with “features” and it’ll still turn $1300 into smoke… I hope this is a sanity check to the partners to get their houses in order
Not going to happen. They're here to make money, not do us a favor. Why wouldn't they rip you off as much as possible with pointless bloat? If it breaks quicker they get to sell you a new overpriced board. The system is working exactly as designed. This is what capitalism is.
It would be nicer if the boards had a few less tweakable options and ways for less knowledgeable users to screw up their systems. 🤣
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k Is that your way of saying that this is only a user created problem?
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k one of these users never even changed the voltages, my guy
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k These days you really should be able to put in whatever ludicrous settings you want and not melt anything, the parts should be "smart" enough to just say no, the days where you could tell a CPU to melt and it promptly complies are long gone....or at least they were supposed to be. 🤣
You guys are using your own time, money, and expertise to get to the bottom of this for us, the consumer. Just wanted to let you guys know that you're definitely playing for the right team, and that this effort does not go unnoticed. Thank you to the whole team. Great job!
GN videos where things blow up are my favorite kind of GN video
Great job guys. Real analysis and reporting. Happy to contribute to your hard work.
Wow! Thanks so much. That's a big boost. Contributions like that help. Thank you!
GamersNexus has come leaps and bounds since even I started following them. Their testing and journalism is top tier. Congrats on 15 years, and here's to the future. Thanks for all of your efforts!
This amount of customer service testing is what we need in other areas of life too. Thank you guys so much for doing all that. This really is a step into the right direction as a whole!
I haven’t even started my first build yet, still saving, but thank you guys so much for the almost one year of free education you’ve given me… including what to stay away from on numerous occasions 😂 God bless, dudes! 🖤🙏🏼
I'm in the same boat. Was just about to go all out for a full latest gen Asus ROG build (GPU, PSU, AIO, MOBO) when this bombshell dropped. I'd be using intel CPU though, so no EXPO to worry about. Then again, if ASUS' motherboards overcurrent protections are this janky, I'm starting to doubt if even XMP is safe to use. Guess I'll let it ride to the end of the year and see how things play out. Big shoutout to Steve and everyone else involved in uncovering this latest lazy money-grabbing industry fuck-up. It seems there are no short supplies of those lately
@@WarriorWithin111 Something funky is happening at ASUS.
Also see the recent Z690 Hero and Formula issues.
@@Lem_On_Lime Do you know if Z790 Hero has the same issues? I'm eyeing it, but for now I'm holding my money because of this
@@WarriorWithin111 Haven't heard of any, I think it was just early Z690 Hero's.
If you look into the diff between the Z690 and Z790 Hero the only notable difference is 4 PCIE lanes.
I went from Z690 Hero, to Z690 Formula, and now I went with the Z790-A Gaming, haven't set it up yet tho, so nothing to report yet.
@@WarriorWithin111 if you're going Intel then you didn't learn anything from this video! 🙁 It's Asus you need to stay away from, not AMD. EXPO itself is fine too. Seriously, going Intel - assuming it's not discounted - is going against your own interests, and having no upgrade path from the socket. I hope you reconsider, allow time to make you realise that there's no need for AMD to do a product recall, we're not in any danger to losing our hardware if no crazy RAM overclock is made. Even Asus seems to have managed the issue with a new BIOS, although the point stands that I don't think they can be trusted, on top of already being overpriced. 🤷🏻♂️
So much respect for the quality of your reporting. Even if, this might be an anomalous situation. The thoroughness of your investigation compels me to keep watching for follow-ups. And I'll say it one more time... Damn, you guys are good. You set the standard as far as I'm concerned.
Nobody else does research and investigation on this level. Amazing!
This video brings back some old memories! We ended up calling the Compaq 386 Desktop the Compaq 386 Cook Top. Compaq was in such a rush to get the Compaq 386 platform on the market ahead of anyone else, they failed to run heavy load stress testing. Once the CPU was pushed to heavy load it got so hot the solder holding the CPU ziff socket to the motherboard melted. The solder ended up in a puddle in the bottom of the case and you could lift the ziff off the motherboard with the CPU installed. Good Job Compaq!
I've been patiently waiting for this video. Very interested in the results! Thanks for the dedication guys. Keep it up
Videos like this are why the whole team has become so respected and trusted by the community and industry as a whole. It's always a breath of very fresh air seeing high quality testing and analysis vs the clickbait of other large or small channels. You all do amazing jobs.
I would have gotten one of these setups if I were building a PC last month.
You know you love a channel when you don't mind the short ad mentions. I think that's better than a 30+ sec commercial. Just briefly mention a product or sale on your site and keep it moving, I like that.
As always, great work! Keep it up.
You never fail to amaze me when it comes to your dedication and tenacity. Thank you!!
This is the most hyped I've been for a GN video in a while. I have nothing to lose here since I'm running Zen 3, but getting to see educative and info-heavy investigation happen from you guys is a godsend for enthusiasts. Thanks Steve.
I decided to switch to AMD for the first time and that happens…
@@jonathaningram8157 I did the same thing, went with a 5800x3d instead of Intel after all of the hype and Boom. I know it previous gen but still its a 3d chip.
As a 5600G user I'm just holding on for the RDNA 2/3 desktop APU launches whenever that may be...
Amazing journalism, hats off to you guys. As an owner of asus x670 tuf board with a Ryzen 7900 non-x, i too saw some discoloring on some of the contact pads on the cpu (they are a bit darker than the rest), while changing my thermal paste... I was using EXPO 1 (6000mhz) profile, and the voltages that has been set for SoC was 1.376 before the release of the latest BIOS that capped it at 1.30. i immediately disabled EXPO after seeing Derbauers video on the subject, and now i'm just using EXPO 1 with a manual SoC of 1.216.
Asus first capped only the x3d chips SoC at 1.30 in the first BIOS that they've released after this f*ck up (1412), BUT, the latest BIOS 1414 now caps all 7000 series at 1.30v, which tells me that non X3D chip users are also at risk.
Keep up the great work! We all appreciate it.
Had to send you lot a donation through the store for this, first for the informative and well done video and secondly because I'm shocked at the lengths and expense you'll go to investigate these things. Fantastic stuff!
Thank you for the donation!
This is just next-level awesome research and investigation into this issue. Absolutely tremendous work. AMD, ASUS, and the rest if the industry owes you guys a debt of gratitude for the depth of value you've brought to this issue. And they should probably be a bit embarrassed that such a catastrophic failure environment did, somehow, manage to escape every wicket of in-house testing, design review, and QA. Awesome work.
Such an in depth analysis of the problem! 🤯 The amount of work you put into this is amazing!
I wanted to share what I found pretty strange about this case. I have 7800x3d on MSI B650 Tomahawk motherboard. Every time I installed new BIOS(7D75v13, 7D75v161, 7D75v162) last week the strange thing occurred. Right after installing the new BIOS, when I only turned EXPO on, or just set manually 6000MT/s and left the rest on AUTO the default SoC voltages were pretty high(readings from BIOS and HWINFO with the system on). It showed: for 7D75v161=1,35v, 7D75v162=1,30v, can't remember for the previous one. A strange thing happened after I changed the SoC voltage manually for example to 1,25v, saved changes, then again entered the BIOS and set it on AUTO one more time. Then the SoC voltage was way lower and exactly 1,19v(even when it was same AUTO/default settings like 5 min ago). This might be a problem for people who leave on auto everything, thinking the newest BIOS is the way to go.
Still, I have hope that you will give some examples for "safe" votlages for other settings cuz for example DRAM VPP Voltage also goes from 1,8v to 1,95v for no reason at all.
For now I set manually voltages like this: SoC=1,18v, VDDQ=1,25v, VPP=1,8v, VDDIO=1,25v. I left CPU Voltages on AUTO and HWINFO shows VCORE=1,02-1,11, VDDCR_VDD=1,02-1,09, CORE_VIDs=0,97-1,12
BTW, great video. I can't remember the last time I was waiting for a video so hard:D
should I hold off on buying this board?
It's the same on my very old Asus board (x370 pro) and 1st gen Ryzen 1700x. If you set voltage offset on core, it goes lower than the setpoint - and way higher in default than it should be.
@@KyleMakeStuff it never has gone high as 1,4v and MSI were not mentioned in any burnt CPU so it is the safest option now I guess. 2 new BIOSES from MSI in last week means they are pretty fast updating them and I think new BIOS is coming to town next week so buy and be sure to check updates.
@@Omni-Wan_Kenobi at this point I’m just gonna wait to buy a motherboard until it’s completely resolved. I appreciate the info though
@@KyleMakeStuff if you are not in hurry it is the smartest move
Excellent testing from the GN team, it's why I was more than happy to pick up a toolkit, modmat, the original coaster set and t-shirt over the years. I may or may not have been watching this on my newly upgraded system with a 7800X3D and an ROG X670E Hero...
Wow! Thanks for the direct support! Definitely update that BIOS!
Watching on the same set up. Got to love the latest bios posted has a big disclaimer that it's a beta BIOS...and that they aren't responsible for any damages. ASUS really getting egg on their face from this situation.
I too like to live dangerously. *Glances over at 7950x3d + ROG X670e Strix.* I am running the latest bios though. 🤞
I also happen to have same, 7800x3d, rog x670hero and as a bonus gskill 6000 kit 1.35v. I upgraded the 1303 (non-beta) bios which also has "SoC voltage for Ryzen 7000X3D series limited to a maximum of 1.30V to protect the CPU and motherboard." But its still allowed expo profile fine (with 1.35v). How can you monitor the SoC voltages, Ryzen master or is there better tool?
@@SimonSays- Personally I am running 1303 Bios and I just manually set my SOC to 1.15V as a test. I was originally running manual 1.2V before this whole fiasco happened but now I’m trying out stability on 1.15V. Running Teamgroup Delta 6000 CL30 (haven’t done Buildzoid timings yet though). I think manual SOC of 1.2V should be fine anyway honestly
Thx for your hard work. Best tech channel 🙂 Greetings from Germany!
Good job gamers nexus and to the team suporting it. This really helps not only the consumer but also the products. Your work is beyond legendary.
Thank you to the whole team that worked hard on this project
Thanks! I understood less than half of this, but this is still amazing.
These chips and boards are out of my budget (and use needs) but I still love keeping up with the industry, even though I haven't built a new computer in over a decade, haha
This is why we need you guys in the world
Curious why this didn't come up earlier? Didn't AMD or other's test these chips and boards out? Thanks all you do at Gamer's Nexus, great to see such important content and your suggestions for those with these products. Keep up the good and important work to help keep us all informed, even if companies would rather keep these issues out of the public discussion about their products.
The main reason might be a combination of X3D being more fragile and high SOC killing things slowly (and most were non-3D). But yes, it's a good question -- and very difficult to find that answer!
@@GamersNexus Why the sillicon quality is so bad?
@@saricubra2867 The problem isn't bad silicon quality, it's mobo vendors (and AMD) pushing these chips as close to the redline as possible even when it's not necessary, reducing the safe margin for error to basically nothing.
Early access hardware yikes
@@NightKev Free disassembly
(Someone from GN please reply to my question below)
Thanks so much, GN! Im so glad I didn't buy an AM5 platform or an X3D CPU from day 1 and risked losing a CPU AND a motherboard or go through an RMA process (been planning on upgrading since ~2019, still on an i7-3960X & GTX1070 here). I also dodged another bullet by waiting and not buying in the early days of RTX GPUs burning up due to user error or connector defects. It's always nice to wait things out and not fall victim to what early adopters would get into, especially when everything these days costs an arm and a leg.
Anyway, here's my question:
Im assuming all these voltage-related issues, safety/protection measures, BIOS bugs, and pretty much any of these hardware-killing issues with the X3Ds and Asus motherboards CAN be solved just by BIOS updates? Im no electrical engineer, but some of things I heard here doesn't all sound it can be simply fixed by software (especially that "organic" stuff on the substrate). Any chance of physical defects that need to be recalled and/or having to wait for new revisions to come out? I ask this because if all of this can be software-fixed, then I would happily proceed to buy my new PC in the coming days because I've had it with waiting all these years and not being able to build something new that eases my life (it started all the way back from the bitcoin days where everything was out of stock). My slow SSD & HDD here are becoming a PITA to deal with any they're slowly dying. I don't want to wait any longer UNLESS there's a slight chance that any of these issues require a hardware-level fix. I don't live anywhere near the US or east Asia, so an RMA that takes a lifetime with costly shipping (no way they would pay for it) would kill me and kill and my business that I manage through my one and only PC if im sitting here without one to use (can't manage any of it through my phone).
Also, long time follower here and I would like to support you guys but unfortunately I have no need for the new cool T-shirt or any of the other merch, but here's a super thanks instead for helping me out all these years!
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus That's a lot of money o/
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هلا هلا يا سعودي 🇸🇦
What a beast of a investigation! Thank you all for the hard work you put into this, including all the people that worked with you. Just gotta love Wendall, guy is absolutely awesome no matter what hes doing imo. Keep them coming Sirs!
Oh geez now I'm paranoid with my brand new 7800x3d and gigabyte B650 Aorus Grrrrrrr. Good work on researching the issue though, and it's comforting knowing that the the issue is out there and lots of people are working on it.
I ordered r7 7800 x3d with auros b650m elite ax did you had any issues yet and did you flash the bios ?
You'd like to think with how expensive these motherboards have gotten that more care would be put into the product. Thanks Steve and Crew for the Indepth review/troubleshooting, so glad you all got to the bottom of this issue.
Seriously, it angers me. I'd love to build a new system but the state of motherboards is the worst it's ever been.
I've never spent over $150 on a board, and I still had overclocking support (and a debug code display, haha)
Today's boards are just tarted up with plastic and lights.
Maximum profit for minimum effort, never underestimate big brand names willingness to cut corners in the stupidest ways
@@volvo09 I REALLY fucking miss when $150 was the extreme high end for motherboards. You'd get possibly everything you could ever want in an enthusiast board for that amount of cash.
This is actually extremely useful to us, thank you very much. We had a similar failure on a *stage computer* used at an esports tournament on the same CPU. we were troubleshooting and planning to send it to a lab for a check.
Seeing the results and knowing whose fault it is thanks to your research both saved us time and helped us be more informed of our future pre-bulk purchase testing. We added a multitude of tests to our pre-bulk checkup to avoid these kinds of failures that might pop up on the long term.
In our case, the 7800X3D failed on stage prior to a match so we were able to quickly swap it out for a backup system, but I shudder to imagine what could possibly have happened if this was gone unnoticed mid-game or between games, and caused damage to people around and/or caused a potential larger fire.
Once again huge thanks from the esports industry. We follow reports like these very closely to avoid hardware failures onstage.
A note for MSi owners (especially with older BIOSes): your board automatically defaults to VSoC = VDIMM. So if your RAM kit operates at 1.35 V, your SoC voltage will also be 1.35 V when you enable EXPO. That is unnecessary. If you lower it to 1.1 V, restart the system, then set the SoC voltage back to auto, it will "magically" set itself to 1.2 V which is more than enough, in my opinion.
I’m using an X670E Ace and noticed it shows 1.35 in HWINFO but it’s actually more around 1.36-1.37 in the bios. I manually lowered the SOC voltage from Auto(AMD OVERCLOCKING) and noticed anything that was set to 1.3 or higher appeared as red in the BIOS. I then lowered it to 1.29>1.25>1.2 and at that 1.2 mark haven’t looked back. I’m going to wait it out on getting the latest BIOS, since it’s still considered BETA and being this seems a bit rushed who knows what else it may break, but since manually lowering the SOC voltage I haven’t had any issues in Cinebench, 3D Mark, and/or gaming. I also never had any issues with it being on auto either. I’ve had this board since launch with a 7950X and now with a 7800X3D. Both processors though I used a negative curve optimizer setting and disabled the integrated GPU in the BIOS.
Great... I do my first ever ground up build with this exact set up... Now I'm not even sure I should go ahead with it. Thanks for doing all the legwork to tackle the details. Excellent work and you've gained a new subscriber! Cheers.
Just wait a few weeks for updates to roll out. Make updating the bios the first thing you do after first boot.
Another excellent deep dive. Don't ever stop, Tech Jesus and GN Crew. We love you guys.
Another home run from Steve and the team! Thanks!
You guys are amazing for the detail you all go into with investigations.
I know, these guys are amazing. They make public all of the shit that no one would ever hear about from it being brushed under the rug. Then thousands of people would be SOL on thousands of dollars worth of builds that just randomly exploded.
I hate seeing catastrophic failures like this in the industry. However, it does make for some great content from your channel. Your deep dives into these kinds of things are awesome
Wendell's analysis of why it can fail is pro-level. "Oh yeah, here's the crazy cocktail that probably happened in the wild that's very hard to catch at the company." I might start waiting a few years after an architecture refresh before upgrading due to issues like this
At the prices vendors are asking for these components I think few people can really afford to NOT wait
The issue here wasn't because of new architecture being unstable, but rather faulty manufacturing process both in hardware and software side from multiple aspects. So, it won't matter much even if you wait for an architecture refresh before upgrading, as there might be flaws as well in it, especially with the current market trend of not doing proper quality management and asking for higher price on products while limiting production.
I usually buy the last thing on the tested and tried platform. For example, I bought the tail end of DDR3, and now a couple of years ago the tail end of DDR4. Have been working for me, with no issues at all, and I intentionally avoid the high-end sketchy stuff, tier or two lower stuff tend to be way more reliable and still perform very well. I am not even mentioning the power savings because electricity isn't exactly cheap anymore.
That Fluke 289 is a nice meter, I have one. I would suggest looking into Probe Master leads. They have sharper/thinner probes available on them. Lots of options, quality leads, and O-scope probes.
Could be useful for taking reading on small components.
Really helpful! Will check them out. Thank you!
@@GamersNexus Glad to help. They have many adapter types and swappable tips.
A few of the big electronics creators use them, how I found out about them.
I hadn’t watched your content before- I was an LTT guy. But this video makes me want to watch more. Great video!
You want to watch LTT for light-hearted entertainment and GN for industry deep dives. Different kinds of content, love both!
Ltt is mostly light watching (opinion pieces) for the most part. GN is a more technical comprehensive methodical presentation mixed up with a lot of humour and poking fun. I come here for trustable info and Steves often dry wit ;)
LLT tries to sell me underwear and dildos from his huge Chinese factory. No thanks. I want tech news not a backpack.
Hi! What is the situation with the 7800X3D and Asus Crossfire motherboard now? Has this issue been solved with the BIOS updates? This is the exact combo I want to buy...
Get an MSI Tomahawk instead lol. That's what I got