I LOVE the price per frame breakdown with the percent graphs. This is such an effective way to compare the cards, and I hope that this will show up in future videos!
For anyone curious about the power draw, at idle my 7900 XTX is down to 9w - 15w at desktop. They've fixed the power draw in a recent driver update. I've heard many other people say that their multi monitor/multiple refresh rate monitors are also much lower than when it launched.
is there anything else that has changed, or is this video still acurate? i wanna build a new pc for high refresh rate 1440p gaming and some light work, but not sure if i wanna spend 2,000 + new monitors right now
This is super encouraging for the 7600 and 7700 cards. RT I imagine is less important for us mid range buyers and the later release dates will hopefully come with improved drivers especially for idle power and improved AV1 support in OBS and hopefully soon for Twitch and YT.
We already knew it wasn't gunna compete with the 4090. We also knew it would lose when it came to productivity and ray tracing. Even after all that it's actually surprising how good amd did. 4k is competitive and 1080p and 1440p performance is crazy. Good fight for the real ones.
ahh yes productivity and ray tracing, both measurements that I can live my whole life without. however, it's not all AMD fanboying just yet. They have to fix those power draw numbers
@@samgoff5289 You can activate them on both AMD and Nvidia, so its fair in the end. 99% of System where these cards go into support this feature and should enable it.
1:52 Bro, those frame time graphs are crazy, I can't believe you're ignoring them That's like a difference of going from 60 to 100 in terms of game feel
this is the reason why i'm considering a 7900xtx, i'm having issues with micros stutters on my 4070ti, seems to be an nvidia driver issue with display stream compresion.
very compelling. great review. hopefully AMD can fix that idle power consumption soon. I'd love to see what this can do undervolted / power limited as well.
Don't know if it'll ever be fully on par with monolithic designs, Ryzen still has somewhat higher idle consumption all the way to 5000 series due to chiplet design & IO die, haven't seen the number for 7000 series.
@@deviouslaw yes the infinity fabric becomes unstable at lower power. This has been the problem all along and if it was fixable they would of never allowed this to be released with idle power at 100 watts??? It’s insane basically makes these cards worthless. I think now looking back at the Radeon presentation video for the 7900 Lisa’s face did look like someone just ran over her dog… She did not look super happy are enthusiastic… and the fact they spent more time taking about the display port instead of the performance… yeah AMD fucked up big time.
9:03 it won't be for much long though. Blender is adding support for HIP-RT in the next version. Finally an Optix competitor. It would be nice to show how 7900 XTX is performing against CUDA.
1k for something in striking range of a 2k nvidia card is pretty good value, only argument i can make against it is if you have a lot of time based work load and need every second you can get
IMO even with the bigger power draw, the 7900 XTX is still the clear better alternative for gaming over the 4080 (unless you care about RT). Looks like the power draw issue is fixed now + you can just undervolt. Even if the price was equal, I'd still lean towards the 7900 XTX, cuz NVIDIA skimping on VRAM for a 1440p - 4k card is kinda omegalul
@@patuel1it's not because of that. It's a bug that AMD is already looking at. 100w at idle doesn't have anything to do with process node, it's too much.
On the contrary, to me, the Blender results seems promising. If 7090 HIP is as fast as 3080 OptiX, when OptiX-equivalent for AMD comes with Blender 3.5, it will beat 3080.
Idk why every tester just doesn't enable SAM. As its a legit free performance, for enabling a setting in bios. its like enabling XMP, mostly everyone does it. Though I will say, even with free performance being left off the table for AMD. Their card still did really well. I can't wait to use my 7800XT, just by seeing the 7900XTX.
I hope we get follow up videos with sam & OC enabled with both ddr4 and ddr5, especially for comp games where 1% fps matters. anyways, well done as always OT! definitely the best at making clean, honest & consistent reviews 💯
1% fps DONT matter in games, being good matters more than anything else. if you suck at 1000fps, you still suck, if youre great and only have 10fps, you'll still spank the guy that sucks at 1000fps
Goodness. although AMDs flagship still loses from Nvidias flagship, just showing how far they have come. I hope they still keep the pricing when they are finally on par or beating the competition.
@@projekt84 Loses to 4090 and loses to 4080. You get that 200$ in power savings eventually. Longer you go you save more money. During all these years you will enjoy your RAY TRACING and better reliable driver releases. Oh my god AMD got their ass whooped.
@@Underground.Rabbit Amd drivers are literally better than Nvidia ones right now. Its not 2019. Plus the 6900xt gained 10-15% performance in driver updates and there's no reason to believe 7900xtx won't.
@@Underground.Rabbit assuming you use RTX. Also driver stability is debatable. I had as many crashes on AMD as with Nvidia. Also for developers who need to use Linux AMD is preferred (Nvidia works but has quirks)
For me that extra 8GB of VRAM is a game changer. XTX is gonna be better for my workload. It was either the 7900 xtx or one of their pro workstation cards. I don't think I need 32GB of ECC VRAM though (the next step up). The workstation cards are also way more expensive, but for a good reason. I'm upgrading from the RTX 2070 so I'm just stoked for roughly double my performance with plenty of VRAM headroom for blender. For me being able to load more into a scene is more important than rendering the scene quickly. I'm already running into VRAM constraints a lot on this 2070.
Optimum Tech, given the bigger power draw, can you recommend this card in place of the RTX 4080 from your recent "ITX Perfection - Tiniest 4080 PC" video? Or perhaps, suggest some changes in parts to accommodate 7900 XTX into the T1 case?
Bought an RX 6600 XT for $250 on Black Friday. I'm more than happy with the performance and it competes well with the 3060. Can't wait to see what the RX 7600 XT is like
H.264 has definitely improved compared to the previous, maybe tickering with settings and better software optimization like. Nvidia just received will assist in that. There's some hope with OBS 29, as it's expected to support AV1 fully and the new encoders from Nvidia, Intel and AMD. once it's out of beta. AMD can also optimize its encoding stacks with drivers as well.
I think it's early driver teething issues. They all use US as their beta testers. By the end of 2nd qtr. next year I am sure it will perform better. I can see why the delay in releasing the card. I guess AMD will be hiring even more driver developers to catch up with Nvidia. Hardware wise they are close the just need drivers to exploit the hardware better under windows. I wonder what the Linux performance is like? Well we will know soon LevelOne techs will go thru all of it.
Was thinking of going for the new 4080 super but for an itx build I might consider going for this one, because I don’t I’ll be able to buy the new 4080 due to bots but we’ll see if I get lucky, and good luck to those that are going for it too
after being a nvidia fan for over 15 years their prices are out of control really would have loved to buy the ASUS strix 4080 not for no 1200 dolars its not worth it, so i am reconsidering buying a 7900 xtx seems promising and i play older titles mostly ATS
Team green is way ahead of competition, world always brace underdogs . I don't think anyone thinking spend 1000+$ on performance device will calculate $ to prame rate ratio.
Easy fix for it. Its the refresh rate. I have two, 32" 1440p 165hz monitors. On idle my 7900xtx was pulling 100w. I changed my refresh to 100hz, my card pulls 30w. Its because it forces the vram to be at full clockspeed instead of an idle speed. 165hz, vram is 2500, at 100hz, vram caps around 40. Its a weird quirk, and hopefully is fixed on a driver level soon, but for now, its a pretty easy fix. Then I just turn my gaming screen back to 165 for gaming and all is well. This is an easy fix to implement, and I'm sure it'll be out on the next drive update.
I don't want to support nvidia anymore, but I really like raytracing in games. Hopefully my next upgrade in one or two generations will have an AMD card with great raytracing performance.
Thanks for showing me this vid I was thinking about buying one due to the average being slightly different and the price but the power consumption is just insane.
Something VERY important to take into consideration when talking price. The RX 7900 XTX has a lot higher power consumption. Already after one year, the price difference is minimal between the RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 SUPER. After two years, the RTX 4080 SUPER is the more cheap card. So take that into consideration when thinking of what to buy.
How do the two compare now? The 4080 Super and 7900 XTX are the same price, on rasterization you get a bit more out of the XTX but feature wise you get more from the RTX
Heavily depends on the user. Heavy raytracing workloads aren't anywhere near common enough for it to be worth the cost for me, and I care more about rasterization rather than DLSS or FSR.
As Linus tech tips becomes more clickbaity and insufferable, optimum steps up to be the best, highest quality PC tech RUclipsr. Excellent video as always
I don't know why anyone would compare the 7900XTX to the 4090. They are no where near the same ballpark price. If the 4080 and 7900XTX were the same price as they are in Australia you would just get the 4080 IMO because of extra Ray Tracing performance. The problem for both of those cards though is the 7900XT is only $1250 now which is $450 cheaper than both the 4080 and the 7900XTX. No one should be considering either of these 2 shitty cards in Australia. The 3080 RRP in Australia was $1170, so the 7900XT is getting close to that price now. Plus it comes with The Last of Us Part 1 remake.
Its included so you can see the performance differences. Some people might want the RT performance of a 4090 and go with it instead of a 7900xtx, others, the opposite.
So under the line there is nothing won going for AMD at this price point. Factor in the high Idle-Power Consumption and the Content-Creation aspect, you better of buying NVIDIA again. I don't like this but nothing about the 7900 XTX is good for it's price point. It's just the cheaper next-gen alternative for less performance/features. So there is nothing won here. I really wanted to buy this card. Now I'm unsure.
Imo having SAM enabled would only be fair. If Nvidia had it on driver level everyone would run it. Seems like fair game imo. Would rather want to see the highest possible performance. Maybe that's just me tho 😊 Regardless, good video as always!
Here in The Netherlands (at this moment) the 4070ti and 7900xtx cost the same. What is the best card to go for? I've always had a Nvidia card, So is it worth it to go team red?
it most likely would. judging by previous generations performance uplift, you would expect to see the 7900xtx to perform 5-10% better in games. even up to 15%
AMD just fix your drivers for the love of god and im buying a 7900xtx, i dont want random crashing and having to tweak almost every single game in order for it to run right...
Current cheapest available prices to me 7900XTX is 100€ cheaper than a 4080. The best thing to say about 7900XTX is that it matches 4080 rasterization performance at 100€ less, but that's where the positives end. (even) worse power consumption, poor support in many production workloads, completely outclassed with raytracing enabled, AMD features < nVidia features... it's not even a competition. AMD needs to do more than offer a minor price to performance advantage in raster performance with all the other deficits to become an appealing option. The one value unicorn I see AMD has available to me right now is 679€ 6950XT vs 899€ 4070ti, that would actually be very appealing if I didn't need an nVidia GPU for my workloads. Frankly my current most attractive GPU upgrade is a used 3090, being the cheapest 24GB nvidia card available.
Less than a week ago the 7900 XTX was 800$ with Starfield premium included. That's 400$ less than 4080 plus a 100$ game, in other words insane value. If you are only going to play videogames then it's a no brainer. Plus Pytorch support for AMD cards is being more friendly every day it passes, open source folks are working everyday on optimizing these cards to run AI models and machine learning. If in the near future AMD cards are as good with AI as Nvidia and they release a 7950 XT with 32GB of VRAM I'm all in.
@@KeiGGR My currently available prices have changed a little more in 7900XTX's favor. Now the cheapest 7900XTX is ~1050€ where the cheapest 4080 is 1210€. Little better, still questionable if raytracing performance is of any importance. And just feature advantage in general. It seems like AMD is always a lot cheaper in muricas, but at this delta _I'm_ seeing I would still lean towards nvidia if only for the sake of its features. CUDA is still one heck of a trump card across a variety of production workloads. Even if you only play videogames DLSS 3 and frame generation is something worth considering, heck, even things like nvidia broadcast's superior noise reduction add value, and if you're streaming to twitch, nvenc might interest you since it doesn't look like twitch is going to support AV1 anytime soon if ever. Also AI. Maybe better support in the future isn't something I'm brave enough to bet on. If someone tells me they want an expensive GPU just to play games, they will never enable raytracing and they don't care about any of the nvidia features, 7900XTX is the easy choice - it is cheaper after all. I still wouldn't consider it an option for myself at these prices.
@@SaltyMaudamd gpus are for people who either don't care about raytracing or play light ray tracing games atm, and ur a little outdated, recently amd announced their frame generation who btw works on most radeon and nvidia gpus, not only their latest series, and also hyper rx which will give frame generation with upscaling on any game, with a little bit less quality than fsr
AMD's streaming performance with AV1 looks like its got some kind of sharpening effect compared to Nvidias. Its pretty noticeable around UI elements and areas of high contrast.
i can buy two 7900xtx for less than price of 4090
That’s why I bought my TaiChi Rx7900XTX and I loved it
no
@@buff9267 womp womp
4090 is the most powerful gpu out rn, so...
@@Codyslx ya so charge people any amount for it.
I LOVE the price per frame breakdown with the percent graphs. This is such an effective way to compare the cards, and I hope that this will show up in future videos!
It's been the hallmark of HardwareUnboxed channel, this.
New here?
Yes, it's the only thing that really matters in the end. I don't care if the card is fast, I want to know how much I get for my money.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Not really. It's even more important to see if the fps are consistent.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Price to performance does not matter in the high end. It’s literally about which is the fastest best product.
For anyone curious about the power draw, at idle my 7900 XTX is down to 9w - 15w at desktop. They've fixed the power draw in a recent driver update. I've heard many other people say that their multi monitor/multiple refresh rate monitors are also much lower than when it launched.
Thanks man
Thank you for update 😊
Is that reference or what type of card?
@@righteousone8454 XFX Merc
is there anything else that has changed, or is this video still acurate? i wanna build a new pc for high refresh rate 1440p gaming and some light work, but not sure if i wanna spend 2,000 + new monitors right now
good to know, been looking at going all in with a new build
This is super encouraging for the 7600 and 7700 cards. RT I imagine is less important for us mid range buyers and the later release dates will hopefully come with improved drivers especially for idle power and improved AV1 support in OBS and hopefully soon for Twitch and YT.
True, $530 3090 performance I’m thinking right
I see youre an amd shill praising them whenever they fart. Nvidia is just beteer this year stol coping lil bro
@@FIVESTRZ 400$
and at 150W
@@GewelReal very optimistic
@@adamek9750 gotta start somewhere
We already knew it wasn't gunna compete with the 4090. We also knew it would lose when it came to productivity and ray tracing. Even after all that it's actually surprising how good amd did. 4k is competitive and 1080p and 1440p performance is crazy. Good fight for the real ones.
This looks like copium but yeah its actually pretty good
ahh yes productivity and ray tracing, both measurements that I can live my whole life without.
however, it's not all AMD fanboying just yet. They have to fix those power draw numbers
@@iloveorganicchem6921 definitely pure copium
"We already knew"
*Shows fake charts comparing 7900XTX being 95% of 4090 performance based on AMD's numbers*
@@mag3slay4what? Go watch the presentation again.
I reckon enabling SAM/PCIe rebar for both is better given XMP is being enabled which is already not out of the box defaults.
Yeah I find the disabling of SAM/rebar truly puzzling from an otherwise tech savvy guy
yea
I prefer to see what the card can do...not how many outliers rebar can create in the benchmarks
SAM or Resizable BAR should be activated on every GPU/CPU combo nowadays...
@@samgoff5289 You can activate them on both AMD and Nvidia, so its fair in the end. 99% of System where these cards go into support this feature and should enable it.
1:52 Bro, those frame time graphs are crazy, I can't believe you're ignoring them
That's like a difference of going from 60 to 100 in terms of game feel
this is the reason why i'm considering a 7900xtx, i'm having issues with micros stutters on my 4070ti, seems to be an nvidia driver issue with display stream compresion.
very compelling. great review. hopefully AMD can fix that idle power consumption soon. I'd love to see what this can do undervolted / power limited as well.
Don't know if it'll ever be fully on par with monolithic designs, Ryzen still has somewhat higher idle consumption all the way to 5000 series due to chiplet design & IO die, haven't seen the number for 7000 series.
@@deviouslaw yes the infinity fabric becomes unstable at lower power. This has been the problem all along and if it was fixable they would of never allowed this to be released with idle power at 100 watts???
It’s insane basically makes these cards worthless. I think now looking back at the Radeon presentation video for the 7900 Lisa’s face did look like someone just ran over her dog…
She did not look super happy are enthusiastic… and the fact they spent more time taking about the display port instead of the performance… yeah AMD fucked up big time.
@@JoeWayne84 and people were complaining about the 4090s power consumption when actually the 40 series is insanely power efficient
@@funtourhawk the main problem is its 2-3x overpriced, not power usage.
@@JoeWayne84 let's hope those drivers come in to save the day in time
Awesome visuals and testing as always. You’ve easily become one of the best sources for fast appealing information when it comes to PCs
Very compelling card. Personally not looking to upgrade my 3080 at the moment. I’d rather upgrade my monitor and cpu first.
very smart.
Cpu bottleneck will be even more this generation.
I just wished 3080 would get DLSS3+FG or I guess FSR3+FG is fine too.
Yes, if you already own 3080, better upgrading monitor first. I just bought LG OLED C2 42" and the visual upgrade vs my old 32" VA monitor is huge.
Snart
My first GPU review from you. EXCELLENT work. Graphs made sense, good pacing through the video, and no obvious signs of bias. 10/10!
No bias except for turning of rebar
@@riba2233 Uh what?
@@KingoftheValley what what? He turned of rebar/sam even though there is absolutely no need and amd gpus benefits from it
Don't really understand why resizable BAR was disabled, seems to be pretty standard to have that on now as all modern motherboards support it.
The hardware supports it, but the games might not. Resizable bar can degrade fps for some games, while increases in others. Its not consistent.
@@tanphan1848 Can you explain how it would degrade fps.
9:03 it won't be for much long though. Blender is adding support for HIP-RT in the next version. Finally an Optix competitor. It would be nice to show how 7900 XTX is performing against CUDA.
HIP-RT probably will come on Blender 3.5
@@blank141, it is
It's even more attractive, today. 7900 xtx is coming down to the $900-$1000 range, while prices on the Nvidia cards have barely budged.
1k for something in striking range of a 2k nvidia card is pretty good value, only argument i can make against it is if you have a lot of time based work load and need every second you can get
IMO even with the bigger power draw, the 7900 XTX is still the clear better alternative for gaming over the 4080 (unless you care about RT). Looks like the power draw issue is fixed now + you can just undervolt. Even if the price was equal, I'd still lean towards the 7900 XTX, cuz NVIDIA skimping on VRAM for a 1440p - 4k card is kinda omegalul
5:32 "it's simply unacceptable 🤓🤓☝️☝️"
1:51 are we just not going to mention how much smoother the frame times are on AMD? or nah?
Pretty surprised. Usually AMD is the one with more efficient cards but now similar performance but higher power usage
The process Nvidia uses is superior, it’s TSMC’s 5nm vs 4nm.
@@patuel1it's not because of that. It's a bug that AMD is already looking at. 100w at idle doesn't have anything to do with process node, it's too much.
On the contrary, to me, the Blender results seems promising. If 7090 HIP is as fast as 3080 OptiX, when OptiX-equivalent for AMD comes with Blender 3.5, it will beat 3080.
Ali, please test the temps in various ITX cases. We want to know if we want the reference model is the go-to model for specific cases.
Good review with power consumption topic too :) looking forward if they can fix it on idle/low loads. If yes then I’ll jump :)
Idk why every tester just doesn't enable SAM.
As its a legit free performance, for enabling a setting in bios.
its like enabling XMP, mostly everyone does it.
Though I will say, even with free performance being left off the table for AMD. Their card still did really well.
I can't wait to use my 7800XT, just by seeing the 7900XTX.
thank you for being the only person who actually did encoding on the 7900xtx in their review today
SAM/Rebar testing would be preferred since both support this by now and these days one should not be playing without it.
Most thorough and informative but also neat and laconic review. You are awesome, man! Keep it up!
I hope we get follow up videos with sam & OC enabled with both ddr4 and ddr5, especially for comp games where 1% fps matters.
anyways, well done as always OT! definitely the best at making clean, honest & consistent reviews 💯
1% fps DONT matter in games, being good matters more than anything else. if you suck at 1000fps, you still suck, if youre great and only have 10fps, you'll still spank the guy that sucks at 1000fps
@@bradhaines3142 What are you talking about ? lol
@@bradhaines3142 10 fps really? no way man. very irrelevant talk
Goodness. although AMDs flagship still loses from Nvidias flagship, just showing how far they have come. I hope they still keep the pricing when they are finally on par or beating the competition.
How does it lose tho
@@projekt84 hes talking about the nvidia flagship, which for now is the 4090. The 7900 XTX definitely loses against it.
@@projekt84 Loses to 4090 and loses to 4080. You get that 200$ in power savings eventually. Longer you go you save more money. During all these years you will enjoy your RAY TRACING and better reliable driver releases. Oh my god AMD got their ass whooped.
@@Underground.Rabbit Amd drivers are literally better than Nvidia ones right now. Its not 2019. Plus the 6900xt gained 10-15% performance in driver updates and there's no reason to believe 7900xtx won't.
@@Underground.Rabbit assuming you use RTX. Also driver stability is debatable. I had as many crashes on AMD as with Nvidia. Also for developers who need to use Linux AMD is preferred (Nvidia works but has quirks)
your review is one of the best because you are showing the exact same cutscenes rendered with different gpus ty so much for this video
For me that extra 8GB of VRAM is a game changer. XTX is gonna be better for my workload. It was either the 7900 xtx or one of their pro workstation cards. I don't think I need 32GB of ECC VRAM though (the next step up). The workstation cards are also way more expensive, but for a good reason. I'm upgrading from the RTX 2070 so I'm just stoked for roughly double my performance with plenty of VRAM headroom for blender. For me being able to load more into a scene is more important than rendering the scene quickly. I'm already running into VRAM constraints a lot on this 2070.
Optimum Tech, given the bigger power draw, can you recommend this card in place of the RTX 4080 from your recent "ITX Perfection - Tiniest 4080 PC" video? Or perhaps, suggest some changes in parts to accommodate 7900 XTX into the T1 case?
Bought an RX 6600 XT for $250 on Black Friday. I'm more than happy with the performance and it competes well with the 3060. Can't wait to see what the RX 7600 XT is like
H.264 has definitely improved compared to the previous, maybe tickering with settings and better software optimization like. Nvidia just received will assist in that. There's some hope with OBS 29, as it's expected to support AV1 fully and the new encoders from Nvidia, Intel and AMD. once it's out of beta. AMD can also optimize its encoding stacks with drivers as well.
I think it's early driver teething issues. They all use US as their beta testers. By the end of 2nd qtr. next year I am sure it will perform better. I can see why the delay in releasing the card. I guess AMD will be hiring even more driver developers to catch up with Nvidia. Hardware wise they are close the just need drivers to exploit the hardware better under windows. I wonder what the Linux performance is like? Well we will know soon LevelOne techs will go thru all of it.
Why as much as I want I can’t go AMD. I had so many bad experiences with the 5700xt
Was thinking of going for the new 4080 super but for an itx build I might consider going for this one, because I don’t I’ll be able to buy the new 4080 due to bots but we’ll see if I get lucky, and good luck to those that are going for it too
Glad I got the 4090 last week
after being a nvidia fan for over 15 years their prices are out of control really would have loved to buy the ASUS strix 4080 not for no 1200 dolars its not worth it, so i am reconsidering buying a 7900 xtx seems promising and i play older titles mostly ATS
Team green is way ahead of competition, world always brace underdogs .
I don't think anyone thinking spend 1000+$ on performance device will calculate $ to prame rate ratio.
Optimum is the most unbiased reviewer i know, and trust me 90% of reviewers are biased and paid to lie, I salute you man.
Hope you're going to look at the thermals and noise in mini ITX cases too!
THANK YOU FOR ADDING POWER CONSUMPTION GRAPH COMPARED TO COMPETITION
@Optimum Tech would nice really nice if you did a follow up, to see how things are nearly half a year later.
100W at idle is absolutely awful. In Europe where energy prices surge, that's a no-go.
Easy fix for it. Its the refresh rate. I have two, 32" 1440p 165hz monitors. On idle my 7900xtx was pulling 100w. I changed my refresh to 100hz, my card pulls 30w. Its because it forces the vram to be at full clockspeed instead of an idle speed. 165hz, vram is 2500, at 100hz, vram caps around 40. Its a weird quirk, and hopefully is fixed on a driver level soon, but for now, its a pretty easy fix. Then I just turn my gaming screen back to 165 for gaming and all is well. This is an easy fix to implement, and I'm sure it'll be out on the next drive update.
AMD cards age very well, launch benchmak numbers will only improve as AMD optimises these games further.
Thanks for including Assetto Corsa Competizione in the testing. Much appreciated.
by far the best tech youtuber
Glad to see ACC is used in the benchmark!
I don't want to support nvidia anymore, but I really like raytracing in games. Hopefully my next upgrade in one or two generations will have an AMD card with great raytracing performance.
Raytracing isn't going to take off. nVidia is touting it like its the next big thing for gaming, but its really not.
bro the rollercoaster on this one, the start was amazing!- but still, nice videocard
In the UK right now, the 4090 is about £1000 more expensive than the XTX. Literally double the price, which is why I'm considering the XTX
Price dropped the 30 series for sure and 4070ti probably comes in around $800 us.
Thanks for showing me this vid I was thinking about buying one due to the average being slightly different and the price but the power consumption is just insane.
5:05 I am pretty sure there was an issue that got fixed with power consumption
try undervolting the card instead of waiting for AMD to fix it?
Something VERY important to take into consideration when talking price. The RX 7900 XTX has a lot higher power consumption. Already after one year, the price difference is minimal between the RX 7900 XTX and RTX 4080 SUPER. After two years, the RTX 4080 SUPER is the more cheap card. So take that into consideration when thinking of what to buy.
Man, Im excited for these new cards but more excited for price dumps on Radeon 6000 cards 😁
Bought a 7900xtx just a bit ago, I don't regret my choice one bit.
good video, one piece of feedback - switching which side of the screen the AMD v Nvidia card metrics were displayed on frequently was frustrating
Why colors on 4090 in god of war are much better than on other GPUs (2:05)?
That power consumption... yikes
If I had either of these cards I'd enable resizable BAR-Would prefer the comparison with it on for both.
Amd is the more power hungry card. With buggy drives truly Radeon is back
wasnt expecting the power draw there ...
6:40 the xtx footage is noticably smoother, idk if that's the actual result or it happened somewhere in post
Even the 70W idle power draw of the 4080 sounds high, my 3080 idles at 20-30W
that power consumption issue is alarming.
For Gamers, specially competitive ones, NEVER go frame generation, it adds a lot of imput lag.
Better Benchmarks representation than Linus Tech Tips did
It's December 2023, and now you can buy two 7900XTX cards for the price of one 4090.
How do the two compare now? The 4080 Super and 7900 XTX are the same price, on rasterization you get a bit more out of the XTX but feature wise you get more from the RTX
Why would anyone run without resizable bar on either gpu in 2022? Why bother testing with it off?
I love to see you to do more review like this. This is clean, fast paced, informative and right on the point.
I see what you did with the 1 min delayed upload. Smart.
Awesome review, did you look for coil noise?
Will you be reviewing the Deathadder V3 Pro?
I feel like a 4080 has more value than the 7900 XT because of dlss3 and raytracing performance
Heavily depends on the user. Heavy raytracing workloads aren't anywhere near common enough for it to be worth the cost for me, and I care more about rasterization rather than DLSS or FSR.
U can get frame gen on amd cards too lo;
Sweet review ❤
Video takeaway:
Do not buy reference card. (It has heating problems)
Great review, very informative! 😊👍 Appreciate the detailed analysis.
Thank you for including blender OptiX vs AMD comparison . Most reviewers use CPU rendering(duh !) when showing blender benchmark
As Linus tech tips becomes more clickbaity and insufferable, optimum steps up to be the best, highest quality PC tech RUclipsr. Excellent video as always
Watch Gamers Nexus for purchasing decisions imo
I don't know why anyone would compare the 7900XTX to the 4090. They are no where near the same ballpark price.
If the 4080 and 7900XTX were the same price as they are in Australia you would just get the 4080 IMO because of extra Ray Tracing performance.
The problem for both of those cards though is the 7900XT is only $1250 now which is $450 cheaper than both the 4080 and the 7900XTX.
No one should be considering either of these 2 shitty cards in Australia.
The 3080 RRP in Australia was $1170, so the 7900XT is getting close to that price now. Plus it comes with The Last of Us Part 1 remake.
Its included so you can see the performance differences. Some people might want the RT performance of a 4090 and go with it instead of a 7900xtx, others, the opposite.
So under the line there is nothing won going for AMD at this price point. Factor in the high Idle-Power Consumption and the Content-Creation aspect, you better of buying NVIDIA again. I don't like this but nothing about the 7900 XTX is good for it's price point. It's just the cheaper next-gen alternative for less performance/features. So there is nothing won here. I really wanted to buy this card. Now I'm unsure.
another advantage of amd is that you nont need new case cuz the size is way smaller than nvidia cards.
also Display port 2.0
Imo having SAM enabled would only be fair. If Nvidia had it on driver level everyone would run it. Seems like fair game imo. Would rather want to see the highest possible performance. Maybe that's just me tho 😊 Regardless, good video as always!
Yay. Been waiting all day for your video
Here in The Netherlands (at this moment) the 4070ti and 7900xtx cost the same. What is the best card to go for? I've always had a Nvidia card, So is it worth it to go team red?
for gods sake, get 7900xtx, but are you sure it's xtx might be the 7900 xt
@@martim_trindade it really is! It's the 7900xtx Taichi white 24gb.
As someone who uses Blender all the time, if AMD was within 10% of NVIDIA's performance, I'd absolutely go AMD. That's not the case. I wish it was
why everyone is fanboy of AMD. why don't u guys look for better performance rather than brand,
@@wix9881 Nvidia controls 90% of the GPU market, wtf you talking about.
@@moldraxianwe don’t, it fact there’s more Nivida fans out there like you than AMD fans
Beste,
Welke videokaart zo jij aanraden voor city builder?
Want er wordt nooit een test gedaan op zo games, en hoeveel vram heb je nodig?
Mvg
missing VR segment
Amazing imagery as always.
is undervolting does its job good here as the 7000 amd cpus?
if sam is enabled plus oc, would the 7900xt get even closer?
it most likely would. judging by previous generations performance uplift, you would expect to see the 7900xtx to perform 5-10% better in games. even up to 15%
@@moistovengaming5418 damn, so basically just oc this and enable sam and you have INSAAANE bang for your buck
@@ryanreviews8566 i think its already superb bang for your buck but yeah, with oc and sam this will crush at its pricepoint
can you do an update video of the 7900XTX vs the 4080 super?
The difference is the stream quality for the most part looks like nvidia does better with lettering
AMD just fix your drivers for the love of god and im buying a 7900xtx, i dont want random crashing and having to tweak almost every single game in order for it to run right...
Thank you for this great comparison!
Current cheapest available prices to me 7900XTX is 100€ cheaper than a 4080. The best thing to say about 7900XTX is that it matches 4080 rasterization performance at 100€ less, but that's where the positives end. (even) worse power consumption, poor support in many production workloads, completely outclassed with raytracing enabled, AMD features < nVidia features... it's not even a competition.
AMD needs to do more than offer a minor price to performance advantage in raster performance with all the other deficits to become an appealing option. The one value unicorn I see AMD has available to me right now is 679€ 6950XT vs 899€ 4070ti, that would actually be very appealing if I didn't need an nVidia GPU for my workloads. Frankly my current most attractive GPU upgrade is a used 3090, being the cheapest 24GB nvidia card available.
Less than a week ago the 7900 XTX was 800$ with Starfield premium included. That's 400$ less than 4080 plus a 100$ game, in other words insane value. If you are only going to play videogames then it's a no brainer. Plus Pytorch support for AMD cards is being more friendly every day it passes, open source folks are working everyday on optimizing these cards to run AI models and machine learning.
If in the near future AMD cards are as good with AI as Nvidia and they release a 7950 XT with 32GB of VRAM I'm all in.
@@KeiGGR My currently available prices have changed a little more in 7900XTX's favor. Now the cheapest 7900XTX is ~1050€ where the cheapest 4080 is 1210€. Little better, still questionable if raytracing performance is of any importance. And just feature advantage in general. It seems like AMD is always a lot cheaper in muricas, but at this delta _I'm_ seeing I would still lean towards nvidia if only for the sake of its features. CUDA is still one heck of a trump card across a variety of production workloads. Even if you only play videogames DLSS 3 and frame generation is something worth considering, heck, even things like nvidia broadcast's superior noise reduction add value, and if you're streaming to twitch, nvenc might interest you since it doesn't look like twitch is going to support AV1 anytime soon if ever. Also AI. Maybe better support in the future isn't something I'm brave enough to bet on.
If someone tells me they want an expensive GPU just to play games, they will never enable raytracing and they don't care about any of the nvidia features, 7900XTX is the easy choice - it is cheaper after all. I still wouldn't consider it an option for myself at these prices.
@@SaltyMaudamd gpus are for people who either don't care about raytracing or play light ray tracing games atm, and ur a little outdated, recently amd announced their frame generation who btw works on most radeon and nvidia gpus, not only their latest series, and also hyper rx which will give frame generation with upscaling on any game, with a little bit less quality than fsr
I actually don't care about ray tracing. I really don't notice the difference that much. I always turn it off in games lol
AMD's streaming performance with AV1 looks like its got some kind of sharpening effect compared to Nvidias. Its pretty noticeable around UI elements and areas of high contrast.