Always love watching Dawid for tips on minor tweaks to improve your Amazon prebuilt. Such as replacing nearly every component and literally tearing the case apart.
@@rustler08 I wonder if it's super loud because there's limited airflow? The AIO needs to breathe. When fans don't breathe, they get loud and inefficient. Maybe he needs to use the Dremel a bit more on the front... try not to sacrifice integrity, but maybe cut some metal, add some mesh and a magnetic filter? IDK just spitballing. There could be a part 2 to this.
I always have a question I would like to ask Dawid. After the video, what does he do with many of his "trash" computers? Does he sell them on eBay? Return them? Many RUclipsrs get "sponsored items" such as graphic cards/motherboards/power supplies. But what do Dawid do with those "trash" after the video after he clearly purchased it from his wallet?
Amazon has nothing to do with 99.999% of their products as those are sold by tens of thousands of companies, resellers, scammers, refubers etc Amazon just procides a website where those companies can advertise and sell their products You as a buyer should know, you see the name of the actual seller dor many rpoducts
What has Amazon to do with this? They are only the Marketplace where such Systems are sold. This PC is made by "Shuttle". A well known Systembuilder for such small PCs. Would you blame your local Supermarket for a Product they are selling but not producing? No. You would blame the Producer, right?
Actually my brother did that, to make a through lounge. He was so proud. My stepdad, a painter and decorator, went to see and was horrified! The upstairs wall, supported by nothing, was already slowly and visibly curving the floor joists downwards. An hour later they were jacking the wall back up and installing a steel joist
I did a shuttle PC way before ITX was a thing (over 20 years ago). I always wondered why they didn’t emerge quickly for ITX builds…. Dawid, I am glad you did all this entertaining hard work to show Shuttle what they SHOULD do…
I still have my Shuttle PC from the Pentium 4 days. It was a neat little aluminum box back then; the new one looks more bland (somehow) than the Fractal Design Core 500 ITX I built. I didn't think it was possible...even the Arc A770 LE and 9700K in that system crushes that Shuttle configuration.
If you love it so much why don't you and Dawid and Ewan McGregor have a 3 way (death match)? By the way, I haven't seen a film movie since the original swedish "girl with the dragon tattoo" so I have no idea who Ewan McGregor is. I bet he was that guy in Boss Baby. Or Free Guy or the Emoji Movie.
I was a big fan of Shuttle XPCs back in the 00s. I proudly used my SS51G as my primary driver from about 2002 to 2008. This video has tickled my nostalgia bone and I am really surprised that Shuttle is still producing XPCs with this same form factor in 2023.
I used an SN41G2 from about 2008 (given to me by a family member) until 2012. My particular system had an Athlon XP-M in there for maximum l33t overclocking and a GeForce 7800 GS.
SN41G2 here. Still works even after modding it with open-loop water cooling to help with the heat (not much). The case is still nice on the outside, so maybe do an ITX project in it one day with cheap, cold, modern compnents with integrated graphics.
Yeah I remember them, never owned one but I thought the small form factor was cool. Glad to see Shuttle is still around as I completely forgot about them.
Shuttle! They made the proto-mini PCs back in 2007-2011 with...ugh...Atom CPUs. But also expandable RAM and storage, slim case profiles, ultra-low power consumption, near-zero noise and the coolest looking cases you could buy at the time. So many fond memories of those old machines.
They were around before 2007 and you could put an actual CPU in them. I remember they sold barebone kits. Think they started popping up around AMD Athlon XP/Pentium 4 days.
@@Gatorade69 Shuttle in general, yeah, P4/AXP sounds about right. But their systems that were about the size of a VHS tape are the ones I remember well. Their Atom CPUs were junk, but they still let you put a real desktop PC capable of basic office tasks (and sweet, sweet emulation) just about anywhere.
It would have been interesting to see what an i7-7700 could have done on the original motherboard, what with all the powering ahead you did. Great video!
That is a CPU era of pretty mediocre performance. You'd be spending $80 on a meh processor. To put it in perspective, even a base 13100F is far faster than a 7700K, let alone a 7700. So, you'd be throwing money at a CPU to go from extremely bottlenecked to "still bottlenecked, but $80 poorer." Not exactly sure I'd want to throw $80 away when you could just save that toward something with much better performance.
@@rustler08 Yeah, at this point any quad core era platform should be relegated to office work and web browsing as gaming on anything but one of the fastest quad cores available isn't great unless you plan on playing only older stuff.
@@rustler08 You have a point, but the 7700 will seriously outrun the cpu that's in there. I use an i7-7700 in my HTPC, and it does OK on older titles (3-5 years old) in 1080p. And it would be a lot cheaper than a new motherboard.
Anyone who hasn't fixed a PC with a Dremel or angle grinder or hacksaw (or in one case I used, the sidewalk) hasn't actually built a PC. We watched Dawid earn his stripes on this one (Like... again I mean.) He's really into 'Hard Core' PC building as his core is now chiselled Adonis levels from all this extra work.
I loved the small Shuttle XPCs back when Lan Parties used to be more common, in times where most people didn't have a good Internet connection to play online Multiplayer games. Having a nicely portable PC was really practical. I actually still have my two shuttle PCs from back then, one is a Shuttle SK43G (Socket A with an Athlon XP) and the other one is a Shuttle SN21G5 (Socket 939 with an Athlon 64 X2).
I appreciate that your go to for resolving the radiator issue was to get the Dremel and drill multiple holes, but your go to for not having a short enough standoff was to replace ALL the standoffs with things that didn't fit rather than getting the Dremel and grinding down one of your spare standoffs to make it shorter.
You know if you stopped buying pre built PCs and built your own from the start your tumor would start to shrink. Just my tip of the week. Keep doing what you do! Always love your videos.
This is one of my favourite videos in a while. I had a Shuttle back in the C2D days and this brings me back. Great to see with a lotta work these are still semi-worth while :)
Honestly, I feel like rather than completely trying to upgrade the motherboard, etc.. you could have simply replaced that i5-7400 with something like a Xeon E3-1270 v5 (4 core, 8 thread, 3.5 GHz - roughly $25-30USD), or an i7-8700 (6 core/12 thread 3.2GHz - roughly $75-80USD) and been done with it. A ton less pain and frustration and very well matched with the 4070... you'd barely have to remove and re-mount anything. Also both of these run at approximately HALF of the TDP of the 12600K, which means no heat problems. Heck, the i7-8700 is the exact same TDP as the i5-7400.
You savaged that machine yet I’m not disappointed. I kind of like the chassis, motherboard and cooling design by default for some strange reason. It makes me nostalgic. Anyways, I can’t believe they’d even build such mismatched systems. Thank you for smiting the prebuilt gods once again
I had one of these and also their Biostar competitor back in the mid-2000's. They were really cool for what they were back then. I'm surprised that they're still around as they never really exploded and became more popular from what I remember. Working inside was both very cool and also a little frustrating as Dawid saw for himself.
This brings back memories... Years ago I had a Shuttle PC case. I loved the thing, but it was a pain in the ass to work with. And that was without a modern GPU in there.
I had used a Shuttle XPC in around 2005, with an A64 3400+ and a X800Pro. It got so hot and loud, I eventually had to watercool it with an external pump and radiator. I'm just surprised the tiny PSU never died on me. After that, I have never again build a PC smaller that mATX.
You ever take it to a Newegg Lan Party ? I remember seeing a watercooled Shuttle at Newegg Lanfest in 2005 and remember it had similar specs to my PC (A64 3200+ and a X800XT).
Watching Dawid use tools instantly activates my dad reflex to jump up and take it from him, lest he dismember himself in Tarantino fashion. I have fingerprints all over my monitor from watching Dawid videos. Great job rescuing that travesty of a pre-built!
After having just built my first system I'd say building a pc is like cooking a nice meal.. all the ingredients need to work well/meld together in a specific way. Very good video on illustrating bottlenecks.
It's unlike Shuttle that they put this configuration together. It must be a third-party. If people understood who Shuttle are, they'd be amazed at the systems they put together. One of the most reliable manufacturers making systems that last decades. Sure, you haven't heard of them, thats because they make systems geared more so the commercial market. this was one of the rare gaming systems they put together years ago. Dawid, if you can find Shuttle's latest cube model SH570R8, if would be a interesting review.
I always loved the shuttle PCs, since the early 2000s. Actually owned 2 pentium4 based shuttles in the late 2000s. I actually considered buying a bare one of this precise case you used here. I was thinking 92mm AIO, I’m sooo glad you did the leg work and convinced me I SHOULDNT do this haha. The psu format is FLEX and I think seasonic makes one. But it’s also a 500W, so no real use upgrading here. Cool vid. :)
I've loved this video ! it's so great to see Dawid cutting, drilling and taking apart all kind of stuff to make a functional Frankenstein out of useless PC case. I'm sure you could have mounted extra noctua fans into the case and made it quieter and more efficient!
Also, I want to see this motherboard being modded using CoffeeTime to see if it'll make it better for compatibility. (There's more explanation of this program in a video called "Putting a Laptop CPU in my Home server" by Wolfgang)
Personally, with a 500W PSU, I'd have looked at an i5-13400F or possibly a previous-gen AMD option, like a 5600 to keep power consumption down and maybe some extra case fans (looks like 92mm or 80mm may fit). Any airflow is better than none! Other than that, great Dremeling! It looks like you could potentially fit a longer GPU in there, maybe up to 290mm or so?
One of your best videos in a while... Thank you... Would it have been possible to update the CPU that was in the system already? I dont know intel sockets that well... but it would have been interesting to see if that was a possible 'upgrade'
Depends if the bios will handle it but a 7700k would help somewhat....maybe. That ram speed is really going to kill any performance increase from the faster cpu.
You could shove an i7-7700K in it, but I can tell you from experience those things run shockingly hot. Also, the 4070 is still going to spend most of its time napping.
The only options is to get a non-K i7 since the motherboard doesn't allow overclocking but these old intel CPUs also suffer from spectre and meltdown vulnerability which was patched in windows but the patch decrease the performance of intel multithreading so the locked i7 might not be that much faster...
This video brought back memories of the one Shuttle computer I owned well before the model you had. Right down to the dremeling part. I added a couple of fans on the top of the case. So glad I sold that sucker down the line... Was cool for LAN parties when that was a thing!
I hate the intro scene because that's how I would've been in reality if I didn't lose a part of my childish self for guilting my parents into buying something I wish for... I hate myself for looking at kids doing this..
There's not another motherboard in the universe that has the CPU socket in the same spot as that one, and it would have to be precisely in the same location for both the cooler and the IO shield to reach the rear panel.
@@drewdane40 Doesn't hurt to try, though. You're just assuming that there isn't a single one that'll work. That's the kind of pessimism that gets us nowhere.
Shuttle employee here. Shuttle has moved away from the pc gaming market for a long time now and focuses more on professional and industrial computers. As for the R9 pc featured in this video, I'm not quite sure why Amazon wanted this configuration from us but we're not going to complain about a sale. Please note this is from my own personal perspective and not as representative of the company.
I feel his pain. I had a 2011-vintage Shuttle BBC that became "spare" in 2018 and I wanted to see what could be done to "improve" it. First, the Shuttle Mobo is a non-standard form factor like in the video and only supported Socket 775 with DDR2 RAM, SATA-II and USB2. The original CPU was a Dual-Core Celeron, but could be upgraded to Pentium Quad. The big problem was no video card, the system was limited to Intel 4500 graphics. Basically, to make this system even moderately useful for light gaming would have meant throwing out everything but the case and power supply. So the case did support Mini-ITX, but the PSU was a non-standard 250W (like in the video, only weaker). So yeah, it would have been better to toss everything and start over. Oh, and in 2018, DDR2 RAM was like $200 for 8GB! So pretty much useless. You can buy modern pre-built AMD/Radeon Mini PC gaming configurations nowadays for less money than you would spend on upgrading these terrible Shuttle systems. Fun video!
i used to have a shuttle in 2005 and this was greatly small and portable, difficult to upgrade, noisy and not standard. The power ended up failing and there was not chance to find spares...despite that I still enjoyed it very much as it fitted on my desk
I hate computers like this, lurering in unsuspecting timmys with the promise of gaming at a cheaper price then the competition, only to it be a huge scam
Seeing that Shuttle even has got their own software on, they should have known what they were doing. They were the og of shoebox builds, what happened...
I always liked the concept of Shuttle's SFF cases/computers. May be not for a gaming PC, but I did build a media/HTPC with it a long time ago and it was pretty fun. Their recent designs for their "cube" series seem kinda boring though.
Dawid missed his call as a comedian because I am constantly laughing at his anecdotes and unique "perspectives" in his videos. Like, I come here for solid PC/tech experiences and he delivers, but this guy has me genuinely laughing my ass off with his quips...just brilliant. Rock on dude!
I haven't seen those Shuttle PCs in a long time. It's another way of providing a complete barebones system that you can completely rebuild. Sure it sucks to have a lower Wattage PSU and a proprietary mobo, but it's a good system to get you started to beginner's PC DIY.
I still have one of these Shuttle PC's from around 2009 sitting on a shelf in my workshop. In its day it was serviceable for its purpose. I'm trying to figure a way to gut it and use the case.
The prolonged "Ahhhhhhhhhhh" at 11:50 reminded me each and every moment in my life as a PC service employee when i cut myself in the motherboards shields! And it hurt soooo much!
At one point, I had 5 of these various Shuttle PCs that I got used. The cases on all of them looked like they had been crushed by a forklift. Good to know that's just a selling point that comes with them from the factory!
I spend half your videos laughing! I'm a sucker for sarcasm, which you are a highly skilled technician of. I also appreciate that you do have technical skills as well which always prevail, despite you downplaying them. As a habitual builder myself, I completely understand your drive to be challenged.
Watch out for that Gigabyte backdoor in your new setup, Dawid. Turn off the UEFI automatic update download or Skynet will penetrate your glory hole. Always practice safe computing and put an anti-static bag on your dongle when networking with SCSI peripherals. A proper anti-static bag will prevent GUI messes. Also, I have the same NZXT AIO. I replaced the fans with Noctua NF-12s and it no longer sounds like a jet turbine. It is quiet and serene, with still delicious temps. I think NZXT buys their fans from the Albanian Air Force Surplus. It's a good AIO, the fans are crap.
Nice. I had a 4400ti and I think I got a dud card. It never performed like it should have, I swear my Geforce 3 got better framerates. On top of that the colors were really dark.
Ahoy, so a smart car with a great audio system? Shoehorn in a charger drivetrain and a supercharger, then its a smart car that goes 160 mph...still with a great audio system! Very entertaining. Cheers, daveyb
This whole video I was literally ready to write a comment that you need to invest in a Dremel so you can do things like shorten stand-offs and cut out small pieces of cases. IT'S ABOUT TIME!
You know a prebuilt is bad when it takes a new mobo and CPU just to make it decent. And no, not all prebuilts are bad---some of them like the new Omen series are awesome
At what point does an _"upgrade"_ become rebuilding an entire system using just the case the computer came in? I wouldnt say this classifies as an upgrade. 😂
Reminds me of car youtubers that rebuild a burnt out wreck of a car by basically replacing everything apart from the burnt shell and call it patina. Makes for an entertain video.
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Always love watching Dawid for tips on minor tweaks to improve your Amazon prebuilt. Such as replacing nearly every component and literally tearing the case apart.
That was still a stock power supply. And GPU. lol
@@rustler08 I wonder if it's super loud because there's limited airflow? The AIO needs to breathe. When fans don't breathe, they get loud and inefficient. Maybe he needs to use the Dremel a bit more on the front... try not to sacrifice integrity, but maybe cut some metal, add some mesh and a magnetic filter? IDK just spitballing. There could be a part 2 to this.
@@SeeJayPlayGames yeah it's called using a 120mm rad. They're trash
Always happy to provide practical advise on this channel. 😂
its not that dificult to build a capable gaming pc for under ike 450 - 550 cdn
Personally, I enjoy fitting my large GPU into tight holes.
You mean average GPU?
who doesnt??
It ain't original. You're JC Denton. Your "GPU" is probably augmented.
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@@Mackyo_15but it has a great personality
Amazon never fails to throw my expectations down the drain
I always have a question I would like to ask Dawid. After the video, what does he do with many of his "trash" computers? Does he sell them on eBay? Return them? Many RUclipsrs get "sponsored items" such as graphic cards/motherboards/power supplies. But what do Dawid do with those "trash" after the video after he clearly purchased it from his wallet?
Amazon has nothing to do with 99.999% of their products as those are sold by tens of thousands of companies, resellers, scammers, refubers etc
Amazon just procides a website where those companies can advertise and sell their products
You as a buyer should know, you see the name of the actual seller dor many rpoducts
@@helloworld9811 I’d like to assume he either sells them or reuses their parts for future videos
Thing is its not amazon that builds the computers. They might slap their name on some things, but that doesn't mean they made them from scratch
What has Amazon to do with this? They are only the Marketplace where such Systems are sold. This PC is made by "Shuttle". A well known Systembuilder for such small PCs.
Would you blame your local Supermarket for a Product they are selling but not producing? No. You would blame the Producer, right?
Dawid redecorating at home: "You know, if we take out it load bearing wall, we're gonna get so much more space!"
Haha the stuff of nightmares 😂
Actually my brother did that, to make a through lounge. He was so proud. My stepdad, a painter and decorator, went to see and was horrified! The upstairs wall, supported by nothing, was already slowly and visibly curving the floor joists downwards. An hour later they were jacking the wall back up and installing a steel joist
Load bearing ventilation ducts could be a new trend. 😄
That’s why I will only ever rent. Stops me from doing dumb stuff to the place. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff It's important to know one's limitations 👍
I did a shuttle PC way before ITX was a thing (over 20 years ago). I always wondered why they didn’t emerge quickly for ITX builds…. Dawid, I am glad you did all this entertaining hard work to show Shuttle what they SHOULD do…
I still have my Shuttle PC from the Pentium 4 days. It was a neat little aluminum box back then; the new one looks more bland (somehow) than the Fractal Design Core 500 ITX I built. I didn't think it was possible...even the Arc A770 LE and 9700K in that system crushes that Shuttle configuration.
built two from the core 2 duo era, and theya re indeed still in use. as htpcs
I remember VIA boards that were mini ITX, around 2001-2002.
@@iamwonderFilMine was literally a laptop in a tiny box. It worked great until it aged out because the onboard graphics was only good for 4x3 scaling.
I’ve still got my old shuttle XPC.
These are some of best computer videos on RUclips adding much needed comic relief.
have you ever tried putting a Doberman heart into a Chiwawa?🤣
Dawid is slowly starting to look like ewan mcgregor and I love it!
I cant unsee it now
@@yeetus076 good!
I cant wait for him to start a video with: „Hello there!“
@@TheSykoRC General Kenobi you are a bold one
If you love it so much why don't you and Dawid and Ewan McGregor have a 3 way (death match)?
By the way, I haven't seen a film movie since the original swedish "girl with the dragon tattoo" so I have no idea who Ewan McGregor is. I bet he was that guy in Boss Baby. Or Free Guy or the Emoji Movie.
I was a big fan of Shuttle XPCs back in the 00s. I proudly used my SS51G as my primary driver from about 2002 to 2008. This video has tickled my nostalgia bone and I am really surprised that Shuttle is still producing XPCs with this same form factor in 2023.
I used an SN41G2 from about 2008 (given to me by a family member) until 2012. My particular system had an Athlon XP-M in there for maximum l33t overclocking and a GeForce 7800 GS.
SN41G2 here. Still works even after modding it with open-loop water cooling to help with the heat (not much). The case is still nice on the outside, so maybe do an ITX project in it one day with cheap, cold, modern compnents with integrated graphics.
Yeah I remember them, never owned one but I thought the small form factor was cool. Glad to see Shuttle is still around as I completely forgot about them.
This case has a lot more empty space than the Core2 era one I had. The lack of optical drive and 3.5” hard drives frees up a lot of room.
Shuttle! They made the proto-mini PCs back in 2007-2011 with...ugh...Atom CPUs. But also expandable RAM and storage, slim case profiles, ultra-low power consumption, near-zero noise and the coolest looking cases you could buy at the time. So many fond memories of those old machines.
They were around before 2007 and you could put an actual CPU in them. I remember they sold barebone kits. Think they started popping up around AMD Athlon XP/Pentium 4 days.
@@Gatorade69 Shuttle in general, yeah, P4/AXP sounds about right. But their systems that were about the size of a VHS tape are the ones I remember well. Their Atom CPUs were junk, but they still let you put a real desktop PC capable of basic office tasks (and sweet, sweet emulation) just about anywhere.
I love that in order to "fix" the system he essentially just rebuilt the whole computer lol
did your dad leave you again?🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue ???
It would have been interesting to see what an i7-7700 could have done on the original motherboard, what with all the powering ahead you did. Great video!
That is a CPU era of pretty mediocre performance. You'd be spending $80 on a meh processor. To put it in perspective, even a base 13100F is far faster than a 7700K, let alone a 7700.
So, you'd be throwing money at a CPU to go from extremely bottlenecked to "still bottlenecked, but $80 poorer." Not exactly sure I'd want to throw $80 away when you could just save that toward something with much better performance.
@@rustler08 Yeah, at this point any quad core era platform should be relegated to office work and web browsing as gaming on anything but one of the fastest quad cores available isn't great unless you plan on playing only older stuff.
@@rustler08 You have a point, but the 7700 will seriously outrun the cpu that's in there. I use an i7-7700 in my HTPC, and it does OK on older titles (3-5 years old) in 1080p. And it would be a lot cheaper than a new motherboard.
there isnt any xeon with more than 4/8 that runs on that platform?
@@lndnfsu2 Probably, but (A) would the bios on that oddball motherboard support it, and (B) could the VRM's power it?
Anyone who hasn't fixed a PC with a Dremel or angle grinder or hacksaw (or in one case I used, the sidewalk) hasn't actually built a PC. We watched Dawid earn his stripes on this one (Like... again I mean.) He's really into 'Hard Core' PC building as his core is now chiselled Adonis levels from all this extra work.
I loved the small Shuttle XPCs back when Lan Parties used to be more common, in times where most people didn't have a good Internet connection to play online Multiplayer games. Having a nicely portable PC was really practical. I actually still have my two shuttle PCs from back then, one is a Shuttle SK43G (Socket A with an Athlon XP) and the other one is a Shuttle SN21G5 (Socket 939 with an Athlon 64 X2).
I remember really wanting a Shuttle PC years ago. We need more SFF cases and GPUs that will fit in them.
I kept saying “why doesn’t he just drill the parts out that are in the way?” And cheered so loudly when he busted out the Dremel. Lol.😂
are you learning?
I appreciate that your go to for resolving the radiator issue was to get the Dremel and drill multiple holes, but your go to for not having a short enough standoff was to replace ALL the standoffs with things that didn't fit rather than getting the Dremel and grinding down one of your spare standoffs to make it shorter.
Love when the 600$ GPU costs ~800$ on the other side.
You know if you stopped buying pre built PCs and built your own from the start your tumor would start to shrink. Just my tip of the week. Keep doing what you do! Always love your videos.
This is one of my favourite videos in a while. I had a Shuttle back in the C2D days and this brings me back. Great to see with a lotta work these are still semi-worth while :)
If by "semi-worth while" you mean it's still suboptimal after replacing almost everything and modding what's left, I'd agree.
Well, as the IChing always says, "Perseverance furthers". Nice work Mr. D, nice work!
Dawid singlehandedly keeping the sketchy amazon prebuilt market alive lmao. Great video!
Redundant alive :)
It's not Amazon, it's older model from Shuttle.
Honestly, I feel like rather than completely trying to upgrade the motherboard, etc.. you could have simply replaced that i5-7400 with something like a Xeon E3-1270 v5 (4 core, 8 thread, 3.5 GHz - roughly $25-30USD), or an i7-8700 (6 core/12 thread 3.2GHz - roughly $75-80USD) and been done with it. A ton less pain and frustration and very well matched with the 4070... you'd barely have to remove and re-mount anything. Also both of these run at approximately HALF of the TDP of the 12600K, which means no heat problems. Heck, the i7-8700 is the exact same TDP as the i5-7400.
You savaged that machine yet I’m not disappointed. I kind of like the chassis, motherboard and cooling design by default for some strange reason. It makes me nostalgic. Anyways, I can’t believe they’d even build such mismatched systems. Thank you for smiting the prebuilt gods once again
I had one of these and also their Biostar competitor back in the mid-2000's. They were really cool for what they were back then. I'm surprised that they're still around as they never really exploded and became more popular from what I remember. Working inside was both very cool and also a little frustrating as Dawid saw for himself.
This is my favorite video from Dawid. Just the right amount of cursed PC, PC building, at it's finest 😂
This brings back memories... Years ago I had a Shuttle PC case. I loved the thing, but it was a pain in the ass to work with. And that was without a modern GPU in there.
I had used a Shuttle XPC in around 2005, with an A64 3400+ and a X800Pro. It got so hot and loud, I eventually had to watercool it with an external pump and radiator. I'm just surprised the tiny PSU never died on me. After that, I have never again build a PC smaller that mATX.
You ever take it to a Newegg Lan Party ?
I remember seeing a watercooled Shuttle at Newegg Lanfest in 2005 and remember it had similar specs to my PC (A64 3200+ and a X800XT).
That 100 degrees reading was giving me anxiety!
Watching Dawid use tools instantly activates my dad reflex to jump up and take it from him, lest he dismember himself in Tarantino fashion. I have fingerprints all over my monitor from watching Dawid videos. Great job rescuing that travesty of a pre-built!
Same 😂
@@AnnaDoes Please make sure he at least wears safety glasses 😂
After having just built my first system I'd say building a pc is like cooking a nice meal.. all the ingredients need to work well/meld together in a specific way.
Very good video on illustrating bottlenecks.
Dawid's acting is once again top tier.
Dawid nailed this one? nah dremmeled this one out the park!
Hey Dawid you could've just used a lower powered cpu like the i3 12100f which would've been easier to cool without much performance loss
I think this is my favorite video in awhile... Every time a dremel comes to the party is a good time
It's unlike Shuttle that they put this configuration together. It must be a third-party. If people understood who Shuttle are, they'd be amazed at the systems they put together. One of the most reliable manufacturers making systems that last decades. Sure, you haven't heard of them, thats because they make systems geared more so the commercial market. this was one of the rare gaming systems they put together years ago. Dawid, if you can find Shuttle's latest cube model SH570R8, if would be a interesting review.
Yeah, it doesn't look like a shuttle - has the form factor but the specs are odd (the shuttle you speak of is LGA 1200 platform)
That intro was hilarious. Dawid humor is peak comedy and you can't tell me otherwise!
I always loved the shuttle PCs, since the early 2000s. Actually owned 2 pentium4 based shuttles in the late 2000s. I actually considered buying a bare one of this precise case you used here. I was thinking 92mm AIO, I’m sooo glad you did the leg work and convinced me I SHOULDNT do this haha. The psu format is FLEX and I think seasonic makes one. But it’s also a 500W, so no real use upgrading here. Cool vid. :)
I've loved this video ! it's so great to see Dawid cutting, drilling and taking apart all kind of stuff to make a functional Frankenstein out of useless PC case. I'm sure you could have mounted extra noctua fans into the case and made it quieter and more efficient!
Also, I want to see this motherboard being modded using CoffeeTime to see if it'll make it better for compatibility.
(There's more explanation of this program in a video called "Putting a Laptop CPU in my Home server" by Wolfgang)
Amongst the first gaming LAN PCs I built was a Shuttle. Nice to see they're still kicking around.
Personally, with a 500W PSU, I'd have looked at an i5-13400F or possibly a previous-gen AMD option, like a 5600 to keep power consumption down and maybe some extra case fans (looks like 92mm or 80mm may fit). Any airflow is better than none! Other than that, great Dremeling!
It looks like you could potentially fit a longer GPU in there, maybe up to 290mm or so?
That PC be looking like a fanatec DD racing wheel base
Looks like you went through a lot of work/Hell to deliver what was an informative and entertaining video.
Thank you for the extreme effort 👌
I unironically love these little shuttle pcs... makes mebwant to tinker with one thier barebones kits again.
Your videos are alway entertaining, thanks. And I picked up some good hardware ideas if I ever want to build something like this from scratch.
One of the best videos yet. We need more of you making random PCs by squishing stuff together in new cases!
Ah yes, fix the pc by changeing all the components to make a whole new pc.
That seemed like far too much work. But , well done Dawid. 10 outa 10 .
So much work goes into your videos, loved it❤
@05:33 "Not even McAfee would pay to be put on this system". That's brutal.
One of your best videos in a while... Thank you... Would it have been possible to update the CPU that was in the system already? I dont know intel sockets that well... but it would have been interesting to see if that was a possible 'upgrade'
Depends if the bios will handle it but a 7700k would help somewhat....maybe. That ram speed is really going to kill any performance increase from the faster cpu.
You could shove an i7-7700K in it, but I can tell you from experience those things run shockingly hot. Also, the 4070 is still going to spend most of its time napping.
The only options is to get a non-K i7 since the motherboard doesn't allow overclocking but these old intel CPUs also suffer from spectre and meltdown vulnerability which was patched in windows but the patch decrease the performance of intel multithreading so the locked i7 might not be that much faster...
@@PyroCatusYou can and should disable the mitigations. Inspectre program makes it easy on windows, Linux you set mitigations=off in kernel options
This video brought back memories of the one Shuttle computer I owned well before the model you had. Right down to the dremeling part. I added a couple of fans on the top of the case. So glad I sold that sucker down the line... Was cool for LAN parties when that was a thing!
I hate the intro scene because that's how I would've been in reality if I didn't lose a part of my childish self for guilting my parents into buying something I wish for...
I hate myself for looking at kids doing this..
"Crying" was realistic. I've cried with same shame after receiving my prebuild gaming pc.
SHould have tried with a 10th or 11th gen Intel CPU to use the original cooler and see how that fared!
There's not another motherboard in the universe that has the CPU socket in the same spot as that one, and it would have to be precisely in the same location for both the cooler and the IO shield to reach the rear panel.
@@drewdane40 Doesn't hurt to try, though. You're just assuming that there isn't a single one that'll work. That's the kind of pessimism that gets us nowhere.
Had a shuttle as my first “kit” case. Honestly back in the early 2000s this weren’t bad… plus got me hooked on toaster sized cases.
Amazon PCS on really never fail to yeet my expectations out the window
I love PC case mods. I have recently become a fan of tiny and open air cases. Im going to look into this one. Thanks for another great video.
Shuttle employee here. Shuttle has moved away from the pc gaming market for a long time now and focuses more on professional and industrial computers. As for the R9 pc featured in this video, I'm not quite sure why Amazon wanted this configuration from us but we're not going to complain about a sale. Please note this is from my own personal perspective and not as representative of the company.
I feel his pain. I had a 2011-vintage Shuttle BBC that became "spare" in 2018 and I wanted to see what could be done to "improve" it. First, the Shuttle Mobo is a non-standard form factor like in the video and only supported Socket 775 with DDR2 RAM, SATA-II and USB2. The original CPU was a Dual-Core Celeron, but could be upgraded to Pentium Quad. The big problem was no video card, the system was limited to Intel 4500 graphics. Basically, to make this system even moderately useful for light gaming would have meant throwing out everything but the case and power supply. So the case did support Mini-ITX, but the PSU was a non-standard 250W (like in the video, only weaker). So yeah, it would have been better to toss everything and start over. Oh, and in 2018, DDR2 RAM was like $200 for 8GB! So pretty much useless. You can buy modern pre-built AMD/Radeon Mini PC gaming configurations nowadays for less money than you would spend on upgrading these terrible Shuttle systems. Fun video!
11:05 tesla, hire this man now
i used to have a shuttle in 2005 and this was greatly small and portable, difficult to upgrade, noisy and not standard. The power ended up failing and there was not chance to find spares...despite that I still enjoyed it very much as it fitted on my desk
You are the Bob Ross of Tech RUclipsrs. That is the highest compliment I could think of in the moment. Thank you for all the laughs!
Ah another day, another video riddled with sarcasm from Dawid. Love it.
I haven't used a shuttle case in 20 years, but back in the day they were a pretty darn good small form factor case manufacturer.
I hate computers like this, lurering in unsuspecting timmys with the promise of gaming at a cheaper price then the competition, only to it be a huge scam
Seeing that Shuttle even has got their own software on, they should have known what they were doing. They were the og of shoebox builds, what happened...
Yeah, I think that I would have just tried upgrading the CPU on the existing motherboard. Dawid takes it to the next level!
Could've used ralph wiggum's "I'm learnding!" quote for the brilliant sponsor
I was so excited thinking you would put the i7-7700k CPU on that motherboard :/
I always liked the concept of Shuttle's SFF cases/computers. May be not for a gaming PC, but I did build a media/HTPC with it a long time ago and it was pretty fun. Their recent designs for their "cube" series seem kinda boring though.
That timmybater would be a great upgrade for me!!!
Dawid missed his call as a comedian because I am constantly laughing at his anecdotes and unique "perspectives" in his videos. Like, I come here for solid PC/tech experiences and he delivers, but this guy has me genuinely laughing my ass off with his quips...just brilliant. Rock on dude!
I haven't seen those Shuttle PCs in a long time. It's another way of providing a complete barebones system that you can completely rebuild. Sure it sucks to have a lower Wattage PSU and a proprietary mobo, but it's a good system to get you started to beginner's PC DIY.
the weird BIOS made it hard to accept RAM though, and there's not a lot of space to even try fitting another SSD
I still have one of these Shuttle PC's from around 2009 sitting on a shelf in my workshop. In its day it was serviceable for its purpose. I'm trying to figure a way to gut it and use the case.
The prolonged "Ahhhhhhhhhhh" at 11:50 reminded me each and every moment in my life as a PC service employee when i cut myself in the motherboards shields! And it hurt soooo much!
I had a Shuttle rig back in the day, was a nightmare back then too.
At one point, I had 5 of these various Shuttle PCs that I got used. The cases on all of them looked like they had been crushed by a forklift. Good to know that's just a selling point that comes with them from the factory!
There might be one of those hidden secret Advanced modes in the BIOS where you can overclock.
I spend half your videos laughing! I'm a sucker for sarcasm, which you are a highly skilled technician of. I also appreciate that you do have technical skills as well which always prevail, despite you downplaying them. As a habitual builder myself, I completely understand your drive to be challenged.
Super satisfying video . If only the Timmy was real
Watching this with the same CPU as that computer shipped with. Ironically, the video crashed around half-time.
Watch out for that Gigabyte backdoor in your new setup, Dawid. Turn off the UEFI automatic update download or Skynet will penetrate your glory hole. Always practice safe computing and put an anti-static bag on your dongle when networking with SCSI peripherals. A proper anti-static bag will prevent GUI messes.
Also, I have the same NZXT AIO. I replaced the fans with Noctua NF-12s and it no longer sounds like a jet turbine. It is quiet and serene, with still delicious temps. I think NZXT buys their fans from the Albanian Air Force Surplus. It's a good AIO, the fans are crap.
Literally how I feel everything I work on my pc. This should be easy and fast I tell myself. 15 new problems and 6 hrs later....
This makes me remember my old Shuttle case with a XP1800+ and.. 4200ti I think? Loved that build!
Nice. I had a 4400ti and I think I got a dud card. It never performed like it should have, I swear my Geforce 3 got better framerates. On top of that the colors were really dark.
Ahoy, so a smart car with a great audio system? Shoehorn in a charger drivetrain and a supercharger, then its a smart car that goes 160 mph...still with a great audio system! Very entertaining. Cheers, daveyb
You good sir have mastered the art of an engaging 1st minute. Friggen golden
This whole video I was literally ready to write a comment that you need to invest in a Dremel so you can do things like shorten stand-offs and cut out small pieces of cases. IT'S ABOUT TIME!
This is like one of those life hack videos where the life hack is even harder.
I loved my shuttles. First was an Athlon 64 3200 and 6600GT, then a Core2Duo 6550 and 9600GT, then a i7-920 and radeon 5850. Never had one fail!
David "fixing" the prebuild by keeping only one part and moding another, while the rest is new. Love it!
Pc of Theseus
Dawid uploads bring me happiness
Replacing that horrid fan on the AIO with a noctua might fix the noise issues. The P120/P140 fans that come with NZXT AIOs are pretty terrible.
Love the effort with the dremel
Man, Timmy always gets the short end of the stick from my fav content creators rofl
this is my favorite Dawid video, i dig the mods breh
You know a prebuilt is bad when it takes a new mobo and CPU just to make it decent. And no, not all prebuilts are bad---some of them like the new Omen series are awesome
I actually really like that case, it's simple and understated.
At what point does an _"upgrade"_ become rebuilding an entire system using just the case the computer came in?
I wouldnt say this classifies as an upgrade. 😂
Reminds me of car youtubers that rebuild a burnt out wreck of a car by basically replacing everything apart from the burnt shell and call it patina. Makes for an entertain video.