LIVE: RTX 3090 Overclocking (Air & Liquid Nitrogen)
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- This stream does two things: One, we're testing frequency vs. temperature GPU Boost scaling, two we're overclocking the RTX 3090 FTW3 on air to see if it's useful for an eventual competitive card.
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We will be using the EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 for this overclocking effort. We will also be testing the RTX 3090 Founders Edition card for frequency scaling versus temperature (not overclocking, just GPU Boost alone).
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Host: Steve Burke
Video: Andrew Coleman
“I’m gonna keep my mouth shut until I can do more research because I don’t want to put bad info out there” this is one of the large reasons I watch this channel. Everything I have seen from Steve is incredibly solid and I absolutely dig it.
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It’s more important to know when you don’t know than to know when you know
Well, when you finally get to look into it, call them out for cheaping out a few $ on a $500 card
More like he's afraid someone will crucify him online if he messes up.
@@someoneelse7629 x,c,:v,",b, :,,,,:.:,,,",,.;,
You didn’t need LN2 fog or an AC. You needed to set the RGB to blue.
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Blue RGB hurts my eyes. Red doesn't kill night vision.
shane eslick
He was trying to make it colder. Everyone knows blue is colder than red.
Blue is colder than red; but everyone knows red ones go faster...
And a torch isn't needed to heat the chamber. Just turn the RGB to red.
In the words of his previous stream:
Yeah we can hear you fine
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I love how tech tubers all reference each other - less about competition more about mutual support and benefit to the wider community.
More about who has the information.
The more information you have, the less you want to share.
Those who share, get a shout out.
Jay, Steve and Vince, all play like theyre stiving to be badasses, but theyre just decent dudes who love tech.
@@MichaelOfRohan Agreed, but I don't think it is proprietary information so its not like knowledge is power. It is more polite and respectful whereas i see other communnities where people bandwagon each others content as their own. I like that rather than regurgitate content or positions they say "Jay has a good video on this..." or "Check out Roman's cooling solution".
They are the ones with the 3000 series cards. It's like a big flex on us plebs.
Because they can circle jerk each other all day laughing at us who don't and can't get a graphics card.
@@agrojester1156 stfu with your salty ass comments.
Go geta job, then you can pay whatever it takes to play whatever shitty game you wish you could run.
Moron.
18:37 "sounds like a bandsaw.." and camera zooms onto the paper getting nibbled at by the fan lol
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Steve only hires people with simillar hair to his..
Why does RUclips keep recommending me this random overclocking livestream from 4 years ago?
i know eh lol
Your voice just calmed the hell out of my dog. He was acting crazy all night! Thanks man
I love Steve vs Jay competitions! Two of my favorite RUclips channels.
Jay is insufferable. A manchild. How can anyone like him is beyond me.
Panteleymon Schekochikhin-Krestovozdvizhenskiy some people can’t stand Linus vice versa
I don't like Jay at all. He doesn't have any information, all his videos are full of dumb jokes.
I like linus, jayz2c and GN. I have to be in the mood and focused for GN videos tho. Easy to get lost if you're not paying attention 😂
Rishil Kadakia : but he likes ‚CABLE MANAGEMENT‘. It’s his thing.
Yes, the big tank that says liquid nitrogen on it, is infact liquid nitrogen. Great question, chat.
It does not say liquid nitrogen though. Only nitrogen.
One thing i noticed is that streamers usually pick the stupidest questions to answer, and legit good questions get ignored most of the time
@@broklond I suppose it could be filled with gas. Just like the heads of anyone needing clarification on which state the nitrogen is in. 🤣
@@broklond use your best judgment...
lol room temp nitrogen is just air, like why would we put it in a tank you breath 70% nitro.
What i really learned from this stream - if you need a fan for a short time, use a screwdriver as a stand 👍
Man I remember the old days when Over Clocking actually meant something, you could get real performance boosts out of GPU's and CPU's back then. Now, the cards run at max boost by themselves so OCing is pretty meaningless.
That's a good thing. I found that out with my 3700x.
The algorithm of heat/clock/voltage are so tight, that my final "stable" overclocks end up so close to what the boost can do that it's the first time i just let it "boost" itself. I had a hard time understand this the first time i came across "boost" in gpu.
The little bit extra i could push out, barely equated to any real life performance gain.
I doubled my score in 3dmark 2001 with my GeForce 3 ti200 from Asus with air-cooling alone. It was faster then the slower GeForce 4 cards... Great times.
I mean.. You can OC CPUs to 5ghz+++ on air and gpus by 5-10% core and same memory. RAM goes from 2400 to 3000 and stuff like that... It's not free 10x performance but what is the expectation here? You pay for something and you get more... For free.
And the Athlon XP 1700+ juihib stepping ♥️
Just undervolt
I feel like I gained 10 IQ points from witnessing that cardboard shipping tube used to keep the superlong ethernet cable organized.
I just keep rewatching these. I enjoy listening to your rambling while working, sleeping & eating
I always wanted to put my PC outside when it's -40 and see what my temps would be. Or at least intake cold air from inside through a window or something. Too worried about damaging my parts though.
I'm not an hardware expert but if you take the PC outside be sure to check the humidity, maybe if you live in a dry place it can work! Good luck.
@@L30x It is pretty dry here but I wouldn't risk it 😅
@@L30x He can make a sealed plastic-glass box and put the PC in it, no air will go in or out from it so in the box will be left only the air with normal humidity from the room he used to assemble it, the environmental temperature will do it's job and cool off the box.
The main issue tho, is that -40 degrees is too low for the PC to boot up so he has to heat the PC first and keep it around 0-5 degrees celsius (if he did mean celsius and not fahrenheit).
@@saturnity6 yes it can. enough to damage a pc
@@nobody8685 Air inside this box would already contain water in it
it might be over kill but after a re paste i've almost always taken a shop light ya know the handheld block type set on the table then check the card again lookin for light between the gpu&cooler
"If you have a 30 series, hello to my fellow RUclipsrs." /dead
I feel alienated
I'm definitely gonna overclock my thermal paste.
I just got lucky and found one of these cards in stock at a micro center today (bought it). As I was walking around in the store there was a fella on the phone talking with a friend of his asking the friend if he wanted him to buy the card. As he was doing this I began looking for a store rep to help me get the card out of the locked compartment so I can buy it. 😁
Lol nice! I backordered one here in Canada and it shipped like 5 days later. Couldn't believe how lucky I got!
you lucky bastard
You have integrity and that's one of the main reasons I come here.
The mad scientist experiments are another.
12:20 & 1:26:04 are an example of the correct BoM caps to use to prevent power noise at higher clock frequencies. Some cards unfortunately did not realize the importance of these little caps.
3:32:33 is an example of the use of all MCLL caps.
Edit: There are different types of POSCAPS 220's and 470's and 330's - Higher number has more top voltage (operating range) that also added noise (specific filtering). I used 470's when I replaced the old caps on my PS3 60GB.
1:59:09 Steve reads the official statement from EVGA
2:01:00 Example of pre production with no MCLL caps from EVGA.
Thank you sir
Higher capacitance value doesn't mean it can operate at a higher voltage. The voltage rating is what determines the voltage it can operate at. The capacitance determines the amount of charge the capacitor can carry and therefore the amount of noise filtering it can provide.
@@audaxxx4202 indeed thank you for clarifying that. Does that in turn mean if a capacitor can carry more charge and during that charging cycle results in more noise? Or is it a unique way interfere by harmonious waveform that may cause some sort of destructive frequency in the GPU?
Really interesting to finally see a nitrogen over clocking of a GPU, always thought it was a parlour trick, but I get it a little bit more now, and that it has a legitimate place in demonstrating GPU, and CPU overclocking.
RUclips always brings me to this video once I start falling asleep.
3:02:11 Ohoho, look it's me! Thanks for answering my question.
To those wondering, yes an 8700k @5GHz will be bottlenecked by the 3090. Looks to be by around ~4-10%
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"prices might go down over time" woo. Those were the days
Just watched this whole vid and have no clue at all how 4 hours just went that fast
Am currently sleeping through it
Wish I could have been there for this one!.. Great job as always broski!
For the person asking why Steve uses vas instead of dielectric grease, is price... Same functionality, but vas is WAY cheaper, lol.
Dielectric grease isn't practical, cost wise for high volume like routine LN2 overclocking.
it pumps it directly into the visual cortex lmao
DUDE! i love your channel. You guys are the best. I listen to you and linus and others while I work from home. Thank you for making my days bareable with great content
So happy I decided to watch this now, managed to jump on the mouse mat! I had just emailed you guys about that the other day, I was expecting it to be a christmas present to me from me. Thanks! looking forward to RIPGN/Jayz
Edit: got it on Friday, this thing is great!
No, you multiply the eyes by one another: 12fps x 12fps = 144fps - Boom.
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FPS ²
Gamers Nexus such a sympathical Dude!! Greets from Europe :D
I’m so skimpy with my materials. Steve triggers my metaphorical OCD every time he dumps a gallon of nitrogen on the floor rather than just use a fat funnel or something.
Oh yes!!! #RIPJAY vs #RIPGN is on baby!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Can't wait for the liquid cooled on ice / dry ice and the grand finale on liquid Nitrogen!!! 🥶
That moment when Steve talks about messing around with 'old hardware' and lists the components in your daily driver....
“Just vaseline for insulation” @4:35 Nailed it. Just learning the ropes. 🤣
That shirt is bad ass. Still waiting on mine to come in the mail. Your people assured me its coming.
I was just thinking. If you used CO2 instead of nitrogen, you could still cool the chip while enriching the indoor atmosphere for growing certain types of plants.
At least Stov paid for all the Liquid Nitrogen on the floor 😅
Steve is a man of culture liking Trivium
Here are excerpts from a couple of Igor's Lab articles on the 3080/90 ...
"Igor's Lab Aug 27, 2020 = NVIDIA has also completely sealed off the evaluation drivers this time. I don’t even think Furmark, let alone Time Spy, is running anymore, but only NVPunish (a stress testing program) for the thermal tests... from a board partner’s point of view it is of course quite strange when you produce something you don’t even know how fast it will be in the end.
Igor's Lab Sept 25, 2020 - “reference board” PG132, which can also be understood as a so-called Base Design. Especially the backside and especially the area below the BGA is interesting. What is interesting about such drawings and the so-called BoM (Bill of Materials) is that you are offered different placement alternatives.
Below the BGA we see the six NECESSARY capacitors for filtering high frequencies on the voltage rails, i.e. NVVDD and MSVDD.
The BoM and the drawing from June leave it open whether large-area POSCAPs (Conductive Polymer Tantalum Solid Capacitors) are used (marked in red), or rather the somewhat more expensive MLCCs (Multilayer Ceramic Chip Capacitor).
...According to the list and specifications of Nvidia, both are possible...
This also applies to the question of whether the BoM was subsequently changed again to completely exclude the exclusive use of POSCAPs/SP-CAPs."
From reading the full articles it sure sounds like Nvidia may not have provided working drivers to AIB partners until late in the development process and may have known about capacitor issues, since the FE cards have 4 poscaps and 2 mlcc's ... but it appears the BoM may at one point indicated that 6 poscaps would work? Would love if GN could confirm any of what is in Igor's work and if I am reading it correctly?
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You could get an extra 100Mhz on the GPU with an RGB strip on the PSU.
I have one of the shirts i've never worn it. I keep it in the back of your closet. I've been with you since 600,000 subs. No one can beat your technical experience. You fkn owned Linus. That was kinda funny to me. He knows your always right.
Fall asleep ALWAYS end up here.
how do i get youtube to stop showing me this video like it's the world's default auto play video? this is driving me bonkers
Wow just casually pouring liquid nitrogen into multiple bottles with no protective gloves on his hands 😅 no fear!
Liquid nitrogen won't burn you with brief hand contact. The Leidenfrost Effect + water's heat capacity means humans can (briefly) touch things like molten metal streams without being burned. The King of Random has a video on here of him throwing it into his own face.
You do want to wear gloves when handling liquid N2 if exposure can occur while grasping or carrying something heavy or over long distances, if only because you'll tend to clench rather than do a careful set down. Also, you definitely do NOT want to wear just *any* gloves. They'll trap the stuff and burn you.
Same, just woke up man.
I'm really interested in seeing the performance metrics comparing a 2080 (or Ti) overclocked to a 3080's power draw and a 3080 underclocked to match a 2080(/Ti)'s power draw, and compare the performance of the two when power levels are equal.
RUclips algorithm going hard with this one. 😂
If I let RUclips just play, it always plays this video eventually.
same
same lmao
same bro
Yep same this is how I ended up here. 😅
1996 wants there benchmarks back
Your videos are always excellent. Keep it up!
Is this live?
:P
I always miss these live. Damn it Janet!
Regarding the plastic backplate: you might actually be surprised. I'm not saying it works, but don't discount it on principle; look up AN11113 from Nexperia regarding thermal design for LFPAK MOSFETs. It's now obsoleted as a design guide, but the data remains interesting. They tested black plastic, bare aluminum, and black anodized aluminum as enclosure materials in contact with the PCB assembly and found that plastic still has a significant heat sinking effect particularly in topside configurations, and may actually outperform polished aluminum in some circumstances due to superior radiation.
To anyone looking for the quake 2 (quake2) demo command:
timedemo 1
demo q2demo1.dm2
I always wake up to gamernexus overclocking some shit on stream lmao
Steve skipped my Superchat for another viewer who spent more money. I thought Steve wasn't a shill. It shouldn't matter that one viewer spent $120 and another spent $20. I expected better ethics from Steve. I stood in line but he walked past me. I was planning to do several Superchat's but decided to turn off RUclips. I forgive Steve. I'm not perfect either.
Fyi. I had bought two mouse pads during the live stream and I previously bought the 2.0 GN tool set, Medium mouse mat that I plan to sell on eBay before Christmas along with a mouse pad and a few surprises in the shipment. Whoever wins will get more than they expected. GN, LTT, Jayztwocent, TechDeals, Carey Holzman have been a huge help. learned a lot.
1:23:20 di0eelectric grease is just silicone grease and when sold by that name you can get large amounts for cheap. its also O-ring grease.
YOOOOO! Hilltop Hoods! Shout out from the "City Of Light" Seriously though, that totally caught me off guard, locally I wouldn't bat an eyelid at someone being a Hoods fan it's practically expected :P , they're straight up legends here in their home town of Adelaide, but it always excites me a little to see an international fan, not that I don't know they've done well abroad, it's just a little different is all.
When the cards released i think the power circuitry was an issue with certain brands. Not sure if this was fixed but 2 months later ive picked up an EVGA RTX3090 Gaming ULTRA and it has two of the weaker caps. Even though it draws the most power stock. Whatever optimisations needed to happen have obviously taken place as my card has been fine(the card lasted just over a month, i went with the asus tuf 3090). Although if i dont set a fps limit the card will crash to desktop when streaming. ^^
Do you think some of the add in board partners will start to adopt Nvidia's new split cooler design by making the back half of the cooler a blower style to remove some heat completely out the back and then using the front fan or "fans" to blow the remaining heat out the sides instead of Nvidia's pass-through design? :/
3:02:15 epic cool reaction to the frozen safety valve 😂👌
Amazing to think i was watching this before i could even get a 3090, and now i've had one for well over a year.. Yikes! Where did 2021 go, bro?
@Gamers Nexus have you ever considered using a hydrophobic fluid to seal your hardware from water at a nano level
Steve paid RUclips to start this video automatically after other tech videos?
You could start a PC technician class on the side. you'd need to come up with a full course, outline, task credit weights and a few other things and present it to a school and gain a percent of each tuition paid to take it.
@GAMERSNEXUS Investigation into how sleeping people are boosting GN views required.
literally me, and my insomnia boosting the view count
lol thought ln2 was flamable but it was somethin else i was thinkin of was like noooo don't blow your face up lol
Get one of those cheap window a/c units, gut it and put the evaporator right in front of the gpu with a bunch of fans on it.
What is the max power draw on the Evga Rtx 3090 ftw3 on O.C. mod when you max out the power slider? Haven't heard any info about that on video.
3:45:38 for those interested in seeing why I'd pay $5 to ask when the next graphics vid from Andrew will be - check out Ask GN 100 and scroll to the question at 17:58 "Is Ray Tracing Actually Beneficial?"
It's a crime against technology that it's been 2 year since he's been on xD
edit: he was also featured in a video on ray tracing last February (part 1 of a ? part series called "100% Ray-Traced Game" [this installment titled "Faking RTX Global Illuminations vs RTX"] - so maybe Steve's talking about part 2 in his answer.)
for the three of you that don't already know you shouldn't edit comments given a "heart" - this comment actually received a heart from GN but I edited it and lost the heart xD edited again to bring it back to the original but the damage was done. Let that be a lesson to you!
Man I am being recommended this video for what feels like months now what the f RUclips..
How much was the peak power consumption?
My Gigabyte Gaming RTX 3080 has 6 of these crappy caps!!
Ya funny how all tech channels missed this flaw huh?
Thanks!
35:53 close up shot of the LTT water bottle, and also maybe a Der8auer gpu pot.
THANK YOU STEVE
It's fine and doesn't really matter as human eye can't see more than 12 fps anyway....
But because we have 2 eyes its actually 24fps 😊
We can feel and hear more though.
Also 12 is an average.
A measly, married, homely average.
"remember Joe got the record not Steve. So he still has to do his" ;) #ripgn ahaha. Love the chanel man. Between you, Jay and Linus. My RUclips is filled with content ♥️
Btw let's see if you beat that 9Th place score on Port Royal 🤣
@@havarti74? We just placed a 4th place score.
@@GamersNexus As of now I see Jayz has 4th place! Don't see GN on the Leaderboard at all! Did you upload your score??
@Deep Thought you do realize that Linus and his business is Canadian, right?
@@GamersNexus I fell asleep before I saw the scores and the site was down when I went to check! But good to know! Keep pushing for that 1st! I'll be watching!
GIMME SOME TOTS!!! I remember a post on Twitter I think? Where you and Joe were eating tots but I doubt that's where it started. I'm guessing it was in full swing by then.
Loved the stream, I have a 1070 strix, I am thinking of the new 3080 strix, but now I'm worried about these capacitors issue.
3080 STRIX (as well as TUF) has 6 sets of MLCCs, no POSCAPS. Check der8auer for his STRIX "quick look" teardown vid. He doesn't talk about it, but you can see the capacitors on the card's backside around the 4 minute mark of the video.
@@efovex thanks!
Your videos are somehow a better fight against insomnia than a valorant stream
This live was truly amazing
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Congratulations ! You just created an Amazon warehouse video card with a like new rating !
First I've seen this video. Cool stuff even if it's 3 years ago. 🤙 Still rocking my 1070 to this day. (I really need to lay her down to rest.)
The days of overclocking being a good skill outside of competitions is gone.ast good overclocking was the 700 series
not as crazy as the A/c hook-up but close😄
Congratulations on 1 million subs!!! Love the T shirt!!!
My niche for PC overclocking has unfortunately become even nichier.. I no longer care as much about performance under good cooling conditions and am now focused on stability under load in the worst cooling conditions. Put your rig in a Texas closet without air conditioning then tell me your scores...unless you're trying to set a leaderboard record, then screw it go all out lol
Somebody really needs to let that snake out of the LN2 tank.
@@shadowbanned4051 Talk about cold blooded bastard, -195C and he's still kicking
The reference board you shown, it strikes me that it's bigger than the whole motherboard from an Apple laptop, when I watch Louis Rossman's channel I'm always blown away at how tiny the motherboards are in laptops these days.
Fell asleep watching this and then dreamt that Steve and Jay were my high school physics and chem teachers
Nice
Nice.
@@GoldenHeartNecklace Nice.
The RUclips channel "Tech Ingredients" built a cheap anechoic chamber that works pretty well!
This dude is a genius
//- That shirt is wicked bro -
\\- Yes you only need gloves if there's an accident
When you were pushing the memory speeds, wouldn't it always apply even if it's erroring with this G6X VRAM? Or is it still possible to crash the card and it only handles artifacting? Jc
not always, but mostly it would worsen performence, because it takes more cycles to error correct.
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me and me shut up already
You like EVGA Precision more the MSI Afterburner?
RUclips will try to try autoplay this for me any chance It gets. I have watched it fully once.
It autoplayed in background for me when I was sleeping
If you point the fan at the card and not away from the card it may cool the memory better.
is that a uline industrrial packing table with maple top