Intel just delivered a KO to Ryzen...
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2021
- The wait is over! Intel vs AMD, the epic battle continues!
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Me who can't afford any of these new hardware: "Damn finally, some competition."
I feel the same.
It does mean old hardware will suddenly be cheaper!
The majority of consumers wont be buying these. Intel lost a good chunk of their market due to pricing. AMD started offering competitive hardware, at a cheaper price, and that's what matters.
Jay assumes people are buying Windows 11... 🤣. Windows 11 will be a minority for another 2-3 years.
@@TMHedgehog whenever that happens lol
@@mangaas i am thinking that most of the gains that intel made may be from ddr5, but it's great for them to come back!
one of the big problems i see going back to team blue, is the consistent changing of the CPU socket standards. its kinda cool to be able to upgrade without an absolute requirement to change the mobo
Amen
Tbh, starting with the idea that i don't upgrade more often than necessary, by the time i retire a processor, it's mobo won't be useful anymore. Keep the pcie cards, keep the ssds, maybe keep the ram.
Buying into AM4 with Ryzen 5000 means this srtup will be run and put to work and forgotten about the specs until it becomes a liability to not buid something new. By that time, am4 is proper retired...
This mostly means that on a given upgrade cycle, sometimes it's worth getting a higher spec cpu, saving a bit of hassle in daily use over a few years, regardless of platform...
@@seven9766 Yeah IMO CPU is something you need to upgrade only once per DDR generation. Like I bought 5820k back in 2015 with DDR4. Now I will buy Zen 4 6900x or 12900k and will run it till DDR6.
Agreed but also isn't this last time that AMD will be AM4?
If the architecture changed then the socket would probably change too for further optimization, it is just how CPUs work, LGA sockets don't actually change too often unless there is a newer gen with different specs that the previous socket cannot support.
I’ll wait to see what AMD pulls out of the hat when they launch. Considering I’m never an early adopter of new tech, it will be interesting to watch the next few months play out between AMD and Intel. It’s so exciting!!!
Same here! I'll never be an early adopter of new hardware, which is why I was totally ok with buying a gaming laptop (that needs to last me 5 years) with the latest gen of amd cpu rather than waiting for the new stuff to come out. I'll take the best of this generation and upgrade once the new stuff gets closer to perfection after a few years
The earliest tech I had was from 2018 (3 years out of date) and it died within a year (older AMD 3400g from China). Now I'm back to a 775 socket Intel Core 2 Quad Q9560 great CPU for it's time (launch date was 08?).
Does not play modern games so I went back to STEAM retro 32 bit gaming for now.
I think the Amd Ryzen 6000 series processors are on the way. But most Pc builders say that there's no way till 2023. I think it'll be having the Amd AM5 CPU Socket, ddr5 and pcie gen5. Okay, let's wait till the new beasts come out.
yessir 12900 k minimums are low if u watch steves review at gamers nexxus if that doesn't get fixed intel will lose again for sure trying to bring mobile cores into desktop territory sounds like an intel move cheap bastards AMD said they were sticking with regular cores and i must say sounds more appealing as a gamer where minimum fps drops can cause noticeable stuttering in games ehhh try again intel ....
@@NeonTetraAquarist - I'm the same with tech. I buy the nice stuff with the intention of 4 or 5 years.
Would be interesting to see an analysis on how DDR5 contributes to the outstanding performance of Alder Lake. I would say that the “KO” Intel dealt to AMD is based on a caveat that DDR5 is helping Intel until we can compare Alder Lake with a DDR5 compatible Zen 4.
Right on. It’s not a pure CPU comparison. It’s cool to see with DDR5 Intel is very fast, but based on my experience RAM speed has a significant effect on synthetic benchmarks.
Already been done on other youtube channels. Some have said DDR 4 Alderlake boards using tight memory timings can actually slightly outperform the ddr5 in a few cases. so difference in ddr 4 and 5 right now in terms of real world speed is barely nothing. By the way this is only the first jab by intel...........the knock out blow will come sometime next year when RAPTOR lake comes out then Meteor Lake Lunar lake and there are others after that.. Intel has plans to slowly up their game using the same 1700 pin socket.
Yeah if a mobo droped amd ddr5 it would be bomb
Given how much AMD is RAM timing and latency dependent, I would assume that AMD would actually lose performance on DDR5 which is why I assume they did not originally intend to bring it to AM5s first chipset. It will take 2-3 gen DDR5 to get the timings under control as it was back with DDR4 at which point AMD would probably go head to head in this particular case.
But for now being forced to support DDR5 just for marketing, they might have caused themself some problems at least on the market reaction side from people that have not the deep hardware understanding to grasp how future DDR5 generations can change the reality in favor of AMD no matter what the initial situation was.
Checkout hardware unboxed's review that compares ddr 4 with 5. Spoiler: The performance uplift isn't much to write home about in most cases and in some apps DDR 4 is better.
Also Intel delivered a KO to the PSU and cooler....
And electric bill.
Cooler yes psu nah
Nope, the 12900k is barely better at 140w+. I've seen the scores and it proves that power limit to 140w is barely worse compared to non-power limited 205w. Also, Intel runs cooler than Amd at comparable wattage and even if it draws higher power. If you want proof, I can provide that too.
@@GanAirf kk
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@@GanAirf pc noob here…how do you get it to run at 140watts? Do you set the voltage offset really high or lower the core voltage?
Good to see some competition in the CPU market. We all know that when a single company dominates any market, both prices and policies get out of hand. And the consumers can't do much because there is no alternative product they can buy instead (at least one that performs the same as the dominant one).
i cant wait to see how AMDs refresh stacks up. the next 2 years are going to be awesome i think
Yeah, the moment AMD felt an advantage it cranked the 5xxx prices. It's gonna bite them in the ass now.
RIP my peasant 5800x
@@deminybs Calling a 5800X "peasant" can only be described as "heights of sarcasm" (I know you are saying that in comparison to the Alder Lake CPUs but I feel that's over exaggerated especially when I compare it to my own setup).
Look at me, I'm still running a R5 3600 and a GTX 1660 super. 😅😔
Can't wait for the silicon shortage to end so I can finally upgrade.
@@deminybs I love my 5800x.
I'm happy with my systems. I decommissioned my 8 yr old i7 3770k in my LAN PC with a new system with a B550i motherboard with Ryzen 5600X - such a great upgrade. My i7 8700K system had a weird power short that damaged everything so I replaced it with a Ryzen 5900X. These were my first AMD chips in a while and I've been very pleased. I don't plan on upgrading CPUs anytime in the next few years.
Same... at least till the pandemic/shortage issues resolve or subside... I got myself a Zen 2 CPU Ryzen 7 2700X, 16GBx2 3200Mhz RAM, Gigabyte B450 Gaming MOBO with a RX6600XT... It's not the top of the line BUT with the budget I got, This will serve me well enough for years to come... I consider myself lucky to even got this setup with all the pricing bat shits all over the place... Cheers!! PS: 650watts PSU is more than enough for this rig...
Smart move.
@Casual Scum I wouldn't call it obsolete. It's just becoming more of a midrange pc. I have a Zen 2 2700x CPU with a 5700xt GPU and I think I'll give it another year or two. (Probably max 2) I built mine around the same time as you.
Same, replaced my 3570k + 32GB of 1600 with a 5800x + 64GB of 3600 and got a good deal including the CPU being 20% off. Can't complain. Just need a better GPU for that G2 headset... 1080 is kinda tight fit for that.
Enable pbo2 on ryzen 5000 and the performance gains on Alder Lake get negated albeit at the same power usage and temps.
Wow, did not expect this much performance on Intel's side. Competition is great.
I just did a quick blender bench on my 5950X on an old bloated windows install, it pulls the same numbers as the 12900K stock.
Cool story, but who asked?
LMAO yeah buddy nobody asked :)
@@frostygoogle9268 idk he has 19 likes u guys have 0
Wouldn’t call it a “KO” when you factor in the price premium for the motherboard, RAM and the ungodly amount of cooling you’re going to need.
exactly more like after 10 rounds we have a winner by a narrow margin
120$ for mother board and 12600kf for 380$. canadian btw. it's cheap
@@Thescrubshow you missed the DDR5, cooling and PSU my guy
@@Thescrubshow That motherboard must be pretty bad. ITX by any chance?
DDR5 RAM will be at least £100+ for 16 GB
New PSU's (1200w plat's anyway) are like £250.
AIO's or custom water loops cost £150-£250.
Plus the CPU, £500.
That's almost a £1000 (not including a decent mobo, which is at least £200) upgrade for, let's be real, not a massive boost in performance. It's not worth it. Not until DDR5 is a regular option and cheaper, or the 12th gens get more refined for cooling and power usage. Couldn't be further from a KO if it tried.
@@shadowdraxx ddr5 cooling? what does the PSU have to do with the cpu? Also you can use ddr4 memory with the 12th gen CPU's
I’m kind of hesitant to get 12th gen cpus because of those software incompatibility issues. I would like to see more tests done on which applications and old games won’t work with these cpus
Good to see a 2021 cpu beating a 2020 Cpu. It's amazing, oh wait....
As an 8700k owner I am going to wait one more generation for a few reasons:
1. Windows 11
2. Faster and cheaper DDR5
3. Zen 4
I also have an 8700k and im holding out for the same reasons.
lmao nobody asked
@@robman0865 Ratio.
i7 6700k. Still holding out too.
I just finished my first build with an i7-10700kf. Its awesome and I hope I get a solid 5 years before I have to upgrade. The only reason I went Intel over AMD was price. In NZ Ryzen is consistently more expensive than Intel, a 3700x is $50 less than a i9-10900. the 11900 is the same price as the 5800x and the cheapest ryzen 9 is over $850. I want this battle to continue so I can get the price product at the cheapest price.
Every reviewer: "This is a furnace!
Jay: "I am seeing 70C" 🤷♂️
Which is still hot 😂 if it was f then it pretty Luke warm
Jay mentioned that he's keeping Intel to the out of box settings and is running a 360 rad with 100% fans. I don't know yet what other reviewers were running, but it will be interesting to see how that compares.
@@ericepperson8409 linus did the same with an nhd15 and it was in the 90 stock. it is indeed a furnance if u need a 360 rad only to keep it under 80 in heavy load
@@chriswright8074 no its not. my 8 year old intel cpu was going 95C every day for 7 years and still works fine... 70 is good on full performance. idle under 20 is amazing as well.
@@kuma8030 that was because all the limits were off on it
I wonder how viable this could would be as a video encoder on its own in something like a stream PC setup or dual system chassis. Being able to switch between energy efficiency and performance on a hardware level could be interesting for quality of life.
If you're streaming, you should probably use GPU encoding
@@daniellundberg2875 a little harder to get a gpu and a cpu in tandem these days, and if this is a more energy efficient solution without sacrificing quality so that you don't have to offload that kind of overhead onto your gpu, then it could be a decent option for mid range streamers with older cards.
Sticking with AMD. I think they've been on a great path with the recent gens and I'm excited to see what they do with their next release. I don't think they're sweating this Intel release at all, more so I think Intel is trying to keep up in an attempt to leapfrog past AMD's chips, which could potentially fall short every time until AMD trips over their own choices/success and allows Intel to make a significant move past them.
I cant wait for a true comparison when amd releases their DDR5 enabled processors , Jay talks of cost difference of the 5950x vs the 12900k which i believe would be more of a proper cost to comparison when you add the cost of new motherboard and ddr5. I would love to see the 12900k vs the 5900x on a intel 12thgen DDR4 motherboard.
You’re comparing cpu. Why does the cost of mobo and ram matter.
@@damian02161986 because you can not use a cpu without those. so looking at the complete system can make sense. if you already have the plattform, sure, disregard it, else it is a factor one should at least consider.
@@damian02161986 it’s a cope because intel is on top again. People just cant be happy that theres competition again and still resort to fanboyism. I use Ryzen atm so no Im not an intel fanboy.
@@MrLemmiwinks91 Nothing to do with being a FAN I am like Jay I buy the best on the market when I upgrade Intel, Nvidia, AMD who cares the ones that best is the one I get.
But I agree as long the intel runs on DDR5 and PCI gen 5 vs DDR4 and PCI gen 4 for the AMD the AMD sits as a disadvantage meaning we don't actually know how much better the Intel actually is until we make the ram and PCI the same in some way,
But I look forward to more competition.
Hardware unboxed did their review with both ddr4 3200 and ddr5 6000. The performance is basically the same even with high end ddr5. some applications do benefit from ddr5 though
With how CPU intensive MSFS is, I'd love to see those benchmarks.
Check out LTT (Linus tech tips). They tested Flight Sim.
@@aliabdullahsadiq AMD would be better in Microsoft flight simulator (marginally)
MSFS and flight simming in general remains the biggest enigma in gaming.
(“Why can’t you be normal!?”)
What ali said, ltt did it and basically said it was all over the place
@@drewallen1533 Because of Windows 11
Oddly, I trust AMD to do a couple things: 1) provide, with board partners, a more affordable and upgradable platform, and 2) that they will continue to innovate while keeping the overall power draw down. I prefer ITX builds so knowing that I have a capable CPU that doesn't require an AIO or water cooling is a plus.
Can you explain to me why power draw matters? Couldnt you upgrade / build with a higher capacity PSU?
@@arghonandi6818 More power = more heat = more fans = more noise.
@@arghonandi6818 Hmmm, I guess he pays his own power bill.....
@@HadleyTheGreat Yeah more heat is usually a bigger issue than more noise, cause Noctua Fans give you a lot of AIR with barely any noise.
@@astranger448 or maybe he's broke lol
You said that this was a price comparison. But I would like to see the total price of the system you have for both setups. My (limited) understanding is that the 12900k needs more expensive RAM, Motherboard and PSU. Correct?
Lol not to mention a badass cooler for the heater of a chip
The power supply will be fine as a rule. I normally go with a 1000 to 1200 watt power supply anyway. From what I have seen from some of the reviewers is that you would need a good to high end cooler to keep it cool. But time will tell on that. The high heat loads alot of the reviewers was seeing maybe early Bios problems. That is one more reason not to jump till all the major bugs are worked out.
And the battle continues! I can't wait to see the next generation of Ryzen performance now!
I built a 5600x system last January, so not going to upgrade to Intel any time soon. If AMD delivers a new cpu for the X570 boards that will be there best option for current users.
@@PaulRohrbaugh it wont. the 5000 series was the last AM4 chip. The next will be 5nm on a diff board.
@@sabrevanson4412 next 3d v-cache is am4
@@sabrevanson4412 nope 3d vache
And not long after that, how the next generation of Intel performs
I feel like people are missing the fact that this comparison is with a product that's been out for more than a year. And its successor is right around the corner.
And that’s just a small update.
Plus intel eats a lot more power
Hey Jay, I also had the same issue with 3D Mark on my build with the Windows 11 Insider Program OS. Like you did, I tried with steam closed, and steam opened. I was thinking it was more related to 3D Mark's latest update.
Thank you for this Video, I was very intrigued about this CPU and how the system would know what core to assign a program too (P Core or E Core), and this was very well answered and give me more food for thought, Thanks Again.
I saw an article that shows the intel has significantly higher power consumption as well when pushed. It was slightly faster than the 5950 in some tasks
but also drew another 100W more for the small gain..
Intel was running at 240w while AMD was deliberately limited to 100w...
@@neiliewheeliebin lol
@@doplere6364 Sad thing is it's not a joke that was the benchmark Intel released themselves
@@neiliewheeliebin that’s wild. I wonder how AMD is able to get their wattages down. Even their GPU’s run cooler than Nvidia cards
Actually, it is worse than that. They said it is 30% faster than the 5950x, but it was also consuming 240% more power.
Furthermore, they specifically used a version of windows where the Ryzen cache performance had NOT been patched yet, essentially hamstringing the Ryzen.
I'm really surprised to see Jay make this video, because it is fully bullshit. Intel's comparison was patently dishonest, and even main stream outlets called it out immediately.
It's also an almost $670 MSRP, vs the 5950s inflated $750 MSRP.
So, it's probably 15% faster on patched windows, uses more than TWICE as much power, costs almost as much, and you'll need to buy a significantly more expensive motherboard to boot.
I'm all set on Intel, thanks.
good to see intel actually do an upgrade for once, excited to see what AMD does in response
Ryzen 6000 series is already in production with expected release in first half of 2022.
Not to mention Intel doing amazing research and development to fit all that in that gigantic box at a low price? 😅
This plus the weird behavior in Windows 11 with Ryzen CPUs, I really hope MS & AMD can get those issues cleared up
AMD is dying, kid - they will have the same terrible Bulldozer Engineers.
@@KNIGHTSFALLN January release date*
So I'll need the Starkiller base technology of harnessing the power of the nearest star in order to power the 12900k for minimal performance increase?
As for me, I just switched to team red this generation. Intel had their chance with me and it'll be a while before i consider going back.
@Casual Scum
Haha yeah, I just bought a 10600k about 2 months ago and I’m happy with it, regardless of new hardware. Just have to keep everything in perspective, you don’t NEED the newest hardware.
Heck, no game I’ve played yet has even used more than 50% of my CPU and I’m running a 3060 gpu.
I went Team Red 3900x last year. A month later the 3900XT was released and 5900X shortly after. That was annoying but my philosophy is that you buy a new computer when you need one. And I needed one (self employed). Will be watching Team Blue vs Red pan out and see who is winning when i feel the need for a new machine. Definitely don't think it is worth an unforced upgrade right now.
Is this not just the free performance gains from going to DDR5 ?
Would love to find/see a DDR4 12 gen Intel vs Ryzen 5000....
Check out Hardware Unboxed review. They go very in depth on that aspect
KO or just a counter punch? I really don't think AMD is down for the count.
gamer's nexus believes a lot of this lead is the DDR5. If that's true and AMD releases DDR5 next, then it's possible they'll take back the performance again. And I've already seen it's neck and neck with the 5950x, but uses far more electricity.
it's not a ko title is bs
Agreed AM5 with 3d cash and 5nm well have to see what happens the whispers in the grape vines is 1st gen of AM5 25% to 35% IPC gain and that's coming in a few of months so I'm eagerly waiting to see when the next hammer drops. and like Ryzen maturing Intel 2nd gen of this new arcetextur will hopefully throw down again.
They are for awhile at least. Intel is bringing out 13th & 14th gen all within 18 months w/ massive IPC improvements & core counts. AMD is in trouble if Zen 4 is all they are releasing early 2023.
@@ThaexakaMavro Absolut exaggeration, indeed. And the numbers are way more one sided for intel if i compare it to GN, HU, PH and LTT.
In my area the 5950X would have been way more suited for comparison regarding pricing: 5900X=520€ 12900K=650€ 5950X=720€
With this being a hybrid I can only imagine the odd issues that will occur post launch. I don't play to build another machine for another 2 years so let the 13xxx and 14xxx release and by that time stuff will probably stabilize.
In a way this is Intel’s Ryzen 1000 series. They have alot of things to resolve from drivers, to Windows 11 to new DDR5 to PCIe gen 5, so many new things that there are definitely oddities here and there. However just like AMD’s Ryzen 3000 is actually very recommendable and stable, the real test will be on their 13xxx or 14xxx for Intel.
The main takeaway is that, despite all that, Intel 12xxx does claim the top spot again, so its already better start compared to Ryzen 1000. Despite AMD chipping away, Intel is still quite dominant in things like, what stock mounting the cooler comes from so AMD probably will need to play the value card again now.
Yup I'm siting pretty with 3900X on a ROG Strix X570-E Gaming with 64gb corsair 3200 Vengeance RGB ram I got another 3 years maybe more before I feel the need to start upgrading. I can only imagine what that's hardware is going to be like. Hopefully we have a new president that cares about people working and gets are economy pumping again and cost are not mega over inflated..
LOL, at the rate things are going now, the 14900k (and any AMD equivalent) will probably cost $2k for the chip alone! The high end PC gaming industry is slowly starting to price itself out of existence! :(
@@SuperGokuSon Tbh, most of the time you will need your GPU upgraded first before you ever need the CPU so even as the AMD vs Intel fight it out, you don't NEED to upgrade it right now. You will also need to be playing newer games, and probably upgrading to 4K or something to take advantage of the extra GPU power. I'm on 3600x and 2070 Super, so probably will only check on it when 4000 or 5000 series dropping in.... which is probably in like 2 or 3 years at the rate thing is going.
But aside from that, this is probably exciting time for tech journalist since now they have alot of things to test, and makes worthwhile content out of. Its also a better-than-expected start for Intel, since they don't even need to play the Value card too for a literal start of new generation.
@@ArchusKanzaki I know people that still Rock 780s and are totally content with it at 1080p or even 1440p youre fine with your 2000 cards I have an rx6800 and its Total overkill for pretty much anything I do... best and worst upgrade I ever made
It's great to see more innovation. But, as far as gaming goes, we need some real innovation from the programmers to create engines that use multi threading and multi gpu. It's sad that most games use just one thread for the game and one other for sound. So much untapped power sitting in PCs from even 5 years ago. But, there really isn't any motivation to change for the game companies.
Considering how much power 12th gen uses, the performance gains are pretty linear. Alder Lake basically has no headroom, it's running close to redline all the time.
Same power usage when gaming as the 5950x
Not alderlake, only the i9, which has been a trend among Intel CPUs for basically forever. Its barely better at 205w compared to 140w power limit.
What was the power draw during the tests tho? AMD 5900X rated at 105W stock while the 12900K rated at 241W stock. So what was it hitting when overclocked? Over 300W would be my guess. I have a 5600X which is 65W but overclocked I see 92W draw during benchmarks.
Intel is doing the same trick Nvidea is doing : We need more speed so just increase the power draw. But it is faster and I think this because they increased the l3 cache and they have faster clock speeds. It is a valid victory for Intel just with a big *.
Leaks says that 12900k after 5.3ghz oc pulls 400+W
@@j4ck3t indeed a big * since its a newer gen vs and older one plus all that shit
If you want raw performance Intel beats AMD, but in terms of performance to power draw to price (+Mainboards) AMD still has the advantage.
My 5950x at 4.8ghz says on hwinfo uses 145W for me.
i stick with my 5900X but i have to say, well done Intel. this is what we need to also prevent AMD to lean back, they have to deliver now
Maybe fairer to say they have to keep delivering, it's not like they've been doing a bad job
It's not like the 5900X suddenly became bad lol. I use the R9 5900X myself and I love it.
It's great to see some competition from both sides. Makes things more interesting, and also gives you more options to choose from if both products being compared are good enough.
This is great news for anyone who loves tech stuff :D
Same here, Intel did a good job on their performance but I'm curious what AMD will bring next. Though for me, I probably will wait till the next generation to release. Hopefully with pricing becoming a bit better for their Motherboards and DDR5.
5800X here, We both are very well settled for many years to come. But its indeed exciting to see the competition flying now. Our next cpu upgrade will be much better!
oh i am totally happy wit my 5900X, its a beast and i will have it for several years before i think of uprading. but even as AMD fan i say job well done Intel. in the end this competition will benefit us all
Was just about to build an 11th gen rig. I am so happy I decided to go to Microcenter and return my MOBO, RAM and CPU. It was only $100 dollars more to upgrade to Alder Lake and DDR5 RAM. I got the last 16 GB's that Microcenter Denver had.
would cool to see you run the 12900k on ddr4 to see what we could expect in memory performance uplift alone when ryzen moves to ddr5
Hardware unboxed have done that comparison. Worth a watch
Uhhh nope Intel doesnt Ram scale pretty much at all
Intel you see what 2% increase DDR4 vs DDR5
But AMD you can see a good 30% from using 4 Ranks of memory and 3800MHz over 2 Ranks / 8 Ranks at 2666MHz
Ryzen performs better in 4 Ranks that is sides of memory not number of sticks
1 Ram stick can have 1 or 2 Ranks
2x32GB ram sticks is always 4 Ranks total
4x16GB can be either 4 Rank or 8 Rank with 8 Rank having less performance
But JayzBScentz has pissed me of with this video and the power video
5900x vs 12900k… being stupid for 2 full video’s
@@commanderoof4578 well amd hasn't launched 6000 series so this is what we can compare right now.
@@etherealmonk007 uhh no he fucked up and didn’t compare the 5950x this video and the one after are void
@@commanderoof4578 yea I agree with you but 5900x and 5950x gives pretty close performance.
Hi jay, can you test the i5 12600k iGPU with DDR5 vs ryzen 5600g & 5700g?
I feel like the DDR5 made some sort of impact and while it says all stock i'm curious if PBO was disabled? It's weird cause your 5900x scores for cinebench are 10-20% lower than most averages you see posted online..
It seems a lot of reviewers left the 5900x/5950x "stock" without PBO which really hurts workloads like that.
@@VanillaWahlberg we need to head to Reddit maybe
@@VanillaWahlberg but on the other hand they can show that stock 5950x pulls 120W while stock intel pulls 241W
Paid advertisement by Intel not much to explain
@@testplmnb and?
Looking to upgrade soon for 3D modelling and rendering work, on one hand I want the better of the two, but on the other the optimization of software on this new tech might be an issue, especially since I am not planning on updating to Win11 anytime soon for the reasons you mentioned early in the video
I'll keep my 9900k for now, but its very interesting to follow the progress of Intel vs. AMD.
That's where I'm at too but my PC is acting strange.
Great video! I'm curious to see how these CPUs will perform with Intel GPUs on Windows 10 and 11. I think the number of variables that are going to be available soon, we may need to change the way we are making decisions about CPU and GPU combos.
Yeah they delivered a KO in power consumption
I am happy with my 3rd gen Ryzen so far, upgrading to intel and DDR5 would mean swapping out basically everything besides disks and the graphics card, that's about 1.5 to 2 grand at the moment at "market" price where i live.
The CPU performance being very much reliant upon the OS is also kind of a no no for me, i still remember the SNAFU when i had to boot into linux with a laptop with a discreet/integrated gpu mashup. Not fun.
Also, what i noticed from other reviews, is that 12th gen pulls almost double the power in comparison to "older" competitors?
2k seems pretty high where u from? Swapping out everything but GPU could probably be done under 1k. I'm from US
Send it.
Plus does Intel architecture support 4 gens of processors yet? Because AMD does
Built my new PC a few weeks ago. Went from a 2500k to an 83500 for years to a 3600x to now a 12700k. MASSIVE boost in gaming with my new 3080 Ti. Went from 60-70fps in battlefield with 50-60% GPU utilization to a locked 144fps with 90-95% GPU utilization. Alder Lake is a true next gen leap, and I hope AMD makes another leap so we can see the competition keep going.
I'm similar to you Jay. I follow wherever the performance goes. If I were looking at upgrading soon. I would probably wait to see what the next gen for AMD is at in terms of performance and then make my decision on what to get.
Similar, but more the bang for the buck lane here. Had lots of AMD+ATi combos in the past, but before going 5800x I had Intel+nVidia and that 1080 still is in my current setup. Well, about 15-20 years ago there was a trend to avoid TCPA which basically had you ending up on Team Red&Red for quite a while regardless.
Me too, but I lean towards Intel/nvidia, because every time a switch, stability becomes a problem. Hell, I run a i7 6700k for years without overclocking it. When I reboot my current system (Ryzen 5 3600), I have a 50/50 chance the system locks up during POST.
This is GREAT news, now maby i'll be able to buy a price-reduced high end ryzen cpu soon!
I had the same thought. I didn't even think about purchasing the new intel😂😂
So right! This can only be good as it should get AMD to drop there prices to something a bit more sensible...I did not expect AMD to charge so much but once success came they cashed in...Needed Intel to start competing!
HAHA HOW THE TURNS HAVE TABLED!
No plans on spending stupid money to try and upgrade to a new untested platform made of unobtainium. Not for AMD not for Intel. Especially not to watch it running at 20% usage with my GPU running at 100%.
@Duk3 for me, owning an x570 using a 3600, my next upgrade will be a 5600x.
If I could justify the price for a new mobo, cpu and ram, I would 100% go intel 12th gen.
I don't understand fanboys either
From reading the review at Tom's Hardware, it looks like the Handbrake issue is due to the x264 encoder getting a lower process priority (viewable in Task Manager). I've seen this happen with encoders so you can work on other tasks without locking up your system (a holdover from when we had lower core counts). If the priority is set to normal, you should see the expected performance
Small performance increase over processors already a year old for 2x the power consumption according to Gamerz Nexus review, I wouldn't call that a KO. I would call it a future proof win for consumers tho, cause now these two Companies have keep innovating to one up each other, which is a big win for us the customers, no matter what side you choose.
Unfair battle: We should we waiting on Zen4 LINEup vs Intel 12gen.
You can't even cool that thing with a Noctua NH-D15 so this CPU will not end up in gaming or non workstation PCs.
no body gives a rats ass about the TPW because if you are pushing these chips, you have the money... and the chances are, you are pushing a 2060 or a 30 series NVidia at least.
Intel also worked with windows 11, optimization, New DDR5, more consumption isn't a knockout
@@jkutnink87 I think a lot of people myself included would still prefer air cooling and when there is a 5950 that nearly uses half as much power and gets nearly the performance in heavy workload I would rather take that.
Considering that a 12900k system(CPU, DDR5, mb, cooler) costs more than a 5950x system, I'm not sure how relevant a comparison to a 5900x actually is.
It's relevant if you're trying to sneakily make Intel look better in your video
@@erikhendrickson59 So you're saying it's not better? Care to explain why?
Don't forget the massive power draw of the 12900k. It's uses 2x the power of a 5950x stock when going full tilt.
@@Elc22 And the temps, Amd have to much room to improve his actual gen. In some months AMD will destroy this Intel CPUs whitout effort.
@@Elc22 They use close to the same real world power
This is why I love this channel! It's a more balanced review by far.
I really don't want to upgrade to Windows 11. I don't want to sink huge money into a first Gen iteration of power+efficiency cores, DDR5 or Gen-5 PCI-e on a motherboard that I doubt I'd keep by the time graphics cards require that bandwidth.
It took freaking years for software, namely games, to use multiple cores back in the Core2Quad days and AMD really kicked that into overdrive in the last few years, which I'm grateful for, but it'll take a few iterations before we see how well developers manage tasks on different types of cores, especially when AMD is still using all-power cores in comparison.
Honestly it's about price. I've only had Intel all my life, but if I had to buy a new system now I'd rather go with the 5900X which will come down in price, their motherboard is cheaper and DDR4 RAM is significantly cheaper as well. Not to mention lower power draw if you're hitting all the cores.
Competition breeds innovation however, so I'm glad the 14nm to infinity and beyond era is over.
@jayztwocents: Regarding the anomalous Handbrake results, were you using the Balanced power profile by any chance? Windows 10 runs CPUs in autonomous mode, with a power-save hint of 33 by default. I have found that with certain tasks, this causes the CPU not to boost to its full turbo speed under certain (usually complicated) loads. This avoidant behavior typically increases when you overclock, and tends to be weird--like that 20 second figure you mentioned. The easiest way to identify if this was what caused that result would be to try the High Performance power profile, which while leaving the CPU in autonomous mode, reduces the power save hint to 0.
Windows 11 actually controls the CPU's power states itself. This autonomous mode setting (as well as the power save hint level) are actually changeable in both Windows 10 and 11 via registry tweaks. I have found that a value of 20 (instead of 33) seems to allow full turbo (and overclock) speeds under all loads, while also allowing the CPU to save power when idle or lightly loaded. Alternately, I have found that turning autonomous mode off in Windows 10 (thus letting it control the CPU just like Windows 11 does) results in better CPU power management under moderate loads (in auto, the CPU tends to bounce between minimum and maximum speeds a lot, whereas Windows tends to boost just enough for the light loads, using more steady, lower and far more efficient speeds).
Hey Jay!!!!!! When are you going to build a system inside one of those tires? You can use a car radiator and fan to cool the processor, and strap the grill on it too for looks! You could call it the VroomBox!
Finally the first video of new stuff 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🔥🔥🔥thanks jay
P core and E core could be an interesting design going forward, low power cores for all the small stuff. things like steam, icue, etc if the scheduler works right would be thrown at the E Cores.
8 cores are not needed for background tasks though.
Yea like MsBroslo said already, this isn't a new concept and the fact that the power usage is around 250Watts already is pretty bad. The Ryzen 5950x already performs better overall performance for 1/3 the wattage. I know people don't care enough about wattage but things are surely changing where power usage is getting more expensive and might actually change the usage of such computers. Also, this setup isn't really great for servers and multiprocessor systems where they require multiple cores at a solid power efficiency as multiple CPU's with 3x the wattage vs a system that performs similarly at 1/3 the wattage would be highly costly.
@@rudysal1429 more wattage means more power consumption that means more energy consumption, that directly affects the environment too. All those energy plants are mostly running on fossil fuels.
@@rudysal1429 you're right, it's mostly wasted power (ok, the heat can be used when it's cold outside).
On top, you'll need better cooling, which also consumes more power and makes the system (in many cases) also louder.
@@LMT069 i see u never updated windows before😂
The testing on windows 11 will show just how much a Windows has worked with Intel directly compared to AMD to make sure that their product runs seemlessly. This is likely to push push a cheaper price for windows to use Intel CPU's to help keep the majority of market share. Also all amd needs to do is lower their prices.
Um, if you haven't noticed Nvidia, AMD and Intel doesn't control the pricing... The stores do.... By the way, what did you expect Intel to do; launch like the 2xxx and 3xxx processors did a few years ago, without bio's even able to boot to desktop?
we need to find out what kind of magic fabric is that, used between the dye and heat spreader
Excellent overview Jay. Thanks :) Sounds like it could be ideal for things like Sim Racing where you often have a lot of background processes running to handle telemetry and peripherals. KEEN!
Ford doesnt make good hatchbacks like they used too, they really changed their Focus…
Hows Windows 11 for sim racing and all the software and peripherals we use?
@@moose17m84 this guyyyyyyy LMAO
@@OhItsThat Seems OK so far. I'm not running it on my main Sim PC but so far no problems on the test rig.
Yep good point. I run AMS2, Assetto Corsa, R3R etc currently on Windows 11 with a 10700K and no issues whatsoever... I wish there was more benchmarks for sim racing...Not upgrading for a while but at least we finally have some great competition. Impressed that an 8 core CPU can match a 16 core CPU...
"Intel just delivered a KO to Ryzen" Yeeah i don't think they did.
15% to 20% performance increase isn’t a knockout?
12600k just murdered AMD mainstream lineup. It's over. I still had to get the 12900k though cuz I'm a snob. That 12600k though. What happens to the 5800x now? Over 100$ more and worse in gaming? Good luck w that Lisa Su. LOL
Going with boxing references, they more knocked AMD on their back. AMD can definitely get back up and counter with their upcoming lineup, but honestly this is the best Intel has done in ages, so if I wanted to give an analogy for it, it'd be something like: AMD KO'd Intel last match, but upon rematching, Intel showed that they did some training.
Silly analogies aside, let's just hope the competition stays a competition this time.
@@blade141287 to a one year old generation without ddr5 etc.... yes it isn't a real knockout. It is more a "hey finally intel can do something"
@@TrxPsyche how does AMD handle the 12600k? To continue the boxing analogy, the 12600k is like if a prime Mike Tyson was fighting against guys in lower weight classes. Under 300$.. 12600k is the chip AMD has always dreamed of. Game Over. I had to get the 12900k this morning cuz that's me, but how does AMD respond to 12600? The 5800x looks silly now.
Question: I'm thinking to run a amd ryzen 7 5700g and I'm wondering which water cooler to use, if I can go with a artic liquid freezer 2 240, or I need a liquid freezer 2 360. That would change if I can go with a h510 case or I need a h710 one (around 65€ of difference)
It would be pretty nice to show the software versions as well
I know going purely on efficenty some ARM cpu would probably win, but i still i think one should at least point out the power draw of the systems.
OMG that intertwined AIO pipe, I so want to untangle it 😅
At this point for music production running programs such as Ableton live suite for example would you recommend the 5950x or 12900k? I am looking to purchase the ASUS proart for either cpu
Jay: reviewing new intel product
Me: intensely staring at the enormous tires in the background wondering when Jay is building a monster truck PC
I'm curious how Intel 12th Gen works with virtualization. I'm assuming you'd have to assign both types of cores, not just cores overall.
The big little design will cause all kinds of incompatibility problems with many legacy x86 programs. It's bullshit and not worth it for desktops. For low power ARM is the way to go.
great question that is being discussed over on the level1techs forums
which thread exactly?
@@Skyline_NTR I don't recall- Wendell also just talked about it in his L1Linux 12900k video - he basically said "It doesn't work very well yet" which is about the gist of any threads Ive seen on the topic.
Every VM would have to have code to detect hybrid architecture and block usage to certain cores, and so far that's not happening yet.
Honestly, if you're looking to do VM stuff, just stick to a traditional CPU, especially AMD or 11th Gen Intel.
"AMD's 3rd Gen Ryzen finally forces Intel to move forward" There... I fixed your headline.
3rd gen ryzen was 3xxx not 5xxxx
@@idontwalkslow I think they mean Zen3
ok amd frog zzzz
*"Intel may finally force AMD to drop their pricings..."
fixed your comment for you.
@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to hahahahahhahaahaaaaa...
if "fixing" to you means increasing... then yes :D
Jay, is there a concern with the voltage getting to high, even though the temps are staying cooler, and causing shorts across the substrate?
Yes the bill every month
whats with the three giant ass tires in the back lmao
Man if I didn't have to upgrade just about everything I'd be waiting in line for this! Always a catch no matter what!
Intel Rider..
No reason to hype this up, I wouldn't say this is some magic cpu. Not until amd releases thier next line on am5 ddr5 in a few months.
@@Ryan-re1rs Am5 and DDR5 for AMD is not until at least mid to late 2022. Soon however, we will get the 6000 series, no doubt it will match or pass Intels 12th gen.
@@Ryan-re1rs there is a reason to hype it up. The performance is excellent. Whenever amd puts out their new stuff if it's better then we can hype that then meteor lake will come out with a jump again and that will get hyped.... see how that works. Nothing but the best no matter the company. I have a shitload of motherboards laying around and most I've sold. I upgrade at every launch if it's better than the last no matter the company
YAY! I mean this video was very informative. Good Job Jay! :)
Eh, not really.. there was only productivity benchmarks. No gaming benchmark.
Planning to upgrade the system at about 3rd gen DDR5 supported CPU come out. Plenty of time to see the CPU speed race between the two. :)
Great video!
Right now, if AMD keep up with the great quality performance and prices, I have no intention to go back to Intel. I gave up Intel for now. I'm on a Ryzen 3700X and I am very happy with it. Last time I had an AMD was back in 1995 and they were awful in terms of heat but still was a great CPU. I also had Cyrix and IBM 6x86MX - Those were great at the time. Maybe I'll switch to a Ryzen 5950X, who knows?
15:51 what's the room temperature in there? unless the laws of physics have changed, it's impossible for the cpu to be colder than room temp especially while running.
sadly i am literally waiting to get a gpu before i start a build, this way i can get whatever is best at the time i can actually build an entire new rig.
Hopefully with Intel GPUs coming early? next year, there will be more availability there too
would like to see the tests as they are being done
Some of these new boards are compatible with DDR4 right? Would be an interesting test to see how much of a factor DDR5 is playing in that huge performance uplift.
finally this is the time we have been waiting for the real competition between two. Cant wait to see what AMD will bring in the near future and the further reply from intel as well!!
AMD will not be beaten. Mark my words
@@danhex never
@@danhex Don't be silly , intel have another 5 generations planned already and they are working on them. Alderlake is only the START of the socket 1700 series. Intel said that once and AMD beat them for around 4 years ,intel came back and thrashed AMD (core series onwards) and then AMD came back with Ryzen. Speaking as someone who was a UK OC champ 2006 (A-BIT) and 2nd place 2010 (Gigabyte), you are acting like an immature fan boy! If you knew the industry then the rule of thumb is that over a 5 year span (on average) one company tops another and then the cycle repeats. Now a REASONABLE attitude would be 'its good to see competition from Intel again and to REALLY make the market interesting is a third company to start producing chips. These amd-nvidia intel-amd wars are for silly people who are YOUNG in the industry.
@@danhex cope fanboy
nothing AMD has always been shit lmao
I'm confused, if you're doing an "AI OC" version of the 12900k, why are you not doing a memory OCed version of the 5900X? It's not hard to drop in a 3600 kit, and set the fclck to 1800.
Because he's not honest. Look when he says "80 degrees on a 360 AIO". He's barely able to keep composure. Then he goes on to say that Intel is not that "power hungry + hot" anymore. I'd like to see a power consumption chart between the two...
I am not saying the CPU isn't good, I am just saying that AMD has to not only deliver a good product but fight against the benchmark manipulations and fanboyism.
@@mikegleasonjr Its also on an open test bench, 80c on an open test bench on a 360 aio
@@mikegleasonjr GN had power consumption comparisons. Intel is pushing 244 watts while a stock 5950X is half that.
@@mikegleasonjr I don't think Jay is being malicious, but I do think this is an oversight that needs to be addressed since the only practical overclocking, on Zen, is through basic memory settings (and it's not a complex setting to do).
In part, I also believe whatever Zen 3 successor will see a good degree of a performance boost due to it's reliance on memory (and the natural boost on speed). Moving up to DDR5, especially with it's dual buffer pipeline approach, is going to be interesting.
Thats because anything more than 3200 would be considered an overclock for AMD cpu. He wasted to keep it as stock as possible. But I'm not really sure why he went with a 5200mhz even though Intel's website lists 4800 as supported frequency. Maybe because they were just hard to find.. idk
YES! We have competition going! I love this! \m/
Its great to see something kicking finally from team blue. My last blue was a 6800k. Still works great, still use. By the time I got bored and wanted to build another new computer, I ended up settling for 5950x. That build (at least for my own units, not clients), was the first time I built another AMD system, since socket 7 lol. Will never forget the first time I built with Bulldozer and the crazy power consumption. Competition is so wonderful, and needed. So happy to see the battlefield playing up again *^^*
That power draw and heat output gives me Netburst feelings
Who cares about power. I'd put 2000 watts to it if it would be faster
The world: "Intel - please stop capping peak power and nerfing performance in favor of segmenting your chip markets."
Pre Ryzen Intel: "No! We do what we want, not what you want. Profit rules baby!"
Post Ryzen Intel (may fails and discounted silcon later): "Hey, we have this new Hybrid architecture that can beat Ryzen. We say it's from new architecture but it's really because we secretly stopped nerfing our performance cores."
@@erickwalker11 helll noooo
@@erickwalker11 People who's bills are paid by them, not their parents
@@Rogu14 I pay all my bills I just happen to make a s%&t ton of moolah so I stick with highest performance at all cost at every release.
Great run through of the processor! I'm glad Intel is bringing back competition. Not sure if it's worth upgrading from my 9900ks though.
Hell I'm not upgrading from my 4790k
@@MrAsus3571 I got my son a 3770K and it still games pretty damn well!
I'm still rockin the 9900KS... I do 4K gaming specifically... 9900K is still able to push max FPS in any 4K GPU bound game. Not like any GPU is pushing much over 60fps in 4K as it is. I would stick with your 9900KS for the time being personally. Just my opinion though.
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 I don't think the 9900ks will be out dated for gaming anytime soon. I more want to update for video editing, rendering and Solidworks. Still probably not gonna upgrade just yet.
I wanna wait to see how AMD responds before upgrading anything
Why have other tests shown that the 12900K uses a buttload of power and requires a 360mm AIO minimum and Jay found out that it's actually lower than most other OCed Intel CPUs?
I was waiting for this generation, however, I have a few concerns or things I want to see tested: 4k gaming performance difference, cooler recommendations (LTT was saying they recommended a top end cooler), performance changes with Windows 10/11 updates, average overclocking capabilities, and the final verdict on AVX, as some motherboards enabled it even though Intel claimed to have disabled it.
The reason for 4k gaming is to see how meaningful an upgrade a 12900k is for a top-end machine. Otherwise, if we only consider 1080p, it’s simply illogical to recommend such an expensive part for those who do gaming-only.
Lastly, I would be very interested in real-world scenarios where it’s Windows 10 vs 11 with something like OBS, Twitch, Discord, and a game run at the same time to see if scheduling borks the background processes. We are in complex new territory with core stratification on Windows and the quality of the implementation will undoubtedly make a significant difference.
I already built my all red team rig earlier this year. So it'll be another 4-5 years before I'm going to pick another side. If all teams can hold the competitiveness at this pace, it'll be an insane leap the next time I need to build a new rig.
What build did you go with
@@juniorcompton9152 5900x with 6900xt
so AMD finally forced Intel to bring better performance!
Thanks AMD 👍 ... now bring out new gen Zen 😁
let intel have their brief win, 2022 will be the death of intel..once again
And AMD will have a brief death when intel comes up with something “better” so what’s your point
@@anonimatorweeb9238 intel took 7yrs
Smells like fanboys failing to understand that there needs to be competition since both AMD and intel need each other for that to happen so I’d be happy with either tbh
@@anonimatorweeb9238 lol 7 years is not brief....
15:30 damn 18C at idle and under 80C on cinebench? is the ambient temperature like 10C or something? I can't get mine to go under 35C at idle and it keeps hitting 97C on cinebench, kinda worried that I installed my cooler wrong.
Thanks as usual Jay, would be good to see all the test done on a Windows 11 build as this CPU is designed perfectly for it with the compiler. Just be good to see how this pans out for anyone who considers should i go over to Windows 11 is it a big benefit over Windows 10 for gaming etc :)
And my notification box is now filled with Alder Lake reviews!!!
this is only one ive gotten, actually thats not true, i didnt get this one either
Never stopped evereything else this fast to click on a YT push message
Originality right here
You and me both, had to drop everything at work… it’s funny because at the exact same time Linus also pushed out a video on the same subject.
Already have a nice AM4 setup. I'll wait for AM4 to be EOL and pick up a v cache Ryzen 9 when they go on clearance sales and hopefully not upgrade again until AM6.
I might be inclined to look at Intel again, but not for a few years yet. I want to see the evolution of this P cores and E core tech, and how well Windows handles it in the future.
Yeah, no amount of CPU improvement is gonna get me to pay the early adoption costs of windows 11.
The industry is fuelled by redesigning the same thing with very little extra performance - but marketed like it'll change your life.
Yet that 4790K from 8 years back still canes games.
Pop a 12900K in its place and unless you're gaming two big resolutions higher than back then - you won't even get any noticable improvement at all.
We just don't need upgrades anywhere near as often as we are constantly teased to indulge in them. Not even close. The performance upticks are entirely lies, benchmarking makes a laughing stock of either sides claims on launch days.
Like the others that rely on their PC - I won't be riding any more Microsoft roller coasters in life. Period.
I didn't learn the first time with Windows 95.
I didn't learn the second time with Windows 98.
But dang, Windows ME - I said never again am I ever going to early adopt a Microsoft OS.
Dodged the disaster days of 7,8 & 10. Skipped 8 altogether.
Adopted Win 7 years after it came out, didn't touch 10 until late '17/early18.
(Btw - I define early adoption as anytime within the first two years of the release date - because that's how long it takes for the horror stories to calm down - if they ever stop at all, like with Millenium Edition.)
I will stick to ddr4 for now. My 3900x runs fine as it is. My problem is changing to ddr 5 before it has time to work all the bugs out plus give it 6 months to a year and ddr5 will improve alot over what ddr5 is showing right now. Not counting For now I do not want to have to change to windows 11 till it has been out for a while. Sorry Microsoft I still remember Dos 4.0. Not counting windows 1 and 2. I think I may still have my windows 1 install disks.
Let's go!! So glad to see the competition return now it's time for AMD to hit back!
Jay, when you doing a overclock.. A record has just been set on the ddr5 @ over 7000mhz..
Actually there are already 8Ghz OC's on the 12900k. Shure on LN2 or Des Ice. But still impressive.
@@schreikohang362 Those aren't actually valid results at 8Ghz. Go look at der8auer's latest video. It's a bug in CPU-Z.
Great to see Intel finally back in shape but the title should have been: "1 gen newer Intel delivered a KO to 1 gen older Ryzen". Alder lake is supposed to compete with Zen 4.
Intel has only catches up with AMD. It has YET to beat AMD. It is considered beaten IF Intel can come up with a product that performs on par, or better than AMD's latest product released AFTER that of Intel's product.
@@triparadox.c Well, Intel's Rocket Lake came out after Zen 3 and was supposed to compete with current Ryzen but still completely failed. I can understand every benchmark compare them with Ryzen 5000 since last gen Intel were so bad but that only says how good Zen 3 was to compete on par with 2 generation from Intel.
Exactly what i'm thinking.
@@triparadox.c says who? the best product, either in price/performance, or performance alone is the winner. you sound like a amd fanboy but you should just choose the best product at the time you need a new build. a year ago i would build amd, today i would build intel. intel didnt just catch up with amd now, they beat them, and for a lower price!
@@FordSierraIS "you sound like a amd fanboy"
I've never owned a single AMD chipset in my entire life. Not my laptops, not my desktops. I've even had an intel powered smartphone (Asus Zenfone 2)
So Ur saying to wait a little with my 9700k->11700k upgrade? This would literally cost buttons right now.. but is gen12 worth waiting for instead of 11gen /keeping in mind the much higher price/?
Did you manage to test some older DRM games? I've seen something about incompatibility with this new generation due to the efficiency cores.
Is it really true that they won't run?
IO-tech tried to run some Denuvo games for their benchmarks and no matter what they did, couldn't get them to start up. That's kinda what is pushing me away from new Intel system.
@@dawnstah8216 same for me
It will be interesting to see how AMD responds with Zen 4. Nice to see real competition.
I think zen3d will take back gaming crown
Do they really though? I’d like to see a TDP normalized testing where the intels are matched with AMD’s TDP.
I always sit a couple of generations back until they get the bugs out of processors and their matching windows. Happy with my 8700k so not much point upgrading yet until prices drop.